From: hawksmoor@dial.pipex.com (Julia Hawkes-Moore) Newsgroups: alt.out-of-body Subject: A visit to John Fitzsimons Date: Sat, 13 Mar 1999 20:57:13 GMT Organization: UUNET WorldCom server (post doesn't reflect views of UUNET WorldCom) Lines: 33 Message-ID: <36eacdc8.121384@news.dial.pipex.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: aa210.du.pipex.com X-Newsreader: Forte Free Agent 1.1/16.230 Path: chonsp.franklin.ch!pfaff.ethz.ch!news-zh.switch.ch!news-ge.switch.ch!news.belnet.be!news-feed.inet.tele.dk!bofh.vszbr.cz!join.news.pipex.net!pipex!warm.news.pipex.net!bore.news.pipex.net!pipex!not-for-mail Because some of us (but mostly me) have been giving John a (deservedly) difficult time in the last few days, I decided to visit him again. Here is the result; then, if I was entirely wrong, he is welcome to exult in his scepticism. If I got any of it right, then so be it. Anyway: 8.30pm UK time. John was sitting staring intently into his computer in the centre of a small office, with a low monopitch sloping ceiling as though it was a lean-to or the upper-floor of a building. The pitch was lowest over the computer.The daylight was strong, but filtered by horizontal bamboo blinds which seemed to extend around the walls, as though at least two of the walls were mostly glass, like a conservatory or sun-room. The blinds shifted slightly as though the windows were open. A lot of low storage units for papers and books around the walls. I know what John looks like, from his website. He appeared cleanshaven and dressed in khaki loose trousers and short-sleeved shirt. I tried to attract his attention by calling his name, but although I detected his awareness, he made no move, continuing to work on the computer. I laid my hand on his left shoulder. I could feel the heat of his skin, as though he had a slight ache or injury there, perhaps a pulled muscle, so I poured healing into his left shoulder. His left knee was also tender, so I poured blue healing light into that too. I sensed an intense and recent loneliness from John. His defences seemed to be down. Still pouring out warm blue healing, I bathed him in a pool of light, then concentrated in pouring pink healing heat into his heart chakra, from the back towards the front. His heart was locked up tight and icy cold, but the loving pink heat defrosted and melted the icy core, until his heart was warm and pink and spinning again. Then I left. I intended this visit to be one of healing and reparation, so I hope that it was a success! All best wishes, Julia HM. ###### Message-ID: <36EC55BD.5FB@cwcom.net_NOSPAM_> Date: Sun, 14 Mar 1999 16:35:09 -0800 From: Philip Potter X-Mailer: Mozilla 3.0 (Win16; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 Subject: Re: A visit to John Fitzsimons References: <36eacdc8.121384@news.dial.pipex.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Newsgroups: alt.out-of-body Lines: 42 Path: chonsp.franklin.ch!pfaff.ethz.ch!news-zh.switch.ch!news-ge.switch.ch!news.belnet.be!news-feed.inet.tele.dk!bofh.vszbr.cz!europa.clark.net!192.148.253.68!netnews.com!news-feed.fnsi.net!WCG!arl-news-svc-3.compuserve.com!news-master.compuserve.com!nntp-nih2naab.compuserve.com Julia Hawkes-Moore wrote: > > Because some of us (but mostly me) have been giving John a > (deservedly) difficult time in the last few days, I decided to visit > him again. Here is the result; then, if I was entirely wrong, he is > welcome to exult in his scepticism. If I got any of it right, then so > be it. Anyway: > 8.30pm UK time. John was sitting staring intently into his computer > in the centre of a small office, with a low monopitch sloping ceiling > as though it was a lean-to or the upper-floor of a building. The pitch > was lowest over the computer.The daylight was strong, but filtered by > horizontal bamboo blinds which seemed to extend around the walls, as > though at least two of the walls were mostly glass, like a > conservatory or sun-room. The blinds shifted slightly as though the > windows were open. A lot of low storage units for papers and books > around the walls. > I know what John looks like, from his website. He appeared > cleanshaven and dressed in khaki loose trousers and short-sleeved > shirt. I tried to attract his attention by calling his name, but > although I detected his awareness, he made no move, continuing to work > on the computer. I laid my hand on his left shoulder. I could feel the > heat of his skin, as though he had a slight ache or injury there, > perhaps a pulled muscle, so I poured healing into his left shoulder. > His left knee was also tender, so I poured blue healing light into > that too. > I sensed an intense and recent loneliness from John. His defences > seemed to be down. Still pouring out warm blue healing, I bathed him > in a pool of light, then concentrated in pouring pink healing heat > into his heart chakra, from the back towards the front. His heart was > locked up tight and icy cold, but the loving pink heat defrosted and > melted the icy core, until his heart was warm and pink and spinning > again. > Then I left. I intended this visit to be one of healing and > reparation, so I hope that it was a success! > All best wishes, Julia HM. Aww... wasn't that nice? Better alternative to a flamewar... Philip - still not getting OOB but still trying... ###### From: johnf@melbpc.org.au (John Fitzsimons) Newsgroups: alt.out-of-body Subject: Re: A visit to John Fitzsimons Date: Sun, 14 Mar 1999 20:53:38 GMT Organization: Melbourne PC User Group Inc, Australia Lines: 130 Message-ID: <37003c8e.27016935@news.melbpc.org.au> References: <36eacdc8.121384@news.dial.pipex.