Message-ID: <3647E8F9.BC567D37@pop.slkc.uswest.net> Date: Mon, 09 Nov 1998 23:19:21 -0800 From: Beth Reply-To: oberoberts@uswest.net X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.04 [en] (Win95; U) MIME-Version: 1.0 Newsgroups: alt.out-of-body Subject: Popped in for a short visit! Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit NNTP-Posting-Host: 207.224.201.107 X-Trace: 10 Nov 1998 00:17:25 +0600, 207.224.201.107 Lines: 153 X-Report: Report abuse to abuse@uswest.net. Path: chonsp.franklin.ch!pfaff.ethz.ch!news-zh.switch.ch!news.belnet.be!212.63.192.161.MISMATCH!newshub.bart.net!news.tele2.nl!newsfeed1.swip.net!swipnet!newsfeed.cwix.com!4.1.16.34!cpk-news-hub1.bbnplanet.com!su-news-feed4.bbnplanet.com!news.gtei.net!newsfeed1.uswest.net!news1.uswest.net!207.224.201.107 Hi everyone! I had a few moments of boring down time around here and thought I would visit you all. I see I have missed much, but that life goes on in the group. By the way "Hi, Steve" glad to see that you have returned to the group. I wish to apologize to all of you that I have not returned mail to. When I said I was going on a vacation from this, I guess I meant everything. It has been a good experience. I have gone through another growing session. I have written much more poetry, and I am now applying for my Ph.D. program. Things are looking great. I all ready have contacts with the university I am applying at and the program will compliment my need to develop my abilities. Probably not completely to the extent I plan on developing them, but they are much more attune and open-minded about alternative healing and health psychology. I have been having a few strange experiences around here too. I have had to get back to reading up on stuff because my experiences continue to surpass my knowledge. I tell you about two of the experiences. Both I would catalog under "Strange Halloween Events." Here it goes: Friday October 30th, 1998 I was talking on the phone with a friend I had not spoken with in months. Her and I were trying to catch up on each other's lives. My now five-year-old son kept impatiently going in and out of my room, doing the usual mom's on the phone so I must be a pest thing. My conversation took quite a long time. He was getting very frustrated with me. I was trying to ignore him because the phone call at the time was very important to me. I was just winding down the conversation and trying to get off the phone in the next few minutes, my son had become very quiet sitting at my doorway just staring off into the kitchen area. I heard a loud crash. I looked at him and asked him what the noise was, he did not move or respond. Well, I got off the phone and went to him and again asked if he knew what the crash was, he said nothing. I went to the kitchen area to find my oak wall clock in the middle of the floor in pieces. I went to pick up the main part of the clock and the hands started going around and around very, very fast like you would see depicted in a movie trying to show that a lot of time had passed. I noticed at this time that the battery to the clock was on the floor several feet away and another part of the clock was a few feet from that. I was freaked to say the least. I put the clock down and the hands quite turning fast. I checked the nail on the wall and it was very secure so I picked up the battery and put it back in the clock. This time one hand went one way and the other hand went the other way only slower than when I had picked it up before. I decided rather than fix the clock, I would throw it away. I was too freaked out to mess with it. I later occurred to me the significance of the clock being thrown off the wall with the hands going around fast, was my son's emotional energy had actually initiated the event. I later spoke with my son about it and the very next day I ended up reading about this type of experience and what causes it. Needless to say, I have given birth to a very powerful child, bright and gifted. Now I am more convinced than ever, he needs special training that only a mother who understand these abilities can give. November 7, 1998 A friend I have been dating for a few months had a dream. This is significant because although we all know we all dream, he rarely remembers his. Anyway he told me about the dream he had it went like this: His dream was about him and me sleeping in his bed at his house, and he was startled awake by me screaming. There was a black widow spider on me and so he grabbed the spider and took it outside and stomped on it. Now after he told me about the dream, I gave him an interruption of the dream. We both felt it was pretty accurate for what was going on in his life at the time. Here is where it gets weird: Around 1pm today, my son joined me in the living room. Shortly after, he pointed out a black spider on the wall by the pictures. After a little bit of wrestling with the spider I eventually captured it and flushed it down the toilet. Then