From: Clairity@webtv.net (Clairity) Newsgroups: alt.out-of-body Subject: Well Now I'm Curious! Date: Mon, 22 Feb 1999 17:55:55 -0600 (CST) Organization: WebTV Subscriber Lines: 23 Message-ID: <15782-36D1EE8B-58@newsd-102.iap.bryant.webtv.net> NNTP-Posting-Host: localhost.webtv.net Mime-Version: 1.0 (WebTV) Content-Type: Text/Plain; Charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7Bit X-WebTV-Signature: 1 ETAsAhQI7gLeaqjUJhPoaXAe3JG1Sjz0DAIUP+N2N3MEf68VlovQbm/6TkI1A/0= Content-Disposition: Inline Path: chonsp.franklin.ch!pfaff.ethz.ch!news-zh.switch.ch!newsfeed-zh.ip-plus.net!news.ip-plus.net!News.Amsterdam.UnisourceCS!masternews.telia.net!newsfeed.direct.ca!su-news-hub1.bbnplanet.com!su-news-feed4.bbnplanet.com!news.gtei.net!webtv.net!not-for-mail Hi all! I've kind of noticed a trend here based on some of the responses that I recevied to my Underground Pool post. I seemed to have hit a familiar chord when I mentioned being a loner (lonely) and using a vivid imagination to help me cope as a few of you responded back with similar experiences.. So now I'd like to do a little survey if I might. I'm curious to determine if those of us who have had (or who desire to have) OOBEs have similar *emotional* backgrounds. Question 1: Were you a loner (or lonely) child? Since going OOB is normally a very *solitary* experience the results to this question should be interesting. Question 2: Do you have a Very Vivid Imagination (VVI) , a Somewhat Vivid Imagination (SVI) or Very Little Imagination (VLI)? I'll go first! ------------------------------------------------------------- Clairity: Q1) Yes Q2. VVI ###### From: Ken S. Newsgroups: alt.out-of-body Subject: Re: Well Now I'm Curious! Date: 22 Feb 1999 18:58:38 PST Organization: Concentric Internet Services Lines: 18 Message-ID: <36d518c2.261256897@news.ke9nr.org> References: <15782-36D1EE8B-58@newsd-102.iap.bryant.webtv.net> NNTP-Posting-Host: ts004d18.las-nv.concentric.net Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Newsreader: Forte Agent 1.5/32.452 Path: chonsp.franklin.ch!pfaff.ethz.ch!news-zh.switch.ch!news-ge.switch.ch!enews.sgi.com!newsfeed.berkeley.edu!newsfeed.concentric.net!global-news-master Hi Clairity - On Mon, 22 Feb 1999 17:55:55 -0600 (CST), Clairity@webtv.net (Clairity) wrote: >Question 1: Were you a loner (or lonely) child? >Since going OOB is normally a very *solitary* experience the results to >this question should be interesting. Yes, and still. >Question 2: Do you have a Very Vivid Imagination (VVI) , a Somewhat >Vivid Imagination (SVI) or Very Little Imagination (VLI)? Compared to what? Probably VVI. The Other Ken http://www.ke9nr.org/ ###### Message-ID: <36D22123.5E24F67@privatei.com> From: The Original Ken Organization: As disorganized as possible X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.04 [en] (Win95; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 Newsgroups: alt.out-of-body Subject: Re: Well Now I'm Curious! References: <15782-36D1EE8B-58@newsd-102.iap.bryant.webtv.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Lines: 35 Date: Mon, 22 Feb 1999 20:31:47 -0700 NNTP-Posting-Host: 208.203.136.190 X-Trace: wormhole.dimensional.com 919740755 208.203.136.190 (Mon, 22 Feb 1999 20:32:35 MDT) NNTP-Posting-Date: Mon, 22 Feb 1999 20:32:35 MDT Path: chonsp.franklin.ch!pfaff.ethz.ch!news-zh.switch.ch!news-ge.switch.ch!isdnet!nntp.abs.net!chippy.visi.com!news-out.visi.com!wormhole.dimensional.com!not-for-mail Clairity wrote: > > Hi all! I've kind of noticed a trend here based on some of the > responses that I recevied to my Underground Pool post. > > I seemed to have hit a familiar chord when I mentioned being a loner > (lonely) and using a vivid imagination to help me cope as a few of you > responded back with similar experiences.. > > So now I'd like to do a little survey if I might. I'm curious to > determine if those of us who have had (or who desire to have) OOBEs > have similar *emotional* backgrounds. > > Question 1: Were you a loner (or lonely) child? > Since going OOB is normally a very *solitary* experience the results to > this question should be interesting. Yes. When I was in grade school, my brother constantly stole my new friends away from me. He was a more entertaining, outgoing person, and I was introverted. > > Question 2: Do you have a Very Vivid Imagination (VVI) , a Somewhat > Vivid Imagination (SVI) or Very Little Imagination (VLI)? VVI Ken > > I'll go first! > ------------------------------------------------------------- > > Clairity: Q1) Yes Q2. VVI > O' Ken yes VVI ###### From: "Rebecca Drew" Newsgroups: alt.out-of-body References: <15782-36D1EE8B-58@newsd-102.iap.bryant.webtv.net> Subject: Re: Well Now I'm Curious! Lines: 29 X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.3110.1 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.3110.3 Message-ID: Date: Mon, 22 Feb 1999 20:40:36 -0500 NNTP-Posting-Host: 204.248.217.22 X-Trace: news.goodnet.com 919733897 204.248.217.22 (Mon, 22 Feb 1999 18:38:17 MDT) NNTP-Posting-Date: Mon, 22 Feb 1999 18:38:17 MDT Path: chonsp.franklin.ch!pfaff.ethz.ch!news-zh.switch.ch!news-ge.switch.ch!news.maxwell.syr.edu!newsfeed.berkeley.edu!su-news-hub1.bbnplanet.com!news.gtei.net!news.winstar.net!winstar!news.good.net!news.phoenix.good.net!news.goodnet.com!not-for-mail Clairity wrote in message <15782-36D1EE8B-58@newsd-102.iap.bryant.webtv.net>... >I seemed to have hit a familiar chord when I mentioned being a loner >(lonely) and using a vivid imagination to help me cope as a few of you >responded back with similar experiences.. Hi, Clairity, Yep, you struck a cord . ( Even some tears sneaked into my eyes when I read your post, and I'm not one for pitty parties. ) I was the "runt" ;-) of the family. My older AND my younger sister "ganged up" on me. The barn cats were my friends. As far as imagination I was often reprimanded in school for daydreaming and/or doodling. When I started my funny little business (Clay Critters) people told me I should get a REAL job. BUT, even tho' I dreamed all night as a kid, I still didn't have an LD or OBE until age 38 . . . Rebecca Q# 1: Yes Q#2: VVI ###### From: hawksmoor@dial.pipex.com (Julia Hawkes-Moore) Newsgroups: alt.out-of-body Subject: Re: Well Now I'm Curious! Date: Tue, 23 Feb 1999 08:09:37 GMT Organization: UUNET WorldCom server (post doesn't reflect views of UUNET WorldCom) Lines: 17 Message-ID: <36d2617e.5283235@news.dial.pipex.com> References: <15782-36D1EE8B-58@newsd-102.iap.bryant.webtv.net> NNTP-Posting-Host: aa168.du.pipex.com X-Newsreader: Forte Free Agent 1.1/16.230 Path: chonsp.franklin.ch!pfaff.ethz.ch!news-zh.switch.ch!news-ge.switch.ch!news.belnet.be!newsgate.cistron.nl!het.net!news-feed.inet.tele.dk!bofh.vszbr.cz!newsfeed.nacamar.de!newsfeed.nacamar.de!rill.news.pipex.net!pipex!bore.news.pipex.net!pipex!not-for-mail On Mon, 22 Feb 1999 17:55:55 -0600 (CST), Clairity@webtv.net (Clairity) wrote: >Question 1: Were you a loner (or lonely) child? >Since