From: happy2ceu@aol.com (Happy2ceu) Newsgroups: alt.out-of-body Subject: Spirit Guides Lines: 24 NNTP-Posting-Host: ladder05.news.aol.com X-Admin: news@aol.com Date: 11 Mar 1999 12:13:23 GMT Organization: AOL http://www.aol.com Message-ID: <19990311071323.00547.00000871@ng139.aol.com> Path: chonsp.franklin.ch!pfaff.ethz.ch!news-zh.switch.ch!news.belnet.be!newsfeed.ecrc.net!cpk-news-hub1.bbnplanet.com!news.gtei.net!portc02.blue.aol.com!audrey01.news.aol.com!not-for-mail Hi Everybody.....Julia sent me this on spirit guides and thought it might be helpful to others as well... We did an interesting exercise with this. Sit on a chair in the middle of a large dark room. Meditate. Call your angel, very politely, to come and meet you. Be prepared to be surprised. Ask it (mine was an 'it' for a long time; some people get animals or even a large rolling stone!) to stand behind you. There is some stuff about an angel standing at your left, a guide at your right, which I don't really believe - mine just stood behind me and hugged. Considering that mine is 8 feet tall and often appears as a vast serpent with green and black iridescent wings, I'll go for angel! Ask it politely to step away from you to the back wall of the room. Then ask it to come forward and stand behind you. Do this a few times until you feel comfortable with its presence and are beginning to get an idea of it's shape, size and gender. When this feels good, ask it to walk around and stand in front of you. Greet it. It would be very unusual for it to show you its face, just a shining light. If you are ready for its face, ask it to show you. Ask for its name. Ask a few simple questions, like 'please take me OBE tonight' ! Eventually, thank it politely and ask it to leave until you need its presence again. Be very careful of your wording; it will act before you complete the sentence. ###### From: johnf@melbpc.org.au (John Fitzsimons) Newsgroups: alt.out-of-body,alt.paranormal.channeling,alt.religion.spiritism.spiritualism.moderated Subject: Re: Spirit Guides Date: Fri, 12 Mar 1999 11:47:25 GMT Organization: Melbourne PC User Group Inc, Australia Lines: 137 Message-ID: <372368d5.11336647@news.melbpc.org.au> References: <19990311071323.00547.00000871@ng139.aol.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: b3-25.melbpc.org.au Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Newsreader: Forte Agent 1.5/32.451 Path: chonsp.franklin.ch!pfaff.ethz.ch!news-zh.switch.ch!news-ge.switch.ch!news.belnet.be!newsfeed.wirehub.nl!netnews.com!newspeer1.nac.net!news.maxwell.syr.edu!news.mel.connect.com.au!news2.melbpc.org.au!not-for-mail On 11 Mar 1999 12:13:23 GMT, happy2ceu@aol.com (Happy2ceu) wrote: >Hi Everybody.....Julia sent me this on spirit guides and thought it might be >helpful to others as well... >We did an interesting exercise with this. Sit on a chair in the >middle of a large dark room. Meditate. Call your angel, very >politely, to come and meet you. Be prepared to be surprised. If you didn't ask for the protection of your forces of light guides then you may well be surprised. Many people have earthbound or negative entities around them when they open up to spirit presence without proper preparation. It is similar to messing around with ouija boards. Anyone can turn up. There is always a guide of the light with you. Some people call this person their "guardian". There is more on this on my vicnet page if it interests you. Once however you have properly set up your psychic environment you could then consider asking for help in recognising your guide of the light that wishes to make themselves known to you AT THIS TIME. It is quite common for guides to help people and not want to be recognised in the personal sense. >Ask it (mine was an 'it' for a long time; Why call a person "it" ? Clairsentiently a female vibration and a male one can be quite different. >some people get animals or even >a large rolling stone!) to stand behind you. One can create anything with one's thoughts. That is one of the reasons so many people see "demons". In many cases people "think them up" (thought-forms). In other cases they are simply someone who is negative. OOB or discarnate. >There is some stuff >about an angel standing at your left, a guide at your right, which I >don't really believe - Good. A guide can stand anywhere they like. :-) >mine just stood behind me and hugged. >Considering that mine is 8 feet tall and often appears as a vast >serpent with green and black iridescent wings, I'll go for angel! Go for anything you like. When people are non physical they can change their form to anything they like. Think of your guide as a hamburger if that makes you happy. I don't suggest you do this though. You might feel more like eating your guide than communicating with him/her if you did that. :-) > Ask it politely to step away from you to the back wall of the >room. Then ask it to come forward and stand behind you. Do this a >few times until you feel comfortable with its presence and are >beginning to get an idea of it's shape, size and gender. When this >feels good, ask it to walk around and stand in front of you. All these things can be done by someone who is ; (1) Physical and OOB. (2) Discarnate and "earthbound". (3) Discarnate and negative. >Greet it. I suggest that you only do that if the person doesn't belong to any of the above categories. It might be more "appropriate" to do a "spirit rescue". >It would be very unusual for it to show you its face, Why ? My guides don't go around hiding their faces. There are people who draw one's spirit guides. Sure would look odd if everyone's head was missing ! < ROFL > >just a shining light. Yes, this is a good indicator of whether a spirit is of a higher, or lower, vibration. I suggest however that you check the "brightness" of someone BEFORE you let them get close to you. Something that people who are wanting spirit communication might like to know is that not only can spirit people change their form but they also change their "brightness". If one directs (imagines) oneself able to direct a hot, bright, golden light at the other person then their "light" changes and they generally "react". Direct love and light to a guide representing the light and you will see their brightness