From: "Elliott Griffin" Newsgroups: alt.out-of-body Subject: Area51 Date: Wed, 13 Jan 1999 20:59:40 -0500 X-ELN-Insert-Date: Wed Jan 13 18:05:17 1999 X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.3155.0 Organization: EarthLink Network, Inc. X-Posted-Path-Was: not-for-mail Lines: 4 NNTP-Posting-Host: 1cust211.tnt1.rdu1.da.uu.net X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.3155.0 X-ELN-Date: 14 Jan 1999 02:02:05 GMT Message-ID: <77jj6t$m8l$1@fir.prod.itd.earthlink.net> Path: chonsp.franklin.ch!pfaff.ethz.ch!news-zh.switch.ch!news.belnet.be!newsfeed.wirehub.nl!news.maxwell.syr.edu!newsfeed.cwix.com!207.217.77.43!newsfeed1.earthlink.net!nntp.earthlink.net!posted-from-earthlink!not-for-mail has anyone ever tried taking a trip to area51 outside of the body :-) ###### From: Tina Phi Newsgroups: alt.out-of-body Subject: Re: Area51 Date: Wed, 13 Jan 1999 19:48:09 -0800 Organization: http://webmail.netscape.com/ Lines: 13 Message-ID: <369D68F9.3D318131@netscape.net> References: <77jj6t$m8l$1@fir.prod.itd.earthlink.net> NNTP-Posting-Host: 205.217.240.74 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.5 [en] (Win95; U) X-Accept-Language: en Path: chonsp.franklin.ch!pfaff.ethz.ch!news-zh.switch.ch!news-ge.switch.ch!news-fra1.dfn.de!news-was.dfn.de!news-spur1.maxwell.syr.edu!news.maxwell.syr.edu!newsfeed.berkeley.edu!news.stanford.edu!newsfeed.netscape.com!pixie.mcom.com!not-for-mail I wish! Now, if I could just get out ... Elliott Griffin wrote: > > has anyone ever tried taking a trip to area51 outside of the body :-) -- Tina Phi "You'll have a lot of laughs and Cadillacs and bubblebaths. Just say the word and he'll forget about your past." -Naked, "Raining on the Sky" ###### From: RianA Newsgroups: alt.out-of-body Subject: Re: Area51 Date: Wed, 13 Jan 1999 20:49:47 -0800 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit References: <77jj6t$m8l$1@fir.prod.itd.earthlink.net> X-Posted-Path-Was: not-for-mail Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-ELN-Date: 14 Jan 1999 04:46:54 GMT X-ELN-Insert-Date: Wed Jan 13 20:55:16 1999 Organization: EarthLink Network, Inc. Lines: 1 Mime-Version: 1.0 NNTP-Posting-Host: pool133-max1.ds36-ca-us.dialup.earthlink.net Message-ID: <369D776B.16223D9@earthlink.net> X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.04 [en] (Win95; U) Path: chonsp.franklin.ch!pfaff.ethz.ch!news-zh.switch.ch!news.belnet.be!newsfeed.wirehub.nl!netnews.com!newsswitch.lcs.mit.edu!newsfeed.berkeley.edu!newsfeed1.earthlink.net!nntp.earthlink.net!posted-from-earthlink!not-for-mail i'm dense, where is area51? ###### From: "Bandit450" Newsgroups: alt.out-of-body References: <77jj6t$m8l$1@fir.prod.itd.earthlink.net> Subject: Re: Area51 Lines: 20 Organization: Lightning Computers X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.3110.1 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.3110.3 Message-ID: Date: Wed, 13 Jan 1999 22:42:37 -0500 NNTP-Posting-Host: 206.172.137.168 X-Trace: news20.bellglobal.com 916285354 206.172.137.168 (Wed, 13 Jan 1999 22:42:34 EDT) NNTP-Posting-Date: Wed, 13 Jan 1999 22:42:34 EDT Path: chonsp.franklin.ch!pfaff.ethz.ch!news-zh.switch.ch!newsfeed-zh.ip-plus.net!news.ip-plus.net!news-nyc.telia.net!newsfeed.cwix.com!206.172.150.11!news1.bellglobal.com!news20.bellglobal.com.POSTED!not-for-mail Heeeeey! That would be a good way to find the truth! I know someone who is an expert at this...I'll get him to check what's there. The truth is out there! -- Bandit450---The official jazzed up, swinging nerd fool of ANO "Dammit, Jim, I'm a nerd not a doctor!!" http://bandit450.cjb.net Elliott Griffin wrote in message <77jj6t$m8l$1@fir.prod.itd.earthlink.net>... >has anyone ever tried taking a trip to area51 outside of the body :-) > > > > ###### From: hawksmoor@dial.pipex.com (Julia Hawkes-Moore) Newsgroups: alt.out-of-body Subject: Re: Area51 Date: Fri, 15 Jan 1999 07:24:27 GMT Organization: UUNET WorldCom server (post doesn't reflect views of UUNET WorldCom) Lines: 38 Message-ID: <369ee98c.779660@news.dial.pipex.com> References: <77jj6t$m8l$1@fir.prod.itd.earthlink.net> NNTP-Posting-Host: aa151.du.pipex.com X-Newsreader: Forte Free Agent 1.1/16.230 Path: chonsp.franklin.ch!pfaff.ethz.ch!news-zh.switch.ch!news.belnet.be!newsfeed.wirehub.nl!btnet-peer!btnet!rill.news.pipex.net!pipex!bore.news.pipex.net!pipex!not-for-mail On Wed, 13 Jan 1999 20:59:40 -0500, "Elliott Griffin" wrote: >has anyone ever tried taking a trip to area51 outside of the body :-) I did. I just said 'Area 51' and whooshed there over the Atlantic and lower over a lot of scrubby wasteland. There was a huge area of dusty jeep-tracked land, ringed with electric fences. There were rows of partly-underground vast buildings like aircraft hangers. I thoughty, oooh, I could see whether they have any ufos in there, so I went looking in each one. There were odd looking planes and flying machines by the score, but nothing alien. Then I came across a room all painted white, sterile, I suppose, with dissected alien machine parts laid out across the floor. The next hanger was very well locked but inside it was a small but almost perfect (some dents) mercury-silver shining ufo. I got inside this and tried to fit into the pilot's reclining seat, but it was child-sized, and very awkward for an adult human. The controls were semi-telepathic plus a panel to be touched by long fingers. I touched this and tried sending thought messages into it to make it work. When I tried a 'healing' thought type, the machine lifted up and floated. The effort of sustaining the thought for long enough to cross the gaps between stars impressed me. I think that if I had flown it through the roof, it would have physically smashed through, and I didn't want to dent it again. I returned home. The interesting thing was that for the entire duration of my visit, there was a low buzzing sensation like tv or radio interference. I read somewhere that they have machines which interefere with remote viewers in area 51 and other secret military places. Certainly the buzzing was strongest from around the starship. I had the sensation that a human remote viewer was regularly scanning the site against 'invaders' like me, but was not concentratiuoing particularly, and missed me every time. It seemed that he was bored and didn't really expect anyone to visit! The phrase 'it's only a job' came across at one point. Perhaps we should all go there next full moon... All best wishes, Julia Hawkes-Moore. ###### From: "Elliott Griffin" Newsgroups: alt.out-of-body Subject: Re: Area51 Date: Fri, 15 Jan 1999 13:06:57 -0500 References: <77jj6t$m8l$1@fir.prod.itd.earthlink.net> <369ee98c.779660@news.dial.pipex.com> X-Posted-Path-Was: not-for-mail X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.3155.0 X-ELN-Date: 15 Jan 1999 18:09:26 GMT X-ELN-Insert-Date: Fri Jan 15 10:15:07 1999 Organization: EarthLink Network, Inc. X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.3155.0 Lines: 11 NNTP-Posting-Host: 1cust117.tnt2.rdu1.da.uu.net Message-ID: <77o08m$ree$1@oak.prod.itd.earthlink.net> Path: chonsp.franklin.ch!pfaff.ethz.ch!news-zh.switch.ch!newsfeed-zh.ip-plus.net!news.ip-plus.net!news-nyc.telia.net!news.idt.net!news.maxwell.syr.edu!newsfeed.cwix.com!207.217.77.43!newsfeed1.earthlink.net!nntp.earthlink.net!posted-from-earthlink!not-for-mail Julia Hawkes-Moore wrote in message <369ee98c.779660@news.dial.pipex.com>... >On Wed, 13 Jan 1999 20:59:40 -0500, "Elliott Griffin" > wrote: >>has anyone ever tried taking a trip to area51 outside of the body :-) > Do you guys think that the government has devices that can detect oob folks :-) ###### From: J L Williams Newsgroups: alt.out-of-body Subject: Re: Area51 Date: Fri, 15 Jan 1999 16:00:28 GMT Lines: 27 Message-ID: <1999011516002875767@zetnet.co.uk> References: <77jj6t$m8l$1@fir.prod.itd.earthlink.net> <369ee98c.779660@news.dial.pipex.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: user-10003900.zetnet.co.uk X-Mailer: ZIMACS Version 1.20c 10003900 Path: chonsp.franklin.ch!pfaff.ethz.ch!news-zh.switch.ch!news.belnet.be!195.200.0.51.MISMATCH!newshub.bart.net!ayres.ftech.net!news.ftech.net!peer.news.zetnet.net!zetnet.co.uk!user-10003900.zetnet.co.uk!not-for-mail The message <369ee98c.779660@news.dial.pipex.com> from hawksmoor@dial.pipex.com (Julia Hawkes-Moore) contains these words: > On Wed, 13 Jan 1999 20:59:40 -0500, "Elliott Griffin" > wrote: > >has anyone ever tried taking a trip to area51 outside of the body :-) > I did. I just said 'Area 51' and whooshed there over the Atlantic > and lower over a lot of scrubby wasteland. <> > Perhaps we should all go there next full moon... Now that would be an interesting flight! :-) Do you think they monitor this NG and would they be ready to repel all boarders? :-) Jim > All best wishes, Julia Hawkes-Moore. ###### From: hawksmoor@dial.pipex.com (Julia Hawkes-Moore) Newsgroups: alt.out-of-body Subject: Re: Area51 Date: Fri, 15 Jan 1999 18:37:48 GMT Organization: UUNET WorldCom server (post doesn't reflect views of UUNET WorldCom) Lines: 10 Message-ID: <369f8aa7.652289@news.dial.pipex.com> References: <77jj6t$m8l$1@fir.prod.itd.earthlink.net> <369ee98c.779660@news.dial.pipex.com> <1999011516002875767@zetnet.co.uk> NNTP-Posting-Host: aa151.du.pipex.com X-Newsreader: Forte Free Agent 1.1/16.230 Path: chonsp.franklin.ch!pfaff.ethz.ch!news-zh.switch.ch!news.belnet.be!newspump.monmouth.com!newspeer.monmouth.com!rill.news.pipex.net!pipex!bore.news.pipex.net!pipex!not-for-mail On Fri, 15 Jan 1999 16:00:28 GMT, J L Williams wrote: >Now that would be an interesting flight! :-) Do you think they >monitor this NG and would they be ready to repel all boarders? :-) >Jim Well, I think it would be interesting to find that out, don't you?! All best wishes, Julia Hawkes-Moore. ###### From: J L Williams Newsgroups: alt.out-of-body Subject: Re: Area51 Date: Fri, 15 Jan 1999 23:26:28 GMT Message-ID: <1999011523262875767@zetnet.co.uk> References: <77jj6t$m8l$1@fir.prod.itd.earthlink.net> <369ee98c.779660@news.dial.pipex.com> <1999011516002875767@zetnet.co.uk> <369f8aa7.652289@news.dial.pipex.