From: dxsammy@aol.com (DXSammy) Newsgroups: alt.out-of-body Subject: Do you loser your body in an OBE? AHAHAHA!! Lines: 5 NNTP-Posting-Host: ladder07.news.aol.com X-Admin: news@aol.com Date: 23 May 1999 01:44:37 GMT Organization: AOL http://www.aol.com Message-ID: <19990522214437.01643.00004471@ng-cg1.aol.com> Path: chonsp.franklin.ch!pfaff.ethz.ch!news-zh.switch.ch!news-ge.switch.ch!news.maxwell.syr.edu!newsfeed.cwix.com!152.163.199.19!portc03.blue.aol.com!audrey01.news.aol.com!not-for-mail I sat and read the newsgroup. Then I thought fo something. What if all the people who claimed they had obes and nothing bad happened are spirits that stole the body from someone else. Think about it!! I mean, how do you know for sure that ocne you leave your body you safely return!!!! Anyways, I hope I get an OBE!! Maybe tonight? I think so! - Sammy ###### From: dxsammy@aol.com (DXSammy) Newsgroups: alt.out-of-body Subject: Re: Do you loser your body in an OBE? AHAHAHA!! Lines: 4 NNTP-Posting-Host: ladder07.news.aol.com X-Admin: news@aol.com Date: 23 May 1999 01:48:39 GMT Organization: AOL http://www.aol.com References: <19990522214437.01643.00004471@ng-cg1.aol.com> Message-ID: <19990522214839.01643.00004474@ng-cg1.aol.com> Path: chonsp.franklin.ch!pfaff.ethz.ch!news-zh.switch.ch!news-ge.switch.ch!news-fra1.dfn.de!bignews.mediaways.net!news-feed.inet.tele.dk!bofh.vszbr.cz!howland.erols.net!portc02.blue.aol.com!audrey01.news.aol.com!not-for-mail whoa major mistakes in my posts. Well its late in the night, so I hope you guys don't mind :) - Sammy ###### From: johnf@melbpc.org.au (John Fitzsimons) Newsgroups: alt.out-of-body Subject: Re: Do you loser your body in an OBE? AHAHAHA!! Date: Sun, 23 May 1999 23:44:47 GMT Organization: Melbourne PC User Group Inc, Australia Lines: 34 Message-ID: <+45IN+cVCA=97cgdx8skQS33z10@4ax.com> References: <19990522214437.01643.00004471@ng-cg1.aol.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: bilby8.melbpc.org.au Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Newsreader: Forte Agent 1.6/32.507 Path: chonsp.franklin.ch!pfaff.ethz.ch!news-zh.switch.ch!news-ge.switch.ch!news.maxwell.syr.edu!news.mel.connect.com.au!news2.melbpc.org.au!not-for-mail On 23 May 1999 01:44:37 GMT, dxsammy@aol.com (DXSammy) wrote: >I sat and read the newsgroup. Then I thought fo something. What if all the >people who claimed they had obes and nothing bad happened are spirits that >stole the body from someone else. A very interesting and perceptive comment. This is not so far off the mark as most people would assume. For example, someone who is obsessed/possessed will usually be very strongly against exorcism/spirit rescue. They don't want themselves to be removed ! Likewise spirits who want to get into people's bodies will encourage the occupants to get out. Also, sometimes incarnate people want people out for their own purposes. >Think about it!! I mean, how do you know for >sure that ocne you leave your body you safely return!!!! Generally by the way the person acts/talks etc. If there was a new occupant then the habits/mannerisms/style of speaking etc. will generally change. When people act as though they "aren't themselves" then this is sometimes totally correct. They aren't. Regards, John. **************************************************** ,-._|\ John Fitzsimons - Melbourne, Australia. / Oz \ johnf@melbpc.org.au, Fidonet 3:632/309 \_,--.x/ http://www.vicnet.net.au/~johnf/welcome.htm v http://www.alphalink.com.au/~johnf/ ###### From: "Doctor Irene Hickman" Newsgroups: alt.out-of-body Subject: Re: Do you loser your body in an OBE? AHAHAHA!! Date: Mon, 24 May 1999 21:42:39 -0500 Organization: Posted via RemarQ, http://www.remarQ.com - Discussions start here! Lines: 48 Message-ID: <7idjbs$cih$2@remarQ.com> References: <19990522214437.01643.00004471@ng-cg1.aol.com> <+45IN+cVCA=97cgdx8skQS33z10@4ax.