From: "jason.palmer" <jason.palmer@cwix.com>
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Has anyone read any Seth books? "Seth Speaks" by Jane Roberts. Supposedly
Jane can channel a consciousness named Seth. Through Jane Roberts, Seth has
written several books about the nature of reality, probable realities,
nature of personal reality, nature of the psyche, our latent psychic
abilities, our latent abilities that we were talented in from past lives,
and many other things. They blow my mind away. I'm on my 5th Seth book: "The
Unknown Reality-Vol 1". SEth has a limitless amount of information. Even
though Seth writes these books in the 70's, it doesn't seem like the
information is "out of time" in any sense. The only thing stopping Seth from
writing more books is the fact that Jane Roberts died, I think in the mid
80's.
    Seth gives exercises in various books. I may start putting excerpts(did
I spell that correctly?) from the book onto the newsgroup I hope nobody has
a problem with it.

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From: Ken S. <ken@ke9nr.#nospam#.org>
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Hi Jason -

On Mon, 11 Jan 1999 20:07:12 GMT, "jason.palmer"
<jason.palmer@cwix.com> wrote:

>Has anyone read any Seth books?

Yes.  <G>

I have 10 of Jane Roberts' books, 8 of which I have read, the 9th I
just started on yesterday, and 1 to go after that.

The Other Ken
http://www.ke9nr.org/

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jason.palmer wrote:

> Has anyone read any Seth books? "Seth Speaks" by Jane Roberts. Supposedly
> Jane can channel a consciousness named Seth. Through Jane Roberts, Seth has
> written several books about the nature of reality, probable realities,
> nature of personal reality, nature of the psyche, our latent psychic
> abilities, our latent abilities that we were talented in from past lives,
> and many other things. They blow my mind away. I'm on my 5th Seth book: "The
> Unknown Reality-Vol 1". SEth has a limitless amount of information. Even
> though Seth writes these books in the 70's, it doesn't seem like the
> information is "out of time" in any sense. The only thing stopping Seth from
> writing more books is the fact that Jane Roberts died, I think in the mid
> 80's.
>     Seth gives exercises in various books. I may start putting excerpts(did
> I spell that correctly?) from the book onto the newsgroup I hope nobody has
> a problem with it.

  Yes, I have read all of the SETH books, these books have helped me
tremendously in term of conquering my fears.  I am glad that her husband finally
convinced the book manufacture to reprint all of Jane/Seth books.  I think that
once I eliminated most of my fears of the outer world, oobe just came
naturally.  Another channeled books that I considered a must read is "A Course
In Miracles" and the trilogy "Conversations With God".

Lucid

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From: Neil Franklin <neil@franklin.ch.remove>
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Ken S. <ken@ke9nr.#nospam#.org> writes:
>
> Hi Jason -
>
> On Mon, 11 Jan 1999 20:07:12 GMT, "jason.palmer"
> <jason.palmer@cwix.com> wrote:
> >
> >I'm on my 5th Seth book
>
> > I have 10 of Jane Roberts' books, 8 of which I have read, the 9th I
> just started on yesterday, and 1 to go after that.

A question to those of you who have an overview of Seth books:

I have so far read one (the first one, Seth Speaks).

This one (understandable for the first) was written for the knowledge
level of the general populace. But in it he mentions his intention to
write a later one aimed at people with an technical/scientific background.

Did he write that one? If so, which title is it?

I don't want to have to read 10 (lack of time, too many other nice
books), but I would like to read what Seth would write using the
additional words/terminology/concepts available to people with an
scientific education. Surely this would allow him to transfer more.


--
Neil Franklin, Nerd, Geek, Unix Guru, Hacker, Mystic
neil@franklin.ch.remove http://neil.franklin.ch/
Programming: when you stop hammering around on the computer as if it
  were a piece of dumb matter and instead tell it what to do for you

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From: eh671@FreeNet.Carleton.CA (Michael McCord)
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Neil Franklin (neil@franklin.ch.remove) writes:
> Ken S. <ken@ke9nr.#nospam#.org> writes:
>>
>> Hi Jason -
>>
>> On Mon, 11 Jan 1999 20:07:12 GMT, "jason.palmer"
>> <jason.palmer@cwix.com> wrote:
>> >
> level of the general populace. But in it he mentions his intention to
> write a later one aimed at people with an technical/scientific background.
> 
> Did he write that one? If so, which title is it?
> 
no, but don't stop reading them. they are all wothwhile reads. 
(well, the first 6 or 8 anyway.....especialy)