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: bilby9.melbpc.org.au Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Newsreader: Forte Agent 1.5/32.451 Path: chonsp.franklin.ch!pfaff.ethz.ch!news-zh.switch.ch!news-ge.switch.ch!isdnet!netnews.com!newspeer1.nac.net!news.maxwell.syr.edu!news.mel.connect.com.au!news2.melbpc.org.au!not-for-mail On Sat, 13 Mar 1999 20:57:13 GMT, hawksmoor@dial.pipex.com (Julia Hawkes-Moore) wrote: > Because some of us (but mostly me) have been giving John a >(deservedly) difficult time in the last few days, Yep, I took you off my Christmas card list. Pity I had to put you on first to do that. :-) >I decided to visit >him again. Here is the result; then, if I was entirely wrong, he is >welcome to exult in his scepticism. There is nothing to "exult" about. Things are either correct, or incorrect. I have nothing to gain by anyone being incorrect. >If I got any of it right, then so >be it. Anyway: > 8.30pm UK time. John was sitting staring intently into his computer Probably correct. >in the centre of a small office, About 8.30 A.M., or later, many people in Melbourne would be in an office of some sort. I wasn't however. If one was guessing then one may well have said that. That doesn't mean that you were guessing but it detracts from the likelihood of impressing "newbies" to OOB experiences. The office comment was probably meant to "set the scene" but all such comments in such a report are generally going to be checked for correctness or not. So, in that regard "everything counts". >with a low monopitch sloping ceiling >as though it was a lean-to or the upper-floor of a building. The pitch >was lowest over the computer. That is much better. I doubt that many people in this newsgroup are in an office with a sloping roof. Had it been correct (it wasn't) then it would have been very suggestive of an actual visit. Seeing things that people do not "expect" to see, if they are correct (and reported) can do a lot to confound skeptics and "newbies" to OOBs. >The daylight was strong, Strong daylight in sunny Australia ? Boy, that would sure be a surprise. Especially since the temperatures recently have been over 100 f. :-) Not much use as "proof" but continues to give an overall picture. >but filtered by >horizontal bamboo blinds which seemed to extend around the walls, as >though at least two of the walls were mostly glass, like a >conservatory or sun-room. The blinds shifted slightly as though the >windows were open. A lot of low storage units for papers and books >around the walls. Well, that may well be a scene from one of my past lives. It doesn't apply to this one though. Again, the bamboo would have been a very good thing to report had it been correct. I would think that few readers here have bamboo near their computer. Perhaps I should get a bamboo plant ? Do they grow indoors okay ? Probably not a bad idea. > I know what John looks like, from his website. He appeared >cleanshaven and dressed in khaki loose trousers and short-sleeved >shirt. I tried to attract his attention by calling his name, but >although I detected his awareness, he made no move, continuing to work >on the computer. I laid my hand on his left shoulder. I could feel the >heat of his skin, as though he had a slight ache or injury there, My shoulders are okay. I try NOT to spend too long in front of a monitor. To keep them that way. >perhaps a pulled muscle, so I poured healing into his left shoulder. >His left knee was also tender, so I poured blue healing light into >that too. Well, that would have been a good idea. Had it been me. > I sensed an intense and recent loneliness from John. I think maybe that is a typo. It might better read " I sensed an intense and recent loneliness from the person who I thought was John". That person may well have been a "John". Not myself however. It may also have been nobody and simply imagination. >His defences seemed to be down. Golly ! If my guides let you get that close then you must be right ! They usually don't let negative people that close to me. But then again we aren't talking about "me" in any case, so the situation isn't one that includes me. :-) >Still pouring out warm blue healing, I bathed him >in a pool of light, then concentrated in pouring pink healing heat >into his heart chakra, from the back towards the front. His heart was >locked up tight and icy cold, >but the loving pink heat defrosted and >melted the icy core, until his heart was warm and pink and spinning >again. Good one. Maybe you have a potential as a Mills and Boon writer ? Bye the way, so that you aren't "hurt". That is a compliment. :-) This would have been a good place to add "and he was very handsome". < He he > > Then I left. I intended this visit to be one of healing and >reparation, so I hope that it was a success! > All best wishes, Julia HM. You would know. I don't know why you would come all the way to Australia to receive a healing though. I thought there were lots of