about 15 minutes later when my son joined me in the living room again, I noticed another black spider on the ceiling by the entrance to the kitchen. I pointed that one out to my son about the time the spider made a web and started to make its way down from the ceiling. This time I got the broom (something us mystics and witches seem to need :) ), and swept it off onto the floor and smashed it. I don't believe two black spiders in my living room where my son and I were within a fifteen minute period, both appearing only after my son was in the room with me, is a coincidence. Especially after, my friend's dream. The first black spider was much bigger, it didn't seem to be of the same species, but both were black. I have seen black widow female spiders and I don't think they were, even though I have had a black widow spider in my room several months ago. Spider saga continues 3pm Spider number 3, arrived a few moments ago. This was definitely a black widow. This one was found on the kitchen floor by where my son had just left from, it was headed straight for the living room or my bedroom where my son and I were. What the h - e - double - l is going on? Do I need to exercise my house or something? In the two years I have been here, I have not had 3 black spiders come in my house on the same day, within the same hour. There have probably only been two or three black spiders in this house the whole time I have lived here. I find it more interesting that they all appeared during the time when my friend is at his attorney practicing for his deposition that occurred on Monday. Oh please no more spiders, I hate spiders - - they are the only real insect that I dislike, I would just assume play with rattlesnakes than mess with spiders. Which I have by the way, played with rattlesnakes - - I'll tell you about it sometime, it was when I was about 19, and still naive to the fact that this wasn't a normal behavior for most people, like me finding and playing with a bat I found hanging on a tree. I am beginning to sound more and more like the witch everyone accused me of being - - oh no this is starting to make sense. Whatever I am, I still don't like SPIDERS !!!!! ---------------------------------- End of Beth's Halloween report..... Well, long posts are no fun, sorry. Just thought I would spice things up a bit and see what you all think of it. I would especially like to hear from Julia on these experiences, I feel for some reason Julia, you will have some interesting things to say about them. Oh, yes, I have been OOBE'ing around a bit. I have gotten so good at putting myself in a trance state, that I am now trying to teach myself how to stay somewhat present with my body and still leave because I have been having heart problems due to sudden jolts back to my body because of interruptions, so I have slowed this down until I get more experience. My good friend says, I need to start getting more knowledge before I go any further since I seem to want to go so much faster than I am really ready for. Him and I have been doing some interesting work with charka's and healing it has been wonderful - nearly addicting. We are planning on doing some joint travel soon, I can hardly wait! Well this doesn't catch you up very much. Your welcome to respond, I may not have time to respond to all the responses, but know that I will read them. Love and peace to everyone, and hello to any newbies that I have not had the opportunity to meet. Beth ###### Message-ID: <3648FD94.1C48BA05@pop.slkc.uswest.net> Date: Tue, 10 Nov 1998 18:59:32 -0800 From: Beth Reply-To: oberoberts@uswest.net X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.04 [en] (Win95; U) MIME-Version: 1.0 Newsgroups: alt.out-of-body Subject: Re: Popped in for a short visit! References: <3647E8F9.BC567D37@pop.slkc.uswest.net> <3649fcb3.44891136@news.dial.pipex.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit NNTP-Posting-Host: 207.224.201.150 X-Trace: 10 Nov 1998 19:57:46 +0600, 207.224.201.150 Lines: 136 X-Report: Report abuse to abuse@uswest.net. Path: chonsp.franklin.ch!pfaff.ethz.ch!news-zh.switch.ch!news-ge.switch.ch!news.maxwell.syr.edu!newsfeed.berkeley.edu!su-news-hub1.bbnplanet.com!su-news-feed4.bbnplanet.com!news.gtei.net!newsfeed1.uswest.net!news1.uswest.net!207.224.201.150 Julia Hawkes-Moore wrote: > Thanks! I knew you'd pop in again now and then so I didn't > participate in the big farewell speeches! Ours is one of those links > which transcends time and space, Beth. I do agree with you Julia. > Anyway: With the spiders, I think they are forcing you to address > several important issues. One is, obviously, fear of spiders. I read > that for every person in the world there are 8 million spiders. I don't fear spiders really. I actually use to play with them when I was young. > Therefore, if you started squashing all 'yours', it would take the > rest of your life and be a complete waste of all your time and energy. > Therefore, that is