--
	  ^ 	  Michael
	 /o\
	 ---			 <Hungry Eye> 

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From: Ken S. <ken@ke9nr.#nospam#.org>
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Hi Neil -

On 12 Jan 1999 22:08:25 +0100, Neil Franklin <neil@franklin.ch.remove>
wrote:

>A question to those of you who have an overview of Seth books:
>
>I have so far read one (the first one, Seth Speaks).
>
>This one (understandable for the first) was written for the knowledge
>level of the general populace. But in it he mentions his intention to
>write a later one aimed at people with an technical/scientific background.
>
>Did he write that one? If so, which title is it?
>
>I don't want to have to read 10 (lack of time, too many other nice
>books), but I would like to read what Seth would write using the
>additional words/terminology/concepts available to people with an
>scientific education. Surely this would allow him to transfer more.

So far as I know, none of the books meet that criteria.  Seth stated
that he was limited by Jane's vocabulary and understanding of the
concepts.

The Other Ken
http://www.ke9nr.org/

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ajcj@my-dejanews.com wrote in message <77lgke$gmn$1@nnrp1.dejanews.com>...
>  Well now I have to go and buy myself some of these Seth books- is there
one
>or two that have more info on OBE's than the others? Or do you have to read
>them in the order that they were writen? Can anyone compair them to the
>Michael channeled books?  Thanks and have a nice day!  ---Carlie
>
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I have not read all of the Seth books, but my memory of them is that they
deal more with the nature of reality as a whole.  I was searching for OOB
information at the time. I do not recall that they were about that in the
detail I was wanting anyway.

--
RBWalton

Visit this web page for some useful OOB links. . .
www.angelfire.com/ca/onestepbeyond/

Join the search for Intelligent Life in the Universe at home
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From: ajcj@my-dejanews.com
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  Well now I have to go and buy myself some of these Seth books- is there one
or two that have more info on OBE's than the others? Or do you have to read
them in the order that they were writen? Can anyone compair them to the
Michael channeled books?  Thanks and have a nice day!  ---Carlie

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Ken S. <ken@ke9nr.#nospam#.org> writes:
>
> On 12 Jan 1999 22:08:25 +0100, Neil Franklin <neil@franklin.ch.remove>
> wrote:
>
> >This one (understandable for the first) was written for the knowledge
> >level of the general populace. But in it he mentions his intention to
> >write a later one aimed at people with an technical/scientific background.
> >
> >Did he write that one? If so, which title is it?
>
> So far as I know, none of the books meet that criteria.  Seth stated
> that he was limited by Jane's vocabulary and understanding of the
> concepts.

Interesting.

I have just started rereading "Seth Speaks" and he says in that, that
he is not just using Jane "as a telephone" but that rather she is
translating him.

Translating would produce such an limit.


Thanks for triggering the insight.


--
Neil Franklin, Nerd, Geek, Unix Guru, Hacker, Mystic
neil@franklin.ch.remove http://neil.franklin.ch/
Programming: when you stop hammering around on the computer as if it
  were a piece of dumb matter and instead tell it what to do for you

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Following up to my own post...
>
> Ken S. <ken@ke9nr.#nospam#.org> writes:
> >
> > On 12 Jan 1999 22:08:25 +0100, Neil Franklin <neil@franklin.ch.remove>
> >
> > >This one (understandable for the first) was written for the knowledge
> > >level of the general populace. But in it he mentions his intention to
> > >write a later one aimed at people with an technical/scientific background.
>
> I have just started rereading "Seth Speaks"

... and I have now found the exact reference.

He is talking on the theme of coordinate points where the dimensions
contact, in chapter five, second last page (page 68 in my copy):


Now, this is not to be a technical book, so this is not the time nor
place to discuss thorougly the action, behaviour or effects of these
coordinate points; not of the electromagnetic energy units - those
natural emanations of conciousness of which I spoke. I want it known,
however, that thoughts and emotions are formed into physical matter by
very definitive methods and through laws quite valid, though they may
be presently unknown.

In other portions of the Seth material these processes will be made
very clear for those of you who desire to pursue the question further,
or those who may be interested from a scientific point of view.


The stuff mentioned in the second part is what I was refering to.


