From: hawksmoor@dial.pipex.com (Julia Hawkes-Moore) Newsgroups: alt.out-of-body Subject: Two happier deaths. Date: Thu, 18 Mar 1999 01:09:54 GMT Organization: UUNET WorldCom server (post doesn't reflect views of UUNET WorldCom) Lines: 81 Message-ID: <36f047c8.629275@news.dial.pipex.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: aa180.du.pipex.com X-Newsreader: Forte Free Agent 1.1/16.230 Path: chonsp.franklin.ch!pfaff.ethz.ch!news-zh.switch.ch!newsfeed-zh.ip-plus.net!news.ip-plus.net!News.Amsterdam.UnisourceCS!masternews.telia.net!news-feed.inet.tele.dk!bofh.vszbr.cz!news-lond.gip.net!news.gsl.net!gip.net!rill.news.pipex.net!pipex!bore.news.pipex.net!pipex!not-for-mail ...and just for curiosity's sake, I then did another past life regression asking for a previous life which was a happy one, and in which another member of the newsgroup appeared. I got Laura (Happy2ceu)! We were women of a similar age living in, of all the lovely places to live, Bali. This was around the mid nineteenth century. We were daughters of respectable farming families, living only about ten miles apart, in inland villages at the foothills of mountains (or dormant volcanoes, not sure which). We married young, produced several children each - all daughters! They married young and produced several daughters again! Only our great-grandchildren included sons. This made me laugh, as Laura and I were wondering recently why we both always imagined ourselves having daughters but were astonished to instead have two sons apiece! One of the principal duties of Balinese women was to arrange gifts of decorated baskets of flowers and fruit to carry on our heads to the local temples for holy days. The preparation of these gifts was a very special process, which we were taught early on, and we taught to our daughters as their fingers grew nimble enough to manipulate the complex traditional patterns. There was some competitiveness and much showing-off as we walked in procession, wearing our brightest clothes down sandy paths to the brightly-painted temples. Laura and I did not meet often, but on special feast days, several times a year, we visited the same temple, the one of the God of war, plague and renewal. This God was rarely honoured, as he was rather less relevant to the fruitful and peaceful lives of the islanders, but we shared a special interest in his temple. Several times a year we repainted and repaired the buliding together, chatting all the while. As great-grandmothers, we were respected senior members of the society, which was a well-balanced and comfortable one. We both felt as we reached our late 40s (a long life in those days) that we had succeeded in our lives. Then the rainy season one year just did not stop. The clouds were dark and pouring torrents of rain for months, not weeks. My angel said that this was the result of Krakatoa's eruption, but I don't know the exact date of that. Anyway, the island was a sea of mud and the fruit and flowers became hard to find. Fishing was difficult and food became scarce. Then a foul illness swept the country. I had the impression that this was introduced by European traders, and I think that it was typhus. Strong adults were knocked down by it and died as rapidly and helplessly as did little children. We grandmothers did our best to nurse our families. I decided to prepare a very special sacrifice for the neglected God in the temple on the hill. It was difficult to find the space to work in the houses crammed full of sick people, so I packed up all the finest materials I could find and set out through the torrential rain to the temple. I arrived there to discover that Laura had just chosen to do exactly the same thing, so together we set out our materials in the cool empty space of the old temple. We created the most elaborate and lovely gifts for the God, using a lifetime of skill to decorate and beautify the arrangements. I remember using the long sharp fingernail on the middle finger of my right hand to peel and pip tiny grapes and