Message-ID: <3679924C.AB3@geocities.com> From: Life-Saver Reply-To: life-saver@geocities.com Organization: none X-Mailer: Mozilla 3.01Gold (Win95; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 Newsgroups: alt.out-of-body Subject: Pause the moment? Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Lines: 12 Date: Thu, 17 Dec 1998 23:24:07 GMT NNTP-Posting-Host: 206.172.247.159 NNTP-Posting-Date: Thu, 17 Dec 1998 18:24:07 EDT Path: chonsp.franklin.ch!pfaff.ethz.ch!news-zh.switch.ch!news-ge.switch.ch!news.maxwell.syr.edu!cyclone.news.idirect.com!island.idirect.com!news1.bellglobal.com!198.235.216.4.POSTED!not-for-mail Enybody seen the new StarTrek movie? The people of a small planet there are a civilisation that reject science, and they have ... well at least ONE psychic power :)))) they are able to pause a moment in life to feel it entirely (like living a cool moment in slow motion) I wonder if such a thing is possible... don't understand? see the movie! its worth it!! Life-Saver life-saver@geocities.com http://www.geocities.com/area51/lair/5498 ###### From: "Jameson" Newsgroups: alt.out-of-body Subject: Re: Pause the moment? Date: Thu, 17 Dec 1998 19:24:49 -0600 Organization: Verio Gulfsouth Lines: 29 Message-ID: <75canv$rev$1@nntp.gulfsouth.verio.net> References: <3679924C.AB3@geocities.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: ppp339-ham.i-55.com X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.3110.1 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.3110.3 Path: chonsp.franklin.ch!pfaff.ethz.ch!news-zh.switch.ch!newsfeed-zh.ip-plus.net!news-nyc.telia.net!newshub.northeast.verio.net!gulfsouth.verio.net!not-for-mail It is very possible to slow down or speed up the way the brain interperets things.I used to have wierd seizures where this happened naturually.The cause was the same of that of an epileptic siezure,but the effect was not.I would seem perfectly normal,only in my head things were veeerry slooow and LOOOUUUUD.You may thjink this is kool,and you can do alot of stuff in a short amount of time...WRONG!Your physical body responds to the brain at the same rate.Except,you can do 1,000 mathematical problems (which seems to take hours)in a few seconds.This doesn't happen to me spontaniously anymore,but I have learned how to control from the past experiences,and can trigger it at will!I use it on test at school sometimes.But if someone talks to me at this point,i appear as someone who is on drugs,cuz i have my mouth open from,astonishment??and am talking words rapidly,but not moving my mouth as fast as my voice box is responding to my brain signals. Life-Saver wrote in message <3679924C.AB3@geocities.com>... >Enybody seen the new StarTrek movie? > >The people of a small planet there are a civilisation that reject >science, and they have ... well at least ONE psychic power :)))) >they are able to pause a moment in life to feel it entirely >(like living a cool moment in slow motion) I wonder if such a thing is >possible... > >don't understand? see the movie! its worth it!! >Life-Saver >life-saver@geocities.com >http://www.geocities.com/area51/lair/5498 ###### From: "Bart" Newsgroups: alt.out-of-body Subject: Re: Pause the moment? Date: Thu, 17 Dec 1998 19:39:21 -0500 Organization: ICGNetcom Lines: 28 Message-ID: <75c8sp$ifq@dfw-ixnews9.ix.netcom.com> References: <3679924C.AB3@geocities.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: clv-oh43-27.ix.netcom.com X-NETCOM-Date: Thu Dec 17 6:50:33 PM CST 1998 X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.3110.1 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.3110.3 Path: chonsp.franklin.ch!pfaff.ethz.ch!news-zh.switch.ch!news.belnet.be!212.63.192.161.MISMATCH!newshub.bart.net!news.tele2.nl!newsfeed1.swip.net!swipnet!nntp.abs.net!netnews.com!ix.netcom.com!news Life-Saver wrote in message <3679924C.AB3@geocities.com>... >Enybody seen the new StarTrek movie? > >The people of a small planet there are a civilisation that reject >science, and they have ... well at least ONE psychic power :)))) >they are able to pause a moment in life to feel it entirely >(like living a cool moment in slow motion) I wonder if such a thing is >possible... Ever been in a car wreck? Everything moves in slow motion. Why, just the other day I was on a curved exit ramp thinking, "Oh, the road is wet and I'm going too fast. Better slow down before I start to.... Oops - too late... now I'm going sideways. Ever so happy there is no wall or oncoming traffic to worry about - still, this could be a mess. Glad it's a company car - but wait - this is not going to look good on my performance review. How does one get out of a side-skid on a very tightly curved road? No matter what I do, I'll still end up out in that field. Perhaps now would be a good time to pray..." and just then the wheels took hold again. That's an awful lot of thinking taking place in a two or three second period. Bart ###### From: chester basshead Newsgroups: alt.out-of-body Subject: Re: Pause the moment? Date: Thu, 17 Dec 1998 23:18:58 -0800 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit References: <75canv$rev$1@nntp.gulfsouth.verio.net> <19981218010555.11318.00001591@ngol07.aol.com> X-Posted-Path-Was: not-for-mail Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-ELN-Date: 18 Dec 1998 07:12:10 GMT X-ELN-Insert-Date: Thu Dec 17 23:15:03 1998 Organization: EarthLink Network, Inc. Lines: 44 Mime-Version: 1.0 NNTP-Posting-Host: 1cust240.tnt5.lax1.da.uu.net Message-ID: <367A01E2.C64AD62E@earthlink.nXXXet> X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.05 [en] (Win95; I) Path: chonsp.franklin.ch!pfaff.ethz.ch!news-zh.switch.ch!newsfeed-zh.ip-plus.net!News.Amsterdam.UnisourceCS!news.freedom2surf.net!diablo.theplanet.net!news-spur1.maxwell.syr.edu!news.maxwell.syr.edu!newsfeed.cwix.com!207.217.77.43!newsfeed1.earthlink.net!nntp.earthlink.net!posted-from-earthlink!not-for-mail Silk Dick wrote: > for the record: THOUGHT is the ONLY