From: spicyjem@aol.comAstral4U (Spicy Jem) Newsgroups: alt.out-of-body Subject: A sad day for me Lines: 35 NNTP-Posting-Host: ladder03.news.aol.com X-Admin: news@aol.com Date: 25 Nov 1998 07:25:33 GMT Organization: AOL http://www.aol.com Message-ID: <19981125022533.03821.00000262@ng131.aol.com> Path: chonsp.franklin.ch!pfaff.ethz.ch!news-zh.switch.ch!news.belnet.be!news-raspail.gip.net!news-peer.gip.net!news.gsl.net!gip.net!portc01.blue.aol.com!audrey03.news.aol.com!not-for-mail Hello friends, About three hours ago, through teary eyes, I held the hand of my grandmother as she died right in front of me. It was the hardest thing I ever had to go through, and I am left feeling very distraught and saddened. As of a week ago, she was fine.....but due to some health complications, she was put on life support. The family had to decide what to do, and after a week of being on life support, we decided that it was time to take her off (since my grandmother herself only wanted to be on life support for two days). We took her off the breathing machine, and sedated her so she wouldn't get too agitated or uncomfortable. It lasted about 6 1/2 hours........until she finally just went to sleep. I can't tell you how heart-wrenching it was to watch a computer moniter displaying the life-signs of a loved one....watching the signs dwindle and dwindle, all along knowing that it's going to flatline, but not knowing when. I am now left feeling abandoned and alone (most of these feelings are self-inflicted, perhaps due to a poor self image, or just my crazy way of grieving). The only reason why I am bringing this up right now is to get it off my chest (and because I care for you all as my friends, and any words of encouragement can only help me). I also would like to have an OOBE and maybe make contact with her (if possible). This would help reassure me, and maybe comfort her in this new situation that she is in (outside of this physical world). Thanks for listening....... <3 Jeff Mash <3 To email me, remove the "Astral4U" in the address. "There's nothing to fear except fear itself...Oh...plus rejection and physical harm!" Need a laugh? Go to www.vertigy.com/jokemail ###### Message-ID: <365BB858.4F18B0C4@hotmail.com> From: Bast X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.5 [en] (Win98; I) X-Accept-Language: en,fr-CA MIME-Version: 1.0 Newsgroups: alt.out-of-body Subject: Re: A sad day for me References: <19981125022533.03821.00000262@ng131.aol.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Lines: 10 Date: Wed, 25 Nov 1998 02:57:12 -0500 NNTP-Posting-Host: 207.96.230.116 X-Complaints-To: abuse@videotron.net X-Trace: weber.videotron.net 911980764 207.96.230.116 (Wed, 25 Nov 1998 02:59:24 EDT) NNTP-Posting-Date: Wed, 25 Nov 1998 02:59:24 EDT Path: chonsp.franklin.ch!pfaff.ethz.ch!news-zh.switch.ch!news-ge.switch.ch!news.maxwell.syr.edu!sunqbc.risq.qc.ca!wesley.videotron.net!weber.videotron.net.POSTED!not-for-mail I am really sorry to hear that... The same thing happened to me a year ago. My grand-mother suddenly fell on the floor and never woke up. After a week on life support, we decided to take her ....off. I didn't want to be there when she died tough, you are stronger than me Jem. I am writing to you because, after a year, I still miss my grandma a lot but I believe, if she is still around somewhere, that she is happier than she was alive. You are not alone.. ###### From: Rebecca de Haan Newsgroups: alt.out-of-body Subject: Re: A sad day for me Date: Wed, 25 Nov 1998 12:52:01 +0100 Organization: XS4ALL, networking for the masses Lines: 47 Message-ID: <365BEF61.3D7BAA08@xs4all.nl> References: <19981125022533.03821.00000262@ng131.aol.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: dc2-modem2339.dial.xs4all.nl Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-NNTP-Posting-Host: dc2-modem2339.dial.xs4all.nl [194.109.137.35] X-XS4ALL-Date: Wed, 25 Nov 1998 12:52:18 CET X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.06 [nl] (Win95; I) Path: chonsp.franklin.ch!pfaff.ethz.ch!news-zh.switch.ch!news.belnet.be!newsgate.cistron.nl!het.net!news.cs.utwente.nl!xs4all!not-for-mail Dear Jem, I am so sorry for you. It is so painful to loose someone you love. there not a whole lot more I can say I guess, just wanted to let you know I feel for you. Good luck on the OBE, maybe you will be able to contact her. I hope so. love Becca Spicy Jem schreef: > Hello friends, > > About three hours ago, through teary eyes, I held the hand of my grandmother as > she died right in front of me. It was the hardest thing I ever had to go > through, and I am left feeling very distraught and saddened. As of a week ago, > she was fine.....but due to some health complications, she was put on life > support. The family had to decide what to do, and after a week of being on > life support, we decided that it was time to take her off (since my grandmother > herself only wanted to be on life support for two days). > > We took her off the breathing machine, and sedated her so she wouldn't get too > agitated or uncomfortable. It lasted about 6 1/2 hours........until she > finally just went to sleep. I can't tell you how heart-wrenching it was to > watch a computer moniter displaying the life-signs of a loved one....watching > the signs dwindle and dwindle, all along knowing that it's going