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: 216.106.14.216 X-Trace: 927617212 WEOOKIYCSE D8D86AC usenet53.supernews.com X-Complaints-To: newsabuse@remarQ.com X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2314.1300 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2314.1300 Path: chonsp.franklin.ch!pfaff.ethz.ch!news-zh.switch.ch!newsfeed-zh.ip-plus.net!news.ip-plus.net!News.Amsterdam.UnisourceCS!uunet!ams.uu.net!news.tvd.be!remarQ-easT!remarQ73!supernews.com!remarQ.com!remarQ69!not-for-mail John.......You are right on that an empty body is an invitation to a spirit who might like to borrow it or even become a permanent resident. Fortunately techniques developed by Dr. Edith Fiore, Dr. Wm. Baldwin and myself can persuade the invading spirit to leave so the rightful owner of the body can have exclusive of it again. I would like to see postings of cases in which this happened. Doctor Irene Hickman, docirene@socket.net John Fitzsimons wrote in message news:+45IN+cVCA=97cgdx8skQS33z10@4ax.com... > On 23 May 1999 01:44:37 GMT, dxsammy@aol.com (DXSammy) wrote: > > >I sat and read the newsgroup. Then I thought fo something. What if all the > >people who claimed they had obes and nothing bad happened are spirits that > >stole the body from someone else. > > A very interesting and perceptive comment. This is not so far off the > mark as most people would assume. For example, someone who is > obsessed/possessed will usually be very strongly against > exorcism/spirit rescue. They don't want themselves to be > removed ! > > Likewise spirits who want to get into people's bodies will encourage > the occupants to get out. Also, sometimes incarnate people want people > > out for their own purposes. > > >Think about it!! I mean, how do you know for > >sure that ocne you leave your body you safely return!!!! > > Generally by the way the person acts/talks etc. If there was a new > occupant then the habits/mannerisms/style of speaking etc. will > generally change. When people act as though they "aren't themselves" > then this is sometimes totally correct. They aren't. > > Regards, John. > > **************************************************** > ,-._|\ John Fitzsimons - Melbourne, Australia. > / Oz \ johnf@melbpc.org.au, Fidonet 3:632/309 > \_,--.x/ http://www.vicnet.net.au/~johnf/welcome.htm > v http://www.alphalink.com.au/~johnf/ > > ###### From: johnf@melbpc.org.au (John Fitzsimons) Newsgroups: alt.out-of-body Subject: Re: Do you loser your body in an OBE? AHAHAHA!! Date: Wed, 26 May 1999 00:10:27 GMT Organization: Melbourne PC User Group Inc, Australia Lines: 38 Message-ID: References: <19990522214437.01643.00004471@ng-cg1.aol.com> <+45IN+cVCA=97cgdx8skQS33z10@4ax.com> <7idjbs$cih$2@remarQ.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: bilby10.melbpc.org.au Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Newsreader: Forte Agent 1.6/32.507 Path: chonsp.franklin.ch!pfaff.ethz.ch!news-zh.switch.ch!news-ge.switch.ch!news.belnet.be!news-spur1.maxwell.syr.edu!news.maxwell.syr.edu!intgwpad.nntp.telstra.net!nsw.nntp.telstra.net!news.syd.connect.com.au!news.mel.connect.com.au!news2.melbpc.org.au!not-for-mail On Mon, 24 May 1999 21:42:39 -0500, "Doctor Irene Hickman" wrote: >John.......You are right on that an empty body is an invitation to a spirit >who might like to borrow it or even become a permanent resident. >Fortunately techniques developed by Dr. Edith Fiore, Dr. Wm. Baldwin and And many thousands of others. >myself can persuade the invading spirit to leave so the rightful owner of >the body can have exclusive of it again. I would like to see postings of >cases in which this happened. Doctor Irene Hickman, docirene@socket.net The fact that entities possessing someone's physical body can be cleared is of little comfort to many people. They don't want to have the experience of possession in the first place ! Even if one assumes that there is a competent exorcist/spirit rescuer around one still needs to find that person AND get the affected person's body there. Most possessors are smart enough to make sure they don't get near anyone who can remove them from the body permanently. It is of course much easier where it is just a case of occasional possession. If the person whose body is taken over by someone else recognises what is happening then they can do something about it. Many obsessed/possessed people do not know what is going on and/or how to deal with it however. Regards, John. **************************************************** ,-._|\ John Fitzsimons - Melbourne, Australia. / Oz \ johnf@melbpc.org.au, Fidonet 3:632/309 \_,--.x/ http://www.vicnet.net.au/~johnf/welcome.htm v http://www.alphalink.com.au/~johnf/ ###### From: qwazz Newsgroups: alt.out-of-body Subject: Re: Do you loser your body in an OBE? AHAHAHA!! Date: Wed, 26 May 1999 16:03:38 GMT Organization: Deja.com - Share what you know. Learn what you don't. Lines: 22 Message-ID: <7ih60o$uv1$1@nnrp1.deja.com> References: <19990522214437.01643.00004471@ng-cg1.aol.