healers in the U.K. :-) Regards, John. **************************************************** ,-._|\ John Fitzsimons - Melbourne, Australia. / Oz \ johnf@melbpc.org.au, Fidonet 3:632/309 \_,--.x/ http://www.vicnet.net.au/~johnf/welcome.htm v http://www.alphalink.com.au/~johnf/ ###### From: hawksmoor@dial.pipex.com (Julia Hawkes-Moore) Newsgroups: alt.out-of-body Subject: Re: A visit to John Fitzsimons Date: Sun, 14 Mar 1999 22:26:37 GMT Organization: UUNET WorldCom server (post doesn't reflect views of UUNET WorldCom) Lines: 10 Message-ID: <36ec365a.1176603@news.dial.pipex.com> References: <36eacdc8.121384@news.dial.pipex.com> <37003c8e.27016935@news.melbpc.org.au> NNTP-Posting-Host: aa210.du.pipex.com X-Newsreader: Forte Free Agent 1.1/16.230 Path: chonsp.franklin.ch!pfaff.ethz.ch!news-zh.switch.ch!news-ge.switch.ch!news.belnet.be!news-feed.inet.tele.dk!bofh.vszbr.cz!join.news.pipex.net!pipex!warm.news.pipex.net!bore.news.pipex.net!pipex!not-for-mail On Sun, 14 Mar 1999 20:53:38 GMT, johnf@melbpc.org.au (John Fitzsimons) wrote: > Had it been correct (it wasn't) then it >would have been very suggestive of an actual visit. Well, there you are. I got it entirely wrong. A great big tick for the sceptics, and a big black mark for people posting their supposed obes. Now you can all get on with your lives happily without ever worrying about me and my non-existent skills. Byeee. All best wishes, Julia. ###### From: "Rohan" Newsgroups: alt.out-of-body Subject: Re: A visit to John Fitzsimons Date: Mon, 15 Mar 1999 23:02:12 +0930 Organization: Wantree Development Lines: 15 Message-ID: <7cj7g5$mg2$1@centipede.wantree.com.au> References: <36eacdc8.121384@news.dial.pipex.com> <37003c8e.27016935@news.melbpc.org.au> NNTP-Posting-Host: per6-90.wantree.com.au X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.3110.5 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.3110.3 Path: chonsp.franklin.ch!pfaff.ethz.ch!news-zh.switch.ch!news-ge.switch.ch!news.belnet.be!newspump.monmouth.com!newspeer.monmouth.com!netnews1.nw.verio.net!netnews.nwnet.net!peerfeed.ncal.verio.net!calwebnntp!news.syd.fl.net.au!centipede.wantree.com.au!not-for-mail Heey chill John, I appreciate what Julia was trying to do, but it seems like your putting up blocks to any positive energy coming your way. If you want my opinion as a neutral outside observer, I think she really does care, and so do I. I dont want all this flaming to leave a bad taste in your cyber mouth and discourage you from your regular input, cause I really appreciate your posts. thats all Peace Rohan Ford ###### From: johnf@melbpc.org.au (John Fitzsimons) Newsgroups: alt.out-of-body Subject: Re: A visit to John Fitzsimons Date: Tue, 16 Mar 1999 23:58:00 GMT Organization: Melbourne PC User Group Inc, Australia Lines: 56 Message-ID: <36f5e4dd.6325481@news.melbpc.org.au> References: <36eacdc8.121384@news.dial.pipex.com> <37003c8e.27016935@news.melbpc.org.au> <7cj7g5$mg2$1@centipede.wantree.com.au> NNTP-Posting-Host: bilby22.melbpc.org.au Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Newsreader: Forte Agent 1.5/32.451 Path: chonsp.franklin.ch!pfaff.ethz.ch!news-zh.switch.ch!news-ge.switch.ch!newscore.univie.ac.at!news-spur1.maxwell.syr.edu!news.maxwell.syr.edu!news.mel.connect.com.au!news2.melbpc.org.au!not-for-mail On Mon, 15 Mar 1999 23:02:12 +0930, "Rohan" wrote: Hi Rohan, >Heey chill John, I appreciate what Julia was trying to do, >but it seems like your putting up blocks to any positive energy coming your >way. Blocking positive energy seems like a pretty silly thing to do to me. The only people who do that sort of thing are those who want to be negative. Anyone, from anywhere, can direct positive energy to me if they want to. :-) >If you want my opinion as a neutral outside observer, I think she really >does care, About herself perhaps. People who care for others don't make malicious posts about them. :-) If you had a someone who verbally abused you, particularly in public, would you take that as a sign that they "cared" ? People like Julia, Ian and co who start flame threads to express their particular brand of vitreol/malice say a lot more about themselves than the people they hate/are intolerant of. There is however the other side of the coin. I see Ian said publically "I don't feel proud of what I posted, on reflection I believe I over reacted.". Such a comment, particularly said publically, says a lot of positive things about his personal integrity. :-) We can all say things that we later regret. Few people have the courage to say publicly that they may have handled things better though. Ian is obviously ready to move on and should be applauded for that. >and so do I. >I dont want all this flaming to leave a bad taste in your cyber mouth and >discourage you >from your regular input, cause I really appreciate your posts. Thanks, it doesn't discourage me in any way. I was here for years before Julia swanned in and presumed to speak for the posters here. I expect I will probably still be here long after she has left. If she ever decides to. Regards, John. **************************************************** ,-._|\ John Fitzsimons - Melbourne, Australia. / Oz \ johnf@melbpc.org.au, Fidonet 3:632/309 \_,--.x/ http://www.vicnet.net.au/~johnf/welcome.htm v http://www.alphalink.com.au/~johnf/