From: Gundi Newsgroups: alt.out-of-body Subject: OBEs and life after death Date: Thu, 31 Dec 1998 00:43:01 +0100 Organization: Vienna University, Austria Lines: 23 Message-ID: <368ABA85.D30D24A7@unet.univie.ac.at> NNTP-Posting-Host: unet2-28.univie.ac.at Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Trace: www.univie.ac.at 915061215 57788 131.130.232.28 (30 Dec 1998 23:40:15 GMT) X-Complaints-To: news-adm@news.univie.ac.at NNTP-Posting-Date: 30 Dec 1998 23:40:15 GMT X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.07 [de]C-QXW0310J (Win95; I) Path: chonsp.franklin.ch!pfaff.ethz.ch!news-zh.switch.ch!news.belnet.be!newsfeed.wirehub.nl!netnews.com!howland.erols.net!newscore.univie.ac.at!aconews.univie.ac.at!news.univie.ac.at!not-for-mail Hi! Six month ago I had my first OBE and since that time leaving my physical body is my favourite hobby. I have two questions: 1. In several books about OBEs I have red that anyone who has made an experience like that is from that moment on totally convinced that he/she will go on living after death. Why should one believe that??? Before I had my first OBE I did not believe in anything, now that I know that we have an "astral body", which we can seperate from the physical, I think, life after death is not impossible, but I do not really believe in it. I think, OBEs are only possible for us when our physical body is living. What do you think about that? (Did you meet dead people?) 2.Since I find the idea of a life after death not impossible, I become more and more afraid of meeting other beeings when I am OB. In every book I red about OBEs the author tells frightening stories about that and I am getting so scared that I do not want to experience when I am alone at home any more. What are your experiences, did you see ghosts, were they frightening? Thank you, Kassandra ###### From: "Richard" Newsgroups: alt.out-of-body Subject: Re: OBEs and life after death Date: Wed, 30 Dec 1998 19:05:13 -0800 Organization: Posted via RemarQ, http://www.remarQ.com - Discussions start here! Lines: 96 Message-ID: <76ephm$l9t$1@remarQ.com> References: <368ABA85.D30D24A7@unet.univie.ac.at> NNTP-Posting-Host: 207.212.205.49 X-Trace: 915073398 I0G4.QBCECD31CFD4C usenet76.supernews.com X-Complaints-To: newsabuse@remarQ.com X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.3110.1 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.3110.3 Path: chonsp.franklin.ch!pfaff.ethz.ch!news-zh.switch.ch!newsfeed-zh.ip-plus.net!news-nyc.telia.net!newsfeed.direct.ca!remarQ73!supernews.com!remarQ69!not-for-mail Gundi wrote in message <368ABA85.D30D24A7@unet.univie.ac.at>... >Hi! >Six month ago I had my first OBE and since that time leaving my physical >body is my favourite hobby. I have two questions: >1. In several books about OBEs I have red that anyone who has made an >experience like that is from that moment on totally convinced that >he/she will go on living after death. Why should one believe that??? >Before I had my first OBE I did not believe in anything, now that I know >that we have an "astral body", which we can seperate from the physical, >I think, life after death is not impossible, but I do not really believe >in it. >I think, OBEs are only possible for us when our physical body is living. >What do you think about that? (Did you meet dead people?) Like you , before I had OOBE I did not believe anything about life after death. Like you I found myself questioning that belief after experiencing OOBE. Over a long time I have grown to believe it is more likely we go on after death than not. It is true that I have met friends out there who have been here and now are not. I have also met one who had not ever been in existence in a physical body. I have met with what I think of as my teacher. I am not sure of what category this one fits in. I would guess this belief probably grows on you the more you do OOBE. I will also say that there is really only one way to know if it is a valid belief. I am not into taking this step just to prove it to myself. One thing I have noticed in my OOBEs is that I while in this state, I know that it is our normal natural existence. I know at that point that physical life is important while here, but that we tend to be more at home in the other existence. I feel this while "out there". But you know I agree with you. Out of body experience *is* only possible when we are alive. Once we are dead, our body is no longer there to go "out" of. >2.Since I find the idea of a life after death not impossible, I become >more and more afraid of meeting other beeings when I am OB. In every >book I red about OBEs the author tells frightening stories about that >and I am getting so scared that I do not want to experience when I am >alone at home any more. >What are your experiences, did you see ghosts, were they frightening? OK. . . One thing