a good reason to let them be. I agree. There was a specific reason for this. It had to do with the person who accidentally encouraged them to be here in their protective triangular guarding stance. > Another is that spiders do come into houses in Autumn, as the cold > weather suddenly starts to arrive, following their prey isects into > the warmth. You may well greet many more, but obviously you don't > want all 8 million at once, so don't be too welcoming... I agree with you on this. But it was the dream that prompted these particular spiders to be here. I do not normally get these type of spiders in my condo. > The most important point would be that you are about to take a > mejor step onwards and upwards in your spiritual journey. You need to > address the issue of killing things. For you, an animal lover, > squashing spiders does jar. Nearly all of the time, I capture the little creatures that like to visit my house and release them outside. I don't enjoy any form of killing. I go out of my way not to kill anything that breaths and moves, including plant life. However, from my journey I have learned that each and every living thing has its purpose to life and sometimes their purpose is death. For even an apple gives up its life to be eaten so that we may be a part of its gift. I am so very aware of this universal connection that sometimes I find it hard to live here. Everything has a purpose and as long as we respect and give those things the honor they deserve, our existence here will not harm but edify. > I don't know whether you are a vegetarian > yet, but if not, I would predict that you will become so soon, through > lack of will to eat meat rather than any more conscious decision, I > expect. I have not been one to eat a lot of meat. I don't enjoy it much. Once I saw a chicken slaughter, it was over a year before I could eat chicken again. I could very well live without meat but then I would have to live without everything that is alive at one point and then I would cease to exist here. Therefore, I choose to give all living things my respect and I use the life giving energy to give health and life to others. > I am certainly heading this way. Despite being surrounded by > vegetarians all my life, I have continued to eat some meats (not pork > offal or veal for various reasons) and I have participated in killing > animals to eat them. But meat has lost its savour since I began > meditating etc. Don't need it. > I don't need it either. It tends to make it harder to project. Chicken is still OK, but other more heavy meats do more harm than good. > Personally, I squash wasps, but each squashing involves a huge > moral dilemma these days. My current justification is that several of > my close friends are fatally allergic to wasp stings, and that I want > to protect my children from stings. > I am also allergic to bees. I love to watch them but do panic when they land on me. I have only been stung once as a child, and a swarm stung a few years ago because I accidentally invaded their home. I don't blame them, but damn, they could have just shooed me out I would have listened :) > But that doesn't apply to spiders, > I'm sorry to say. You have to look at your justification for squashing > and drowning them, Beth. The justification was they were invited without my permission, to do something that I did not need. It was not an intentional thing, but I needed to make my stand about my home. This is the sanctuary where my children and I reside. It is the one place in the world we all feel at peace and safe. I recently had to get rid of some very bad negative energy that was left in my home and I was making sure that it didn't return. Killing the spiders may have seemed severe, but in the scope of things, it was the proper thing to do to keep away the negative influence that seems to want to come here at times. > I used to scream and shriek at spiders until I recognised that I had > learned this silly behaviour from my mother, and stopped it. Spiders > respond very comfortably to being trapped in a glass, a piece of paper > slid under its open end, and released in the great outdoors. Go, on, > give it a go! After your first one, all the others are easy, and > you'll be catching them in your hands within the year! > I am sure you are right about this, considering where I am headed in my life. > I know that there is a vegetarian religion called Jainism in India, > where the followers wear cotton masks to prevent accidentally inhaling > even a fly, and walk very slowly brushing aside any insects in their > path. You and I may end up like that, eventually, Beth, but at least > you won't get those 8 million squashed spiders just waiting eagerly > for you to arrive in the afterlife and to wreak their spidery > revenge.... OK, I have received my chewing out for the week. Thank you for your admonishments. I will be more careful. Next time I will just ask them what they are doing here and ask them