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: user-10003900.zetnet.co.uk X-Mailer: ZIMACS Version 1.20c 10003900 Lines: 30 Path: chonsp.franklin.ch!pfaff.ethz.ch!news-zh.switch.ch!news.belnet.be!newsgate.cistron.nl!het.net!news-feed.inet.tele.dk!bofh.vszbr.cz!dispose.news.demon.net!demon!ayres.ftech.net!news.ftech.net!peer.news.zetnet.net!zetnet.co.uk!user-10003900.zetnet.co.uk!not-for-mail The message <369f8aa7.652289@news.dial.pipex.com> from hawksmoor@dial.pipex.com (Julia Hawkes-Moore) contains these words: At a guess the last visit was 2weeks/more ago ! Sooooooo the next one should be about 2 weeks time or so? I do need prompting but that said I will be trying my best. I do know that even if I do not go oob I am able to remote view, if Richard Silk's bonfire was anything to go by! Ok, I will have to find a diary/calender with the moon phases in it. I will make every effort to contact/view the chosen locality and you will have to tell me where to write my report. What protection do we need to provide for resistance to our oob explorations? Oooooooh this is going to be fun!!! Jim > On Fri, 15 Jan 1999 16:00:28 GMT, J L Williams > wrote: > >Now that would be an interesting flight! :-) Do you think they > >monitor this NG and would they be ready to repel all boarders? :-) > >Jim > Well, I think it would be interesting to find that out, don't you?! > All best wishes, Julia Hawkes-Moore. ###### From: "Lee W" Newsgroups: alt.out-of-body References: <77jj6t$m8l$1@fir.prod.itd.earthlink.net> <369ee98c.779660@news.dial.pipex.com> Subject: Re: Area51 Lines: 10 X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.3155.0 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.3155.0 Message-ID: Date: Sat, 16 Jan 1999 00:16:38 GMT NNTP-Posting-Host: 195.8.84.53 X-Complaints-To: abuse@clara.net X-Trace: nnrp2.clara.net 916445798 195.8.84.53 (Sat, 16 Jan 1999 00:16:38 BST) NNTP-Posting-Date: Sat, 16 Jan 1999 00:16:38 BST Path: chonsp.franklin.ch!pfaff.ethz.ch!news-zh.switch.ch!newsfeed-zh.ip-plus.net!news.ip-plus.net!news-nyc.telia.net!masternews.telia.net!news-feed.inet.tele.dk!bofh.vszbr.cz!news-lond.gip.net!demeter.clara.net!news.clara.net!nnrp2.clara.net!not-for-mail Hi Julia, What you describe sounds incredible that you visited Area51, but without sounding skeptical (I firmly believe that it could be possible) are you certain that you visited the real Area51 and it wasn't a thought created experience. Lee. ###### From: hawksmoor@dial.pipex.com (Julia Hawkes-Moore) Newsgroups: alt.out-of-body Subject: Re: Area51 Date: Sat, 16 Jan 1999 07:53:10 GMT Organization: UUNET WorldCom server (post doesn't reflect views of UUNET WorldCom) Lines: 29 Message-ID: <36a04298.47738393@news.dial.pipex.com> References: <77jj6t$m8l$1@fir.prod.itd.earthlink.net> <369ee98c.779660@news.dial.pipex.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: aa139.du.pipex.com X-Newsreader: Forte Free Agent 1.1/16.230 Path: chonsp.franklin.ch!pfaff.ethz.ch!news-zh.switch.ch!news.belnet.be!newspump.monmouth.com!newspeer.monmouth.com!rill.news.pipex.net!pipex!bore.news.pipex.net!pipex!not-for-mail On Sat, 16 Jan 1999 00:16:38 GMT, "Lee W" wrote: >What you describe sounds incredible that you visited Area51, but without >sounding skeptical (I firmly believe that it could be possible) are you >certain that you visited the real Area51 and it wasn't a thought created >experience. How can you tell? I can't tell. Only the USA Govt could tell us, and I don't suppose they will... Other trips I have made have been verified by the people receiving me, so I'm willing to allow for the possibility of being correct. Having studied a bit about UFOs there seems to be too much evidence accessible to us to deny them. Reliable friends of mine have seen one and 'been seen' by it. Hundreds of other people saw it around the same time and locality. The Mexican and Brazilian Govts. acknowledge that they exist, and the film of UFOs over Mexico City was very exciting. Certainly I would be shocked at the arrogance of the human species to be the only sentient beings in this vast universe - and amused at the embarrassment of being proved wrong! If the 'aliens' are living amongst us then I am comfortable with them existing on a different vibration or visible wavelength to us - isn't that exactly what we discuss daily in this newsgroup, after all? As someone who sees ghosts, astral travellers and angels, aliens cease to be impossible. Also, I have met this style or form of starship before, in another meditation. Either I really did travel to the bottom of the ocean (where the ship was sitting) or the occupants are willing to let me acknowledge their existence. Of course they would be spiritually and technologically more advanced than us, but also intrigued at how fast we are trying to catch up... All best wishes, Julia Hawkes-Moore. ###### From: hawksmoor@dial.pipex.com (Julia Hawkes-Moore) Newsgroups: alt.out-of-body Subject: Re: Area51 Date: Sat, 16 Jan 1999 07:58:36 GMT Organization: UUNET WorldCom server (post doesn't reflect views of UUNET WorldCom) Lines: 14 Message-ID: <36a04567.48455439@news.dial.pipex.com> References: <77jj6t$m8l$1@fir.prod.itd.earthlink.net> <369ee98c.779660@news.dial.pipex.com> <77o08m$ree$1@oak.prod.itd.earthlink.net> NNTP-Posting-Host: aa129.du.pipex.com X-Newsreader: Forte Free Agent 1.1/16.230 Path: chonsp.franklin.ch!pfaff.ethz.ch!news-zh.switch.ch!news-ge.switch.ch!news.maxwell.syr.edu!newsfeed.cwix.com!158.43.192.17!rill.news.pipex.net!pipex!bore.news.pipex.net!pipex!not-for-mail On Fri, 15 Jan 1999 13:06:57 -0500, "Elliott Griffin" wrote: >Do you guys think that the government has devices that can detect oob folks Such devices were described in 'Psychic Warrior' by David Morehouse (?). Kirlian and Aura photography would suggest that technology can detect such things. I read a book by Targ (?) which suggested that the Russians had been developing such interference technology, so I expect that the USA would do, it too. Certainly a trained remote viewer would be able to detect OOB travellers. So would a good Medium or Healer. I have met OOB travellers at Full Moon meets, or visiting my house, so it would seem logical. The interference I experienced at Area 51 would be a logical extension of these possibilities. JHM ###### From: hawksmoor@dial.pipex.com (Julia Hawkes-Moore) Newsgroups: alt.out-of-body Subject: Re: Area51 Date: Sat, 16 Jan 1999 08:06:18 GMT Organization: UUNET WorldCom server (post doesn't reflect views of UUNET WorldCom) Lines: 34 Message-ID: <36a046b3.48787021@news.dial.pipex.com> References: <77jj6t$m8l$1@fir.prod.itd.earthlink.net> <369ee98c.779660@news.dial.pipex.com> <1999011516002875767@zetnet.co.uk> <369f8aa7.652289@news.dial.pipex.com> <1999011523262875767@zetnet.co.uk> NNTP-Posting-Host: aa188.du.pipex.com X-Newsreader: Forte Free Agent 1.1/16.230 Path: chonsp.franklin.ch!pfaff.ethz.ch!news-zh.switch.ch!news.belnet.be!news-raspail.gip.net!news-lond.gip.net!rill.news.pipex.net!pipex!bore.news.pipex.net!pipex!not-for-mail On Fri, 15 Jan 1999 23:26:28 GMT, J L Williams wrote: > I do know that even if I do not go oob >I am able to remote view, if Richard Silk's bonfire was anything to go by! Indeed it was. I kept quiet about what you reported, but it fitted exactly with what I had seen in previous visits! You needed verification from Silk, not me! >Ok, I will have to find a diary/calender with the moon phases in it. Maddeningly, all three new diaries in our house exclude moon pghases. Please list the Full Moons for me and email them to me, as soon as you find the dates! >I will make every effort to contact/view the chosen locality and you >will have to tell me where to write my report. I got my wrist slapped a few times for reporting to the newsgroup instead of the website. But I have trouble locating the web site, several reports never reached it, and you can't discuss the report details with other travellers. So I am happy to do it all straight onto this newsgroup. >What protection do we need to provide for resistance to our oob >explorations? Oooooooh this is going to be fun!!! I use the mirror-surfaced eggshell of golden light technique, plus assistance from my Angel. I've always been fine! It's that thoughtform concept again; fear creates things which frighten you. I have a healthy lack of fear, so I only meet interesting things, not alarming ones. The mind of the USA military is probably the scariest thing I have ever contemplated, however... JHM ###### From: J L Williams Newsgroups: alt.out-of-body Subject: Re: Area51 Date: Sat, 16 Jan 1999 11:29:47 GMT Message-ID: <1999011611294775767@zetnet.co.uk> References: <77jj6t$m8l$1@fir.prod.itd.earthlink.net> <369ee98c.779660@news.dial.pipex.com> <1999011516002875767@zetnet.co.uk> <369f8aa7.652289@news.dial.pipex.com> <1999011523262875767@zetnet.co.uk> <36a046b3.48787021@news.dial.pipex.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: user-10003900.zetnet.co.uk X-Mailer: ZIMACS Version 1.20c 10003900 Lines: 23 Path: chonsp.franklin.ch!pfaff.ethz.ch!news-zh.switch.ch!news.belnet.be!newsgate.cistron.nl!het.net!news-feed.inet.tele.dk!bofh.vszbr.cz!dispose.news.demon.net!demon!peer.news.zetnet.net!zetnet.co.uk!user-10003900.zetnet.co.uk!not-for-mail The message <36a046b3.48787021@news.dial.pipex.com> from hawksmoor@dial.pipex.com (Julia Hawkes-Moore) contains these words: So I am happy to do it all straight > onto this newsgroup. <> The mind of the USA military is > probably the scariest thing I have ever contemplated, however... Er....mmmmmmm, putting those two phrases together.............would it be wise to post anything...here, or anywhere? Just an afterthought! Jim PS Just found out that the next new moon is *TOMORROW NIGHT* ie Sunday! What time do you think? > JHM ###### From: Ken S. Newsgroups: alt.out-of-body Subject: Re: Area51 Date: 16 Jan 1999 17:19:29 PST Organization: Concentric Internet Services Lines: 30 Message-ID: <36a239c6.26406370@news.ke9nr.org> References: <77jj6t$m8l$1@fir.prod.itd.earthlink.net> <369ee98c.779660@news.dial.pipex.com> <1999011516002875767@zetnet.co.uk> <369f8aa7.652289@news.dial.pipex.com> <1999011523262875767@zetnet.co.uk> <36a046b3.48787021@news.dial.pipex.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: ts003d13.las-nv.concentric.net Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Newsreader: Forte Agent 1.5/32.452 Path: chonsp.franklin.ch!pfaff.ethz.ch!news-zh.switch.ch!news-ge.switch.ch!news.maxwell.syr.edu!newspeer.monmouth.com!newsfeed.concentric.net!global-news-master Hi Julia - On Sat, 16 Jan 1999 08:06:18 GMT, hawksmoor@dial.pipex.com (Julia Hawkes-Moore) wrote: > Maddeningly, all three new diaries in our house exclude moon >pghases. Please list the Full Moons for me and email them to me, as >soon as you find the dates! According to my 1999 calendar, the full moon dates are: 01-Jan 31-Jan 02-Mar 31-Mar 30-Apr 30-May 28-Jun 28-Jul 26-Aug 25-Sep 24-Oct 23-Nov 22-Dec (Winter Solstice also) Hmm ... full moon and Winter Solstice on the same day. Could get interesting! The Other Ken http://www.ke9nr.org/ ###### Message-ID: <36A10A2A.103494F6@the.end.of.the.message> Date: Sun, 17 Jan 1999 08:52:42 +1100 From: Craig Organization: Deja Vous X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.05 [en] (Win95; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 Newsgroups: alt.out-of-body Subject: Re: Area51 References: <77jj6t$m8l$1@fir.prod.itd.earthlink.net> <369ee98c.779660@news.dial.pipex.