that I think I will always be thankful for is that when I was discovering what OOBE was all about, I did not have books to set up fears that may not be necessary. First, what books are you saying describe this in a way that makes you fear it? Are these authors actually doing what they claim? or just trying to sell books? One thing I realized long ago is that I can only base what I believe to be true on MY OWN experiences. I hear what other people say about theirs. There may be similarity in the ways certain events are described, but the only way I can make it a belief of mine, is if I experience it first hand. At the same time, I or someone else can tell you in a certain experience I did this, and saw that and it made me afraid. That does not mean if you had a similar experience that you would be afraid, or that there was anything to really be afraid of. You have to experience it yourself. Ghosts. . . We are all ghosts when we are OOB. While OOB I saw a dear friend of mine who had died and I saw her as alive. I knew I was OOB. There was nothing to fear from her. It was a beautiful experience, and I remember it as if it happened yesterday. I think one time while I was OOB a friend saw me. When I talked to him after the event, he told me HE had seen a ghost (me). That was scary for him. There will be things you see that may make you uneasy. There have been these things for me. But much later on in my experiences I have seen the same things, and I wonder at why I had so much fear of this before. There is no longer fear associated with it. All of this can take some time. I have been doing this for thirty some odd years. I have never seen anything that I was really concerned would harm me. And nothing has. Beliefs change. Some of the fear you are experiencing may be due to your mind not wanting to accept that you are changing what you believe. All you can do is keep exploring. Good luck. . -- RBWalton Visit this web page for some useful OOB links. . . www.angelfire.com/ca/onestepbeyond/ Join the search for Intelligent Life in the Universe at home http://setiathome.ssl.berkeley.edu/ To respond, delete #nospam# rbwalton@#nospam#bigfoot.com ###### From: hawksmoor@dial.pipex.com (Julia Hawkes-Moore) Newsgroups: alt.out-of-body Subject: Re: OBEs and life after death Date: Thu, 31 Dec 1998 00:41:59 GMT Organization: UUNET WorldCom server (post doesn't reflect views of UUNET WorldCom) Lines: 92 Message-ID: <368ac0d0.113618788@news.dial.pipex.com> References: <368ABA85.D30D24A7@unet.univie.ac.at> NNTP-Posting-Host: aa143.du.pipex.com X-Newsreader: Forte Free Agent 1.1/16.230 Path: chonsp.franklin.ch!pfaff.ethz.ch!news-zh.switch.ch!news.belnet.be!newspump.monmouth.com!newspeer.monmouth.com!newshub.northeast.verio.net!cpk-news-hub1.bbnplanet.com!news.gtei.net!rill.news.pipex.net!pipex!bore.news.pipex.net!pipex!not-for-mail On Thu, 31 Dec 1998 00:43:01 +0100, Gundi wrote: >1. In several books about OBEs I have red that anyone who has made an >experience like that is from that moment on totally convinced that >he/she will go on living after death. Why should one believe that??? Because I am bigger and more resilient than everyday life. I will survive death because I intend to see what happens next. Now that I have begun accessing past lives, I recognise that I have done this many times before, and will do so many times again. Because there is too much to learn and discover on this planet for one short lifetime alone. >Before I had my first OBE I did not believe in anything, now that I know >that we have an "astral body", which we can seperate from the physical, Good - that is a big step forward! >I think, life after death is not impossible, but I do not really believe >in it. I think that you either believe in something or you don't believe in it. "Not really believing" means "I am curious and would like to find out more, so that I can confirm my own instincts and intuition". >I think, OBEs are only possible for us when our physical body is living. Do you? That would make time travel impossible then... and I have found that it is possible, so that theory doesn't work for me. But then, maybe if you think like that then time travel wouldn't work for you. I am increasingly convinced that the extent and range of possiblities for OOBE adventures is directly related to the amount of imagination you posess. Someone with very little imagination (eg a second rate scientist) might have dozens of OOBEs but never get beyond wandering around their own bedroom, bumping into furniture. >What do you think about that? (Did you meet dead people?) Yes, and it was a joy and honour to be tenderly greeted by someone I loved and lost. I was given a message to take back to her children, which was an even greater honour. I later heard that other people had been given messages to them from her, too. That was