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: 151.198.141.104 X-Article-Creation-Date: Wed May 26 16:03:38 1999 GMT X-Http-User-Agent: Mozilla/4.0 (compatible; MSIE 5.0; Windows 95; DigExt) X-Http-Proxy: 1.1 x29.deja.com:80 (Squid/1.1.22) for client 151.198.141.104 Path: chonsp.franklin.ch!pfaff.ethz.ch!news-zh.switch.ch!news-ge.switch.ch!newscore.univie.ac.at!news-spur1.maxwell.syr.edu!news.maxwell.syr.edu!hub1.ispnews.com!nntp-out.monmouth.com!newspeer.monmouth.com!nntp2.dejanews.com!nnrp1.dejanews.com!not-for-mail In article <19990522214437.01643.00004471@ng-cg1.aol.com>, dxsammy@aol.com (DXSammy) wrote: > stole the body from someone else. Think about it!! I mean, how do you know for > sure that ocne you leave your body you safely return!!!! Anyways, I hope I get > an OBE!! Maybe tonight? My physical body fits me like a custom-made glove, with even the fingerprint patterns sliding into place. No spirit entity has access to it. Even if they want access to it, they must gain access through the silver cord that connects my physical and non-physical bodies. Sorry, no tee-connections on this cord. -- ---qwazz ICQ: UIN #5830316 http://www.geocities.com/Area51/Comet/8463 --== Sent via Deja.com http://www.deja.com/ ==-- ---Share what you know. Learn what you don't.--- ###### From: dromero@roanoke.infi.net (Douglas J. Romero, MD) Newsgroups: alt.out-of-body Subject: Do you loser your body in an OBE? AHAHAHA!! Date: 26 May 1999 18:43:20 GMT Organization: InfiNet Lines: 61 Message-ID: <7ihfc8$s07$4@nw001t.infi.net> References: <7idjbs$cih$2@remarQ.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: pm4-200.roanoke.infi.net X-Newsreader: Ink Spot 1.18 for Newton Path: chonsp.franklin.ch!pfaff.ethz.ch!news-zh.switch.ch!news-ge.switch.ch!news.maxwell.syr.edu!newsfeed.cwix.com!208.131.160.208!news.infi.net!not-for-mail In message <7idjbs$cih$2@remarQ.com>, "Doctor Irene Hickman" wrote: > > John.......You are right on that an empty body is an invitation to a spirit > who might like to borrow it or even become a permanent resident. > Fortunately techniques developed by Dr. Edith Fiore, Dr. Wm. Baldwin and > myself can persuade the invading spirit to leave so the rightful owner of > the body can have exclusive of it again. I would like to see postings of > cases in which this happened. Doctor Irene Hickman, docirene@socket.net > > > John Fitzsimons wrote in message > news:+45IN+cVCA=97cgdx8skQS33z10@4ax.com... > > On 23 May 1999 01:44:37 GMT, dxsammy@aol.com (DXSammy) wrote: > > > > >I sat and read the newsgroup. Then I thought fo something. What if all > the > > >people who claimed they had obes and nothing bad happened are spirits > that > > >stole the body from someone else. > > > > A very interesting and perceptive comment. This is not so far off the > > mark as most people would assume. For example, someone who is > > obsessed/possessed will usually be very strongly against > > exorcism/spirit rescue. They don't want themselves to be > > removed ! > > > > Likewise spirits who want to get into people's bodies will encourage > > the occupants to get out. Also, sometimes incarnate people want people > > > > out for their own purposes. > > > > >Think about it!! I mean, how do you know for > > >sure that ocne you leave your body you safely return!!!! > > > > Generally by the way the person acts/talks etc. If there was a new > > occupant then the habits/mannerisms/style of speaking etc. will > > generally change. When people act as though they "aren't themselves" > > then this is sometimes totally correct. They aren't. > > > > Regards, John. > > > > **************************************************** > > ,-._|\ John Fitzsimons - Melbourne, Australia. > > / Oz \ johnf@melbpc.org.au, Fidonet 3:632/309 > > \_,--.x/ http://www.vicnet.net.au/~johnf/welcome.htm > > v http://www.alphalink.com.au/~johnf/ > > > > > > I would REALLY like to see any Case reports you could provide in this matter Dr. Your claims are rather outlandish. -- Douglas J. Romero, MD University of Virginia Salem-Roanoke Psychiatry Program ###### From: dromero@roanoke.infi.net (Douglas J. Romero, MD) Newsgroups: alt.out-of-body Subject: Do you loser your body in an OBE? AHAHAHA!! Date: 26 May 1999 18:43:25 GMT Organization: InfiNet Lines: 56 Message-ID: <7ihfcd$s07$5@nw001t.infi.net> References: NNTP-Posting-Host: pm4-200.roanoke.infi.net X-Newsreader: Ink Spot 1.18 for Newton Path: chonsp.franklin.ch!pfaff.ethz.ch!news-zh.switch.ch!news-ge.switch.ch!news.maxwell.syr.edu!hermes.visi.com!news-out.visi.com!newsxfer.visi.net!news.infi.net!not-for-mail