to leave. About the rattle snakes. When I was 19 years old, I would take rattle snakes out of an aquarium and hold them and communicate with them. Usually there were up to ten snakes in the aquarium. Not once did any of them attempt to bite me nor did they appear upset when I would reach in and take one of them out. I guess it was part of my naivety about me and nature in that I didn't know that you shouldn't do it. I had one other instance with a rattler in the desert, while lying down basking in the sun in the middle of nowhere, a very large rattle snake managed to curl up by the tree above my head and shook its rattle while looking down upon my face. I didn't realize it was a snake until I opened my eyes and saw this large snake looking down at me. I have to say, this time I was not amused, I believe this was the first time I defied gravity and transported my body ten feet in one jump (I later measured) so this in not an exaggeration. I would have just sent the snake on its way, but the person with me grabbed a shot gun he had, and shot him. There was nothing left of that snake. I felt very bad, it had not harmed me and it had every opportunity to. Just another peek into my weird life :) Thanks, Beth ###### From: J L Williams Newsgroups: alt.out-of-body Subject: Re: Popped in for a short visit! Date: Tue, 10 Nov 1998 19:49:53 GMT Lines: 29 Message-ID: <1998111019495375767@zetnet.co.uk> References: <3647E8F9.BC567D37@pop.slkc.uswest.net> NNTP-Posting-Host: user-10003900.zetnet.co.uk X-Mailer: ZIMACS Version 1.20c 10003900 Path: chonsp.franklin.ch!pfaff.ethz.ch!news-zh.switch.ch!news.belnet.be!newsfeed.wirehub.nl!ayres.ftech.net!news.ftech.net!demeter.clara.net!news.clara.net!peer.news.zetnet.net!zetnet.co.uk!user-10003900.zetnet.co.uk!not-for-mail The message <3647E8F9.BC567D37@pop.slkc.uswest.net> from Beth contains these words: > Hi everyone! > I had a few moments of boring down time around here and thought I > would visit you all. I see I have missed much, but that life goes on in > the group. Hi Beth, have missed your posts even though I'm mainly a lurker. Liked your post, you do live an interesting life :) Much more interesting than hanging around here I wont even attempt to guess what it means ? Best of luck with the Ph D JIm <> > Love and peace to everyone, and hello to any newbies that I have not had > the opportunity to meet. > Beth ###### From: hawksmoor@dial.pipex.com (Julia Hawkes-Moore) Newsgroups: alt.out-of-body Subject: Re: Popped in for a short visit! Date: Wed, 11 Nov 1998 21:40:01 GMT Organization: UUNET WorldCom server (post doesn't reflect views of UUNET WorldCom) Lines: 115 Message-ID: <3649fcb3.44891136@news.dial.pipex.com> References: <3647E8F9.BC567D37@pop.slkc.uswest.net> NNTP-Posting-Host: aa237.du.pipex.com X-Newsreader: Forte Free Agent 1.1/16.230 Path: chonsp.franklin.ch!pfaff.ethz.ch!news-zh.switch.ch!news.belnet.be!newsfeed.wirehub.nl!diablo.theplanet.net!news-lond.gip.net!news.gsl.net!gip.net!rill.news.pipex.net!pipex!bore.news.pipex.net!pipex!not-for-mail On Mon, 09 Nov 1998 23:19:21 -0800, Beth wrote: Good news post snipped: > I later occurred to me the significance of the clock being >thrown off the wall with the hands going around fast, was my son's >emotional energy had actually initiated the event. I later spoke with >my son about it and the very next day I ended up reading about this type >of experience and what causes it. Needless to say, I have given birth >to a very powerful child, bright and gifted. Now I am more convinced >than ever, he needs special training that only a mother who understand >these abilities can give. And so he has chosen to be born to a mother who will give him all the support, good humour and information he needs in his challenging life ahead! Good for both of you! Fun ahead! I went upstairs to sleep last Sunday afternoon, whilst my husband and his mum looked after my two little boys. Normally, they never interrupt Mummy's rare sleeps, but play quietly until I return, then they ask "Nice sleep, Mummy?" bless them. This time, I was about to wing out on a really big journey, when my two little boys jumped on me, kissing and giggling and cuddling me. They were not alarmed or worried in any way about me travelling, but they had picked up on what I was doing from three rooms and a floor away. I think that rather than 'holding me back' they both wanted to come with me. We were all snuggling down to float off together when Daddy arrived to chase them downstairs to let me sleep. I could not complain, but this incident promises good fun for the future! Spider story snipped: > What the h - e - double - l is going on? Do I need to exercise my >house or something? In the two years I have been here, I have not had 3 >black spiders come in my house on the same day, within the same hour. >There have probably only been two or three black spiders in this house >the whole time I have lived here. I find it more interesting that they >all