get brighter and you will feel increasing love and light in return. They will also, often, move closer. The opposite happens with a negative entity. Their "facade" will tend to melt and you will see their "pretend" image change to a darker one. They will also tend to move away and direct negative energy to you. Such people don't like being found out. This situation also applies to someone who is negative and OOB. >If you are ready for its face, ask it to show you. Ask for its >name. Ask a few simple questions, like 'please take me OBE >tonight' ! I suggest that people might add the words "if it is for my highest spiritual good". For many people conscious OOBs are not appropriate at this time. >Eventually, thank it politely and ask it to leave until you >need its presence again. One should also know how to remove someone who is not one of one's guides of the light. If one is properly trained in mediumship however this shouldn't be a problem. > Be very careful of your wording; it will act before you complete >the sentence. IF it is appropriate that they act. The reason why spirit can act before someone says something is because they generally hear the thoughts before they are vocalised. It is up to the guide however if/when they do anything. They aren't servants "waiting for orders". Regards, John. **************************************************** ,-._|\ John Fitzsimons - Melbourne, Australia. / Oz \ johnf@melbpc.org.au, Fidonet 3:632/309 \_,--.x/ http://www.vicnet.net.au/~johnf/welcome.htm v http://www.alphalink.com.au/~johnf/ ###### From: "Madeline" Newsgroups: alt.out-of-body Subject: Re: Spirit Guides Date: Fri, 12 Mar 1999 19:22:28 -0000 Organization: UUNET WorldCom server (post doesn't reflect views of UUNET WorldCom) Lines: 40 Message-ID: <7cbpnd$4cp$1@plug.news.pipex.net> References: <19990311071323.00547.00000871@ng139.aol.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: userk877.uk.uudial.com X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.2106.4 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.2106.4 Path: chonsp.franklin.ch!pfaff.ethz.ch!news-zh.switch.ch!news-ge.switch.ch!isdnet!news-raspail.gip.net!news-lond.gip.net!news.gsl.net!gip.net!rill.news.pipex.net!pipex!bore.news.pipex.net!pipex!not-for-mail Wow, i was prety amazed with that. but then, when i read the second entry, it kinda freaked me out. i wanna try it, but i don't think i have the confidence( as i said it freaks me out) or knowledge to do it. bu i'd like to try. but these darker beings- what can they do to you? can they kill you?and how do u make them go away? Love and light, Madelin Happy2ceu wrote in message <19990311071323.00547.00000871@ng139.aol.com>... >Hi Everybody.....Julia sent me this on spirit guides and thought it might be >helpful to others as well... > >We did an interesting exercise with this. Sit on a chair in the >middle of a large dark room. Meditate. Call your angel, very >politely, to come and meet you. Be prepared to be surprised. Ask >it (mine was an 'it' for a long time; some people get animals or even >a large rolling stone!) to stand behind you. There is some stuff >about an angel standing at your left, a guide at your right, which I >don't really believe - mine just stood behind me and hugged. >Considering that mine is 8 feet tall and often appears as a vast >serpent with green and black iridescent wings, I'll go for angel! > Ask it politely to step away from you to the back wall of the >room. Then ask it to come forward and stand behind you. Do this a >few times until you feel comfortable with its presence and are >beginning to get an idea of it's shape, size and gender. When this >feels good, ask it to walk around and stand in front of you. Greet it. >It would be very unusual for it to show you its face, just a shining >light. If you are ready for its face, ask it to show you. Ask for its >name. Ask a few simple questions, like 'please take me OBE >tonight' ! Eventually, thank it politely and ask it to leave until you >need its presence again. > Be very careful of your wording; it will act before you complete >the sentence. ###### From: hawksmoor@dial.pipex.com (Julia Hawkes-Moore) Newsgroups: alt.out-of-body Subject: Re: Spirit Guides Date: Fri, 12 Mar 1999 19:34:21 GMT Organization: UUNET WorldCom server (post doesn't reflect views of UUNET WorldCom) Lines: 25 Message-ID: <36e96943.1231308@news.dial.pipex.com> References: <19990311071323.00547.00000871@ng139.aol.com> <7cbpnd$4cp$1@plug.news.pipex.net> NNTP-Posting-Host: aa187.du.pipex.com X-Newsreader: Forte Free Agent 1.1/16.230 Path: chonsp.franklin.ch!pfaff.ethz.ch!news-zh.switch.ch!news-ge.switch.ch!news.belnet.be!news-feed.inet.tele.dk!bofh.vszbr.cz!join.news.pipex.net!pipex!warm.news.pipex.net!bore.news.pipex.net!pipex!not-for-mail On Fri, 12 Mar 1999 19:22:28 -0000, "Madeline" wrote: >Wow, i was prety amazed with that. but then, when i read the second entry, >it kinda freaked me out. i wanna try it, but i don't think i have the >confidence( as i said it freaks me out) or knowledge to do it. bu i'd like >to try. but these darker beings- what can they do to you? can they kill >you?and how do u make them go away? >>Love and light, >Madelin Take no notice of John's paranoia. A happy, healthy person trusting in the Love and Light like yourself will be absolutely fine. If, like John, you believe that things are out to get you, then you are creating thought-forms which will frighten you. They are yours and yours alone, and the moment you recognise that they evaporate. If you meet anything scary, send your love and healing out towards it. If you know nothing can hurt you, then nothing will. That is all the 'psychic protection' you need. It's all I've needed so far. Just have a go! Your guide will be pleased to see you and you will feel safe and nurtured. (No doubt John will thrash back with his usual 'beware the psychic rapist' nonsense, but don't worry about it. John is busy battling all the monsters he has created, and if that is what he feels strongest and happiest doing, then so be it.) All best wishes, Julia. ###### From: J L Williams Newsgroups: alt.out-of-body Subject: Re: Spirit Guides Date: Fri, 12 Mar 1999 20:16:24 GMT Message-ID: <1999031220162475767@zetnet.co.uk> References: <19990311071323.00547.00000871@ng139.aol.