From: Clairity@webtv.net (Clairity) Newsgroups: alt.out-of-body Subject: Electric Blankets & OOBEs Date: Sat, 21 Nov 1998 19:27:37 -0600 (CST) Organization: WebTV Subscriber Lines: 14 Message-ID: <16660-36576889-49@newsd-101.iap.bryant.webtv.net> NNTP-Posting-Host: localhost.webtv.net Mime-Version: 1.0 (WebTV) Content-Type: Text/Plain; Charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7Bit X-WebTV-Signature: 1 ETAuAhUAwbzhy1T+js8Qx8CTDOcg8+gW0b4CFQCBtiaOcwRC1aJ3Cc8dcN6tppWtJA== Content-Disposition: Inline Path: chonsp.franklin.ch!pfaff.ethz.ch!news-zh.switch.ch!news.belnet.be!news-raspail.gip.net!news-dc.gip.net!news-peer.gip.net!news.gsl.net!gip.net!news.maxwell.syr.edu!newsfeed.wli.net!su-news-hub1.bbnplanet.com!su-news-feed4.bbnplanet.com!news.gtei.net!webtv.net!not-for-mail Hi all! I looked in DejaNews to see if this question had been asked and answered before and I saw where Jeff Mash (hi Jeff!) had indeed asked the question but I couldn't find where it had been answered. So here is my question. Are there those among you who are able to go OOB while using an electric blanket? With it getting colder, I am using one and I want to know if that should have *no effect* on my OOB attempts, make them *more difficult* or, heaven forbid, make them *futile*. Take care and thanks to all who reply!! Clairity ###### From: "Steven Madonick" Newsgroups: alt.out-of-body Subject: Re: Electric Blankets & OOBEs Date: 22 Nov 1998 07:34:56 GMT Organization: AT&T WorldNet Services Lines: 24 Message-ID: <01be15eb$f55d8fc0$ab23480c@pavilion> References: <16660-36576889-49@newsd-101.iap.bryant.webtv.net> NNTP-Posting-Host: 12.72.35.171 X-Newsreader: Microsoft Internet News 4.70.1161 Path: chonsp.franklin.ch!pfaff.ethz.ch!news-zh.switch.ch!news.belnet.be!news-raspail.gip.net!news-peer.gip.net!news.gsl.net!gip.net!cpk-news-hub1.bbnplanet.com!news.gtei.net!wn3feed!worldnet.att.net!135.173.83.225!attworldnet!newsadm Clarity, Electric anything will have no effect whatsoever on OOBE. Electric Clarity will. Peace Steve Clairity wrote in article <16660-36576889-49@newsd-101.iap.bryant.webtv.net>... > Hi all! I looked in DejaNews to see if this question had been asked and > answered before and I saw where Jeff Mash (hi Jeff!) had indeed asked > the question but I couldn't find where it had been answered. > > So here is my question. Are there those among you who are able to go > OOB while using an electric blanket? With it getting colder, I am using > one and I want to know if that should have *no effect* on my OOB > attempts, make them *more difficult* or, heaven forbid, make them > *futile*. > > Take care and thanks to all who reply!! > > Clairity > > ###### From: sterno@bigbrother.net Newsgroups: alt.out-of-body Subject: Re: Electric Blankets & OOBEs Date: Sun, 22 Nov 1998 07:54:44 GMT Organization: Deja News - The Leader in Internet Discussion Lines: 19 Message-ID: <738fvv$906$1@nnrp1.dejanews.com> References: <16660-36576889-49@newsd-101.iap.bryant.webtv.net> NNTP-Posting-Host: 206.68.128.167 X-Article-Creation-Date: Sun Nov 22 07:54:44 1998 GMT X-Http-User-Agent: Mozilla/4.04 [en] (WinNT; I) X-Http-Proxy: 1.0 x2.dejanews.com:80 (Squid/1.1.22) for client 206.68.128.167 Path: chonsp.franklin.ch!pfaff.ethz.ch!news-zh.switch.ch!news.belnet.be!newsgate.cistron.nl!het.net!news.tele2.nl!newsfeed.wirehub.nl!newspeer1.nac.net!news.maxwell.syr.edu!nntp2.dejanews.com!nnrp1.dejanews.com!not-for-mail > So here is my question. Are there those among you who are able to go > OOB while using an electric blanket? With it getting colder, I am using > one and I want to know if that should have *no effect* on my OOB > attempts, make them *more difficult* or, heaven forbid, make them > *futile*. I shouldn't think that an electric blanket would cause any problems. If OOBE's are somewhat connected to the electromagnetic properties of the brain, the field coming off the blanket would probably have a minimal effect. Although if you believe that it does have an effect, it probably will if for no other reason than that you believe it does. I suppose there is only one way to find out though :). I should think that being able to keep warm would benefit the OOBE more than the effects of an electric blanket would offset it. -----------== Posted via Deja News, The Discussion Network ==---------- http://www.dejanews.com/ Search, Read, Discuss, or Start Your Own ###### From: "Bob Powers" Newsgroups: alt.out-of-body Subject: Re: Electric Blankets & OOBEs Date: 22 Nov 1998 17:00:36 GMT Organization: Posted via Supernews, http://www.supernews.com - Discussions start here! Lines: 30 Message-ID: <01be1639$8cea12d0$0206eecc@host2> References: <16660-36576889-49@newsd-101.iap.bryant.webtv.net> NNTP-Posting-Host: 216.41.32.249 X-Trace: 911754036 TWNY2XU9G20F9D829C usenet87.supernews.com X-Complaints-To: newsabuse@supernews.com X-Newsreader: Microsoft Internet News 4.70.1155 Path: chonsp.franklin.ch!pfaff.ethz.ch!news-zh.switch.ch!newsfeed-zh.ip-plus.net!news-nyc.telia.net!newsfeed.berkeley.edu!Supernews73!supernews.com!Supernews69!not-for-mail I've read here that some people have interacted with power lines while out. I have an electric heater under the mattress of my waterbed. It hasn't seemed to stop me from anything, although I've never checked by counting my experiences with and without the heater being on. Its possible that the thin layer of electrolytic fluid between me and the heater is providing some E-M shielding but I've never considered that in much detail either. Perhaps, the blanket, having its elements much closer to your physical body might make a difference. Maybe the 'power line' people could answer this.... Clairity wrote in article <16660-36576889-49@newsd-101.iap.bryant.webtv.net>... > Hi all! I looked in DejaNews to see if this question had been asked and > answered before and I saw where Jeff Mash (hi Jeff!) had indeed asked > the question but I couldn't find where it had been answered. > > So here is my question. Are there those among you who are able to go > OOB while using an electric blanket? With it getting colder, I am using > one and I want to know if that should have *no effect* on my OOB > attempts, make them *more difficult* or, heaven forbid, make them > *futile*. > > Take care and thanks to all who reply!! > > Clairity > > ###### Path: chonsp.franklin.ch!usenet From: Neil Franklin Newsgroups: alt.out-of-body Subject: Re: Electric Blankets & OOBEs Date: 22 Nov 1998 22:27:39 +0100 Organization: My own Private Self Lines: 23 Sender: neil@chonsp.franklin.ch Message-ID: References: <16660-36576889-49@newsd-101.iap.bryant.webtv.net> X-Newsreader: Gnus v5.3/Emacs 19.34 Clairity@webtv.net (Clairity) writes: > > So here is my question. Are there those among you who are able to go > OOB while using an electric blanket? With it getting colder, I am using Do I read this correctly: that you leave the blanket switched on while goint to sleep? If so: a warning: electric blankets should only be used to warm an bed before using it, and then switched off before going to bed! The reason has nothing to do with OOBEs, but rather with the danger of fire which can happen if one of the wires is broken (for example by the sleeper moving) while it is on. Thinking about it, that would produce an OOBE, but not of the desired type. -- Neil Franklin, Nerd, Geek, Unix Guru, Hacker, Mystic neil@franklin.ch.remove http://neil.franklin.ch/ "No, it was a JOKE! You can't RUN this!" Ken Thompson ###### From: Clairity@webtv.net (Clairity) Newsgroups: alt.out-of-body Subject: Re: Electric Blankets & OOBEs Date: Sun, 22 Nov 1998 21:45:01 -0600 (CST) Organization: WebTV Subscriber Lines: 60 Message-ID: <17930-3658DA3D-127@newsd-104.iap.bryant.webtv.net> References: NNTP-Posting-Host: localhost.webtv.net Mime-Version: 1.0 (WebTV) Content-Type: Text/Plain; Charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7Bit X-WebTV-Signature: 1 ETAtAhQO1rrcphUQKePP65aJdbrUcGsHsgIVAKlm7LhIjBS+enPA97sj8KM9748n Content-Disposition: Inline Path: chonsp.franklin.ch!pfaff.ethz.ch!news-zh.switch.ch!news.belnet.be!isdnet!howland.erols.net!netnews.com!newspeer1.nac.net!newsfeed.concentric.net!webtv.net!not-for-mail Neil wrote: Do I read this correctly: that you leave the blanket switched on while going to sleep? If so: warning: electric blankets should only be used to warm a bed before using it, and then switched off before going to bed! Craig wrote: For what it's worth, I use an electric blanket and have always gotten OOB with it on my bed, but I always have it switched off at the side of the bed. (You know you should never leave an electric blanket going as you sleep, don't you?) Clairity here: Ok, now I'm confused and just a little concerned for my safety. (Clairity goes and digs out the instructions for her blanket.) Oh, I guess I used the wrong name when I called it an "electric" blanket.. Per my blanket instructions, what I have is an "automatic warming blanket" and it is to be used while you sleep. The instructions state the following:' ''Automatic blankets don't really add perceptible heat. (That's why an operating blanket may not feel warm to the hand.) Rather, they work by protecting the body from excessive heat loss. They are not heating pads. The blanket control actually responds to room temperature. If