Date: Sat, 28 Nov 1998 07:58:04 +0000 From: asdfg@zxcv.net (Lan) Newsgroups: alt.out-of-body Subject: Never had a past life? Message-ID: X-Newsreader: MT-NewsWatcher 2.4.4 NNTP-Posting-Host: 194.112.61.239 X-Trace: 28 Nov 1998 07:58:02 GMT, 194.112.61.239 Lines: 10 Path: chonsp.franklin.ch!pfaff.ethz.ch!news-zh.switch.ch!news.belnet.be!newsfeed.wirehub.nl!peer.news.nildram.co.uk!peer1.news.dircon.net!peer2.news.dircon.net!newsread1.dircon.co.uk!news.dircon.co.uk!asdfg is there anyone out there who beleives they've never had a past life? I know for sure I find (and did as a child) so many things other children expect i see as completely normal as impossible to understand, and its taken me a long time to understand the things other people somehow just seem to know, even if I am generally far more intelligent they than they. Anyone have experiences/info on this? To be honest I can see the faces of old geriatrics in the faces of most babies, and children, but then there are some who I cant see that in their faces. ###### From: "Bandit450" Newsgroups: alt.out-of-body References: Subject: Re: Never had a past life? Lines: 24 X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.3110.1 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.3110.3 Message-ID: <4j182.1218$eb6.4457055@news21.bellglobal.com> Date: Sun, 29 Nov 1998 01:20:00 GMT NNTP-Posting-Host: 206.172.137.128 NNTP-Posting-Date: Sat, 28 Nov 1998 20:20:00 EDT Organization: Bell Solutions Path: chonsp.franklin.ch!pfaff.ethz.ch!news-zh.switch.ch!newsfeed-zh.ip-plus.net!news-nyc.telia.net!newsfeed.cwix.com!206.172.150.11!news1.bellglobal.com!news21.bellglobal.com.POSTED!not-for-mail Why don't you wander over to your local hypnotherapist and find out? It could be possible that you are a "new conciousness". I mean, it has to start somewhere! Just ask the hypnotist to explore your past lives and if you have had none, you'll know! -- Bandit450---The official jazzed up, swinging nerd fool of ANO "Dammit, Jim, I'm a nerd not a doctor!!" http://bandit450.cjb.net Lan wrote in message ... >is there anyone out there who beleives they've never had a past life? I >know for sure I find (and did as a child) so many things other children >expect i see as completely normal as impossible to understand, and its >taken me a long time to understand the things other people somehow just >seem to know, even if I am generally far more intelligent they than they. >Anyone have experiences/info on this? > >To be honest I can see the faces of old geriatrics in the faces of most >babies, and children, but then there are some who I cant see that in their >faces. ###### Date: Sun, 29 Nov 1998 05:35:32 +0000 From: asdfg@zxcv.net (Lan) Newsgroups: alt.out-of-body Subject: Re: Never had a past life? Message-ID: References: <4j182.1218$eb6.4457055@news21.bellglobal.com> X-Newsreader: MT-NewsWatcher 2.4.4 NNTP-Posting-Host: 194.112.60.6 X-Trace: 29 Nov 1998 05:35:27 GMT, 194.112.60.6 Lines: 6 Path: chonsp.franklin.ch!pfaff.ethz.ch!news-zh.switch.ch!news.belnet.be!isdnet!oleane!news-raspail.gip.net!news-lond.gip.net!news.gsl.net!gip.net!colt.net!peer1.news.dircon.net!peer2.news.dircon.net!newsread1.dircon.co.uk!news.dircon.co.uk!asdfg > Why don't you wander over to your local hypnotherapist and find out? It > could be possible that you are a "new conciousness". I mean, it has to > start somewhere! Just ask the hypnotist to explore your past lives and if > you have had none, you'll know! I live with my parents, and no job. ###### From: chester basshead Newsgroups: alt.out-of-body Subject: Re: Never had a past life? Date: Sun, 29 Nov 1998 18:31:47 -0800 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit References: X-Posted-Path-Was: not-for-mail Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-ELN-Date: 30 Nov 1998 02:26:35 GMT X-ELN-Insert-Date: Sun Nov 29 18:35:04 1998 Organization: EarthLink Network, Inc. Lines: 37 Mime-Version: 1.0 NNTP-Posting-Host: 1cust6.tnt5.lax1.da.uu.net Message-ID: <36620393.E3473128@earthlink.nXXXet> X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.05 [en] (Win95; I) Path: chonsp.franklin.ch!pfaff.ethz.ch!news-zh.switch.ch!newsfeed-zh.ip-plus.net!news-nyc.telia.net!newsfeed.berkeley.edu!su-news-hub1.bbnplanet.com!la-news-feed1.bbnplanet.com!news.gtei.net!newsfeed1.earthlink.net!nntp.earthlink.net!posted-from-earthlink!not-for-mail > Hi Lan. You pose an interesting question, I tend to view the fact that you perceive your abilities of understanding certain things as lacking or that you feel an absence of 'intuition' at times as having very little to do with past lives. On a psychological level it seems to make a lot more sense analyzing your experience and learned traits since birth and how events and parents/peers have affected the development of your mind and perceptions of the world around you. You should check out a cool book by Shakti Guwain called 'Living in the Light' which is all about intuition and embracing the deeper levels of our self again as we did when we were small children before LEARNING to abandon intuition and look toward external influences as guidance... authority figures of all types whether parental, peer, religious, etc.. I view knowledge of past existences as a very deep part of our spirit which is not easily accessible. This seems to be by design and 'the way it is all set up' to produce as much personal growth and spiritual evolution as possible. There are some people who believe that intuition as a whole is purely and exclusively some sort of consciousness link to our past lives but I personally do not agree. My research in quantum theory and the holographic model of consciousness put forth by such brilliant minds as Dr. David Bohm, has led me to believe that intuition can be as much a transcendence of the illusion of time and space and the 'linear' perceptions we have of such things. On a deeper level, many view the past future and present as holographic illusions which lay a top a timeless mass of energy 'which is one'. Sparks of deja vu and bizarre intuition may result from our deepest levels of self already knowing the outcome of everything. It's already happened! That's just my belief, though.. to each their own. Hope that wasn't too obscure to offer any assistance... :-) Peace from within, brian ###### From: Rwesson Newsgroups: alt.out-of-body Subject: Re: Never had a past life? Date: 30 Nov 1998 10:26:00 -0600 Organization: Newscene Public Access Usenet News Service (http://www.newscene.com/) Lines: 43 Message-ID: <3662C72F.F8E8E86@sofnet.com> References: <36620393.E3473128@earthlink.nXXXet> NNTP-Posting-Host: 209.16.194.37 NNTP-Posting-Date: Mon, 30 Nov 1998 10:25:01 CDT X-Trace: newscene.newscene.com 912443101 209.16.194.37 (Mon, 30 Nov 1998 10:25:01 CDT) X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.5 [en] (Win95; I) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Path: chonsp.franklin.ch!pfaff.ethz.ch!news-zh.switch.ch!news.belnet.be!isdnet!howland.erols.net!novia!sequencer.newscene.com!not-for-mail Just thought I would say I found your post interesting....Have you read Jack Sarfatti and his thoughts on back action and QMind? I personally have never explored the "past lives" thing...I guess it just doesn't interest me. Quantum