entirely convincing enough for me. She wasn't a ghost, by the way, she was herself, and as gentle and lovely as she ever was in life. >2.Since I find the idea of a life after death not impossible, I become >more and more afraid of meeting other beeings when I am OB. In every >book I red about OBEs the author tells frightening stories about that >and I am getting so scared that I do not want to experience when I am >alone at home any more. But all those authors survived happily enough to write books about it, didn't they? You are learning how to deal with scary things by reading and thinking about the possibility. A lot of people, including myself, met a scary thing when they first began to Travel. It is called your own Fear, or 'The Lurker at the Threshold'. It is made up of all the scariest things you can imagine. Mine was dark and hairy with terrible toenails. It has several important jobs. One is to scare you back into your own body until you are ready to deal with it. Recognise it for your own creation, and radiate love and affection towards it, as you would towards a child pretending to be a lion or a crocodile. It will deflate, let you pass beyond the threshold, and become the Guardian of your own body until you return. That is its other job; to keep you safe. It is a friend and an ally. Recognise it for this and your journeys will be wonderful. If you meet anything else scary out there, just quietly pass on by, or radiate love towards that thing too. If you get scared and throw things (other than fluffy pink balls of love!) at a 'scary thing', it will redouble in strength, building on your fears. So there is nothing to fear but fear itself. Curiosity will overcome your fears. Love is your shield and your finest defence. Love will find a way. And what a wonderful way it is! >What are your experiences, Not enough space or time to retell. >did you see ghosts, Yes, a dozen or more. >were they frightening? No, they were people who had once been alive and so were still motivated by the same friendships, love and curiosity as they ever were. What could be scary about that? >Thank you, Kassandra Thank you, for interesting and thought-provoking questions! All best wishes, Julia HM. ###### From: striker@zip.com.au (Traveller) Newsgroups: alt.out-of-body Subject: Re: OBEs and life after death Date: Thu, 31 Dec 1998 01:01:37 GMT Organization: The Zipsters Lines: 20 Message-ID: <368accc4.1497969@news.zip.com.au> References: <368ABA85.D30D24A7@unet.univie.ac.at> Reply-To: striker@zip.com.au NNTP-Posting-Host: 61.8.19.138 X-Newsreader: Forte Free Agent 1.11/16.235 Path: chonsp.franklin.ch!pfaff.ethz.ch!news-zh.switch.ch!news-ge.switch.ch!newscore.univie.ac.at!howland.erols.net!netnews.com!newsfeed.zip.com.au!the-fly.zip.com.au!not-for-mail Hello Kassandra, Which books have you been reading? Regards Peter Bennett On Thu, 31 Dec 1998 00:43:01 +0100, Gundi wrote: >more and more afraid of meeting other beeings when I am OB. In every >book I red about OBEs the author tells frightening stories about that >and I am getting so scared that I do not want to experience when I am >alone at home any more. >What are your experiences, did you see ghosts, were they frightening? > > >Thank you, Kassandra > ###### From: sterno@bigbrother.net Newsgroups: alt.out-of-body Subject: Re: OBEs and life after death Date: Thu, 31 Dec 1998 14:25:45 GMT Organization: Deja News - The Leader in Internet Discussion Lines: 51 Message-ID: <76g1h7$odq$1@nnrp1.dejanews.com> References: <368ABA85.D30D24A7@unet.univie.ac.at> NNTP-Posting-Host: 206.68.128.142 X-Article-Creation-Date: Thu Dec 31 14:25:45 1998 GMT X-Http-User-Agent: Mozilla/4.5 [en] (WinNT; I) X-Http-Proxy: 1.0 x2.dejanews.com:80 (Squid/1.1.22) for client 206.68.128.142 Path: chonsp.franklin.ch!pfaff.ethz.ch!news-zh.switch.ch!newsfeed-zh.ip-plus.net!news-nyc.telia.net!newsfeed.cwix.com!204.238.120.130!news-feeds.jump.net!nntp2.dejanews.com!nnrp1.dejanews.com!not-for-mail > 1. In several books about OBEs I have red that anyone who has made an > experience like that is from that moment on totally convinced that > he/she will go on living after death. Why should one believe that??? > Before I had my first OBE I did not believe in anything, now that I know > that we have an "astral body", which we can seperate from the physical, > I think, life after death is not impossible, but I do not really believe > in it. > I think, OBEs are only possible for us when our physical body is living. > What do you think about that? (Did you meet dead people?) I have heard many people describe OBE experiences where they were able to meet those people who were already dead. One thing I find curious about that phenomenon though is that the many of the people who have had this happen also believe in reincarnation and have visited their past lives. If the spirit goes to the astral