appeared during the time when my friend is at his attorney >practicing for >his deposition that occurred on Monday. >> Oh please no more spiders, I hate spiders - - they are the only real >insect that I dislike, I would >just assume play with rattlesnakes than mess with spiders. Which I have >>by the way, played with rattlesnakes - - I'll tell you about it >sometime, it was when I was about 19, and still naive to the fact that >this wasn't a normal behavior for most people, like me finding and >playing with a bat I found hanging on a tree. I am beginning to sound >more and more like the witch everyone accused me of being - - oh no this >is starting to make sense. Whatever I am, I still don't like SPIDERS !!!!! Oh, go on, tell us about playing with snakes... >Well, long posts are no fun, sorry. Just thought I would spice things >up a bit and see what you all think of it. I would especially like to >hear from Julia on these experiences, I feel for some reason Julia, you >will have some interesting things to say about them. Thanks! I knew you'd pop in again now and then so I didn't participate in the big farewell speeches! Ours is one of those links which transcends time and space, Beth. Anyway: With the spiders, I think they are forcing you to address several important issues. One is, obviously, fear of spiders. I read that for every person in the world there are 8 million spiders. Therefore, if you started squashing all 'yours', it would take the rest of your life and be a complete waste of all your time and energy. Therefore, that is a good reason to let them be. Another is that spiders do come into houses in Autumn, as the cold weather suddenly starts to arrive, following their prey isects into the warmth. You may well greet many more, but obviously you don't want all 8 million at once, so don't be too welcoming... The most important point would be that you are about to take a mejor step onwards and upwards in your spiritual journey. You need to address the issue of killing things. For you, an animal lover, squashing spiders does jar. I don't know whether you are a vegetarian yet, but if not, I would predict that you will become so soon, through lack of will to eat meat rather than any more conscious decision, I expect. I am certainly heading this way. Despite being surrounded by vegetarians all my life, I have continued to eat some meats (not pork offal or veal for various reasons) and I have participated in killing animals to eat them. But meat has lost its savour since I began meditating etc. Don't need it. Personally, I squash wasps, but each squashing involves a huge moral dilemma these days. My current justification is that several of my close friends are fatally allergic to wasp stings, and that I want to protect my children from stings. But that doesn't apply to spiders, I'm sorry to say. You have to look at your justification for squashing and drowning them, Beth. I used to scream and shriek at spiders until I recognised that I had learned this silly behaviour from my mother, and stopped it. Spiders respond very comfortably to being trapped in a glass, a piece of paper slid under its open end, and released in the great outdoors. Go, on, give it a go! After your first one, all the others are easy, and you'll be catching them in your hands within the year! I know that there is a vegetarian religion called Jainism in India, where the followers wear cotton masks to prevent accidentally inhaling even a fly, and walk very slowly brushing aside any insects in their path. You and I may end up like that, eventually, Beth, but at least you won't get those 8 million squashed spiders just waiting eagerly for you to arrive in the afterlife and to wreak their spidery revenge.... > >Oh, yes, I have been OOBE'ing around a bit. I have gotten so good at >putting myself in a trance state, that I am now trying to teach myself >how to stay somewhat present with my body and still leave because I have >been having heart problems due to sudden jolts back to my body because >of interruptions, so I have slowed this down until I get more >experience. My good friend says, I need to start getting more knowledge >before I go any further since I seem to want to go so much faster than I >am really ready for. >>Him and I have been doing some interesting work with charka's and >healing it has been wonderful - nearly addicting. We are planning on >doing some joint travel soon, I can hardly wait! Wow! good fun ahead! Glad to hear from you again, Beth. Love from Julia HM. ###### From: null@void.void (Enigma) Newsgroups: alt.out-of-body Subject: Re: Popped in for a short visit! Date: Wed, 11 Nov 1998 19:37:21 GMT Organization: the void that is not void Message-ID: <3649df7e.8359842@usenet.idirect.com> References: <3647E8F9.BC567D37@pop.slkc.uswest.net> <3649fcb3.44891136@news.dial.pipex.com> <3648FD94.1C48BA05@pop.slkc.uswest.net> X-Newsreader: Forte Free Agent 1.11/32.235 NNTP-Posting-Host: 209.161.244.56 Lines: 30 