Physics and the Mind and PSI does. Robert chester basshead wrote: > > > > Hi Lan. You pose an interesting question, I tend to view the fact that you > perceive your abilities of understanding certain things as lacking or that you > feel an absence of 'intuition' at times as having very little to do with past > lives. On a psychological level it seems to make a lot more sense analyzing > your experience and learned traits since birth and how events and > parents/peers have affected the development of your mind and perceptions of > the world around you. You should check out a cool book by Shakti Guwain called > 'Living in the Light' which is all about intuition and embracing the deeper > levels of our self again as we did when we were small children before LEARNING > to abandon intuition and look toward external influences as guidance... > authority figures of all types whether parental, peer, religious, etc.. > > I view knowledge of past existences as a very deep part of our spirit which is > not easily accessible. This seems to be by design and 'the way it is all set > up' to produce as much personal growth and spiritual evolution as possible. > There are some people who believe that intuition as a whole is purely and > exclusively some sort of consciousness link to our past lives but I personally > do not agree. My research in quantum theory and the holographic model of > consciousness put forth by such brilliant minds as Dr. David Bohm, has led me > to believe that intuition can be as much a transcendence of the illusion of > time and space and the 'linear' perceptions we have of such things. On a > deeper level, many view the past future and present as holographic illusions > which lay a top a timeless mass of energy 'which is one'. Sparks of deja vu > and bizarre intuition may result from our deepest levels of self already > knowing the outcome of everything. It's already happened! That's just my > belief, though.. to each their own. > > Hope that wasn't too obscure to offer any assistance... :-) > > Peace from within, > > brian ###### Message-ID: <36629C33.A44E212E@netparadise.no> Date: Mon, 30 Nov 1998 14:22:59 +0100 From: Lars Foleide X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.5 [en] (Win95; I) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 Newsgroups: alt.out-of-body Subject: Re: Never had a past life? References: <4j182.1218$eb6.4457055@news21.bellglobal.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit NNTP-Posting-Host: t1o204p58.telia.com X-NNTP-Posting-Host: t1o204p58.telia.com Lines: 27 X-Complaints-To: abuse@telia.no Path: chonsp.franklin.ch!pfaff.ethz.ch!news-zh.switch.ch!news.belnet.be!newsgate.cistron.nl!het.net!news-feed.inet.tele.dk!bofh.vszbr.cz!masternews.telia.net!newsfeed1.telia.no!d2o204.telia.com!t1o204p58.telia.com I know a guy that doesn't seem to have lived the past 10000 years. (Mean that his last physical life was over 10000 years ago...) How you lived your past life very much influence would you will be this life... But I read on the site of a guy that have been doing past life regression hypnosis for many, many years that you spirit is being reincarnated 24-hours before or after the child is born.... Anyone know anything more about that? Cheers, Lars Bandit450 wrote: > Why don't you wander over to your local hypnotherapist and find out? It > could be possible that you are a "new conciousness". I mean, it has to > start somewhere! Just ask the hypnotist to explore your past lives and if > you have had none, you'll know! > > -- > Bandit450---The official jazzed up, swinging nerd fool of ANO > "Dammit, Jim, I'm a nerd not a doctor!!" > http://bandit450.cjb.net ###### Date: Mon, 30 Nov 1998 18:19:43 +0000 From: asdfg@zxcv.net (Lan) Newsgroups: alt.out-of-body Subject: Re: Never had a past life? Message-ID: References: <4j182.1218$eb6.4457055@news21.bellglobal.com> <36629C33.A44E212E@netparadise.no> X-Newsreader: MT-NewsWatcher 2.4.4 NNTP-Posting-Host: 194.112.63.3 X-Trace: 30 Nov 1998 18:19:36 GMT, 194.112.63.3 Lines: 15 Path: chonsp.franklin.ch!pfaff.ethz.ch!news-zh.switch.ch!news-ge.switch.ch!feed1.news.luth.se!luth.se!cam-news-hub1.bbnplanet.com!news.gtei.net!newsfeed.xcom.net!newshub.northeast.verio.net!news.maxwell.syr.edu!diablo.theplanet.net!news.freedom2surf.net!peer.news.nildram.co.uk!peer1.news.dircon.net!peer2.news.dircon.net!newsread1.dircon.co.uk!news.dircon.co.uk!asdfg > I know a guy that doesn't seem to have lived the past 10000 years. > (Mean that his last physical life was over 10000 years ago...) > How you lived your past life very much influence would you will > be this life... > But I read on the site of a guy that have been doing past life > regression hypnosis for many, many years that you spirit > is being reincarnated 24-hours before or after the child > is born.... > Anyone know anything more about that? I've heard account of hyponosis/memory retrival things where people remembered being themselves (spiritually) from an early foetal stage. How early i dont think he said, but it could be weeks even. ###### From: chester basshead Newsgroups: alt.out-of-body Subject: Re: Never had a past life? Date: Mon, 30 Nov 1998 19:51:58 -0800 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit References: <36620393.E3473128@earthlink.nXXXet> <3662C72F.F8E8E86@sofnet.com> X-Posted-Path-Was: not-for-mail Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-ELN-Date: 1 Dec 1998 03:47:45 GMT X-ELN-Insert-Date: Mon Nov 30 19:55:05 1998 Organization: EarthLink Network, Inc. Lines: 47 Mime-Version: 1.0 NNTP-Posting-Host: 1cust139.tnt7.lax1.da.uu.net Message-ID: <366367DE.E99D6494@earthlink.nXXXet> X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.05 [en] (Win95; I) Path: chonsp.franklin.ch!pfaff.ethz.ch!news-zh.switch.ch!news-ge.switch.ch!news.maxwell.syr.edu!newsfeed.berkeley.edu!newsfeed1.earthlink.net!nntp.earthlink.net!posted-from-earthlink!not-for-mail Rwesson wrote: > Just thought I would say I found your post interesting....Have you read Jack > Sarfatti and his thoughts on back action and QMind? > I personally have never explored the "past lives" thing...I guess it just doesn't > interest me. Quantum Physics and the Mind and PSI does. > Robert > > right after i posted that i thought.. 