In message , johnf@melbpc.org.au (John Fitzsimons) wrote: > > On Mon, 24 May 1999 21:42:39 -0500, "Doctor Irene Hickman" > wrote: > > >John.......You are right on that an empty body is an invitation to a spirit > >who might like to borrow it or even become a permanent resident. > >Fortunately techniques developed by Dr. Edith Fiore, Dr. Wm. Baldwin and > > And many thousands of others. > > >myself can persuade the invading spirit to leave so the rightful owner of > >the body can have exclusive of it again. I would like to see postings of > >cases in which this happened. Doctor Irene Hickman, docirene@socket.net > > The fact that entities possessing someone's physical body can be > cleared is of little comfort to many people. They don't want to have > the experience of possession in the first place ! > > Even if one assumes that there is a competent exorcist/spirit rescuer > around one still needs to find that person AND get the affected > person's body there. Most possessors are smart enough to make sure > they don't get near anyone who can remove them from the body > permanently. > > It is of course much easier where it is just a case of occasional > possession. If the person whose body is taken over by someone else > recognises what is happening then they can do something about it. Many > obsessed/possessed people do not know what is going on and/or how > to deal with it however. > > Regards, John. > > **************************************************** > ,-._|\ John Fitzsimons - Melbourne, Australia. > / Oz \ johnf@melbpc.org.au, Fidonet 3:632/309 > \_,--.x/ http://www.vicnet.net.au/~johnf/welcome.htm > v http://www.alphalink.com.au/~johnf/ > > Hey John, We have had this sort of discussion before but I was wondering if you could be so kind as to compile a list of signs and symptoms a practitioner could use to recognize a possesion case. The last time we discussed the subject you mentioned stuff like sensing the aura. I can't do that. How do I know whon to suspect possesion in a patient in the absence of metaphysical tools? -- Douglas J. Romero, MD University of Virginia Salem-Roanoke Psychiatry Program ###### From: johnf@melbpc.org.au (John Fitzsimons) Newsgroups: alt.out-of-body Subject: Re: Do you loser your body in an OBE? AHAHAHA!! Date: Thu, 27 May 1999 00:25:54 GMT Organization: Melbourne PC User Group Inc, Australia Lines: 77 Message-ID: References: <7ihfcd$s07$5@nw001t.infi.net> NNTP-Posting-Host: bilby17.melbpc.org.au Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Newsreader: Forte Agent 1.6/32.507 Path: chonsp.franklin.ch!pfaff.ethz.ch!news-zh.switch.ch!news-ge.switch.ch!news.maxwell.syr.edu!news.mel.connect.com.au!news2.melbpc.org.au!not-for-mail On 26 May 1999 18:43:25 GMT, dromero@roanoke.infi.net (Douglas J. Romero, MD) wrote: < snip > Hey Douglas, >We have had this sort of discussion before but I was wondering if you could >be so kind as to compile a list of signs and symptoms a practitioner could >use to recognize a possesion case. Keep in mind that most people with these problems would be more likely to be seeing a psychologist than a G.P. >The last time we discussed the subject >you mentioned stuff like sensing the aura. I can't do that. You can, it is more a case of whether you wish to develop this facility. Most men don't want to develop their sensitivity (what some people might call their "feminine" aspects). >How do I know >whon to suspect possesion in a patient in the absence of metaphysical tools? Good question, but a very difficult one to answer unless you use psychic sensing. The problem is that things that might suggest obsession/possession may also suggest something else. (Though I suppose one could say that about many different "diagnosis") In any case it would be wise to make sure that a number of the following situations were present before jumping to conclusions. This is only a quick/short list to help answer your question. It kind of makes me wonder why anyone who isn't overtly psychic would want to know if a person is obsessed/possessed. To help the patient properly one is best psychic themselves, and using psychic means to resolve the situation. In any case the following are some of the (physical) situations one may see in this sort of a patient : (1) Acting/talking/thinking "out of character". (2) Memory gaps/blackouts - where one has said/done things recently where one would have reasonably expected them to remember it (eg. an hour ago). (3) Severe energy