From: dik@po.CWRU.Edu (David I. Khmelnitsky) Newsgroups: alt.out-of-body Subject: parapsychology Date: 14 Nov 1998 19:26:47 GMT Organization: Case Western Reserve University, Cleveland, OH (USA) Lines: 10 Message-ID: <72klhn$sc5$1@alexander.INS.CWRU.Edu> Reply-To: dik@po.CWRU.Edu (David I. Khmelnitsky) NNTP-Posting-Host: owl.ins.cwru.edu Path: chonsp.franklin.ch!pfaff.ethz.ch!news-zh.switch.ch!newsfeed-zh.ip-plus.net!news-nyc.telia.net!newsfeed.cwix.com!206.103.240.185!newsfeed.infinet.com!usenet.INS.CWRU.Edu!po.CWRU.Edu!dik it is amazing how little resources are allocated into studying parapsychological phenomena (like OBE, dreaming, hallucinations, etc...). we are still in the dark ages. in medieval times the church dominereed over everything, labeling many metaphysical occurences as 'works of satan.' now, the science has hastily taken the role of the church, once again trying to suppress these phenomena. hopefully, with the advent and overwhelming acception of psychology, these meta-phenomena will be studied in greater detail. ###### From: "Richard" Newsgroups: alt.out-of-body Subject: Re: parapsychology Date: Sat, 14 Nov 1998 18:26:12 -0800 Organization: Posted via Supernews, http://www.supernews.com - Discussions start here! Lines: 57 Message-ID: <72le49$ghu$1@supernews.com> References: <72klhn$sc5$1@alexander.INS.CWRU.Edu> <364e0f76.128948521@news.netcom.ca> <72ldjd$9ko@sjx-ixn5.ix.netcom.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: 207.48.95.14 X-Trace: 911096777 I0G4.QBCE5FE CF30C usenet58.supernews.com X-Complaints-To: newsabuse@supernews.com X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.3110.1 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.3110.3 Path: chonsp.franklin.ch!pfaff.ethz.ch!news-zh.switch.ch!news-ge.switch.ch!news.maxwell.syr.edu!newsfeed.berkeley.edu!Supernews73!supernews.com!Supernews69!not-for-mail About science figuring this out. . . Last I saw in most recent quantum mechanics theories. . . it is pointing more toward this "shit" being real than anything else. Snap. . . -- RBWalton Visit this web page for some useful OOB links. . . www.angelfire.com/ca/onestepbeyond/ To respond, delete #nospam# rbwalton@#nospam#outrageous.net Bart wrote in message <72ldjd$9ko@sjx-ixn5.ix.netcom.com>... > >The Critic wrote in message <364e0f76.128948521@news.netcom.ca>... > >> When science does get around to straightening all this shit out, all >>the flakey people will move on to something else. We will have, >>though, an accurate description of why people are experiencing what >>they do. Once the light of science does shine on these things, it >>doesn't mean that we can no longer enjoy them. I just think there will >>be far less interest than there is now. >> >>The Critic > > >Define "flakey people". AND... don't we already have, from your own words, >an "accurate description" of why people are experiencing what they do? >Didn't you "figure it all out", just this morning and inform us, with your >highly respected intelligence, that OBE is all just a dream? > >...."The light of science"... which changes colors on a regular basis... > >By the way... There is so much interest right now BECAUSE science shined a >light on it for 20 years - but the government still won't release many of >the best findings. There are some scientists who believe that ESP has been >proven beyond a reasonable doubt. What the government DID release is enough >to show that something of ESP is present. > > Dammit, Critic, you told me that snapping my fingers would >work. Why are you still here? > >Bart > > > ###### From: "Bart" Newsgroups: alt.out-of-body Subject: Re: parapsychology Date: Sat, 14 Nov 1998 21:11:01 -0500 Organization: ICGNetcom Lines: 33 