'what if Lan is 11 years old?' ha ha haThanks! No, I haven't read Sarfatti but I think he has been mentioned in some of the other things I have read. I will definitely check it out. I'm way into Quantum Physics and the like. Bohm and Pribhams 'holographic model' is my favorite, as covered in 'the holographic universe' written by my favorite writer, Michael Talbot. I imagine you may have already read it but if you didn't GO OUT AND GET IT RIGHT NOW!! PSI is of deep interest to me as well, have you checked out the PEAR website? ( http://www.princeton.edu/~pear/index.html ) Their book is pretty cool, too (Margins of Reality by Jahn and Dunne) I have been fascinated by the parallels between what Quantum Theory has uncovered concerning the nature of reality and ancient Native American beliefs on such things, how reality is a big holographic illusion a top a mass of energy and interference patterns.. the shamanic view.. Interesting PSI story, I was in my favorite book store here in L.A. a while back killing time before a lecture/book signing and wandered back into the Native American section and an amazing book basically fell onto my head.. heh. it's called 'Being and Vibration' by Joseph Rael (a Picuris Pueblo, Tiwa lang.) and it's AMAZING!! Just bought Fred Alan Wolf's book 'The Eagles Quest' as well, of similar topics.Good read! I'd call it his best book.. Thanks for the Sarfatti info, Robert! Peace from Within, Brian > > ###### From: johnf@melbpc.org.au (John Fitzsimons) Newsgroups: alt.out-of-body Subject: Re: Never had a past life? Date: Mon, 30 Nov 1998 23:38:01 GMT Organization: Melbourne PC User Group Inc, Australia Lines: 27 Message-ID: <366b142d.4784386@news.melbpc.org.au> References: <4j182.1218$eb6.4457055@news21.bellglobal.com> <36629C33.A44E212E@netparadise.no> NNTP-Posting-Host: bilby16.melbpc.org.au Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Newsreader: Forte Agent 1.5/32.451 Path: chonsp.franklin.ch!pfaff.ethz.ch!news-zh.switch.ch!news-ge.switch.ch!news.maxwell.syr.edu!news.mel.connect.com.au!news2.melbpc.org.au!not-for-mail On Mon, 30 Nov 1998 14:22:59 +0100, Lars Foleide wrote: < snip > >But I read on the site of a guy that have been doing past life >regression hypnosis for many, many years that you spirit >is being reincarnated 24-hours before or after the child >is born.... >Anyone know anything more about that? The time that the soul actually attaches to the physical body can be at any time during the 9 months gestation and in some cases post birth. Many people hang around the intended mother for a while before committing to incarnation. If however they wait too long then the physical form can die when separated from the mother as it no longer has a spirit attached to keep it animated. Regards, John. **************************************************** ,-._|\ John Fitzsimons - Melbourne, Australia. / Oz \ johnf@melbpc.org.au, Fidonet 3:632/309 \_,--.x/ http://www.vicnet.net.au/~johnf/welcome.htm v http://www.alphalink.com.au/~johnf/ ###### Message-ID: <366426C1.C5CD25E0@sofnet.com> From: Rwesson X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.5 [en] (Win95; I) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 Newsgroups: alt.out-of-body Subject: Re: Never had a past life? References: <36620393.E3473128@earthlink.nXXXet> <3662C72F.F8E8E86@sofnet.com> <366367DE.E99D6494@earthlink.nXXXet> <3664035A.1288396D@netparadise.no> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Lines: 56 NNTP-Posting-Host: 209.16.194.3 X-Trace: news13.ispnews.com 912533111 209.16.194.3 (Tue, 01 Dec 1998 12:25:11 EDT) NNTP-Posting-Date: Tue, 01 Dec 1998 12:25:11 EDT Organization: ISPNews http://ispnews.com Date: Tue, 01 Dec 1998 11:26:26 -0600 Path: chonsp.franklin.ch!pfaff.ethz.ch!news-zh.switch.ch!news.belnet.be!newsfeed.wirehub.nl!howland.erols.net!hub1.ispnews.com!news13.ispnews.com.POSTED!not-for-mail Sounds like an interesting read...If anyone is interested Mr. Sarfatti posts on alt.paranormal, alt. alien visitors and alt. comp.ai.philosphy. He writes some interesting stuff and is usually carrying on conversations with like minded QMind folks....It appears they argue a great deal about the Physics of the mind. It will really blow your reality trying to keep up with what they are saying! He talks about the mind being a quantum wave....Perhaps this is a part of the vibrational things folks are feeling in OOBE. I don't know. He makes some statements about "back action" I think are interesting. Got me to thinking about the impossibility of living in the present....if thoughts are a Quantum process of the past it would be impossible to say we live in the present....All of this is Physics oriented but I find it interesting. I myself only started to have an OOBE about 3 days ago the vibrations happened...I was meditating on my bed at about 5:00am. I got these vibes and waves and I felt a bit paralized and I seemed to be lifting out and there was a rush of wind like from my chest felt like spirit leaving my body but scared the Hell out of me and I dropped back into my body I guess. My heart was racing like I had been in a race. I have a very traditional background...religiously speaking...and have commonly viewed such things as of the darker side of nature. However, after talking some with Angela Thompson Smith I think I may overcome this fear. I do believe it is the fear that is holding me back. I have been reading some things from the Monroe Institute and RV interests me. I am beginning to see these things as a natural thing that can happen to anyone. I have been also doing a bit of Tai Chi and meditation and working with a PSI program called DOME. I think the key is in finding ways to help folks become more aware and at peace with themselves and enjoy all that is here as a very wonderful gift. Thanks for your time- Brian and Lars- I'll grab a book or two and see if the vibes keep happn'in! Peace, Robert Wesson Lars Foleide wrote: > chester basshead wrote: > > > > > PSI is of deep interest to me as well, have you checked out the PEAR website? ( > > http://www.princeton.edu/~pear/index.html ) Their book is pretty cool, too (Margins > > of Reality by Jahn and Dunne) I have been fascinated by the parallels between what > > Quantum Theory has uncovered concerning the nature of reality and ancient Native > > American beliefs on such things, how reality is a big holographic illusion a top a > > mass of energy and interference patterns.. the shamanic view.. > > I have ordered their book... Good to know that it is pretty cool.... :) > > > > > Interesting PSI story, I was in my favorite book store here in L.A. a while back > > killing time before a lecture/book signing and wandered back into the Native > > American section and an amazing book basically fell onto my head.. heh. it's called > > 'Being and Vibration' by Joseph Rael (a Picuris Pueblo, Tiwa lang.) and it's > > AMAZING!! > > Could you tell some more about the book "Being and Vibration"? > (Vibrations is another interest I have... you have have heard of Keely?) > > Cheers, > Lars ###### From: chester basshead Newsgroups: alt.out-of-body Subject: Re: Never had a past life? Date: Tue, 01 Dec 1998 13:19:11 -0800 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit References: <36620393.E3473128@earthlink.nXXXet> <3662C72F.F8E8E86@sofnet.com> <366367DE.E99D6494@earthlink.nXXXet> X-Posted-Path-Was: not-for-mail Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-ELN-Date: 1 Dec 1998 21:13:46 GMT X-ELN-Insert-Date: Tue Dec 1 13:15:16 1998 Organization: EarthLink Network, Inc. Lines: 33 Mime-Version: 1.0 NNTP-Posting-Host: 2cust79.tnt5.lax1.da.uu.net Message-ID: <36645D4F.67672176@earthlink.nXXXet> X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.05 [en] (Win95; I) Path: chonsp.franklin.ch!pfaff.ethz.ch!news-zh.switch.ch!newsfeed-zh.ip-plus.net!news-nyc.telia.net!news.maxwell.syr.edu!xmission!newsfeed.berkeley.edu!newsfeed1.earthlink.net!nntp.earthlink.net!posted-from-earthlink!not-for-mail Lan wrote: > right after i posted that i thought.. 