From: happy2ceu@aol.com (Happy2ceu)
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Hi group,
  Just thought you guys might be interested in this. On the last full moon,
Julia Hawkes Moore and I set up a little experiment. I asked if she could try
to come *pull me out*. I never got final confirmation from her on March 2 (full
moon) But I went ahead as planned, and meditated since it was a full moon. (
not knowing that she was indeed trying to reach me.) Anyway while meditating
that evening, I clearly saw a woman in the distance to the left of my vision,
standing behind something, as if she watching me. She was wearing a long white
robe type dress and had long darkish hair that looked as if the wind was
blowing. Kinda blew my mind a bit.  Later that evening as I was laying in bed
watching television, I felt a distinct brush against my left hand that startled
me....no.. more like freaked me out..LOL....Of course I looked and nothing was
there, and then my cat began to freak, darting and staring at the *air.*...I
wrote all this down in my journal, not even making the connection to Julia.
Julia writes me the next day and tells me that she did indeed meditate. And
what she wrote flipped me out. She confirmed everything I had experienced. So
we decided again and confirmed this time that we would try again that night.
Here is part of what she saw that night::::::
 So here's my report:
Flew from darkness into light over Florida, found you. Your room 
was filled with piles of books, could do with a tidy! You were sitting 
propped upright on cushions or pillows, meditating. Your hair was 
centre-parted, tied or scraped back somehow, brown with grey 
threads. Interesting , experienced-looking face, broad mouth. 

ok...she described me to a T.............I always meditate laying down on my
stomache but for some reason I tried something new. This is the first time
EVER.. that I have meditated propped up on several pillows. I have dark hair
parted slightly to the left of center, with gray streaks. On my bedside table
are indeed several books, and to the left of my bed, a large, rather sloppy
bookshelf. I was unaware of her this time but have no doubt that she was
standin' in my bedroom...LOL...
Sure is cheaper than over priced airline tickets..now if I can just get to
England.
Next obe, I'm Britain bound !
Thanks friend.
love,
Laura :)

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From: spicyjem@aol.comJokeMail (Spicy Jem)
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Dear Laura and Julia,

<snip about visit from Julia>

You ever get the feeling that something strange, awesome, and exciting is
happening!?  I am so excited to hear this experience....ESPECIALLY since
Clairity had just finished checking out my bedroom the other night!  I like
this idea that we pair up and try to meet on *specific* nights.  If you recall,
(I know Laura does), this is exactly what her and I did a couple weeks ago, and
it was at this time that I succeeded in going OOBE.  

I dont know how the rest of you feel, but my desire to go OOBE increases even
more when I have an objective in mind.  So Clarity, if you want, maybe you and
I can work together and try to establish more *hits* at a specific place.  Same
with Julia and Laura.

Here's another thought I was thinking.....in most Chirstian churches ( and
perhaps many other religions), they have regular retreats.  During these
retreats, they all meet someplace and fellowship together.  Some of these
people do it because their spirituality is strong and it feels good to be
amongst others of *like faith*.  Other people go to the retreats because they
are having problems and need a renewel of strength.  At any rate, can you just
imagine what it would be like if we all planned an actual, physical reunion to
meet and have our own seminars for a few days (like Friday through Sunday).  
Obviously, the problem is financial restictions to travel to a specific place,
but just imagine the joyful spirit that we would be in....the awesomeness to
sit down one on one and pick each others brains!  To be able to look in the
other persons eyes and see their excitement.  Better yet, take long walks with
each other and contemplate on the unknown!

Sorry....I get excited just thinking about it.  I feel energized knowing that
Clairity saw my room (even though it looks like a grenade went off in it), and
I am happy to hear about Julia and Laura's experience.  I have the next two
days off to sleep in, so I would like to hook up with someone (Clarity?) to see
if I can get out.  Keep smiling everyone!

<3  Jeff Mash  <3
To email me, remove the "JokeMail" in the address.

Need a laugh?  Go to http://www.vertigy.com/jokemail

"There's nothing to fear except fear itself...Oh...plus rejection and physical
harm!"

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From: happy2ceu@aol.com (Happy2ceu)
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>At any rate, can you just
>imagine what it would be like if we all planned an actual, physical reunion
>to
>meet and have our own seminars for a few days (like Friday through Sunday).  
>Obviously, the problem is financial restictions to travel to a specific
>place,
>but just imagine the joyful spirit that we would be in....the awesomeness to
>sit down one on one and pick each others brains!  To be able to look in the
>other persons eyes and see their excitement.  Better yet, take long walks
>with
>each other and contemplate on the unknown!