depletion, even with a "normal" diet. (4) Coldness around the person that cannot be accounted for normally eg. on a hot day. (5) Increasing confusion, and inability to concentrate, or more difficulty dealing with "real world issues" than one might expect. (6) Likely to be very extreme in emotions/actions. (7) If angry, attaining a very quick/great increase in strength, (eg. a small child putting his fist through a wall). (8) Abnormal sleep patterns eg. increased inability to sleep/relax and/or increased nightmares and/or more "lucid" negative dreams/visions. To further complicate matters it should be remembered that because one is obsessed/possessed between 10 A.M and 11. A.M. it does not follow that the same person will be obsessed/possessed between 2 P.M. and 3 P.M. Obsession/possession tends to be irregular. People with constant obsession/possession situations are generally living in psychiatric establishments. Regards, John. **************************************************** ,-._|\ John Fitzsimons - Melbourne, Australia. / Oz \ johnf@melbpc.org.au, Fidonet 3:632/309 \_,--.x/ http://www.vicnet.net.au/~johnf/welcome.htm v http://www.alphalink.com.au/~johnf/ ###### From: johnf@melbpc.org.au (John Fitzsimons) Newsgroups: alt.out-of-body Subject: Re: Do you loser your body in an OBE? AHAHAHA!! Date: Thu, 27 May 1999 00:25:55 GMT Organization: Melbourne PC User Group Inc, Australia Lines: 28 Message-ID: References: <19990522214437.01643.00004471@ng-cg1.aol.com> <7ih60o$uv1$1@nnrp1.deja.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: bilby17.melbpc.org.au Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Newsreader: Forte Agent 1.6/32.507 Path: chonsp.franklin.ch!pfaff.ethz.ch!news-zh.switch.ch!news-ge.switch.ch!news.maxwell.syr.edu!news.mel.connect.com.au!news2.melbpc.org.au!not-for-mail On Wed, 26 May 1999 16:03:38 GMT, qwazz wrote: < snip > >My physical body fits me like a custom-made glove, with even the >fingerprint patterns sliding into place. No spirit entity has access to >it. Even if they want access to it, they must gain access through the >silver cord that connects my physical and non-physical bodies. < snip > That is not the case. A spirit does not gain entry to a physical body via the silver cord. The silver cord only designates you as the rightful owner of the physical form (like a car registration sticker). Under certain circumstances an "unauthorised" person may drive "your" motor vehicle. Under certain circumstances an "unauthorised" person may partly/fully control "your" physical form. Regards, John. **************************************************** ,-._|\ John Fitzsimons - Melbourne, Australia. / Oz \ johnf@melbpc.org.au, Fidonet 3:632/309 \_,--.x/ http://www.vicnet.net.au/~johnf/welcome.htm v http://www.alphalink.com.au/~johnf/ ###### From: qwazz Newsgroups: alt.out-of-body Subject: Re: Do you loser your body in an OBE? AHAHAHA!! Date: Fri, 28 May 1999 21:32:40 GMT Organization: Deja.com - Share what you know. Learn what you don't. Lines: 25 Message-ID: <7in21p$702$1@nnrp1.deja.com> References: <19990522214437.01643.00004471@ng-cg1.aol.com> <7ih60o$uv1$1@nnrp1.deja.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: 151.198.130.108 X-Article-Creation-Date: Fri May 28 21:32:40 1999 GMT X-Http-User-Agent: Mozilla/4.0 (compatible; MSIE 5.0; Windows 95; DigExt) X-Http-Proxy: 1.1 x24.deja.com:80 (Squid/1.1.22) for client 151.198.130.108 Path: chonsp.franklin.ch!pfaff.ethz.ch!news-zh.switch.ch!news-ge.switch.ch!news.maxwell.syr.edu!nntp2.dejanews.com!nnrp1.dejanews.com!not-for-mail > Under certain circumstances an "unauthorised" person may drive "your" > motor vehicle. Under certain circumstances an "unauthorised" person > may partly/fully control "your" physical form. > I just don't see how this is possible. If it has happened to you, let's hear about it. It hasn't happened to me yet, and I play very wreckless. The physical body is the lowest vibratory projection of your consciousness. If what you say is true, what's to prevent an entity from borrowing one of your higher vibratory bodies? If an astral entity tried to enter your physical body, it would just pass through it, like any solid matter. I don't know where you get your information from; maybe you read some bunk somewhere :Þ > -- ---qwazz ICQ: UIN #5830316 Page me: http://wwp.mirabilis.com/5830316 http://www.geocities.com/Area51/Comet/8463 Sent via Deja.com http://www.deja.com/ Share what you know. Learn what you don't. ###### From: johnf@melbpc.org.au (John Fitzsimons) Newsgroups: alt.out-of-body Subject: Re: Do you loser your body in an OBE? AHAHAHA!! Date: Sat, 29 May 1999 00:22:29 GMT Organization: Melbourne PC User Group Inc, Australia Lines: 52 Message-ID: References: <19990522214437.01643.00004471@ng-cg1.aol.com> <7ih60o$uv1$1@nnrp1.deja.com> <7in21p$702$1@nnrp1.deja.