--
Neil Franklin, Nerd, Geek, Unix Guru, Hacker, Mystic
neil@franklin.ch.remove http://neil.franklin.ch/
Programming: when you stop hammering around on the computer as if it
  were a piece of dumb matter and instead tell it what to do for you

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From: Ken S. <ken@ke9nr.#nospam#.org>
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Hi Neil -

On 12 Jan 1999 22:08:25 +0100, Neil Franklin <neil@franklin.ch.remove>
wrote:

>I don't want to have to read 10 (lack of time, too many other nice
>books), but I would like to read what Seth would write using the
>additional words/terminology/concepts available to people with an
>scientific education. Surely this would allow him to transfer more.

I have a book recommendation for you.  It is not a Seth book, nor is
it a channeled book, however it presents a view of the universe, from
a lay-science angle, which is compatible with Seth's teaching.

The book has been highly recommended in this ng, which is why I
ordered it when I was getting some other stuff from amazon.com.  I'm
about 2/3 of the way through, and the book is fully deserving of every
bit of praise it has received.

The book is "The Holographic Universe" by Michael Talbot.  For
everyone reading this message, if you only read one book in 1999, let
it be this book!

Neil, I cannot too highly recommend that you get this book.  It is
extraordinary, fascinating, mind-boggling, and whatever other good
adjectives you can think of.

The Other Ken
http://www.ke9nr.org/

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The sad thing about the Talbot book it that there wont be any
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From: hawksmoor@dial.pipex.com (Julia Hawkes-Moore)
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On 17 Jan 1999 15:10:27 PST, Ken S. <ken@ke9nr.#nospam#.org> wrote:
>I have a book recommendation for you. 
>The book is "The Holographic Universe" by Michael Talbot.  For
>everyone reading this message, if you only read one book in 1999, let
>it be this book!
>>Neil, I cannot too highly recommend that you get this book.  It is
>extraordinary, fascinating, mind-boggling, and whatever other good
>adjectives you can think of.

  I second this recommendation; this is one of the most interesting,
provocative and informative books I have ever read. And I have read a
few...
Julia HM.

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hawksmoor@dial.pipex.com (Julia Hawkes-Moore) writes:
>
> On 17 Jan 1999 15:10:27 PST, Ken S. <ken@ke9nr.#nospam#.org> wrote:
>
> >The book is "The Holographic Universe" by Michael Talbot.  For
>
>   I second this recommendation; this is one of the most interesting,

I have read that recommendation a few times, including (I think) from
both of you.

I actually ordered a copy of it last Thursday, together with about 15
others, including the 3 Monroes and Buhlman (holiday is nearing, so I
am stocking up :-)).

Today I recieved notification that it is out of print :-(. (Buhlmann
will be a long time (5 weeks), Monroes seem to be on track).


> >ordered it when I was getting some other stuff from amazon.com.

Didn't you get problems with spam from then? According to an regular
poster in an other NG they take you giving them your e-mail addressa
as an acceptance that they are allowed to spam you.


--
Neil Franklin, Nerd, Geek, Unix Guru, Hacker, Mystic
neil@franklin.ch.remove http://neil.franklin.ch/
Programming: when you stop hammering around on the computer as if it
  were a piece of dumb matter and instead tell it what to do for you

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From: Ken S. <ken@ke9nr.#nospam#.org>
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Hi Neil -

On 18 Jan 1999 20:53:05 +0100, Neil Franklin <neil@franklin.ch.remove>
wrote:

>Today I recieved notification that it is out of print :-(. (Buhlmann
>will be a long time (5 weeks), Monroes seem to be on track).
>
>
>> >ordered it when I was getting some other stuff from amazon.com.
>
>Didn't you get problems with spam from then? According to an regular
>poster in an other NG they take you giving them your e-mail addressa
>as an acceptance that they are allowed to spam you.

No spam problem with amazon.com.

I ordered Talbot's book and some other stuff on Sunday.  It was in my
PO Box on Thursday (which is the typical turnaround for them) and I
picked it up early Friday morning.

######

From: J L Williams <j.l.williams@zetnet.co.uk>
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The message <m3r9ssz7by.fsf@chonsp.franklin.ch>
  from  Neil Franklin <neil@franklin.ch.remove> contains these words: 

<julia's post snipped>

> I actually ordered a copy of it last Thursday, together with about 15
> others, including the 3 Monroes and Buhlman (holiday is nearing, so I
> am stocking up :-)).

> Today I recieved notification that it is out of print :-(. (Buhlmann
> will be a long time (5 weeks), Monroes seem to be on track).

Mmmmmmmm, beat you to it Neil I think. I got most for Christmas :-)

> > >ordered it when I was getting some other stuff from amazon.com.