thing which can travel FASTER than the > speed of light (as far as is presently known). > > as your THOUGHTS pick up speed, time slows down. when your thoughts are AT the > speed of light, time stops, and when your thoughts are FASTER than the speed of > light, time runs backwards. > > If you read about that gal in Fort Wayne I was in the car with ... let me tell > you about another incident: I was inside her living room, with her grandmother > there, her parents, sister, her sister's fiance, herself, myself... and things > were running BACKWARDS for brief blips of time, during which I had to stop and > relax, and let time unwind and run forwards again in order to understand what > I'd just seen and heard. > > Note: this was NOT during a dream! it was while I was WIDE AWAKE! > Note: I'd had VERY little sleep for the last two days, and had made a GRUELING > drive to Fort Wayne on icy interstate roads, snow covered roads, wet and slick > roads, AT NIGHT, from Nashville (450 miles). > Note: I was PHYSICALLY exhausted, but not totally aware of it, because the > heart beats while driving were slowed as during meditation. Probably mentally > exhausted as well, but unaware of it because I was with that SEXY blonde babe! > :-) > (Her name was Theresa B.) > > What a TRIP I had that weekend! It was 1984, if I'm unmistaken... > Hi Dick! I have enjoyed your humorous posts. hee hee. Glad to have you back, even though I wasn't around when you left. :) A fair lady once said to me, in a bout of quantum craziness, 'you know.... time is really only the anticipation of an event' then maybe 'meaning' is the relationship between events. that's all. it's easy, and no neutrino needed to boot! ;) brian ###### From: silkdick@aol.com (Silk Dick) Newsgroups: alt.out-of-body Subject: Re: Pause the moment? Lines: 33 NNTP-Posting-Host: ladder03.news.aol.com X-Admin: news@aol.com Date: 18 Dec 1998 06:05:55 GMT References: <75canv$rev$1@nntp.gulfsouth.verio.net> Organization: AOL http://www.aol.com X-Newsreader: AOL Offline Reader Message-ID: <19981218010555.11318.00001591@ngol07.aol.com> Path: chonsp.franklin.ch!pfaff.ethz.ch!news-zh.switch.ch!newsfeed-zh.ip-plus.net!news-nyc.telia.net!newsfeed.cwix.com!4.1.16.34!cpk-news-hub1.bbnplanet.com!news.gtei.net!portc02.blue.aol.com!audrey03.news.aol.com!not-for-mail for the record: THOUGHT is the ONLY thing which can travel FASTER than the speed of light (as far as is presently known). as your THOUGHTS pick up speed, time slows down. when your thoughts are AT the speed of light, time stops, and when your thoughts are FASTER than the speed of light, time runs backwards. If you read about that gal in Fort Wayne I was in the car with ... let me tell you about another incident: I was inside her living room, with her grandmother there, her parents, sister, her sister's fiance, herself, myself... and things were running BACKWARDS for brief blips of time, during which I had to stop and relax, and let time unwind and run forwards again in order to understand what I'd just seen and heard. Note: this was NOT during a dream! it was while I was WIDE AWAKE! Note: I'd had VERY little sleep for the last two days, and had made a GRUELING drive to Fort Wayne on icy interstate roads, snow covered roads, wet and slick roads, AT NIGHT, from Nashville (450 miles). Note: I was PHYSICALLY exhausted, but not totally aware of it, because the heart beats while driving were slowed as during meditation. Probably mentally exhausted as well, but unaware of it because I was with that SEXY blonde babe! :-) (Her name was Theresa B.) What a TRIP I had that weekend! It was 1984, if I'm unmistaken... Dick Silk, The Computer Tutor www.citysearch.com/nas/computertutor SilkDick@aol.com pager #615-923-1696 ###### From: silkdick@aol.com (Silk Dick) Newsgroups: alt.out-of-body Subject: Re: Pause the moment? Lines: 16 NNTP-Posting-Host: ladder03.news.aol.com X-Admin: news@aol.com Date: 18 Dec 1998 06:05:56 GMT References: <75c8sp$ifq@dfw-ixnews9.ix.netcom.com> Organization: AOL http://www.aol.com X-Newsreader: AOL Offline Reader Message-ID: <19981218010556.11318.00001592@ngol07.aol.com> Path: chonsp.franklin.ch!pfaff.ethz.ch!news-zh.switch.ch!news-ge.switch.ch!news.maxwell.syr.edu!cpk-news-hub1.bbnplanet.com!news.gtei.net!portc02.blue.aol.com!audrey03.news.aol.com!not-for-mail In article <75c8sp$ifq@dfw-ixnews9.ix.netcom.com>, "Bart" writes: > >That's an awful lot of thinking taking place in a two or three second >period. > probably far less time than that, even! ;-) Dick Silk, The Computer Tutor www.citysearch.com/nas/computertutor SilkDick@aol.com pager #615-923-1696 ###### From: silkdick@aol.com (Silk Dick) Newsgroups: alt.out-of-body Subject: Re: Pause the moment? Lines: 49 NNTP-Posting-Host: ladder03.news.aol.com X-Admin: news@aol.com Date: 18 Dec 1998 06:05:58 GMT References: <3679924C.AB3@geocities.com> Organization: AOL http://www.aol.com X-Newsreader: AOL Offline Reader Message-ID: <19981218010558.11318.00001593@ngol07.aol.com> Path: chonsp.franklin.ch!pfaff.ethz.ch!news-zh.switch.ch!newsfeed-zh.ip-plus.net!news-nyc.telia.net!newsfeed.cwix.com!4.1.16.34!cpk-news-hub1.bbnplanet.com!news.gtei.net!portc02.blue.aol.com!audrey03.news.aol.com!not-for-mail In article <3679924C.AB3@geocities.com>, Life-Saver writes: >[Anybody] seen the new StarTrek movie? yes. thank god I only paid matinee price. as a trek film, it was basically just a long TV episode. it must have been made with a shoe-string budget. >The people of a small planet there are a civilisation that reject >science, and they have ... well at least ONE psychic power :)))) >they are able to pause a moment in life to feel it entirely >(like living a cool moment in slow motion) I wonder if such a thing is >possible... *** excuse me! *** the ONLY person to show that power was Picard's leading lady / love interest. And what you have inferred was a power of EVERYONE simply isn't true, or they'd ALL have used the power to avoid being tagged by the