to flatline, > but not knowing when. > > I am now left feeling abandoned and alone (most of these feelings are > self-inflicted, perhaps due to a poor self image, or just my crazy way of > grieving). The only reason why I am bringing this up right now is to get it > off my chest (and because I care for you all as my friends, and any words of > encouragement can only help me). > > I also would like to have an OOBE and maybe make contact with her (if > possible). This would help reassure me, and maybe comfort her in this new > situation that she is in (outside of this physical world). Thanks for > listening....... > > <3 Jeff Mash <3 > To email me, remove the "Astral4U" in the address. > > "There's nothing to fear except fear itself...Oh...plus rejection and physical > harm!" > > Need a laugh? Go to www.vertigy.com/jokemail ###### From: clairity@webtv.net Newsgroups: alt.out-of-body Subject: Re: A sad day for me Date: Wed, 25 Nov 1998 15:31:21 GMT Organization: Deja News - The Leader in Internet Discussion Lines: 52 Message-ID: <73h7sa$ubd$1@nnrp1.dejanews.com> References: <19981125022533.03821.00000262@ng131.aol.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: 32.97.110.73 X-Article-Creation-Date: Wed Nov 25 15:31:21 1998 GMT X-Http-User-Agent: Mozilla/2.02 (OS/2; U) X-Http-Proxy: 1.0 x10.dejanews.com:80 (Squid/1.1.22) for client 32.97.110.73 Path: chonsp.franklin.ch!pfaff.ethz.ch!news-zh.switch.ch!news.belnet.be!news-raspail.gip.net!news-dc.gip.net!news-peer.gip.net!news.gsl.net!gip.net!news.maxwell.syr.edu!nntp2.dejanews.com!nnrp1.dejanews.com!not-for-mail Oh Jeff, I am so sorry to hear about your grandmother. To lose someone so close is hard but to be there with them when they cross over is a mixed blessing.. it is so difficult.. but would you have wanted to be anywhere else? You respected her wishes and you let her go. You were with her and I believe with all my heart that she knew you were there and that she felt your love. The mother in me wants so much to give you a hug and somehow make it all better.. but only time can do that..and with time, it will get better. If I could *will* someone an OOBE, it would be you. I will think about you this weekend and if I somehow get out, I'll try to find you.. Take care, Clairity > spicyjem@aol.comAstral4U (Spicy Jem) wrote: > > Hello friends, > > About three hours ago, through teary eyes, I held the hand of my grandmother > as she died right in front of me. It was the hardest thing I ever had to go > through, and I am left feeling very distraught and saddened. As of a week o, > ago, she was fine.....but due to some health complications, she was put on > life support. The family had to decide what to do, and after a week of being > on life support, we decided that it was time to take her off (since my > grandmother herself only wanted to be on life support for two days). > > We took her off the breathing machine, and sedated her so she wouldn't get > too agitated or uncomfortable. It lasted about 6 1/2 hours........until she > finally just went to sleep. I can't tell you how heart-wrenching it was to > watch a computer moniter displaying the life-signs of a loved one....watching > the signs dwindle and dwindle, all along knowing that it's going to flatline, > but not knowing when. > > I am now left feeling abandoned and alone (most of these feelings are > self-inflicted, perhaps due to a poor self image, or just my crazy way of > grieving). The only reason why I am bringing this up right now is to get it > off my chest (and because I care for you all as my friends, and any words of > encouragement can only help me). > > I also would like to have an OOBE and maybe make contact with her (if > possible). This would help reassure me, and maybe comfort her in this new > situation that she is in (outside of this physical world). Thanks for > listening....... > > Jeff Mash -----------== Posted via Deja News, The Discussion Network ==---------- http://www.dejanews.com/ Search, Read, Discuss, or Start Your Own ###### From: "Bart" Newsgroups: alt.out-of-body Subject: Re: A sad day for me Date: Wed, 25 Nov 1998 19:32:10 -0500 Organization: ICGNetcom Lines: 75 Message-ID: <73i7t3$e0n@sjx-ixn5.ix.netcom.com> References: <19981125022533.03821.00000262@ng131.aol.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: clv-oh42-02.ix.netcom.com X-NETCOM-Date: Wed Nov 25 4:37:55 PM PST 1998 X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.3110.1 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.3110.3 Path: chonsp.franklin.ch!pfaff.ethz.ch!news-zh.switch.ch!news.belnet.be!news-raspail.gip.net!news-peer.gip.net!news.gsl.net!gip.net!ix.netcom.com!news Spicy Jem wrote in message <19981125022533.03821.00000262@ng131.aol.com>... I'm very sorry to hear of your loss. Everyone goes away eventually, but knowing that doesn't make it any easier. I was working on some hospital equipment in ICU a couple of years back. There was an elderly man on a ventilator. I couldn't see him, but I could hear his gurgling and uncontrolled coughing. I could also hear his elderly wife, desperately trying to comfort him - telling him what a wonderful person he was, how much she loved him, how happy she was to be there with him at that moment, reminding him of happier times, and all kinds of other things. I suspect that the nurses never had to