Path: chonsp.franklin.ch!pfaff.ethz.ch!news-zh.switch.ch!news.belnet.be!isdnet!howland.erols.net!news-peer.gip.net!news.gsl.net!gip.net!cyclone.news.idirect.com!island.idirect.com!relay.news.idirect.com!oasis.idirect.com!209.161.244.56 On Tue, 10 Nov 1998 18:59:32 -0800, Beth wrote: > >Julia Hawkes-Moore wrote: >> I used to scream and shriek at spiders until I recognised that I had >> learned this silly behaviour from my mother, and stopped it. Spiders >> respond very comfortably to being trapped in a glass, a piece of paper >> slid under its open end, and released in the great outdoors. Go, on, >> give it a go! After your first one, all the others are easy, and >> you'll be catching them in your hands within the year! >> > >I am sure you are right about this, considering where I am headed in my life. Since Beth specifically mentioned seeing a Black Widow spider, I want to point out that it is probably not a good idea to attempt to pick up a Black Widow spider in your hand, although Beth is probably already aware of this. I just thought I'd mention it just in case. :-) The reason for this is that the Black Widow spider is poisonous. I have read that it's bite can be deadly to humans. Also I have read that the Black Widow spider is known to try to byte if it is touched or prodded directly. The female Black Widow spider is distinguishable by a reddish hour glass shaped mark which is located on it's underside. The male is smaller and has some reddish markings on it's side if I remember correctly. I'm not sure if both the male and female are equally posionous or if it is just the female that is dangerous. regards, Enigma ###### Message-ID: <364A23A2.4EE1@geocities.com> From: Life-Saver Reply-To: life-saver@geocities.com Organization: none X-Mailer: Mozilla 3.01Gold (Win95; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 Newsgroups: alt.out-of-body Subject: Re: Popped in for a short visit! References: <3647E8F9.BC567D37@pop.slkc.uswest.net> <3649fcb3.44891136@news.dial.pipex.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Lines: 32 Date: Wed, 11 Nov 1998 23:55:35 GMT NNTP-Posting-Host: 206.172.247.20 NNTP-Posting-Date: Wed, 11 Nov 1998 18:55:35 EDT Path: chonsp.franklin.ch!pfaff.ethz.ch!news-zh.switch.ch!news-ge.switch.ch!news.maxwell.syr.edu!cyclone.news.idirect.com!island.idirect.com!news1.bellglobal.com!news20.bellglobal.com.POSTED!not-for-mail > I'm sorry to say. You have to look at your justification for squashing > and drowning them, Beth. heh.. did a spider ever tried to kill you?... happened to me.. I was driving, and one dropped from the ceiling of my car just in front of me... I went into panic after she jumped on me as I tried to smash it against the window. I then looked at it while she was near my stomac. I tried to squash it on myself, and she jumped higher! (talk about suspense... WHEN YOU'RE DRIVING!!!!!!!!!!) cause after that I hear a horn telling me I was gonna kill the spidey by having an accident... I avoided the car by a foot or less, and then stopped on the roadside...the little devil was gone... no trace... I heard that in she still crawls about at night inside de car.. waiting.. waiting.. (evil laugh) > I know that there is a vegetarian religion called Jainism in India, > where the followers wear cotton masks to prevent accidentally inhaling > even a fly, and walk very slowly brushing aside any insects in their > path. You and I may end up like that, eventually, Beth, but at least > you won't get those 8 million squashed spiders just waiting eagerly > for you to arrive in the afterlife and to wreak their spidery > revenge.... its not because they are "vegys" its because they strongly believe in reincarnation and they don't want to kill someont who would have reincarned himself as a bug... simple respect for others... aah the life of a bug! either living a month, or being squashed after 3 days... Life-Saver life-saver@geocities.com http://www.geocities.com/area51/lair/5498 ###### Message-ID: <364A2EC9.7481F30E@the.end.of.the.message> Date: Thu, 12 Nov 1998 11:41:45 +1100 From: Craig Organization: Deja Vous X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.05 [en] (Win95; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 Newsgroups: alt.out-of-body Subject: Re: Popped in for a short visit! References: <3647E8F9.BC567D37@pop.slkc.uswest.