I think this is a wonderful idea. Hey, I'm game.
(pullin' out my piggy bank as I type this)
I'll start savin' up for it.  :)
But first I gotta go clean up my room...LOL

love,
Laura :)

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From: hawksmoor@dial.pipex.com (Julia Hawkes-Moore)
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On 9 Mar 1999 21:00:29 GMT, happy2ceu@aol.com (Happy2ceu) wrote:
>>At any rate, can you just
>>imagine what it would be like if we all planned an actual, physical reunion
>>to
>>meet and have our own seminars for a few days (like Friday through Sunday).  
>>Obviously, the problem is financial restictions to travel to a specific
>>place,
>>but just imagine the joyful spirit that we would be in....the awesomeness to
>>sit down one on one and pick each others brains!  To be able to look in the
>>other persons eyes and see their excitement.  Better yet, take long walks
>>with
>>each other and contemplate on the unknown!
>
>I think this is a wonderful idea. Hey, I'm game.
>(pullin' out my piggy bank as I type this)
>I'll start savin' up for it.  :)
>But first I gotta go clean up my room...LOL

   I would love to meet up with all you interesting people BUT 
No way can I afford to fly to the USA, not with my two toddlers!
But you are very welcome to visit me in England (at prearranged
times!) including by OBE!
  Now you can all go and tidy up your bedrooms....
  All best wishes, Julia.

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From: J L Williams <j.l.williams@zetnet.co.uk>
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> On 9 Mar 1999 21:00:29 GMT, happy2ceu@aol.com (Happy2ceu) wrote:
> >>At any rate, can you just
> >>imagine what it would be like if we all planned an actual, physical reunion
> >><Snip>
> >I'll start savin' up for it.  :)
> >But first I gotta go clean up my room...LOL

>    I would love to meet up with all you interesting people BUT 
> No way can I afford to fly to the USA, not with my two toddlers!
> But you are very welcome to visit me in England (at prearranged
> times!) including by OBE!
>   Now you can all go and tidy up your bedrooms....
>   All best wishes, Julia.

Well I like this idea as well so what about it? Anyone like a challenge?
If anyone would like to obe/RV me here and attempt to describe the 
room I am in at a predetermined time then you would be made most 
welcome :) Astral tea and cakes aplenty! I wonder who might make the 
most complete and correct description? If anyone is game I would be 
willing to send a description to one in the group before hand to act 
as referee. Perhaps to the most skeptical? That person could then say 
whether it was a hit or miss.
Oooooooh, this could be fun!
Yours interestingly 
Jim

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From: happy2ceu@aol.com (Happy2ceu)
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>Oooooooh, this could be fun!

LOL...Jim....I wish I was experienced and confident enough to volunteer, but
I'm afraid there are others here much more qualified than myself..I'll be the
referee though  :)
If Julia or Clairity volunteer, make sure to clean up your room...HA !
Hugs,
Laura :)

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From: clairity@webtv.net
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  J L Williams <j.l.williams@zetnet.co.uk> wrote:
> The message <36e599cf.34933673@news.dial.pipex.com>
> from  hawksmoor@dial.pipex.com (Julia Hawkes-Moore) contains these words:

> > On 9 Mar 1999 21:00:29 GMT, happy2ceu@aol.com (Happy2ceu) wrote:

> > >>At any rate, can you just imagine what it would be like if we all
> > >>planned an actual, physical reunion
> > >><Snip>

> > >I'll start savin' up for it.  :)
> > >But first I gotta go clean up my room...LOL

> > I would love to meet up with all you interesting people BUT
> > No way can I afford to fly to the USA, not with my two toddlers!
> > But you are very welcome to visit me in England (at prearranged
> > times!) including by OBE!
> > Now you can all go and tidy up your bedrooms....
> > All best wishes, Julia.

> Well I like this idea as well so what about it? Anyone like a challenge?
> If anyone would like to obe/RV me here and attempt to describe the
> room I am in at a predetermined time then you would be made most
> welcome :) Astral tea and cakes aplenty! I wonder who might make the
> most complete and correct description? If anyone is game I would be
> willing to send a description to one in the group before hand to act
> as referee. Perhaps to the most skeptical? That person could then say
> whether it was a hit or miss.