'what if Lan is 11 years old?' ha ha haThanks! (didn't mean to offend you, Lan) :-( I was eleven when I read "a brief history of time", it made for interesting reading, nothing too complicated too understand. my only pity was that there was nothing else around that would give me enough to think about, it was the only non-baby book I could find at that age. wow! I was in HS when I read it and found it pretty boring also. I just don't view him as a very good writer. > I think i've gone beyond quantum mechanics by now. And what it has to do > with past lives anyway I dont know. good to hear! I'm more interested in the multi dimensional aspects of our existence and the vibration and interfering energy patterns beneath which coalesce into 'physical reality' through the use of brain processing myself. I'm curious, what are your thoughts/explanations concerning 'non local activity' within quantum mechanics? Warmly, brian ###### From: chester basshead Newsgroups: alt.out-of-body Subject: Re: Never had a past life? Date: Tue, 01 Dec 1998 13:29:36 -0800 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit References: <36620393.E3473128@earthlink.nXXXet> <3662C72F.F8E8E86@sofnet.com> <366367DE.E99D6494@earthlink.nXXXet> <3664035A.1288396D@netparadise.no> X-Posted-Path-Was: not-for-mail Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-ELN-Date: 1 Dec 1998 21:24:10 GMT X-ELN-Insert-Date: Tue Dec 1 13:25:10 1998 Organization: EarthLink Network, Inc. Lines: 77 Mime-Version: 1.0 NNTP-Posting-Host: 2cust79.tnt5.lax1.da.uu.net Message-ID: <36645FC0.94B3920B@earthlink.nXXXet> X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.05 [en] (Win95; I) Path: chonsp.franklin.ch!pfaff.ethz.ch!news-zh.switch.ch!newsfeed-zh.ip-plus.net!news-nyc.telia.net!howland.erols.net!newsfeed.berkeley.edu!newsfeed1.earthlink.net!nntp.earthlink.net!posted-from-earthlink!not-for-mail > > > Could you tell some more about the book "Being and Vibration"? > (Vibrations is another interest I have... you have have heard of Keely?) > Gladly, Lars. :-D Here is a copy of an e-mail I sent my friends about it. It's not math/science based but still a very amazing read in my opinion. I've heard a little of John Keely (vibrational physics, etc..?) but I don't know much. Turn me on!! > >I'm reading the most amazing book called 'Being and Vibration' by Joseph Rael. A tiny > little thing but packed with energy. It colorfully reveals his Pueblo, Tiwa languange > perspective on reality as vibration, the essence of which can be 'heard' and seen. Some > of the very profound quantum craziness within particle physics that I have recently > researched seems to be something he and his family have known along.. practically since > birth. He talks of being a young age and being told of such things by his grandmother.. > that everything was a dancing vibration of light which changes and vibrates and then > ceased to exist the whole process Being, slowly opening enough to allow the concept > time to come into existence.. GREAT READ! > > > >here are some quotes: > > > >"The focus of my life became to understand all physical forms as sound and vibration of > the infinite Self and to be a working-listener to those forms. For me, listening, seeing > and working all were the same. As long as I could remember, I had investigated the > infinite Self by listening to and watching the push-pull vibrations in physical motion. > I had tried to understand the Self by becoming the relationship between those > vibrations." > > > >As a young boy I would sit down inconspicuously at meal time, eat my food, and talk > with family members. From all outer appearancees, everything seemed quite ordinary. My > real attention, though, was seldom on the meal but was focused instead on discovering > the significance of the forms that were present at the table, like the plate or the > spoon or the cup. I wanted to understand the deeper mysteries. There was a sense that if > I could tap the vibrational essence of these forms, therin might be the keys to > understanding how the vibrational essence of all forms were working themselves alive. > The energy of vibration is alive, and because it is alive it sees, it listens to the > activity of work that is being created by its own vibration." > > > >Wow!! this is the next paragraph: > > > >"I began my journey into sound and vibration using the familiar, my native language > Tiwa. To me, Tiwa is the language of nature, words made from the audible sounds that > occur moment by moment in the natural environment in each 24 hour day. ........ Take > my name for instance. As a concept in English, Beautiful Painted Arrow (that's what his > name means in Tiwa) is simple enough. But when I say my name in Tiwa, Sluu teh koh ay, I > hear an arrow arch through the air, strike something, quiver, and radiate energy in all > directions. It paints beauty everywhere. That is the way with Tiwa. Everything that is > said creates a metaphoric sense of life, of time, of space. Everything is made up of > principle ideas, and for each idea there is also a sound. So we are all made up of > sounds, of listeningness, of seeingness, and of workingness. We are all music. With each > inhalation we identify our purpose to be alive, vibrations of the here and now, and our > universe is created. And with each exhalation, the universe is given new life. This is > how we create the future; what we choose to live in each and every moment resonates > outward on our breath. We inhale in one moment, and we are presentness; we exhale in the > next, and we are futureness." > > > >cool stuff.. that is all from the begining of the chapter called 'Unlocking > Vibration'. I could have opened it to any page though, and started writing.. > > > > > >hope all is well! > > > > > >peace from within, > > > >brian Hope that was helpful! :-) -bri > > ###### From: chester basshead Newsgroups: alt.out-of-body Subject: Re: Never had a past life? Date: Tue, 01 Dec 1998 13:54:08 -0800 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit References: <36620393.E3473128@earthlink.nXXXet> <3662C72F.F8E8E86@sofnet.com> <366367DE.E99D6494@earthlink.nXXXet> <3664035A.1288396D@netparadise.no> <366426C1.C5CD25E0@sofnet.com> X-Posted-Path-Was: not-for-mail Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-ELN-Date: 1 Dec 1998 21:48:43 GMT X-ELN-Insert-Date: Tue Dec 1 13:55:05 1998 Organization: EarthLink Network, Inc. Lines: 47 Mime-Version: 1.0 NNTP-Posting-Host: 2cust79.tnt5.lax1.da.uu.net Message-ID: <36646580.654A484A@earthlink.nXXXet> X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.05 [en] (Win95; I) Path: chonsp.franklin.ch!pfaff.ethz.ch!news-zh.switch.ch!news-ge.switch.ch!isdnet!howland.erols.net!newsfeed.wli.net!su-news-hub1.bbnplanet.com!la-news-feed1.bbnplanet.com!news.gtei.net!newsfeed1.earthlink.net!nntp.earthlink.net!posted-from-earthlink!not-for-mail Rwesson wrote: > I think the key is in finding ways to help folks become more aware and at peace with > themselves and enjoy all that is here as a very wonderful gift. > Thanks for your time- Brian and Lars- I'll grab a book or two and see if the vibes keep > happn'in! > Peace, > Robert Wesson > Anytime Robert! Thanks to you as well for the Sarfatti info and insightful post! :-D I can relate to the fear thing, it still plagues me at times. One of the things I learned when I first began having control over the 'outings' ;-) (which are not a regular occurance as of yet) is that what you THINK