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: user-10003900.zetnet.co.uk X-Mailer: ZIMACS Version 1.20c 10003900 Lines: 29 Path: chonsp.franklin.ch!pfaff.ethz.ch!news-zh.switch.ch!news-ge.switch.ch!news.belnet.be!news-feed.inet.tele.dk!bofh.vszbr.cz!dispose.news.demon.net!demon!peer.news.zetnet.net!zetnet.co.uk!user-10003900.zetnet.co.uk!not-for-mail The message <19990311071323.00547.00000871@ng139.aol.com> from happy2ceu@aol.com (Happy2ceu) contains these words: > Hi Everybody.....Julia sent me this on spirit guides and thought it might be > helpful to others as well... > We did an interesting exercise with this. Sit on a chair in the > middle of a large dark room. Meditate. Call your angel, Eventually, thank it politely and ask it to leave until you > need its presence again. > Be very careful of your wording; it will act before you complete > the sentence. I have been trying most things and have frequently asked for my guides, for their help, for obe's etc. etc. but to no avail. Well, nothing that I could quote. If they have ever helped me in the astral then I have not known it and it has not been when I asked :( I am sure, sure, sure that they have been there for me, all day everyday, even if I have not taken any notice in my physical existance. Is there something I am missing here? Jim PS I have had a "few" limited but gobsmacking experiences though which may have been due to them! ###### From: johnf@melbpc.org.au (John Fitzsimons) Newsgroups: alt.out-of-body,alt.religion.spiritism.spiritualism.moderated,alt.paranormal.channeling Subject: Re: Spirit Guides Date: Sat, 13 Mar 1999 10:47:36 GMT Organization: Melbourne PC User Group Inc, Australia Lines: 70 Message-ID: <3704e54f.24931179@news.melbpc.org.au> References: <19990311071323.00547.00000871@ng139.aol.com> <7cbpnd$4cp$1@plug.news.pipex.net> NNTP-Posting-Host: b3-32.melbpc.org.au Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Newsreader: Forte Agent 1.5/32.451 Path: chonsp.franklin.ch!pfaff.ethz.ch!news-zh.switch.ch!news-ge.switch.ch!isdnet!howland.erols.net!news.maxwell.syr.edu!news.mel.connect.com.au!news2.melbpc.org.au!not-for-mail On Fri, 12 Mar 1999 19:22:28 -0000, "Madeline" wrote: >Wow, i was prety amazed with that. but then, when i read the second entry, >it kinda freaked me out. Unfortunately many people get out ouija boards, and use other methods to be aware of spirit without any proper understanding of what can go wrong. Unfortunately, some of these people end up with psychic problems and/or in psychiatric establishments. > i wanna try it, but i don't think i have the >confidence( as i said it freaks me out) or knowledge to do it. bu i'd like >to try. If you want to have conscious spirit contact then it is just a matter of finding yourself a competent teacher of mediumship. Most Spiritualist groups/churches have such people. They will often do this training in someone's home. To help people to feel relaxed and keep things relatively informal. People often arrange themselves in a circle so these things are often termed "home circles". >but these darker beings- what can they do to you? can they kill >you? Can negative physical people try to kill you ? Why should they be any different when they are OOB, or when they are discarnate ? Killing people from non-physical realms however is very rare. One would need to know a lot about magic to succeed and in any case this takes more time that most people would bother with. >and how do u make them go away? Prayer, everyone has guides of the God forces around them. They are not there however to stop people from their foolish acts. If you choose to step off a cliff then don't expect your spirit guides to automatically stop you from killing yourself. So too with psychic matters. If one is careless then they can have problems. The term usually used for protection on psychic levels is "psychic protection". There is more on this topic on my vicnet pages but in simplistic terms it involves the positive forces/energies countering the negative. Prayer, positive thinking, visualisation of light, love etc. all help. A competent teacher of mediumship will not allow anything untoward to happen to you. You can often find such teachers in Spiritualist churches/groups. There is also a Spiritualist newsgroup that might interest you. It is called ; alt.religion.spiritism.spiritualism.moderated If you ever pass on messages from your spirit guides then it would usually be termed "channeling". A channeling newsgroup that does not necessarily have Spiritualist associations in the formal sense is called ; alt.paranormal.channeling Regards, John. **************************************************** ,-._|\ John Fitzsimons - Melbourne, Australia. / Oz \ johnf@melbpc.org.au, Fidonet 3:632/309 \_,--.x/ http://www.vicnet.net.au/~johnf/welcome.htm v http://www.alphalink.com.au/~johnf/ ###### From: johnf@melbpc.org.au (John Fitzsimons) Newsgroups: alt.out-of-body Subject: Re: Spirit Guides Date: Sat, 13 Mar 1999 10:47:37 GMT Organization: Melbourne PC User Group Inc, Australia Lines: 69 Message-ID: <3706eaff.26387624@news.melbpc.org.au> References: <19990311071323.00547.00000871@ng139.aol.com> <7cbpnd$4cp$1@plug.news.pipex.net> <36e96943.1231308@news.dial.pipex.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: b3-32.melbpc.org.au Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Newsreader: Forte Agent 1.5/32.451 Path: chonsp.franklin.ch!pfaff.ethz.ch!news-zh.switch.ch!news-ge.switch.ch!news.maxwell.syr.edu!news.mel.connect.com.au!news2.melbpc.org.au!not-for-mail On Fri, 12 Mar 1999 19:34:21 GMT, hawksmoor@dial.pipex.com (Julia Hawkes-Moore) wrote: >On Fri, 12 Mar 1999 19:22:28 -0000, "Madeline" >wrote: >>Wow, i was prety amazed with that. but then, when i read the second entry, >>it kinda freaked me out. i wanna try it, but i don't think i have the >>confidence( as i said it freaks me out) or knowledge to do it. bu i'd like >>to try. but these darker beings- what can they do to you? can they kill >>you?and how do u make them go away? >>>Love and light, >>Madelin > Take no notice of John's paranoia. A happy, healthy person trusting >in the Love and Light like yourself will be absolutely fine. About as sensible as saying