From: "Bart" Newsgroups: alt.out-of-body Subject: Kundalini Date: Sun, 8 Nov 1998 20:39:38 -0500 Organization: ICGNetcom Lines: 49 Message-ID: <725hci$s9j@sjx-ixn9.ix.netcom.com> References: <71r33o$8bi@sjx-ixn4.ix.netcom.com> <3641ee6b.1216695@usenet.idirect.com> <720f3o$1us@dfw-ixnews5.ix.netcom.com> <36442324.669184@usenet.idirect.com> <72214r$g3o@dfw-ixnews3.ix.netcom.com> <3644a05a.2707110@usenet.idirect.com> <723up2$m8a@dfw-ixnews3.ix.netcom.com> <3645b54e.2094294@usenet.idirect.com> <724jod$fg6@dfw-ixnews5.ix.netcom.com> <364625ef.4643177@usenet.idirect.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: clv-oh41-53.ix.netcom.com X-NETCOM-Date: Sun Nov 08 5:43:46 PM PST 1998 X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.3110.1 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.3110.3 Path: chonsp.franklin.ch!pfaff.ethz.ch!news-zh.switch.ch!news.belnet.be!news-raspail.gip.net!news-peer.gip.net!news.gsl.net!gip.net!ix.netcom.com!news Enigma wrote in message <364625ef.4643177@usenet.idirect.com>... >I read an >interesting book once by a guy named Gopi Krishna who apparently >experienced a spontaneous awakening of Kundalini, and suffered for >many years trying to come to terms with what was happening to him. His >book was called "Kundalini - The Evolutionary Energy in Man" (now >apparently republished under the title "Living with Kundalini". The >book is an autobiographical account of what he went through, and >apparently he suffered quite a bit and was unable to find anyone who >had real knowledge of what was happening to him and who could help >him. It is a very interesting read since it is by someone who >apparently actually had true experience of what Kundalini is. His >description doesn't match at all some of the popular descriptions of >what Kundalini is supposed to be like. There is some information about >Gopi Krishna at: >http://web.stn.net/icr I went to the site. According to Gopi, it sounds like the awakening of Kundalini is the same as the 'vibrations' mentioned in this group. In my personal experience with something very powerful arising within me, I must admit that it seems related. I've been meaning to bring this up for a long time. I find it quite interesting that most people who practice OBE or LD are quite creative. The two situations go hand in hand. Interesting note - my wife told me that one of the reasons she couldn't live with me was, "because you are too creative." I doubt I'll ever understand that comment, but, I'm bound to live with it... On pondering the situation, I suppose it was kind of difficult to live with someone who wanted to make everything instead of just going out and buying it... Kundalini is a life force. We are most alive when we create... Creativity is my religion, and when I am in a position that I cannot be creative, then I am decaying. I've avoided direct investigation of Kundalini simply because the word itself is foreign. Now I realize I've been dipping into it for years. It's obvious to me that a number of other posters here have also been delving into its process. Thanks for the link, Enigma. Bart ###### From: null@void.void (Enigma) Newsgroups: alt.out-of-body Subject: Re: Kundalini Date: Mon, 09 Nov 1998 05:42:44 GMT Organization: the void that is not void Message-ID: <364670ab.2176754@usenet.idirect.com> References: <71r33o$8bi@sjx-ixn4.ix.netcom.com> <3641ee6b.1216695@usenet.idirect.com> <720f3o$1us@dfw-ixnews5.ix.netcom.com> <36442324.669184@usenet.idirect.com> <72214r$g3o@dfw-ixnews3.ix.netcom.com> <3644a05a.2707110@usenet.idirect.com> <723up2$m8a@dfw-ixnews3.ix.netcom.com> <3645b54e.2094294@usenet.idirect.com> <724jod$fg6@dfw-ixnews5.ix.netcom.com> <364625ef.4643177@usenet.idirect.com> <725hci$s9j@sjx-ixn9.ix.netcom.com> X-Newsreader: Forte Free Agent 1.11/32.235 NNTP-Posting-Host: ts7-65t-40.idirect.com Lines: 73 Path: chonsp.franklin.ch!pfaff.ethz.ch!news-zh.switch.ch!news-ge.switch.ch!news-fra1.dfn.de!newsfeed.pop.de!cyclone.news.idirect.com!island.idirect.com!relay.news.idirect.com!oasis.idirect.com!ts7-65t-40.idirect.com On Sun, 8 Nov 1998 20:39:38 -0500, "Bart" wrote: >Enigma wrote in message <364625ef.4643177@usenet.idirect.com>... > >>what Kundalini is supposed to be like. There is some information about >>Gopi Krishna at: >>http://web.stn.net/icr > > >I went to the site. According to Gopi, it sounds like the awakening of >Kundalini is the same as the 'vibrations' mentioned in this group. In my >personal experience with something very powerful arising within me, I must >admit that it seems related. Hmm, I'd be hesitant to relate the vibrations in OBE's directly to an awakening of Kundalini, as based on my limited understanding I think