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit NNTP-Posting-Host: 203.18.28.19 X-Trace: 12 Nov 1998 13:18:21 +1000, 203.18.28.19 Lines: 177 Path: chonsp.franklin.ch!pfaff.ethz.ch!news-zh.switch.ch!news.belnet.be!newsfeed.wirehub.nl!howland.erols.net!dca1-hub1.news.digex.net!digex!cyclone.i1.net!uunet!in4.uu.net!nap-ns1!203.18.28.19 Hi Beth. Have you been away? I could have sworn I could still feel you watching over the group in your absents. ;-) Great to hear from you again, nice to know all is well with you (except for the spiders!! ;-}) Hey, don't forget that spiders are only looked on as 'bad' in Western society Beth. Other cultures look at them as being good luck, good omens etc. :-) All the best Craig Beth wrote: > > Hi everyone! > > I had a few moments of boring down time around here and thought I > would visit you all. I see I have missed much, but that life goes on in > the group. By the way "Hi, Steve" glad to see that you have returned to > the group. I wish to apologize to all of you that I have not returned > mail to. When I said I was going on a vacation from this, I guess I > meant everything. > > It has been a good experience. I have gone through another growing > session. I have written much more poetry, and I am now applying for my > Ph.D. program. Things are looking great. I all ready have contacts > with the university I am applying at and the program will compliment my > need to develop my abilities. Probably not completely to the extent I > plan on developing them, but they are much more attune and open-minded > about alternative healing and health psychology. > > I have been having a few strange experiences around here too. I > have had to get back to reading up on stuff because my experiences > continue to surpass my knowledge. I tell you about two of the > experiences. Both I would catalog under "Strange Halloween Events." > Here it goes: > > Friday October 30th, 1998 > > I was talking on the phone with a friend I had not spoken with in > months. Her and I were trying to catch up on each other's lives. My > now five-year-old son kept impatiently going in and out of my room, > doing the usual mom's on the phone so I must be a pest thing. My > conversation took quite a long time. He was getting very frustrated > with me. I was trying to ignore him because the phone call at the time > was very important to me. I was just winding down the conversation and > trying to get off the phone in the next few minutes, my son had become > very quiet sitting at my doorway just staring off into the kitchen > area. I heard a loud crash. I looked at him and asked him what the > noise was, he did not move or respond. Well, I got off the phone and > went to him and again asked if he knew what the crash was, he said > nothing. I went to the kitchen area to find my oak wall clock in the > middle of the floor in pieces. I went to pick up the main part of the > clock and the hands started going around and around very, very fast like > you would see depicted in a movie trying to show that a lot of time had > passed. I noticed at this time that the battery to the clock was on the > floor several feet away and another part of the clock was a few feet > from that. I was freaked to say the least. I put the clock down and > the hands quite turning fast. I checked the nail on the wall and it was > very secure so I picked up the battery and put it back in the clock. > This time one hand went one way and the other hand went the other way > only slower than when I had picked it up before. I decided rather than > fix the clock, I would throw it away. I was too freaked out to mess > with it. I later occurred to me the significance of the clock being > thrown off the wall with the hands going around fast, was my son's > emotional energy had actually initiated the event. I later spoke with > my son about it and the very next day I ended up reading about this type > of experience and what causes it. Needless to say, I have given birth > to a very powerful child, bright and gifted. Now I am more convinced > than ever, he needs special training that only a mother who understand > these abilities can give. > > November 7, 1998 > > A friend I have been dating for a few months had a dream. This is > significant because although we all know we all dream, he rarely > remembers his. Anyway he told me about the dream he had it went like > this: His dream was about him and me sleeping in his bed at his house, > and he was startled awake by me screaming. There was a black widow > spider on me and so he grabbed the spider and took it outside and > stomped on it. > > Now after he told me about the dream, I gave him an interruption of > the dream. We both felt it was pretty accurate for what was going on in > his life at the time. Here is where it gets weird: > > Around 1pm today, my son joined me in the living room. Shortly after, > he pointed out a black spider on the wall by the pictures. After a > little bit of wrestling with the spider I eventually captured it and > flushed it down the toilet. Then about 15 minutes later when my son > joined me in the living room again, I noticed another black spider on > the ceiling by the entrance to the kitchen. I pointed that one out to > my son about the time the spider made a web and started to make its way > down from the ceiling. This time I got the broom (something us mystics > and witches seem to need :) ), and swept it off onto the floor and > smashed it. I don't believe two black spiders in my living room where > my son and I were within a fifteen minute period, both appearing