From: hawksmoor@dial.pipex.com (Julia Hawkes-Moore) Newsgroups: alt.out-of-body Subject: Instructions for life (off topic?) Date: Mon, 15 Feb 1999 19:06:43 GMT Organization: UUNET WorldCom server (post doesn't reflect views of UUNET WorldCom) Lines: 71 Message-ID: <36c86fda.1696084@news.dial.pipex.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: aa210.du.pipex.com X-Newsreader: Forte Free Agent 1.1/16.230 Path: chonsp.franklin.ch!pfaff.ethz.ch!news-zh.switch.ch!news-ge.switch.ch!isdnet!news-raspail.gip.net!news-lond.gip.net!news.gsl.net!gip.net!nntp.news.xara.net!xara.net!rill.news.pipex.net!pipex!bore.news.pipex.net!pipex!not-for-mail INSTRUCTIONS FOR LIFE I liked this list, so I thought I would share it with you: 1. Give people more than they expect and do it cheerfully. 2. Memorize your favorite poem. 3. Don't believe all you hear, spend all you have or sleep all you want. 4. When you say, "I love you", mean it. 5. When you say, "I'm sorry", look the person in the eye. 6. Be engaged at least six months before you get married. 7. Believe in love at first sight. 8. Never laugh at anyone's dreams. 9. Love deeply and passionately. You might get hurt but it's the only way to live life completely. 10. In disagreements, fight fairly. No name calling. 11. Don't judge people by their relatives. 12. Talk slowly but think quickly. 13. When someone asks you a question you don't want to answer, smile and ask,"Why do you want to know?" 14. Remember that great love and great achievements involve great risk. 15. Call your mom. 16. Say "bless you" when you hear someone sneeze. 17. When you lose, don't lose the lesson. 18. Remember the three R's: Respect for self; Respect for others; Responsibility for all your actions. 19. Don't let a little dispute injure a great friendship. 20. When you realize you've made a mistake, take immediate steps to correct it. 21. Smile when picking up the phone. The caller will hear it in your voice. 22. Marry a man/woman you love to talk to. As you get older, their conversational skills will be as important as any other. 23. Spend some time alone. 24. Open your arms to change, but don't let go of your values. 25. Remember that silence is sometimes the best answer. 26. Read more books and watch less TV. 27. Live a good, honorable life. Then when you get older and think back, you'll get to enjoy it a second time. 28. Trust in God but lock your car. 29. A loving atmosphere in your home is so important. Do all you can to create a tranquil harmonious home. 30. In disagreements with loved ones, deal with the current situation. Don't bring up the past. 31. Read between the lines. 32. Share your knowledge. It's a way to achieve immortality. 33. Be gentle with the earth. 34. Pray. There's immeasurable power in it. 35. Never interrupt when you are being flattered. 36. Mind your own business. 37. Don't trust a man/woman who doesn't close his/her eyes when you kiss. 38. Once a year, go someplace you've never been before. 39. If you make a lot of money, put it to use helping others while you are living. That is wealth's greatest satisfaction. 40. Remember that not getting what you want is sometimes a stroke of luck. 41. Learn the rules then break some. 42. Remember that the best relationship is one where your love for each other is greater than your need for each other. 43. Judge your success by what you had to give up in order to get it. 44. Remember that your character is your destiny. 45. Approach love and cooking with reckless abandon. ###### From: Lucid Newsgroups: alt.out-of-body Subject: Re: Instructions for life (off topic?) Date: 15 Feb 1999 14:32:41 PST Organization: Concentric Internet Services Lines: 17 Message-ID: <36C89C31.33490483@hotmail.com> References: <36c86fda.1696084@news.dial.pipex.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: ts001d34.oak-ca.concentric.net Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.04 [en] (Win95; U) Path: chonsp.franklin.ch!pfaff.ethz.ch!news-zh.switch.ch!news-ge.switch.ch!newscore.univie.ac.at!news-spur1.maxwell.syr.edu!news.maxwell.syr.edu!newsfeed.direct.ca!newsfeed.concentric.net!global-news-master Julia Hawkes-Moore wrote: > INSTRUCTIONS FOR LIFE > I liked this list, so I thought I would share it with you: > Thanks Julia for posting this list, It came just in time when I needed it! love and light lucid ###### From: zyphrhart@aol.com (Zyphr Hart) Newsgroups: alt.out-of-body Subject: Re: Instructions for life (off topic?) Lines: 8 NNTP-Posting-Host: ladder01.news.aol.com X-Admin: news@aol.com Date: 15 Feb 1999 22:50:29 GMT Organization: AOL http://www.aol.com References: <36c86fda.1696084@news.dial.pipex.com> Message-ID: <19990215175029.08160.00001794@ng149.aol.com> Path: chonsp.franklin.ch!pfaff.ethz.ch!news-zh.switch.ch!news-ge.switch.ch!news.maxwell.syr.edu!news-peer.gip.net!news.gsl.net!gip.net!portc01.blue.aol.com!spamz.news.aol.com!audrey01.news.aol.com!not-for-mail > >INSTRUCTIONS FOR LIFE > I liked this list, so I thought I would share it with you: > kewl......... Zyphr ###### From: hawksmoor@dial.pipex.com (Julia Hawkes-Moore) Newsgroups: alt.out-of-body Subject: Re: Instructions for life (off topic?) Date: Tue, 16 Feb 1999 18:48:30 GMT Organization: UUNET WorldCom server (post doesn't reflect views of UUNET WorldCom) Lines: 11 Message-ID: <36c9bd34.499268@news.dial.pipex.com> References: <36c86fda.1696084@news.dial.pipex.