reassemble them as a gleaming bunch on the stem. As we worked, we both began to experience the first stages of typhus. This was a foul disease which set in rapidly, with fever, pustules, pain, diarrhoea, sickness, and a hideous blue-blackening of the skin. We soon realised that we did not have the energy to return back down the hill to be nursed by our already weakened families. We made a pact to complete our sacrifices and die together in the temple. Rather than lie down to die outside in the mud, so as not to pollute the temple, we agreed to remain inside. This would show the God not only our anger but also our disappointment at his failure to prevent this plague. It would also render us, his most faithful followers, as sacrifices ourselves, begging him to heal the hurts of the island. Dragging ourselves and the towering finished displays across the boarded floor, we entered the inner sanctum of the temple. We wrapped ourselves loosely in the festival clothes we had brought, too weak to tie them tightly, and lay down side by side at the feet of the carved God. His face was grinning with fangs, red lips and lolling tongue, and fearsome horns curved over his head. His many fists brandished clubs and knives. As we slipped into unconsciousness, his grin was the last thing we saw. Each other's hand was the last thing we felt. Eventually, our souls separated and rose up, still hand in hand. The God was still there, but his grin was now one of welcome, and he reached out welcoming hands to hold ours. As a circle, we three danced up into the sky over the island. as we danced, the clouds parted and the sun appeared again, with the promise of warmth, health and verdant life returning again to Bali. All best wishes, Julia. ###### From: "Rick" <@jps.net> Newsgroups: alt.out-of-body References: <36f047c8.629275@news.dial.pipex.com> Subject: Re: Two happier deaths. Date: Wed, 17 Mar 1999 21:51:41 -0800 Lines: 13 X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.3155.0 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.3155.0 NNTP-Posting-Host: 209.63.189.103 X-NNTP-Posting-Host: 209.63.189.103 Message-ID: <36f10a86.0@news1.jps.net> X-Trace: 18 Mar 1999 06:15:34 -0800, 209.63.189.103 X-NNTP-Posting-Host: 209.63.224.240 Path: chonsp.franklin.ch!pfaff.ethz.ch!news-zh.switch.ch!news-ge.switch.ch!news.maxwell.syr.edu!news-peer1.sprintlink.net!news-in-west1.sprintlink.net!news.sprintlink.net!news-west.eli.net!news1.jps.net!209.63.189.103 Julia, Thanks for sharing such an amazing past life regression. I hope that one day soon I can recall my past lives in such detail. Would you mind posting how you go about regressing? And, please keep posting other regressions. ---Rick ###### From: J L Williams Newsgroups: alt.out-of-body Subject: Re: Two happier deaths. Date: Thu, 18 Mar 1999 08:51:21 GMT Lines: 17 Message-ID: <1999031808512175767@zetnet.co.uk> References: <36f047c8.629275@news.dial.pipex.com> <36f10a86.0@news1.jps.net> NNTP-Posting-Host: user-10003900.zetnet.co.uk X-Mailer: ZIMACS Version 1.20c 10003900 Path: chonsp.franklin.ch!pfaff.ethz.ch!news-zh.switch.ch!news-ge.switch.ch!news.belnet.be!news-feed.inet.tele.dk!bofh.vszbr.cz!news-lond.gip.net!news.gsl.net!gip.net!newspeer.clara.net!news.clara.net!ayres.ftech.net!news.ftech.net!peer.news.zetnet.net!zetnet.co.uk!user-10003900.zetnet.co.uk!not-for-mail The message <36f10a86.0@news1.jps.net> from "Rick" <@jps.net> contains these words: > Julia, Would you mind > posting how you go about regressing? > ---Rick Yes please Julia, if it is something that I can do at this stage that is :-) Regards Jim ###### From: Sabine Platz Newsgroups: alt.out-of-body Subject: Re: Two happier deaths. Date: Thu, 18 Mar 1999 11:50:18 +0000 Organization: DESY Lines: 26 Message-ID: <36F0E87A.A12FBCF9@desy.de> References: <36f047c8.629275@news.dial.pipex.com> <36f10a86.0@news1.jps.net> NNTP-Posting-Host: pcx1102.desy.de Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.05 [en] (WinNT; I) Path: