Message-ID: <3662A3D2.1CB81EBD@netparadise.no> Date: Mon, 30 Nov 1998 14:55:31 +0100 From: Lars Foleide X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.5 [en] (Win95; I) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 Newsgroups: alt.out-of-body Subject: A letter... Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit NNTP-Posting-Host: t1o204p58.telia.com X-NNTP-Posting-Host: t1o204p58.telia.com Lines: 241 X-Complaints-To: abuse@telia.no Path: chonsp.franklin.ch!pfaff.ethz.ch!news-zh.switch.ch!newsfeed-zh.ip-plus.net!news-nyc.telia.net!news-feed1.eu.concert.net!uninett.no!newsfeed.online.no!newsfeed1.telia.no!d2o204.telia.com!t1o204p58.telia.com Hi Folks... Here is just some interesting writings I found by Andrade Bittencourt. It could be found on the alt.out-of-body FAQ that I just finished reading... great FAQ, it just needed reference to proof on OOBE. http://ftp.kiae.su/pub/internet/faq/Out-Of-Body.faq (slow site, need some waiting, but it is worth it...) I tried finding more of the writings by Andrade Bittencourt, but with no luck. I searched dejanews, but I couldn't even find the message that you see below. One of the reason this guy interest me is that he is yet another guy claiming to have done materialization.... ------ (from: Andrade Bittencourt) I am experiencing OOBE for 20 years and I would like to let all of you know that I don't have a formal religion, gurus, masters, guides or any entity that could give me any experience/knowledge for free. I've read books by Muldoon, Castaneda, Monroe and others and for a long time I had them as a good source of information. Today I discard 70% of their OOBE analysis. Without any kind of pretension but just experiencing. First of all let's put aside words like superior, developed, guides or any other mystical concept that can block information. Second, DO NOT believe in what I have to say. You must have your own experiences and judge, analyze and conclude by yourself. Knowledge is transmitted and discussed, never imposed! Keep your sense of right judgment and discrimination all the time. This is the most important thing to do! I could relate a lot of experiences here but I would be one more doing it. I encourage everybody to do it but along these years I learnt that obe is a tool, just a tool. In the beginning I went out of the body for fun. I could fly, travel across walls, appear and disappear in different places, observe people and so on. But for what? I didn't want religion involved then I started to look for knowledge. During this search I practiced spiritualism, yoga, mind control, etc. I incorporated entities, experienced materialization in obes and in the physical plane. All of them are valid, exist and I respect all of them. It is very good for a lot of people. But I was looking for more knowledge. The phenomenon didn't attracted me because I was looking for the causes, the origins, the roots. Without passion, religion, philosophy, guides, rules. Along this search we will have to handle all these things, there is no way but we can always keep a different positions and good sense. Then I found a group that works in this scientific way. The identification of this group is not important because I want to keep every thing far from any kind of doctrine. Anyway, the most important thing I experienced is that obe is a very attractive tool that catches our attention in a improper way because it is a wonderful and pleasant experience. Then, I could experience the cause, the root: ENERGY. This is the key to control OOBE. What is it? You can feel it physically as a itching, formication or something similar. Do you know that it can be controlled up to the point of a "full OOBE"? Forget any other technique: control your energy and you will control obe. OK, the process to control energy is when you are awake (amazing not?). I will call it "in-the-body-experience" (IBE). This means that obe starts physically according to your will and under your control. The lateral effects of IBE are: improved sensitivity, clairvoyance, premonition, partial OOBE while awake (there are several kinds of OOBEs), extraphysical perception and lots and lots of good sense, judgment and discernment Going back to "full OOBE". It is when you experience a complete OOBE without loss of consciousness. It is a round trip voyage. Do you know what I mean? OK, as I told you before I went out of the body and I was alone is the astral plane, without astral entities, forms or other kind of ghosts. It is just one obe more. No one in the astral plane will give you knowledge for free! What is the trick? It is: offer yourself to help anyone that needs your ENERGY, but set a price for that! Ask for lucidity, memory and discernment in exchange. Offer yourself for anyone, while awake or not, like a prostitute (in terms of energy) look for a client, shout, roar in thoughts that you wish to exchange energy by experience. Make a noise, but only in thoughts, very calm and positive. Ask for help, not