teleporters. Only she did it, and only when she was in loving contact with her leading male / love interest Picard. Love is what makes a moment last forever... can things like that happen in real life? yes. I was with a lovely and spiritually powerful young lady once, trying to make a major turning point decision in my life. She was driving, doing around 50 mph on a road in Fort Wayne, Indiana, on a snowy day (the road was mostly clear). She asked me: "Where do you want to go?" Time stopped / stood still... I looked out the window, we weren't moving. I looked at her spedometer: 50 mph. Tachometer, around 3000 rpms or so. Not a MOLECULE was going ANYWHERE until I came up with an answer. Avoiding the deepest meaning of her question, I answered: "I want to go see my aunt and uncle." Even as I began to utter the first word of that sentence "I"... the car began to take on speed, the people outdoors (and the scenery) began moving, and time was once again in motion. It was certainly one of the most memorable moments of my life! Dick Silk, The Computer Tutor www.citysearch.com/nas/computertutor SilkDick@aol.com pager #615-923-1696 ###### From: "Jason Palmer" Newsgroups: alt.out-of-body References: <3679924C.AB3@geocities.com> Subject: Re: Pause the moment? Lines: 8 X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.2106.4 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.2106.4 Message-ID: Date: Fri, 18 Dec 1998 08:13:12 GMT NNTP-Posting-Host: 166.55.57.236 X-Complaints-To: news@cw.net X-Trace: news.cwix.com 913968792 166.55.57.236 (Fri, 18 Dec 1998 03:13:12 EDT) NNTP-Posting-Date: Fri, 18 Dec 1998 03:13:12 EDT Path: chonsp.franklin.ch!pfaff.ethz.ch!news-zh.switch.ch!newsfeed-zh.ip-plus.net!news-nyc.telia.net!newsfeed.cwix.com!204.71.0.48!spamkiller1.cwix.com!news.cwix.com!not-for-mail It's been a year since I had a stroke when I was 18. It was caused by a brain tumor and I had brain surgery to get it out. When I went home, I realized that time has been distorted for me. Time is like a record player with somebody pushing their thumb down on it. Not only does time seem slower, but the music I listen to plays at a lower pitch then it used to. This might be because of my seizure medicine, but I'm not sure. ###### From: "Lone Wolf" Newsgroups: alt.out-of-body Subject: Re: Pause the moment? Date: 18 Dec 1998 10:03:05 GMT Organization: Customer of OzEmail/Access One Pty Ltd, Melbourne, Australia Lines: 15 Message-ID: <01be2a6f$8492c420$LocalHost@newdmaxa> References: <3679924C.AB3@geocities.com> <75c8sp$ifq@dfw-ixnews9.ix.netcom.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: d98-1.cpe.ingham.aone.net.au X-Trace: news.mel.aone.net.au 913975385 947 203.61.34.98 (18 Dec 1998 10:03:05 GMT) NNTP-Posting-Date: 18 Dec 1998 10:03:05 GMT X-Newsreader: Microsoft Internet News 4.70.1162 Path: chonsp.franklin.ch!pfaff.ethz.ch!news-zh.switch.ch!newsfeed-zh.ip-plus.net!news-nyc.telia.net!feeder.qis.net!news.maxwell.syr.edu!news.mel.connect.com.au!news.mel.aone.net.au!newsfeed-in.aone.net.au!not-for-mail Bart wrote in article <75c8sp$ifq@dfw-ixnews9.ix.netcom.com>... > That's an awful lot of thinking taking place in a two or three second > period. Any idea about how this happens? Maybe fear triggers it? I know that whenever I see an accident about to happen to me, time seems to slow down, or more accurately, my mind speeds up. Unfortunately, my body does not move as fast as my mind. :-) From Wolfy ###### From: silkdick@aol.com (Silk Dick) Newsgroups: alt.out-of-body Subject: Re: Pause the moment? Lines: 16 NNTP-Posting-Host: ladder03.news.aol.com X-Admin: news@aol.com Date: 18 Dec 1998 12:33:40 GMT References: Organization: AOL http://www.aol.com X-Newsreader: AOL Offline Reader Message-ID: <19981218073340.14552.00001794@ngol02.aol.com> Path: chonsp.franklin.ch!pfaff.ethz.ch!news-zh.switch.ch!news.belnet.be!newsgate.cistron.nl!het.net!212.63.192.161.MISMATCH!newshub.bart.net!news.tele2.nl!newsfeed1.swip.net!swipnet!news.maxwell.syr.edu!newsfeed.wli.net!portc04.blue.aol.com!audrey03.news.aol.com!not-for-mail In article , "Jason Palmer" writes: > the music I listen to plays at a lower pitch then it used to. >This might be because of my seizure medicine, but I'm not sure. > OR... the electric company MIGHT have reduced the amperage across their 220's in your neighborhood... (more homes being built, etc...) Dick Silk, The Computer Tutor www.citysearch.com/nas/computertutor SilkDick@aol.com pager #615-923-1696 ###### From: silkdick@aol.com (Silk Dick) Newsgroups: alt.out-of-body Subject: Re: Pause the moment? Lines: 27 NNTP-Posting-Host: ladder01.news.aol.com X-Admin: news@aol.com Date: 18 Dec 1998 12:33:41 GMT References: <367A01E2.C64AD62E@earthlink.nXXXet> Organization: AOL http://www.aol.com X-Newsreader: AOL Offline Reader Message-ID: <19981218073341.14552.00001795@ngol02.aol.com> Path: chonsp.franklin.ch!pfaff.ethz.ch!news-zh.switch.ch!newsfeed-zh.ip-plus.net!news-nyc.telia.net!howland.erols.net!portc02.blue.aol.com!audrey01.news.aol.com!not-for-mail In article <367A01E2.C64AD62E@earthlink.nXXXet>, chester basshead writes: > Hi Dick! I have enjoyed your humorous posts. hee hee. Glad to have >you back, even though I wasn't around when you left. :) man, this is weird! :-) everyone is telling me how much they like my humor, when all I'm TRYING to be is an honest asshole! >A fair lady once said to me, in a bout of quantum craziness, 'you know.... >time is really only the anticipation of an event' then maybe 'meaning' is the >relationship between events. that's all. it's easy, and no neutrino needed >to boot! I've heard that philosophy somewhere in my past and forgotten it (or perhaps it was dejavous of now?)