do much in that room as I'm certain she provided all the care he needed. I wanted to go in and hug her because I could tell that his passing was affecting every inch of her body, mind, and soul - and she was trying so hard to make sure he knew he was loved and that his life really meant something to her. It was all I could do to keep from crying right there on the spot because that's the way I would have acted if I was given a chance to say good-bye to my wife. You have a plus here - you got a chance to say good-bye. That's more than many people get. >I am now left feeling abandoned You were not abandoned. She didn't intentionally leave. She had to know there was no hope or she wouldn't have asked to stay on life support for only 2 days. It seems to me that she accepted death with dignity and without fear. >and alone You are not alone. But I do understand that grief usually envelopes you to the point you feel seperated from everyone else. It's very humbling. Grief is good and you have a right to go through it - but watch your step. When grief gets out of control, it can send you so deep within yourself that you can't see things around you - nobody can reach you - reality becomes a nightmare. Then you are on your own for sure. The door you walked through, into that darkness, gets sealed behind you and you are left to wander around in that abyss until you find another door to get out of it. I'm a perfect example of that. I doubt your grandmother would want you to go that far. >(most of these feelings are >self-inflicted, perhaps due to a poor self image, or just my crazy way of >grieving). I understand... Those who have passed are finished with their suffering (unless they intentionally caused others major suffering while alive - which is not something I think your grandmother was prone to do, since you loved her so much). The survivors are the ones who suffer. It's not totally self inflicted. Losing a loved one is not so much different from losing an arm or a leg. A loved one is an extention of yourself, and when they are gone, so are the things you could once do through them. So, don't let anyone try to take your grief away from you, but, don't let grief take *YOU* away from you. >I also would like to have an OOBE and maybe make contact with her (if >possible). This would help reassure me, and maybe comfort her in this new >situation that she is in (outside of this physical world). This is a worthy goal for OBE. I hope it happens for you. >Thanks for >listening....... Thanks for trusting us. ><3 Jeff Mash <3 Bart ###### From: "Bart" Newsgroups: alt.out-of-body Subject: Re: A sad day for me Date: Wed, 25 Nov 1998 19:57:43 -0500 Organization: ICGNetcom Lines: 29 Message-ID: <73i9af$f62@sjx-ixn5.ix.netcom.com> References: <19981125022533.03821.00000262@ng131.aol.com> <365daea4.1620342@news.dial.pipex.com> <365e7bc8.5596042@news.melbpc.org.au> NNTP-Posting-Host: clv-oh42-02.ix.netcom.com X-NETCOM-Date: Wed Nov 25 5:02:07 PM PST 1998 X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.3110.1 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.3110.3 Path: chonsp.franklin.ch!pfaff.ethz.ch!news-zh.switch.ch!news.belnet.be!newsfeed.wirehub.nl!newspeer1.nac.net!netnews.com!ix.netcom.com!news John Fitzsimons wrote in message <365e7bc8.5596042@news.melbpc.org.au>... >I hadn't seen my ex- fiancé for some months after she died and when >I did get to see her she was still recovering in the astral hospital. >It was considered "appropriate" that I NOT talk to her at that time. >As it could slow down her transition into the spirit world. > >Seeing people too soon after their passing can result in those people >becoming earthbound. NOT a desirable situation if one cares anything >for the person who has died. > >Regards, John. In my attempt to visit my wife (not yet "ex" at the time), there was somebody there with her. She was not dead, but she was in a vulnerable state. It seems that he was there, not only to help me, but to protect her. I would hope that there are protectors for the recently dead so that travelers would not inadvertantly mess them up like I probably would have done had that guy not been there with my wife. I think it is possible to protect a healing soul while, at the same time, permit another soul some comfort in their grief and confusion. Bart ###### From: johnf@melbpc.org.au (John Fitzsimons) Newsgroups: alt.out-of-body Subject: Re: A sad day for me Date: Wed, 25 Nov 1998 22:08:46 GMT Organization: Melbourne PC User Group Inc, Australia Lines: 57 Message-ID: <365e7bc8.5596042@news.melbpc.org.au> References: <19981125022533.03821.00000262@ng131.aol.com> <365daea4.1620342@news.dial.pipex.