going OOB is normally a very *solitary* experience the results to >this question should be interesting. > >Question 2: Do you have a Very Vivid Imagination (VVI) , a Somewhat >Vivid Imagination (SVI) or Very Little Imagination (VLI)? Q1: Yes Q2: VVI I better not add any more, or I will get flamed by that nasty little man for my 'loony posts'. See how the loners get picked off even when they are trying to communicate by answering other people's direct questions to them? Take care of yourselves, Julia HM. ###### From: "Mike Ross" Newsgroups: alt.out-of-body Subject: Re: Well Now I'm Curious! Date: Tue, 23 Feb 1999 09:06:55 -0000 Organization: The University of York, UK Lines: 33 Sender: mr102@york.ac.uk Message-ID: <7atquf$arn$1@pump1.york.ac.uk> References: <15782-36D1EE8B-58@newsd-102.iap.bryant.webtv.net> NNTP-Posting-Host: donnard.ohm.york.ac.uk X-Trace: pump1.york.ac.uk 919760655 11127 144.32.136.126 (23 Feb 1999 09:04:15 GMT) X-Complaints-To: abuse@york.ac.uk NNTP-Posting-Date: 23 Feb 1999 09:04:15 GMT X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.3110.5 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.3110.3 Path: chonsp.franklin.ch!pfaff.ethz.ch!news-zh.switch.ch!news-ge.switch.ch!news.belnet.be!news-feed.inet.tele.dk!bofh.vszbr.cz!nntp.news.xara.net!xara.net!server5.netnews.ja.net!news.york.ac.uk!not-for-mail Q1: Yep, and I still like a lot of time to myself and in the company of very close friends Q2: A very vivid imagination (too vivid at times). (I am contemplating writing a book) Clairity wrote in message <15782-36D1EE8B-58@newsd-102.iap.bryant.webtv.net>... Hi all! I've kind of noticed a trend here based on some of the responses that I recevied to my Underground Pool post. I seemed to have hit a familiar chord when I mentioned being a loner (lonely) and using a vivid imagination to help me cope as a few of you responded back with similar experiences.. So now I'd like to do a little survey if I might. I'm curious to determine if those of us who have had (or who desire to have) OOBEs have similar *emotional* backgrounds. Question 1: Were you a loner (or lonely) child? Since going OOB is normally a very *solitary* experience the results to this question should be interesting. Question 2: Do you have a Very Vivid Imagination (VVI) , a Somewhat Vivid Imagination (SVI) or Very Little Imagination (VLI)? I'll go first! ------------------------------------------------------------- Clairity: Q1) Yes Q2. VVI ###### From: "Bart" Newsgroups: alt.out-of-body Subject: Re: Well Now I'm Curious! Date: Tue, 23 Feb 1999 09:22:26 -0500 Organization: Netcom Lines: 26 Message-ID: <7audc2$q03@dfw-ixnews5.ix.netcom.com> References: <15782-36D1EE8B-58@newsd-102.iap.bryant.webtv.net> <36D22123.5E24F67@privatei.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: clv-oh43-46.ix.netcom.com X-NETCOM-Date: Tue Feb 23 8:18:42 AM CST 1999 X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.3110.1 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.3110.3 Path: chonsp.franklin.ch!pfaff.ethz.ch!news-zh.switch.ch!news-ge.switch.ch!feed2.news.luth.se!luth.se!news-peer-europe.sprintlink.net!news.sprintlink.net!Sprint!netnews.com!ix.netcom.com!news >> Question 1: Were you a loner (or lonely) child? >> Since going OOB is normally a very *solitary* experience the results to >> this question should be interesting. Quite. In fact, I use to make tents out of furniture and blankets and sit in there all by myself for long periods of time fantasizing about being totally alone - catching my own food, and living with the dolphins, etc. My mother didn't like that. I think she thought I was in there masterbating (which never even crossed my mind at that age). But I couldn't tell her that I was really thinking that my entire family had died and I was left alone - happily... Funny, now I'm older and I look around me... That's almost the exact position I'm in right now. >> Question 2: Do you have a Very Vivid Imagination (VVI) , a Somewhat >> Vivid Imagination (SVI) or Very Little Imagination (VLI)? V V I Bart ###### From: lawgiver@csd.auth.gr (Panayiotis) Newsgroups: alt.out-of-body Subject: Re: Well Now I'm Curious! Date: Tue, 23 Feb 1999 12:39:02 GMT Organization: Central Computing Facility, Aristotle University of Thessaloniki Lines: 103 Message-ID: <36d29fa8.5940442@news.auth.gr> References: <15782-36D1EE8B-58@newsd-102.iap.bryant.webtv.net> NNTP-Posting-Host: poseidi-ppp4.ccf.auth.gr X-Newsreader: Forte Free Agent 1.11/32.235 Path: chonsp.franklin.ch!pfaff.ethz.ch!news-zh.switch.ch!news-ge.switch.ch!news.grnet.gr!news.auth.gr!not-for-mail Hello Clairity! (If you're just interested in simple answers to the 2 questions look at the summary below, but I'd appreciate it if you take the time to read what I'm saying about myself :-) On Mon, 22 Feb 1999 17:55:55 -0600 (CST), Clairity@webtv.net (Clairity) wrote: >Hi all! I've kind of noticed a trend here based on some of the >responses that I recevied to my Underground Pool post. > I too was imagining being a hero. Surely it must have been many heroes. The one I remember was a guy named "BJ Petrol". I was something like hero from an action movie. I had a machine gun to shoot at criminals etc. I wasn't evil! :-) >I seemed to have hit a familiar chord when I mentioned being a loner >(lonely) and using a vivid imagination to help me cope as a few of you >responded back with similar experiences.. > >So now I'd like to do a little survey if I might. I'm curious to >determine if those of us who have had (or who desire to have) OOBEs >have similar *emotional* backgrounds. > >Question 1: Were you a loner (or lonely) child? >Since going OOB is normally a very *solitary* experience the results to >this question should be interesting. > Yes. I was quite shy when I was younger. My life in the age of 12 to 17 was quite bad for me. I was unhappy and disappointed from life. I got very introverted and maybe "pathetic" to the evil the other kids would give me. I was very lonely with no friends at all. That part of my life is painted black and I don't want to remember it. I almost never do. I think that I feel like my life has begun in the age of 18... the years before it seem so distant to me... and I don't want to think of them. Although now I realise that the misery I had then has helped me in being who I am and maybe otherwise I would have been more arrogant, selfish or shallow person. I thank God for that misery, it helped me... although the scarrs inside of me still exist and I don't know if they will be healed. I still feel unhappy in my life, but now it's not because there are problems in my real life or because I'm tortured by others. I don't know why I am unhappy! I have a pretty good life now, a girl, the uni... but I feel there's an emptiness inside of me. And lately I found this NG and started seeking spirituality... I have a very strong feeling inside of me that this is what I want, and that it will fill me. I see changes in my life