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: bilby6.melbpc.org.au Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Newsreader: Forte Agent 1.6/32.507 Path: chonsp.franklin.ch!pfaff.ethz.ch!news-zh.switch.ch!news-ge.switch.ch!isdnet!netnews.com!newspeer1.nac.net!news.maxwell.syr.edu!news.mel.connect.com.au!news2.melbpc.org.au!not-for-mail On Fri, 28 May 1999 21:32:40 GMT, qwazz wrote: >> Under certain circumstances an "unauthorised" person may drive "your" >> motor vehicle. Under certain circumstances an "unauthorised" person >> may partly/fully control "your" physical form. >I just don't see how this is possible. You don't need to "see" (understand ?) something for it to happen. >If it has happened to you, let's hear about it. As a trance medium of course I have been possessed. So have my students. As well as their students. Nothing big deal about people being possessed. The question is whether the person has given the possessing entity permission and whether the incoming entity is a positive, or negative, one. >It hasn't happened to me yet, and I play very wreckless. >The physical body is the lowest vibratory projection of your >consciousness. If what you say is true, what's to prevent an entity >from borrowing one of your higher vibratory bodies? The higher bodies, being of a higher vibration, are harder for negative entities to approach. The physical is much easier. In any case the higher bodies are not "containers" in the way that the physical is. > If an astral entity >tried to enter your physical body, it would just pass through it, like >any solid matter. Your own astral body can manipulate your physical body. So can other astral bodies. >I don't know where you get your information from; >maybe you read some bunk somewhere :Þ A few decades of working in the field of mediumship helps. How many decades have you been studying mediumship, psychiatry, alternative therapies etc. ? Regards, John. **************************************************** ,-._|\ John Fitzsimons - Melbourne, Australia. / Oz \ johnf@melbpc.org.au, Fidonet 3:632/309 \_,--.x/ http://www.vicnet.net.au/~johnf/welcome.htm v http://www.alphalink.com.au/~johnf/ ###### From: JAG Newsgroups: alt.out-of-body Subject: Re: Do you loser your body in an OBE? AHAHAHA!! Date: Tue, 01 Jun 1999 12:54:05 -0600 Organization: ITESM Campus Monterrey . DINF-DTCI Lines: 26 Message-ID: <37542C4D.FF996B69@hotmail.com> References: <19990522214437.01643.00004471@ng-cg1.aol.com> <7ih60o$uv1$1@nnrp1.deja.com> <7in21p$702$1@nnrp1.deja.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: ppp1-31.intercable.net Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Trace: news.mty.itesm.mx 928259816 19597 GPX4 207.248.36.31 X-Complaints-To: news@news.mty.itesm.mx X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.51 [en] (Win98; I) X-Accept-Language: en Path: chonsp.franklin.ch!pfaff.ethz.ch!news-zh.switch.ch!news-ge.switch.ch!news.maxwell.syr.edu!cs.utexas.edu!news.uh.edu!news.mty.itesm.mx!not-for-mail John Fitzsimons wrote: > On Fri, 28 May 1999 21:32:40 GMT, qwazz wrote: > As a trance medium of course I have been possessed. So have my > students. As well as their students. Nothing big deal about people > being possessed. The question is whether the person has given the > possessing entity permission and whether the incoming entity is a > positive, or negative, one. > But why will you give permission to enter if we have all kinds of mediums to comunicate. All the answares are out there and within you... No need for an invitation of a scare soul that dont want to materialize or dont have that kind of energy... > Your own astral body can manipulate your physical body. So can other > astral bodies. So We are Hople less... I dont think so... We are stronger because we are working... JAG ###### From: johnf@melbpc.org.au (John Fitzsimons) Newsgroups: alt.out-of-body Subject: Re: Do you loser your body in an OBE? AHAHAHA!! Date: Tue, 01 Jun 1999 23:30:23 GMT Organization: Melbourne PC User Group Inc, Australia Lines: 58 Message-ID: References: <19990522214437.01643.00004471@ng-cg1.aol.com> <7ih60o$uv1$1@nnrp1.deja.com> <7in21p$702$1@nnrp1.deja.com> <37542C4D.FF996B69@hotmail.