for a guide, many times the helping entity has less knowledge than you. Remember: you are offering something (energy) and so you will owe nothing for the experience, make friends there, not guides. And wait. If you are in the physical plane keep the ENERGY in movement and in a short time you will not be able to control this movement any more. It will take you under its control, you will perceive a very different smell and sounds coming from your most inner part. In your way to the OOBE you are completely awake, without doubts if it is or not an OOBE. You can meet you astral friend also or not, depending on how host (He Or She) needs your help. Remember: when you offer energy you are helping them. By other side, if you are already in the astral plane then all the oneiric images will disappear, they vanish like smoke and you will be in the same point already described. Then you will be taken to different astral planes and places. From the bad to the good ones (I learnt more in the bad ones. There you test your capacity. In the good ones you improve your without- barriers-moral-and-concepts. I said that I don't have religion but a very good and open moral, by experiences. I am not more or less developed than you all. I am a normal human being. I make sex, I smoke, I drink beer, I have fun, I am not fanatic and I am completely open to discussions. I am learning and searching for information and experiences exactly like you all). OK, let's go back to the bad places: You are always placed in experiences that you can handle because you will be always attended, visibly or not. The reason for that, and it is not a rule, is that there you will know about your capacity, the things that you have ALREADY learnt from this and from others lives regardless you believe on it or not. It is not a creed, it is part of you. At this point let's put aside subjects like reincarnation, spirits, dead persons, ugly entities, beautiful entities, plasma, ectoplasm. You will have to handle with them even you don't believe on them! This is the importance of control your own ENERGY (IBE), it is your ID and you will be able to recognize bad and good entities through their energetic ID independently of their appearance: beautiful or not. Here, the lucid dreams, dreams and similar experiences will be subjects of the past. Are you in doubt if you are in front your computer reading this message? This is the same certainty that you have to have when you are in a real OOBE. Improving your knowledge, controlling your energy and enlarging your general-moral you will experience harder and harder obes (it makes sense, doesn't it?). So, OOBE is just a tool, as you can see. Is your passport to the astral plane. What is going to happen will depend on your knowledge and IBE. You have to offer your good energy to have something in place, that is the market's law: offering and demand. OK, it is not easy. Do you have fear? Fear is unfamiliarity with the subject. The difficulty is to experience something that depend on our will only. Fear is the most efficient force to avoid IBE and OOBE. Again, it is not easy. I feel fear sometimes up to now (depending on the environment). But it is not impossible also. All of us can do it. Are you ready to try? After you have experienced a lot of situations you will be more selective about the things you read. How many books and reports can be put in the trash, regardless they tell the true or not. If they don't add anything and have erroneous conclusions then you put them aside. By your own judgment. For this reason I encourage all of you to try to have "exchanged" OOBEs. Remember that a well experienced ten-seconds-OOBE is much more valid than a plenty-of-nothing ten-hours-OOBE. Finally, I don't have any pretension to criticize anyone. I respect all the experiences and I know that they are enough for a lot people. I am also ready to clarify any misunderstanding. Once again: do not believe in what I said. Try it, if you want. To those that are interested on it I will be glad in exchange experiences. There a lot of good projectors in this network and a lot of good-sense-people also. Nice to meet you all! ----- Have fun, Lars ###### From: Lucid Newsgroups: alt.out-of-body Subject: Re: A letter... Date: 30 Nov 1998 19:05:08 PST Organization: Concentric Internet Services Lines: 6 Message-ID: <366359DB.84D40697@hotmail.com> References: <3662A3D2.1CB81EBD@netparadise.no> NNTP-Posting-Host: ts003d42.oak-ca.concentric.net Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.04 [en] (Win95; U) Path: chonsp.franklin.ch!pfaff.ethz.ch!news-zh.switch.ch!news.belnet.be!212.63.192.161.MISMATCH!newshub.bart.net!news.tele2.nl!newsfeed1.swip.net!swipnet!newsfeed.berkeley.edu!su-news-hub1.bbnplanet.com!news.gtei.net!newsfeed.concentric.net!207.155.183.80.MISMATCH!global-news-master Hmm...achieved hardcore oobe by prostituting your energy to lower astral entities... I think I'll pass on this one. Reminded me of the bad side of New York :-D lucid.