From: silkdick@aol.com (Silk Dick) Newsgroups: alt.out-of-body Subject: faq spammers Lines: 30 NNTP-Posting-Host: ladder01.news.aol.com X-Admin: news@aol.com Date: 24 Dec 1998 04:36:09 GMT References: <19981223175916.01146.00000716@ng-cb1.aol.com> Organization: AOL http://www.aol.com X-Newsreader: AOL Offline Reader Message-ID: <19981223233609.23752.00000403@ngol04.aol.com> Path: chonsp.franklin.ch!pfaff.ethz.ch!news-zh.switch.ch!newsfeed-zh.ip-plus.net!news-nyc.telia.net!news.maxwell.syr.edu!news-peer.gip.net!news.gsl.net!gip.net!portc01.blue.aol.com!audrey01.news.aol.com!not-for-mail I have a Christmas Present to request of some of you folk out there (and you know who you are): would you PLEASE just post a link or a URL listing or "please send e-mail to:" in order to spread your faq pages? After all, they are solely your own personal opinions, and even if you have research or other people's opinions mixed in, they're still opinions. Some folk with slow computers and slow modems have to wade thru these so-called faq posts at a bogglingly slow pace, only to hit the delete key, as we would any other piece of spam. So... I'm asking nicely now, PLEASE cut out the SPAM! an e-mail address, or URL or html link would suffice FAR more easily, and use up TONS less bandwidth! Thanks in advance, Dick Silk, The Computer Tutor www.citysearch.com/nas/computertutor SilkDick@aol.com pager #615-923-1696 ###### Message-ID: <36828F63.1E76@geocities.com> From: Life-Saver Reply-To: life-saver@geocities.com Organization: none X-Mailer: Mozilla 3.01Gold (Win95; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 Newsgroups: alt.out-of-body Subject: Re: faq spammers References: <19981223175916.01146.00000716@ng-cb1.aol.com> <19981223233609.23752.00000403@ngol04.aol.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Lines: 34 Date: Thu, 24 Dec 1998 14:00:51 -0500 NNTP-Posting-Host: 206.172.247.146 X-Trace: news20.bellglobal.com 914526181 206.172.247.146 (Thu, 24 Dec 1998 14:03:01 EDT) NNTP-Posting-Date: Thu, 24 Dec 1998 14:03:01 EDT Path: chonsp.franklin.ch!pfaff.ethz.ch!news-zh.switch.ch!news-ge.switch.ch!news.maxwell.syr.edu!cyclone.news.idirect.com!island.idirect.com!news1.bellglobal.com!news20.bellglobal.com.POSTED!not-for-mail Silk Dick wrote: > > I have a Christmas Present to request of some of you folk out there (and you > know who you are): > > would you PLEASE just post a link or a URL listing or "please send e-mail to:" > in order to spread your faq pages? > After all, they are solely your own personal opinions, and even if you have > research or other people's opinions mixed in, they're still opinions. > > Some folk with slow computers and slow modems have to wade thru these so-called > faq posts at a bogglingly slow pace, only to hit the delete key, as we would > any other piece of spam. > > So... I'm asking nicely now, onhe thing (I am not conserned but) the two FAQs are posted once a week (to what I have seen), and you don't have to download them when you don't read them!... what news program do you use? mine downloads the subjects list, and as I click on messages, they download it.. its called: NETSCAPE. another one, is Forte Agent. he is a bit slower, but you have more options... so I mostly use netscape, and when I see the FAQ, I just click the "Unread" flag, and its done! if your news program downloads the whole newsgroup before anything happens, you SHOULD change! -- Life-Saver life-saver@geocities.com http://www.geocities.com/area51/lair/5498 ###### Path: chonsp.franklin.ch!usenet From: Neil Franklin Newsgroups: alt.out-of-body Subject: Re: faq spammers Date: 24 Dec 1998 22:23:47 +0100 Organization: My own Private Self Lines: 74 Sender: neil@chonsp.franklin.ch Message-ID: References: <19981223175916.01146.00000716@ng-cb1.aol.com> <19981223233609.23752.00000403@ngol04.aol.com> <36828F63.1E76@geocities.com> X-Newsreader: Gnus v5.3/Emacs 19.34 Life-Saver writes: > > Silk Dick wrote: > > > > would you PLEASE just post a link or a URL listing I absolutely support the desire for this christmas present! And in case of regular posters they could even put them into their .sig blocks. > > Some folk with slow computers and slow modems have to wade thru these so-cal led > > faq posts at a bogglingly slow pace, only to hit the delete key, as we would > > any other piece of spam. Particularly if they have an Internet connection over phone lines where they have to pay $1.00 per minute. For you americans: in most countries every phone call (inclusive local) is billed on time. And an ISP in every town is nowhere near universal out here, some some have to download over long distance. > onhe thing (I am not conserned but) the two FAQs are posted once a week > (to what I have seen), and you don't have to download them when you > don't read them!... what news program do you use? mine downloads the > subjects list, and as I click on messages, they download it.. And while you are reading through the subject lines and deciding which posts you want the tax meter on the phone is climbing at $1/min. Particularly for peole who want to read most of the posts it is actually cheaper to download the entire group en-bloc. Spam et al. Guess why my downloader is set to auto-kill anything over 1000 lines (that gets most pictures and .DOC files)? > its called: NETSCAPE. And its ugly and slow and lacks features I like. And the editor in it is pure crap (I am forced to use it at work, I don't want it at home). > another one, is Forte Agent. he is a bit slower, What? Even slower? Urgh. And AFAIK Windows-only (yes, some of us prefer choice over Microsofts communist dictatorship). > options... so I mostly use netscape, and when I see the FAQ, I just > click the "Unread" flag, and its done! Nice for you with free local phone calls. And an additional nit: the FAQs are all dreaming and lucid dreaming FAQs. Why are they in alt-out-of-body and not in alt.dreams.lucid? If they are also there: why are they in both? Surely anyone who is interested in LD reads that one too. If not: get onto it and only download the FAQs :-). Why did they invent separate NGs if nobody put the stuff in the right one? -- Neil Franklin, Nerd, Geek, Unix Guru, Hacker, Mystic neil@franklin.ch.remove http://neil.franklin.ch/ Programming: when you stop hammering around on the computer as if it were a piece of dumb matter and instead tell it what to do for you ###### From: silkdick@aol.com (Silk Dick) Newsgroups: alt.out-of-body Subject: Re: faq spammers Lines: 24 NNTP-Posting-Host: ladder01.news.aol.com X-Admin: news@aol.com Date: 25 Dec 1998 00:32:51 GMT References: <36828F63.1E76@geocities.com> Organization: AOL http://www.aol.com X-Newsreader: AOL Offline Reader Message-ID: <19981224193251.25333.00000495@ngol02.aol.com> Path: chonsp.franklin.ch!pfaff.ethz.ch!news-zh.switch.ch!news-ge.switch.ch!news.maxwell.syr.edu!cpk-news-hub1.bbnplanet.com!news.gtei.net!portc02.blue.aol.com!audrey01.news.aol.com!not-for-mail In article <36828F63.1E76@geocities.com>, Life-Saver writes: > >if your news program downloads the whole newsgroup before anything >happens, you SHOULD change! > >- I just keep hoping AOL will do SOMETHING to improve their NG offline capabilities. I had a system on BBS's called QWK which was superior to THIS crap! Still, by NOT POSTING ENTIRE FAQs, the bandwidth useage would shrink CONSIDERABLY, especially if it were to become adopted as usenet protocol on a wide basis (I know... "Dream On..." but after all... ) Dick Silk, The