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: bilby25.melbpc.org.au Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Newsreader: Forte Agent 1.6/32.507 Path: chonsp.franklin.ch!pfaff.ethz.ch!news-zh.switch.ch!news-ge.switch.ch!news.maxwell.syr.edu!news.mel.connect.com.au!news2.melbpc.org.au!not-for-mail On Tue, 01 Jun 1999 12:54:05 -0600, JAG wrote: >John Fitzsimons wrote: >> On Fri, 28 May 1999 21:32:40 GMT, qwazz wrote: >> As a trance medium of course I have been possessed. So have my >> students. As well as their students. Nothing big deal about people >> being possessed. The question is whether the person has given the >> possessing entity permission and whether the incoming entity is a >> positive, or negative, one. >But why will you give permission to enter if we have all kinds of mediums to >comunicate. All the answares are out there and within you... No need for an >invitation of a scare soul that dont want to materialize or dont have that >kind of energy... There are a number of reasons why a person may go into a trance situation. I will just give two of them here. One can give their guides of the light the opportunity to talk to physical people. This gives those people the opportunity to question them and get a better understanding of esoteric matters. The second reason is that it is much easier to do a spirit rescue of a person if they (temporarily) have the use of a physical body again. One can do a lot of this OOB but some cases can be difficult. One has the latter people "in" to better help them. Not so that they can help us. Though that may be what happens in some cases. Clear someone confused from your aura/surroundings and you should become less confused yourself. >> Your own astral body can manipulate your physical body. So can other >> astral bodies. >So We are Hople less... I dont think so... We are stronger because we are >working... We are "vulnerable" to physical people. We are "vulnerable" to non physical people. If that were not the case then people could not be tricked/lied to etc. We can however choose to do something to counter these vulnerabilities however. If we were not "vulnerable" to other people's negative actions then we wouldn't need a police force. We have such physical people to help protect us, and the same goes non physically. We can call on protectors there as well. Regards, John. **************************************************** ,-._|\ John Fitzsimons - Melbourne, Australia. / Oz \ johnf@melbpc.org.au, Fidonet 3:632/309 \_,--.x/ http://www.vicnet.net.au/~johnf/welcome.htm v http://www.alphalink.com.au/~johnf/ ###### From: JAG Newsgroups: alt.out-of-body Subject: Re: Do you loser your body in an OBE? AHAHAHA!! Date: Wed, 02 Jun 1999 00:23:17 -0600 Organization: ITESM Campus Monterrey . DINF-DTCI Lines: 66 Message-ID: <3754CDD5.67635327@hotmail.com> References: <19990522214437.01643.00004471@ng-cg1.aol.com> <7ih60o$uv1$1@nnrp1.deja.com> <7in21p$702$1@nnrp1.deja.com> <37542C4D.FF996B69@hotmail.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: ppp1-40.intercable.net Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Trace: news.mty.itesm.mx 928301173 26655 GPX4 207.248.36.40 X-Complaints-To: news@news.mty.itesm.mx X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.51 [en] (Win98; I) X-Accept-Language: en Path: chonsp.franklin.ch!pfaff.ethz.ch!news-zh.switch.ch!news-ge.switch.ch!news.maxwell.syr.edu!cs.utexas.edu!news.uh.edu!news.mty.itesm.mx!not-for-mail John Fitzsimons wrote: > On Tue, 01 Jun 1999 12:54:05 -0600, JAG wrote: > > >John Fitzsimons wrote: > > >> On Fri, 28 May 1999 21:32:40 GMT, qwazz wrote: > > >> As a trance medium of course I have been possessed. So have my > >> students. As well as their students. Nothing big deal about people > >> being possessed. The question is whether the person has given the > >> possessing entity permission and whether the incoming entity is a > >> positive, or negative, one. > > >But why will you give permission to enter if we have all kinds of mediums to > >comunicate. All the answares are out there and within you... No need for an > >invitation of a scare soul that dont want to materialize or dont have that > >kind of energy... > > There are a number of reasons why a person may go into a trance > situation. I will just give two of them here. One can give their > guides of the light the opportunity to talk to physical people. This > gives those people