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: b3-3.melbpc.org.au Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Newsreader: Forte Agent 1.5/32.451 Path: chonsp.franklin.ch!pfaff.ethz.ch!news-zh.switch.ch!news.belnet.be!news-raspail.gip.net!news-peer.gip.net!news.gsl.net!gip.net!news.maxwell.syr.edu!news.mel.connect.com.au!news2.melbpc.org.au!not-for-mail On Thu, 26 Nov 1998 19:50:41 GMT, hawksmoor@dial.pipex.com (Julia Hawkes-Moore) wrote: < snip > >Try looking for her in the Astral Hospital - call her name and ask to >go to the hospital to find her. I would suggest NOT doing this at this time. >It seems to be a cool, light, white, >pleasant place between states, where the recently dead are healed and >energised ready to move on to their next plane. I have been there to >meet a friend who had been very ill for years, and who had died nine >months previously. Nine months is a totally different situation than a day or so. >She had been healed and had called me there to give >me a message before she passed on to the afterlife. I was happy to see >her and to pass on the message. If Jeff is strongly focussed on her then he may well project to her irrespective of what SHE may want/need most at this time. > But remember that your grandmother may not call you to see her; she >may be more involved in meeting lost friends from her own past. If you >do get to meet her, be grateful for that happy gift; don't expect it >to happen to you. I would suggest a less selfish approach. Jeff can (should ?) be praying that the forces of God assist his grandmother in the manner that will give her most assistance, at this time, consistent with her highest spiritual good. If/when it is *appropriate* that he spend some time with her then he will be able to do that if he prays for help in knowing just when that might be. I hadn't seen my ex- fiancé for some months after she died and when I did get to see her she was still recovering in the astral hospital. It was considered "appropriate" that I NOT talk to her at that time. As it could slow down her transition into the spirit world. Seeing people too soon after their passing can result in those people becoming earthbound. NOT a desirable situation if one cares anything for the person who has died. Regards, John. **************************************************** ,-._|\ John Fitzsimons - Melbourne, Australia. / Oz \ johnf@melbpc.org.au, Fidonet 3:632/309 \_,--.x/ http://www.vicnet.net.au/~johnf/welcome.htm v http://www.alphalink.com.au/~johnf/ ###### Message-ID: <365C916F.3C7E@geocities.com> From: Life-Saver Reply-To: life-saver@geocities.com Organization: none X-Mailer: Mozilla 3.01Gold (Win95; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 Newsgroups: alt.out-of-body Subject: Re: A sad day for me References: <19981125022533.03821.00000262@ng131.aol.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Lines: 19 Date: Wed, 25 Nov 1998 23:25:00 GMT NNTP-Posting-Host: 206.172.247.18 NNTP-Posting-Date: Wed, 25 Nov 1998 18:25:00 EDT Path: chonsp.franklin.ch!pfaff.ethz.ch!news-zh.switch.ch!news-ge.switch.ch!news.maxwell.syr.edu!sunqbc.risq.qc.ca!news3.bellglobal.com!news1.bellglobal.com!news20.bellglobal.com.POSTED!not-for-mail My grand-father's death was sad too (as any) but he was in a hospital, on morphine I think. He was so delusionnal... he though the clip on the plastic bag's tube, (that reduce the amount of liquid going through it) was a key, and he was trying to unlock an imaginary door... this was a sad moment, because my Grand father always had been an intelligent man in my life... but seeing him so confuesed by those stupid drugs made me realize how hospitals are cruel to make them so delusionnal, that the last memory we have of them, is a fake. I still remember when I was 5 or 6, he offered me a big flash light for a toy... I was really happy althow it wasn't a toy. Maybe because the gift was made with soo much love!. (man! I'm having tears running out of my eyes right now!) I hate the treatment hospitals does to them. I would ratter suffer my last moments in peace, than giving a nightmare to my family. all my sympathy for your grand-ma. Life-Saver life-saver@geocities.com http://www.geocities.com/area51/lair/5498 ###### From: in@my.sig (Diane) Newsgroups: alt.out-of-body Subject: Re: A sad day for me Date: Thu, 26 Nov 1998 02:10:34 GMT Organization: United States Internet, Inc. Lines: 66 Message-ID: <365db88a.424597262@news.usit.net> References: <19981125022533.03821.00000262@ng131.aol.com> Reply-To: in@my.sig NNTP-Posting-Host: dialup290.vabla.usit.net Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Trace: news.usit.net 912046443 16387 208.24.74.141 (26 Nov 1998 02:14:03 GMT) NNTP-Posting-Date: 26 Nov 1998 02:14:03 GMT X-Newsreader: Forte Agent 1.5/16.451 Path: chonsp.franklin.ch!pfaff.ethz.ch!news-zh.switch.ch!news.belnet.be!newsfeed.wirehub.nl!newsfeed.usit.net!news.usit.net!not-for-mail Jeff, I'm so sorry about your loss. I've lost two grandparents and not a day goes by that I don't long for them, especially now that I have a daughter. I wish so much that she could've known them. I recently came across a poem that touched me so deeply, I think of it whenever I start feeling lonely for my Grandma and Grandpa. I thought it might help you to see it as well: Do not stand beside my grave and weep, For I am not there, I do not sleep, I am a thousand winds that blow, I am the diamond's glint on snow, I am the sunlight on ripened grain, I am the gentle autumn's rain. When you awaken in morning's hush, I am the swift uplifting rush, of quiet birds in circle flight, I am soft stars that shine at night, Do not stand beside my grave and cry, I am not there. I did not die. (author unknown) Diane cafal at yahoo dot com spicyjem@aol.comAstral4U (Spicy Jem) wrote on 25 Nov 1998 07:25:33 GMT: >Hello friends, > >About three hours ago, through teary eyes, I held the hand of my grandmother as >she died right in front of me. It was the hardest thing I ever had to go >through, and