Oh man.. a test! I am willing to give it a go but I am stating for the record
here and now that I absolutely, positively *SUCK* under pressure!! But hey,
I'm a little trooper.. just let me know who else wants to play and what the
rules of the game are.

> Oooooooh, this could be fun!

Oooooooh, I'm going to be sick! ;-)

> Yours interestingly
> Jim

Yours I can feel the performance anxiety building now,
Clairity

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From: J L Williams <j.l.williams@zetnet.co.uk>
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The message <19990310091805.27844.00000559@ng-fq1.aol.com>
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> >Oooooooh, this could be fun!

> LOL...Jim....I wish I was experienced and confident enough to volunteer, but
> I'm afraid there are others here much more qualified than myself..I'll be the
> referee though  :)
> If Julia or Clairity volunteer, make sure to clean up your room...HA !
> Hugs,
> Laura :)

That is just it Laura, you don't have to be experienced! You just try 
and whatever you experience you post here exactly as you saw them. Go 
on.....have a go! 
'an hugs to you
Jim

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From: "Ian Gogay" <ian@gogay.freeserve.co.uk>
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Julia Hawkes-Moore wrote,
 
>    I would love to meet up with all you interesting people BUT 
> No way can I afford to fly to the USA, not with my two toddlers!

Ditto, except my two kids are 3 and 8.

> But you are very welcome to visit me in England (at prearranged
> times!) including by OBE!

I,d love to. 

>   Now you can all go and tidy up your bedrooms....

My wife would shoot me if I let the bedroom get untidy, just ask my
kids.   ;-)

Ian G.

P.S   Excellent Florida trip Julia. Keep it up and keep us posted :-).

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From: johnf@melbpc.org.au (John Fitzsimons)
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On Wed, 10 Mar 1999 11:30:11 GMT, J L Williams
<j.l.williams@zetnet.co.uk> wrote:

Hi Jim, 

< snip >

>Well I like this idea as well so what about it? Anyone like a challenge?
>If anyone would like to obe/RV me here and attempt to describe the 
>room I am in at a predetermined time then you would be made most 
>welcome :) Astral tea and cakes aplenty! I wonder who might make the 
>most complete and correct description? If anyone is game I would be 
>willing to send a description to one in the group before hand to act 
>as referee. 

Excellent idea. 

>Perhaps to the most skeptical? 

An even better idea.   < he he >  

However one would need someone who was not only skeptical but honest
as well. Some skeptics are so against the idea of OOBs that they would
refuse to acknowledge even a 100% "hit rate". 

Also, the possible accusation of "collusion" comes to mind here.   :-)

>That person could then say 
>whether it was a hit or miss.
>Oooooooh, this could be fun!
>Yours interestingly 
>Jim

Your suggestion is certainly better than most but is probably only of
use to the people here. Not as "objective" proof. However, that may 
be all that you required.    :-)

Regards, John.

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From: J L Williams <j.l.williams@zetnet.co.uk>
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The message <36f33aa2.19104126@news.melbpc.org.au>
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> On Wed, 10 Mar 1999 11:30:11 GMT, J L Williams
> <j.l.williams@zetnet.co.uk> wrote:

> Hi Jim, 

Hi John

> < snip >

> >Well I like this idea as well so what about it? Anyone like a challenge?
> >If anyone would like to obe/RV me here and attempt to describe the 
> >room I am in at a predetermined time then you would be made most 
> >welcome :) Astral tea and cakes aplenty! I wonder who might make the 
> >most complete and correct description? If anyone is game I would be 
> >willing to send a description to one in the group before hand to act 
> >as referee. 

> Excellent idea. 

> >Perhaps to the most skeptical? 

> An even better idea.   < he he >  

Somehow you come to mind John, dunno why! ;)

> However one would need someone who was not only skeptical but honest
> as well. Some skeptics are so against the idea of OOBs that they would
> refuse to acknowledge even a 100% "hit rate". 

> Also, the possible accusation of "collusion" comes to mind here.   :-)

Mmmmmm, still have you in mind.....;)

> >That person could then say 
> >whether it was a hit or miss.
> >Oooooooh, this could be fun!
> >Yours interestingly 
> >Jim

> Your suggestion is certainly better than most but is probably only of
> use to the people here.