the opportunity to question them and get a better > understanding of esoteric matters. But If we can OOBE then I better Try That Form of comunication... > > The second reason is that it is much easier to do a spirit rescue of a > person if they (temporarily) have the use of a physical body again. > One can do a lot of this OOB but some cases can be difficult. Rescue that mean posession... not Rescue? > > One has the latter people "in" to better help them. Not so that they > can help us. Though that may be what happens in some cases. Clear > someone confused from your aura/surroundings and you should become > less confused yourself. Well I am to Paranoid I better Do That thing by myself... > > >> Your own astral body can manipulate your physical body. So can other > >> astral bodies. > > >So We are Hople less... I dont think so... We are stronger because we are > >working... > > We are "vulnerable" to physical people. We are "vulnerable" to non > physical people. If that were not the case then people could not be > tricked/lied to etc. We can however choose to do something to counter > these vulnerabilities however. > > If we were not "vulnerable" to other people's negative actions then we > wouldn't need a police force. We have such physical people to help > protect us, and the same goes non physically. We can call on > protectors there as well. Not vulnerable but Manipuleted... JAG ###### From: johnf@melbpc.org.au (John Fitzsimons) Newsgroups: alt.out-of-body Subject: Re: Do you loser your body in an OBE? AHAHAHA!! Date: Thu, 03 Jun 1999 01:04:28 GMT Organization: Melbourne PC User Group Inc, Australia Message-ID: <18pVNxUJ5A+iHz8U1dtWQmSqIP8@4ax.com> References: <19990522214437.01643.00004471@ng-cg1.aol.com> <7ih60o$uv1$1@nnrp1.deja.com> <7in21p$702$1@nnrp1.deja.com> <37542C4D.FF996B69@hotmail.com> <3754CDD5.67635327@hotmail.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: bilby21.melbpc.org.au Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Newsreader: Forte Agent 1.6/32.507 Lines: 58 Path: chonsp.franklin.ch!pfaff.ethz.ch!news-zh.switch.ch!news-ge.switch.ch!news.maxwell.syr.edu!dispose.news.demon.net!demon!tank.news.pipex.net!pipex!uunet!ams.uu.net!ffx.uu.net!news.mel.aone.net.au!newsfeed-in.aone.net.au!news.netspace.net.au!news2.melbpc.org.au!not-for-mail On Wed, 02 Jun 1999 00:23:17 -0600, JAG wrote: >John Fitzsimons wrote: < snip > >> There are a number of reasons why a person may go into a trance >> situation. I will just give two of them here. One can give their >> guides of the light the opportunity to talk to physical people. This >> gives those people the opportunity to question them and get a better >> understanding of esoteric matters. >But If we can OOBE then I better Try That Form of comunication... If you want to. However, suppose you are the only person in a group of twelve who can OOB. With trance all twelve are helped. With OOB only one is. Even if that one tells the others things that they learnt it is still not the same as talking directly to a spirit guide physically. >> The second reason is that it is much easier to do a spirit rescue of a >> person if they (temporarily) have the use of a physical body again. >> One can do a lot of this OOB but some cases can be difficult. >Rescue that mean posession... not Rescue? I said rescue because I meant rescue. Someone who is dead and needs to move onto the spirit planes is not necessarily possessing anyone. Doing that however, in a controlled way, (i.e. using a medium) will make this exercise much easier however. >> One has the latter people "in" to better help them. Not so that they >> can help us. Though that may be what happens in some cases. Clear >> someone confused from your aura/surroundings and you should become >> less confused yourself. >Well I am to Paranoid I better Do That thing by myself... < snip > Did you mean "not" do.....? Go into "trance" ? Certainly. Don't do that by yourself. If you want to help earthbound people you CAN do that yourself however. Simply suggesting to a person that they may be "physically" dead, and/or that they may consider praying for assistance, will often help. Working with one's spirit guides however can make this sort of thing more effective/simpler. Regards, John. **************************************************** ,-._|\ John Fitzsimons - Melbourne, Australia. / Oz \ johnf@melbpc.org.au, Fidonet 3:632/309 \_,--.x/ http://www.vicnet.net.au/~johnf/welcome.htm v http://www.alphalink.com.au/~johnf/