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit NNTP-Posting-Host: 203.18.28.10 X-Trace: 17 Jan 1999 21:37:45 +1000, 203.18.28.10 Lines: 44 Path: chonsp.franklin.ch!pfaff.ethz.ch!news-zh.switch.ch!news.belnet.be!194.165.93.117.MISMATCH!newshub.bart.net!newsfeed.wirehub.nl!btnet-peer!btnet!news-lond.gip.net!rill.news.pipex.net!pipex!ams.uu.net!ffx.uu.net!in2.uu.net!nap-ns1!203.18.28.10 Julia Hawkes-Moore wrote: > > The interesting thing was that for the entire duration of my visit, > there was a low buzzing sensation like tv or radio interference. > I read somewhere that they have machines which interefere with remote > viewers in area 51 and other secret military places. Certainly the > buzzing was strongest from around the starship. I had the sensation > that a human remote viewer was regularly scanning the site against > 'invaders' like me, but was not concentratiuoing particularly, and > missed me every time. It seemed that he was bored and didn't really > expect anyone to visit! The phrase 'it's only a job' came across at > one point. Hi Julia. So fascinating that you felt these sensations while in A51. I've often wondered about the actual effect on travellers when confronted with a faraday cage. I don't really know enough about these devices to really comment, but after reading what I have on then and the apparent shielding effect they have on the ability for someone OOB to pass through them, I would have come to the conclusion that if this were indeed so, would the American government not have set something up similar within the really important areas of A51 to try and stop remote viewing or astral visits? If the NSA is into remote viewing as much as we are lead to believe, then it would be possible that such devices would be employed to stop snooping. Maybe, if they are being used, they are not 100% protective and while inside them we feel these strange sensations. Or maybe some people, like yourself, have the ability to somehow pass through them, an then have a little trouble focusing. Just a thought. :-) All the best Craig -- The sure way to make a thing impossible- -is to think it so. --- Franklin To respond, delete _nospam_ scrappy@_nospam_netconnect.com.au -- ###### From: hawksmoor@dial.pipex.com (Julia Hawkes-Moore) Newsgroups: alt.out-of-body Subject: Re: Area51 Date: Sun, 17 Jan 1999 09:18:44 GMT Organization: UUNET WorldCom server (post doesn't reflect views of UUNET WorldCom) Message-ID: <36a1aaad.338338@news.dial.pipex.com> References: <77jj6t$m8l$1@fir.prod.itd.earthlink.net> <369ee98c.779660@news.dial.pipex.com> <1999011516002875767@zetnet.co.uk> <369f8aa7.652289@news.dial.pipex.com> <1999011523262875767@zetnet.co.uk> <36a046b3.48787021@news.dial.pipex.com> <36a239c6.26406370@news.ke9nr.org> NNTP-Posting-Host: aa147.du.pipex.com X-Newsreader: Forte Free Agent 1.1/16.230 Lines: 6 Path: chonsp.franklin.ch!pfaff.ethz.ch!news-zh.switch.ch!news.belnet.be!newsgate.cistron.nl!het.net!news-feed.inet.tele.dk!bofh.vszbr.cz!dispose.news.demon.net!demon!nntp.news.xara.net!xara.net!rill.news.pipex.net!pipex!bore.news.pipex.net!pipex!not-for-mail On 16 Jan 1999 17:19:29 PST, Ken S. wrote: >Hmm ... full moon and Winter Solstice on the same day. Could get >interesting! Also the fifth birthday of my son Gabriel, so well worth looking forward to! Thanks, Jim. JHM ###### From: J L Williams Newsgroups: alt.out-of-body Subject: Re: Area51 Date: Sun, 17 Jan 1999 10:03:52 GMT Message-ID: <1999011710035275767@zetnet.co.uk> References: <77jj6t$m8l$1@fir.prod.itd.earthlink.net> <369ee98c.779660@news.dial.pipex.com> <1999011516002875767@zetnet.co.uk> <369f8aa7.652289@news.dial.pipex.com> <1999011523262875767@zetnet.co.uk> <36a046b3.48787021@news.dial.pipex.com> <36a239c6.26406370@news.ke9nr.org> <36a1aaad.338338@news.dial.pipex.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: user-10003900.zetnet.co.uk X-Mailer: ZIMACS Version 1.20c 10003900 Lines: 19 Path: chonsp.franklin.ch!pfaff.ethz.ch!news-zh.switch.ch!news.belnet.be!newsfeed.wirehub.nl!ayres.ftech.net!news.ftech.net!dispose.news.demon.net!demon!peer.news.zetnet.net!zetnet.co.uk!user-10003900.zetnet.co.uk!not-for-mail The message <36a1aaad.338338@news.dial.pipex.com> from hawksmoor@dial.pipex.com (Julia Hawkes-Moore) contains these words: > On 16 Jan 1999 17:19:29 PST, Ken S. wrote: > >Hmm ... full moon and Winter Solstice on the same day. Could get > >interesting! > Also the fifth birthday of my son Gabriel, so well worth looking > forward to! Thanks, Jim. > JHM No, I didn't send this Julia, it was Ken S. Thanks Ken, please ignore my other note which said it is today ;-( It is a NEW moon today not a full one...hrummmmmf :) Jim ###### From: J L Williams Newsgroups: alt.out-of-body Subject: Re: Area51 Date: Sun, 17 Jan 1999 10:26:49 GMT Lines: 27 Message-ID: <1999011710264975767@zetnet.co.uk> References: <77jj6t$m8l$1@fir.prod.itd.earthlink.net> <369ee98c.779660@news.dial.pipex.com> <1999011516002875767@zetnet.co.uk> <369f8aa7.652289@news.dial.pipex.com> <1999011523262875767@zetnet.co.uk> <36a046b3.48787021@news.dial.pipex.com> <1999011611294775767@zetnet.co.uk> NNTP-Posting-Host: user-10003900.zetnet.co.uk X-Mailer: ZIMACS Version 1.20c 10003900 Path: chonsp.franklin.ch!pfaff.ethz.ch!news-zh.switch.ch!news.belnet.be!newsfeed.wirehub.nl!ayres.ftech.net!news.ftech.net!peer.news.zetnet.net!zetnet.co.uk!user-10003900.zetnet.co.uk!not-for-mail The message <1999011611294775767@zetnet.co.uk> from J L Williams contains these words: > The message <36a046b3.48787021@news.dial.pipex.com> > from hawksmoor@dial.pipex.com (Julia Hawkes-Moore) contains these words: > Jim > PS Just found out that the next new moon is *TOMORROW NIGHT* ie > Sunday! What time do you think? Sorry about that! You needed (and have now got) the Full Moon :) Jim > > JHM ###### From: hawksmoor@dial.pipex.com (Julia Hawkes-Moore) Newsgroups: alt.out-of-body Subject: Re: Area51 Date: Sun, 17 Jan 1999 13:42:02 GMT Organization: UUNET WorldCom server (post doesn't reflect views of UUNET WorldCom) Lines: 25 Message-ID: <36a1e7cf.15985207@news.dial.pipex.com> References: <77jj6t$m8l$1@fir.prod.itd.earthlink.net> <369ee98c.779660@news.dial.pipex.com> <36A10A2A.103494F6@the.end.of.the.message> NNTP-Posting-Host: aa131.du.pipex.com X-Newsreader: Forte Free Agent 1.1/16.230 Path: chonsp.franklin.ch!pfaff.ethz.ch!news-zh.switch.ch!news-ge.switch.ch!isdnet!netnews.com!newsfeed.berkeley.edu!join.news.pipex.net!pipex!warm.news.pipex.net!bore.news.pipex.net!pipex!not-for-mail On Sun, 17 Jan 1999 08:52:42 +1100, Craig wrote: >I've often >wondered about the actual effect on travellers when confronted with a >faraday cage. I don't really know enough about these devices to really >comment, but after reading what I have on then and the apparent >shielding effect they have on the ability for someone OOB to pass >through them, I would have come to the conclusion that if this were >indeed so, would the American government not have set something up >similar within the really important areas of A51 to try and stop remote >viewing or astral visits? If the NSA is into remote viewing as much as >we are lead to believe, then it would be possible that such devices >would be employed to stop snooping. Maybe, if they are being used, they >are not 100% protective and while inside them we feel these strange >sensations. Or maybe some people, like yourself, have the ability to >somehow pass through them, an then have a little trouble focusing. Just >a thought. :-) Oh, that's what it's called, then! I felt that it was very low-grade and did not affect my viewing too much, but if it was turned up high (are they adjustable?) there would be a lot of static electricity (?) buzzing and humming about. Up high enough, and it would cause a fuzzy 'grey-out' effect, and probably some bad headaches... Not too much of a bother though, when I visited. JHM ###### Path: chonsp.franklin.ch!usenet From: Neil Franklin Newsgroups: alt.out-of-body Subject: Re: Area51 Date: 17 Jan 1999 23:50:21 +0100 Organization: My own Private Self Lines: 62 Sender: neil@chonsp.franklin.ch Message-ID: References: <77jj6t$m8l$1@fir.prod.itd.earthlink.net> <369ee98c.779660@news.dial.pipex.com> <36A10A2A.103494F6@the.end.of.the.message> <36a1e7cf.15985207@news.dial.pipex.com> X-Newsreader: Gnus v5.3/Emacs 19.34 hawksmoor@dial.pipex.com (Julia Hawkes-Moore) writes: > > On Sun, 17 Jan 1999 08:52:42 +1100, Craig > > > >I've often > >wondered about the actual effect on travellers when confronted with a > >faraday cage. I don't really know enough about these devices to really > >comment, but after reading what I have on then and the apparent > >shielding effect they have on the ability for someone OOB to pass Hmmmmmmmmmmmm..... I would very strongly doubt that an faraday cage would interfere with OBEers or RVers or anything else paranormal. As an electrical engineer who has used one (to stop radio waves from an transmitter I was testing from disturbing radio reception in the surrounding area) I will give you an description of how these (at least the one I used) are made: This was an wood frame (5x4 metres floor space, 2.5 m high) with lots of wire mesh (the zig-zag stuff used for fences) spanned over all 4 sides and the top and bottom. All the wires were ensured to be in electrical contact with each other. The door to this "room" was on rectangular hole section out of one sides mesh, spanned over an separate frame that held it over the hole, it was connected by an cable to the rest of the meshing. The "trick" is that the largest surface that radio waves made inside could try to exit throuh was smaller than the wave legth of the waves, so they allways hit wire and get shorted out -> no broadcast, no radio disturbance. As parapsychic effects don't seem to be based on electromagnetic waves (else they would diminish by factor 4 for each doubling of distance) I doubt an f c would stop them. If you