that a female who is a happy, healthy person trusting in Love and Light cannot be raped or murdered. Yea....sure. Say, maybe Julia is right ? Maybe all the women who are raped or murdered "deserve it" ? Maybe they weren't "healthy" enough ? Or perhaps they didn't trust in Love and Light ? > If, like John, you believe that things are out to get you, then you >are creating thought-forms which will frighten you. She doesn't need to create fearful thought-forms. Others can do that for her. Besides, negative people can be more of a "problem" than just thought-forms. >They are yours and >yours alone, and the moment you recognise that they evaporate. If you >meet anything scary, send your love and healing out towards it. If you >know nothing can hurt you, then nothing will. That is all the 'psychic >protection' you need. It's all I've needed so far. Glad you said "so far". :-) The facts however are that in the physical world Madelin can come across someone stronger than herself. The same applies in the non physical world. > Just have a go! Your guide will be pleased to see you and you will >feel safe and nurtured. > (No doubt John will thrash back with his usual 'beware the psychic >rapist' nonsense, No, I think women should think about protection against physical AND non physical rapists. If people read the alt.out-of-body and/or alt.dreams.lucid newsgroups regularly then it will not take them long to find out that astral rape occurs. >but don't worry about it. John is busy battling all >the monsters he has created, < snip > Nope, there are plenty of monsters that others have created. No need for me to add any. :-) Regards, John. **************************************************** ,-._|\ John Fitzsimons - Melbourne, Australia. / Oz \ johnf@melbpc.org.au, Fidonet 3:632/309 \_,--.x/ http://www.vicnet.net.au/~johnf/welcome.htm v http://www.alphalink.com.au/~johnf/ ###### From: hawksmoor@dial.pipex.com (Julia Hawkes-Moore) Newsgroups: alt.out-of-body Subject: Re: Spirit Guides Date: Sat, 13 Mar 1999 12:02:39 GMT Organization: UUNET WorldCom server (post doesn't reflect views of UUNET WorldCom) Lines: 50 Message-ID: <36ea4fdb.11493001@news.dial.pipex.com> References: <19990311071323.00547.00000871@ng139.aol.com> <7cbpnd$4cp$1@plug.news.pipex.net> <36e96943.1231308@news.dial.pipex.com> <3706eaff.26387624@news.melbpc.org.au> NNTP-Posting-Host: aa133.du.pipex.com X-Newsreader: Forte Free Agent 1.1/16.230 Path: chonsp.franklin.ch!pfaff.ethz.ch!news-zh.switch.ch!news-ge.switch.ch!news.maxwell.syr.edu!rill.news.pipex.net!pipex!bore.news.pipex.net!pipex!not-for-mail >On Fri, 12 Mar 1999 19:34:21 GMT, hawksmoor@dial.pipex.com (Julia >Hawkes-Moore) wrote: > (No doubt John will thrash back with his usual 'beware the psychic >rapist' nonsense, but don't worry about it. John is busy battling all >the monsters he has created, and if that is what he feels strongest >and happiest doing, then so be it.) I don't like to say "I told you so," but: On Sat, 13 Mar 1999 10:47:37 GMT, johnf@melbpc.org.au (John Fitzsimons) wrote: >About as sensible as saying that a female who is a happy, healthy >person trusting in Love and Light cannot be raped or murdered. >Yea....sure. >>Say, maybe Julia is right ? Maybe all the women who are raped or >murdered "deserve it" ? Maybe they weren't "healthy" enough ? Or >perhaps they didn't trust in Love and Light ? > The facts however are that in the >physical world Madelin can come across someone stronger than herself. >The same applies in the non physical world. >No, I think women should think about protection against physical >AND non physical rapists. If people read the alt.out-of-body and/or >alt.dreams.lucid newsgroups regularly then it will not take them >long to find out that astral rape occurs. Now this is a classic example of John's negative posts. John, I have women friends who have visited Australia, and guess what? Not one of them was raped. Maybe they didn't get as far as Melbourne; Lucid has already told us elsewhere that it is common to get shot in Los Angeles, so are you telling us that it is common for all female visitors to get raped in Melbourne? That is very bad news for the Australian Tourist Trade. I can't think of any other reason why you should rant on about rapists all the time. 'Methinkest thou protesteth overmuch'. Guilty secrets, John? If women were really worried about rapists they would stay locked into their homes all the time and only venture out in broad daylight, accompanied by armed male guards, and wearing black sacks over them. Does that happen a lot in Melbourne, then? Oooops, now I'm mixing up cultures which repress women's freedom. Lots of people still live in Los Angeles unafraid of getting shot, and let's see, 2 billion women get on with their daily lives without permanent fear of getting raped. Rapists are the few sick and unbalanced men who think about committing rape all the time, like bankrobbers think about robbing banks. But attempts to scare and repress women with your negative posts are a nasty form of bullying. Stop it, John. Women, reclaim the night! Julia HM. ###### From: "Madeline" Newsgroups: alt.out-of-body Subject: Re: Spirit Guides Date: Sat, 13 Mar 1999 18:53:47 -0000 Organization: UUNET WorldCom server (post doesn't reflect views of UUNET WorldCom) Lines: 12 Message-ID: <7cecdk$gnv$1@plug.news.pipex.net> References: <19990311071323.00547.00000871@ng139.aol.com> <1999031220162475767@zetnet.co.uk> NNTP-Posting-Host: usern578.uk.uudial.com X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.2106.4 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.2106.4 Path: chonsp.franklin.ch!pfaff.ethz.ch!news-zh.switch.ch!news-ge.switch.ch!news.belnet.be!newsfeed.wirehub.nl!newspeer1.nac.net!news.maxwell.syr.edu!rill.news.pipex.net!pipex!bore.news.pipex.net!pipex!not-for-mail Hmm.... well thanx a lot for everyones help! though i will *ask* my spirit guides for lds, and oobs, i won't sk to actually see them! thanx for your post julia, it was very interesting JOHN! how negative can u get? like *oh yes, non-physicl killings can actually happen, like phyical ones, and non-physical rapes are very common* ha! lighten up! love+light Madelin > ###### From: gracek@melbpc.org.au (Grace Kennedy) Newsgroups: alt.out-of-body Subject: Re: Spirit Guides Date: Sun, 14 Mar 1999 00:08:55 GMT Organization: Melbourne PC User Group Inc, Australia Lines: 31 Message-ID: <36eef8b2.4249382@news.melbpc.org.au> References: <19990311071323.00547.00000871@ng139.aol.com> <7cbpnd$4cp$1@plug.news.pipex.net> <36e96943.1231308@news.dial.pipex.com> <3706eaff.26387624@news.melbpc.org.au> <36ea4fdb.11493001@news.dial.pipex.