Computer Tutor www.citysearch.com/nas/computertutor SilkDick@aol.com pager #615-923-1696 ###### From: silkdick@aol.com (Silk Dick) Newsgroups: alt.out-of-body Subject: Re: faq spammers Lines: 43 NNTP-Posting-Host: ladder01.news.aol.com X-Admin: news@aol.com Date: 25 Dec 1998 06:28:30 GMT References: Organization: AOL http://www.aol.com X-Newsreader: AOL Offline Reader Message-ID: <19981225012830.25458.00000444@ngol06.aol.com> Path: chonsp.franklin.ch!pfaff.ethz.ch!news-zh.switch.ch!newsfeed-zh.ip-plus.net!news-nyc.telia.net!newshub.northeast.verio.net!cpk-news-hub1.bbnplanet.com!news.gtei.net!portc02.blue.aol.com!audrey01.news.aol.com!not-for-mail In article , Neil Franklin writes: [silk originally requested:] > > would you PLEASE just post a link or a URL listing [n.f. chimed in:] >I absolutely support the desire for this christmas present! > >And in case of regular posters they could even put them into their .sig >blocks. Hey! there's a good one! I hadn't thought of that! >> Some folk with slow computers and slow modems have to wade thru these >so-called faq posts at a bogglingly slow pace, only to hit the delete key, as we >would any other piece of spam. > >Particularly if they have an Internet connection over phone lines where >they have to pay $1.00 per minute. >For you Americans: in most countries every phone call (inclusive >local) is billed on time. And an ISP in every town is nowhere near >universal out here, some some have to download over long distance. I'd forgotten about that angle as well, but it did stick in the back of my mind... TIME (even milliseconds) is MONEY! the only thing worse than Frequently Asked Questions is: Frequently Posted Spam!! (take NOTE, Lars!) Dick Silk, The Computer Tutor www.citysearch.com/nas/computertutor SilkDick@aol.com pager #615-923-1696 ###### Message-ID: <3683AA01.495A@geocities.com> From: Life-Saver Reply-To: life-saver@geocities.com Organization: none X-Mailer: Mozilla 3.01Gold (Win95; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 Newsgroups: alt.out-of-body Subject: Re: faq spammers References: <19981223175916.01146.00000716@ng-cb1.aol.com> <19981223233609.23752.00000403@ngol04.aol.com> <36828F63.1E76@geocities.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Lines: 32 Date: Fri, 25 Dec 1998 10:06:41 -0500 NNTP-Posting-Host: 206.172.247.160 X-Trace: news20.bellglobal.com 914598531 206.172.247.160 (Fri, 25 Dec 1998 10:08:51 EDT) NNTP-Posting-Date: Fri, 25 Dec 1998 10:08:51 EDT Path: chonsp.franklin.ch!pfaff.ethz.ch!news-zh.switch.ch!newsfeed-zh.ip-plus.net!news-nyc.telia.net!newsfeed.cwix.com!206.172.150.11!news1.bellglobal.com!news20.bellglobal.com.POSTED!not-for-mail > > > Some folk with slow computers and slow modems have to wade thru these so-cal > led > > > faq posts at a bogglingly slow pace, only to hit the delete key, as we would > > > any other piece of spam. > > Particularly if they have an Internet connection over phone lines where > they have to pay $1.00 per minute. OK I see your point... > > And its ugly and slow and lacks features I like. And the editor in it > is pure crap (I am forced to use it at work, I don't want it at home). > > > another one, is Forte Agent. he is a bit slower, > > What? Even slower? Urgh. well slower, not in connection, not in CPU usage, but because, it downloads more info about the newsgroup, ie: total lines of the message, it also tags together messages that contains files, ie: this program is VERY popular among people going in alt.binaries.Warez or such newsgroup its the most complete program I've seen yet, you should try it... of course, you may not have the TIME/MONEY to download it... :) anyway Merry Xmas Life-Saver life-saver@geocities.com http://www.geocities.com/area51/lair/5498