the room temperature drops *during the night* (and it usually does), the control will automatically call for additional heat in the blanket to *maintain* the warmth level you've selected. The blanket maintains its selected warmth level by *cycling on and off*. Always turn your blanket control off *in the morning when rising* or when the bed is not occupied" Sorry if I misled anyone! I have always called it an electric blanket but I guess, based on your posts, there is a big difference between an electic blanket and an automatic blanket (one you leave on all night and the other you don't). Craig wrote: If you could see through all the walls in your house, imagine all the electricity that is running around in all those wires. I mean, we are literally in electric cages, aren't we. These would have to effect us in some way wouldn't they? Still wouldn't have a clue if it would help with OBEs or not though." Clairity here: This make sense.. we are literally surrounded by electricity. I had just wondered if there would be any effect with the wires providing heat laying so close to your body. I am beginning to believe that what will effect OOBs are whatever *I* chose to believe will effect them (either positively or negatively). Thanks to all who replied both here and via PEM!! Take care!! Clairity ###### From: spicyjem@aol.comAstral4U (Spicy Jem) Newsgroups: alt.out-of-body Subject: Re: Electric Blankets & OOBEs Lines: 38 NNTP-Posting-Host: ladder01.news.aol.com X-Admin: news@aol.com Date: 23 Nov 1998 05:43:35 GMT Organization: AOL http://www.aol.com References: <16660-36576889-49@newsd-101.iap.bryant.webtv.net> Message-ID: <19981123004335.03650.00002053@ng-fc2.aol.com> Path: chonsp.franklin.ch!pfaff.ethz.ch!news-zh.switch.ch!news-ge.switch.ch!news.maxwell.syr.edu!newsfeed.cwix.com!152.163.199.19!portc03.blue.aol.com!audrey01.news.aol.com!not-for-mail >Hi all! I looked in DejaNews to see if this question had been asked and >answered before and I saw where Jeff Mash (hi Jeff!) had indeed asked >the question but I couldn't find where it had been answered. > Hi Clairity! Thanks for bringing this up again! You know, after I asked that question last month, and especially after not getting any responses, I started to feel like I was being ignored. But now that I see that you brought up the same question and received a ton of responses, I now *KNOW* that I was being ignored! <5 minute pouting session> Okay, I am back to normal! Just had to get that out! Anyways, I sleep with a heated mattress pad. It actually goes around your matttress, and then your sheets go on top of this. It is very comfortable, and I agree with the statement that keeping yourself comfortable (even by using heating pads) is more beneficial to OOBE's than allowing yourself to get cold for fear of electrical hinderances. I mean, do electrical blankets and wall outlets hinder us from normally having dreams (lucid or unlucid)? Of course not.....so I wouldn't think they would have any ill-effects on our OOBE exploration. I feel it's all in our heads, and the only thing that holds us back is that which we believe will hold us back. <3 Jeff Mash <3 To email me, remove the "Astral4U" in the address. "There's nothing to fear except fear itself...Oh...plus rejection and physical harm!" Need a laugh? Go to www.vertigy.com/jokemail ###### Message-ID: <36588684.48F94CD7@the.end.of.the.message> Date: Mon, 23 Nov 1998 08:47:48 +1100 From: Craig Organization: Deja Vous X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.05 [en] (Win95; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 Newsgroups: alt.out-of-body Subject: Re: Electric Blankets & OOBEs References: <16660-36576889-49@newsd-101.iap.bryant.webtv.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit NNTP-Posting-Host: 203.18.28.5 X-Trace: 23 Nov 1998 10:07:39 +1000, 203.18.28.5 Lines: 42 Path: chonsp.franklin.ch!pfaff.ethz.ch!news-zh.switch.ch!news.belnet.be!news-raspail.gip.net!news-peer.gip.net!news.gsl.net!gip.net!nntp.abs.net!cyclone.i1.net!uunet!in5.uu.net!nap-ns1!203.18.28.5 Hi Clairity, For what it's worth, I use an electric blanket and have always gotten OOB with it on my bed, but I always have it switched off at the side of the bed. (You know you should never leave an electric blanket going as you sleep, don't you?) There would still be power getting to it from the power point to the switch though. But I dunno about how electric fields really effect us when getting OOB. I mean, if you could see through all the walls in your house, imagine all the electricity that is running around in all those wires. I mean, we are literally in electric cages, aren't