the awakening of Kundalini is something that occurs on a much more profound level. I understand it as the initiating of a transformation process, rather than a minor effect that is turned on and off like a lamp. This is what I meant when I said that I think Gopi Krishna's description of Kundalini differs from some popular views where some people seem to think they can turn Kundalini on and off at will for their own purposes. I suspect that what people are actually doing in such cases is controlling mechanisms in their subtle energy systems and it has nothing directly to do with awakening Kundalini. That is not to say that working with one's subtle energy system can't cause an awakening of Kundalini, as I think that actaully is the basis of some forms of yoga. I would be more inclined to think that the vibrations that are sometimes experienced in OBE's are due more to a shifting of focus in consciousness to a level more in tune with the subtle energy systems which I believe coexist with our physical body. My experience also leads me to suspect that OBE's are directly related to the circulation of subtle energy and the stimulation of mechanisms within these subtle energy systems which we all have whether we have had a Kundalini awakening or not. Again my understanding (which could be way off) is that the awakening of Kundalini is more like an acceleration which initiates a transformation process on those subtle energy systems and consequently the physical body as well. There are apparently degrees of Kundalini awakening however, and the effects vary from person to person. >I've been meaning to bring this up for a long time. I find it quite >interesting that most people who practice OBE or LD are quite creative. The >two situations go hand in hand. I think Gopi Krishna relates creativity directly to the Kundalini energy. Creativity can take many forms though. I would think that the creativity that arises from the awakening of Kundalini would be of a high order, but perhaps it depends on the degree of the Kundalini awakening. >Interesting note - my wife told me that one of the reasons she couldn't live >with me was, "because you are too creative." I doubt I'll ever understand >that comment, but, I'm bound to live with it... On pondering the situation, >I suppose it was kind of difficult to live with someone who wanted to make >everything instead of just going out and buying it... Hehheh, yeah I guess that could be hard to handle if a person is more concerned about end results than the fun of gettting there. :-) >I've avoided direct investigation of Kundalini simply because the word >itself is foreign. Now I realize I've been dipping into it for years. It's >obvious to me that a number of other posters here have also been delving >into its process. That may well be the case. regards, Enigma ###### From: happy2ceu@aol.com (Happy2ceu) Newsgroups: alt.out-of-body Subject: Re: Kundalini Lines: 2 NNTP-Posting-Host: ladder03.news.aol.com X-Admin: news@aol.com Date: 9 Nov 1998 11:52:44 GMT Organization: AOL http://www.aol.com References: <364670ab.2176754@usenet.idirect.com> Message-ID: <19981109065244.23681.00000824@ng-fq1.aol.com> Path: chonsp.franklin.ch!pfaff.ethz.ch!news-zh.switch.ch!news-ge.switch.ch!news.maxwell.syr.edu!cpk-news-hub1.bbnplanet.com!news.news.gtei.net!portc02.blue.aol.com!audrey03.news.aol.com!not-for-mail what is Kundalini? Laura :) ###### From: null@void.void (Enigma) Newsgroups: alt.out-of-body Subject: Re: Kundalini Date: Mon, 09 Nov 1998 15:08:05 GMT Organization: the void that is not void Message-ID: <3647043c.463147@usenet.idirect.com> References: <364670ab.2176754@usenet.idirect.com> <19981109065244.23681.00000824@ng-fq1.aol.com> X-Newsreader: Forte Free Agent 1.11/32.235 NNTP-Posting-Host: ts7-34t-6.idirect.com Lines: 12 Path: chonsp.franklin.ch!pfaff.ethz.ch!news-zh.switch.ch!news.belnet.be!newsgate.cistron.nl!het.net!news-feed.inet.tele.dk!bofh.vszbr.cz!newshub.northeast.verio.net!cyclone.news.idirect.com!island.idirect.com!relay.news.idirect.com!oasis.idirect.com!ts7-34t-6.idirect.com On 9 Nov 1998 11:52:44 GMT, happy2ceu@aol.com (Happy2ceu) wrote: >what is Kundalini? I wish I had a clear answer for that myself but I don't. There is a description of Kundalini at the following site which might help a bit: http://web.stn.net/icr/kunddefn.html regards, Enigma ###### From: hawksmoor@dial.pipex.com (Julia Hawkes-Moore) Newsgroups: alt.out-of-body Subject: Re: Kundalini Date: Tue, 10 Nov 1998 18:41:44 GMT Organization: UUNET WorldCom server (post doesn't reflect views of UUNET WorldCom) Message-ID: <36487cd3.385738@news.dial.pipex.com> References: <71r33o$8bi@sjx-ixn4.ix.netcom.com> <3641ee6b.1216695@usenet.idirect.com> <720f3o$1us@dfw-ixnews5.ix.netcom.com> <36442324.669184@usenet.idirect.com> <72214r$g3o@dfw-ixnews3.ix.netcom.com> <3644a05a.2707110@usenet.idirect.com> <723up2$m8a@dfw-ixnews3.ix.netcom.com> <3645b54e.2094294@usenet.idirect.com> <724jod$fg6@dfw-ixnews5.ix.netcom.com> <364625ef.4643177@usenet.idirect.com> <725hci$s9j@sjx-ixn9.ix.netcom.