So did my wife :-)

> Didn't you get problems with spam from then? According to an regular
> poster in an other NG they take you giving them your e-mail addressa
> as an acceptance that they are allowed to spam you.

Nope, not had a thing from them since, but I will try to order the 
one Julia recommended above (duly snipped) if that is, you have left 
one there for me!
Jim


> Neil Franklin, Nerd, Geek, Unix Guru, Hacker, Mystic
> neil@franklin.ch.remove http://neil.franklin.ch/
> Programming: when you stop hammering around on the computer as if it
>   were a piece of dumb matter and instead tell it what to do for you

######

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Neil Franklin wrote:

> Didn't you get problems with spam from then? According to an regular
> poster in an other NG they take you giving them your e-mail addressa
> as an acceptance that they are allowed to spam you.

I ordered last year from amazon and have no problem with spam...
It may be that the guy accpeted "spam" from them....

He may have answered yes to a question if it is okay to receive
news from amazon...

I have just received updates on my order...
Lars

P.S.
So where did you order from?

######

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Lars Foleide <lars@netparadise.no> writes:
>
> Neil Franklin wrote:
>
> > Didn't you get problems with spam from then? According to an regular
> > poster in an other NG they take you giving them your e-mail addressa
> > as an acceptance that they are allowed to spam you.
>
> I ordered last year from amazon and have no problem with spam...

Seems like 3 times success. So I will try them.


> It may be that the guy accpeted "spam" from them....

I doubt so. He made quite a fuss about not wanting it. Actually has
"boycott spamazon" in his sig block.


> He may have answered yes to a question if it is okay to receive
> news from amazon...

I assume with his level of computer literacy (he is the moderator of
comp.lang.c.moderated) he would have noticed that.


> So where did you order from?

The books place at the University where I work. I thought they would
have it. Perhaps it is just running out.

So I will go fast to amazon.


--
Neil Franklin, Nerd, Geek, Unix Guru, Hacker, Mystic
neil@franklin.ch.remove http://neil.franklin.ch/
Programming: when you stop hammering around on the computer as if it
  were a piece of dumb matter and instead tell it what to do for you

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From: Lucid <chieu1@hotmail.com>
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chester basshead wrote:

> Hi Neil!
>
> Neil Franklin wrote:
> <snippy snip>
>
> > Following up to my own post...
>
>  I want it known,
> however, that thoughts and emotions are formed into physical matter by
> very definitive methods and through laws quite valid, though they maybe presently
> unknown.
>
> I don't know much of this text but I am wondering, is this statement something that
> has been 'channelled' or just a personal view, because it reeks of the Cartesian
> (and euclidean/newtonian/etc..) Stain to me... ;)  i guess i would have more faith
> in such a statement if it originated from a non-physical source, although
> 'analytical overlay' is always a concern...
>
> Larry Dossey's 'Space, Time and Medicine' is wonderful. just picked it up.
>
> peace
>
> brian

  To me it doesn't matter if it is fake or not.  But there are some rare videos that
recorded the transformation of Jane to Seth...watch those and judge for yourself.

lucid

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From: chester basshead <bri0@earthlink.nXXXet>
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Hi Neil!

Neil Franklin wrote:
<snippy snip>

> Following up to my own post...

 I want it known,
however, that thoughts and emotions are formed into physical matter by
very definitive methods and through laws quite valid, though they maybe presently
unknown.

I don't know much of this text but I am wondering, is this statement something that
has been 'channelled' or just a personal view, because it reeks of the Cartesian
(and euclidean/newtonian/etc..) Stain to me... ;)  i guess i would have more faith
in such a statement if it originated from a non-physical source, although
'analytical overlay' is always a concern...

Larry Dossey's 'Space, Time and Medicine' is wonderful. just picked it up.

peace

brian

######

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Lucid wrote:

> chester basshead wrote:
>
> > Hi Neil!
> >
> > Neil Franklin wrote:
> > <snippy snip>
> >
> > > Following up to my own post...
> >
> >  I want it known,
> > however, that thoughts and emotions are formed into physical matter by
> > very definitive methods and through laws quite valid, though they maybe presently
> > unknown.
> >
> > I don't know much of this text but I am wondering, is this statement something that
> > has been 'channelled' or just a personal view, because it reeks of the Cartesian
> > (and euclidean/newtonian/etc..) Stain to me... ;)  i guess i would have more faith
> > in such a statement if it originated from a non-physical source, although
> > 'analytical overlay' is always a concern...
> >
> > Larry Dossey's 'Space, Time and Medicine' is wonderful. just picked it up.
> >
> > peace
> >
> > brian
>
>   To me it doesn't matter if it is fake or not.  But there are some rare videos that
> recorded the transformation of Jane to Seth...watch those and judge for yourself.
>
> lucid