we. These would have to effect us in some small way wouldn't they? Still wouldn't have a clue if it would help with OBE's or not though. All the best Craig Clairity wrote: > > Hi all! I looked in DejaNews to see if this question had been asked and > answered before and I saw where Jeff Mash (hi Jeff!) had indeed asked > the question but I couldn't find where it had been answered. > > So here is my question. Are there those among you who are able to go > OOB while using an electric blanket? With it getting colder, I am using > one and I want to know if that should have *no effect* on my OOB > attempts, make them *more difficult* or, heaven forbid, make them > *futile*. > > Take care and thanks to all who reply!! > > Clairity -- The sure way to make a thing impossible- -is to think it so. --- Franklin To respond, delete _nospam_ scrappy@_nospam_netconnect.com.au -- ###### Path: chonsp.franklin.ch!usenet From: Neil Franklin Newsgroups: alt.out-of-body Subject: Re: Electric Blankets & OOBEs Date: 23 Nov 1998 23:59:36 +0100 Organization: My own Private Self Lines: 98 Sender: neil@chonsp.franklin.ch Message-ID: References: <17930-3658DA3D-127@newsd-104.iap.bryant.webtv.net> X-Newsreader: Gnus v5.3/Emacs 19.34 Clairity@webtv.net (Clairity) writes: > > Neil wrote: > > If so: warning: electric blankets should only be used to warm a bed > before using it, and then switched off before going to bed! > > Craig wrote: > > the bed. (You know you should never leave an electric blanket going as > you sleep, don't you?) 2 of us. Any synchronicity at work? :-) > Clairity here: > > Ok, now I'm confused and just a little concerned for my safety. > (Clairity goes and digs out the instructions for her blanket.) Oh, I > guess I used the wrong name when I called it an "electric" blanket.. The thing I an refering to looks like an thick multilayer blanket with an electric cable coming out of one corner, with an switch in that cable. > and it is to be used while you sleep. The instructions state the > following:' > selected warmth level by *cycling on and off*. Always turn your blanket > control off *in the morning when rising* or when the bed is not > occupied" If the manufacturer actually says in print that is can (or even should) be used while in bed, then they must have found some way (choice of material?) to get rid of the fire hazard. Note: my experiences with electric blankets were 20 years ago at my grand parents. > Sorry if I misled anyone! I have always called it an electric blanket > but I guess, based on your posts, there is a big difference between an > electic blanket and an automatic blanket (one you leave on all night and > the other you don't). Or an great difference between 20 years ago and today. > Craig wrote: > > If you could see through all the walls in your house, imagine all the > electricity that is running around in all those wires. To have an effect on biological systems one would require an electromagnetic field being emited from the wires. That only happens when actual current is flowing (to an connected and running device). Without devices there is an slight field due to current leak, but not much. BTW: here in Europe people with sleep problems are even adviced by doctors against mains powered alarm clocks because of the effect on normal sleep. > I mean, we are > literally in electric cages, aren't we. These would have to effect us > in some way wouldn't they? Being in an corner-of-the-building room and with no devices running at night I most likely have zero field. > Still wouldn't have a clue if it would help > with OBEs or not though." First I need an OBE under any condition before I could test it. :-) > Clairity here: > > This make sense.. we are literally surrounded by electricity. I had > just wondered if there would be any effect with the wires providing heat > laying so close to your body. General rule: field is divided by 4 for every doubling of distance from its source. > I am beginning to believe that what will > effect OOBs are whatever *I* chose to believe will effect them (either > positively or negatively). Very likely. Also my belief. -- Neil Franklin, Nerd, Geek, Unix Guru, Hacker, Mystic neil@franklin.ch.remove http://neil.franklin.ch/ "No, it was a JOKE! You can't RUN this!" Ken Thompson ###### From: clairity@webtv.net Newsgroups: alt.out-of-body Subject: Re: Electric Blankets & OOBEs Date: Mon, 23 Nov 1998 20:19:07 GMT Organization: Deja News - The Leader in Internet Discussion Lines: 46 Message-ID: <73cfva$6ql$1@nnrp1.dejanews.com> References: <16660-36576889-49@newsd-101.iap.bryant.webtv.net> <19981123004335.03650.00002053@ng-fc2.aol.