... so thank you for reminding me! (or fulfilling the prophecy?) "meaning" being the relationship between events... ! I LIKE that! :-) Dick Silk, The Computer Tutor www.citysearch.com/nas/computertutor SilkDick@aol.com pager #615-923-1696 ###### Message-ID: <367AF63F.65B5@geocities.com> From: Life-Saver Reply-To: life-saver@geocities.com Organization: none X-Mailer: Mozilla 3.01Gold (Win95; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 Newsgroups: alt.out-of-body Subject: Re: Pause the moment? References: <3679924C.AB3@geocities.com> <19981218010558.11318.00001593@ngol07.aol.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Lines: 61 Date: Sat, 19 Dec 1998 00:42:52 GMT NNTP-Posting-Host: 206.172.247.180 NNTP-Posting-Date: Fri, 18 Dec 1998 19:42:52 EDT Path: chonsp.franklin.ch!pfaff.ethz.ch!news-zh.switch.ch!news-ge.switch.ch!news.maxwell.syr.edu!newspeer.monmouth.com!news3.bellglobal.com!news1.bellglobal.com!198.235.216.4.POSTED!not-for-mail > >The people of a small planet there are a civilisation that reject > >science, and they have ... well at least ONE psychic power :)))) > >they are able to pause a moment in life to feel it entirely > >(like living a cool moment in slow motion) I wonder if such a thing is > >possible... > > *** excuse me! *** the ONLY person to show that power was Picard's leading lady > / love interest. And what you have inferred was a power of EVERYONE simply > isn't true, or they'd ALL have used the power to avoid being tagged by the > teleporters. > Excuuuuuuuuse Me! ;) but I wasn't asking for details! I was just asking about this moment thing using startrek as an example. but comming to think of it... what if every body on this planet had that power, but they had to love the moment to make it seem longer... being trapped under two tons of rock with your lover begging you to stay alive could be one of those romantic moments, but being chased by little teleporter bugs, while running in panic isn't. its like if you were gonna have an accident, would you start to induce an OBE to get out before hitting the wall and feeling the pain? (putting aside the fact that you could have a spontaneous OBE at the exact moment of the shock) coud you find enough peace in yourself at that precise moment, in about half a second? I don't think so. anyway... I seem to have experienced an easy way to try slowing time down... just take a clock that goes "tik tik tik" and picture the "tiks" getting slower and slower... I often though that my old clock was gonna end his battery life soon because I could hear the "tiks" slowing down... but just when I though "no they must be at the same speed.. I'm just thinking nonsense" they would come back to the normal ticking rate. > I looked at her spedometer: 50 mph. Tachometer, around 3000 rpms or so. > Not a MOLECULE was going ANYWHERE until I came up with an answer. > Avoiding the deepest meaning of her question, I answered: "I want to go see my > aunt and uncle." Even as I began to utter the first word of that sentence > "I"... the car began to take on speed, the people outdoors (and the scenery) > began moving, and time was once again in motion. > It was certainly one of the most memorable moments of my life! I am missing similar things in my life... I just experienced a paradox once in highschool... I was getting ready to go in the bus when I crossed my bus-pal (sitting always with me) he was just getting to his locker to get his stuff, and I was going to the bus... every student knew about a shotcut through the school that made us exit at another door, closer to the busses, I took that short cut, and got straight to the bus. when I steped in, he was already sitting in the bench, waiting for me... he asked where I had been, and I replyed "I came straight here... how come your were here first?" he said: "I don't know! I packed my stuff, and took my time going to the bus, taking the shortcut." we both walked, never saw each other on the way, (in fact, I was walking faster the the average people, and noone actually passed me) I never understood what really happened that day, and him neither. That's the day I learned what a paradox was. :) Cya! Life-Saver life-saver@geocities.com http://www.geocities.com/area51/lair/5498 ###### From: silkdick@aol.com (Silk Dick) Newsgroups: alt.out-of-body Subject: Re: Pause the moment? Lines: 15 NNTP-Posting-Host: ladder03.news.aol.com X-Admin: news@aol.com Date: 19 Dec 1998 11:40:08 GMT References: <367AF63F.65B5@geocities.com> Organization: AOL http://www.aol.com X-Newsreader: AOL Offline Reader Message-ID: <19981219064008.07736.00001642@ngol08.aol.com> Path: chonsp.franklin.ch!pfaff.ethz.ch!news-zh.switch.ch!news.belnet.be!newsgate.cistron.nl!het.net!news.tele2.nl!newsfeed1.swip.net!swipnet!news.maxwell.syr.edu!newsfeed.cwix.com!205.252.116.205!howland.erols.net!portc02.blue.aol.com!audrey03.news.aol.com!not-for-mail In article <367AF63F.65B5@geocities.com>, Life-Saver writes: >That's the day I learned what a paradox was. :) > then again, he *could* have been lying, just to "mess with your head".... Dick Silk, The Computer Tutor www.citysearch.com/nas/computertutor SilkDick@aol.com pager #615-923-1696 ###### Message-ID: <367C1A25.7200@geocities.com> From: Life-Saver Reply-To: life-saver@geocities.com Organization: none X-Mailer: Mozilla 3.01Gold (Win95; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 Newsgroups: alt.out-of-body Subject: Re: Pause the moment? References: <367AF63F.65B5@geocities.com> <19981219064008.07736.00001642@ngol08.aol.