Hi Lucid. I wasn't questioning the chanelling stuff, just the statement that the
manifestation of nonphysical energy(?)  into thought and emotion 'will someday be
explained' with laws/rules etc.. confined to this physical universe. 'it has to be
understood with our tools.. it must be able to be broken down and understood with our
measuring devices, etc..'  I view such a line of thinking or mentality of thought as
strongly influenced by the Cartesian view (created by Descartes) where the whole universe
(not to mention the human body and biology) operates like clockwork, with perfectly
running parts all of which can be subdivided and broken down to their smallest level and
understood. I believe that non local aspects of reality brought forth by quantun theory
and studies of PSI phenomenon, healing, etc.. pretty much destroys that MODEL, which is
all it is and ever was... but the Cartesian Stain still affects us and often rears it's
ugly head when we are trying to understand all of this stuff. I don't believe anyone is
beyond it and that we will be in a transition for a very long time indeed. but that's
just MHO... ;)

but as far as the channelling stuff, I have no strong reasons to disbelieve such things
at this point in time. Thanks for the video advice.

peace,

brian

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Ken S. wrote:

> Hi Neil -
>
> On 12 Jan 1999 22:08:25 +0100, Neil Franklin <neil@franklin.ch.remove>
> wrote:
>
> >I don't want to have to read 10 (lack of time, too many other nice
> >books), but I would like to read what Seth would write using the
> >additional words/terminology/concepts available to people with an
> >scientific education. Surely this would allow him to transfer more.
>
> I have a book recommendation for you.  It is not a Seth book, nor is
> it a channeled book, however it presents a view of the universe, from
> a lay-science angle, which is compatible with Seth's teaching.
>
> The book has been highly recommended in this ng, which is why I
> ordered it when I was getting some other stuff from amazon.com.  I'm
> about 2/3 of the way through, and the book is fully deserving of every
> bit of praise it has received.
>
> The book is "The Holographic Universe" by Michael Talbot.  For
> everyone reading this message, if you only read one book in 1999, let
> it be this book!
>
> Neil, I cannot too highly recommend that you get this book.  It is
> extraordinary, fascinating, mind-boggling, and whatever other good
> adjectives you can think of.
>
> The Other Ken
> http://www.ke9nr.org/

Hi Ken. I will always respond to a reference to Talbot. You should check
out 'Wholeness and the Implicate Order' by David Bohm and 'QED: the
strange theory of light and matter' by the brilliant jokester Richard
Feynman. but then 'The Eagles Quest' by Fred Alan Wolf is also brilliant,
'a physicist finds scientific truth at the heart of the shamanic
world..etc.' and one of my favorites for 99 would have to be 'Space, Time
and Medicine' by Larry Dossey.  GREAT BOOK!!!!!

######

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chester basshead <bri0@earthlink.nXXXet> writes:
>
> Neil Franklin wrote:
> >
> > Following up to my own post...
>
> >  I want it known,
> > however, that thoughts and emotions are formed into physical matter by
> > very definitive methods and through laws quite valid, though they maybe pres
ently
> > unknown.
>
> I don't know much of this text but I am wondering, is this statement something
 that
> has been 'channelled' or just a personal view,

This was channelled by an medium called Jane Roberts from an spirit
entity called Seth who claims to last have been incarnated around 1600
as an travelling arts supplies dealer in Denmark.

The entire book, I quoted this from (Seth Speaks), was dictated word
for word via channelling and recorded by Robert Butts (Janes husband).


> because it reeks of the Cartesian
> (and euclidean/newtonian/etc..) Stain to me... ;)  i guess i would have more f
aith
> in such a statement if it originated from a non-physical source, although

Which it seems to be. JR and RB were aware of the distinction of "from
subconcious" and "from channel" and actually pointed out cases that
confirm it.


> 'analytical overlay' is always a concern...

A far bigger concern (actually stated by Seth) was the limits posed by
Janes knowledge. Aparently he only transmitted concepts and required her
brain to make sentances out of it.

Some of the staements seem to me to suffer from this.


But mainly it is an recommendable book.