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: 32.97.110.69 X-Article-Creation-Date: Mon Nov 23 20:19:07 1998 GMT X-Http-User-Agent: Mozilla/2.02 (OS/2; U) X-Http-Proxy: 1.0 x6.dejanews.com:80 (Squid/1.1.22) for client 32.97.110.69 Path: chonsp.franklin.ch!pfaff.ethz.ch!news-zh.switch.ch!news.belnet.be!newsfeed.wirehub.nl!howland.erols.net!news.maxwell.syr.edu!nntp2.dejanews.com!nnrp1.dejanews.com!not-for-mail > >Clairity wrote: > >Hi all! I looked in DejaNews to see if this question had been asked and > >answered before and I saw where Jeff Mash (hi Jeff!) had indeed asked > >the question but I couldn't find where it had been answered. > > > spicyjem@aol.comAstral4U (Spicy Jem) wrote: > Hi Clairity! Thanks for bringing this up again! You know, after I asked > that question last month, and especially after not getting any responses, > I started to feel like I was being ignored. But now that I see that you > brought up the same question and received a ton of responses, I now *KNOW* > that I was being ignored! > > <5 minute pouting session> Jeff, don't pout.. you weren't being ignored..tell him everybody..(a lengthy pause..the sound of crickets chirping in the silence). Uhm, well, if I had had an answer, I would have replied... (does that help?) ;-) > > Okay, I am back to normal! Just had to get that out! I totally understand! > > Anyways, I sleep with a heated mattress pad. It actually goes around your > matttress, and then your sheets go on top of this. It is very comfortable, > and I agree with the statement that keeping yourself comfortable (even by > using heating pads) is more beneficial to OOBE's than allowing > yourself to get cold for fear of electrical hinderances. I mean, do > electrical blankets and wall outlets hinder us from normally having dreams > (lucid or unlucid)? Of course not.....so I wouldn't think they would have > any ill-effects on our OOBE exploration. I feel it's all in our heads, and > the only thing that holds us back is that which we believe will hold us back. > > Jeff Mash I agree! Take care! Clairity -----------== Posted via Deja News, The Discussion Network ==---------- http://www.dejanews.com/ Search, Read, Discuss, or Start Your Own ###### Message-ID: <3659C0F8.23BB0A49@the.end.of.the.message> Date: Tue, 24 Nov 1998 07:09:28 +1100 From: Craig Organization: Deja Vous X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.05 [en] (Win95; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 Newsgroups: alt.out-of-body Subject: Re: Electric Blankets & OOBEs References: <17930-3658DA3D-127@newsd-104.iap.bryant.webtv.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit NNTP-Posting-Host: 203.18.28.14 X-Trace: 24 Nov 1998 08:28:36 +1000, 203.18.28.14 Lines: 43 Path: chonsp.franklin.ch!pfaff.ethz.ch!news-zh.switch.ch!news.belnet.be!news-raspail.gip.net!news-peer.gip.net!news.gsl.net!gip.net!nntp.abs.net!cyclone.i1.net!uunet!in5.uu.net!nap-ns1!203.18.28.14 Hi Clairity. > Ok, now I'm confused and just a little concerned for my safety. > (Clairity goes and digs out the instructions for her blanket.) Oh, I > guess I used the wrong name when I called it an "electric" blanket.. Per > my blanket instructions, what I have is an "automatic warming blanket" > and it is to be used while you sleep. The instructions state the > following: Yeah, definitely not the same as the electric blanket I use. Mine just has three settings on it 1,2 and 3. You just select one a short time before bed so it warms up, then jump in and turn it off. :-) I've never heard of the automatic ones. I would still think it would ba dangerous to leave it on as you sleep, but seeing as it really only warms up to keep you at the same temperature, I guess it probably doesn't use a lot of power. :-) > This make sense.. we are literally surrounded by electricity. I had > just wondered if there would be any effect with the wires providing heat > laying so close to your body. I am beginning to believe that what will > effect OOBs are whatever *I* chose to believe will effect them (either > positively or negatively). Oh yeah, I have to agree with that. Usually we tend to do things because that is what we believe to work for us, and in so believing, we set ourselves up, subconsciously, to make it so. For ourselves anyway. I think this is one reason I always try to get out from on my back, cos all my obe's have occurred in this position, so I've talked myself into believing this is maybe the only, or at least, the best way for me. :-) All the best Craig -- The sure way to make a thing impossible- -is to think it so. --- Franklin To respond, delete _nospam_ scrappy@_nospam_netconnect.com.au --