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Lines: 17 Date: Sat, 19 Dec 1998 16:27:01 -0500 NNTP-Posting-Host: 206.172.247.156 X-Trace: news20.bellglobal.com 914102944 206.172.247.156 (Sat, 19 Dec 1998 16:29:04 EDT) NNTP-Posting-Date: Sat, 19 Dec 1998 16:29:04 EDT Path: chonsp.franklin.ch!pfaff.ethz.ch!news-zh.switch.ch!news-ge.switch.ch!news.maxwell.syr.edu!newsfeed.cwix.com!206.172.150.11!news1.bellglobal.com!news20.bellglobal.com.POSTED!not-for-mail Silk Dick wrote: > > In article <367AF63F.65B5@geocities.com>, Life-Saver > writes: > > >That's the day I learned what a paradox was. :) > > > > then again, he *could* have been lying, just to "mess with your head".... no.. I think not! paranoia is a bad thing! i will not rush into that! :) -- Life-Saver life-saver@geocities.com http://www.geocities.com/area51/lair/5498 ###### Message-ID: <367CCE4C.AF10134F@the.end.of.the.message> Date: Sun, 20 Dec 1998 21:15:40 +1100 From: Craig Organization: Deja Vous X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.05 [en] (Win95; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 Newsgroups: alt.out-of-body Subject: Re: Pause the moment? References: <3679924C.AB3@geocities.com> <75c8sp$ifq@dfw-ixnews9.ix.netcom.com> <01be2a6f$8492c420$LocalHost@newdmaxa> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit NNTP-Posting-Host: 203.18.28.26 X-Trace: 20 Dec 1998 22:23:59 +1000, 203.18.28.26 Lines: 35 Path: chonsp.franklin.ch!pfaff.ethz.ch!news-zh.switch.ch!newsfeed-zh.ip-plus.net!news-nyc.telia.net!news-feed1.eu.concert.net!btnet-peer!btnet!news-lond.gip.net!news.gsl.net!gip.net!nntp.news.xara.net!xara.net!rill.news.pipex.net!pipex!ams.news.uu.net!uunet!in5.uu.net!nap-ns1!203.18.28.26 Lone Wolf wrote: > > Bart wrote in article > <75c8sp$ifq@dfw-ixnews9.ix.netcom.com>... > > > That's an awful lot of thinking taking place in a two or three second > > period. > > Any idea about how this happens? Maybe fear triggers it? I know that > whenever I see an accident about to happen to me, time seems to slow down, > or more accurately, my mind speeds up. Unfortunately, my body does not move > as fast as my mind. :-) Maybe it's not so much that time slows down, but more the fact that we know something, either wonderful or woeful, is about to happen and our mind goes into hyper drive, on auto pilot, trying to cram in as much information as it can in a really short amount of time (sort of a survival reflex) and it's when we ponder what has happened later on, we play back all out thoughts and the imagery that went with them, only to find that the imagery is so slow compared to the amount of thinking that was going on at the time. Or maybe I just think too much sometimes. ;-) Craig -- The sure way to make a thing impossible- -is to think it so. --- Franklin To respond, delete _nospam_ scrappy@_nospam_netconnect.com.au -- ###### Path: chonsp.franklin.ch!usenet From: Neil Franklin Newsgroups: alt.out-of-body Subject: Re: Pause the moment? Date: 20 Dec 1998 20:40:00 +0100 Organization: My own Private Self Lines: 26 Sender: neil@chonsp.franklin.ch Message-ID: References: <3679924C.AB3@geocities.com> <75c8sp$ifq@dfw-ixnews9.ix.netcom.com> <01be2a6f$8492c420$LocalHost@newdmaxa> <367CCE4C.AF10134F@the.end.of.the.message> X-Newsreader: Gnus v5.3/Emacs 19.34 Craig writes: > > Lone Wolf wrote: > > > > whenever I see an accident about to happen to me, time seems to slow down, > > or more accurately, my mind speeds up. Unfortunately, my body does not move > > as fast as my mind. :-) > > Maybe it's not so much that time slows down, but more the fact that we > know something, either wonderful or woeful, is about to happen and our > mind goes into hyper drive, on auto pilot, trying to cram in as much Or third hypothesis: Our feeling of time in past/memorized events is based on how many things got stored in memory. Simply being strongly alerted by the accident would increase events noticed and memorised. So then after when looking back the unusual amount of memory makes us think that time was slower or our minds faster. -- Neil Franklin, Nerd, Geek, Unix Guru, Hacker, Mystic neil@franklin.ch.remove http://neil.franklin.ch/ "No, it was a JOKE! You can't RUN this!" Ken Thompson ###### From: "Lone Wolf" Newsgroups: alt.out-of-body Subject: Re: Pause the moment? Date: 21 Dec 1998 04:57:45 GMT Organization: Customer of OzEmail/Access One Pty Ltd, Melbourne, Australia Lines: 29 Message-ID: <01be2c8b$0116cba0$LocalHost@newdmaxa> References: <3679924C.AB3@geocities.com> <75c8sp$ifq@dfw-ixnews9.ix.netcom.com> <01be2a6f$8492c420$LocalHost@newdmaxa> <367CCE4C.AF10134F@the.end.of.the.message> NNTP-Posting-Host: d87-1.cpe.ingham.aone.net.au X-Trace: news.mel.aone.net.au 914216265 25889 203.61.34.87 (21 Dec 1998 04:57:45 GMT) NNTP-Posting-Date: 21 Dec 1998 04:57:45 GMT X-Newsreader: Microsoft Internet News 4.70.1162 Path: chonsp.franklin.ch!pfaff.ethz.ch!news-zh.switch.ch!news-ge.switch.ch!news.maxwell.syr.edu!news.mel.connect.com.au!news.mel.aone.net.au!newsfeed-in.aone.net.au!not-for-mail Craig wrote in article <367CCE4C.AF10134F@the.end.of.the.message>... > Lone Wolf wrote: > > > > Bart wrote in article > > <75c8sp$ifq@dfw-ixnews9.ix.netcom.com>... > Maybe it's not so much that time slows down, but more the fact that we > know something, either wonderful or woeful, is about to happen and our > mind goes into hyper drive, on auto pilot, trying to cram in as much > information as it can in a really short amount of time (sort of a > survival reflex) Now to find out what makes this happen. If we could figure out what feelings and such are needed to send your mind into "hyper drive", then we might be able to recreate this state of mind at will. I would not mind being able to think a bit faster. :-) Of course, you don't want to fry your brain. I wonder if I can get a job researching different states of mind? :-) > Or maybe I just think too much sometimes. ;-) You can never think too much, only not enough. From Wolfy ###### Message-ID: <367EABAE.32E12CD5@the.end.of.the.message> Date: Tue, 22 Dec 1998 07:12:30 +1100 From: Craig Organization: Deja Vous X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.05 [en] (Win95; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 Newsgroups: alt.out-of-body Subject: Re: Pause the moment? References: <3679924C.AB3@geocities.com> <75c8sp$ifq@dfw-ixnews9.ix.netcom.com> <01be2a6f$8492c420$LocalHost@newdmaxa> <367CCE4C.AF10134F@the.end.of.the.message> <01be2c8b$0116cba0$LocalHost@newdmaxa> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit NNTP-Posting-Host: 203.18.28.3 X-Trace: 22 Dec 1998 07:33:16 +1000, 203.18.28.3 Lines: 47 Path: chonsp.franklin.ch!pfaff.ethz.ch!news-zh.switch.ch!news-ge.switch.ch!isdnet!uu.fr!join.news.pipex.net!pipex!rill.news.pipex.net!pipex!ams.news.uu.net!uunet!in5.uu.net!nap-ns1!203.18.28.3 Lone Wolf wrote: > > Craig wrote in article > > > Maybe it's not so much that time slows down, but more the fact that we > > know something, either wonderful or woeful, is about to happen and our > > mind goes into hyper drive, on auto pilot, trying to cram in as much > > information as it can in a really short amount of time (sort of a > > survival reflex) > > Now to find out what makes this happen. If we could figure out what > feelings and such are needed to send your mind into "hyper drive", then we > might be able to recreate this state of mind at will. I would not mind > being able to think a bit faster. :-) I have a feeling we sort of do this sometimes as we sleep. You know, dreams that take days to unfold, when in reality they are mealy hours or less. That's a lot of information in a short time. Maybe it's the same when we get OOB. We can sometimes, somehow control how much thinking we do in a certain amount of time, therefore making the experience seem longer than takes place going on time as we know it in the physical. Now, to put that to good use while we are OOB. Hey, we already do that don't we? :-) > Of course, you don't want to fry your brain. I wonder if I can get a job > researching different states of mind? :-) Anything is possible if you put your mind to it Wolfy. :-) > > Or maybe I just think too much sometimes. ;-) > > You can never think too much, only not enough. Too true, too true. :-) All the best Craig -- The sure way to make a thing impossible- -is to think it so. --- Franklin To respond, delete _nospam_ scrappy@_nospam_netconnect.com.au -- ###### From: "Bart" Newsgroups: alt.out-of-body Subject: Re: Pause the moment? Date: Sun, 20 Dec 1998 11:57:12 -0500 Organization: ICGNetcom Lines: 55 Message-ID: <75javj$8ia@sjx-ixn9.ix.netcom.com> References: <3679924C.AB3@geocities.com> <75c8sp$ifq@dfw-ixnews9.ix.netcom.com> <01be2a6f$8492c420$LocalHost@newdmaxa> <367CCE4C.AF10134F@the.end.of.the.message> NNTP-Posting-Host: clv-oh42-41.ix.netcom.com X-NETCOM-Date: Sun Dec 20 9:09:07 AM PST 1998 X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.3110.1 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.3110.3 Path: chonsp.franklin.ch!pfaff.ethz.ch!news-zh.switch.ch!newsfeed-zh.ip-plus.net!news-nyc.telia.net!howland.erols.net!ix.netcom.com!news Craig wrote in message <367CCE4C.AF10134F@the.end.of.the.message>... >Lone Wolf wrote: >> >> Bart wrote in article >> <75c8sp$ifq@dfw-ixnews9.ix.netcom.com>... >> >> > That's an awful lot of thinking taking place in a two or three second >> > period. >> >> Any idea about how this happens? Maybe fear triggers it? I know that >> whenever I see an accident about to happen to me, time seems to slow down, >> or more accurately, my mind speeds up. Unfortunately, my body does not move >> as fast as my mind. :-) > >Maybe it's not so much that time slows down, but more the fact that we >know something, either wonderful or woeful, is about to happen and our >mind goes into hyper drive, on auto pilot, trying to cram in as much >information as it can in a really short amount of time (sort of a >survival reflex) and it's when we ponder what has happened later on, we >play back all out thoughts and the imagery that went with them, only to >find that the imagery is so slow compared to the amount of thinking that >was going on at the time. > >Or maybe I just think too much sometimes. ;-) Here's a little theory I've been fooling around with lately. As I think of when things have happened in slow motion (or in your account, freeze-frame) for most people, it is because the person starts thinking on several levels at the same time - in essence, thinking many different things at the same time - it may, on occasion, cause one to feel that they've had some form of mystical experience due to the expanded effect. It is not a mystical thing - only something we rarely do because thinking about several things at the same time is not usually necessary. I honestly think there is a link here to the mystics I've been studying. A meeting with Pio was often described as though he gave his complete attention to every single individual even though there could be numerous people in the room with various interests. In some cases, people felt they had a totally personal conversation with him even when he was witnessed to have spoken to nobody on an individual basis during the meeting of several. A number of people have commented on how short a time registered on their watches when they felt that the time with Pio seemed much longer. Maybe this is the key to time travel and many other things - that of being able to think of several things at the same time. Bart ###### From: "Bart" Newsgroups: alt.out-of-body Subject: Re: Pause the moment? Date: Tue, 22 Dec 1998 23:50:03 -0500 Organization: ICGNetcom Lines: 84 Message-ID: <75ptgt$qe5@sjx-ixn10.ix.netcom.com> References: <3679924C.AB3@geocities.com> <75c8sp$ifq@dfw-ixnews9.ix.netcom.com> <01be2a6f$8492c420$LocalHost@newdmaxa> <367CCE4C.AF10134F@the.end.of.the.message> <75javj$8ia@sjx-ixn9.ix.netcom.com> <367FFA78.F6C2DE3@the.end.of.the.message> NNTP-Posting-Host: clv-oh40-25.ix.netcom.com X-NETCOM-Date: Tue Dec 22 9:02:21 PM PST 1998 X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.3110.1 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.3110.3 Path: chonsp.franklin.ch!pfaff.ethz.ch!news-zh.switch.ch!newsfeed-zh.ip-plus.net!news-nyc.telia.net!news.idt.net!ix.netcom.com!news Craig wrote in message <367FFA78.F6C2DE3@the.end.of.the.message>... >Bart wrote: >> Here's a little theory I've been fooling around with lately. As I think of >> when things have happened in slow motion (or in your >> account, freeze-frame) for most people, it is because the person starts >> thinking on several levels at the same time - in essence, thinking many >> different things at the same time - it