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: aa145.du.pipex.com X-Newsreader: Forte Free Agent 1.1/16.230 Path: chonsp.franklin.ch!pfaff.ethz.ch!news-zh.switch.ch!news-ge.switch.ch!newscore.univie.ac.at!btnet-peer!btnet!rill.news.pipex.net!pipex!bore.news.pipex.net!pipex!not-for-mail On Mon, 15 Feb 1999 19:06:43 GMT, hawksmoor@dial.pipex.com (Julia Hawkes-Moore) wrote: >INSTRUCTIONS FOR LIFE I thought I would add a few myself: 46. Learn to ask for help. 47. Take off your shoes and walk barefoot on the grass sometimes. 48. Make the effort to visit people you like. 49. Enjoy the noise that children make just as much as the peace of their sleep. 50. The only certainty in life is that we should enjoy change. ###### From: "Lone Wolf" Newsgroups: alt.out-of-body Subject: Re: Instructions for life (off topic?) Date: Tue, 16 Feb 1999 20:52:32 +1000 Organization: Customer of OzEmail/Access One Pty Ltd, Melbourne, Australia Lines: 22 Message-ID: <7abido$o9v$2@news.mel.aone.net.au> References: <36c86fda.1696084@news.dial.pipex.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: d197-1.cpe.townsville.aone.net.au X-Trace: news.mel.aone.net.au 919162104 24895 203.61.32.197 (16 Feb 1999 10:48:24 GMT) NNTP-Posting-Date: 16 Feb 1999 10:48:24 GMT X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.3110.5 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.3110.3 Path: chonsp.franklin.ch!pfaff.ethz.ch!news-zh.switch.ch!news-ge.switch.ch!news.maxwell.syr.edu!news.mel.connect.com.au!news.mel.aone.net.au!newsfeed-in.aone.net.au!not-for-mail Julia Hawkes-Moore wrote in message <36c86fda.1696084@news.dial.pipex.com>... >37. Don't trust a man/woman who doesn't close his/her eyes when you >kiss. What is the reasoning behind this one? How would you know if their eyes are open when yours are closed? If you open yours to check, then you become the one not to trust. Maybe that is it, if the person does not trust that you have your eyes closed, then you can't trust them. Conclusion: You can't trust someone who doesn't trust you. From Wolfy ###### Message-ID: <36CA4843.1ABEF7DD@privatei.com> From: The Original Ken Organization: As disorganized as possible X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.04 [en] (Win95; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 Newsgroups: alt.out-of-body Subject: Re: Instructions for life (off topic?) References: <36c86fda.1696084@news.dial.pipex.com> <7abido$o9v$2@news.mel.aone.net.au> <7ad32t$rq8$1@perki.connect.com.au> <7adg74$a2p$1@news.mel.aone.net.au> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Lines: 24 Date: Tue, 16 Feb 1999 21:40:35 -0700 NNTP-Posting-Host: 208.203.136.194 X-Trace: wormhole.dimensional.com 919226459 208.203.136.194 (Tue, 16 Feb 1999 21:40:59 MDT) NNTP-Posting-Date: Tue, 16 Feb 1999 21:40:59 MDT Path: chonsp.franklin.ch!pfaff.ethz.ch!news-zh.switch.ch!news-ge.switch.ch!isdnet!remarQ-easT!supernews.com!remarQ.com!su-news-hub1.bbnplanet.com!su-news-feed4.bbnplanet.com!news.gtei.net!pulsar.dimensional.com!dimensional.com!wormhole.dimensional.com!not-for-mail Lone Wolf wrote: > > a_star_gazer wrote in message <7ad32t$rq8$1@perki.connect.com.au>... > I would never judge trust by a kiss. Not that I will ever have the > oppertunity. :-( > I was just trying to understand what they meant by the line. > > >no love no trust. > > You can still trust someone that doesn't love you. (unless they pretend as > though they do) > > >only my opinion not my religion. > > My opinions define my religon. > > From > Wolfy Wolfy, I am glad to see that your low opinion of yourself doesn't block your wisdom. Keep your head up. Good things will come to you. Ken ###### From: "a_star_gazer" Newsgroups: alt.out-of-body Subject: Re: Instructions for life (off topic?) Date: Wed, 17 Feb 1999 11:40:12 +1100 Organization: Customer of Connect.com.au Pty. Ltd. Lines: 57 Message-ID: <7ad32t$rq8$1@perki.connect.com.au> References: <36c86fda.1696084@news.dial.pipex.com> <7abido$o9v$2@news.mel.aone.net.au> NNTP-Posting-Host: acc10-ppp33.mel.roaming.connect.com.au X-Trace: perki.connect.com.au 919211933 28488 203.8.176.225 (17 Feb 1999 00:38:53 GMT) X-Complaints-To: abuse@connect.com.au NNTP-Posting-Date: 17 Feb 1999 00:38:53 GMT X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.2106.4 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.2106.4 Path: chonsp.franklin.ch!pfaff.ethz.ch!news-zh.switch.ch!news-ge.switch.ch!isdnet!newsfeed.cwix.com!128.230.129.106!news.maxwell.syr.edu!news.mel.connect.com.au!not-for-mail Dear Lone Wolf, I hear your cry. I kiss initially with my eyes closed, I open my eyes to see the enjoyment of my lover, if she is emotional in her expressions, I close my eyes and get emotional. if she chooses to open her eyes at the same time we both smile,(no loss