want to know for sure. An f c is cheap to make. Just wire mesh and wood. And you don't need such an big one (this one gave space for 4 workbenches and 4 people workspace and the small radio transmitter). > (are they adjustable?) No. They contain no active parts, just spanned wire. > there would be a lot of static electricity (?) > buzzing and humming about. Up high enough, and it would cause a fuzzy > 'grey-out' effect, and probably some bad headaches... Not too much of > a bother though, when I visited. I would suppose that to be more likely the UFOs "engine". -- Neil Franklin, Nerd, Geek, Unix Guru, Hacker, Mystic neil@franklin.ch.remove http://neil.franklin.ch/ Programming: when you stop hammering around on the computer as if it were a piece of dumb matter and instead tell it what to do for you ###### Path: chonsp.franklin.ch!usenet From: Neil Franklin Newsgroups: alt.out-of-body Subject: Re: Area51 Date: 18 Jan 1999 00:13:23 +0100 Organization: My own Private Self Lines: 32 Sender: neil@chonsp.franklin.ch Message-ID: References: <77jj6t$m8l$1@fir.prod.itd.earthlink.net> <369ee98c.779660@news.dial.pipex.com> <36A10A2A.103494F6@the.end.of.the.message> <36a1e7cf.15985207@news.dial.pipex.com> X-Newsreader: Gnus v5.3/Emacs 19.34 Following up my own post, after less than 10 minutes, getting the hang of this > > As parapsychic effects don't seem to be based on electromagnetic waves > (else they would diminish by factor 4 for each doubling of distance) I > doubt an f c would stop them. > > If you want to know for sure. An f c is cheap to make. Just wire mesh > and wood. And you don't need such an big one (this one gave space for > 4 workbenches and 4 people workspace and the small radio transmitter). Me stupid. You don't even need to build an own f c. Just go to the next one! Any windowless room in an building with iron reinforced concrete walls and iron doors will do. That is after all what kills off mobile phones in such places! Or go into the middle of an tunnel with same type of walls/roof. Simply OBE in there and try to pass out trough the walls. I suppose even simply trying to pass through an piece of sheet iron (a car roof will do) would also suffice as test. Actually there have been people go OBE while driving and find themselves hovering above the car, so that one has been done. -- Neil Franklin, Nerd, Geek, Unix Guru, Hacker, Mystic neil@franklin.ch.remove http://neil.franklin.ch/ Programming: when you stop hammering around on the computer as if it were a piece of dumb matter and instead tell it what to do for you ###### From: trubane@texas.net (Thomas RuBane) Newsgroups: alt.out-of-body Subject: Re: Area51 Message-ID: References: <77jj6t$m8l$1@fir.prod.itd.earthlink.net> <369D776B.16223D9@earthlink.net> X-Newsreader: MT-NewsWatcher 2.4 Lines: 16 Date: Mon, 18 Jan 1999 01:21:25 -0600 NNTP-Posting-Host: 129.120.52.53 X-Trace: news1.giganews.com 916644078 129.120.52.53 (Mon, 18 Jan 1999 01:21:18 CDT) NNTP-Posting-Date: Mon, 18 Jan 1999 01:21:18 CDT Path: chonsp.franklin.ch!pfaff.ethz.ch!news-zh.switch.ch!news-ge.switch.ch!news.maxwell.syr.edu!newsfeed.cwix.com!207.207.0.26!nntp.giganews.com!news1.giganews.com.POSTED!ng message.trubane In article <369D776B.16223D9@earthlink.net>, RianA wrote: > i'm dense, where is area51? Area 51, also called Groom Lake and other various code names, is a governmnet installation in Nevada where some people believe the Govt. has UFO's and possibly alien bodies. The place really does exist. The U2 spy plain and SR-71 were both test flown there, and there is defineatlely alot of high-tech, top secret aircraft there. Shalom, Thomas RuBane ###### From: J L Williams Newsgroups: alt.out-of-body Subject: Re: Area51 Date: Mon, 18 Jan 1999 13:27:17 GMT Lines: 34 Message-ID: <1999011813271775767@zetnet.co.uk> References: <77jj6t$m8l$1@fir.prod.itd.earthlink.net> <369ee98c.779660@news.dial.pipex.com> <36A10A2A.103494F6@the.end.of.the.message> <36a1e7cf.15985207@news.dial.pipex.com> <36A2D9E1.8B8471E6@the.end.of.the.message> NNTP-Posting-Host: user-10003900.zetnet.co.uk X-Mailer: ZIMACS Version 1.20c 10003900 Path: chonsp.franklin.ch!pfaff.ethz.ch!news-zh.switch.ch!newsfeed-zh.ip-plus.net!news.ip-plus.net!news-nyc.telia.net!news-feed1.eu.concert.net!btnet-peer!btnet-feed1!btnet!peer.news.zetnet.net!zetnet.co.uk!user-10003900.zetnet.co.uk!not-for-mail The message <36A2D9E1.8B8471E6@the.end.of.the.message> from Craig contains these words: > When Robert Monroe (at least I think it was he) conducted an experiment, > where he projected from within a faraday cage, he said he could feel the > energy that the current gave off. I did not realize that faraday cages used any current at all. The one we had at my works was purely a passive piece of gridded metalwork that earthed out any radio waves whose wave length was equal to or larger than those chosen for isolation. Jim > All the best > Craig > -- > The sure way to make a thing impossible- > -is to think it so. --- Franklin > To respond, delete _nospam_ > scrappy@_nospam_netconnect.com.au > -- ###### Message-ID: <36A2D9E1.8B8471E6@the.end.of.the.message> Date: Mon, 18 Jan 1999 17:51:13 +1100 From: Craig Organization: Deja Vous X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.05 [en] (Win95; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 Newsgroups: alt.out-of-body Subject: Re: Area51 References: <77jj6t$m8l$1@fir.prod.itd.earthlink.net> <369ee98c.779660@news.dial.pipex.com> <36A10A2A.103494F6@the.end.of.the.message> <36a1e7cf.15985207@news.dial.pipex.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit NNTP-Posting-Host: 203.18.28.9 X-Trace: 18 Jan 1999 18:26:03 +1000, 203.18.28.9 Lines: 51 Path: chonsp.franklin.ch!pfaff.ethz.ch!news-zh.switch.ch!news.belnet.be!newsgate.cistron.nl!het.net!diablo.theplanet.net!remarQ-uK!remarQ-easT!supernews.com!router1.news.adelphia.net!uunet!in2.uu.net!nap-ns1!203.18.28.9 Julia Hawkes-Moore wrote: > > On Sun, 17 Jan 1999 08:52:42 +1100, Craig > wrote: > >I've often > >wondered about the actual effect on travellers when confronted with a > >faraday cage. I don't really know enough about these devices to really > >comment, but after reading what I have on then and the apparent > >shielding effect they have on the ability for someone OOB to pass > >through them, I would have come to the conclusion that if this were > >indeed so, would the American government not have set something up > >similar within the really important areas of A51 to try and stop remote > >viewing or astral visits? If the NSA is into remote viewing as much as > >we are lead to believe, then it would be possible that such devices > >would be employed to stop snooping. Maybe, if they are being used, they > >are not 100% protective and while inside them we feel these strange > >sensations. Or maybe some people, like yourself, have the ability to > >somehow pass through them, an then have a little trouble focusing. Just > >a thought. :-) > > Oh, that's what it's called, then! I felt that it was very low-grade > and did not affect my viewing too much, but if it was turned up high > (are they adjustable?) there would be a lot of static electricity (?) > buzzing and humming about. Up high enough, and it would cause a fuzzy > 'grey-out' effect, and probably some bad headaches... Not too much of > a bother though, when I visited. > JHM When Robert Monroe (at least I think it was he) conducted an experiment, where he projected from within a faraday cage, he said he could feel the energy that the current gave off. It felt just like what the cage looked like, only, instead of feeling the resistance one does when passing through objects astrally, it was only possible to push the *field* out of shape, not to pass through it at all. (Ghost catcher?) I s'pose if the current was dropped, the effectiveness of the field would be reduced, or the resistance would be less, IMO. Maybe some have the ability to pass through higher voltages than others. Some sort or resistance to the resistance. ;-) Although, I base this on AP more than RV, plus, that is if this is what they use at A51 at all. All the best Craig -- The sure way to make a thing impossible- -is to think it so. --- Franklin To respond, delete _nospam_ scrappy@_nospam_netconnect.com.au -- ###### From: "Ol' Bab" Newsgroups: alt.out-of-body Subject: Re: Area51 -Faraday cage? Date: Sun, 17 Jan 1999 17:20:29 -0500 Organization: Posted via RemarQ, http://www.remarQ.com - Discussions start here! Lines: 35 Message-ID: <77tnkn$msq$1@remarQ.com> References: <77jj6t$m8l$1@fir.prod.itd.earthlink.net> <369ee98c.779660@news.dial.pipex.com> <36A10A2A.103494F6@the.end.of.the.message> <36a1e7cf.15985207@news.dial.pipex.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: 208.157.150.91 X-Trace: 916611543 WPTGI0QGE965BD09DC usenet87.supernews.com X-Complaints-To: newsabuse@remarQ.com X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.2106.4 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.2106.4 Path: chonsp.franklin.ch!pfaff.ethz.ch!news-zh.switch.ch!newsfeed-zh.ip-plus.net!news.ip-plus.net!news-nyc.telia.net!howland.erols.net!remarQ73!supernews.com!remarQ69!not-for-mail Re Faraday cage -- Originally conceived to block radio frequency signals. Researchers in PSI have checked the cage's efficiency in blocking PSI. I know of no case where it was effective, but I have only read widely, not exhaustively. Well... OOB isn't PSI, necessarily. But consider: There could be another device or blocking method (ward?). Perhaps remotely derived from the Faraday cage, or not even slightly similar. If "they" do use a Faraday cage, how would they ever find out if it worked, except by asking Julia? Ol' Bab. Julia Hawkes-Moore wrote in message <36a1e7cf.15985207@news.dial.pipex.com>... >On Sun, 17 Jan 1999 08:52:42 +1100, Craig > wrote: >>I've often >>wondered about the actual effect on travellers when confronted with a >>faraday cage. I don't really know enough about these devices to really >>comment, but after reading what I have on then and the apparent >>shielding effect they have on the ability for someone OOB to pass >>through them, .......... [JNM}> Oh, that's what it's called, then! I felt that it was very low-grade >and did not affect my viewing too much, but if it was turned up high >(are they adjustable?) there would be a lot of static electricity (?) >buzzing and humming about. Up high enough, and it would cause a fuzzy >'grey-out' effect, and probably some bad headaches... Not too much of >a bother though, when