world after death then how the heck do we end up back on the physical? Personally my belief is that there has to be more to existence than the flash of time that we live on this earth. If there isn't an afterlife, then what is the point of existing in the first place? I believe that there is a spiritual world where we go after our deaths and can spend as much time there as we wish. Eventually though we feel compelled to return to the physical. My suspicion is that we gain something from the experience of starting over from scratch and experience reality from an entirely new perspective. > 2.Since I find the idea of a life after death not impossible, I become > more and more afraid of meeting other beeings when I am OB. In every > book I red about OBEs the author tells frightening stories about that > and I am getting so scared that I do not want to experience when I am > alone at home any more. > What are your experiences, did you see ghosts, were they frightening? I've read varying accounts on this subject. I've heard of people who have nothing but trouble from miscellaneous spiritual entities, and I've heard from others who have never had a single problem. Generally from what I can tell it appears to be tied to Karma and your energy state. If you have negative Karma floating around, you will likely be more effected by the more unpleasant denizens of the astral realm. If you are concerned about running into something unpleasant in the astral realm, I would suggest learning more about psychic protection techniques. There are simple and effective ways to protect yourself from the less friendly elements of the astral realm. ---Steve -----------== Posted via Deja News, The Discussion Network ==---------- http://www.dejanews.com/ Search, Read, Discuss, or Start Your Own ###### Message-ID: <368BC7A4.99FC7307@the.end.of.the.message> Date: Fri, 01 Jan 1999 05:51:16 +1100 From: Craig Organization: Deja Vous X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.05 [en] (Win95; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 Newsgroups: alt.out-of-body Subject: Re: OBEs and life after death References: <368ABA85.D30D24A7@unet.univie.ac.at> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit NNTP-Posting-Host: 203.18.28.8 X-Trace: 1 Jan 1999 05:52:24 +1000, 203.18.28.8 Lines: 62 Path: chonsp.franklin.ch!pfaff.ethz.ch!news-zh.switch.ch!newsfeed-zh.ip-plus.net!news-nyc.telia.net!newsfeed.cwix.com!158.43.192.17!rill.news.pipex.net!pipex!ams.news.uu.net!uunet!in2.uu.net!nap-ns1!203.18.28.8 Hi Kassandra :-) > Six month ago I had my first OBE and since that time leaving my physical > body is my favourite hobby. I have two questions: > 1. In several books about OBEs I have red that anyone who has made an > experience like that is from that moment on totally convinced that > he/she will go on living after death. Why should one believe that??? If you know you are mortal, then; you find you can go somewhere were you can do anything, and basically not die, would you not believe you will live on somehow after death? Some people are also very enlightened from the OBE's they have, they are very spiritual to them, and they find answers, within themselves, that convince them of this. > Before I had my first OBE I did not believe in anything, now that I know > that we have an "astral body", which we can seperate from the physical, > I think, life after death is not impossible, but I do not really believe > in it. > I think, OBEs are only possible for us when our physical body is living. > What do you think about that? (Did you meet dead people?) So, you would believe that the astral body is only capable of sustaining itself when we are physically living. Hmmm, that's a good point, but what about NDE's. Those people are clinically dead, yet are still OOB at the time. And, also, there are alot of people who DO meet and speak with dead people astrally. Read some of Robert Monroe's books if you can, amongst a lot of others. :-) > 2.Since I find the idea of a life after death not impossible, I become > more and more afraid of meeting other beeings when I am OB. In every > book I red about OBEs the author tells frightening stories about that > and I am getting so scared that I do not want to experience when I am > alone at home any more. Who have you read exactly? Most of the books I read tell of very spiritual and meaningful meetings with dead relatives etc. There may be bad spirits in the astral, but if you set up protection for yourself you will be okay. In any sort of emergency, where you feel you may be threatened, you need only think about you physical body in some way, attempt to move you physical self, and bring yourself back, IMO. :-) > What are your experiences, did you see ghosts, were they frightening? I have never actually interacted with the people I have seen in my OBE's, although, someone