may, on occasion, cause one to feel >> that they've had some form of mystical experience due to the expanded >> effect. It is not a mystical thing - only something we rarely do because >> thinking about several things at the same time is not usually necessary. > >Yes, I see exactly what you are saying Bart. I wonder if we sort of slip >into a slower time frame the faster or the more we think. Interesting. >Boy, is that why, for me anyway, the years seem to slip past so quickly >the older I get? LOL. > >> I honestly think there is a link here to the mystics I've been studying. A >> meeting with Pio was often described as though he gave his complete >> attention to every single individual even though there could be numerous >> people in the room with various interests. In some cases, people felt they >> had a totally personal conversation with him even when he was witnessed to >> have spoken to nobody on an individual basis during the meeting of several. >> A number of people have commented on how short a time registered on their >> watches when they felt that the time with Pio seemed much longer. > >Hmmm, that would suggest that he either made people think alot or that >somehow he could cause time to seem slower for those who were around >him. What I'm actually getting at is that I am beginning to suspect that we are capable of thinking on several different levels at the same time. When we recall, it seems like it happened sequentially - but it didn't actually happen that way - all the thoughts happened at the same time. NDEs are often described as happening all in an instant - but when the experience is related, it is portrayed in a sequential manner. We simply move beyond time - consciously. >Maybe I should get of my A*** and have a look at some stuff about >him. :-) I have yet to find anything really good about him on the net. Your best bet is to find a book about him - it will probably carry some good information on other mystics as well. >> Maybe this is the key to time travel and many other things - that of being >> able to think of several things at the same time. > >Maybe not time 'travel' as in past or future, IMO, Except for the fact that Pio was very accurate in predicting future events in the lives of many people... >but what a way to be >able to study for tests etc. THOU SHALT NOT CHEAT ;-) But, to be sure - I've heard a number of stories related where a very worried student prayed with great sincerity and later dreamed of the test with all the answers filled in. >Being able to slow time a little by >cramming more thought into the time frame, hmmmm, that makes me wonder >how the memory would handle several things at the one time. Remember? Holographic universe? The memory does just fine - it is the ability to access it that is the problem. Bart ###### Message-ID: <367FFA78.F6C2DE3@the.end.of.the.message> Date: Wed, 23 Dec 1998 07:00:56 +1100 From: Craig Organization: Deja Vous X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.05 [en] (Win95; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 Newsgroups: alt.out-of-body Subject: Re: Pause the moment? References: <3679924C.AB3@geocities.com> <75c8sp$ifq@dfw-ixnews9.ix.netcom.com> <01be2a6f$8492c420$LocalHost@newdmaxa> <367CCE4C.AF10134F@the.end.of.the.message> <75javj$8ia@sjx-ixn9.ix.netcom.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit NNTP-Posting-Host: 203.18.28.28 X-Trace: 23 Dec 1998 06:58:09 +1000, 203.18.28.28 Lines: 79 Path: chonsp.franklin.ch!pfaff.ethz.ch!news-zh.switch.ch!newsfeed-zh.ip-plus.net!news-nyc.telia.net!newspump.monmouth.com!newspeer.monmouth.com!rill.news.pipex.net!pipex!ams.news.uu.net!uunet!in5.uu.net!nap-ns1!203.18.28.28 Bart wrote: > > Craig wrote in message <367CCE4C.AF10134F@the.end.of.the.message>... > >Lone Wolf wrote: > >> > >> Bart wrote in article > >> <75c8sp$ifq@dfw-ixnews9.ix.netcom.com>... > >> > >> > That's an awful lot of thinking taking place in a two or three second > >> > period. > >> > >> Any idea about how this happens? Maybe fear triggers it? I know that > >> whenever I see an accident about to happen to me, time seems to slow > down, > >> or more accurately, my mind speeds up. Unfortunately, my body does not > move > >> as fast as my mind. :-) > > > >Maybe it's not so much that time slows down, but more the fact that we > >know something, either wonderful or woeful, is about to happen and our > >mind goes into hyper drive, on auto pilot, trying to cram in as much > >information as it can in a really short amount of time (sort of a > >survival reflex) and it's when we ponder what has happened later on, we > >play back all out thoughts and the imagery that went with them, only to > >find that the imagery is so slow compared to the amount of thinking that > >was going on at the time. > > > >Or maybe I just think too much sometimes. ;-) > Here's a little theory I've been fooling around with lately. As I think of > when things have happened in slow motion (or in your > account, freeze-frame) for most people, it is because the person starts > thinking on several levels at the same time - in essence, thinking many > different things at the same time - it may, on occasion, cause one to feel > that they've had some form of mystical experience due to the expanded > effect. It is not a mystical thing - only something we rarely do because > thinking about several things at the same time is not usually necessary. Yes, I see exactly what you are saying Bart. I wonder if we sort of slip into a slower time frame the faster or the more we think. Interesting. Boy, is that why, for me anyway, the years seem to slip past so quickly the older I get? LOL. > I honestly think there is a link here to the mystics I've been studying. A > meeting with Pio was often described as though he gave his complete > attention to every single individual even though there could be numerous > people in the room with various interests. In some cases, people felt they > had a totally personal