I visited. >JHM ###### Path: chonsp.franklin.ch!usenet From: Neil Franklin Newsgroups: alt.out-of-body Subject: Re: Area51 Date: 18 Jan 1999 21:18:52 +0100 Organization: My own Private Self Lines: 38 Sender: neil@chonsp.franklin.ch Message-ID: References: <77jj6t$m8l$1@fir.prod.itd.earthlink.net> <369ee98c.779660@news.dial.pipex.com> <36A10A2A.103494F6@the.end.of.the.message> <36a1e7cf.15985207@news.dial.pipex.com> <36A2D9E1.8B8471E6@the.end.of.the.message> <1999011813271775767@zetnet.co.uk> X-Newsreader: Gnus v5.3/Emacs 19.34 J L Williams writes: > > from Craig contains these words: > > > When Robert Monroe (at least I think it was he) conducted an experiment, > > where he projected from within a faraday cage, he said he could feel the > > energy that the current gave off. > > I did not realize that faraday cages used any current at all. The one > we had at my works was purely a passive piece of gridded metalwork > that earthed out any radio waves whose wave length was equal to or > larger than those chosen for isolation. This also describes the one I used. But thinking about it. If you connected an RF source to the top and bottom of an faraday cage, then you would generate around the wiring an thin layer with an high electromagnetic flux. It is know that EM can be sensed by some people (including an radio HAM I know) as an humming/hammering feeling in the head. OTOH parapsychology and OBE don't seem to be EM based phenomena, so this should not interfere. But then there is the problem of ones thoughts becoming real in the astral realm. So perhaps whether one gets stopped is dependant on whether one expects it to stop one! Zhis would explain the difference between Monroe and Julia on this. -- Neil Franklin, Nerd, Geek, Unix Guru, Hacker, Mystic neil@franklin.ch.remove http://neil.franklin.ch/ Programming: when you stop hammering around on the computer as if it were a piece of dumb matter and instead tell it what to do for you ###### Message-ID: <36A3F1E8.C9DB4D93@privatei.com> From: The Original Ken Organization: As disorganized as possible X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.04 [en] (Win95; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 Newsgroups: alt.out-of-body Subject: Re: Area51 References: <77jj6t$m8l$1@fir.prod.itd.earthlink.net> <1999011822501475767@zetnet.co.uk> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Lines: 26 Date: Mon, 18 Jan 1999 19:46:00 -0700 NNTP-Posting-Host: 208.203.136.191 X-Trace: wormhole.dimensional.com 916714288 208.203.136.191 (Mon, 18 Jan 1999 19:51:28 MDT) NNTP-Posting-Date: Mon, 18 Jan 1999 19:51:28 MDT Path: chonsp.franklin.ch!pfaff.ethz.ch!news-zh.switch.ch!news-ge.switch.ch!isdnet!howland.erols.net!newsfeed.wli.net!su-news-hub1.bbnplanet.com!su-news-feed1.bbnplanet.com!news.gtei.net!pulsar.dimensional.com!dimensional.com!wormhole.dimensional.com!not-for-mail No doubt radar is used extensively in this area to detect incoming aircraft. In addition sonar might be used inside to detect motion. Both of these could be detected as a hum source. Ken J L Williams wrote: > > Julia experienced a buzzing was it? Or something similar. Well that > could be electrofied fencing which would be detectable as a mains hum > or similar. That we would expect in these circumstances. We actually > use these to contain cattle/sheep to particular areas of fields in > this country, albeit battery powered implulse type fences as opposed > to mains frequency fences. With national security at stake we would > use higher voltages and frequencies set to a value that would > immobilise/knockout/stun. > Mmmmmmmmmm, very interestiiiiiiiiiiiing > Jim > > > -- > > Neil Franklin, Nerd, Geek, Unix Guru, Hacker, Mystic > > neil@franklin.ch.remove http://neil.franklin.ch/ > > Programming: when you stop hammering around on the computer as if it > > were a piece of dumb matter and instead tell it what to do for you ###### From: James Saari/Francine Hollo Newsgroups: alt.out-of-body Subject: Re: Area51 Date: Mon, 18 Jan 1999 20:59:26 -0500 Lines: 58 Message-ID: <36A3E6FE.1AF5F4AC@mail.erols.com> References: <77jj6t$m8l$1@fir.prod.itd.earthlink.net> <369ee98c.779660@news.dial.pipex.com> <36A10A2A.103494F6@the.end.of.the.message> <36a1e7cf.15985207@news.dial.pipex.com> <36A2D9E1.8B8471E6@the.end.of.the.message> <1999011813271775767@zetnet.co.uk> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Trace: G0YcEbaerawaLjVuc3nFL11ThOzhp53xwKrgIUvvAIA= X-Complaints-To: abuse@rcn.com NNTP-Posting-Date: 19 Jan 1999 02:02:17 GMT X-Accept-Language: en X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.5 [en] (Win95; I) Path: chonsp.franklin.ch!pfaff.ethz.ch!news-zh.switch.ch!newsfeed-zh.ip-plus.net!news.ip-plus.net!news-nyc.telia.net!howland.erols.net!master.news.rcn.net!not-for-mail A Faraday cage is a topology, not a device, described by Michael Faraday. An enclosed, grounded conductor will block EM with wavelengths larger than 4 times the largest aperture. There isn't any "current" implicit in the topology. Speculatively, one could come up with an "active" Faraday cage. There exist active sound-deadening technology used in stealth helicoptors and the headphones they wore on the Voyager global flight. (See add for similiar headphones for your stereo, with a short explaination at http://www.ace-communications.com/21732a2.htm). A classical FC would prevent EM passing through the enclosed conductor. A "virtual FC" would use a transmission waveform to block out-bound (transmitted from inside) EM in a specific range of frequencies. Sort of a dampening jammer for installations for which it is impractical to construct a wire cage around. But this is a very complex electronics problem. Essentially, you have to have a transmitter that reads and responds to a range of radio frequencies very, very quickly and reproduces a complex wavefront over a large area. A most decided buzz... J L Williams wrote: > The message <36A2D9E1.8B8471E6@the.end.of.the.message> > from Craig contains these words: > > > > > When Robert Monroe (at least I think it was he) conducted an experiment, > > where he projected from within a faraday cage, he said he could feel the > > energy that the current gave off. > > I did not realize that faraday cages used any current at all. The one > we had at my works was purely a passive piece of gridded metalwork > that earthed out any radio waves whose wave length was equal to or > larger than those chosen for isolation. > Jim > > > > > All the best > > Craig > > -- > > The sure way to make a thing impossible- > > -is to think it so. --- Franklin > > > To respond, delete _nospam_ > > scrappy@_nospam_netconnect.com.au > > -- -- James E P Saari & Francine E Hollo-Saari Floris, Virginia ravenis@mail.erols.com -- [ ] -- If carpenters built buildings the way programmers wrote programs the first woodpecker that came along would destroy civilization itself. ###### From: J L Williams Newsgroups: alt.out-of-body Subject: Re: Area51 Date: Mon, 18 Jan 1999 22:50:14 GMT Message-ID: <1999011822501475767@zetnet.co.uk> References: <77jj6t$m8l$1@fir.prod.itd.earthlink.net> NNTP-Posting-Host: user-10003900.zetnet.co.uk X-Mailer: ZIMACS Version 1.20c 10003900 Lines: 78 Path: chonsp.franklin.ch!pfaff.ethz.ch!news-zh.switch.ch!newsfeed-zh.ip-plus.net!news.ip-plus.net!news-nyc.telia.net!masternews.telia.net!news-feed.inet.tele.dk!bofh.vszbr.cz!dispose.news.demon.net!demon!peer.news.zetnet.net!zetnet.co.uk!user-10003900.zetnet.co.uk!not-for-mail The message from Neil Franklin contains these words: > J L Williams writes: > > > > from Craig contains these words: > > > > > When Robert Monroe (at least I think it was he) conducted an experiment, > > > where he projected from within a faraday cage, he said he could feel the > > > energy that the current gave off. > > > > I did not realize that faraday cages used any current at all. The one > > we had at my works was purely a passive piece of gridded metalwork > > that earthed out any radio waves whose wave length was equal to or > > larger than those chosen for isolation. > This also describes the one I used. > But thinking about it. If you connected an RF source to the top and > bottom of an faraday cage, then you would generate around the wiring > an thin layer with an high electromagnetic flux. Ok, I agree with this but for what reason? A Farady cage is built and used for the reason of EXCLUDING frequencies by earthing them out. NOT for generating a field of energy/frequencies. I also agree with the fact ( in this physical world anyway) that a FC would not resist someone who is oob as was Julia. The obe'r is not a magnetic frequency, if s/he was then they would be detectable on an ordinary electo/magnetic sensor. So we could do tests and detect someone who is oob. This would have been done in all of these sleep laboratories we here about. It was recognised that obe'rs are not detectable with present day sensors. What would sense us when oob? > It is know that EM can be sensed by some people (including an radio > HAM I know) as an humming/hammering feeling in the head. But is this EM or something else? If it is EMI ( electro magnetic interference) then that can be seen and measured by present day instruments. We hear of no one proposing this? > OTOH parapsychology and OBE don't seem to be EM based phenomena, so > this should not interfere. Agreed, see above. I think > But then there is the problem of ones thoughts becoming real in the > astral realm. So perhaps whether one gets stopped is dependant on > whether one expects it to stop one! Zhis would explain the difference > between Monroe and Julia on this. Julia experienced a buzzing was it? Or something similar. Well that could be electrofied fencing which would be detectable as a mains hum or similar. That we would expect in these circumstances. We actually use these to contain cattle/sheep to particular areas of fields in this country, albeit battery powered implulse type fences as opposed to mains frequency fences. With national security at stake we would use higher voltages and frequencies set to a value that would immobilise/knockout/stun. Mmmmmmmmmm, very interestiiiiiiiiiiiing Jim > -- > Neil Franklin, Nerd, Geek, Unix Guru, Hacker, Mystic > neil@franklin.ch.remove http://neil.franklin.ch/ > Programming: when you stop hammering around on the computer as if it > were a piece of dumb matter and instead tell it what to do for you ###### From: hawksmoor@dial.pipex.com (Julia Hawkes-Moore) Newsgroups: alt.out-of-body