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: bilby2.melbpc.org.au Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Newsreader: Forte Agent 1.5/16.451 Path: chonsp.franklin.ch!pfaff.ethz.ch!news-zh.switch.ch!news-ge.switch.ch!news.belnet.be!newsfeed.wirehub.nl!news.maxwell.syr.edu!news.mel.connect.com.au!news2.melbpc.org.au!not-for-mail hawksmoor@dial.pipex.com (Julia Hawkes-Moore) wrote: >On Sat, 13 Mar 1999 10:47:37 GMT, johnf@melbpc.org.au (John >Fitzsimons) wrote: >>No, I think women should think about protection against physical >>AND non physical rapists. If people read the alt.out-of-body and/or >>alt.dreams.lucid newsgroups regularly then it will not take them >>long to find out that astral rape occurs. > > Now this is a classic example of John's negative posts. Why is it negative to say that psychic attack is possible and that there is protection against it? That information would be helpful and empowering to many people. > John, I have women friends who have visited Australia, and guess >what? Not one of them was raped. Maybe they didn't get as far as >Melbourne; Lucid has already told us elsewhere that it is common to >get shot in Los Angeles, so are you telling us that it is common for >all female visitors to get raped in Melbourne? That is very bad news >for the Australian Tourist Trade. > I can't think of any other reason why you should rant on about >rapists all the time. 'Methinkest thou protesteth overmuch'. >Guilty secrets, John? Do you think this response could be called a positive post? regards Grace ###### From: johnf@melbpc.org.au (John Fitzsimons) Newsgroups: alt.out-of-body Subject: Re: Spirit Guides Date: Sun, 14 Mar 1999 20:53:35 GMT Organization: Melbourne PC User Group Inc, Australia Lines: 93 Message-ID: <36fa364c.25414909@news.melbpc.org.au> References: <19990311071323.00547.00000871@ng139.aol.com> <7cbpnd$4cp$1@plug.news.pipex.net> <36e96943.1231308@news.dial.pipex.com> <3706eaff.26387624@news.melbpc.org.au> <36ea4fdb.11493001@news.dial.pipex.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: bilby9.melbpc.org.au Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Newsreader: Forte Agent 1.5/32.451 Path: chonsp.franklin.ch!pfaff.ethz.ch!news-zh.switch.ch!news-ge.switch.ch!news.maxwell.syr.edu!news.mel.connect.com.au!news2.melbpc.org.au!not-for-mail On Sat, 13 Mar 1999 12:02:39 GMT, hawksmoor@dial.pipex.com (Julia Hawkes-Moore) wrote: >On Sat, 13 Mar 1999 10:47:37 GMT, johnf@melbpc.org.au (John >Fitzsimons) wrote: < snip > >>About as sensible as saying that a female who is a happy, healthy >>person trusting in Love and Light cannot be raped or murdered. >>Yea....sure. >>>Say, maybe Julia is right ? Maybe all the women who are raped or >>murdered "deserve it" ? Maybe they weren't "healthy" enough ? Or >>perhaps they didn't trust in Love and Light ? >> The facts however are that in the >>physical world Madelin can come across someone stronger than herself. How strange. Julia didn't deny this sentence. :-) >>The same applies in the non physical world. >>No, I think women should think about protection against physical >>AND non physical rapists. If people read the alt.out-of-body and/or >>alt.dreams.lucid newsgroups regularly then it will not take them >>long to find out that astral rape occurs. > Now this is a classic example of John's negative posts. Yep. A "negative" post is where someone disagrees with you. :-) > John, I have women friends who have visited Australia, and guess >what? Not one of them was raped. Your point is ?? >Maybe they didn't get as far as Melbourne; Your point is ?? >Lucid has already told us elsewhere that it is common to >get shot in Los Angeles, so are you telling us that it is common for >all female visitors to get raped in Melbourne? That is very bad news >for the Australian Tourist Trade. Nope. Try reading my post again. Then you may have less "comprehension" problems. > I can't think of any other reason why you should rant on about >rapists all the time. 'Methinkest thou protesteth overmuch'. >Guilty secrets, John? What am I protesting about ? That rapists don't exist ? That seems to be your opinion. Not mine. An opinion that few police forces in the world would agree with IMO. > If women were really worried about rapists they would stay locked >into their homes all the time and only venture out in broad daylight, >accompanied by armed male guards, and wearing black sacks over them. >Does that happen a lot in Melbourne, then? Oooops, now I'm mixing up >cultures which repress women's freedom. People aren't raped in the UK ? Wow ! That truly is amazing ! I find that very hard to believe. How long has this been the case ? > Lots of people still live in Los Angeles unafraid of getting shot, >and let's see, 2 billion women get on with their daily lives without >permanent fear of getting raped. Rapists are the few sick and >unbalanced men who think about committing rape all the time, like >bankrobbers think about robbing banks. Fine, I agree. Rapists can also go OOB. Guess what they might then want to do ? Duh ! > But attempts to scare and repress women with your negative posts >are a nasty form of bullying. Stop it, John. > Women, reclaim the night! >Julia HM. Pretending that rapists don't exist, or that they only exist in Melbourne, simply makes you look foolish Julia. I suggest you confine your discussion to OOB matters. Police matters are obviously not one of your Forté's. Regards, John. **************************************************** ,-._|\ John Fitzsimons - Melbourne, Australia. / Oz \ johnf@melbpc.org.au, Fidonet 3:632/309 \_,--.x/ http://www.vicnet.net.au/~johnf/welcome.htm v http://www.alphalink.com.au/~johnf/ ###### From: johnf@melbpc.org.au (John Fitzsimons) Newsgroups: alt.out-of-body Subject: Re: Spirit Guides Date: Sun, 14 Mar 1999 20:53:36 GMT Organization: Melbourne PC User Group Inc, Australia