I am left feeling very distraught and saddened. As of a week ago, >she was fine.....but due to some health complications, she was put on life >support. The family had to decide what to do, and after a week of being on >life support, we decided that it was time to take her off (since my grandmother >herself only wanted to be on life support for two days). > >We took her off the breathing machine, and sedated her so she wouldn't get too >agitated or uncomfortable. It lasted about 6 1/2 hours........until she >finally just went to sleep. I can't tell you how heart-wrenching it was to >watch a computer moniter displaying the life-signs of a loved one....watching >the signs dwindle and dwindle, all along knowing that it's going to flatline, >but not knowing when. > >I am now left feeling abandoned and alone (most of these feelings are >self-inflicted, perhaps due to a poor self image, or just my crazy way of >grieving). The only reason why I am bringing this up right now is to get it >off my chest (and because I care for you all as my friends, and any words of >encouragement can only help me). > >I also would like to have an OOBE and maybe make contact with her (if >possible). This would help reassure me, and maybe comfort her in this new >situation that she is in (outside of this physical world). Thanks for >listening....... > ><3 Jeff Mash <3 >To email me, remove the "Astral4U" in the address. > >"There's nothing to fear except fear itself...Oh...plus rejection and physical >harm!" > >Need a laugh? Go to www.vertigy.com/jokemail ###### Message-ID: <365C5BA0.A40ADCA1@the.end.of.the.message> Date: Thu, 26 Nov 1998 06:33:52 +1100 From: Craig Organization: Deja Vous X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.05 [en] (Win95; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 Newsgroups: alt.out-of-body Subject: Re: A sad day for me References: <19981125022533.03821.00000262@ng131.aol.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit NNTP-Posting-Host: 203.18.28.2 X-Trace: 26 Nov 1998 07:36:07 +1000, 203.18.28.2 Lines: 56 Path: chonsp.franklin.ch!pfaff.ethz.ch!news-zh.switch.ch!newsfeed-zh.ip-plus.net!news-nyc.telia.net!dca1-hub1.news.digex.net!digex!cyclone.i1.net!uunet!in5.uu.net!nap-ns1!203.18.28.2 I'm sorry for your loss Jeff. :-( It's always hard letting go of someone close and dear to us. When my grandmother died I couldn't be there, and I wish for the life of me I could have. :-( But, I am sure I will see her, or feel her again one day and I know you know you will do the same. :-) Hold on to those memories Jeff. My sympathy to you and your family. ............... Craig Spicy Jem wrote: > > Hello friends, > > About three hours ago, through teary eyes, I held the hand of my grandmother as > she died right in front of me. It was the hardest thing I ever had to go > through, and I am left feeling very distraught and saddened. As of a week ago, > she was fine.....but due to some health complications, she was put on life > support. The family had to decide what to do, and after a week of being on > life support, we decided that it was time to take her off (since my grandmother > herself only wanted to be on life support for two days). > > We took her off the breathing machine, and sedated her so she wouldn't get too > agitated or uncomfortable. It lasted about 6 1/2 hours........until she > finally just went to sleep. I can't tell you how heart-wrenching it was to > watch a computer moniter displaying the life-signs of a loved one....watching > the signs dwindle and dwindle, all along knowing that it's going to flatline, > but not knowing when. > > I am now left feeling abandoned and alone (most of these feelings are > self-inflicted, perhaps due to a poor self image, or just my crazy way of > grieving). The only reason why I am bringing this up right now is to get it > off my chest (and because I care for you all as my friends, and any words of > encouragement can only help me). > > I also would like to have an OOBE and maybe make contact with her (if > possible). This would help reassure me, and maybe comfort her in this new > situation that she is in (outside of this physical world). Thanks for > listening....... > > <3 Jeff Mash <3 > To email me, remove the "Astral4U" in the address. > > "There's nothing to fear except fear itself...Oh...plus rejection and physical > harm!" > > Need a laugh? Go to www.vertigy.com/jokemail -- The sure way to make a thing impossible- -is to think it so. --- Franklin To respond, delete _nospam_ scrappy@_nospam_netconnect.com.au -- ###### From: hawksmoor@dial.pipex.com (Julia Hawkes-Moore) Newsgroups: alt.out-of-body Subject: Re: A sad day for me Date: Thu, 26 Nov 1998 19:50:41 GMT Organization: UUNET WorldCom server (post doesn't reflect views of UUNET WorldCom) Lines: 41 Message-ID: <365daea4.1620342@news.dial.pipex.com> References: <19981125022533.03821.00000262@ng131.aol.