Subject: Re: Area51 Date: Tue, 19 Jan 1999 09:29:03 GMT Organization: UUNET WorldCom server (post doesn't reflect views of UUNET WorldCom) Lines: 28 Message-ID: <36a44f0a.608678@news.dial.pipex.com> References: <77jj6t$m8l$1@fir.prod.itd.earthlink.net> <369ee98c.779660@news.dial.pipex.com> <36A10A2A.103494F6@the.end.of.the.message> <36a1e7cf.15985207@news.dial.pipex.com> <36A2D9E1.8B8471E6@the.end.of.the.message> <1999011813271775767@zetnet.co.uk> NNTP-Posting-Host: aa171.du.pipex.com X-Newsreader: Forte Free Agent 1.1/16.230 Path: chonsp.franklin.ch!pfaff.ethz.ch!news-zh.switch.ch!newsfeed-zh.ip-plus.net!news.ip-plus.net!news-nyc.telia.net!nntp.abs.net!howland.erols.net!rill.news.pipex.net!pipex!bore.news.pipex.net!pipex!not-for-mail On 18 Jan 1999 21:18:52 +0100, Neil Franklin wrote: >It is know that EM can be sensed by some people (including an radio >HAM I know) as an humming/hammering feeling in the head. For comparison's sake, when I pass under high voltage cables I get the deadening effect of a soft grey wooly paintroller passing through my head. With friends driving, I once tested this on a 10 mile stretch of road, sitting in the bask of the car with my eyes firmly shut. I correctly identified every power line which crossed the road, including two telephone lines which I wasn't so sure about. This buzzing was different, like the interference on a radio not tuned in and distracting, slightly irritating. > >OTOH parapsychology and OBE don't seem to be EM based phenomena, so >this should not interfere. So what could be giving off this interference? Jim suggested electrified fences which can give off waves, which sounds more likely. > >But then there is the problem of ones thoughts becoming real in the >astral realm. So perhaps whether one gets stopped is dependant on >whether one expects it to stop one! Zhis would explain the difference >between Monroe and Julia on this. Mmm, even though the US Military tries hard to be scary, I am an awful long way away from them... All best wishes JHM. ###### From: J L Williams Newsgroups: alt.out-of-body Subject: Re: Area51 Date: Tue, 19 Jan 1999 11:28:06 GMT Message-ID: <1999011911280675767@zetnet.co.uk> References: <77jj6t$m8l$1@fir.prod.itd.earthlink.net> <369ee98c.779660@news.dial.pipex.com> <36A10A2A.103494F6@the.end.of.the.message> <36a1e7cf.15985207@news.dial.pipex.com> <36A2D9E1.8B8471E6@the.end.of.the.message> <1999011813271775767@zetnet.co.uk> <36a44f0a.608678@news.dial.pipex.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: user-10003900.zetnet.co.uk X-Mailer: ZIMACS Version 1.20c 10003900 Lines: 53 Path: chonsp.franklin.ch!pfaff.ethz.ch!news-zh.switch.ch!news.belnet.be!newshub.bart.net!colt.net!dispose.news.demon.net!demon!peer.news.zetnet.net!zetnet.co.uk!user-10003900.zetnet.co.uk!not-for-mail The message <36a44f0a.608678@news.dial.pipex.com> from hawksmoor@dial.pipex.com (Julia Hawkes-Moore) contains these words: Jim here, > On 18 Jan 1999 21:18:52 +0100, Neil Franklin > wrote: > >It is know that EM can be sensed by some people (including an radio > >HAM I know) as an humming/hammering feeling in the head. > For comparison's sake, when I pass under high voltage cables I get > the deadening effect of a soft grey wooly paintroller passing through > my head. With friends driving, I once tested this on a 10 mile stretch > of road, sitting in the bask of the car with my eyes firmly shut. I > correctly identified every power line which crossed the road, > including two telephone lines which I wasn't so sure about. This > buzzing was different, like the interference on a radio not tuned in > and distracting, slightly irritating. Now that is an interesting experiment, that is what I used to get when going under power lines in my car with a radio switched on. > > > >OTOH parapsychology and OBE don't seem to be EM based phenomena, so > >this should not interfere. > So what could be giving off this interference? Jim suggested > electrified fences which can give off waves, which sounds more likely. They may have their own generators, or mains transformers but certainly one of the two. Each could be responsible for this. > > > >But then there is the problem of ones thoughts becoming real in the > >astral realm. So perhaps whether one gets stopped is dependant on > >whether one expects it to stop one! Zhis would explain the difference > >between Monroe and Julia on this. > Mmm, even though the US Military tries hard to be scary, I am an > awful long way away from them... If I can get to Tennessee in less than a second............. Do you know that I am quite willing to go somewhere else! We have nearly two weeks to consider other venues :) My psychic protection is almost non existant, I am but a mere beginner:) Jim > All best wishes JHM. ###### From: J L Williams Newsgroups: alt.out-of-body Subject: Re: Area51 Date: Tue, 19 Jan 1999 12:06:15 GMT Message-ID: <1999011912061575767@zetnet.co.uk> References: <77jj6t$m8l$1@fir.prod.itd.earthlink.net> <1999011822501475767@zetnet.co.uk> <36a4ff57.44779539@news.ke9nr.org> NNTP-Posting-Host: user-10003900.zetnet.co.uk X-Mailer: ZIMACS Version 1.20c 10003900 Lines: 47 Path: chonsp.franklin.ch!pfaff.ethz.ch!news-zh.switch.ch!news.belnet.be!newsgate.cistron.nl!het.net!news-feed.inet.tele.dk!bofh.vszbr.cz!dispose.news.demon.net!demon!peer.news.zetnet.net!zetnet.co.uk!user-10003900.zetnet.co.uk!not-for-mail The message <36a4ff57.44779539@news.ke9nr.org> from Ken S. contains these words: > Hi Jim - Hi the other Ken > On Mon, 18 Jan 1999 22:50:14 GMT, J L Williams > wrote: > >The obe'r is not a > >magnetic frequency, if s/he was then they would be detectable on an > >ordinary electo/magnetic sensor. So we could do tests and detect > >someone who is oob. This would have been done in all of these sleep > >laboratories we hear [corrected spelling] about. It was recognised that obe'rs are not > >detectable with present day sensors. > >What would sense us when oob? > But if the non-physical planes are in frequency ranges MUCH higher > than what science is currently capable of dealing with, it stands to > reason that someone who is OOB would not be detected by available > equipment. Mmmmmmmm, yes, but also out of my range of knowledge heh heh. Frequencies higher than light! > There's no reason to believe that the situation will always be this > way. > As science advances, it is quite possible that equipment will be built > which can detect OBEers and which can likewise detect the non-physical > planes. From there it is a short step to communications. > It may not be too many years in the future before you can talk to > deceased persons on your astralphone! I agree. The mind boggles! Well mine does when I contemplate the outcome of this :) Jim > The Other Ken > http://www.ke9nr.org/ ###### From: hawksmoor@dial.pipex.com (Julia Hawkes-Moore) Newsgroups: alt.out-of-body Subject: Re: Area51 Date: Tue, 19 Jan 1999 16:58:49 GMT Organization: UUNET WorldCom server (post doesn't reflect views of UUNET WorldCom) Lines: 24 Message-ID: <36a4b809.27486337@news.dial.pipex.com> References: <77jj6t$m8l$1@fir.prod.itd.earthlink.net> <369ee98c.779660@news.dial.pipex.com> <36A10A2A.103494F6@the.end.of.the.message> <36a1e7cf.15985207@news.dial.pipex.com> <36A2D9E1.8B8471E6@the.end.of.the.message> <1999011813271775767@zetnet.co.uk> <36a44f0a.608678@news.dial.pipex.com> <1999011911280675767@zetnet.co.uk> NNTP-Posting-Host: aa214.du.pipex.com X-Newsreader: Forte Free Agent 1.1/16.230 Path: chonsp.franklin.ch!pfaff.ethz.ch!news-zh.switch.ch!newsfeed-zh.ip-plus.net!news.ip-plus.net!news-nyc.telia.net!newsfeed.berkeley.edu!newsswitch.lcs.mit.edu!rill.news.pipex.net!pipex!bore.news.pipex.net!pipex!not-for-mail On Tue, 19 Jan 1999 11:28:06 GMT, J L Williams wrote: >If I can get to Tennessee in less than a second............. >Do you know that I am quite willing to go somewhere else! We have >nearly two weeks to consider other venues :) My psychic protection is >almost non existant, I am but a mere beginner:) >Jim Good for you, Jim. I expect I will get pounced on by John Fitzsimons for saying this, but I'll say it anyway (Grrr, go on, John, pounce...!). I don't think you need elaborate protection routines if you honestly don't believe that there is anything scary out there. I only met one scary thing and as soon as I recognised that I had invented it myself, it became my friend and guardian (but, oh, it did have vile toenails!). So if I can travel into the heart of the sun and only come out warm and cosy, there is not much which can really do any damage! If I was a scaredy, paranoid, neurotic individual I could probably frighten myself splendidly, but I'm not. Nor, I think, are you! (Tennessee was more alarming than the sun in several ways but we both made it back hale and hearty!) All best wishes JHM. ###### From: J L Williams Newsgroups: alt.out-of-body Subject: Re: Area51 Date: Tue, 19 Jan 1999 18:03:53 GMT Lines: 28 Message-ID: <1999011918035375767@zetnet.co.uk> References: <77jj6t$m8l$1@fir.prod.itd.earthlink.net> <369ee98c.779660@news.dial.pipex.com> <36A10A2A.103494F6@the.end.of.the.message> <36a1e7cf.15985207@news.dial.pipex.com> <36A2D9E1.8B8471E6@the.end.of.the.message> <1999011813271775767@zetnet.co.uk> <36a44f0a.608678@news.dial.pipex.com> <1999011911280675767@zetnet.co.uk> <36a4b809.27486337@news.dial.pipex.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: user-10003900.zetnet.co.uk X-Mailer: ZIMACS Version 1.20c 10003900 Path: chonsp.franklin.ch!pfaff.ethz.ch!news-zh.switch.ch!news.belnet.be!195.200.0.51.MISMATCH!newshub.bart.net!ayres.ftech.net!news.ftech.net!peer.news.zetnet.net!zetnet.co.uk!user-10003900.zetnet.co.uk!not-for-mail The message <36a4b809.27486337@news.dial.pipex.com> from hawksmoor@dial.pipex.com (Julia Hawkes-Moore) contains these words: > On Tue, 19 Jan 1999 11:28:06 GMT, J L Williams > wrote: > If I was a scaredy, paranoid, neurotic individual I could probably > frighten myself splendidly, but I'm not. I have heard it here somewhere before Julia, that if everybody *is* out to get you then you are not being paranoid! :-) Nor, I think, are you! > (Tennessee was more alarming than the sun in several ways but we > both made it back hale and hearty!) > All best wishes JHM. Ha ha, for me it was like looking out through a windscreen of a car on a dark foggy night with no lights. Where there were lights they showed no light down at ground level but were so bright to look at above. Ah well, look forward to the next effort to surprise myself again :-) Jim ###### From: Ken S. Newsgroups: alt.out-of-body Subject: Re: Area51 Date: 19 Jan 1999 20:08:36 PST Organization: Concentric Internet Services Lines: 17 Message-ID: <36a551fd.6155030@news.ke9nr.org> References: <77jj6t$m8l$1@fir.prod.itd.earthlink.net> <369ee98c.779660@news.dial.pipex.com> <36A10A2A.103494F6@the.end.of.the.message> <36a1e7cf.15985207@news.dial.pipex.com> <36A2D9E1.8B8471E6@the.end.of.the.message> <1999011813271775767@zetnet.co.uk> <36a44f0a.608678@news.dial.pipex.