tried to run me over once, but I just floated up out of harms way. Of the people I did know, they are alive and well and living their lives in this physical world now. Keep a positive attitude, and you will attract positive feelings, keep a negative attitude and you will attract those. :-) All the best Craig -- The sure way to make a thing impossible- -is to think it so. --- Franklin To respond, delete _nospam_ scrappy@_nospam_netconnect.com.au -- ###### From: Kassandra Newsgroups: alt.out-of-body Subject: Re: OBEs and life after death Date: Sat, 02 Jan 1999 22:05:16 +0100 Organization: Vienna University, Austria Lines: 151 Message-ID: <368E8A0B.5BB9A3EE@unet.univie.ac.at> References: <368ABA85.D30D24A7@unet.univie.ac.at> NNTP-Posting-Host: unet3-218.univie.ac.at Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="------------E688A24C2B4205FBE3F21059" X-Trace: www.univie.ac.at 915311387 46078 131.130.232.218 (2 Jan 1999 21:09:47 GMT) X-Complaints-To: news-adm@news.univie.ac.at NNTP-Posting-Date: 2 Jan 1999 21:09:47 GMT X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.07 [de]C-QXW0310J (Win95; I) Path: chonsp.franklin.ch!pfaff.ethz.ch!news-zh.switch.ch!news-ge.switch.ch!news-fra1.dfn.de!aconews.univie.ac.at!news.univie.ac.at!not-for-mail --------------E688A24C2B4205FBE3F21059 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Hi Julia, Peter, Richard, Steve and Craig! First I want to thank you very much for your interesting replies. They were really a great help for me. I am new to this newsgroup and I never had the possibility to talk to people who experienced OBEs. You asked, what books I have been reading. I red Monroe, Muldoon (&Carrington), Peterson, Brennan, Baker, Zurfluh and Lischka. They all describe situations were they saw, felt or communicated with beeings of the astral world. Maybe that`s not frightening for you at all because you have been experiencing that already. For me who never believed in anything but the material world even thinking about that possibility is scary. But Richard, I think you are right, I am sure I only need time to get used to this thought and then I can make the next step forward. It takes time to change beliefs. Craig and Steve, you write about protection techniques to become "unvulnerable". What do you mean by that? Just to be sure that nothing can happen because returning into the physical body is always possible? Please tell me about it! Julia, you said something about people who never get beyond wandering around their own bedroom, bumping into furniture. Coud you tell me how to manage to stay in the bedroom?? I almost always start my OBEs from a lucid dream. (I become conscious during a dream and if I want to get OB, I find myself laying in bed, feeling strong vibrations, make them more intense by concentrating on them and then leave the body which is not always simple, unfortunately). Only two times I managed to stay in the physical room, that means, I think that I saw the physical surrounding, maybe ist was only a brilliant hallucination, but I don`t believe that. The other times I always drifted away into a lucid dream. My mind was totally clear but the things I saw in my bedroom were different from reality. I was always very disappointed then. I mean, I love having lucid dreams and exploring my inner world but at the moment I would like to walk around in my appartment, what is probably boring for people who are expertes on OBEs. Do you know the author Alfred Lischka? He is swiss I think and I don`t know if his book was translated in English. He writes that there is a difference between what he calls exteriorisation (moving around in the physical world with your astral body) and the journey of soul which means the moving in the astral world. When I find myself conscious in another world than the physical I always think that this must be a (lucid) dream. So either I am wrong and already was in the astral word or I really drifted away into my dream-world. How do you know, if you are in the astral sphere or only in a lucid dream? And there is a last very un-spiritual question: I am in the internet for only one week and I am not really used to work with it yet. In this newsgroup, how do you reply in my case? I want to reply all of you. Now I do this to the forum in one big letter. Is it better to copy this letter and send it as an email to everyone of you so that I can be sure that you will get it? Or should I answer everyone of you in an extra reply (although I find my replies to you are somehow related and there are questions like this one that I want to ask everyone of you), should I then send the replies to your email-adress, too? Thank you! Kassandra --------------E688A24C2B4205FBE3F21059 Content-Type: text/html; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Hi Julia, Peter, Richard, Steve and Craig!

