From: shabd@my-dejanews.com Newsgroups: alt.meditation.shabda,alt.meditation,alt.consciousness.mysticism,alt.out-of-body Subject: Senny And Mysticism Date: Wed, 26 May 1999 15:12:19 GMT Organization: Deja.com - Share what you know. Learn what you don't. Lines: 85 Message-ID: <7ih30f$sj4$1@nnrp1.deja.com> Reply-To: shabd@hotmail.com (Michael Martin) NNTP-Posting-Host: 207.70.133.2 To: MysticShip@aol.com X-Article-Creation-Date: Wed May 26 15:12:19 1999 GMT X-Http-User-Agent: Mozilla/2.0 (compatible; MSIE 3.02; Windows 95) X-Http-Proxy: 1.0 x28.deja.com:80 (Squid/1.1.22) for client 207.70.133.2 Path: chonsp.franklin.ch!pfaff.ethz.ch!news-zh.switch.ch!news-ge.switch.ch!news.belnet.be!newsfeed.ecrc.net!news.maxwell.syr.edu!nntp2.dejanews.com!nnrp1.dejanews.com!not-for-mail Senny And Mysticism I was not able to post a reply to Senny's posting, so I have pasted the pertinent parts of it here. Somebody posted: Hey J you can take of the disguise your as transparent as a pane of glass!!   Read below and you might get the jist of the original most which (perhaps out of embrrassment) was deleted by our friend Michael the Mystic. Too contronting for the Mystic Mind. Michael Martin writes: I will now confront this, whatever it is.   Michael: Are you a Mystic Adept?     Senen: Have I gone through and transcended the mystical stage of Spiritual practise - yes after 3 years of that phase of practise I passed through it, hence the reason I no longer capitalise the letters. I don't give it any higher status. Michael Martin writes: A Mystic Adept is one who is an adept in all aspects of Mysticism. That means he is able to leave his body at will and be with the Supreme Being. Is this what you claim to be able to do? Michael Martin writes: It is not a stage to be passed through. It is the goal. There is nothing higher that it. A True Mystic Adept is really the Supreme Being in the flesh, so why not capitalize the letters? That is why I capitalize them.     Senen: However my repeated and continuous experiences of sponstaneous OOBE were    not  about hell or fear.   Micheal:  This sentence means absolutely nothing. Michael Martin writes: What I meant was, to be more specific, that just because you have not experienced hell or fear, does not mean they don't exist.   Senen: This is because it completely and radically contradicts your own point of view. Michael Martin writes: No, I can assure you, it doesn't contradict my point of view. Perhaps you have misunderstood what my point of view is? Consider it. Ponder it. Meditate on it, it *will* become clear. It is very clear. No Great Realisation is necessary in order to comprehend it! Michael Martin writes: It is about as clear as mud to me. When one achieves realiazation, he knows about everything, including hell.   Micheal:  Satan does not want people to know about hell.   Senen: When satan appears, is understood, and Transcended in the mystical stage of   meditation or Spiritual practise he is understood and Revealed to be the residue of  profoundly deep recesses of infantile mind forms. Michael Martin writes: So what? We are all infantile, compared to the Masters. The child, over eons of association with spiritual and religious theory, develops very deep notions of a character or archetype he or she refers to as God. Michael Martin writes: Satan has been placed by the Almighty, in charge of the three worlds, Physical, Astral, and Causal. It is not just a notion. It is a fact. It can be confirmed by going to those levels of consciousness. He or She likewise develops the antithesis of this archetype or mind-form and refers to this one as Satan or a version of that which is referred to as Satan. Michael Martin writes: Satan is more than just imagination, at least until we go beyond his reach. We are all spiritual children. There might be only a handful of people in the entire world, who know about Satan, in his Causal Form. When this is understood through Real Spiritual practise, then Satan is confronted in meditation. One no longer recoils in the presence of the one previously or unconsciously referred to as Satan. One stands in he position Consciousness. In that Fire of Brilliance all forms (gross, subtle and causal) disappear or dissolve in Consciousness Itself. One of those forms is the form of Satan and it's archtypes - Revealed only to be a modification or form of Light. Michael Martin writes: Well, I can agree with this, more or less. Why do you always post with such a condescending attitude? You seem to think that everybody should be a Saint. Why not deal with people as they are. Most of us are beginners in the field of spirituality and mysticism. It would take a lifetime of meditation to be at the level of Saints, at least for most of us. Michael Martin A Western Mystic --== Sent via Deja.com http://www.deja.com/ ==-- ---Share what you know. Learn what you don't.--- ###### Path: chonsp.franklin.ch!usenet From: Neil Franklin Newsgroups: alt.meditation.shabda,alt.meditation,alt.consciousness.mysticism,alt .out-of-body Subject: Re: Senny And Mysticism Date: 26 May 1999 22:38:10 +0200 Organization: My own Private Self Lines: 45 Sender: neil@chonsp.franklin.ch Message-ID: <6ubtf74le5.fsf@chonsp.franklin.ch> References: <7ih30f$sj4$1@nnrp1.deja.com> X-Newsreader: Gnus v5.3/Emacs 19.34 shabd@my-dejanews.com writes: > [yet another ream of badly written, self agrandising stuff snipped] > Michael Martin > A Western Mystic *PLONK* You have been killfied for starting about the 10th completely off-topic (for a.oob) crossposted thread (the second just for today). You have entered my killfile as member #3 There you will find: #1 Koos Nolst Trenite, scientology spammer (crossposts his ravigs into a.oob and over 10 others) #2 Arthur T. Murray, another excessive off topic crossposter (posts his favourite toy research project into an computer history group and 4 others) For their plonkings see: #1 http://neil.franklin.ch/Usenet/alt.out-of-body/19980506_Black_Magic_driving_you_away_from_Koos and: #2 http://neil.franklin.ch/Usenet/alt.folklore.computers/19990301_Step_001_of_DIY_AI_Choose_your_programming_language -- Neil Franklin, Nerd, Geek, Unix Guru, Hacker, Mystic neil@franklin.ch.remove http://neil.franklin.ch/ 20th century record companies fit the 21st century data highways as good as 19th century stagecoaches fit the 20th century freeways