now, only a couple of months after I started reading this NG and related articles around the internet. But anyway, I got a bit off-topic... Yes I was a loner! >Question 2: Do you have a Very Vivid Imagination (VVI) , a Somewhat >Vivid Imagination (SVI) or Very Little Imagination (VLI)? > I think I'd say VVI. Ahhh... here's another advantage of that misery I had... I was visualizing things, scenes, I had a very vivid imagination... unfortunately when my life started going good I stopped mostof this :-( I want it back though. I am trying to return to the spiritual self of me that is hidden inside of me because of my newer self with the happy life. I want to be *me*, all aspects of myself. And I want my spiritual self to be the most active part of me! Well once again I started writting off-topic... forgive me! :-) Yes I'd say I have a VVI. :-) To summarize: SUMMARY: ========================================================== >Question 1: Were you a loner (or lonely) child? >Since going OOB is normally a very *solitary* experience the results to >this question should be interesting. 1) Yes >Question 2: Do you have a Very Vivid Imagination (VVI) , a Somewhat >Vivid Imagination (SVI) or Very Little Imagination (VLI)? 2) VVI ========================================================== >I'll go first! >------------------------------------------------------------- > >Clairity: Q1) Yes Q2. VVI > I think this is what most of us will answer :-) It was anice idea of you Clairity to begin this "survey"! BTW, I love reading your posts and you're one of my favorites in this NG! I'm really happy I found this NG and have some people to talk with! Or just read their experiences. Love for all, Panayiotis ###### From: "Lone Wolf" Newsgroups: alt.out-of-body Subject: Re: Well Now I'm Curious! Date: Tue, 23 Feb 1999 14:34:11 +1000 Organization: Customer of OzEmail/Access One Pty Ltd, Melbourne, Australia Lines: 15 Message-ID: <7ata2a$17u$1@news.mel.aone.net.au> References: <15782-36D1EE8B-58@newsd-102.iap.bryant.webtv.net> NNTP-Posting-Host: d214-1.cpe.townsville.aone.net.au X-Trace: news.mel.aone.net.au 919743370 1278 203.61.32.214 (23 Feb 1999 04:16:10 GMT) NNTP-Posting-Date: 23 Feb 1999 04:16:10 GMT X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.3110.5 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.3110.3 Path: chonsp.franklin.ch!pfaff.ethz.ch!news-zh.switch.ch!news-ge.switch.ch!news.maxwell.syr.edu!newsfeed.direct.ca!newsfeed.concentric.net!news.mel.aone.net.au!newsfeed-in.aone.net.au!not-for-mail Clairity wrote in message <15782-36D1EE8B-58@newsd-102.iap.bryant.webtv.net>... I was (am) a loner. In my younger years, I lived 30km out of town. But I really enjoy the solitude. I can't stand normal human beheivour for long periods of time. I need time to myself. ------------------------------------------------------------- Clairity: Q1) Yes Q2. VVI Wolfy: Q1. Yes Q2. VVI Yet to have an OOBE. ###### Message-ID: <36D2E344.AD11B34C@netparadise.no> Date: Tue, 23 Feb 1999 17:20:04 +0000 From: Lars Foleide X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.5 [en] (WinNT; I) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 Newsgroups: alt.out-of-body Subject: Re: Well Now I'm Curious! References: <15782-36D1EE8B-58@newsd-102.iap.bryant.webtv.net> <36d518c2.261256897@news.ke9nr.org> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit NNTP-Posting-Host: t8o204p32.telia.com X-NNTP-Posting-Host: t8o204p32.telia.com Lines: 22 X-Complaints-To: abuse@telia.no Path: chonsp.franklin.ch!pfaff.ethz.ch!news-zh.switch.ch!news-ge.switch.ch!news.belnet.be!news-feed.inet.tele.dk!bofh.vszbr.cz!masternews.telia.net!newsfeed1.telia.no!d2o204.telia.com!t8o204p32.telia.com > On Mon, 22 Feb 1999 17:55:55 -0600 (CST), Clairity@webtv.net > (Clairity) wrote: > > Question 1: Were you a loner (or lonely) child? > Since going OOB is normally a very *solitary* experience the results to > this question should be interesting. No, have always been a lot with my neighbors and still am. Only problems is that most of my friends are one year younger than me, so I didn't have that many close friends in school. Though, I have always gone on the same school as my neighbors, so no big deal... > Question 2: Do you have a Very Vivid Imagination (VVI) , a Somewhat > Vivid Imagination (SVI) or Very Little Imagination (VLI)? VVI.. So my problem is too focused on computers and having too many friends... Oh well, there is nothing more important than good friends... ###### Path: chonsp.franklin.ch!usenet From: Neil Franklin Newsgroups: alt.out-of-body Subject: Re: Well Now I'm Curious! Date: 23 Feb 1999 21:58:49 +0100 Organization: My own Private Self Lines: 27 Sender: neil@chonsp.franklin.ch Message-ID: References: <15782-36D1EE8B-58@newsd-102.iap.bryant.webtv.net> X-Newsreader: Gnus v5.3/Emacs 19.34 Clairity@webtv.net (Clairity) writes: > > Question 1: Were you a loner (or lonely) child? > Since going OOB is normally a very *solitary* experience the results to > this question should be interesting. Definitively. I am an first child (sister 2 1/4 years younger). And move to an foreign language country at 6 1/2 years. Was allways outsider at shool. Prefered the library to socialising. Today prefer Internetting to watching tV with family. > Question 2: Do you have a Very Vivid Imagination (VVI) , a Somewhat > Vivid Imagination (SVI) or Very Little Imagination (VLI)? Very vivid. Go off into daydreams since being a small child. That is actually my biggest OBE trouble. I go to bed, want to OBE, get distracted by an daydream, fall to sleep, wake up next day and another OBE attempt has failled. :-( -- Neil Franklin, Nerd, Geek, Unix Guru, Hacker, Mystic neil@franklin.ch.remove http://neil.franklin.ch/ Programming: when you stop hammering around on the computer as if it were a piece of dumb matter and instead tell it what to do for you ###### From: Joel-STL@webtv.net (Joel Thornton) Newsgroups: alt.out-of-body Subject: Re: Well Now I'm Curious! Date: Tue, 23 Feb 1999 15:15:05 -0600 (CST) Organization: WebTV Subscriber Lines: 6 Message-ID: <27852-36D31A59-36@newsd-174.iap.bryant.webtv.net> References: <15782-36D1EE8B-58@newsd-102.iap.bryant.webtv.net> NNTP-Posting-Host: localhost.webtv.net Mime-Version: 1.0 (WebTV) Content-Type: Text/Plain; Charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7Bit X-WebTV-Signature: 1 ETAuAhUAmZBU+EQJRnstkKScqaForlxMoNQCFQC8uT7Ty9a66cpfS889z65Br7t6eA== Content-Disposition: Inline Path: chonsp.franklin.ch!pfaff.ethz.ch!news-zh.switch.ch!news-ge.switch.ch!news.belnet.be!newsfeed.ecrc.net!newsfeed.berkeley.edu!newsfeed.concentric.net!webtv.net!not-for-mail Q1) Yes... I'm still a kid, though :-) Q2) Very Vivid Imagination Joel ###### From: J L Williams Newsgroups: alt.out-of-body Subject: Re: Well Now I'm Curious! Date: Tue, 23 Feb 1999 20:03:46 GMT Lines: 29 Message-ID: <1999022320034675767@zetnet.co.uk> References: <15782-36D1EE8B-58@newsd-102.iap.bryant.webtv.net> NNTP-Posting-Host: user-10003900.zetnet.co.uk X-Mailer: ZIMACS Version 1.20c 10003900 Path: chonsp.franklin.ch!pfaff.ethz.ch!news-zh.switch.ch!news-ge.switch.ch!news.belnet.be!news-feed.inet.tele.dk!bofh.vszbr.cz!news-lond.gip.net!news.gsl.net!gip.net!newspeer.clara.net!news.clara.net!peer.news.zetnet.net!zetnet.co.uk!user-10003900.zetnet.co.uk!not-for-mail The message <15782-36D1EE8B-58@newsd-102.iap.bryant.webtv.net> from Clairity@webtv.net (Clairity) contains these words: Hi Clairity, glad to see you back in the saddle so to speak :) > Question 1: Were you a loner (or lonely) child? > Since going OOB is normally a very *solitary* experience the results to > this question should be interesting. A loner definately, lonely - never! Had seven of us, thank goodness no more of us! > Question 2: Do you have a Very Vivid Imagination (VVI) , a Somewhat > Vivid Imagination (SVI) or Very Little Imagination (VLI)? A VVI (whey hey!) Regards Jim > I'll go first! > ------------------------------------------------------------- > Clairity: Q1) Yes Q2. VVI ###### Message-ID: <36D38005.3499@cwcom.net> Date: Tue, 23 Feb 1999 20:28:53 -0800 From: Philip Potter X-Mailer: Mozilla 3.0 (Win16; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 Subject: Re: Well Now I'm Curious! References: <15782-36D1EE8B-58@newsd-102.iap.bryant.webtv.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Newsgroups: alt.out-of-body Lines: 3 Path: chonsp.franklin.ch!pfaff.ethz.ch!news-zh.switch.ch!news-ge.switch.ch!newscore.univie.ac.at!news-spur1.maxwell.syr.edu!news.maxwell.syr.edu!newsfeed.ecrc.net!arl-news-svc-3.compuserve.com!news-master.compuserve.com!nntp-ntdwwaaw.compuserve.com 1) Yes 2) VVI when it comes to sounds, smells or tastes, SVI for other senses. ###### From: in@my.sig (Diane) Newsgroups: alt.out-of-body Subject: Re: Well Now I'm Curious! Reply-To: in@my.sig Message-ID: <36d31e63.33089865@news.i-plus.net> References: <15782-36D1EE8B-58@newsd-102.iap.bryant.webtv.net> X-Newsreader: Forte Agent 1.5/16.451 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Lines: 47 Date: Tue, 23 Feb 1999 21:39:43 GMT NNTP-Posting-Host: 209.100.24.122 X-Complaints-To: Abuse Role , We Care X-Trace: monger.newsread.com 919805924 209.100.24.122 (Tue, 23 Feb 1999 16:38:44 EDT) NNTP-Posting-Date: Tue, 23 Feb 1999 16:38:44 EDT Organization: iPlus Internet Services (i-Plus.net) Path: chonsp.franklin.ch!pfaff.ethz.ch!news-zh.switch.ch!news-ge.switch.ch!isdnet!howland.erols.net!nntp.abs.net!feeder.qis.net!news-toy.newsread.com!netaxs.com!newsread.com!monger.newsread.com.POSTED!not-for-mail Clairity@webtv.net (Clairity) wrote on Mon, 22 Feb 1999 17:55:55 -0600 (CST): >Hi all! I've kind of noticed a trend here based on some of the >responses that I recevied to my Underground Pool post. > >I seemed to have hit a familiar chord when I mentioned being a loner >(lonely) and using a vivid imagination to help me cope as a few of you >responded back with similar experiences.. > >So now I'd like to do a little survey if I might. I'm curious to >determine if those of us who have had (or who desire to have) OOBEs >have similar *emotional* backgrounds. > >Question 1: Were you a loner (or lonely) child? >Since going OOB is normally a very *solitary* experience the results to >this question should be interesting. > I was and still am a loner. Although I usually had one good friend, I always loved to be by myself. In school it was hard being this way. I was embarassed to be seen sitting all by myself, only because I thought the others would think I wasn't that way by choice. I always wished i could just become invisible; then I could do as i pleased, all by myself, and no one would ever notice me. I still wish that at times :-) >Question 2: Do you have a Very Vivid Imagination (VVI) , a Somewhat >Vivid Imagination (SVI) or Very Little Imagination (VLI)? > V V I. Over-active imagination, I call it. I should mention that I have yet to get oob, but I've come soooo close several times. I wonder if we are all/most like this because when people are by themselves, they tend to think more deeply (imo). We, being loners, have had the time to really search our souls and think about things other people couldn't imagine. Just my opinion :-) Diane cafal at yahoo dot com >I'll go first! >------------------------------------------------------------- > >Clairity: Q1) Yes Q2. VVI ###### From: Gunnar Ljungstrand Newsgroups: alt.out-of-body Subject: Re: Well Now I'm Curious! Date: Tue, 23 Feb 1999 22:24:37 +0100 Organization: Telenordia Lines: 18 Message-ID: <36D31C95.93203E44@algonet.se> References: <15782-36D1EE8B-58@newsd-102.iap.bryant.webtv.net> Reply-To: dervak@algonet.se NNTP-Posting-Host: du16-91.ppp.algonet.se Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Trace: zingo.tninet.se 919805018 18880 195.100.91.16 (23 Feb 1999 21:23:38 GMT) X-Complaints-To: abuse@algo.net NNTP-Posting-Date: 23 Feb 1999 21:23:38 GMT X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.5 [en] (WinNT; I) X-Accept-Language: sv,en Path: chonsp.franklin.ch!pfaff.ethz.ch!news-zh.switch.ch!news-ge.switch.ch!newscore.univie.ac.at!newsfeed.ecrc.net!news.algonet.se!algonet!pepsi.tninet.se!not-for-mail On Mon, 22 Feb 1999 17:55:55 -0600 (CST), Clairity@webtv.net (Clairity) wrote: >Question 1: Were you a loner (or lonely) child? >Since going OOB is normally a very *solitary* experience the results to >this question should be interesting. Yes. >Question 2: Do you have a Very Vivid Imagination (VVI) , a Somewhat >Vivid Imagination (SVI) or Very Little Imagination (VLI)? VVI. Almost too much for my own good. ;-) See you out there... /Gunnar ###### From: clairity@webtv.net Newsgroups: alt.out-of-body Subject: Re: Well Now I'm Curious! Date: Tue, 23 Feb 1999 23:55:37 GMT Organization: Deja News - The Leader in Internet Discussion Lines: 140 Message-ID: <7avf5l$ate$1@nnrp1.dejanews.com> References: <15782-36D1EE8B-58@newsd-102.iap.bryant.webtv.net> <36d29fa8.5940442@news.auth.gr> NNTP-Posting-Host: 32.101.18.15 X-Article-Creation-Date: Tue Feb 23 23:55:37 1999 GMT X-Http-User-Agent: Mozilla/3.01 (Win95; I) X-Http-Proxy: 1.0 x9.dejanews.com:80 (Squid/1.1.22) for client 32.101.18.15 Path: chonsp.franklin.ch!pfaff.ethz.ch!news-zh.switch.ch!newsfeed-zh.ip-plus.net!news.ip-plus.net!News.Amsterdam.UnisourceCS!skynet.be!isdnet!newsfeed.cwix.com!204.238.120.130!news-feeds.jump.net!nntp2.dejanews.com!nnrp1.dejanews.com!not-for-mail In article <36d29fa8.5940442@news.auth.gr>, lawgiver@csd.auth.gr (Panayiotis) wrote: > Hello Clairity! Hello Panayiotis! > (If you're just interested in simple answers to the 2 questions look > at the summary below, but I'd appreciate it if you take the time to > read what I'm saying about myself :-) > >On Mon, 22 Feb 1999 17:55:55 -0600 (CST), Clairity@webtv.net > >(Clairity) wrote: > >Hi all! I've kind of noticed a trend here based on some of the > >responses that I recevied to my Underground Pool post. > I too was imagining being a hero. Surely it must