chonsp.franklin.ch!pfaff.ethz.ch!news-zh.switch.ch!news-ge.switch.ch!isdnet!newsfeed.tli.de!newsfeed.gamma.ru!Gamma.RU!Radio-MSU.net!claire.desy.de!not-for-mail Rick wrote: > Julia, > > Thanks for sharing such an amazing past life regression. I hope > that one day soon I can recall my past lives in such detail. Would you mind > posting how you go about regressing? And, please keep posting other > regressions. > > ---Rick For Julia: Yes, please do tell us more. You are so advanced in all this that we can learn a lot from you. I really need your contributions, because I am getting frustrated when I only read how people try to get out and how they saw their hands and felt the vibrations. Okay, it IS important for them and they are welcome to share it, but I want MORE! My own experiences (the last one last night out of a dream) are still so trivial, and I really need encouragment. Your mails do encourage me and without doubt many others. Love from Sabine ###### From: Gunnar Ljungstrand Newsgroups: alt.out-of-body Subject: Re: Two happier deaths. (Volcanism) Date: Thu, 18 Mar 1999 20:15:37 +0100 Organization: Telenordia Lines: 100 Message-ID: <36F150D9.43954F65@algonet.se> References: <36f047c8.629275@news.dial.pipex.com> Reply-To: dervak@algonet.se NNTP-Posting-Host: du77-91.ppp.algonet.se Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Trace: zingo.tninet.se 921784414 23859 195.100.91.77 (18 Mar 1999 19:13:34 GMT) X-Complaints-To: abuse@algo.net NNTP-Posting-Date: 18 Mar 1999 19:13:34 GMT X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.5 [en] (WinNT; I) X-Accept-Language: sv,en Path: chonsp.franklin.ch!pfaff.ethz.ch!news-zh.switch.ch!newsfeed-zh.ip-plus.net!news.ip-plus.net!News.Amsterdam.UnisourceCS!masternews.telia.net!newsfeed1.swip.net!swipnet!news.algonet.se!algonet!pepsi.tninet.se!not-for-mail Julia Hawkes-Moore wrote: [snip] > We were women of a similar age living in, of all the lovely places > to live, Bali. This was around the mid nineteenth century. > We were daughters of respectable farming families, living only > about ten miles apart, in inland villages at the foothills of > mountains (or dormant volcanoes, not sure which). All of Bali is volcanic, most of it dormant tho. [snip] > Then the rainy season one year just did not stop. The clouds were > dark and pouring torrents of rain for months, not weeks. My angel said > that this was the result of Krakatoa's eruption, but I don't know the > exact date of that. Krakatau erupted in 1883, the eruption reaching its climax in nine tremendous explosions on 26-27th of August that year. The eruption column reached an altitude of some 50 km, and the noise - the loudest on record - was heard on the 4650 km distant Rodriguez Island on the other side of the Indian Ocean. Krakatau killed some 36 000 people, mainly thru the up to 35 m high tsunami ("tidal") waves it caused, but also with pyroclastic flows. > Anyway, the island was a sea of mud and the fruit and flowers became > hard to find. Fishing was difficult and food became scarce. Strange. Are you sure it was the Krakatau eruption? The volcanic island of Krakatau lies in the Sunda Strait west of Java, some 1100 km west of Bali. Altho Krakatau ejected some 18 km3 of ash and pumice, due to distance and the prevailing easterly winds almost none of that fell over Bali. However, the description almost perfectly matches an even larger volcanic eruption earlier in the 19th century. On the island of Sumbawa, some 300 km east of Bali, lies the huge stratovolcano of Tambora. Today its highest point is the 2850 m high rim of an enormous 6 km wide and 1100 m deep caldera, but before its 1815 eruption the mountain was more than 4000 m high. Its eruption on 5-12 of April 1815 is the greatest anywhere on Earth in the past millennium. Some 150 km3 of ash and pumice was ejected, blanketing the island, as well as the neighboring Flores, Sumba, Lombok, Bali, Java, eastern Sumatra and southern Borneo and Celebes, in ash. This eruption was 8 times as large as Krakatau, 12 times as large as Pinatubo in 1991, and 135 times