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: aa210.du.pipex.com X-Newsreader: Forte Free Agent 1.1/16.230 Lines: 110 Path: chonsp.franklin.ch!pfaff.ethz.ch!news-zh.switch.ch!news.belnet.be!195.200.0.51.MISMATCH!newshub.bart.net!ayres.ftech.net!news.ftech.net!dispose.news.demon.net!demon!rill.news.pipex.net!pipex!bore.news.pipex.net!pipex!not-for-mail On Sun, 8 Nov 1998 20:39:38 -0500, "Bart" wrote: >I've been meaning to bring this up for a long time. I find it quite >interesting that most people who practice OBE or LD are quite creative. The >two situations go hand in hand. Yes, I have recognised that the nature of creativity is the most fascinating area of study to me. Creativity is divinely inspired, literally 'God-given'. Channeled through us creativity gives us the chance of glimpsing glory. As far as I understand it, Kundalini is the opportunity to participate in that glory. We here have all 'been there' already: Obeing or meditating deeply, your head expands, floats 'blows your mind', lifts upwards. Listen to Mozart or Bach or some of the Beatles songs, and the hackles rise along the back of your neck, your skin crawls over your shoulders. That same glimpse of glory makes your heart contract and throb within you watching a fine sunset, staring at a fabulous painting (Holbein, Vermeer and Ingres do it for me) or beholding the serene face of your lover or your sleeping child. Your throat gags and chokes with unshed tears reading aloud exquisite poetry or a splendid speech. Your belly twists and thrums with emotion at the sight of starving refugee children or film of the carnage in the trenches of WW1, real 'gut-feeling'. In fear, you shrink yourself away to hide inside your navel, wishing for the umbilical cord to protect you and nourish you within the safety and cease of the womb. In love or lust, your bowels churn and burn. All these sensations are powered by the chakras opening and spinning, sucking the energy of creativity into your spine. Develop and enhance the awareness of all these new and vivid energies, and you can bring the root or base energy of your being climbing and pushing up your spine, energising and empowering all the upper or 'higher' chakras. This is how I power my 'Rainbow Meditation' for astral travel. The frequent and regular use of this power system causes the 'head' of the native energies within you to gradually climb upwards from your root. This is the rising of Kundalini. In the last year, mine has risen from the lower spine up through all the other chakras and is currently lodged in my throat. Another healer friend is 'stuck' at the same place. Not a problem. The successive rise from each chakra has been due to an insight or revelation, or understanding, which cleared out the tangle of past confusions resting there. The throat issue is about communication, and addresses my need to write more and to talk more. I've just made contact with the director of a leading radio station looking for 'characters' for live discussion groups, plus hosting a conference about creativity and spirituality, so I might get lucky with that. Once through this next stage, then I'm up to the third eye chakra. As yet, I cannot envisage the issues I will have to deal with there, because they will come as a surprise to me. But I am training myself through reading, interaction and meditation to cope with the issues then. After that I have to make the decision about moving the Kundalini (literally 'Curl in the pubic hair of the beloved'! Think about it!) up to the Crown Chakra. This is the point at which all the scary and eerie things happen; impossible high temperatures for weeks, panic, fear, pain, loneliness, and union with the divine. As Bart knows, once you reach that stage, there is no going back to an ordinary state of being. I might postpone this for twenty or more years. A lot of people do. Many more people never begin to do it at all. But I will: I have already glimpsed, sought and immersed myself in happiness and joy. I like it. I want more, and I want to learn how to share that joy with more and more people along the way. Hard work is creativity. Through hard work, creativity is achieved. Through achievement, creativity can be shared. Through sharing, the divine can be experienced. Creativity is love. > >Interesting note - my wife told