have been many > heroes. The one I remember was a guy named "BJ Petrol". I was > something like hero from an action movie. I had a machine gun to shoot > at criminals etc. I wasn't evil! :-) > >I seemed to have hit a familiar chord when I mentioned being a loner > >(lonely) and using a vivid imagination to help me cope as a few of you > >responded back with similar experiences.. > > > >So now I'd like to do a little survey if I might. I'm curious to > >determine if those of us who have had (or who desire to have) OOBEs > >have similar *emotional* backgrounds. > > > >Question 1: Were you a loner (or lonely) child? > >Since going OOB is normally a very *solitary* experience the results to > >this question should be interesting. > Yes. I was quite shy when I was younger. My life in the age of 12 to > 17 was quite bad for me. I was unhappy and disappointed from life. I > got very introverted and maybe "pathetic" to the evil the other kids > would give me. I was very lonely with no friends at all. That part of > my life is painted black and I don't want to remember it. I almost > never do. I think that I feel like my life has begun in the age of > 18... the years before it seem so distant to me... and I don't want to > think of them. There are portions of my childhood I don't remember also.. it's like there are just gaps in time.. > Although now I realise that the misery I had then has > helped me in being who I am and maybe otherwise I would have been more > arrogant, selfish or shallow person. I thank God for that misery, it > helped me... although the scarrs inside of me still exist and I don't > know if they will be healed. I still feel unhappy in my life, but now > it's not because there are problems in my real life or because I'm > tortured by others. I don't know why I am unhappy! I have a pretty > good life now, a girl, the uni... but I feel there's an emptiness > inside of me. And lately I found this NG and started seeking > spirituality... I have a very strong feeling inside of me that this is > what I want, and that it will fill me. I see changes in my life now, > only a couple of months after I started reading this NG and related > articles around the internet. I hope we can help you find what you're seeking! > But anyway, I got a bit off-topic... Yes I was a loner! > >Question 2: Do you have a Very Vivid Imagination (VVI) , a Somewhat > >Vivid Imagination (SVI) or Very Little Imagination (VLI)? > I think I'd say VVI. Ahhh... here's another advantage of that misery I > had... I was visualizing things, scenes, I had a very vivid > imagination... unfortunately when my life started going good I stopped > most of this :-( Panayiotis, actually this is true for me also! I find that when my life is very good, I have less need to be elsewhere but, when things get rough, there's no place like my mind! ;-) > I want it back though. I am trying to return to the > spiritual self of me that is hidden inside of me because of my newer > self with the happy life. I want to be *me*, all aspects of myself. > And I want my spiritual self to be the most active part of me! > Well once again I started writting off-topic... forgive me! :-) There's nothing to forgive.. it's all very understandable!! > Yes I'd say I have a VVI. :-) > > To summarize: > > SUMMARY: > ========================================================== > >Question 1: Were you a loner (or lonely) child? > >Since going OOB is normally a very *solitary* experience the results to > >this question should be interesting. > 1) Yes > >Question 2: Do you have a Very Vivid Imagination (VVI) , a Somewhat > >Vivid Imagination (SVI) or Very Little Imagination (VLI)? > 2) VVI > ========================================================== > >I'll go first! > >------------------------------------------------------------- > > > >Clairity: Q1) Yes Q2. VVI > > > I think this is what most of us will answer :-) So far there has only been ONE who was NOT a loner or lonely (Lars) but ALL have stated that they have VERY vivid imaginations. I will write a post showing the results so far later in the week. > It was a nice idea of you Clairity to begin this "survey"! BTW, I love > reading your posts and you're one of my favorites in this NG! Oh thank you so much!! (Now I feel all warm and happy inside) ;-D > I'm really happy I found this NG and have some people to talk with! Or > just read their experiences. Panayiotis, I think we all feel the same way! Many of us can't share how we feel about our OOBEs (or our desire to have one) with the significant people in our lives (either because they don't believe or they simply don't want to know) so to have this newsgroup to come to is like having a second family. I believe the majority of us don't judge or scoff when someone posts because we know that the poster probably has noone else to talk to about such things. > Love for all, > > Panayiotis And for you! By the way.. how do you pronounce Panayiotis? I bet it sounds like music.. ;-) Clairity -----------== Posted via Deja News, The Discussion Network ==---------- http://www.dejanews.com/ Search, Read, Discuss, or Start Your Own ###### From: "Ronny Andreassen" Newsgroups: alt.out-of-body Subject: Re: Well Now I'm Curious! Date: Tue, 23 Feb 1999 23:56:32 +0100 Organization: Telenor Online Public Access Lines: 4 Message-ID: <7avbjk$ma6$1@readme.online.no> References: <15782-36D1EE8B-58@newsd-102.iap.bryant.webtv.net> NNTP-Posting-Host: ti33a95-0503.dialup.online.no X-Trace: readme.online.no 919810484 22854 130.67.175.247 (23 Feb 1999 22:54:44 GMT) X-Complaints-To: abuse@online.no NNTP-Posting-Date: 23 Feb 1999 22:54:44 GMT X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.3110.5 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.3110.3 Path: chonsp.franklin.ch!pfaff.ethz.ch!news-zh.switch.ch!news-ge.switch.ch!newscore.univie.ac.at!uninett.no!newsfeed1.online.no!newsfeed.online.no!news1.online.no!not-for-mail Ronny: Q1) Yes Q2) VVI ###### From: ajcj Newsgroups: alt.out-of-body Subject: Re: Well Now I'm Curious! Date: Wed, 24 Feb 1999 00:02:52 GMT Organization: Deja News - The Leader in Internet Discussion Lines: 21 Message-ID: <7avfj6$b3g$1@nnrp1.dejanews.com> References: <15782-36D1EE8B-58@newsd-102.iap.bryant.webtv.net> NNTP-Posting-Host: 216.41.29.216 X-Article-Creation-Date: Wed Feb 24 00:02:52 1999 GMT X-Http-User-Agent: Mozilla/2.0 (compatible; MSIE 3.02; Update a; AK; Windows 95) X-Http-Proxy: 1.0 x16.dejanews.com:80 (Squid/1.1.22) for client 216.41.29.216 Path: chonsp.franklin.ch!pfaff.ethz.ch!news-zh.switch.ch!newsfeed-zh.ip-plus.net!news.ip-plus.net!News.Amsterdam.UnisourceCS!skynet.be!isdnet!netnews.com!newspeer1.nac.net!newspeer.monmouth.com!news-feeds.jump.net!nntp2.dejanews.com!nnrp1.dejanews.com!not-for-mail In article <15782-36D1EE8B-58@newsd-102.iap.bryant.webtv.net>, Clairity@webtv.net (Clairity) wrote: > > Question 1: Were you a loner (or lonely) child? > Since going OOB is normally a very *solitary* experience the