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: ts005d24.las-nv.concentric.net Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Newsreader: Forte Agent 1.5/32.452 Path: chonsp.franklin.ch!pfaff.ethz.ch!news-zh.switch.ch!news-ge.switch.ch!isdnet!howland.erols.net!feed1.news.rcn.net!rcn!newsfeed.concentric.net!global-news-master Hi Julia - On Tue, 19 Jan 1999 09:29:03 GMT, hawksmoor@dial.pipex.com (Julia Hawkes-Moore) wrote: > Mmm, even though the US Military tries hard to be scary, I am an >awful long way away from them... I'm in Las Vegas Nevada. If I were to be detecting OBEing in Area 51, I'd probably get a visit from people in uniform. OTOH, I only manage to go OOB on the average of once a month, so poking around Area 51 is not very high on my list of things to do. In fact, it's not on it at all. The Other Ken http://www.ke9nr.org/ ###### Message-ID: <36A4F75F.CF936A5@the.end.of.the.message> Date: Wed, 20 Jan 1999 08:21:35 +1100 From: Craig Organization: Deja Vous X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.05 [en] (Win95; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 Newsgroups: alt.out-of-body Subject: Re: Area51 References: <77jj6t$m8l$1@fir.prod.itd.earthlink.net> <1999011822501475767@zetnet.co.uk> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit NNTP-Posting-Host: 203.18.28.11 X-Trace: 20 Jan 1999 18:32:19 +1000, 203.18.28.11 Lines: 34 Path: chonsp.franklin.ch!pfaff.ethz.ch!news-zh.switch.ch!newsfeed-zh.ip-plus.net!news.ip-plus.net!news-nyc.telia.net!newsfeed.cwix.com!209.244.253.199!newsfeed.xcom.net!news.shore.net!uunet!in4.uu.net!nap-ns1!203.18.28.11 Jim wrote: > I did not realize that faraday cages used any current at all. The one > we had at my works was purely a passive piece of gridded metalwork > that earthed out any radio waves whose wave length was equal to or > larger than those chosen for isolation. Hi Jim, I never received this post at my news server, so I hope I quoted the whole thing. I racked my brains trying to remember where I had read that about the faraday cage. I was so sure it was in one of Monroe's books (I have two of them) so I quickly scanned through them last night, hoping to verify or dismiss what I had read as right or wrong. Well, I'm stuffed if I can find it now. ;-) Okay, I'm nearly pretty sure it was Monroe, but maybe I'm getting confused about current being passed through it. :-) Dunno. As I said in another post, I really don't know much about faraday cages anyway, I just found it interesting what Julia described feeling, with what I read about the experiment using the faraday cage. :-) Plus, I figured, surly the US government would be using *something* to try and block at least RV of the site. All the best Craig -- The sure way to make a thing impossible- -is to think it so. --- Franklin To respond, delete _nospam_ scrappy@_nospam_netconnect.com.au -- ###### Message-ID: <36A4F944.147DDE8B@the.end.of.the.message> Date: Wed, 20 Jan 1999 08:29:40 +1100 From: Craig Organization: Deja Vous X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.05 [en] (Win95; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 Newsgroups: alt.out-of-body Subject: Re: Area51 References: <77jj6t$m8l$1@fir.prod.itd.earthlink.net> <369ee98c.779660@news.dial.pipex.com> <36A10A2A.103494F6@the.end.of.the.message> <36a1e7cf.15985207@news.dial.pipex.com> <36A2D9E1.8B8471E6@the.end.of.the.message> <1999011813271775767@zetnet.co.uk> <36a44f0a.608678@news.dial.pipex.com> <1999011911280675767@zetnet.co.uk> <36a4b809.27486337@news.dial.pipex.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit NNTP-Posting-Host: 203.18.28.11 X-Trace: 20 Jan 1999 18:32:23 +1000, 203.18.28.11 Lines: 44 Path: chonsp.franklin.ch!pfaff.ethz.ch!news-zh.switch.ch!news.belnet.be!news.tvd.be!newsfeed.wirehub.nl!netnews.com!newspeer.monmouth.com!uunet!in4.uu.net!nap-ns1!203.18.28.11 Julia Hawkes-Moore wrote: > > On Tue, 19 Jan 1999 11:28:06 GMT, J L Williams > wrote: > > >If I can get to Tennessee in less than a second............. > >Do you know that I am quite willing to go somewhere else! We have > >nearly two weeks to consider other venues :) My psychic protection is > >almost non existant, I am but a mere beginner:) > >Jim > > Good for you, Jim. I expect I will get pounced on by John > Fitzsimons for saying this, but I'll say it anyway (Grrr, go on, John, > pounce...!). > I don't think you need elaborate protection routines if you honestly > don't believe that there is anything scary out there. I only met one > scary thing and as soon as I recognised that I had invented it myself, > it became my friend and guardian (but, oh, it did have vile > toenails!). So if I can travel into the heart of the sun and only come > out warm and cosy, there is not much which can really do any damage! > If I was a scaredy, paranoid, neurotic individual I could probably > frighten myself splendidly, but I'm not. Nor, I think, are you! > (Tennessee was more alarming than the sun in several ways but we > both made it back hale and hearty!) > All best wishes JHM. I tend to agree with you Julia. My guess is it all depends on our own belief systems how we cope with 'protecting' ourselves, if we do at all. We are, basically, going to be protecting ourselves from ourselves, most of the time. I have never consciously used protection before an OBE, but then again, I've never had to use it either. (Knock on astral wood). All the best Craig -- The sure way to make a thing impossible- -is to think it so. --- Franklin To respond, delete _nospam_ scrappy@_nospam_netconnect.com.au -- ###### From: glyn Newsgroups: alt.out-of-body Subject: Re: Area51 Date: Wed, 20 Jan 1999 14:06:48 +0000 Organization: home Message-ID: References: <77jj6t$m8l$1@fir.prod.itd.earthlink.net> <1999011822501475767@zetnet.co.uk> <36A4F75F.CF936A5@the.end.of.the.message> NNTP-Posting-Host: flyers.demon.co.uk X-NNTP-Posting-Host: flyers.demon.co.uk:158.152.37.166 X-Trace: news.demon.co.uk 916841273 nnrp-08:7723 NO-IDENT flyers.demon.co.uk:158.152.37.166 X-Complaints-To: abuse@demon.net MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Newsreader: Turnpike (32) Version 4.01 Lines: 27 Path: chonsp.franklin.ch!pfaff.ethz.ch!news-zh.switch.ch!newsfeed-zh.ip-plus.net!news.ip-plus.net!news-nyc.telia.net!masternews.telia.net!newsfeed1.swip.net!swipnet!newsfeed.tli.de!newsfeed.nacamar.de!dispose.news.demon.net!demon!news.demon.co.uk!demon!flyers.demon.co.uk!glyn In article <36A4F75F.CF936A5@the.end.of.the.message>, Craig writes >I racked my brains trying to remember where I had read that >about the faraday cage. I was so sure it was in one of Monroe's books (I >have two of them) so I quickly scanned through them last night, hoping >to verify or dismiss what I had read as right or wrong. Well, I'm >stuffed if I can find it now. ;-) Okay, I'm nearly pretty sure it was >Monroe, but maybe I'm getting confused about current being passed >through it. :-) Dunno. As I said in another post, I really don't know >much about faraday cages anyway, I just found it interesting what Julia >described feeling, with what I read about the experiment using the >faraday cage. :-) Plus, I figured, surly the US government would be >using *something* to try and block at least RV of the site. Hi Craig, 'Beyond Telepathy' by Andrija Puharich contains reports of experiments with charged Faraday cages. Perhaps you read it once. Regards, -- glyn ###### From: johnf@melbpc.org.au (John Fitzsimons) Newsgroups: alt.out-of-body Subject: Re: Area51 Date: Wed, 20 Jan 1999 21:18:55 GMT Organization: Melbourne PC User Group Inc, Australia Lines: 29 Message-ID: <36ac9ab6.44390152@news.melbpc.org.au> References: <77jj6t$m8l$1@fir.prod.itd.earthlink.net> <369ee98c.779660@news.dial.pipex.com> <36A10A2A.103494F6@the.end.of.the.message> <36a1e7cf.15985207@news.dial.pipex.com> <36A2D9E1.8B8471E6@the.end.of.the.message> <1999011813271775767@zetnet.co.uk> <36a44f0a.608678@news.dial.pipex.com> <1999011911280675767@zetnet.co.uk> <36a4b809.27486337@news.dial.pipex.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: bilby9.melbpc.org.au Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Newsreader: Forte Agent 1.5/32.451 Path: chonsp.franklin.ch!pfaff.ethz.ch!news-zh.switch.ch!news-ge.switch.ch!newscore.univie.ac.at!news-spur1.maxwell.syr.edu!news.maxwell.syr.edu!news.mel.connect.com.au!news2.melbpc.org.au!not-for-mail On Tue, 19 Jan 1999 16:58:49 GMT, hawksmoor@dial.pipex.com (Julia Hawkes-Moore) wrote: < snip > > I don't think you need elaborate protection routines if you honestly >don't believe that there is anything scary out there. There are violent people in the physical world why do you suggest that they cannot go OOB ? Or do you suggest that they will all leave you alone ? If you are suggesting that "nice" people don't get attacked by negative people then how do you explain how it is that so many "nice" people get bashed/raped ? Your comment is similar to a woman who tells other women not to be bothered about protecting themselves against rapists simply because she herself hasn't been raped. Regards, John. **************************************************** ,-._|\ John Fitzsimons - Melbourne, Australia. / Oz \ johnf@melbpc.org.au, Fidonet 3:632/309 \_,--.x/ http://www.vicnet.net.au/~johnf/welcome.htm v http://www.alphalink.com.au/~johnf/ ###### From: johnf@melbpc.org.au (John Fitzsimons) Newsgroups: alt.out-of-body Subject: Re: Area51 Date: Wed, 20 Jan 1999 23:31:56 GMT Organization: Melbourne PC User Group Inc, Australia Lines: 47 Message-ID: <36ac611d.10187126@news.melbpc.org.au> References: <77jj6t$m8l$1@fir.prod.itd.earthlink.net> <1999011822501475767@zetnet.co.uk> NNTP-Posting-Host: bilby9.melbpc.org.au Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Newsreader: Forte Agent 1.5/32.451 Path: chonsp.franklin.ch!pfaff.ethz.ch!news-zh.switch.ch!newsfeed-zh.ip-plus.net!news.ip-plus.net!news-nyc.telia.net!newshub.northeast.verio.net!news.maxwell.syr.edu!news.mel.connect.com.au!news2.melbpc.org.au!not-for-mail