of trust) if her eyes are open and she shows a shocked look on her face, i know i cannot trust her. but let me note, knowing if you can trust someone is not determined in there kiss, its in there love, no love no trust. generally the kiss technique is for partner-hopping-lustfull-people who perhaps open there eyes to check because they themselves are untrustworthy. only my opinion not my religion. I enjoyed Julia Hawkes-Moore 's Handy Hints to life. I would like to add my own. 0. To resolve ALL issues ask the question WHY and answer Honestly. cheers and enjoy. Obviously a very lonely Star Gazer Lone Wolf wrote in message <7abido$o9v$2@news.mel.aone.net.au>... > >Julia Hawkes-Moore wrote in message ><36c86fda.1696084@news.dial.pipex.com>... > >>37. Don't trust a man/woman who doesn't close his/her eyes when you >>kiss. > > >What is the reasoning behind this one? > >How would you know if their eyes are open when yours are closed? If you open >yours to check, then you become the one not to trust. Maybe that is it, if >the person does not trust that you have your eyes closed, then you can't >trust them. > >Conclusion: >You can't trust someone who doesn't trust you. > >From >Wolfy > > ###### From: "Lone Wolf" Newsgroups: alt.out-of-body Subject: Re: Instructions for life (off topic?) Date: Wed, 17 Feb 1999 14:04:19 +1000 Organization: Customer of OzEmail/Access One Pty Ltd, Melbourne, Australia Lines: 35 Message-ID: <7adg74$a2p$1@news.mel.aone.net.au> References: <36c86fda.1696084@news.dial.pipex.com> <7abido$o9v$2@news.mel.aone.net.au> <7ad32t$rq8$1@perki.connect.com.au> NNTP-Posting-Host: d208-1.cpe.townsville.aone.net.au X-Trace: news.mel.aone.net.au 919225380 10329 203.61.32.208 (17 Feb 1999 04:23:00 GMT) NNTP-Posting-Date: 17 Feb 1999 04:23:00 GMT X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.3110.5 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.3110.3 Path: chonsp.franklin.ch!pfaff.ethz.ch!news-zh.switch.ch!news-ge.switch.ch!isdnet!netnews.com!newspeer1.nac.net!news.maxwell.syr.edu!news.mel.connect.com.au!news.mel.aone.net.au!newsfeed-in.aone.net.au!not-for-mail a_star_gazer wrote in message <7ad32t$rq8$1@perki.connect.com.au>... >but let me note, >knowing if you can trust someone is not determined in there kiss, its in >there love, I would never judge trust by a kiss. Not that I will ever have the oppertunity. :-( I was just trying to understand what they meant by the line. >no love no trust. You can still trust someone that doesn't love you. (unless they pretend as though they do) >only my opinion not my religion. My opinions define my religon. >I would like to add my own. >0. To resolve ALL issues ask the question WHY and answer Honestly. While we're at it... In order to see the truth, you must open your mind, not your eyes. From Wolfy ###### From: "Lone Wolf" Newsgroups: alt.out-of-body Subject: Re: Instructions for life (off topic?) Date: Wed, 17 Feb 1999 20:27:30 +1000 Organization: Customer of OzEmail/Access One Pty Ltd, Melbourne, Australia Lines: 17 Message-ID: <7ae4jg$2hc$2@news.mel.aone.net.au> References: <36c86fda.1696084@news.dial.pipex.com> <7abido$o9v$2@news.mel.aone.net.au> <7ad32t$rq8$1@perki.connect.com.au> <7adg74$a2p$1@news.mel.aone.net.au> <36CA4843.1ABEF7DD@privatei.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: d215-1.cpe.townsville.aone.net.au X-Trace: news.mel.aone.net.au 919246256 2604 203.61.32.215 (17 Feb 1999 10:10:56 GMT) NNTP-Posting-Date: 17 Feb 1999 10:10:56 GMT X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.3110.5 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.3110.3 Path: chonsp.franklin.ch!pfaff.ethz.ch!news-zh.switch.ch!news-ge.switch.ch!isdnet!newsfeed.wirehub.nl!news.new-york.net!uunet!ffx.uu.net!in3.uu.net!news.mel.aone.net.au!newsfeed-in.aone.net.au!not-for-mail The Original Ken wrote in message <36CA4843.1ABEF7DD@privatei.com>... >Wolfy, I am glad to see that your low opinion of yourself doesn't block >your wisdom. I would be in big trouble if it did. :-) >Keep your head up. Good things will come to you. Thanks for the pick-me-up. :-( ... :-| ... :-) There, hows that? From Wolfy ###### From: "a_star_gazer" Newsgroups: alt.out-of-body Subject: Re: Instructions for life (off topic?) Date: Wed, 17 Feb 1999 17:07:40 +1100 Organization: Customer of Connect.com.au Pty. Ltd. Lines: 47 Message-ID: <7afffk$bhj$1@perki.connect.com.au> References: <36c86fda.1696084@news.dial.pipex.com> <7abido$o9v$2@news.mel.aone.net.au> <7ad32t$rq8$1@perki.connect.com.au> <7adg74$a2p$1@news.mel.aone.net.au> NNTP-Posting-Host: acc10-ppp24.mel.roaming.connect.com.au X-Trace: perki.connect.com.au 919290164 11827 203.8.176.216 (17 Feb 1999 22:22:44 GMT) X-Complaints-To: abuse@connect.com.au NNTP-Posting-Date: 17 Feb 1999 22:22:44 GMT X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.2106.4 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.2106.4 Path: chonsp.franklin.ch!pfaff.ethz.ch!news-zh.switch.ch!news-ge.switch.ch!newscore.univie.ac.at!news-spur1.maxwell.syr.edu!news.maxwell.syr.edu!news.mel.connect.com.au!not-for-mail >I would never judge