Yes, that was the idea. I have no desire to prove it to outsiders.

>Not as "objective" proof. However, that may 
> be all that you required.    :-)

Certainly see above.
For those that have been following the thread I regard this as a bit 
of fun. I regard it as being useful to, and will encourage, the 
inexperienced, the lurkers and the newbies. I am interested in 
passive research if that is a correct description.
For instance Clairity, I would ask you what sort of picture did you 
have of Jeffs room? Was it in detail or vague fractal images? TV type 
colour (color), B&W, blue & White, orange & white or what? How was 
the trip set out did you travel, float around the room blah blah blah ?

The most oft quoted saying that I like is "He that never made a 
mistake, never made anything" or words to that effect :) And here the 
only expense is your time. Lets enjoy it and to heck with the hecklers ;)

I have not said anything on this net which indicates the content of 
the room in mind. Nope, not a dicky bird, and if looking at recent 
posts it has yet to be decorated in this years spring-clean! So this 
should and would be fun! No prizes-just your own satisfaction of 
knowing that you had a go. It does not matter if it is a complete 
missssssssssss :) Frankly I like them but thats another story :)
This could be repeated for anybody else with a room to view, and I 
don't mind if I miss or hit but as long as we detail our findings I 
am sure we would enjoy it and others experiences and have something 
of value at the end.
Phew........have I gone on a bit? SSSSSooooorrrryy    :} <sickly grin>
Jim (Just getting into his stride!)
PS apologies John, but I do enjoy a good thread.

> Regards, John.

>  ****************************************************
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From: clairity@webtv.net
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In article <1999031221060775767@zetnet.co.uk>,
  J L Williams <j.l.williams@zetnet.co.uk> wrote:
> The message <36f33aa2.19104126@news.melbpc.org.au>
>   from  johnf@melbpc.org.au (John Fitzsimons) contains these words:
>
> > On Wed, 10 Mar 1999 11:30:11 GMT, J L Williams
> > <j.l.williams@zetnet.co.uk> wrote:

> > Hi Jim,

> Hi John

Hi Jim!

> > < snip >

> > >Well I like this idea as well so what about it? Anyone like a challenge?
> > >If anyone would like to obe/RV me here and attempt to describe the
> > >room I am in at a predetermined time then you would be made most
> > >welcome :) Astral tea and cakes aplenty! I wonder who might make the
> > >most complete and correct description? If anyone is game I would be
> > >willing to send a description to one in the group before hand to act
> > >as referee.

> > Excellent idea.

> > >Perhaps to the most skeptical?

> > An even better idea.   < he he >

> Somehow you come to mind John, dunno why! ;)

> > However one would need someone who was not only skeptical but honest
> > as well. Some skeptics are so against the idea of OOBs that they would
> > refuse to acknowledge even a 100% "hit rate".

> > Also, the possible accusation of "collusion" comes to mind here.   :-)

> Mmmmmm, still have you in mind.....;)

LOL!

> > >That person could then say
> > >whether it was a hit or miss.
> > >Oooooooh, this could be fun!
> > >Yours interestingly
> > >Jim

> > Your suggestion is certainly better than most but is probably only of
> > use to the people here.

> Yes, that was the idea. I have no desire to prove it to outsiders.

Neither do I..

> >Not as "objective" proof. However, that may
> > be all that you required.    :-)

> Certainly see above.
> For those that have been following the thread I regard this as a bit
> of fun. I regard it as being useful to, and will encourage, the
> inexperienced, the lurkers and the newbies. I am interested in
> passive research if that is a correct description.
> For instance Clairity, I would ask you what sort of picture did you
> have of Jeffs room? Was it in detail or vague fractal images? TV type
> colour (color), B&W, blue & White, orange & white or what? How was
> the trip set out did you travel, float around the room blah blah blah ?

Jim, if you're asking about the picture that I studied before my attempt.. it
was a color picture of JUST Jeff from the waist up. There is very little
background in the picture and no background images that I can make out. I
have NEVER seen a picture of Jeff's room nor had he any idea that I was
actually going to try to visit him.. he mentioned it in jest and I simply
decided to try. We had never previously discussed where he lived, who he
lived with or the condition of his room.  I simply downloaded his picture
from his JokeMail website and used it. I think that's why he posted my
results to the newsgroup.. he was simply so surprised by the whole thing.