--
Neil Franklin, Nerd, Geek, Unix Guru, Hacker, Mystic
neil@franklin.ch.remove http://neil.franklin.ch/
Programming: when you stop hammering around on the computer as if it
  were a piece of dumb matter and instead tell it what to do for you

######

From: Ken S. <ken@ke9nr.#nospam#.org>
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Hi Brian -

On Wed, 20 Jan 1999 13:38:16 -0800, chester basshead
<bri0@earthlink.nXXXet> wrote:

>Hi Ken. I will always respond to a reference to Talbot. You should check
>out 'Wholeness and the Implicate Order' by David Bohm and 'QED: the
>strange theory of light and matter' by the brilliant jokester Richard
>Feynman. but then 'The Eagles Quest' by Fred Alan Wolf is also brilliant,
>'a physicist finds scientific truth at the heart of the shamanic
>world..etc.' and one of my favorites for 99 would have to be 'Space, Time
>and Medicine' by Larry Dossey.  GREAT BOOK!!!!!

I've saved your message for review when I'm buying more books.
Too many good books; too little money, too little time.  :(

The Other Ken
http://www.ke9nr.org/

######

From: johnf@melbpc.org.au (John Fitzsimons)
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On Thu, 14 Jan 1999 19:30:22 GMT, ajcj@my-dejanews.com wrote:

>  Well now I have to go and buy myself some of these Seth books- is there one
>or two that have more info on OBE's than the others? 

You could try "Seth : Dreams and Projections of Consciousness" by
Jane Roberts.

>Or do you have to read
>them in the order that they were writen? 

Most of them are self contained. However, the date that they were
written is usually listed somewhere in the books so reading them
in order is probably best if one can manage it.

>Can anyone compair them to the
>Michael channeled books?   

Michael - primary school.
Seth - university.

Regards, John.

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chester basshead wrote:

> Lucid wrote:
>
> > chester basshead wrote:
> >
> > > Hi Neil!
> > >
> > > Neil Franklin wrote:
> > > <snippy snip>
> > >
> > > > Following up to my own post...
> > >
> > >  I want it known,
> > > however, that thoughts and emotions are formed into physical matter by
> > > very definitive methods and through laws quite valid, though they maybe presently
> > > unknown.
> > >
> > > I don't know much of this text but I am wondering, is this statement something that
> > > has been 'channelled' or just a personal view, because it reeks of the Cartesian
> > > (and euclidean/newtonian/etc..) Stain to me... ;)  i guess i would have more faith
> > > in such a statement if it originated from a non-physical source, although
> > > 'analytical overlay' is always a concern...
> > >
> > > Larry Dossey's 'Space, Time and Medicine' is wonderful. just picked it up.
> > >
> > > peace
> > >
> > > brian
> >
> >   To me it doesn't matter if it is fake or not.  But there are some rare videos that
> > recorded the transformation of Jane to Seth...watch those and judge for yourself.
> >
> > lucid
>
> Hi Lucid. I wasn't questioning the chanelling stuff, just the statement that the
> manifestation of nonphysical energy(?)  into thought and emotion 'will someday be
> explained' with laws/rules etc.. confined to this physical universe. 'it has to be
> understood with our tools.. it must be able to be broken down and understood with our
> measuring devices, etc..'  I view such a line of thinking or mentality of thought as
> strongly influenced by the Cartesian view (created by Descartes) where the whole universe
> (not to mention the human body and biology) operates like clockwork, with perfectly
> running parts all of which can be subdivided and broken down to their smallest level and
> understood. I believe that non local aspects of reality brought forth by quantun theory
> and studies of PSI phenomenon, healing, etc.. pretty much destroys that MODEL, which is
> all it is and ever was... but the Cartesian Stain still affects us and often rears it's
> ugly head when we are trying to understand all of this stuff.

Brian,

Yes, there are now many different interpretations of reality to choose from.  But we all have
free will...and if there are others that still like that model, then why not?  This universe
is big enough for all of us :-)  that's just my opinion :-)

> I don't believe anyone is
> beyond it and that we will be in a transition for a very long time indeed. but that's
> just MHO... ;)

We can be beyond "it" if we believe we are...it's just that simple..then again, that's may be
the hardest part.  It took me seven years just to restructure all of my beliefs...and yet the
simplest thing was to know it is so and "it" will be so.  I better not go on...I am beginning
to confuse myself :-)

> but as far as the channelling stuff, I have no strong reasons to disbelieve such things
> at this point in time. Thanks for the video advice.

I saw one video at a metaphysical store at Carmel.

> peace,
>
> brian

  L&L
lucid