    First I want to thank you very much for your interesting replies. They were really a great help for me. I am new to this newsgroup and I never had the possibility to talk to people who experienced OBEs.

    You asked, what books I have been reading. I red Monroe, Muldoon (&Carrington), Peterson, Brennan, Baker, Zurfluh and Lischka. They all describe situations were they saw, felt or communicated with beeings of the astral world. Maybe that`s not frightening for you at all because you have been experiencing that already. For me who never believed in anything but the material world even thinking about that possibility is scary.
But Richard, I think you are right, I am sure I only need time to get used to this thought and then I can make the next step forward. It takes time to change beliefs.

    Craig and Steve, you write about protection techniques to become "unvulnerable". What do you mean by that? Just to be sure that nothing can happen because returning into the physical body is always possible? Please tell me about it!

    Julia, you said something about people who never get beyond wandering around their own bedroom, bumping into furniture. Coud you tell me how to manage to stay in the bedroom??
I almost always start my OBEs from a lucid dream. (I become conscious during a dream and if I want to get OB, I find myself laying in bed, feeling strong vibrations, make them more intense by concentrating on them and then leave the body which is not always simple, unfortunately). Only two times I managed to stay in the physical room, that means, I think that I saw the physical surrounding, maybe ist was only a brilliant hallucination, but I don`t believe that. The other times I always drifted away into a lucid dream. My mind was totally clear but the things I saw in my bedroom were different from reality. I was always very disappointed then. I mean, I love having lucid dreams and exploring my inner world but at the moment I would like to walk around in my appartment, what is probably boring for people who are expertes on OBEs.

    Do you know the author Alfred Lischka? He is swiss I think and I don`t know if his book was translated in English. He writes that there is a difference between what he calls exteriorisation (moving around in the physical world with your astral body) and the journey of soul which means the moving in the astral world. When I find myself conscious in another world than the physical I always think that this must be a (lucid) dream. So either I am wrong and already was in the astral word or I really drifted away into my dream-world.
How do you know, if you are in the astral sphere or only in a lucid dream?

    And there is a last very un-spiritual question: I am in the internet for only one week and I am not really used to work with it yet. In this newsgroup, how do you reply in my case? I want to reply all of you. Now I do this to the forum in one big letter. Is it better to copy this letter and send it as an email to everyone of you so that I can be sure that you will get it? Or should I answer everyone of you in an extra reply (although I find my replies to you are somehow related and there are questions like this one that I want to ask everyone of you), should I then send the replies to your email-adress, too?