trust by a kiss. Not that I will ever have the >oppertunity. :-( >I was just trying to understand what they meant by the line. cool, I agreed with you initially to how you would know there eyes were open, then when I thought a little more about my own experience I had to remark >>no love no trust. >You can still trust someone that doesn't love you. (unless they pretend as >though they do) you are right again, I was refering to relationship love, I suppose it should be the same for all people. I trust a lot of people that don't say they love me but deep down they are the people that do. And the trust I am talking about is your life in their hands. I would not want my life in someones hands who did not love me, i.e no trust : ) >>only my opinion not my religion. >My opinions define my religon. true but due to changes in my life being so rapid and fluid it cannot sustain a religion anyone else that would try to follow whould think I was a hipacrit because I was forced to set rules for love where really there are not set rules, just love. >>I would like to add my own. >>0. To resolve ALL issues ask the question WHY and answer Honestly. >While we're at it... >In order to see the truth, you must open your mind, not your eyes. ahh finally 100% agreence, the truth is not in the physical(eyes) its in the sipitual(thought or mind) Thanks for responding, none of this is flaming, I just like the discussion, sometimes I may be seen as attacking, but its not you i'm attacking its my inner self and my society rules. ohh yeah one more thing, disregard everything I just said inspired Star Gazer ###### From: lawgiver@csd.auth.gr (Panayiotis) Newsgroups: alt.out-of-body Subject: Re: Instructions for life (off topic?) Date: Wed, 17 Feb 1999 22:19:30 GMT Organization: Central Computing Facility, Aristotle University of Thessaloniki Lines: 10 Message-ID: <36cac701.1739100@news.auth.gr> References: <36c86fda.1696084@news.dial.pipex.com> <7abido$o9v$2@news.mel.aone.net.au> <7ad32t$rq8$1@perki.connect.com.au> <7adg74$a2p$1@news.mel.aone.net.au> NNTP-Posting-Host: poseidi-ppp9.ccf.auth.gr X-Newsreader: Forte Free Agent 1.11/32.235 Path: chonsp.franklin.ch!pfaff.ethz.ch!news-zh.switch.ch!news-ge.switch.ch!news.grnet.gr!news.auth.gr!not-for-mail On Wed, 17 Feb 1999 14:04:19 +1000, "Lone Wolf" wrote: >You can still trust someone that doesn't love you. (unless they pretend as >though they do) > But can you really love someone you don't trust? Panayiotis ###### From: lawgiver@csd.auth.gr (Panayiotis) Newsgroups: alt.out-of-body Subject: Re: Instructions for life (off topic?) Date: Thu, 18 Feb 1999 10:27:27 GMT Organization: Central Computing Facility, Aristotle University of Thessaloniki Lines: 55 Message-ID: <36cbde93.2536832@news.auth.gr> References: <36c86fda.1696084@news.dial.pipex.com> <7abido$o9v$2@news.mel.aone.net.au> <7ad32t$rq8$1@perki.connect.com.au> <7adg74$a2p$1@news.mel.aone.net.au> <36cac701.1739100@news.auth.gr> <7aftra$enh$2@news.mel.aone.net.au> NNTP-Posting-Host: poseidi-ppp2.ccf.auth.gr X-Newsreader: Forte Free Agent 1.11/32.235 Path: chonsp.franklin.ch!pfaff.ethz.ch!news-zh.switch.ch!news-ge.switch.ch!news.grnet.gr!news.auth.gr!not-for-mail On Thu, 18 Feb 1999 12:45:02 +1000, "Lone Wolf" wrote: > >Panayiotis wrote in message <36cac701.1739100@news.auth.gr>... >>On Wed, 17 Feb 1999 14:04:19 +1000, "Lone Wolf" >> wrote: > >>But can you really love someone you don't trust? > > >No. If you really love the person, you will trust them too. > >Well... thats my opinion. > I feel that I love this person. I constantly have her in my mind and try to help her in any way. But I can't yet trust her completely... Whenever we're not together I keep fearing tha possibility someone else will be with her... I try not to do so but I can't. But I love her... Maybe "It's a matter of trust" as Placebo say :) I don't know. Who knows? Who knows *what*? I'm happy I started asking questions to myself again. A few years ago when I was very lonely and kind of miserable I was doing this a lot... and I could find many answers and new aspects given to me... I also beleived more in God and I was imagining I was talking with Jesus Christ... it was nice. I guess I stopped doing these gradually when my life got out of that blackness (or greyness) but I have to do it again, I have to get closer to myself and seek answers, by asking questions. After all, even though now my life seems good and almost everything is good in it, I don't feel happy. I feel like something's missing inside of me and I feel unhappy without knowing the reason. Well the only reason I was thinking was the lack of my gf to show me and give me her emotions and show me the love that I needed, or the constant arguing wehave, but maybe it's more than that, maybe it's something that has to do with me. After all, many times I understood that I am viewing this relationship in a way different than the one she does, sometimes I feel like we're transmitting in different frequencies, we're out of phase... Well I got carried away a bit. But I'm happy I did. I feel like myself started trying to