On Mon, 18 Jan 1999 22:50:14 GMT, J L Williams wrote: < snip > >What would sense us when oob? Someone who is psychic and has chosen to "notice" such things. < snip > >Julia experienced a buzzing was it? Or something similar. Well that >could be electrofied fencing which would be detectable as a mains hum >or similar. < snip > Sounds can also be created on psychic levels. This can be easily ascertained if one is in an area where there are negative people and/or energies. Just listen. Increasing one's psychic protection in such an area can reduce partly/wholly the noise. Robert Monroe noticed the "noise" around this planet if I recall correctly. Sometimes such "sounds" are created intentionally, sometimes unintentionally. The former is used as a form of protection against positive entities/energies. I think the current term used to describe this sort of a situation (in the physical) is a "standing" or "stationary" wave. If people are strong enough (persistent enough ?) to pass through these waves then their aura will often be weakened sufficiently to discourage repeat visits and/or to lead to other problems that will keep the person occupied. Psychically listening to the sounds around one can be a big help in working out whether one is going to lower energy areas such as the lower astral planes, or higher energy areas. Clairolfactance can be used the same way. Regards, John. **************************************************** ,-._|\ John Fitzsimons - Melbourne, Australia. / Oz \ johnf@melbpc.org.au, Fidonet 3:632/309 \_,--.x/ http://www.vicnet.net.au/~johnf/welcome.htm v http://www.alphalink.com.au/~johnf/ ###### Message-ID: <36A64652.2AD1A6FF@the.end.of.the.message> Date: Thu, 21 Jan 1999 08:10:42 +1100 From: Craig Organization: Deja Vous X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.05 [en] (Win95; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 Newsgroups: alt.out-of-body Subject: Re: Area51 References: <77jj6t$m8l$1@fir.prod.itd.earthlink.net> <1999011822501475767@zetnet.co.uk> <36A4F75F.CF936A5@the.end.of.the.message> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit NNTP-Posting-Host: 203.18.28.8 X-Trace: 21 Jan 1999 09:32:09 +1000, 203.18.28.8 Lines: 46 Path: chonsp.franklin.ch!pfaff.ethz.ch!news-zh.switch.ch!news.belnet.be!newspump.monmouth.com!newspeer.monmouth.com!uunet!in4.uu.net!nap-ns1!203.18.28.8 Hi Glyn Nope, haven't read that (yet). :-) Thanks for the info though, I'll have to add that to my 'to read' list, it's getting rather long now. ;-) Now, where DID I read that ...... Craig glyn wrote: > > In article <36A4F75F.CF936A5@the.end.of.the.message>, Craig > writes > > > > >I racked my brains trying to remember where I had read that > >about the faraday cage. I was so sure it was in one of Monroe's books (I > >have two of them) so I quickly scanned through them last night, hoping > >to verify or dismiss what I had read as right or wrong. Well, I'm > >stuffed if I can find it now. ;-) Okay, I'm nearly pretty sure it was > >Monroe, but maybe I'm getting confused about current being passed > >through it. :-) Dunno. As I said in another post, I really don't know > >much about faraday cages anyway, I just found it interesting what Julia > >described feeling, with what I read about the experiment using the > >faraday cage. :-) Plus, I figured, surly the US government would be > >using *something* to try and block at least RV of the site. > > Hi Craig, > > 'Beyond Telepathy' by Andrija Puharich contains reports of experiments > with charged Faraday cages. Perhaps you read it once. > > Regards, > -- > glyn -- The sure way to make a thing impossible- -is to think it so. --- Franklin To respond, delete _nospam_ scrappy@_nospam_netconnect.com.au -- ###### From: chester basshead Newsgroups: alt.out-of-body Subject: Re: Area51 Date: Thu, 21 Jan 1999 09:03:23 -0800 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit References: <77jj6t$m8l$1@fir.prod.itd.earthlink.net> <369ee98c.779660@news.dial.pipex.com> <36a04298.47738393@news.dial.pipex.com> X-Posted-Path-Was: not-for-mail Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-ELN-Date: 21 Jan 1999 05:01:28 GMT X-ELN-Insert-Date: Wed Jan 20 21:05:47 1999 Organization: EarthLink Network, Inc. Lines: 25 Mime-Version: 1.0 NNTP-Posting-Host: pool024-max3.ds15-ca-us.dialup.earthlink.net Message-ID: <36A75DDB.F0FEADA2@earthlink.nXXXet> X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.05 [en] (Win95; I) Path: chonsp.franklin.ch!pfaff.ethz.ch!news-zh.switch.ch!news-ge.switch.ch!isdnet!howland.erols.net!feed1.news.rcn.net!rcn!newsfeed.xcom.net!cam-news-hub1.bbnplanet.com!news.gtei.net!newscon02!prodigy.com!newsfeed1.earthlink.net!nntp.earthlink.net!posted-from-earthlink!not-for-mail Hello kind friend! :D Julia Hawkes-Moore wrote: > Also, I have met this style or form of starship before, in another > meditation. Either I really did travel to the bottom of the ocean > (where the ship was sitting) or the occupants are willing to let me > acknowledge their existence. Of course they would be spiritually and > technologically more advanced than us, but also intrigued at how fast > we are trying to catch up... > All best wishes, Julia Hawkes-Moore. wow! i wonder if it was the 'Greys'. Have you read Dr. Courtney Brown's book 'Cosmic Voyage'? Your experience seems to fit with a bit of what he has written, which is pretty heavy and freaky IMO. I will have to wait until personal experience teaches me of such things until I believe... He's a bit of a kook, IMO, after that whole fake piture of the comet/alien ship episode.(the heaven's gate folks) I used to exchange e-mails with him a bit but after I inquired about that stuff, he never wrote again... v e r y i n t e r e s t i n g . . . . .... peace from within brian ###### From: J L Williams Newsgroups: alt.out-of-body Subject: Re: Area51 Date: Thu, 21 Jan 1999 15:09:46 GMT Lines: 77 Message-ID: <1999012115094675767@zetnet.co.uk> References: <77jj6t$m8l$1@fir.prod.itd.earthlink.net> <1999011822501475767@zetnet.co.uk> <36ac611d.10187126@news.melbpc.org.au> NNTP-Posting-Host: user-10003900.zetnet.co.uk X-Mailer: ZIMACS Version 1.20c 10003900 Path: chonsp.franklin.ch!pfaff.ethz.ch!news-zh.switch.ch!news.belnet.be!news-raspail.gip.net!news-lond.gip.net!news.gsl.net!gip.net!btnet-peer!btnet-feed1!btnet!peer.news.zetnet.net!zetnet.co.uk!user-10003900.zetnet.co.uk!not-for-mail The message <36ac611d.10187126@news.melbpc.org.au> from johnf@melbpc.org.au (John Fitzsimons) contains these words: Hi John > On Mon, 18 Jan 1999 22:50:14 GMT, J L Williams > wrote: > < snip > > > >What would sense us when oob? > Someone who is psychic and has chosen to "notice" such things. Yes I fully realise a psychic might. I asked what as opposed to who would sense us, meaning instrumentation. If we are not electro-magnetic waves then what kind of waves are we? > < snip > > > >Julia experienced a buzzing was it? Or something similar. Well that > >could be electrofied fencing which would be detectable as a mains hum > >or similar. > < snip > > Sounds can also be created on psychic levels. This can be easily > ascertained if one is in an area where there are negative people > and/or energies. Just listen. Increasing one's psychic protection > in such an area can reduce partly/wholly the noise. Robert Monroe > noticed the "noise" around this planet if I recall correctly. > Sometimes such "sounds" are created intentionally, sometimes > unintentionally. The former is used as a form of protection > against positive entities/energies. I think the current term used > to describe this sort of a situation (in the physical) is a > "standing" or "stationary" wave. Ok, I'm out of my depth here. I have no experience of this. Only those noises which arrive sometimes in hypnogogia periods before the vibrations come. If people are strong enough > (persistent enough ?) to pass through these waves then their aura > will often be weakened sufficiently to discourage repeat visits > and/or to lead to other problems that will keep the person > occupied. > Psychically listening to the sounds around one can be a big help > in working out whether one is going to lower energy areas such as > the lower astral planes, or higher energy areas. Clairolfactance > can be used the same way. I think all of mine(those I remember anyway) have been at the lower end if it is closer to the physical. Sound was just normal. Mine have nearly/all been in real time. I do wish I had not wasted the last one on a good flight :-( But it was fun :-) > Regards, John. Best wishes Jim > **************************************************** > ,-._|\ John Fitzsimons - Melbourne, Australia. > / Oz \ johnf@melbpc.org.au, Fidonet 3:632/309 > \_,--.x/ http://www.vicnet.net.au/~johnf/welcome.htm > v http://www.alphalink.com.au/~johnf/ > ###### From: johnf@melbpc.org.au (John Fitzsimons) Newsgroups: alt.out-of-body Subject: Re: Area51 Date: Fri, 22 Jan 1999 22:32:58 GMT Organization: Melbourne PC User Group Inc, Australia Lines: 36 Message-ID: <36aefaf9.7325826@news.melbpc.org.au> References: <77jj6t$m8l$1@fir.prod.itd.earthlink.net> <1999011822501475767@zetnet.co.uk> <36ac611d.10187126@news.melbpc.org.au> <1999012115094675767@zetnet.co.uk> NNTP-Posting-Host: bilby7.melbpc.org.au Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Newsreader: Forte Agent 1.5/32.451 Path: chonsp.franklin.ch!pfaff.ethz.ch!news-zh.switch.ch!newsfeed-zh.ip-plus.net!news.ip-plus.net!news-nyc.telia.net!news.idt.net!news.maxwell.syr.edu!news.mel.connect.com.au!news2.melbpc.org.au!not-for-mail On Thu, 21 Jan 1999 15:09:46 GMT, J L Williams wrote: >The message <36ac611d.10187126@news.melbpc.org.au> > from johnf@melbpc.org.au (John Fitzsimons) contains these words: >> On Mon, 18 Jan 1999 22:50:14 GMT, J L Williams >> wrote: Hi Jim, >> >What would sense us when oob? >> Someone who is psychic and has chosen to "notice" such things. >Yes I fully realise a psychic might. >I asked what as opposed to who would sense us, meaning >instrumentation. If we are not electro-magnetic waves then what kind >of waves are we? < snip > In a sense this doesn't matter. We can affect the physical world while OOB so should keep this in mind. We should remember the "footprints" we might be leaving behind. Regards, John. **************************************************** ,-._|\ John Fitzsimons - Melbourne, Australia. / Oz \ johnf@melbpc.org.au, Fidonet 3:632/309 \_,--.x/ http://www.vicnet.net.au/~johnf/welcome.htm v http://www.alphalink.com.au/~johnf/