results to > this question should be interesting. Yes, I was and still am a loner. Me and the phrase "I'm just not not a people person" go back a long way. > > Question 2: Do you have a Very Vivid Imagination (VVI) , a Somewhat > Vivid Imagination (SVI) or Very Little Imagination (VLI)? VVI, definetly. Imagination and creativity have always been my strong points. Logic, I might add, was never a strong point. ---Carlie -----------== Posted via Deja News, The Discussion Network ==---------- http://www.dejanews.com/ Search, Read, Discuss, or Start Your Own ###### From: happy2ceu@aol.com (Happy2ceu) Newsgroups: alt.out-of-body Subject: Re: Well Now I'm Curious! Lines: 6 NNTP-Posting-Host: ladder01.news.aol.com X-Admin: news@aol.com Date: 24 Feb 1999 13:11:59 GMT Organization: AOL http://www.aol.com References: <7avfj6$b3g$1@nnrp1.dejanews.com> Message-ID: <19990224081159.00960.00002317@ng-fd1.aol.com> Path: chonsp.franklin.ch!pfaff.ethz.ch!news-zh.switch.ch!news-ge.switch.ch!news.maxwell.syr.edu!howland.erols.net!portc02.blue.aol.com!audrey01.news.aol.com!not-for-mail 1.) yes 2.) VVI...sometimes too much so Sincerely, Laura :) ###### Path: chonsp.franklin.ch!usenet From: Neil Franklin Newsgroups: alt.out-of-body Subject: Re: Well Now I'm Curious! Date: 24 Feb 1999 22:03:31 +0100 Organization: My own Private Self Lines: 22 Sender: neil@chonsp.franklin.ch Message-ID: References: <15782-36D1EE8B-58@newsd-102.iap.bryant.webtv.net> <36d31e63.33089865@news.i-plus.net> X-Newsreader: Gnus v5.3/Emacs 19.34 in@my.sig (Diane) writes: > > wonder if we are all/most like this because when people are by > themselves, they tend to think more deeply (imo). We, being loners, > have had the time to really search our souls and think about things > other people couldn't imagine. Just my opinion :-) Or it may be the other way round. People who are more disposed towards spirituality (perhaps because they have been through more lives?) most likely are less disposed towards materiality. So they identify less with the majority of people and consequently bond less with them. -- Neil Franklin, Nerd, Geek, Unix Guru, Hacker, Mystic neil@franklin.ch.remove http://neil.franklin.ch/ Programming: when you stop hammering around on the computer as if it were a piece of dumb matter and instead tell it what to do for you ###### Message-ID: <36D316BA.912665F9@the.end.of.the.message> Date: Wed, 24 Feb 1999 07:59:38 +1100 From: Craig Organization: Deja Vous X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.05 [en] (Win95; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 Newsgroups: alt.out-of-body Subject: Re: Well Now I'm Curious! References: <15782-36D1EE8B-58@newsd-102.iap.bryant.webtv.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit NNTP-Posting-Host: 203.18.28.3 X-Trace: 25 Feb 1999 06:38:38 +1000, 203.18.28.3 Lines: 27 Path: chonsp.franklin.ch!pfaff.ethz.ch!news-zh.switch.ch!news-ge.switch.ch!newscore.univie.ac.at!howland.erols.net!newsfeed.cwix.com!4.1.16.34!cpk-news-hub1.bbnplanet.com!news.gtei.net!news.new-york.net!uunet!ffx.uu.net!in3.uu.net!nap-ns1!203.18.28.3 Clairity wrote: > Question 1: Were you a loner (or lonely) child? > Since going OOB is normally a very *solitary* experience the results to > this question should be interesting. Yes, and probably the same now in many ways. I do prefer to be able to have my time by myself, plus I'm happiest when I'm at home just doing my thing. I do have friends, though nobody really close, except for one whom I have never met physically and I enjoy her company above anyone else. > Question 2: Do you have a Very Vivid Imagination (VVI) , a Somewhat > Vivid Imagination (SVI) or Very Little Imagination (VLI)? Hmmm probably VVI- or SVI+ ;-) All the best Craig -- The sure way to make a thing impossible- -is to think it so. --- Franklin To respond, delete _nospam_ scrappy@_nospam_netconnect.com.au -- ###### Message-ID: <36D4C137.729B@cwcom.net> Date: Wed, 24 Feb 1999 19:19:19 -0800 From: Philip Potter X-Mailer: Mozilla 3.0 (Win16; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 Subject: Re: Well Now I'm Curious! References: <15782-36D1EE8B-58@newsd-102.iap.bryant.webtv.net> <7avfj6$b3g$1@nnrp1.dejanews.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Newsgroups: alt.out-of-body Lines: 6 Path: chonsp.franklin.ch!pfaff.ethz.ch!news-zh.switch.ch!news-ge.switch.ch!newscore.univie.ac.at!btnet-peer!btnet!dispose.news.demon.net!demon!newsfeed.ecrc.net!arl-news-svc-3.compuserve.com!news-master.compuserve.com!nntp-nih2naad.prod2.compuserve.com Strangly enough, I find that my logic is more powerful than my imagination, yet I still visit this newsgroup. I guess it's "something to do". Philip ###### From: oob_micke@my-dejanews.com Newsgroups: alt.out-of-body Subject: Re: Well Now I'm Curious! Date: Wed, 24 Feb 1999 21:10:17 GMT Organization: Deja News - The Leader in Internet Discussion Lines: 22 Message-ID: <7b1prh$a5n$1@nnrp1.dejanews.com> References: <15782-36D1EE8B-58@newsd-102.iap.bryant.webtv.net> NNTP-Posting-Host: 130.237.37.106 X-Article-Creation-Date: Wed Feb 24 21:10:17 1999 GMT X-Http-User-Agent: Mozilla/4.03 [en] (Win95; I) X-Http-Proxy: 1.0 x13.dejanews.com:80 (Squid/1.1.22) for client 130.237.37.106 Path: chonsp.franklin.ch!pfaff.ethz.ch!news-zh.switch.ch!news-ge.switch.ch!feed2.news.luth.se!luth.se!news-peer-europe.sprintlink.net!Sprint!news-peer1.sprintlink.net!news.sprintlink.net!netnews.com!newsswitch.lcs.mit.edu!newsfeed.cwix.com!204.238.120.130!news-feeds.jump.net!nntp2.dejanews.com!nnrp1.dejanews.com!not-for-mail Clairity@webtv.net (Clairity) wrote: > Question 1: Were you a loner (or lonely) child? > Since going OOB is normally a very *solitary* experience the results to > this question should be interesting. > > Question 2: Do you have a Very Vivid Imagination (VVI) , a Somewhat > Vivid Imagination (SVI) or Very Little Imagination (VLI)? > > I'll go first! > ------------------------------------------------------------- > > Clairity: Q1) Yes Q2. VVI 1) Yes I am a loner, more now than when I was a child. I prefer it to be in that way also. 2) Probably VVI, to much daydreaming. oob_micke -----------== Posted via Deja News, The Discussion Network ==---------- http://www.dejanews.com/ Search, Read, Discuss, or Start Your Own ###### From: "novice" <@jps.net> Newsgroups: alt.out-of-body References: <15782-36D1EE8B-58@newsd-102.iap.bryant.webtv.net> Subject: Re: Well Now I'm Curious! Date: Thu, 25 Feb 1999 00:21:32 -0800 Lines: 42 X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.3155.0 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.3155.0 NNTP-Posting-Host: 209.63.189.42 X-NNTP-Posting-Host: 209.63.189.42 Message-ID: <36d57d58.0@news1.jps.net> X-Trace: 25 Feb 1999 08:42:00 -0800, 209.63.189.42 X-NNTP-Posting-Host: 209.63.224.240 Path: chonsp.franklin.ch!pfaff.ethz.ch!news-zh.switch.ch!news-ge.switch.ch!isdnet!howland.erols.net!newsfeed.cwix.com!209.210.46.218!news-west.eli.net!news1.jps.net!209.63.189.42 Q1) Yes Q2) VVI When I was really young, my parents determined that if I were to be grounded that that would mean that I would have to spend the night at a friend's house. (Never grounded though) They knew that I preferred to be alone and imagine so it seemed like a good punishment to them. I did, (and do), have friends, it's just that given the choice of spending time alone thinking, reading, watching TV, or whatever always has, and does, appeal more to me. As for my imagination, I haven't necessarily imagined being a hero like many of you, but instead I always used to imagine being different creatures like a dragon or a wizard or something. And, if not a creature, I would imagine having powers like to fly or become invisible, or be extremely psychic. ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- ---------------------------------------------------- Just a side note: After so long, I finally felt the vibes again today!!! - and for the first time heard the rushing in my ears that many people have talked about. Didn't hear that before when I got out. And, I'll be changing my nickname, novice, to my real name, Rick. I'm not saying that I'm an expert now in regards to oobes, just that I don't care to use a nickname here because this group is just a bunch of good people and I don't care to hide my real name from any of you. Also, I've noticed that most of you seem to use your real names. Hope I'm posting success stories soon. Later. ----Rick (novice) ###### From: "Star Gazer" Newsgroups: alt.out-of-body Subject: Re: Well Now I'm Curious! Date: Thu, 25 Feb 1999 18:35:39 +1100 Organization: Customer of Connect.com.au Pty. Ltd. Lines: 48 Message-ID: <7b2ue7$39i$1@perki.connect.com.au> References: <15782-36D1EE8B-58@newsd-102.iap.bryant.webtv.net> <36D316BA.912665F9@the.end.of.the.message> NNTP-Posting-Host: acc4-ppp7.mel.roaming.connect.com.au X-Trace: perki.connect.com.au 919928071 3378 203.8.176.7 (25 Feb 1999 07:34:31 GMT) X-Complaints-To: abuse@connect.com.au NNTP-Posting-Date: 25 Feb 1999 07:34:31 GMT X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.2106.4 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.2106.4 Path: chonsp.franklin.ch!pfaff.ethz.ch!news-zh.switch.ch!news-ge.switch.ch!isdnet!remarQ-easT!supernews.com!remarQ.com!news.maxwell.syr.edu!news.mel.connect.com.au!not-for-mail just curious do you talk to her on the phone or do you feel her presence at times in other people? Q1 Although there were people around I would have to agree that I have never bonded with anyone closelly for a long period of time. I am happy being alone because usually the fiends I have are not on the same wavelength as I am, I seem to always have to compromise what I want to do when with them, while on the other hand alone I am in full control, except its no real fun being out by yourself, feel out of place. Q2 SVI, I cannot picture (imagine) situations easily, takes the right enviroment, relaxed mood, well fed, and very very quite. a star gazer Craig wrote in message <36D316BA.912665F9@the.end.of.the.message>... >Clairity wrote: > >> Question 1: Were you a loner (or lonely) child? >> Since going OOB is normally a very *solitary* experience the results to >> this question should be interesting. > >Yes, and probably the same now in many ways. I do prefer to be able to >have my time by myself, plus I'm happiest when I'm at home just doing my >thing. I do have friends, though nobody really close, except for one >whom I have never met physically and I enjoy her company above anyone >else. > >> Question 2: Do you have a Very Vivid Imagination (VVI) , a Somewhat >> Vivid Imagination (SVI) or Very Little Imagination (VLI)? > Hmmm probably VVI- or SVI+ ;-) > >All the best >Craig >-- >The sure way to make a thing impossible- > -is to think it so. --- Franklin > >To respond, delete _nospam_ >scrappy@_nospam_netconnect.com.au >-- > > ###### From: "Lone Wolf" Newsgroups: alt.out-of-body Subject: Re: Well Now I'm Curious! Date: Thu, 25 Feb 1999 21:53:53 +1000 Organization: Customer of OzEmail/Access One Pty Ltd, Melbourne, Australia Lines: 26 Message-ID: <7b3ckd$egc$1@news.mel.aone.net.au> References: <15782-36D1EE8B-58@newsd-102.iap.bryant.webtv.net> <36d57d58.0@news1.jps.net> NNTP-Posting-Host: d236-1.cpe.townsville.aone.net.au X-Trace: news.mel.aone.net.au 919942605 14860 203.61.32.236 (25 Feb 1999 11:36:45 GMT) NNTP-Posting-Date: 25 Feb 1999 11:36:45 GMT X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.3110.5 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.3110.3 Path: chonsp.franklin.ch!pfaff.ethz.ch!news-zh.switch.ch!news-ge.switch.ch!newscore.univie.ac.at!news-spur1.maxwell.syr.edu!news.maxwell.syr.edu!korova.insync.net!uunet!ffx.uu.net!in3.uu.net!news.mel.aone.net.au!newsfeed-in.aone.net.au!not-for-mail novice <@jps.net> wrote in message <36d57d58.0@news1.jps.net>... >And, I'll be changing my nickname, novice, to my real name, Rick. I'm not >saying that I'm an expert now in regards to oobes, just that I don't care to >use a nickname here because this group is just a bunch of good people and I >don't care to hide my real name from any of you. Also, I've noticed that >most of you seem to use your real names. I'll keep using Lone Wolf, but not because I don't trust the people here. I don't try to hide my name, if anyone here asked what it was I'd tell them. I have found most people in this group to be good people, so there is no need to give a fake name. Besides, all the Australians in this group seem to be down south. :-) Just thought I'd mention this, just so you all know I have nothing to hide from you. :-) From Wolfy ###### From: WQ73@webtv.net (Robert ...) Newsgroups: alt.out-of-body Subject: Re: Well Now I'm Curious! Date: Thu, 25 Feb 1999 17:45:46 -0700 (MST) Organization: WebTV Subscriber Lines: 5 Message-ID: <7300-36D5EEBA-79@newsd-133.iap.bryant.webtv.net> References: <15782-36D1EE8B-58@newsd-102.iap.bryant.webtv.net> NNTP-Posting-Host: localhost.webtv.net Mime-Version: 1.0 (WebTV) Content-Type: Text/Plain; Charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7Bit X-WebTV-Signature: 1 ETAsAhRHWb8FURhnUvhXBgTGifdZ+hef8wIUHotIFNCSqDGfkOgycodv1QdMq84= Content-Disposition: Inline Path: chonsp.franklin.ch!pfaff.ethz.ch!news-zh.switch.ch!news-ge.switch.ch!feed2.news.luth.se!luth.se!cam-news-hub1.bbnplanet.com!su-news-feed4.bbnplanet.com!news.gtei.net!webtv.net!not-for-mail I was extremely introverted and lonely as a child, and I had a very vivid imagination. That is when the OBEs involuntarily started. However, it was not until I was older, not-so-lonely, and more worldly that I was able to deliberately induce an OBE. ###### From: J L Williams Newsgroups: alt.out-of-body Subject: Re: Well Now I'm Curious! Date: Thu, 25 Feb 1999 22:32:49 GMT Lines: 40 Message-ID: <1999022522324975767@zetnet.co.uk> References: <15782-36D1EE8B-58@newsd-102.iap.bryant.webtv.net> <36d57d58.0@news1.jps.net> NNTP-Posting-Host: user-10003900.zetnet.co.uk X-Mailer: ZIMACS Version 