approach me again and help me, giving me insights and answers. I'm happy it did. Anyway, sorry for geing carried away. >From >Wolfy > > Panayiotis ###### From: "Lone Wolf" Newsgroups: alt.out-of-body Subject: Re: Instructions for life (off topic?) Date: Thu, 18 Feb 1999 12:35:53 +1000 Organization: Customer of OzEmail/Access One Pty Ltd, Melbourne, Australia Lines: 44 Message-ID: <7aftr8$enh$1@news.mel.aone.net.au> References: <36c86fda.1696084@news.dial.pipex.com> <7abido$o9v$2@news.mel.aone.net.au> <7ad32t$rq8$1@perki.connect.com.au> <7adg74$a2p$1@news.mel.aone.net.au> <7afffk$bhj$1@perki.connect.com.au> NNTP-Posting-Host: d222-1.cpe.townsville.aone.net.au X-Trace: news.mel.aone.net.au 919304872 15089 203.61.32.222 (18 Feb 1999 02:27:52 GMT) NNTP-Posting-Date: 18 Feb 1999 02:27:52 GMT X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.3110.5 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.3110.3 Path: chonsp.franklin.ch!pfaff.ethz.ch!news-zh.switch.ch!news-ge.switch.ch!news.maxwell.syr.edu!news.mel.connect.com.au!news.mel.aone.net.au!newsfeed-in.aone.net.au!not-for-mail a_star_gazer wrote in message <7afffk$bhj$1@perki.connect.com.au>... >cool, I agreed with you initially to how you would know there eyes were >open, then when I thought a little more about my own experience I had to >remark I have no problem with that. >And the trust I am talking about is your life in their hands. >I would not want my life in someones hands who did not love me, i.e no trust >: ) Then I'm assuming you never use a taxi or bus for your transportation? :-) >>My opinions define my religon. > >true but due to changes in my life being so rapid and fluid it cannot >sustain a religion What I meant by my original remark is, never blindly follow the rest of the flock. You must form your own opinions, not follow someone elses. Always listen to other peoples opinions, but only follow your own. >Thanks for responding, none of this is flaming, I just like the discussion, >sometimes I may be seen as attacking, but its not you i'm attacking its my >inner self and my society rules. I take none of this as falming, and I am always open to a discussion. >ohh yeah one more thing, disregard everything I just said Oh... OK. From Wolfy ###### From: "Lone Wolf" Newsgroups: alt.out-of-body Subject: Re: Instructions for life (off topic?) Date: Thu, 18 Feb 1999 12:45:02 +1000 Organization: Customer of OzEmail/Access One Pty Ltd, Melbourne, Australia Lines: 16 Message-ID: <7aftra$enh$2@news.mel.aone.net.au> References: <36c86fda.1696084@news.dial.pipex.com> <7abido$o9v$2@news.mel.aone.net.au> <7ad32t$rq8$1@perki.connect.com.au> <7adg74$a2p$1@news.mel.aone.net.au> <36cac701.1739100@news.auth.gr> NNTP-Posting-Host: d222-1.cpe.townsville.aone.net.au X-Trace: news.mel.aone.net.au 919304874 15089 203.61.32.222 (18 Feb 1999 02:27:54 GMT) NNTP-Posting-Date: 18 Feb 1999 02:27:54 GMT X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.3110.5 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.3110.3 Path: chonsp.franklin.ch!pfaff.ethz.ch!news-zh.switch.ch!news-ge.switch.ch!newscore.univie.ac.at!news-spur1.maxwell.syr.edu!news.maxwell.syr.edu!news.mel.connect.com.au!news.mel.aone.net.au!newsfeed-in.aone.net.au!not-for-mail Panayiotis wrote in message <36cac701.1739100@news.auth.gr>... >On Wed, 17 Feb 1999 14:04:19 +1000, "Lone Wolf" > wrote: >But can you really love someone you don't trust? No. If you really love the person, you will trust them too. Well... thats my opinion. From Wolfy ###### From: Sabine Platz Newsgroups: alt.out-of-body Subject: Re: Instructions for life (off topic?) Date: Fri, 19 Feb 1999 10:36:08 +0000 Organization: DESY Lines: 82 Message-ID: <36CD3E98.DAFDB68B@desy.de> References: <36c86fda.1696084@news.dial.pipex.com> <7abido$o9v$2@news.mel.aone.net.au> <7ad32t$rq8$1@perki.connect.com.au> <7adg74$a2p$1@news.mel.aone.net.au> <36cac701.1739100@news.auth.gr> <7aftra$enh$2@news.mel.aone.net.au> <36cbde93.2536832@news.auth.gr> NNTP-Posting-Host: pcx1102.desy.de Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.05 [en] (WinNT; I) Path: chonsp.franklin.ch!pfaff.ethz.ch!news-zh.switch.ch!news-ge.switch.ch!feed2.news.luth.se!luth.se!news-peer-europe.sprintlink.net!news.sprintlink.net!Sprint!newsfeed1.swip.net!swipnet!newsfeed.tli.de!newsfeed.gamma.ru!Gamma.RU!Radio-MSU.net!claire.desy.de!not-for-mail Panayiotis wrote: > On Thu, 18 Feb 1999 12:45:02 +1000, "Lone Wolf" > wrote: > > > > >Panayiotis wrote in message <36cac701.1739100@news.auth.gr>... > >>On Wed, 17 Feb 1999 14:04:19 +1000, "Lone Wolf" > >> wrote: > > > >>But can you really love someone you don't trust? > > > > > >No. If you really love the person, you will trust them too. > > > >Well... thats my opinion. > > > > I feel that I love this person. I constantly have her in my mind and > try to help her in any way. But I can't yet trust her completely... > Whenever we're not together I keep fearing tha possibility someone > else will be with her... I try not to do so but I can't. But I love > her... > > Maybe "It's a matter of trust" as Placebo say :) > > I don't know. Who