you believe about the whole process and what you actualy feel when it is about to happen/happening can be quiiiiiiiite different, ha ha. One of the things that helped me immensely, though, was contantly reinforcing the belief that I embraced from Monroe and many other writers/scientists/etc/ that we in fact go OOB every night and it is a completely natural and safe experience, we simply don't remember because the sub conscious mind 'has the reigns' at that point and the experiences are also masked in symbolism, dreams, etc.. So, one of the affirmations I say to myself while slipping into the zone beneath consciousness is ' I Lucidly experience the natural process of separation' or something to tht effect. I sincerely believe that if we can get the message through to the sub conscious that 'hey! I want to have consciousness when it happens, I want to remember it', that the deeper parst of self will have no problem complying. The hard part is getting the message through. So all I can really say from my handful of experiences is that it is natural and safe and there are no risks or harm done to your physical body. It happens to us all the time already, we just don't remember it. I had a lucid dream the other night that got a little crazy after I 'willed' to experience the multi-dimensional aspects of reality and soon after I fell for 4 or 5 seconds into my body and woke up paralyzed (briefly). That experience causes me to wonder about the belief put forth by some that our consciousness is sometimes floating outside of our bodies while we are sleeping. like part of our being forgets where its grounding point is or something... heh. Best of luck! brian > ###### Message-ID: <3664035A.1288396D@netparadise.no> Date: Tue, 01 Dec 1998 15:55:23 +0100 From: Lars Foleide X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.5 [en] (Win95; I) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 Newsgroups: alt.out-of-body Subject: Re: Never had a past life? References: <36620393.E3473128@earthlink.nXXXet> <3662C72F.F8E8E86@sofnet.com> <366367DE.E99D6494@earthlink.nXXXet> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit NNTP-Posting-Host: t3o204p6.telia.com X-NNTP-Posting-Host: t3o204p6.telia.com Lines: 26 X-Complaints-To: abuse@telia.no Path: chonsp.franklin.ch!pfaff.ethz.ch!news-zh.switch.ch!news.belnet.be!newsfeed.wirehub.nl!newsfeed.tli.de!news-feed.inet.tele.dk!bofh.vszbr.cz!newsfeed.online.no!newsfeed1.telia.no!d2o204.telia.com!t3o204p6.telia.com chester basshead wrote: > > PSI is of deep interest to me as well, have you checked out the PEAR website? ( > http://www.princeton.edu/~pear/index.html ) Their book is pretty cool, too (Margins > of Reality by Jahn and Dunne) I have been fascinated by the parallels between what > Quantum Theory has uncovered concerning the nature of reality and ancient Native > American beliefs on such things, how reality is a big holographic illusion a top a > mass of energy and interference patterns.. the shamanic view.. I have ordered their book... Good to know that it is pretty cool.... :) > > Interesting PSI story, I was in my favorite book store here in L.A. a while back > killing time before a lecture/book signing and wandered back into the Native > American section and an amazing book basically fell onto my head.. heh. it's called > 'Being and Vibration' by Joseph Rael (a Picuris Pueblo, Tiwa lang.) and it's > AMAZING!! Could you tell some more about the book "Being and Vibration"? (Vibrations is another interest I have... you have have heard of Keely?) Cheers, Lars ###### Date: Tue, 01 Dec 1998 20:18:01 +0000 From: asdfg@zxcv.net (Lan) Newsgroups: alt.out-of-body Subject: Re: Never had a past life? Message-ID: References: <36620393.E3473128@earthlink.nXXXet> <3662C72F.F8E8E86@sofnet.com> <366367DE.E99D6494@earthlink.nXXXet> X-Newsreader: MT-NewsWatcher 2.4.4 NNTP-Posting-Host: 194.112.62.2 X-NNTP-Posting-Host: 194.112.62.2 X-Trace: 1 Dec 1998 20:17:53 GMT, 194.112.62.2 Lines: 39 X-NNTP-Posting-Host: 194.112.32.19 Path: chonsp.franklin.ch!pfaff.ethz.ch!news-zh.switch.ch!news-ge.switch.ch!feed1.news.luth.se!luth.se!feed1.news.rcn.net!rcn!newsfeed.enteract.com!netnews.com!newspeer1.nac.net!peer1.news.dircon.net!peer2.news.dircon.net!newsread3.dircon.co.uk!news.dircon.co.uk!asdfg > > Just thought I would say I found your post interesting....Have you read Jack > > Sarfatti and his thoughts on back action and QMind? > > I personally have never explored the "past lives" thing...I guess it just doesn't > > interest me. Quantum Physics and the Mind and PSI does. > > Robert > right after i posted that i thought.. 'what if Lan is 11 years old?' ha ha haThanks! I was eleven when I read "a brief history of time", it made for interesting reading, nothing too complicated too understand. my only pity was that there was nothing else around that would give me enough to think about, it was the only non-baby book I could find at that age. > No, I haven't read Sarfatti but I think he has been mentioned in some of the other > things I have read. I will definitely check it out. I'm way into Quantum Physics and > the like. Bohm and Pribhams 'holographic model' is my favorite, as covered in 'the > holographic universe' written by my favorite writer, Michael Talbot. I imagine you > may have already read it but if you didn't GO OUT AND GET IT RIGHT NOW!! > PSI is of deep interest to me as well, have you checked out the PEAR website? ( > http://www.princeton.edu/~pear/index.html ) Their book is pretty cool, too (Margins > of Reality by Jahn and Dunne) I have been fascinated by the parallels between what > Quantum Theory has uncovered concerning the nature of reality and ancient Native > American beliefs on such things, how reality is a big holographic illusion a top a > mass of energy and interference patterns.. the shamanic view.. I think i've gone beyond quantum mechanics by now. And what it has to do with past lives anyway I dont know. ###### Date: Tue, 01 Dec 1998 20:26:36 +0000 From: asdfg@zxcv.net (Lan) Newsgroups: alt.out-of-body Subject: Re: Never had a past life? Message-ID: References: <4j182.1218$eb6.4457055@news21.bellglobal.com> <36629C33.A44E212E@netparadise.no> <366b142d.4784386@news.melbpc.org.au> X-Newsreader: MT-NewsWatcher 2.4.4 NNTP-Posting-Host: 194.112.62.2 X-NNTP-Posting-Host: 194.112.62.2 X-Trace: 1 Dec 1998 20:26:27 GMT, 194.112.62.2 Lines: 15 X-NNTP-Posting-Host: 194.112.32.19 Path: chonsp.franklin.ch!pfaff.ethz.ch!news-zh.switch.ch!newsfeed-zh.ip-plus.net!news-nyc.telia.net!howland.erols.net!newsfeed.nacamar.de!peer.news.nildram.co.uk!peer1.news.dircon.net!peer2.news.dircon.net!newsread3.dircon.co.uk!news.dircon.co.uk!asdfg > >But I read on the site of a guy that have been doing past life > >regression hypnosis for many, many years that you spirit > >is being reincarnated 24-hours before or after the child > >is born.... > >Anyone know anything more about that? > The time that the soul actually attaches to the physical body can be > at any time during the 9 months gestation and in some cases post > birth. Many people hang around the intended mother for a while before > committing to incarnation. If however they wait too long then the > physical form can die when separated from the mother as it no longer > has a spirit attached to keep it animated. Where did you hear this? Any web pages or text files you can upload. ###### Date: Tue, 01 Dec 1998 20:29:45 +0000 From: asdfg@zxcv.net (Lan) Newsgroups: alt.out-of-body Subject: Re: Never had a past life? Message-ID: References: <4j182.1218$eb6.4457055@news21.bellglobal.com> <36629C33.A44E212E@netparadise.no> <366b142d.4784386@news.melbpc.org.au> X-Newsreader: MT-NewsWatcher 2.4.4 NNTP-Posting-Host: 194.112.62.2 X-NNTP-Posting-Host: 194.112.62.2 X-Trace: 1 Dec 1998 20:29:36 GMT, 194.112.62.2 Lines: 15 X-NNTP-Posting-Host: 194.112.32.19 Path: chonsp.franklin.ch!pfaff.ethz.ch!news-zh.switch.ch!newsfeed-zh.ip-plus.net!news-nyc.telia.net!newsfeed.cwix.com!194.162.162.196!newsfeed.nacamar.de!peer.news.nildram.co.uk!peer1.news.dircon.net!peer2.news.dircon.net!newsread3.dircon.co.uk!news.dircon.co.uk!asdfg > >But I read on the site of a guy that have been doing past life > >regression hypnosis for many, many years that you spirit > >is being reincarnated 24-hours before or after the child > >is born.... > >Anyone know anything more about that? > The time that the soul actually attaches to the physical body can be > at any time during the 9 months gestation and in some cases post > birth. Many people hang around the intended mother for a while before > committing to incarnation. If however they wait too long then the > physical form can die when separated from the mother as it no longer > has a spirit attached to keep it animated. Where did you hear this? Any web pages or text files you can upload. ###### From: chester basshead Newsgroups: alt.out-of-body Subject: Re: Never had a past life? Date: Wed, 02 Dec 1998 16:29:15 -0800 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit References: <36620393.E3473128@earthlink.nXXXet> <3662C72F.F8E8E86@sofnet.com> <366367DE.E99D6494@earthlink.nXXXet> <36645D4F.67672176@earthlink.nXXXet> X-Posted-Path-Was: not-for-mail Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-ELN-Date: 3 Dec 1998 00:23:44 GMT X-ELN-Insert-Date: Wed Dec 2 16:25:09 1998 Organization: EarthLink Network, Inc. Lines: 36 Mime-Version: 1.0 NNTP-Posting-Host: 2cust75.tnt5.lax1.da.uu.net Message-ID: <3665DB5B.DB543633@earthlink.nXXXet> X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.05 [en] (Win95; I) Path: chonsp.franklin.ch!pfaff.ethz.ch!news-zh.switch.ch!newsfeed-zh.ip-plus.net!news-nyc.telia.net!news.maxwell.syr.edu!xmission!newsfeed.berkeley.edu!newsfeed1.earthlink.net!nntp.earthlink.net!posted-from-earthlink!not-for-mail Hi Lan. Lan wrote: > I dont know about that. I am a kind of anti vibration person really. It > just cant describe enough things and people are too all over that idea of > vibration. its usefull, like any language, but, there are things it cant > do. quite alot. and you probably wont find any hard information from me > you wouldnt find elsewhere ;) I'm interested in the 'hard information' of YOU and your mind, that's why I'm posting to you. :-) Can you elaborate in more scientific terms the reasons you are against vibration theories? If you blew through that book at 11 it's pretty obvious you are a genius. I would love to pick your mind! > > > > I'm curious, what are your thoughts/explanations concerning 'non local > activity' > > within quantum mechanics? > > Why not i guess. They've got too much of it wrong anyway. Some right, some > wrong. Wrong viewpoint especially but at least they are forced to see > something "into the wierd" to get a better accuracy on things. This is kind of vague. I have yet to encounter any 'hard' explanation for 'non local activity' but there is no question it is real and has been proven. The holographic model is the most sensible explanation I have encountered. What exactly do they 'have wrong'? Too much of 'what' wrong? You can be as specific and scientific as you want with me... I can hang. (well..when I can't I'll let you know, ha ha) Peace, Brian ###### Date: Wed, 02 Dec 1998 19:32:47 +0000 From: asdfg@zxcv.net (Lan) Newsgroups: alt.out-of-body Subject: Re: Never had a past life? Message-ID: References: <36620393.E3473128@earthlink.nXXXet> <3662C72F.F8E8E86@sofnet.com> <366367DE.E99D6494@earthlink.nXXXet> <36645D4F.67672176@earthlink.nXXXet> X-Newsreader: MT-NewsWatcher 2.4.4 NNTP-Posting-Host: 194.112.62.89 X-NNTP-Posting-Host: 194.112.62.89 X-Trace: 2 Dec 1998 19:32:44 GMT, 194.112.62.89 Lines: 44 X-NNTP-Posting-Host: 194.112.32.19 Path: chonsp.franklin.ch!pfaff.ethz.ch!news-zh.switch.ch!news.belnet.be!news-raspail.gip.net!news-lond.gip.net!news.gsl.net!gip.net!easynet-tele!peer1.news.dircon.net!peer2.news.dircon.net!newsread3.dircon.co.uk!news.dircon.co.uk!asdfg > > right after i posted that i thought.. 'what if Lan is 11 years old?' ha > ha haThanks! > (didn't mean to offend you, Lan) :-( oh its ok. > wow! I was in HS when I read it and found it pretty boring also. I just don't view > him as a very good writer. Yes, but as a first glimpse of something other than typical TOTALLY controlled patronised life that an 11 year old has, it was something. I mean when every moment of your life is controlled and for 11 years and more all you see is school (and no one interesting there, home, patronisation and never a moment away from your parents etc etc etc then... especially when you mentally surpassed them at the age of 5, at least in their case. They are complete dummies. I cant beleive i am related to them. Thats how different we are. Well in that way it was a nice book to read. i remember understanding all the concepts. > > I think i've gone beyond quantum mechanics by now. And what it has to do > > with past lives anyway I dont know. > good to hear! I'm more interested in the multi dimensional aspects of our existence > and the vibration and interfering energy patterns beneath which coalesce into > 'physical reality' through the use of brain processing myself. I dont know about that. I am a kind of anti vibration person really. It just cant describe enough things and people are too all over that idea of vibration. its usefull, like any language, but, there are things it cant do. quite alot. and you probably wont find any hard information from me you wouldnt find elsewhere ;) > I'm curious, what are your thoughts/explanations concerning 'non local activity' > within quantum mechanics? Why not i guess. They've got too much of it wrong anyway. Some right, some wrong. Wrong viewpoint especially but at least they are forced to see something "into the wierd" to get a better accuracy on things. ###### From: johnf@melbpc.org.au (John Fitzsimons) Newsgroups: alt.out-of-body Subject: Re: Never had a past life? Date: Wed, 02 Dec 1998 23:02:54 GMT Organization: Melbourne PC User Group Inc, Australia Lines: 33 Message-ID: <3669c3ab.6704098@news.melbpc.org.au> References: <4j182.1218$eb6.4457055@news21.bellglobal.com> <36629C33.A44E212E@netparadise.no> <366b142d.4784386@news.melbpc.org.au> NNTP-Posting-Host: bilby9.melbpc.org.au Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Newsreader: Forte Agent 1.5/32.451 Path: chonsp.franklin.ch!pfaff.ethz.ch!news-zh.switch.ch!newsfeed-zh.ip-plus.net!news-nyc.telia.net!news.maxwell.syr.edu!news.mel.connect.com.au!news2.melbpc.org.au!not-for-mail On Tue, 01 Dec 1998 20:26:36 +0000, asdfg@zxcv.net (Lan) wrote: < snip > >> The time that the soul actually attaches to the physical body can be >> at any time during the 9 months gestation and in some cases post >> birth. Many people hang around the intended mother for a while before >> committing to incarnation. If however they wait too long then the >> physical form can die when separated from the mother as it no longer >> has a spirit attached to keep it animated. >Where did you hear this? From people's regressions to the time they entered incarnation. Also from discussing this with spirit guides. >Any web pages or text files you can upload. My own ? :-) Actually, I haven't had time to write much about reincarnation on my vicnet pages. I might have a look at doing more early in the new year. :-) Regards, John. **************************************************** ,-._|\ John Fitzsimons - Melbourne, Australia. / Oz \ johnf@melbpc.org.au, Fidonet 3:632/309 \_,--.x/ http://www.vicnet.net.au/~johnf/welcome.htm v http://www.alphalink.com.au/~johnf/ ###### Message-ID: <3666B1D6.4BED8467@netparadise.no> Date: Thu, 03 Dec 1998 15:44:23 +0000 From: Lars Foleide X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.5 [en] (WinNT; I) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 Newsgroups: alt.out-of-body Subject: Re: Never had a past life? References: <36620393.E3473128@earthlink.nXXXet> <3662C72F.F8E8E86@sofnet.com> <366367DE.E99D6494@earthlink.nXXXet> <3664035A.1288396D@netparadise.no> <36645FC0.94B3920B@earthlink.nXXXet> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit NNTP-Posting-Host: t2o204p37.telia.com X-NNTP-Posting-Host: t2o204p37.telia.com Lines: 20 X-Complaints-To: abuse@telia.no Path: chonsp.franklin.ch!pfaff.ethz.ch!news-zh.switch.ch!news-ge.switch.ch!newscore.univie.ac.at!uninett.no!newsfeed1.telia.no!d2o204.telia.com!t2o204p37.telia.com chester basshead wrote: > > > > > > Could you tell some more about the book "Being and Vibration"? > > (Vibrations is another interest I have... you have have heard of Keely?) > > > > Gladly, Lars. :-D Here is a copy of an e-mail I sent my friends about it. It's not > math/science based but still a very amazing read in my opinion. I've heard a little of > John Keely (vibrational physics, etc..?) but I don't know much. Turn me on!! You can find tonz of information on this site: http://www.keelynet.com I have a book home about vibrations (Keely) that I haven't started on yet. Cheers, Lars ###### Date: Thu, 03 Dec 1998 18:30:10 +0000 From: asdfg@zxcv.net (Lan) Newsgroups: alt.out-of-body Subject: Re: Never had a past life? Message-ID: References: <4j182.1218$eb6.4457055@news21.bellglobal.com> <36629C33.A44E212E@netparadise.no> <366b142d.4784386@news.melbpc.org.au> <3669c3ab.6704098@news.melbpc.org.au> X-Newsreader: MT-NewsWatcher 2.4.4 NNTP-Posting-Host: 194.112.63.104 X-NNTP-Posting-Host: 194.112.63.104 X-Trace: 3 Dec 1998 18:30:00 GMT, 194.112.63.104 Lines: 2 X-NNTP-Posting-Host: 194.112.32.19 Path: chonsp.franklin.ch!pfaff.ethz.ch!news-zh.switch.ch!news-ge.switch.ch!newsfeed.uk.ibm.net!ibm.net!news-lond.gip.net!news.gsl.net!gip.net!btnet-peer!btnet!peer1.news.dircon.net!peer2.news.dircon.net!newsread3.dircon.co.uk!news.dircon.co.uk!asdfg Thanks anyway. ###### Date: Thu, 03 Dec 1998 18:57:26 +0000 From: asdfg@zxcv.net (Lan) Newsgroups: alt.out-of-body Subject: Re: Never had a past life? Message-ID: References: <36620393.E3473128@earthlink.nXXXet> <3662C72F.F8E8E86@sofnet.com> <366367DE.E99D6494@earthlink.nXXXet> <36645D4F.67672176@earthlink.nXXXet> <3665DB5B.DB543633@earthlink.nXXXet> X-Newsreader: MT-NewsWatcher 2.4.4 NNTP-Posting-Host: 194.112.63.104 X-NNTP-Posting-Host: 194.112.63.104 X-Trace: 3 Dec 1998 18:57:15 GMT, 194.112.63.104 Lines: 94 X-NNTP-Posting-Host: 194.112.32.19 Path: chonsp.franklin.ch!pfaff.ethz.ch!news-zh.switch.ch!newsfeed-zh.ip-plus.net!news-nyc.telia.net!news-feed1.eu.concert.net!btnet-peer!btnet!peer1.news.dircon.net!peer2.news.dircon.net!newsread3.dircon.co.uk!news.dircon.co.uk!asdfg > > I dont know about that. I am a kind of anti vibration person really. It > > just cant describe enough things and people are too all over that idea of > > vibration. its usefull, like any language, but, there are things it cant > > do. quite alot. and you probably wont find any hard information from me > > you wouldnt find elsewhere ;) > I'm interested in the 'hard information' of YOU and your mind, that's why I'm > posting to you. :-) Can you elaborate in more scientific terms the reasons you are > against vibration theories? If you blew through that book at 11 it's pretty obvious > you are a genius. I would love to pick your mind! No thanks its ok. And i dont really have much of a mind to pick nor would I liked it picked really. I'm suffering from enough radiation crap and no one seems to ever had any need for me. So i'm on my own in life unable to get work and being drained of energy by whichever fuckwit seeks to broadcast this EM shit at me. Theres a page on the internet on web site about EM crap, it has a few symptoms which people are meant to suffer and the reason why they suffer from it. Mainly the "muscle twitches" that are triggered off by certain thoughts. There was a sentance on that page I was unable to read because everytime i'd try i'd get a twich in my body. Well I read it eventually, but, its not a good situation i'm in. well as for the reasons, there are lots of people who would have thought the same things. Really. The only thing different from me and most people is that they conflict themselves and everyone else but I just take bits and pieces from here and there to make it all make sense. EVERYONE (well most people anyway) does that, but I think I must do it alot more. So..., ;) whatever I would say on that I think you could have found it elsewhere too. Well its just obvious really. I mean firstly vibration doesnt describe the thing that is vibrating and what properties it must have to make it vibrate in the first place. I'm not quite sure how vibration can describe time and space, seeing as it normally needs time and space firstly to be defined. ok, vibration might just need time and have another value vibrating, but that doesnt really describe much. How does a vibration describe space of n-dimensions? > > Why not i guess. They've got too much of it wrong anyway. Some right, some > > wrong. Wrong viewpoint especially but at least they are forced to see > > something "into the wierd" to get a better accuracy on things. > This is kind of vague. I have yet to encounter any 'hard' explanation for 'non local > activity' but there is no question it is real and has been proven. The holographic > model is the most sensible explanation I have encountered. What exactly do they you know of relativity. Even if it is correct (And some people think for good reasons its wrong) there are supposed to be 2 general solutions to it. One where there are objects in a 3d 1time place which objects can only move slower than light. And another in a 1d, 3 dimensions of time place where objects can move only faster than light. There is one possibility for you. > 'have wrong'? Too much of 'what' wrong? You can be as specific and scientific as you > want with me... I can hang. (well..when I can't I'll let you know, ha ha) well, its just