Lines: 26 Message-ID: <36fd3945.26176014@news.melbpc.org.au> References: <19990311071323.00547.00000871@ng139.aol.com> <1999031220162475767@zetnet.co.uk> NNTP-Posting-Host: bilby9.melbpc.org.au Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Newsreader: Forte Agent 1.5/32.451 Path: chonsp.franklin.ch!pfaff.ethz.ch!news-zh.switch.ch!news-ge.switch.ch!newscore.univie.ac.at!news-spur1.maxwell.syr.edu!news.maxwell.syr.edu!news.mel.connect.com.au!news2.melbpc.org.au!not-for-mail On Fri, 12 Mar 1999 20:16:24 GMT, J L Williams wrote: < snip > >I have been trying most things and have frequently asked for my >guides, for their help, for obe's etc. < snip > >Is there something I am missing here? >Jim Spirit guides are happy to help people to go consciously OOB if it is appropriate. What makes you think that they think that it is appropriate for you ? Regards, John. **************************************************** ,-._|\ John Fitzsimons - Melbourne, Australia. / Oz \ johnf@melbpc.org.au, Fidonet 3:632/309 \_,--.x/ http://www.vicnet.net.au/~johnf/welcome.htm v http://www.alphalink.com.au/~johnf/ ###### From: johnf@melbpc.org.au (John Fitzsimons) Newsgroups: alt.out-of-body Subject: Re: Spirit Guides Date: Sun, 14 Mar 1999 20:53:36 GMT Organization: Melbourne PC User Group Inc, Australia Lines: 27 Message-ID: <36fc37b9.25779690@news.melbpc.org.au> References: <19990311071323.00547.00000871@ng139.aol.com> <1999031220162475767@zetnet.co.uk> <7cecdk$gnv$1@plug.news.pipex.net> NNTP-Posting-Host: bilby9.melbpc.org.au Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Newsreader: Forte Agent 1.5/32.451 Path: chonsp.franklin.ch!pfaff.ethz.ch!news-zh.switch.ch!news-ge.switch.ch!newscore.univie.ac.at!news-spur1.maxwell.syr.edu!news.maxwell.syr.edu!news.mel.connect.com.au!news2.melbpc.org.au!not-for-mail On Sat, 13 Mar 1999 18:53:47 -0000, "Madeline" wrote: < snip > >JOHN! how negative can u get? like *oh yes, non-physicl killings can >actually happen, like phyical ones, and non-physical rapes are very common* >ha! lighten up! Lighten up ? I didn't think that murder, or rape, was a light hearted matter. What is your problem ? A question was asked and an answer given. Are you suggesting that people cannot be murdered physically ? Non physically ? Maybe you are suggesting that people aren't raped ? In that case why do you choose to disbelieve people who say that they have been raped astrally ? Regards, John. **************************************************** ,-._|\ John Fitzsimons - Melbourne, Australia. / Oz \ johnf@melbpc.org.au, Fidonet 3:632/309 \_,--.x/ http://www.vicnet.net.au/~johnf/welcome.htm v http://www.alphalink.com.au/~johnf/ ###### From: smackudown@nac.net Newsgroups: alt.out-of-body Subject: Re: Spirit Guides Message-ID: <36ec3025.211636554@news.nac.net> References: <19990311071323.00547.00000871@ng139.aol.com> <1999031220162475767@zetnet.co.uk> <7cecdk$gnv$1@plug.news.pipex.net> <36fc37b9.25779690@news.melbpc.org.au> X-Newsreader: Forte Free Agent 1.11/32.235 Lines: 12 Date: Sun, 14 Mar 1999 21:58:41 GMT NNTP-Posting-Host: 207.99.2.73 X-Complaints-To: news@nac.net X-Trace: nntp1.nac.net 921449106 207.99.2.73 (Sun, 14 Mar 1999 17:05:06 EDT) NNTP-Posting-Date: Sun, 14 Mar 1999 17:05:06 EDT Path: chonsp.franklin.ch!pfaff.ethz.ch!news-zh.switch.ch!news-ge.switch.ch!news.belnet.be!news-feed.inet.tele.dk!bofh.vszbr.cz!newspeer.monmouth.com!newspeer1.nac.net!nntp1.nac.net!not-for-mail Hmmm.. this is pretty interesting. I'm curious though, in anyone's EXPERIENCE... not theory, has anyone every been killed during an OBE? If so, although unpleasant, nothing that happens during an OBE can carry over to the physical right? (I'm not talking about mentally). So obviously you can get hurt during an OBE, but the effects would only be confined to the astral would it not? I mean, are there any cases of anyone dieing in an OBE resulting in physical death? Sorry, I'm new to OBE's and I'm just curious. Jason http://www.sevenmagicwords.com ( do you want women to pick YOU UP! ) ###### From: johnf@melbpc.org.au (John Fitzsimons) Newsgroups: alt.out-of-body Subject: Re: Spirit Guides Date: Tue, 16 Mar 1999 01:13:01 GMT Organization: Melbourne PC User Group Inc, Australia Lines: 48 Message-ID: <36f3a8c1.9787995@news.melbpc.org.au> References: <19990311071323.00547.00000871@ng139.aol.com> <1999031220162475767@zetnet.co.uk> <7cecdk$gnv$1@plug.news.pipex.net> <36fc37b9.25779690@news.melbpc.org.au> <36ec3025.211636554@news.nac.net> NNTP-Posting-Host: bilby13.melbpc.org.au Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Newsreader: Forte Agent 1.5/32.451 Path: chonsp.franklin.ch!pfaff.ethz.ch!news-zh.switch.ch!news-ge.switch.ch!news.belnet.be!news-spur1.maxwell.syr.edu!news.maxwell.syr.edu!news.mel.connect.com.au!news2.melbpc.org.au!not-for-mail On Sun, 14 Mar 1999 21:58:41 GMT, smackudown@nac.net wrote: Hi Jason, > Hmmm.. this is pretty interesting. I'm curious though, in >anyone's EXPERIENCE... not theory, has anyone every been killed during >an OBE? If some is killed during an OOB then how would they tell you their experience ? Are you a medium ? If you are then I suggest you ask people how they died, as I have done over the years. >If so, although unpleasant, nothing that happens during an >OBE can carry over to the physical right? Wrong. >(I'm not talking about >mentally). So obviously you can get hurt during an OBE, but the >effects would only be confined to the astral would it not? Nope. People can wake up with physical bruising, scratches, etc. after experiencing a situation of being attacked on psychic levels. If one tries to use force to counter an attacker, rather than using love and light, then they can wake up in the morning feeling very "drained" (exhausted). This is actually a handy thing to know. If people are regularly drained of energy, particularly after a sleep, then it is a good pointer to the possibility that they have not set up effective (any ?) psychic protection and/or are the victims of spells etc. > I mean, are >there any cases of anyone dieing in an OBE resulting in physical >death? Sorry, I'm new to OBE's and I'm just curious. Check your local hospital. How many people die in their sleep ? How would a normal person know if such deaths were due to OBE's ? Regards, John. **************************************************** ,-._|\ John Fitzsimons - Melbourne, Australia. / Oz \ johnf@melbpc.org.au, Fidonet 3:632/309 \_,--.x/ http://www.vicnet.net.au/~johnf/welcome.htm v http://www.alphalink.com.au/~johnf/ ###### From: spicyjem@aol.comJokeMail (Spicy Jem) Newsgroups: alt.out-of-body Subject: Re: Spirit Guides Lines: 16 NNTP-Posting-Host: ladder05.news.aol.com X-Admin: news@aol.com Date: 16 Mar 1999 07:17:55 GMT Organization: AOL http://www.aol.com References: <36ec3025.211636554@news.nac.net> Message-ID: <19990316021755.22934.00001404@ng20.aol.com> Path: chonsp.franklin.ch!pfaff.ethz.ch!news-zh.switch.ch!news-ge.switch.ch!news.belnet.be!news-spur1.maxwell.syr.edu!news.maxwell.syr.edu!news-peer.gip.net!news.gsl.net!gip.net!portc01.blue.aol.com!audrey01.news.aol.com!not-for-mail > Hmmm.. this is pretty interesting. I'm curious though, in >anyone's EXPERIENCE... not theory, has anyone every been killed during >an OBE? Well, if they have, I'm sure they wont be in this newsgroup to write about it! LOL <3 Jeff Mash <3 To email me, remove the "JokeMail" in the address. Need a laugh? Go to http://www.vertigy.com/jokemail "There's nothing to fear except fear itself...Oh...plus rejection and physical harm!" ###### From: "Madeline" Newsgroups: alt.out-of-body Subject: Re: Spirit Guides Date: Wed, 17 Mar 1999 18:28:20 -0000 Organization: UUNET WorldCom server (post doesn't reflect views of UUNET WorldCom) Lines: 54 Message-ID: <7cose2$ee$1@plug.news.pipex.net> References: <19990311071323.00547.00000871@ng139.aol.com> <1999031220162475767@zetnet.co.uk> <7cecdk$gnv$1@plug.news.pipex.net> <36fc37b9.25779690@news.melbpc.org.au> NNTP-Posting-Host: usera726.uk.uudial.com X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.2106.4 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.2106.4 Path: chonsp.franklin.ch!pfaff.ethz.ch!news-zh.switch.ch!news-ge.switch.ch!feed2.news.luth.se!luth.se!news-peer-europe.sprintlink.net!news.sprintlink.net!Sprint!newsfeed1.swip.net!swipnet!rill.news.pipex.net!pipex!bore.news.pipex.net!pipex!not-for-mail hey! : > >< snip > > >>JOHN! how negative can u get? like *oh yes, non-physicl killings can >>actually happen, like phyical ones, and non-physical rapes are very common* >>ha! lighten up! > >Lighten up ? I didn't think that murder, or rape, was a light hearted >matter. *Yeah, but maybe take it a bit seriously* > >What is your problem ? A question was asked and an answer given. *yeah yeah whatever* Are >you suggesting that people cannot be murdered physically ? *Of course ppl can be murdered physically* Non >physically ? Maybe you are suggesting that people aren't raped ? In >that case why do you choose to disbelieve people who say that they >have been raped astrally ? *Excuse me? i have never said that i didn't belive them. Why are you sooooooo obsessed with astral(and physical) rape anyway? Of course i know that it happens. But please, are you a secret rapist or something? does this have to come up in EVERY message you send?* lol no offence intended ok. Love and light Madlein (all my posts are * *) > >Regards, John. > > **************************************************** > ,-._|\ John Fitzsimons - Melbourne, Australia. > / Oz \ johnf@melbpc.org.au, Fidonet 3:632/309 > \_,--.x/ http://www.vicnet.net.au/~johnf/welcome.htm > v http://www.alphalink.com.au/~johnf/ > > ###### From: johnf@melbpc.org.au (John Fitzsimons) Newsgroups: alt.out-of-body Subject: Re: Spirit Guides Date: Thu, 18 Mar 1999 00:27:55 GMT Organization: Melbourne PC User Group Inc, Australia Lines: 59 Message-ID: <36fb3fd0.8264226@news.melbpc.org.au> References: <19990311071323.00547.00000871@ng139.aol.com> <1999031220162475767@zetnet.co.uk> <7cecdk$gnv$1@plug.news.pipex.net> <36fc37b9.25779690@news.melbpc.org.au> <7cose2$ee$1@plug.news.pipex.net> NNTP-Posting-Host: bilby6.melbpc.org.au Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Newsreader: Forte Agent 1.5/32.451 Path: chonsp.franklin.ch!pfaff.ethz.ch!news-zh.switch.ch!news-ge.switch.ch!news.maxwell.syr.edu!news.mel.connect.com.au!news2.melbpc.org.au!not-for-mail On Wed, 17 Mar 1999 18:28:20 -0000, "Madeline" wrote: < snip > >Are you suggesting that people cannot be murdered physically ? >*Of course ppl can be murdered physically* Good. Something we agree on. > Non >>physically ? Maybe you are suggesting that people aren't raped ? In >>that case why do you choose to disbelieve people who say that they >>have been raped astrally ? >*Excuse me? i have never said that i didn't belive them. Why are you >sooooooo obsessed with astral(and physical) rape anyway? Of course i know >that it happens. Good. Something we agree on. >But please, are you a secret rapist or something? That is a particularly dopey comment IMO. Is everyone who talks about rape a rapist ? That seems a rather absurd correlation to me. Are you of "unsound mind" or something ? Try using a bit of common sense. I constantly tell people how to protect themselves from astral rape. Does that sound like someone who had any intentions of raping anyone ? Maybe I should ask you whether you are a "whore" ? Perhaps you wouldn't mind people suggesting that you are a whore if they add " no offence intended" ? >does this >have to come up in EVERY message you send?* lol no offence intended ok. Well, as I said. I don't think rape is a matter to lol about. Many people take the topic quite seriously. Also, being offensive and then saying it wasn't meant to be offensive just makes you look like an idiot IMO. Perhaps rather than "Doing a Julia" you could consider posting something about OOB experiences ? Rather than advertising your intolerance for other posters/opinions ? Regards, John. **************************************************** ,-._|\ John Fitzsimons - Melbourne, Australia. / Oz \ johnf@melbpc.org.au, Fidonet 3:632/309 \_,--.x/ http://www.vicnet.net.au/~johnf/welcome.htm v http://www.alphalink.com.au/~johnf/ ###### Message-ID: <36F1D21E.23DB@cwcom.net_NOSPAM_> Date: Thu, 18 Mar 1999 20:27:10 -0800 From: Philip Potter X-Mailer: Mozilla 3.0 (Win16; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 Subject: Re: Spirit Guides References: <19990311071323.00547.00000871@ng139.aol.com> <1999031220162475767@zetnet.co.uk> <7cecdk$gnv$1@plug.news.pipex.net> <36fc37b9.25779690@news.melbpc.org.au> <7cose2$ee$1@plug.news.pipex.net> <36fb3fd0.8264226@news.melbpc.org.au> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Newsgroups: alt.out-of-body Lines: 8 Path: chonsp.franklin.ch!pfaff.ethz.ch!news-zh.switch.ch!news-ge.switch.ch!isdnet!arl-news-svc-4.compuserve.com!news-master.compuserve.com!nntp-nih2naac.compuserve.com > Perhaps rather than "Doing a Julia" you could consider posting > something about OOB experiences ? Rather than advertising your > intolerance for other posters/opinions ? Er, John, read this again and spot the hypocricy. Philip ###### From: "Madeline" Newsgroups: alt.out-of-body Subject: Re: Spirit Guides Date: Fri, 19 Mar 1999 19:43:03 -0000 Organization: UUNET WorldCom server (post doesn't reflect views of UUNET WorldCom) Lines: 28 Message-ID: <7cu9i8$fjs$1@plug.news.pipex.net> References: <19990311071323.00547.00000871@ng139.aol.com> <1999031220162475767@zetnet.co.uk> <7cecdk$gnv$1@plug.news.pipex.net> <36fc37b9.25779690@news.melbpc.org.au> <7cose2$ee$1@plug.news.pipex.net> <36fb3fd0.8264226@news.melbpc.org.au> <36F1D21E.23DB@cwcom.net_NOSPAM_> NNTP-Posting-Host: userb701.uk.uudial.com X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.2106.4 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.2106.4 Path: chonsp.franklin.ch!pfaff.ethz.ch!news-zh.switch.ch!news-ge.switch.ch!feed2.news.luth.se!luth.se!news-peer-europe.sprintlink.net!news.sprintlink.net!Sprint!news.algonet.se!algonet!rill.news.pipex.net!pipex!bore.news.pipex.net!pipex!not-for-mail There nothing wrong with julia. Anyway, stop saying i'm making myself look stupid by contradicting myself. I'm not! And all i meant was that astral rape comes into every of your messages. Your obsessed with it. Well its ok warning us up to a point, but your comments go way beyond that point. Way way beyond! LOve+light Madeline PS: don't call me a whore. ] Philip Potter wrote in message <36F1D21E.23DB@cwcom.net_NOSPAM_>... >> Perhaps rather than "Doing a Julia" you could consider posting >> something about OOB experiences ? Rather than advertising your >> intolerance for other posters/opinions ? > >Er, John, read this again and spot the hypocricy. > >Philip > ###### From: johnf@melbpc.org.au (John Fitzsimons) Newsgroups: alt.out-of-body Subject: Re: Spirit Guides Date: Sat, 20 Mar 1999 03:02:42 GMT Organization: Melbourne PC User Group Inc, Australia Lines: 49 Message-ID: <36fb075b.8143276@news.melbpc.org.au> References: <19990311071323.00547.00000871@ng139.aol.com> <1999031220162475767@zetnet.co.uk> <7cecdk$gnv$1@plug.news.pipex.net> <36fc37b9.25779690@news.melbpc.org.au> <7cose2$ee$1@plug.news.pipex.net> <36fb3fd0.8264226@news.melbpc.org.au> <36F1D21E.23DB@cwcom.net_NOSPAM_> <7cu9i8$fjs$1@plug.news.pipex.net> NNTP-Posting-Host: bilby2.melbpc.org.au Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Newsreader: Forte Agent 1.5/32.451 Path: chonsp.franklin.ch!pfaff.ethz.ch!news-zh.switch.ch!news-ge.switch.ch!news.maxwell.syr.edu!news.mel.connect.com.au!news2.melbpc.org.au!not-for-mail On Fri, 19 Mar 1999 19:43:03 -0000, "Madeline" wrote: >There nothing wrong with julia. Anyway, stop saying i'm making myself look >stupid by contradicting myself. I'm not! Anyone who makes a comment that people warning others against rapists must be rapist themselves is making a stupid comment. If you want people to think you are stupid then that is your prerogative. >And all i meant was that astral rape comes into every of your messages. Your >obsessed with it. Well its ok warning us up to a point, but your comments go >way beyond that point. Way way beyond! Rather than "do a Julia" I suggest you learn how to killfile people. Nobody is forcing you to read my posts. I think people are probably more interested in reading about OOBs here than finding out who you, and Julia, "approve", or "disapprove", of. >LOve+light >Madeline >PS: don't call me a whore. >] If you don't want to be called a whore then I suggest you don't call people rapists. Bye the way, another thing that makes you look silly IMO is accusing people of being rapists and then signing such a post "Love and light". There is little point printing something you obviously don't agree with. Making nasty remarks about people is hardly an example of being "love and light". Maybe you would be better off simply signing things "hatred and darkness" ? It would be more appropriate for your condescending posts. Bye the way, why don't you want to be called a whore ? Using Julia's comments in a previous post "Dost though protest too much ?" Regards, John. **************************************************** ,-._|\ John Fitzsimons - Melbourne, Australia. / Oz \ johnf@melbpc.org.au, Fidonet 3:632/309 \_,--.x/ http://www.vicnet.net.au/~johnf/welcome.htm v http://www.alphalink.com.au/~johnf/ ###### Message-ID: <36F3C955.9E2@cwcom.net_NOSPAM_> Date: Sat, 20 Mar 1999 08:14:13 -0800 From: Philip Potter X-Mailer: Mozilla 3.0 (Win16; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 Subject: Re: Spirit Guides References: <19990311071323.00547.00000871@ng139.aol.com> <1999031220162475767@zetnet.co.uk> <7cecdk$gnv$1@plug.news.pipex.net> <36fc37b9.25779690@news.melbpc.org.au> <7cose2$ee$1@plug.news.pipex.net> <36fb3fd0.8264226@news.melbpc.org.au> <36F1D21E.23DB@cwcom.net_NOSPAM_> <7cu9i8$fjs$1@plug.news.pipex.net> <36fb075b.8143276@news.melbpc.org.au> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Newsgroups: alt.out-of-body Lines: 15 Path: chonsp.franklin.ch!pfaff.ethz.ch!news-zh.switch.ch!news-ge.switch.ch!newscore.univie.ac.at!news-spur1.maxwell.syr.edu!news.maxwell.syr.edu!ix.netcom.com!arl-news-svc-3.compuserve.com!news-master.compuserve.com!nntp-nih2naaf.prod2.compuserve.com > Rather than "do a Julia" I suggest you learn how to killfile people. > Nobody is forcing you to read my posts. I think people are probably > more interested in reading about OOBs here than finding out who you, > and Julia, "approve", or "disapprove", of. So this doesn't apply to you John? You can complain about anyone but Julia can't? > By the way, why don't you want to be called a whore ? Using Julia's > comments in a previous post "Dost though protest too much ?" Why don't you want to be called a rapist? Philip