If you're asking about how his room appeared to me during my visit, I
remember it being in very "real life" color (almost to the point of "lucid"
color). I felt very *there* if that makes any sense at all.

As to how I traveled.. I rode there on the back of a big purple cartoon genie
(how embarrassing!) and once I got to his room, I floated (I have no
recollection of my feet ever touching the ground).

> The most oft quoted saying that I like is "He that never made a
> mistake, never made anything" or words to that effect :) And here the
> only expense is your time. Lets enjoy it and to heck with the hecklers ;)
>
> I have not said anything on this net which indicates the content of
> the room in mind. Nope, not a dicky bird, and if looking at recent
> posts it has yet to be decorated in this years spring-clean! So this
> should and would be fun! No prizes-just your own satisfaction of
> knowing that you had a go. It does not matter if it is a complete
> missssssssssss :) Frankly I like them but thats another story :)
> This could be repeated for anybody else with a room to view, and I
> don't mind if I miss or hit but as long as we detail our findings I
> am sure we would enjoy it and others experiences and have something
> of value at the end.
> Phew........have I gone on a bit? SSSSSooooorrrryy    :} <sickly grin>
> Jim (Just getting into his stride!)
> PS apologies John, but I do enjoy a good thread.

Jim, sounds like fun!

Clairity   (.. hey wait a minute.. did he say NO prizes ?!?!)

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From: J L Williams <j.l.williams@zetnet.co.uk>
Newsgroups: alt.out-of-body
Subject: Re: Julia flew to Florida...
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> In article <1999031221060775767@zetnet.co.uk>,
>   J L Williams <j.l.williams@zetnet.co.uk> wrote:
> > The message <36f33aa2.19104126@news.melbpc.org.au>
> >   from  johnf@melbpc.org.au (John Fitzsimons) contains these words:
> >
> > > On Wed, 10 Mar 1999 11:30:11 GMT, J L Williams
> > > <j.l.williams@zetnet.co.uk> wrote:

<snipped>

 I am interested in
> > passive research if that is a correct description.
> > For instance Clairity, I would ask you what sort of picture did you
> > have of Jeffs room? 
<snipped>

> Jim, if you're asking about the picture that I studied before my attempt..

No, I saw that it was a picture of Jeff.
<snipped>

> If you're asking about how his room appeared to me during my visit,

Yes, that's it :)

> I
> remember it being in very "real life" color (almost to the point of "lucid"
> color). I felt very *there* if that makes any sense at all.

Yes, it makes sense to me and gives  me a fuller picture (pardon the 
non intended pun :)) of your experience. In the early stages of 
anything new to me I learn far more from others experiences than I 
can from my own so it is important to get as much detail as possible. 
*Thinks....I must start a new thread on vision in our experiences*

> As to how I traveled.. 

No, I did get this from your report. Yes quite funny but 
embarrassing? NO! We all grow up someday teh heh :) (Sooooorrrryyyy 
Clairity, couldn't help myself :))

> and once I got to his room, I floated (I have no
> recollection of my feet ever touching the ground).

Mmmmmmm, that was what I meant. People usually do not include these 
details. Perhaps it goes without saying, if so then I am missing 
something. OR, perhaps it makes the post way toooooo long? My last 
one I flew to destination but walked when I got there. Think I may 
have gone LD then.
<snip>

>  So this
> > should and would be fun! No prizes-just your own satisfaction of
> > knowing that you had a go.
<snipped>

> Jim, sounds like fun!

> Clairity   (.. hey wait a minute.. did he say NO prizes ?!?!)

Oh, sooooooorrryyyyy! ;-( I do not want you to think I am an 'ole 
meaney! Prizes *will* now be organised. Each and every successful 
visitor can pick up their *Certificate of Successful Visitation To 
The County Of East Sussex* whilst obe. It must then be taken to, and 
signed by, the official scrutineer (yet to volunteer) to be validated 
(also when obe) ;-)
If anyone wants a likeness ( ;-) ) of me to help tune in, I believe 
there is a mugshot still on the groups sign in thingy set up last 
year. Now, how about next weekend? Are you plus/minus GMT? I am 
usually overcome with tiredness (mmmmmm cannot keep awake :)) between 
12.00 midnight and 06.00 in the morning GMT. 
Regards
Jim


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