 

Thank you!  Kassandra
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
  --------------E688A24C2B4205FBE3F21059-- ###### Message-ID: <368EF388.CEFFC298@the.end.of.the.message> Date: Sun, 03 Jan 1999 15:35:20 +1100 From: Craig Organization: Deja Vous X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.05 [en] (Win95; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 Newsgroups: alt.out-of-body Subject: Re: OBEs and life after death References: <368ABA85.D30D24A7@unet.univie.ac.at> <368E8A0B.5BB9A3EE@unet.univie.ac.at> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit NNTP-Posting-Host: 203.18.28.14 X-Trace: 4 Jan 1999 02:27:28 +1000, 203.18.28.14 Lines: 78 Path: chonsp.franklin.ch!pfaff.ethz.ch!news-zh.switch.ch!newsfeed-zh.ip-plus.net!news-nyc.telia.net!newspump.monmouth.com!newspeer.monmouth.com!rill.news.pipex.net!pipex!ams.news.uu.net!uunet!in2.uu.net!nap-ns1!203.18.28.14 Kassandra wrote: > > Hi Julia, Peter, Richard, Steve and Craig! > > First I want to thank you very much for your interesting replies. > They were really a great help for me. I am new to this newsgroup and I > never had the possibility to talk to people who experienced OBEs. > > You asked, what books I have been reading. I red Monroe, Muldoon > (&Carrington), Peterson, Brennan, Baker, Zurfluh and Lischka. They all > describe situations were they saw, felt or communicated with beeings > of the astral world. Maybe that`s not frightening for you at all > because you have been experiencing that already. For me who never > believed in anything but the material world even thinking about that > possibility is scary. > But Richard, I think you are right, I am sure I only need time to get > used to this thought and then I can make the next step forward. It > takes time to change beliefs. > > Craig and Steve, you write about protection techniques to become > "unvulnerable". What do you mean by that? Just to be sure that nothing > can happen because returning into the physical body is always > possible? Please tell me about it! There are probably a thousand ways you can protect yourself. :-) If you are religious, you can use prayer. If you can visualize well, you can imagine a glowing sphere of light around you, before you project, which will not let anything harm you. I think though, what you really need to do, is just believe that if you can't be harmed, you wont be, you know? Believe in yourself and the fact that you are in control and you will be safe. Yes, you can return to the physical anytime you feel threatened, although you may have anxieties about the experience, you will be safe, IMO. Have a look at John Fitzsimons pages also. He has a little more info there: http://www.vicnet.net.au/~johnf/welcome.htm http://www.alphalink.com.au/~johnf/ > And there is a last very un-spiritual question: I am in the > internet for only one week and I am not really used to work with it > yet. In this newsgroup, how do you reply in my case? I want to reply > all of you. Now I do this to the forum in one big letter. Is it better > to copy this letter and send it as an email to everyone of you so that > I can be sure that you will get it? Or should I answer everyone of you > in an extra reply (although I find my replies to you are somehow > related and there are questions like this one that I want to ask > everyone of you), should I then send the replies to your email-adress, > too? :-) Well, IMO, there is nothing wrong with the way you have replied here Kassandra. Sometimes I feel hesitant replying to people via their email directly, just for the fact of their privacy, you know? Sometimes people find they can talk freely here without fear of ridicule etc. so in that case, replying here only may save them embarrassment etc. But, if someone asks or implies personal emails is okay, by all means go ahead. Another reason I feel it is useful to reply here in the NG, is because a lot of people just read the messages here and never actually post messages, so there are a lot of people who could benefit from replies that get posted also. :-) If time is not an issue with you, maybe replying to the posts separately would be a good idea too, but again, I think you have done a great job summing up everything you needed to say/ask in the one post in this instance. :-) I hope you stick around for a while. :-) All the best Craig -- The sure way to make a thing impossible- -is to think it so. --- Franklin To respond, delete _nospam_ scrappy@_nospam_netconnect.com.au -- ###### From: silkdick@aol.com (Silk Dick) Newsgroups: alt.out-of-body Subject: Re: OBEs and life after death Lines: 19 NNTP-Posting-Host: ladder03.news.aol.com X-Admin: news@aol.com Date: 04 Jan 1999 18:56:15 GMT References: <368E8A0B.5BB9A3EE@unet.univie.ac.at> Organization: AOL http://www.aol.com X-Newsreader: AOL Offline Reader Message-ID: <19990104135615.23605.00002582@ngol01.aol.com> Path: chonsp.franklin.ch!pfaff.ethz.ch!news-zh.switch.ch!news-ge.switch.ch!news-fra1.dfn.de!news-was.dfn.de!news-spur1.maxwell.syr.edu!news.maxwell.syr.edu!cpk-news-hub1.bbnplanet.com!news.gtei.net!portc02.blue.aol.com!audrey03.news.aol.com!not-for-mail In article <368E8A0B.5BB9A3EE@unet.univie.ac.at>, Kassandra writes: >Coud you tell me how to manage to stay in the bedroom?? WARNING: this rather intense form of exercise can lead to a VERY reclusive lifestyle! Not only will you restrict your astral travel to your bedroom, but you'll also invariably restrict your PHYSICAL body to your bedroom as well! The physical OFTEN follows the astral! !!! VERY OFTEN!!!!! Dick Silk, The Computer Tutor www.citysearch.com/nas/computertutor SilkDick@aol.com pager #615-923-1696