1.20c 10003900 Path: chonsp.franklin.ch!pfaff.ethz.ch!news-zh.switch.ch!news-ge.switch.ch!newscore.univie.ac.at!btnet-peer!btnet!newspeer.clara.net!news.clara.net!peer.news.zetnet.net!zetnet.co.uk!user-10003900.zetnet.co.uk!not-for-mail The message <36d57d58.0@news1.jps.net> from "novice" <@jps.net> contains these words: > ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- > ---------------------------------------------------- > Just a side note: After so long, I finally felt the vibes again today!!! - > and for the first time heard the rushing in my ears that many people have > talked about. Didn't hear that before when I got out. Glad to hear some are still making progress Rick. > And, I'll be changing my nickname, novice, to my real name, Rick. I'm not > saying that I'm an expert now in regards to oobes, just that I don't care to > use a nickname here because this group is just a bunch of good people and I > don't care to hide my real name from any of you. Also, I've noticed that > most of you seem to use your real names. Yes, I agree with those sentiments, hope you are soon able to get out :). Regards Jim > Hope I'm posting success stories soon. Later. > ----Rick (novice) ###### From: in@my.sig (Diane) Newsgroups: alt.out-of-body Subject: Re: Well Now I'm Curious! Reply-To: in@my.sig Message-ID: <36d6d202.16368301@news.i-plus.net> References: <15782-36D1EE8B-58@newsd-102.iap.bryant.webtv.net> <7300-36D5EEBA-79@newsd-133.iap.bryant.webtv.net> X-Newsreader: Forte Agent 1.5/16.451 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Lines: 33 Date: Fri, 26 Feb 1999 17:05:09 GMT NNTP-Posting-Host: 209.100.24.102 X-Complaints-To: Abuse Role , We Care X-Trace: monger.newsread.com 920048709 209.100.24.102 (Fri, 26 Feb 1999 12:05:09 EDT) NNTP-Posting-Date: Fri, 26 Feb 1999 12:05:09 EDT Organization: iPlus Internet Services (i-Plus.net) Path: chonsp.franklin.ch!pfaff.ethz.ch!news-zh.switch.ch!news-ge.switch.ch!news.maxwell.syr.edu!feeder.qis.net!yellow.newsread.com!netaxs.com!newsread.com!monger.newsread.com.POSTED!not-for-mail I wonder how many of us who are loners, found it very easy to be with animals. I bond with animals almost instantly, and I always have. Maybe its because animals are so honest, so real, so above chit-chat. Whenever I dreamed of a life on my own, in my own world, it always involved my pets and other animals. Life among nothing but animals, that seems so wonderful to me. Nowadays, I'd include my daughter and one special friend. That brings another thought to my mind. I have never felt this need to be away from my daughter. Even when I entertain the thought of leaving everything and everyone behind and going where nobody knows me, I can't imagine doing so without my daughter. I am bonded with her in such a way that I can not ever imagine my life without her. There is no one else that I can say that about. She is a part of me, so to be without her is like being without a part of my soul, a part of my heart. Oops, sorry about going like that :-) She does that to me :-) Anyway, are the rest of you all like this with animals and your children? Diane cafal at yahoo dot com WQ73@webtv.net (Robert ...) wrote on Thu, 25 Feb 1999 17:45:46 -0700 (MST): >I was extremely introverted and lonely as a child, and I had a very >vivid imagination. That is when the OBEs involuntarily started. >However, it was not until I was older, not-so-lonely, and more worldly >that I was able to deliberately induce an OBE. ###### From: J L Williams Newsgroups: alt.out-of-body Subject: Re: Well Now I'm Curious! Date: Fri, 26 Feb 1999 18:20:29 GMT Lines: 70 Message-ID: <1999022618202975767@zetnet.co.uk> References: <15782-36D1EE8B-58@newsd-102.iap.bryant.webtv.net> <7300-36D5EEBA-79@newsd-133.iap.bryant.webtv.net> <36d6d202.16368301@news.i-plus.net> NNTP-Posting-Host: user-10003900.zetnet.co.uk X-Mailer: ZIMACS Version 1.20c 10003900 Path: chonsp.franklin.ch!pfaff.ethz.ch!news-zh.switch.ch!news-ge.switch.ch!news.belnet.be!news-feed.inet.tele.dk!bofh.vszbr.cz!news-lond.gip.net!news.gsl.net!gip.net!newspeer.clara.net!news.clara.net!peer.news.zetnet.net!zetnet.co.uk!user-10003900.zetnet.co.uk!not-for-mail The message <36d6d202.16368301@news.i-plus.net> from in@my.sig (Diane) contains these words: > I wonder how many of us who are loners, found it very easy to be with > animals. Mmmm, so so. I usually wait 'til the animal comes to me after offering it a hand (to lick or chew as the case maybe :-)) > I bond with animals almost instantly, and I always have. Cannot say that here-I have a healthy respect for the more ferocious ones :} > Maybe its because animals are so honest, so real, so above chit-chat. > Whenever I dreamed of a life on my own, in my own world, it always > involved my pets and other animals. Nope, not me. Life among nothing but animals, > that seems so wonderful to me. Nowadays, I'd include my daughter and > one special friend. I would include all my offspring......would not leave them for the world. > That brings another thought to my mind. I have never felt this need > to be away from my daughter. Even when I entertain the thought of > leaving everything and everyone behind and going where nobody knows > me, I am a loner in outlook, can exist by myself and do like time to myself. I am alone in lots of ideas but I am still a family man. >I can't imagine doing so without my daughter. I am bonded with > her in such a way that I can not ever imagine my life without her. Yes likewise see above. > There is no one else that I can say that about. I can, my wife and own siblings although distance etc precludes seeing them rarely these days (achem, siblings that is :-)) > She is a part of me, > so to be without her is like being without a part of my soul, a part > of my heart. > Oops, sorry about going like that :-) She does that to me :-) I hope that she would ;-) > Anyway, are the rest of you all like this with animals and your > children? Mmmmmmm, have answered this now I think, hope you do not feel so much a loner now though :-) > Diane > cafal at yahoo dot com Regards Jim ###### Message-ID: <36D765F2.45F8@_NOSPAM_cwcom.net> Date: Fri, 26 Feb 1999 19:26:42 -0800 From: Philip Potter X-Mailer: Mozilla 3.0 (Win16; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 Subject: Re: Well Now I'm Curious! References: <15782-36D1EE8B-58@newsd-102.iap.bryant.webtv.net> <7300-36D5EEBA-79@newsd-133.iap.bryant.webtv.net> <36d6d202.16368301@news.i-plus.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Newsgroups: alt.out-of-body Lines: 6 Path: chonsp.franklin.ch!pfaff.ethz.ch!news-zh.switch.ch!news-ge.switch.ch!news.belnet.be!news-feed.inet.tele.dk!bofh.vszbr.cz!remarQ-uK!remarQ.com!supernews.com!newsfeed.ecrc.net!arl-news-svc-3.compuserve.com!news-master.compuserve.com!nntp-nih2naaa.compuserve.com I have never had a pet, but I have always bonded well with all animals I have met... even large rats and ferrets seemed to like me. Maybe I should become a vegetarian... Philip