knows? Who knows *what*? > I'm happy I started asking questions to myself again. A few years ago > when I was very lonely and kind of miserable I was doing this a lot... > and I could find many answers and new aspects given to me... I also > beleived more in God and I was imagining I was talking with Jesus > Christ... it was nice. I guess I stopped doing these gradually when my > life got out of that blackness (or greyness) but I have to do it > again, I have to get closer to myself and seek answers, by asking > questions. After all, even though now my life seems good and almost > everything is good in it, I don't feel happy. I feel like something's > missing inside of me and I feel unhappy without knowing the reason. > Well the only reason I was thinking was the lack of my gf to show me > and give me her emotions and show me the love that I needed, or the > constant arguing wehave, but maybe it's more than that, maybe it's > something that has to do with me. After all, many times I understood > that I am viewing this relationship in a way different than the one > she does, sometimes I feel like we're transmitting in different > frequencies, we're out of phase... > All this is very important, don't apologize for it. I feel with you. I think you are basically a needy person, you were probably deprived when young and now you go through life with a hungry heart. It is so very understandable, and you are not the only one, believe me.People like you (and me and many others) just don't need a good relationship, they need a very good one with a loving, giving, devoted partner. You probably need someone with whom you are number one in life. Now your girlfriend likes to be loved and worshipped by you, but she is careless, because she loves less. This is very, very sad for you. And I don't know if there is a solution. The best thing would be to leave her and hope for a better relationship, but nobody can guarantee you that you ever find one. I once read in a book by Marylin French: Those of us who had a happy childhood are rewarded for it in life, those who had an unhappy one are punished for it. It is terrible, but it is true. It is only explained or understood by the idea of karma. Try to meditate, think positively, pray to your guardian angel and to Jesus, all of this helps. There is nothing more. > Well I got carried away a bit. But I'm happy I did. I feel like myself > started trying to approach me again and help me, giving me insights > and answers. I'm happy it did. > > Anyway, sorry for geing carried away. > > >From > >Wolfy > > > > > > Panayiotis ###### From: johnf@melbpc.org.au (John Fitzsimons) Newsgroups: alt.out-of-body Subject: Re: Instructions for life (off topic?) Date: Fri, 19 Feb 1999 11:59:09 GMT Organization: Melbourne PC User Group Inc, Australia Lines: 60 Message-ID: <36d3acd4.13099996@news.melbpc.org.au> References: <36c86fda.1696084@news.dial.pipex.com> <7abido$o9v$2@news.mel.aone.net.au> <7ad32t$rq8$1@perki.connect.com.au> <7adg74$a2p$1@news.mel.aone.net.au> <36cac701.1739100@news.auth.gr> <7aftra$enh$2@news.mel.aone.net.au> <36cbde93.2536832@news.auth.gr> NNTP-Posting-Host: b3-2.melbpc.org.au Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Newsreader: Forte Agent 1.5/32.451 Path: chonsp.franklin.ch!pfaff.ethz.ch!news-zh.switch.ch!news-ge.switch.ch!newscore.univie.ac.at!news-spur1.maxwell.syr.edu!news.maxwell.syr.edu!news.mel.connect.com.au!news2.melbpc.org.au!not-for-mail On Thu, 18 Feb 1999 10:27:27 GMT, lawgiver@csd.auth.gr (Panayiotis) wrote: >On Thu, 18 Feb 1999 12:45:02 +1000, "Lone Wolf" > wrote: < snip > >I feel that I love this person. I constantly have her in my mind and The words "love" and "dependency" are not necessarily the same thing IMO. >try to help her in any way. To make her love you ? Sounds like manipulation to me. Bet she knows that and resents it. >But I can't yet trust her completely... >Whenever we're not together I keep fearing tha possibility someone >else will be with her... Maybe she is with someone else ? Many females dislike possessive boyfriends. >I try not to do so but I can't. But I love her... If she loved you then I doubt that you would be so jealous. < snip > > I feel like something's >missing inside of me and I feel unhappy without knowing the reason. >Well the only reason I was thinking was the lack of my gf to show me >and give me her emotions and show me the love that I needed, You sound like a leech. If your girlfriend doesn't willingly want to love you then it is probably about time you "got the message". >or the >constant arguing wehave, but maybe it's more than that, maybe it's >something that has to do with me. After all, many times I understood >that I am viewing this relationship in a way different than the one >she does, sometimes I feel like we're transmitting in different >frequencies, we're out of phase... < snip > Why would anyone bother being with someone they were not in harmony with ? Sounds odd to me. Regards, John. **************************************************** ,-._|\ John Fitzsimons - Melbourne, Australia. / Oz \ johnf@melbpc.org.au, Fidonet 3:632/309 \_,--.x/ http://www.vicnet.net.au/~johnf/welcome.htm v http://www.alphalink.com.au/~johnf/ ###### From: "Lone Wolf" Newsgroups: alt.out-of-body Subject: Re: Instructions for life (off topic?) Date: Fri, 19 Feb 1999 21:00:53 +1000 Organization: Customer of OzEmail/Access One Pty Ltd, Melbourne, Australia Lines: 22 Message-ID: <7ajic2$k77$1@news.mel.aone.net.au> References: <36c86fda.1696084@news.dial.pipex.com> <7abido$o9v$2@news.mel.aone.net.au> <7ad32t$rq8$1@perki.connect.com.au> <7adg74$a2p$1@news.mel.aone.net.au> <36cac701.1739100@news.auth.gr> <7aftra$enh$2@news.mel.aone.net.au> <36cbde93.2536832@news.auth.gr> NNTP-Posting-Host: d196-1.cpe.townsville.aone.net.au X-Trace: news.mel.aone.net.au 919424194 20711 203.61.32.196 (19 Feb 1999 11:36:34 GMT) NNTP-Posting-Date: 19 Feb 1999 11:36:34 GMT X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.3110.5 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.3110.3 Path: chonsp.franklin.ch!pfaff.ethz.ch!news-zh.switch.ch!news-ge.switch.ch!enews.sgi.com!news-peer.gip.net!news.gsl.net!gip.net!news.maxwell.syr.edu!news.mel.connect.com.au!news.mel.aone.net.au!newsfeed-in.aone.net.au!not-for-mail Panayiotis wrote in message <36cbde93.2536832@news.auth.gr>... >I feel that I love this person. I constantly have her in my mind and >try to help her in any way. But I can't yet trust her completely... >Whenever we're not together I keep fearing tha possibility someone >else will be with her... I try not to do so but I can't. But I love >her... Well... I'm not going to comment on this because I don't want to insult you and because only you know the fine details of your problem. A large part of love is in the personality. I could never fall in love with the personality of someone who could willingly deceive me. Therefore, for me at least, I could never love someone I don't trust. There is more to it than that, but this is not alt.love. From Wolfy ###### From: Clairity@webtv.net (Clairity) Newsgroups: alt.out-of-body Subject: Re: Instructions for life (off topic?) Date: Fri, 19 Feb 1999 16:25:54 -0600 (CST) Organization: WebTV Subscriber Lines: 15 Message-ID: <4981-36CDE4F2-49@newsd-101.iap.bryant.webtv.net> References: <36c86fda.1696084@news.dial.pipex.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: localhost.webtv.net Mime-Version: 1.0 (WebTV) Content-Type: Text/Plain; Charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7Bit X-WebTV-Signature: 1 ETAtAhUArY7pSUE7gryGaWzQCpp6Ytfkj40CFCfNpT8XPZvLArFNV7oTxhzMbpEp Content-Disposition: Inline Path: chonsp.franklin.ch!pfaff.ethz.ch!news-zh.switch.ch!news-ge.switch.ch!news.maxwell.syr.edu!newsfeed.wli.net!su-news-hub1.bbnplanet.com!su-news-feed4.bbnplanet.com!news.gtei.net!webtv.net!not-for-mail << Julia wrote: INSTRUCTIONS FOR LIFE I liked this list, so I thought I would share it with you: >> ** Wonderful list snipped ** Julia, thanks so much for sharing this list! I have printed it out and I think I will also make copies for my co-workers (I return to work on Monday). ;-) Thanks again! Clairity ###### Message-ID: <36CF3C29.8CD26123@best.com> Date: Sat, 20 Feb 1999 14:50:18 -0800 From: Keith Smyth X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.5 [en] (Win95; I) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 Newsgroups: alt.out-of-body Subject: Re: Instructions for life (off topic?) References: <36c86fda.1696084@news.dial.pipex.com> <7abido$o9v$2@news.mel.aone.net.au> <7ad32t$rq8$1@perki.connect.com.au> <7adg74$a2p$1@news.mel.aone.net.au> <36cac701.1739100@news.auth.gr> <7aftra$enh$2@news.mel.aone.net.au> <36cbde93.2536832@news.auth.gr> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Lines: 117 NNTP-Posting-Host: smythkl.vip.best.com X-Trace: nntp1.ba.best.com 919551048 219 206.86.94.60 Path: chonsp.franklin.ch!pfaff.ethz.ch!news-zh.switch.ch!newsfeed-zh.ip-plus.net!news.ip-plus.net!News.Amsterdam.UnisourceCS!masternews.telia.net!news.algonet.se!algonet!news-peer-europe.sprintlink.net!Sprint!news-peer1.sprintlink.net!news.sprintlink.net!news.maxwell.syr.edu!news1.best.com!news3.best.com!nntp1.ba.best.com!not-for-mail Panayiotis wrote: > On Thu, 18 Feb 1999 12:45:02 +1000, "Lone Wolf" > wrote: > > > > >Panayiotis wrote in message <36cac701.1739100@news.auth.gr>... > >>On Wed, 17 Feb 1999 14:04:19 +1000, "Lone Wolf" > >> wrote: > > > >>But can you really love someone you don't trust? > > > > > >No. If you really love the person, you will trust them too. > > > >Well... thats my opinion. > > > > I feel that I love this person. I constantly have her in my mind and > try to help her in any way. But I can't yet trust her completely... > Whenever we're not together I keep fearing tha possibility someone > else will be with her... I try not to do so but I can't. But I love > her... > > Maybe "It's a matter of trust" as Placebo say :) > > I don't know. Who knows? Who knows *what*? > I'm happy I started asking questions to myself again. A few years ago > when I was very lonely and kind of miserable I was doing this a lot... > and I could find many answers and new aspects given to