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: aa210.du.pipex.com X-Newsreader: Forte Free Agent 1.1/16.230 Path: chonsp.franklin.ch!pfaff.ethz.ch!news-zh.switch.ch!newsfeed-zh.ip-plus.net!news-nyc.telia.net!masternews.telia.net!newsfeed1.swip.net!swipnet!rill.news.pipex.net!pipex!bore.news.pipex.net!pipex!not-for-mail On 25 Nov 1998 07:25:33 GMT, spicyjem@aol.comAstral4U (Spicy Jem) wrote: >About three hours ago, through teary eyes, I held the hand of my grandmother as >she died right in front of me. It was the hardest thing I ever had to go >through, and I am left feeling very distraught and saddened. As of a week ago, >she was fine.....but due to some health complications, she was put on life >support. The family had to decide what to do, and after a week of being on >life support, we decided that it was time to take her off (since my grandmother >herself only wanted to be on life support for two days). snip for space >I am now left feeling abandoned and alone (most of these feelings are >self-inflicted, perhaps due to a poor self image, or just my crazy way of >grieving). The only reason why I am bringing this up right now is to get it >off my chest (and because I care for you all as my friends, and any words of >encouragement can only help me). All natural responses. Have you felt angry with her yet? Angry with yourself for being alive? You will feel al;l sorts of strange emotions. Don't be surprised. We understand. She understands. >I also would like to have an OOBE and maybe make contact with her (if >possible). This would help reassure me, and maybe comfort her in this new >situation that she is in (outside of this physical world). Thanks for >listening....... Try looking for her in the Astral Hospital - call her name and ask to go to the hospital to find her. It seems to be a cool, light, white, pleasant place between states, where the recently dead are healed and energised ready to move on to their next plane. I have been there to meet a friend who had been very ill for years, and who had died nine months previously. She had been healed and had called me there to give me a message before she passed on to the afterlife. I was happy to see her and to pass on the message. But remember that your grandmother may not call you to see her; she may be more involved in meeting lost friends from her own past. If you do get to meet her, be grateful for that happy gift; don't expect it to happen to you. I feel for you, Jeff. You will learn much from this experience. All best wishes, Julia Hawkes-Moore. ###### From: spicyjem@aol.comAstral4U (Spicy Jem) Newsgroups: alt.out-of-body Subject: Re: A sad day for me Lines: 22 NNTP-Posting-Host: ladder03.news.aol.com X-Admin: news@aol.com Date: 26 Nov 1998 21:01:59 GMT Organization: AOL http://www.aol.com References: <365daea4.1620342@news.dial.pipex.com> Message-ID: <19981126160159.07630.00000694@ng-cr1.aol.com> Path: chonsp.franklin.ch!pfaff.ethz.ch!news-zh.switch.ch!news.belnet.be!newsgate.cistron.nl!het.net!news-feed.inet.tele.dk!bofh.vszbr.cz!newshub.northeast.verio.net!news-peer.gip.net!news.gsl.net!gip.net!portc01.blue.aol.com!audrey03.news.aol.com!not-for-mail Julia wrote: "Try looking for her in the Astral Hospital - call her name and ask to go to the hospital to find her. It seems to be a cool, light, white, pleasant place between states, where the recently dead are healed and energised ready to move on to their next plane." This is what I plan to do, Julia. So far, any attempts to OOBE have been unsuccessful. I would like to try it from a reclining position (like in a comfortable chair), but I dont have anything like that. Most of the chairs I have are not comfortable enough to try to an induce an OOBE. My grandmother did have a nice reclining chair, but before I make a claim to it, I have to see what the family thinks. I mean, I dont really have any room for this chair in my place right now, but it would help me in my projections (possibly). <3 Jeff Mash <3 To email me, remove the "Astral4U" in the address. "There's nothing to fear except fear itself...Oh...plus rejection and physical harm!" Need a laugh? Go to www.vertigy.com/jokemail ###### From: spicyjem@aol.comAstral4U (Spicy Jem) Newsgroups: alt.out-of-body Subject: Re: A sad day for me Lines: 31 NNTP-Posting-Host: ladder03.news.aol.com X-Admin: news@aol.com Date: 26 Nov 1998 21:06:41 GMT Organization: AOL http://www.aol.com References: <365e7bc8.5596042@news.melbpc.org.au> Message-ID: <19981126160641.07630.00000695@ng-cr1.aol.com> Path: chonsp.franklin.ch!pfaff.ethz.ch!news-zh.switch.ch!news-ge.switch.ch!news.maxwell.syr.edu!news-peer.gip.net!news.gsl.net!gip.net!portc01.blue.aol.com!audrey03.news.aol.com!not-for-mail >If Jeff is strongly focussed on her then he may well project to her >irrespective of what SHE may want/need most at this time. > I believe this, John. >I would suggest a less selfish approach. Jeff can (should ?) be >praying that the forces of God assist his grandmother in the manner >that will give her most assistance, at this time, consistent with her >highest spiritual good. > I try and do that as well. >If/when it is *appropriate* that he spend some time with her then he >will be able to do that if he prays for help in knowing just when that >might be. > I am hoping that if I do see her, whether that be tomorrow or ten years from now, that this will mean that it was meant to happen. But I would not be suprised to find myself doing other things while out of body instead of looking for dead relatives. =) <3 Jeff Mash <3 To email me, remove the "Astral4U" in the address. "There's nothing to fear except fear itself...Oh...plus rejection and physical harm!" Need a laugh? Go to www.vertigy.com/jokemail ###### From: ".Nisaba Merrieweather" Newsgroups: alt.out-of-body Subject: Re: A sad day for me Date: 27 Nov 1998 10:35:18 GMT Organization: Terry Anthony Computers Lines: 52 Message-ID: <01be19f1$44ef51a0$LocalHost@default> References: <19981125022533.03821.00000262@ng131.aol.