only > after my son was in the room with me, is a coincidence. Especially > after, my friend's dream. The first black spider was much bigger, it > didn't > seem to be of the same species, but both were black. I have seen black > widow female spiders and I don't think they were, even though I have had > > a black widow spider in my room several months ago. > > Spider saga continues 3pm > > Spider number 3, arrived a few moments ago. This was definitely a > black widow. This one was found on the kitchen floor by where my son > had just left from, it was headed straight for the living room or my > bedroom where my son and I > were. > > What the h - e - double - l is going on? Do I need to exercise my > house or something? In the two years I have been here, I have not had 3 > > black spiders come in my house on the same day, within the same hour. > There have probably only been two or three black spiders in this house > the whole time I have lived here. I find it more interesting that they > all appeared during the time when my friend is at his attorney > practicing for > his deposition that occurred on Monday. > > Oh please no more spiders, I hate spiders - - they are the only real > insect that I dislike, I would > just assume play with rattlesnakes than mess with spiders. Which I have > > by the way, played with rattlesnakes - - I'll tell you about it > sometime, it was when I was about 19, and still naive to the fact that > this wasn't a normal behavior for most people, like me finding and > playing with a bat I found hanging on a tree. I am beginning to sound > more and more like the witch everyone accused me of being - - oh no this > > is starting to make sense. Whatever I am, I still don't like SPIDERS > !!!!! > > ---------------------------------- > End of Beth's Halloween report..... > > Well, long posts are no fun, sorry. Just thought I would spice things > up a bit and see what you all think of it. I would especially like to > hear from Julia on these experiences, I feel for some reason Julia, you > will have some interesting things to say about them. > > Oh, yes, I have been OOBE'ing around a bit. I have gotten so good at > putting myself in a trance state, that I am now trying to teach myself > how to stay somewhat present with my body and still leave because I have > been having heart problems due to sudden jolts back to my body because > of interruptions, so I have slowed this down until I get more > experience. My good friend says, I need to start getting more knowledge > before I go any further since I seem to want to go so much faster than I > am really ready for. > > Him and I have been doing some interesting work with charka's and > healing it has been wonderful - nearly addicting. We are planning on > doing some joint travel soon, I can hardly wait! > > Well this doesn't catch you up very much. Your welcome to respond, I > may not have time to respond to all the responses, but know that I will > read them. > > Love and peace to everyone, and hello to any newbies that I have not had > the opportunity to meet. > > Beth -- The sure way to make a thing impossible- -is to think it so. --- Franklin To respond, delete _nospam_ scrappy@_nospam_netconnect.com.au -- ###### From: hawksmoor@dial.pipex.com (Julia Hawkes-Moore) Newsgroups: alt.out-of-body Subject: Re: Popped in for a short visit! Date: Thu, 12 Nov 1998 22:28:35 GMT Organization: UUNET WorldCom server (post doesn't reflect views of UUNET WorldCom) Lines: 16 Message-ID: <364b60de.1191762@news.dial.pipex.com> References: <3647E8F9.BC567D37@pop.slkc.uswest.net> <3649fcb3.44891136@news.dial.pipex.com> <3648FD94.1C48BA05@pop.slkc.uswest.net> <3649df7e.8359842@usenet.idirect.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: aa153.du.pipex.com X-Newsreader: Forte Free Agent 1.1/16.230 Path: chonsp.franklin.ch!pfaff.ethz.ch!news-zh.switch.ch!news.belnet.be!newsgate.cistron.nl!het.net!news.tele2.nl!newsfeed1.swip.net!swipnet!rill.news.pipex.net!pipex!bore.news.pipex.net!pipex!not-for-mail On Wed, 11 Nov 1998 19:37:21 GMT, null@void.void (Enigma) wrote: >Since Beth specifically mentioned seeing a Black Widow spider, I want >to point out that it is probably not a good idea to attempt to pick up >a Black Widow spider in your hand, although Beth is probably already >aware of this. I just thought I'd mention it just in case. :-) >The reason for this is that the Black Widow spider is poisonous. I >have read that it's bite can be deadly to humans. Also I have read >that the Black Widow spider is known to try to byte if it is touched >or prodded directly. The female Black Widow spider is distinguishable >by a reddish hour glass shaped mark which is located on it's >underside. The male is smaller and has some reddish markings on it's >side if I remember correctly. I'm not sure if both the male and female >are equally posionous or if it is just the female that is dangerous. Yeeeuch, I'm glad I live in nice safe England.... Julia.