Mt St.Helens in 1980! Bali, 300 km distant, received some 30 cm (1 ft) of ash, and the abundant rain turned it into mud. Even the sea was for a long time covered with millions of uprooted trees and large floating islands of pumice. Going to sea was almost impossible for months afterward. The eruption killed some 10 000 on Sumbawa and neighboring islands directly, by pyroclastic flows and mud flows, as well as buildings collapsing under the weight of ash. However, an additional 82 000 died indirectly, of starvation and rampant disease. Thus Tamboraīs 1815 eruption is not only the largest, but also the deadliest on record. This eruption continued to cause damage long after, even at the other side of the world. So much fine ash and sulfur dioxide (which crystallized in the cold of the upper atmosphere) had been injected into the stratosphere that it effectively cooled the Earth for several years (by reflecting sunlight). In total, the Earthīs mean temperature was lowered by about one degree (Celsius). This may not sound like much, but when you consider that the lowering may be nonevenly distributed in time as well as in space it is quite a lot. The year after, 1816, became known as the "Year Without A Summer". It snowed during the entire June in New England, and on the 21st of August a devastating frost destroyed most crops from Maine to Connecticut, and grain prices skyrocketed. It was even worse in Europe, which was just recovering from the Napoleonic Wars. > Then a foul illness swept the country. I had the impression that this > was introduced by European traders, and I think that it was typhus. I canīt shed much light on this. There were certainly a lot of disease on Sumbawa, as well as Lombok, Bali, and other islands after Tamboraīs eruption. I donīt know whether typhus was among them, but it might well have been. If so, it was probably not introduced by Europeans - at least not at that time. European traders (mostly Dutch) had been there since the 17th century. However, the starvation caused by the eruption would have made the people more vulnerable to disease their immune systems normally would have coped with, thus precipitating an epidemic. > All best wishes, Julia. Very interesting, Julia! (The non-volcanic parts too. ;-) See you out there... /Gunnar ###### From: johnf@melbpc.org.au (John Fitzsimons) Newsgroups: alt.out-of-body Subject: Re: Two happier deaths. Date: Fri, 19 Mar 1999 00:41:52 GMT Organization: Melbourne PC User Group Inc, Australia Lines: 20 Message-ID: <36f99b36.12009043@news.melbpc.org.au> References: <36f047c8.629275@news.dial.pipex.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: bilby7.melbpc.org.au Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Newsreader: Forte Agent 1.5/32.451 Path: chonsp.franklin.ch!pfaff.ethz.ch!news-zh.switch.ch!newsfeed-zh.ip-plus.net!news.ip-plus.net!News.Amsterdam.UnisourceCS!masternews.telia.net!cpk-news-hub1.bbnplanet.com!news.gtei.net!news.maxwell.syr.edu!news.mel.connect.com.au!news2.melbpc.org.au!not-for-mail On Thu, 18 Mar 1999 01:09:54 GMT, hawksmoor@dial.pipex.com (Julia Hawkes-Moore) wrote: < snipped supposed past life situation, ending with Julia dancing with a God > For people who are interested in the topic of past lives, there is a newsgroup called ; alt.paranormal.reincarnation Regards, John. **************************************************** ,-._|\ John Fitzsimons - Melbourne, Australia. / Oz \ johnf@melbpc.org.au, Fidonet 3:632/309 \_,--.x/ http://www.vicnet.net.au/~johnf/welcome.htm v http://www.alphalink.com.au/~johnf/ ###### From: clairity@webtv.net Newsgroups: alt.out-of-body Subject: Re: Two happier deaths. Date: Fri, 19 Mar 1999 17:17:00 GMT Organization: Deja News - The Leader in Internet Discussion Lines: 32 Message-ID: <7cu0po$7ri$1@nnrp1.dejanews.com> References: <36f047c8.629275@news.dial.pipex.com> <36f10a86.0@news1.jps.net> <1999031808512175767@zetnet.co.uk> NNTP-Posting-Host: 32.97.110.71 X-Article-Creation-Date: Fri Mar 19 17:17:00 1999 GMT X-Http-User-Agent: Mozilla/4.04 [en] (Win95; U) X-Http-Proxy: 1.0 x6.dejanews.com:80 (Squid/1.1.22) for client 32.97.110.71 Path: chonsp.franklin.ch!pfaff.ethz.ch!news-zh.switch.ch!news-ge.switch.ch!isdnet!remarQ-easT!supernews.com!remarQ.com!news.maxwell.syr.edu!nntp2.dejanews.com!nnrp1.dejanews.com!not-for-mail In article <1999031808512175767@zetnet.co.uk>, J L Williams wrote: > The message <36f10a86.0@news1.jps.net> > from "Rick" <@jps.net> contains these words: > > > Julia, > > > > Would you mind > > posting how you go about regressing? > > > ---Rick > > Yes please Julia, if it is something that I can do at this stage that is :-) > Regards > Jim I'm asking also! Heck, I figure if it's something I can't do now, I'll just file it away for when I'm ready! ;-) I do have a some questions though... Do you actually *relive* the experience or do you watch it unfold before you (sort of like watching a movie)? How long do you *prepare* before the actual experience begins? And lastly, how long did the whole experience *last* (it seems like hours). Take care! Clairity -----------== Posted via Deja News, The Discussion Network ==---------- http://www.dejanews.com/ Search, Read, Discuss, or Start Your Own ###### From: hawksmoor@dial.pipex.com (Julia Hawkes-Moore) Newsgroups: alt.out-of-body Subject: Re: Two happier deaths. (Volcanism) Date: Thu, 18 Mar 1999 22:30:56 GMT Organization: UUNET WorldCom server (post doesn't reflect views of UUNET WorldCom) Lines: 39 Message-ID: <36f17bc5.551611@news.dial.pipex.com> References: <36f047c8.629275@news.dial.pipex.com> <36F150D9.43954F65@algonet.se> NNTP-Posting-Host: aa210.du.pipex.com X-Newsreader: Forte Free Agent 1.1/16.230 Path: chonsp.franklin.ch!pfaff.ethz.ch!news-zh.switch.ch!news-ge.switch.ch!news.belnet.be!news-feed.inet.tele.dk!bofh.vszbr.cz!news-lond.gip.net!news.gsl.net!gip.net!rill.news.pipex.net!pipex!bore.news.pipex.net!pipex!not-for-mail On Thu, 18 Mar 1999 20:15:37 +0100, Gunnar Ljungstrand wrote: >Strange. Are you sure it was the Krakatau eruption? >However, the description almost perfectly matches an even larger >volcanic eruption earlier in the 19th century. >Its eruption on 5-12 of April 1815 is the greatest anywhere on Earth in >the past millennium. >Bali, 300 km distant, received some 30 cm (1 ft) of ash, and the >abundant rain turned it into mud. Even the sea was for a long time >covered with millions of uprooted trees and large floating islands of >pumice. Going to sea was almost impossible for months afterward. .... >However, an additional 82 000 died >indirectly, of starvation and rampant disease. Thus Tamboraīs 1815 >eruption is not only the largest, but also the deadliest on record. ...snip... There were certainly a lot of disease >on Sumbawa, as well as Lombok, Bali, and other islands after Tamboraīs >eruption. I donīt know whether typhus was among them, but it might well >have been. If so, it was probably not introduced by Europeans - at least >not at that time. European traders (mostly Dutch) had been there since >the 17th century.> >However, the starvation caused by the eruption would have made the >people more vulnerable to disease their immune systems normally would >have coped with, thus precipitating an epidemic. This is very eerie stuff, Gunnar. 1815, eh? My angel was unusually vague on the date, specifying the 19th century but not when. The Krakatoa guess was my own, as I had never heard of the Tambora eruption. What a terrible time for an island paradise like Bali. The heavy rain, the endless mud, the sea becoming inaccessible, no fish, starvation, disease, all this fits very well with the pictures I saw. My woman would not have seen the sea clogged with trees, as she lived inland, so I had presumed that the heavy rains were making the waters too rough for boats. This sounds much more likely, as hungry fishermen would have risked choppy weather, but not floating perils like those. She would never have met Europeans, but would have heard rumours blaming them for the disease. Thanks, Gunnar! All best wishes, Julia.