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: 203.102.210.3 X-Trace: news.mel.aone.net.au 912162918 21750 203.102.210.3 (27 Nov 1998 10:35:18 GMT) NNTP-Posting-Date: 27 Nov 1998 10:35:18 GMT X-Newsreader: Microsoft Internet News 4.70.1161 Cache-Post-Path: slave.tac.com.au!unknown@diale40.gos.tac.com.au X-Cache: nntpcache 2.3.2.1 (see http://www.nntpcache.org/) Path: chonsp.franklin.ch!pfaff.ethz.ch!news-zh.switch.ch!news.belnet.be!newsgate.cistron.nl!het.net!newspump.monmouth.com!newspeer.monmouth.com!news.maxwell.syr.edu!news.mel.connect.com.au!news.mel.aone.net.au!newsfeed-in.aone.net.au!not-for-mail Hi there. Spicy Jem wrote in article <19981125022533.03821.00000262@ng131.aol.com>... > About three hours ago, through teary eyes, I held the hand of my grandmother as > she died right in front of me..... > The only reason why I am bringing this up right now is to get it > off my chest (and because I care for you all as my friends, and any words of > encouragement can only help me). > > I also would like to have an OOBE and maybe make contact with her (if > possible). This would help reassure me, and maybe comfort her in this new > situation that she is in (outside of this physical world). Thanks for > listening....... Well, in a deeply emotional state you will have very little control, and if you do go out of body, you may not be self-possessed enough to trace her, locate her and make valid contact. Instead, why not make yourself receptive to her contacts to you? The recently-dead are aware of the pain of their loved ones, nad often try to make contact. Be open to dreams of her, or of seeing a fleeting glimpse of her face in a crowd, or a voice sounding like her voice in background-sounds, or a shape in the corner of your eye, or a sense of comfort (or an actual sensation like a hand on your shoulder) when you are thinking of her, or a mental voice in your head saying what she might have said. My former partner's grandfather made contact with him on and off for over fourteen years, once even making contact with me in a dream instead of him even though he had never known me, simply because my partner was doing a planned meditation, making his mind somewhat like an engaged phone line, and I was the nearest possible point of contact to get a message through to him. If she has any pressing messages, she will use whatever she needs to do to get them through. If she doesn't she will still be aware of your distress and probably won't form such clear images for you to notice but will convey a sense of comfort and love anyway. -- .Nisaba Merrieweather nisaba@tac.com.au ###### From: johnf@melbpc.org.au (John Fitzsimons) Newsgroups: alt.out-of-body Subject: Re: A sad day for me Date: Fri, 27 Nov 1998 20:36:16 GMT Organization: Melbourne PC User Group Inc, Australia Lines: 49 Message-ID: <366296b7.54284082@news.melbpc.org.au> References: <19981125022533.03821.00000262@ng131.aol.com> <365daea4.1620342@news.dial.pipex.com> <365e7bc8.5596042@news.melbpc.org.au> <73i9af$f62@sjx-ixn5.ix.netcom.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: b3-57.melbpc.org.au Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Newsreader: Forte Agent 1.5/32.451 Path: chonsp.franklin.ch!pfaff.ethz.ch!news-zh.switch.ch!newsfeed-zh.ip-plus.net!news-nyc.telia.net!news.maxwell.syr.edu!news.mel.connect.com.au!news2.melbpc.org.au!not-for-mail On Wed, 25 Nov 1998 19:57:43 -0500, "Bart" wrote: >John Fitzsimons wrote in message <365e7bc8.5596042@news.melbpc.org.au>... >>I hadn't seen my ex- fiancé for some months after she died and when >>I did get to see her she was still recovering in the astral hospital. >>It was considered "appropriate" that I NOT talk to her at that time. >>As it could slow down her transition into the spirit world. >>Seeing people too soon after their passing can result in those people >>becoming earthbound. NOT a desirable situation if one cares anything >>for the person who has died. >>Regards, John. >In my attempt to visit my wife (not yet "ex" at the time), there was >somebody there with her. She was not dead, but she was in a vulnerable >state. It seems that he was there, not only to help me, but to protect her. We all have "guards" if we want them to help. However many people do not call upon the help that is often just feet away from them. >I would hope that there are protectors for the recently dead so that >travelers would not inadvertantly mess them Because one *can* protect someone it doesn't follow that they *will* protect someone. If astral "protectors" interceded without request then obsession/ possession wouldn't be the problem it often is in our current society. >up like I probably would have >done had that guy not been there with my wife. I think it is possible to >protect a healing soul while, at the same time, permit another soul some >comfort in their grief and confusion. Because something is *possible* it doesn't mean it will happen. Regards, John. **************************************************** ,-._|\ John Fitzsimons - Melbourne, Australia. / Oz \ johnf@melbpc.org.au, Fidonet 3:632/309 \_,--.x/ http://www.vicnet.net.au/~johnf/welcome.htm v http://www.alphalink.com.au/~johnf/ ###### From: chester basshead Newsgroups: alt.out-of-body Subject: Re: A sad day for me Date: Sun, 29 Nov 1998 19:56:03 -0800 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit References: <19981125022533.03821.00000262@ng131.aol.com> X-Posted-Path-Was: not-for-mail Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-ELN-Date: 30 Nov 1998 03:51:35 GMT X-ELN-Insert-Date: Sun Nov 29 19:55:13 1998 Organization: EarthLink Network, Inc. Lines: 60 Mime-Version: 1.0 NNTP-Posting-Host: 1cust85.tnt5.lax1.da.uu.net Message-ID: <36621752.AD09643C@earthlink.nXXXet> X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.05 [en] (Win95; I) Path: chonsp.franklin.ch!pfaff.ethz.ch!news-zh.switch.ch!newsfeed-zh.ip-plus.net!news-nyc.telia.net!howland.erols.net!newsfeed.wli.net!su-news-hub1.bbnplanet.com!la-news-feed1.bbnplanet.com!news.gtei.net!newsfeed1.earthlink.net!nntp.earthlink.net!posted-from-earthlink!not-for-mail Spicy Jem wrote: > Hello friends, > > About three hours ago, through teary eyes, I held the hand of my grandmother as > she died right in front of me. It was the hardest thing I ever had to go > through, and I am left feeling very distraught and saddened. As of a week ago, > she was fine.....but due to some health complications, she was put on life > support. The family had to decide what to do, and after a week of being on > life support, we decided that it was time to take her off (since my grandmother > herself only wanted to be on life support for two days). > > We took her off the breathing machine, and sedated her so she wouldn't get too > agitated or uncomfortable. It lasted about 6 1/2 hours........until she > finally just went to sleep. I can't tell you how heart-wrenching it was to > watch a computer moniter displaying the life-signs of a loved one....watching > the signs dwindle and dwindle, all along knowing that it's going to flatline, > but not knowing when. > > I am now left feeling abandoned and alone (most of these feelings are > self-inflicted, perhaps due to a poor self image, or just my crazy way of > grieving). The only reason why I am bringing this up right now is to get it > off my chest (and because I care for you all as my friends, and any words of > encouragement can only help me). > > I also would like to have an OOBE and maybe make contact with her (if > possible). This would help reassure me, and maybe comfort her in this new > situation that she is in (outside of this physical world). Thanks for > listening....... > > <3 Jeff Mash <3 > To email me, remove the "Astral4U" in the address. > > "There's nothing to fear except fear itself...Oh...plus rejection and physical > harm!" > > Need a laugh? Go to www.vertigy.com/jokemail I'm so sorry to hear that Jeff. I am sending thoughts of love your way and apologize for bothering you with the silver chord thing in your other posting. Losing a loved one is never easy but I promise you she is close by and watching over you now. I lost my grampa Chester in similar fashion and he is always with me. You will visit her and she will visit you in the midst of sleep and when the trauma subsides a bit, you may have some success through willing yourself to her over and over and over again while falling asleep. For what it's worth, being freed from an ailing physical form must have been the greatest joy she has ever experienced and her adventure of life will continue along side and within your own. I know it makes you feel quite sad, though, and no words can quell that.. just want you to know that I'm thinking about you, buddy. I wish you the best. Peace and Love, Brian ###### From: spicyjem@aol.comAstral4U (Spicy Jem) Newsgroups: alt.out-of-body Subject: Re: A sad day for me Lines: 31 NNTP-Posting-Host: ladder01.news.aol.com X-Admin: news@aol.com Date: 30 Nov 1998 08:14:26 GMT Organization: AOL http://www.aol.com References: <36621752.AD09643C@earthlink.nXXXet> Message-ID: <19981130031426.27328.00000159@ng-fc2.aol.com> Path: chonsp.franklin.ch!pfaff.ethz.ch!news-zh.switch.ch!news.belnet.be!news-raspail.gip.net!news-peer.gip.net!news.gsl.net!gip.net!newsfeed.cwix.com!152.163.199.19!portc03.blue.aol.com!audrey01.news.aol.com!not-for-mail Dear Brian, >I'm so sorry to hear that Jeff. I am sending thoughts of love your way and >apologize for bothering you with the silver chord thing in your other >posting. > Don't worry about that! You have never been a bother to me. Believe me, when it comes to newsgroups, if I am bothered by something, I will either tell the person or (most likely) choose not to respond. At any rate, I just want to thank everyone for sending their love my direction. Today was the viewing of my grandmother, and even though it was tough, she certainly looked a lot better today than the last time I saw her in ICU. Tomorrow is the funeral (and I am one of the pallbearers).....and even though it will be emotionally tough for me, I know that it will get easier from then on out. Brian, on a different note, didn't you have a rehearsal to be with some music guy who was really good? How did that go? Good to hear from you again, bro. <3 Jeff Mash <3 To email me, remove the "Astral4U" in the address. "There's nothing to fear except fear itself...Oh...plus rejection and physical harm!" Need a laugh? Go to www.vertigy.com/jokemail