me... I also > beleived more in God and I was imagining I was talking with Jesus > Christ... it was nice. I guess I stopped doing these gradually when my > life got out of that blackness (or greyness) but I have to do it > again, I have to get closer to myself and seek answers, by asking > questions. After all, even though now my life seems good and almost > everything is good in it, I don't feel happy. I feel like something's > missing inside of me and I feel unhappy without knowing the reason. > Well the only reason I was thinking was the lack of my gf to show me > and give me her emotions and show me the love that I needed, or the > constant arguing wehave, but maybe it's more than that, maybe it's > something that has to do with me. After all, many times I understood > that I am viewing this relationship in a way different than the one > she does, sometimes I feel like we're transmitting in different > frequencies, we're out of phase... > > Well I got carried away a bit. But I'm happy I did. I feel like myself > started trying to approach me again and help me, giving me insights > and answers. I'm happy it did. > > Anyway, sorry for geing carried away. > > >From > >Wolfy > > > > > > Panayiotis Panayiotis: Been there. Done that. Got the scars. Took me a while to learn the following: 1. List all that you do to show being loving. 2. List all the things you want and need in order to feel being loved. Revise the list for one month, until you think you have it all down pretty good. Now, look around for a person who: 1. In order to feel being loved, wants and needs what you automatically do in being loving. 2 When showing being loving, does all the things you want and need in order to feel being loved. The reasons for this? Simple. We cannot define love. We cannot define "being in love". Being in love is an attitude, a state of mind. What we can define are the ways that we feel when we show lovingness, and what we feel when we are shown lovingness. If the person that you think you love does not show you love in the way you want and need in order to feel being loved, you are not going to feel being loved! Period. And the vice is also the versa! I have gone through a lot of weeds to find a rose. When you find a rose, be certain you do not grip too tightly, or you are going to get "Thorned" real good! You don't own them. You nurture them. And the vice is also the versa! When I finally learned to think with my heart, and not another part of my anatomy, I found my mate. Not only that, but in 17 years, we talk all the time, we have had no arugments - thats is a true statement. And she still thinks my jokes are funny, and I am still waiting for my first bad meal (she loves to cook). I have misunderstood what was said, or wanted, and so has she, but instead of getting angry, we asked for clarification - immediately followed by laughter. You can too. The thought process outlined above is no different than the thought process used in learning to do OOB's. Think about it. What you are doing in doing this listing is conditioning the non- conscious part of the mind, to attract to you that which you wish. Try it. What have you got to lose but your miseries? -- ----------------------------------------------------------------- You are the cause of everything that happens to you. Be very careful what you cause. ----------------------------------------------------------------- Keith L. Smyth ###### Message-ID: <36CF3CB7.5F38DA97@best.com> Date: Sat, 20 Feb 1999 14:52:39 -0800 From: Keith Smyth X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.5 [en] (Win95; I) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 Newsgroups: alt.out-of-body Subject: Re: Instructions for life (off topic?) References: <36c86fda.1696084@news.dial.pipex.com> <36c9bd34.499268@news.dial.pipex.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Lines: 28 NNTP-Posting-Host: smythkl.vip.best.com X-Trace: nntp1.ba.best.com 919551188 219 206.86.94.60 Path: chonsp.franklin.ch!pfaff.ethz.ch!news-zh.switch.ch!news-ge.switch.ch!feed2.news.luth.se!luth.se!news-peer-europe.sprintlink.net!news.sprintlink.net!Sprint!netnews.com!feed1.news.rcn.net!rcn!news2.best.com!news3.best.com!nntp1.ba.best.com!not-for-mail Julia Hawkes-Moore wrote: > On Mon, 15 Feb 1999 19:06:43 GMT, hawksmoor@dial.pipex.com (Julia > Hawkes-Moore) wrote: > >INSTRUCTIONS FOR LIFE > > I thought I would add a few myself: > 46. Learn to ask for help. > 47. Take off your shoes and walk barefoot on the grass sometimes. > 48. Make the effort to visit people you like. > 49. Enjoy the noise that children make just as much as the peace > of their sleep. > 50. The only certainty in life is that we should enjoy change. Julia: 51. Always tip the service person (unless the service was bad). 52. Call your mother. (actually this should be inserted between every 5th item! ) -- ----------------------------------------------------------------- You are the cause of everything that happens to you. Be very careful what you cause. ----------------------------------------------------------------- Keith L. Smyth