Message-ID: <72ldjd$9ko@sjx-ixn5.ix.netcom.com> References: <72klhn$sc5$1@alexander.INS.CWRU.Edu> <364e0f76.128948521@news.netcom.ca> NNTP-Posting-Host: clv-oh42-24.ix.netcom.com X-NETCOM-Date: Sat Nov 14 6:17:17 PM PST 1998 X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.3110.1 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.3110.3 Path: chonsp.franklin.ch!pfaff.ethz.ch!news-zh.switch.ch!news-ge.switch.ch!newscore.univie.ac.at!europa.clark.net!192.148.253.68!netnews.com!ix.netcom.com!news The Critic wrote in message <364e0f76.128948521@news.netcom.ca>... > When science does get around to straightening all this shit out, all >the flakey people will move on to something else. We will have, >though, an accurate description of why people are experiencing what >they do. Once the light of science does shine on these things, it >doesn't mean that we can no longer enjoy them. I just think there will >be far less interest than there is now. > >The Critic Define "flakey people". AND... don't we already have, from your own words, an "accurate description" of why people are experiencing what they do? Didn't you "figure it all out", just this morning and inform us, with your highly respected intelligence, that OBE is all just a dream? ...."The light of science"... which changes colors on a regular basis... By the way... There is so much interest right now BECAUSE science shined a light on it for 20 years - but the government still won't release many of the best findings. There are some scientists who believe that ESP has been proven beyond a reasonable doubt. What the government DID release is enough to show that something of ESP is present. Dammit, Critic, you told me that snapping my fingers would work. Why are you still here? Bart ###### From: Wells Newsgroups: alt.out-of-body Subject: Re: parapsychology Date: Sat, 14 Nov 1998 21:27:17 -0600 Organization: Toe Goblins, Inc. Lines: 20 Message-ID: <364E4A15.77E9C6CD@sk.sympatico.ca> References: <72klhn$sc5$1@alexander.INS.CWRU.Edu> <364e0f76.128948521@news.netcom.ca> <364e16e4.0@d2o204.telia.com> Reply-To: wellsdsp@sk.sympatico.ca NNTP-Posting-Host: nbfrsk02d02020181.sk.sympatico.ca Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.04 [en] (Win95; U) Path: chonsp.franklin.ch!pfaff.ethz.ch!news-zh.switch.ch!news-ge.switch.ch!news.maxwell.syr.edu!cyclone.news.idirect.com!island.idirect.com!news1.bellglobal.com!dragon.sk.sympatico.ca!news@dragon Lars Rune Foleide wrote: > I have to dig deep to find this kind of ignorance, in fact, I doubt I have > ever seen anything like it... You have to dig deep? When people like this Critic are kind enough to search us out and tell us we're idiots? It gives me hope for the human race! Thank you, Mr. Critic! You have enlightened me! Lifted me up from the dark void that I was once lost in! I owe you my sanity! Thank you again! Miragio "Insanity is it's own reward." PS This entire post has been sarcasm. In case you couldn't tell or were delusional enough to think I was serious. (Hint, hint, Mr. Critic. I'm fairly certain that you won't be able to resist accepting this praise. Prove me wrong and don't.) ###### From: critc@lalaland.com (The Critic) Newsgroups: alt.out-of-body Subject: Re: parapsychology Reply-To: The Critic Message-ID: <364e0f76.128948521@news.netcom.ca> References: <72klhn$sc5$1@alexander.INS.CWRU.Edu> X-Newsreader: Forte Free Agent 1.11/32.235 Lines: 23 Date: Sat, 14 Nov 1998 23:27:13 GMT NNTP-Posting-Host: 207.181.85.226 X-Complaints-To: abuse@netcom.ca X-Trace: tor-nn1.netcom.ca 911086021 207.181.85.226 (Sat, 14 Nov 1998 18:27:01 EDT) NNTP-Posting-Date: Sat, 14 Nov 1998 18:27:01 EDT Organization: Netcom Canada Path: chonsp.franklin.ch!pfaff.ethz.ch!news-zh.switch.ch!newsfeed-zh.ip-plus.net!news-nyc.telia.net!newsfeed.cwix.com!192.26.210.166!sunqbc.risq.qc.ca!tor-nx1.netcom.ca!tor-nn1.netcom.ca.POSTED!not-for-mail >it is amazing how little resources are allocated into studying >parapsychological phenomena (like OBE, dreaming, hallucinations, etc...). >we are still in the dark ages. in medieval times the church dominereed >over everything, labeling many metaphysical occurences as 'works of >satan.' now, the science has hastily taken the role of the church, >once again trying to suppress these phenomena. hopefully, with the >advent and overwhelming acception of psychology, these meta-phenomena >will be studied in greater detail. Science is not suppressing anything. I have never heard a scientist call parapsychological phenomena "the work of Satan." These things are just not a priority with them. There is far more important research to be done. When science does get around to straightening all this shit out, all the flakey people will move on to something else. We will have, though, an accurate description of why people are experiencing what they do. Once the light of science does shine on these things, it doesn't mean that we can no longer enjoy them. I just think there will be far less interest than there is now. The Critic ###### From: "Lars Rune Foleide" Newsgroups: alt.out-of-body References: <72klhn$sc5$1@alexander.INS.CWRU.Edu> <364e0f76.128948521@news.netcom.ca> Subject: Re: parapsychology Date: Sun, 15 Nov 1998 00:49:30 +0100 Lines: 49 X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.3110.1 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.3110.3 NNTP-Posting-Host: t8o204p18.telia.com X-NNTP-Posting-Host: t8o204p18.telia.com Message-ID: <364e16e4.0@d2o204.telia.com> X-Complaints-To: abuse@telia.no Path: chonsp.franklin.ch!pfaff.ethz.ch!news-zh.switch.ch!news-ge.switch.ch!isdnet!howland.erols.net!uninett.no!newsfeed1.telia.no!d2o204.telia.com!t8o204p18.telia.com The Critic wrote in message <364e0f76.128948521@news.netcom.ca>... > >Science is not suppressing anything. I have never heard a scientist >call parapsychological phenomena "the work of Satan." These things are >just not a priority with them. There is far more important research to >be done. You are right on one thing, science is not suppressing anything... You can't be more wrong on everything else... First of all, research on the paranormal have (had) a high priority. Just take the military for an example... CIA and KGB has used PSI for well over two decades... (And you don't need to thousand scientists to prove the existence of PSI) As for it being an important research or not. Well, don't know how you can make such a stupid remark... Are you telling me that getting information from outside our physical senses, from the future and past is not important?? If so, I would guess you have an IQ on below 60... > > When science does get around to straightening all this shit out, all >the flakey people will move on to something else. We will have, >though, an accurate description of why people are experiencing what >they do. Once the light of science does shine on these things, it >doesn't mean that we can no longer enjoy them. I just think there will >be far less interest than there is now. > I have to dig deep to find this kind of ignorance, in fact, I doubt I have ever seen anything like it... Science has proven "this shit" a long time ago under controlled scientific experiments... Why would we stop care for something that is proven? You better do your homework right, and at the same time... get a life... >The Critic > Regards, "The one with the facts...." - Lars ###### From: critc@lalaland.com (The Critic) Newsgroups: alt.out-of-body Subject: Re: parapsychology Reply-To: The Critic Message-ID: <364e515b.145820456@news.netcom.ca> References: <72klhn$sc5$1@alexander.INS.CWRU.Edu> <364e0f76.128948521@news.netcom.ca> <72ldjd$9ko@sjx-ixn5.ix.netcom.com> X-Newsreader: Forte Free Agent 1.11/32.235 Lines: 12 Date: Sun, 15 Nov 1998 04:15:25 GMT NNTP-Posting-Host: 207.181.81.134 X-Complaints-To: abuse@netcom.ca X-Trace: tor-nn1.netcom.ca 911103313 207.181.81.134 (Sat, 14 Nov 1998 23:15:13 EDT) NNTP-Posting-Date: Sat, 14 Nov 1998 23:15:13 EDT Organization: Netcom Canada Path: chonsp.franklin.ch!pfaff.ethz.ch!news-zh.switch.ch!news-ge.switch.ch!newscore.univie.ac.at!news-spur1.maxwell.syr.edu!news.maxwell.syr.edu!tor-nx1.netcom.ca!tor-nn1.netcom.ca.POSTED!not-for-mail > Dammit, Critic, you told me that snapping my fingers would >work. Why are you still here? > >Bart Snapping your fingers would work if you wanted it to, Bart. No, I think you wait with eager anticipation to see what my next post will bring. Because if you did stop reading them, I would be as good as gone . I don't think you really want that. I am flattered. I will be disappointed if you do stop replying, though. I am and will always be - The Critic ###### From: happy2ceu@aol.com (Happy2ceu) Newsgroups: alt.out-of-body Subject: Re: parapsychology Lines: 1 NNTP-Posting-Host: ladder03.news.aol.com X-Admin: news@aol.com Date: 15 Nov 1998 13:48:16 GMT Organization: AOL http://www.aol.com References: <364e515b.145820456@news.netcom.ca> Message-ID: <19981115084816.23522.00001617@ng139.aol.com> Path: chonsp.franklin.ch!pfaff.ethz.ch!news-zh.switch.ch!news-ge.switch.ch!news.maxwell.syr.edu!newsfeed.cwix.com!152.163.199.19!portc03.blue.aol.com!audrey03.news.aol.com!not-for-mail please don't feed the animals... ###### Message-ID: <364F53FF.6EAFD29C@the.end.of.the.message> Date: Mon, 16 Nov 1998 09:21:51 +1100 From: Craig Organization: Deja Vous X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.05 [en] (Win95; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 Newsgroups: alt.out-of-body Subject: Re: parapsychology References: <72klhn$sc5$1@alexander.INS.CWRU.Edu> <364e0f76.128948521@news.netcom.ca> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit NNTP-Posting-Host: 203.18.28.28 X-Trace: 16 Nov 1998 10:28:12 +1000, 203.18.28.28 Lines: 26 Path: chonsp.franklin.ch!pfaff.ethz.ch!news-zh.switch.ch!news-ge.switch.ch!news.maxwell.syr.edu!news.shore.net!uunet!in3.uu.net!nap-ns1!203.18.28.28 The Critic wrote: > When science does get around to straightening all this shit out, Hmmmm, remember how the Earth was the centre of the universe. Everything revolved around us, even the Sun, and the stars were 'fixed' on a great big black dome. ;-) I'm glad science got around to straightening all that out. ;-) > Once the light of science does shine on these things, it > doesn't mean that we can no longer enjoy them. Oh, but I do enjoy remembering how science once viewed the world. I wonder why they changed their opinions. All the best Craig -- The sure way to make a thing impossible- -is to think it so. --- Franklin To respond, delete _nospam_ scrappy@_nospam_netconnect.com.au -- ###### Message-ID: <36503831.400B@geocities.com> From: Life-Saver Reply-To: life-saver@geocities.com Organization: none X-Mailer: Mozilla 3.01Gold (Win95; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 Newsgroups: alt.out-of-body Subject: Re: parapsychology References: <72klhn$sc5$1@alexander.INS.CWRU.Edu> <364e0f76.128948521@news.netcom.ca> <364F53FF.6EAFD29C@the.end.of.the.message> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Lines: 23 Date: Mon, 16 Nov 1998 14:36:55 GMT NNTP-Posting-Host: 206.172.247.67 NNTP-Posting-Date: Mon, 16 Nov 1998 09:36:55 EDT Path: chonsp.franklin.ch!pfaff.ethz.ch!news-zh.switch.ch!newsfeed-zh.ip-plus.net!news-nyc.telia.net!howland.erols.net!news3.bellglobal.com!news1.bellglobal.com!news20.bellglobal.com.POSTED!not-for-mail > > When science does get around to straightening all this shit out, > > Hmmmm, remember how the Earth was the centre of the universe. Everything > revolved around us, even the Sun, and the stars were 'fixed' on a great > big black dome. ;-) I'm glad science got around to straightening all > that out. ;-) > > > Once the light of science does shine on these things, it > > doesn't mean that we can no longer enjoy them. > > Oh, but I do enjoy remembering how science once viewed the world. I > wonder why they changed their opinions. I think that it is because this middle earth view was created by religion... through incorrect bible interpretation... religion had his time. Science now has his... Spiritualism is slowly taking his... :) -- Life-Saver life-saver@geocities.com http://www.geocities.com/area51/lair/5498 ###### Message-ID: <3651B5BC.1F506D55@the.end.of.the.message> Date: Wed, 18 Nov 1998 04:43:24 +1100 From: Craig Organization: Deja Vous X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.05 [en] (Win95; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 Newsgroups: alt.out-of-body Subject: Re: parapsychology References: <72klhn$sc5$1@alexander.INS.CWRU.Edu> <364e0f76.128948521@news.netcom.ca> <364F53FF.6EAFD29C@the.end.of.the.message> <36503831.400B@geocities.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit NNTP-Posting-Host: 203.18.28.24 X-Trace: 18 Nov 1998 06:33:21 +1000, 203.18.28.24 Lines: 22 Path: chonsp.franklin.ch!pfaff.ethz.ch!news-zh.switch.ch!newsfeed-zh.ip-plus.net!news-nyc.telia.net!news-stl.cp.verio.net!typhoon.stlnet.com!uunet!in3.uu.net!nap-ns1!203.18.28.24 Life-Saver wrote: > I think that it is because this middle earth view was created by > religion... through incorrect bible interpretation... > > religion had his time. Science now has his... Spiritualism is slowly > taking his... :) > Yes, but wasn't religion the 'science' of that era anyway? I think nowadays, science is slowly starting to come around to a more spiritual way of looking at things. Well, at least in some areas. ;-) All the best Craig -- The sure way to make a thing impossible- -is to think it so. --- Franklin To respond, delete _nospam_ scrappy@_nospam_netconnect.com.au -- ###### From: gallianoj@aol.com (GALLIANOJ) Newsgroups: alt.out-of-body Subject: Re: parapsychology Lines: 16 NNTP-Posting-Host: ladder01.news.aol.com X-Admin: news@aol.com Date: 22 Nov 1998 14:27:46 GMT Organization: AOL http://www.aol.com References: <72klhn$sc5$1@alexander.INS.CWRU.Edu> Message-ID: <19981122092746.11329.00001298@ng32.aol.com> Path: chonsp.franklin.ch!pfaff.ethz.ch!news-zh.switch.ch!newsfeed-zh.ip-plus.net!news-nyc.telia.net!newsfeed.berkeley.edu!newsfeed.wli.net!portc04.blue.aol.com!audrey01.news.aol.com!not-for-mail > > >it is amazing how little resources are allocated into studying >parapsychological phenomena (like OBE, dreaming, hallucinations, etc...). >we are still in the dark ages. in medieval times the church dominereed >over everything, labeling many metaphysical occurences as 'works of >satan.' now, the science has hastily taken the role of the church, >once again trying to suppress these phenomena. hopefully, with the >advent and overwhelming acception of psychology, these meta-phenomena >will be studied in greater detail. Hopefully! In the mean while we study ourselves and one another.. . compare notes, try experiments, research the possibilities. Many of us have experienced feeling quite alone in this but the group is a great inspiration to continue. Thanks for you insights. One day... jean