conversation with him even when he was witnessed to > have spoken to nobody on an individual basis during the meeting of several. > A number of people have commented on how short a time registered on their > watches when they felt that the time with Pio seemed much longer. Hmmm, that would suggest that he either made people think alot or that somehow he could cause time to seem slower for those who were around him. Maybe I should get of my A*** and have a look at some stuff about him. :-) > Maybe this is the key to time travel and many other things - that of being > able to think of several things at the same time. Maybe not time 'travel' as in past or future, IMO, but what a way to be able to study for tests etc. Being able to slow time a little by cramming more thought into the time frame, hmmmm, that makes me wonder how the memory would handle several things at the one time. I s'pose if we can remember all the things we were thinking just before losing control of the car (for example) then the subconscious must be able to handle the extra data at the increased rate. All the best Craig -- The sure way to make a thing impossible- -is to think it so. --- Franklin To respond, delete _nospam_ scrappy@_nospam_netconnect.com.au -- ###### From: "Lone Wolf" Newsgroups: alt.out-of-body Subject: Re: Pause the moment? Date: 23 Dec 1998 09:40:37 GMT Organization: Customer of OzEmail/Access One Pty Ltd, Melbourne, Australia Lines: 23 Message-ID: <01be2e52$847049e0$LocalHost@newdmaxa> References: <3679924C.AB3@geocities.com> <75c8sp$ifq@dfw-ixnews9.ix.netcom.com> <01be2a6f$8492c420$LocalHost@newdmaxa> <367CCE4C.AF10134F@the.end.of.the.message> <75javj$8ia@sjx-ixn9.ix.netcom.com> <367FFA78.F6C2DE3@the.end.of.the.message> <75ptgt$qe5@sjx-ixn10.ix.netcom.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: d99-1.cpe.ingham.aone.net.au X-Trace: news.mel.aone.net.au 914406037 547 203.61.34.99 (23 Dec 1998 09:40:37 GMT) NNTP-Posting-Date: 23 Dec 1998 09:40:37 GMT X-Newsreader: Microsoft Internet News 4.70.1162 Path: chonsp.franklin.ch!pfaff.ethz.ch!news-zh.switch.ch!news-ge.switch.ch!news.maxwell.syr.edu!news.mel.connect.com.au!news.mel.aone.net.au!newsfeed-in.aone.net.au!not-for-mail Bart wrote in article <75ptgt$qe5@sjx-ixn10.ix.netcom.com>... > What I'm actually getting at is that I am beginning to suspect that we are > capable of thinking on several different levels at the same time. When we > recall, it seems like it happened sequentially - but it didn't actually > happen that way - all the thoughts happened at the same time. Yes, I believe this to be true. Once, the chair I was sitting on suddenly gave way (no I'm not fat, only 56 Kg). My friend then asked me what went through my mind at that particular time. I recalled thinking several thoughts, but they all seem to have happened at the same time, I did not remember them occurring in an order. Of course, they might have occurred one after the other at an extremely fast pace, but I doubt it. From Wolfy ###### Message-ID: <36813FF9.26E4D4A1@the.end.of.the.message> Date: Thu, 24 Dec 1998 06:09:45 +1100 From: Craig Organization: Deja Vous X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.05 [en] (Win95; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 Newsgroups: alt.out-of-body Subject: Re: Pause the moment? References: <3679924C.AB3@geocities.com> <75c8sp$ifq@dfw-ixnews9.ix.netcom.com> <01be2a6f$8492c420$LocalHost@newdmaxa> <367CCE4C.AF10134F@the.end.of.the.message> <75javj$8ia@sjx-ixn9.ix.netcom.com> <367FFA78.F6C2DE3@the.end.of.the.message> <75ptgt$qe5@sjx-ixn10.ix.netcom.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit NNTP-Posting-Host: 203.18.28.9 X-Trace: 24 Dec 1998 06:13:04 +1000, 203.18.28.9 Lines: 49 Path: chonsp.franklin.ch!pfaff.ethz.ch!news-zh.switch.ch!news-ge.switch.ch!news-fra1.dfn.de!colt.net!news-lond.gip.net!news.gsl.net!gip.net!rill.news.pipex.net!pipex!ams.news.uu.net!uunet!in3.uu.net!nap-ns1!203.18.28.9 Bart wrote: > What I'm actually getting at is that I am beginning to suspect that we are > capable of thinking on several different levels at the same time. When we > recall, it seems like it happened sequentially - but it didn't actually > happen that way - all the thoughts happened at the same time. NDEs are > often described as happening all in an instant - but when the experience is > related, it is portrayed in a sequential manner. Just a thought Bart. Do you think we ever have purely subconscious thoughts that never reach our conscious minds at all? I was just thinking about how many different levels of thought we may be capable of having at the same time. My guess is that there is a lot of low level thought, or memory processing going on that we wouldn't even be aware of, that gets triggered at different times when the need for recall is there. Sort of getting right down to the animal instinct inside of all of us I s'pose. I guess if we trigger actual thoughts that happen spontaneously, then recall those same thoughts at a more conscious level, we would tend to think of them as being sequential wouldn't we. (?) Sort of thinking in the physical again. > I have yet to find anything really good about him on the net. Your best bet > is to find a book about him - it will probably carry some good information > on other mystics as well. I'll keep my eyes open, but where I live, pretty rural, there isn't much about anything. ;-) > THOU SHALT NOT CHEAT ;-) > But, to be sure - I've heard a number of stories related where a very > worried student prayed with great sincerity and later dreamed of the test > with all the answers filled in. > Yes, that could also be taken as deep communication on a subconscious level. It depends on you own belief system I s'pose. :-) The info must be in there somewhere, just a matter of being to recall it. :-) All the best Craig -- The sure way to make a thing impossible- -is to think it so. --- Franklin To respond, delete _nospam_ scrappy@_nospam_netconnect.com.au --