wrong. Viewpoint especially. I mean its like what is best most of the time. Things wouldnt make sense or have enough space for structure if sometimes you pushed an object and momentum wasnt conserved and another time it wasnt conserved, but in a different way. You could have any sensible structure like that. the mathematics of physics only goes to describe what currently are the "best" and most sensible way of dealing with things. But by the time it gets to quantum mechanics, well i've seen a beginners book with the proper equations in it, and when you have 50 terms in a line all divided by other terms which are all composed from around 1 to 3 symbols of which you only know what half mean from your standard of mathematical learning and there are all sorts of "curl, div and grad" things which you havent studied yet, it gets a bit much. I mean I may learn fast but thats just repetetive things, which I am not good at. To me these equations probably are correct some of the time under "Standard" conditions, but they dont say why they are. not why as in "well its because of the so and so effect" but they dont say why? To me its because it is the best arrangement. So... Well its hard to describe but I think its quite obvious they've got their viewpoints wrong. As for non local activity. well why not. To be honest we know so little about most things, its hard to say much about any of these kind of things. By non local I think you mean faster than light or infinitespeed actions. Well why not. I mean theories are there to help you understand the world, not bring you away from it. Just re-do the equations if they dont fit, simple. re-do the viewpoint especially. Anyway, I gotta go ;) bye ###### From: "Bob Powers" Newsgroups: alt.out-of-body Subject: Re: Never had a past life? Date: 3 Dec 1998 19:40:29 GMT Organization: Posted via Supernews, http://www.supernews.com - Discussions start here! Lines: 48 Message-ID: <01be1ef5$271522f0$0206eecc@host2> References: <36620393.E3473128@earthlink.nXXXet> <3662C72F.F8E8E86@sofnet.com> <366367DE.E99D6494@earthlink.nXXXet> <36645D4F.67672176@earthlink.nXXXet> <3665DB5B.DB543633@earthlink.nXXXet> NNTP-Posting-Host: 216.41.30.104 X-Trace: 912714029 TWNY2XU9G1E68D829C usenet77.supernews.com X-Complaints-To: newsabuse@supernews.com X-Newsreader: Microsoft Internet News 4.70.1155 Path: chonsp.franklin.ch!pfaff.ethz.ch!news-zh.switch.ch!news.belnet.be!newsgate.cistron.nl!het.net!news-feed.inet.tele.dk!bofh.vszbr.cz!SupernewsUK!supernews.com!SnNA!Supernews69!not-for-mail Lan wrote in article ... > > > > No thanks its ok. And i dont really have much of a mind to pick nor would > I liked it picked really. I'm suffering from enough radiation crap and no > one seems to ever had any need for me. So i'm on my own in life unable to > get work and being drained of energy by whichever fuckwit seeks to > broadcast this EM shit at me. Theres a page on the internet on web site > about EM crap, it has a few symptoms which people are meant to suffer and > the reason why they suffer from it. Mainly the "muscle twitches" that are > triggered off by certain thoughts. There was a sentance on that page I was > unable to read because everytime i'd try i'd get a twich in my body. Well > I read it eventually, but, its not a good situation i'm in. > > Lan, if you're concerned about EM broadcasts perhaps there is a way for you to stop them from reaching you. Have you ever heard of a device called a 'Faraday Cage'. I've used such a device, on occasion, to do low signal electronic experiments which were very susceptible to noise from EM broadcast sources and other environmental signals. The form of the cage that I used was simply a large enclosure made of a highly conductive metal (such as copper or gilded copper mesh) with no open seams, and electrically grounded to earth by a solid copper lead. The structure looks somewhat like a screened-in gazebo only the screen is golden. I once did an experiment with a pair of walkie-talkies where a friend spoke into one of the walkie-takies and I listened on the other as I entered the cage and secured the door. My friend's signal to my walkie- talkie stopped the second that I closed the door. Maybe you can take a trip down to the Physics Department of your local Uni and see if they might not show you around a cryogenics lab where they might have such a cage. Then you could ask if you could step in and check whether you can sense the EM broadcasts go away. If so, all that you need to do is to set up some shielding for yourself and the EM broadcast problem is solved. -Bob P. ###### From: chester basshead Newsgroups: alt.out-of-body Subject: Re: Never had a past life? Date: Thu, 03 Dec 1998 21:06:57 -0800 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit References: <36620393.E3473128@earthlink.nXXXet> <3662C72F.F8E8E86@sofnet.com> <366367DE.E99D6494@earthlink.nXXXet> <36645D4F.67672176@earthlink.nXXXet> <3665DB5B.DB543633@earthlink.nXXXet> X-Posted-Path-Was: not-for-mail Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-ELN-Date: 4 Dec 1998 05:01:28 GMT X-ELN-Insert-Date: Thu Dec 3 21:05:09 1998 Organization: EarthLink Network, Inc. Lines: 34 Mime-Version: 1.0 NNTP-Posting-Host: 1cust121.tnt7.lax1.da.uu.net Message-ID: <36676DF0.67611CF0@earthlink.nXXXet> X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.05 [en] (Win95; I) Path: chonsp.franklin.ch!pfaff.ethz.ch!news-zh.switch.ch!news.belnet.be!newsfeed.wirehub.nl!cyclone.news.idirect.com!island.idirect.com!newsfeed1.earthlink.net!nntp.earthlink.net!posted-from-earthlink!not-for-mail Hi Lan. Thanks for responding. That EM stuff is totally foreign to me but I have seen others mention it before.. sorry to hear about it. I thought Bob's shielding idea was interesting. We are bombarded by so many different types of electromagnetic energy naturally that may affect us in many different ways.. to bring artificial aspects into the equation is even scarier.... I wish you the best. Sorry to hear you are down about some things. This may seem like a silly suggestion but at a period in my life when I was totally alone and down and depressed and stressed for a number of reasons, I sought meditational training and began meditating every day religiously and it basically changed (and continues to change) my life and brought a bit of inner peace to the whole equation. I still have my ups and downs, of course, but I feel that I have raised my baseline a bit. Personal training with someone can really help especially because those who dedicate themselves to such things tend to be very loving and compassionate people and I guarantee you will be of importance to them because they usually care deeply for everyone and everything. My instructor has fufilled the role of a therapist on more that one occassion.. and more than two.... and more than twenty. hee hee. As far as physics and quantum theory, I don't know much about the equations and math either... I have just been completely freaked out by non local activity for quite some time and obviously need to discuss it with others. I have delved into it pretty deeply and it has essentially turned aspects of my reality upside down.. but that's a good thing.... really! ;-) Take it easy! Peace and Love from Within, Brian