me that one of the reasons she couldn't live >with me was, "because you are too creative." I doubt I'll ever understand >that comment, but, I'm bound to live with it... On pondering the situation, >I suppose it was kind of difficult to live with someone who wanted to make >everything instead of just going out and buying it... Only for her. For the last million years of human history everyone made everything instead of going out to buy it. Through technology, civilisation was created, for better or for worse. Sharing the processes and results of creativity is civilisation, it is the family, and it is Love. Love is divine. Go find yourself a better woman than her, Bart. Deeper, stronger, higher, finer, kinder, more powerful. Funnier. Better. > >Kundalini is a life force. We are most alive when we create... Creativity >is my religion, and when I am in a position that I cannot be creative, then >I am decaying. I agree. How is the glasswork coming along, Bart? Woodturning and cabinetmaking are perhaps my favourites, but cooking, writing, drawing, dancing, singing, gardening, painting, sewing, organising festivals, calligraphy, architecture, storytelling, poetry, public speaking.... etc etc etc are all good too. Oh, yes, so is bringing up children! > >I've avoided direct investigation of Kundalini simply because the word >itself is foreign. Now I realize I've been dipping into it for years. It's >obvious to me that a number of other posters here have also been delving >into its process. Yes, I've been doing a lot of reading about it. The so-called experts try hard to scare people away, Gopi Krishna amongst them. They also say that you have to be trained by a 'Master', which, to me, involves some far scarier stuff. Kundalini can happen 'accidentally' to the uninitiated, yes, suddenly and terrifyingly. Or you can learn about it, study it, and accept it calmly as it happens gradually. If you are dedicated to the rocky path of self-discovery and enlightenment, it will happen to you along the way. I'm not there yet, so I have no idea about what happens after the Kundalini awakes fully. Certainly a 'proficiency' and frequency of OOBEs and bilocation experiences are a very likely result. I'll let you know when I get there. Stick around, it may take a few decades! All best wishes, Julia Hawkes-Moore. ###### From: null@void.void (Enigma) Newsgroups: alt.out-of-body Subject: Re: Kundalini Date: Mon, 09 Nov 1998 20:47:57 GMT Organization: the void that is not void Message-ID: <36475114.1122549@usenet.idirect.com> References: <71r33o$8bi@sjx-ixn4.ix.netcom.com> <3641ee6b.1216695@usenet.idirect.com> <720f3o$1us@dfw-ixnews5.ix.netcom.com> <36442324.669184@usenet.idirect.com> <72214r$g3o@dfw-ixnews3.ix.netcom.com> <3644a05a.2707110@usenet.idirect.com> <723up2$m8a@dfw-ixnews3.ix.netcom.com> <3645b54e.2094294@usenet.idirect.com> <724jod$fg6@dfw-ixnews5.ix.netcom.com> <364625ef.4643177@usenet.idirect.com> <725hci$s9j@sjx-ixn9.ix.netcom.com> <36487cd3.385738@news.dial.pipex.com> X-Newsreader: Forte Free Agent 1.11/32.235 NNTP-Posting-Host: 209.161.244.194 Lines: 33 Path: chonsp.franklin.ch!pfaff.ethz.ch!news-zh.switch.ch!news-ge.switch.ch!news.maxwell.syr.edu!cyclone.news.idirect.com!island.idirect.com!relay.news.idirect.com!oasis.idirect.com!209.161.244.194 On Tue, 10 Nov 1998 18:41:44 GMT, hawksmoor@dial.pipex.com (Julia Hawkes-Moore) wrote: > Yes, I've been doing a lot of reading about it. The so-called >experts try hard to scare people away, Gopi Krishna amongst them. Hi Julia, I think it would not be fair at all to say that Gopi Krishna ever tried to scare anyone away from Kundalini. In fact he devoted the later years of his life to promoting a better understanding of what Kundalini is, as he believed that a better understanding of Kundalini by all was essential in moving the evolution of mankind forward. >They also say that you have to be trained by a 'Master', which, to me, >involves some far scarier stuff. Kundalini can happen 'accidentally' >to the uninitiated, yes, suddenly and terrifyingly. Or you can learn >about it, study it, and accept it calmly as it happens gradually. I don't know if Gopi Krishna ever recommended following a master, as he seemed to be of the opinion that there are very few if any masters around who really understand it. I think what he did do though is recommend caution about experimenting with something without proper understanding of what was involved. I think that is why he devoted so much time to trying to demystify and explain Kundalini, so people could approach it with a better understanding of what is involved. In other words he was promoting Kundalini, not trying to scare people away at all. Just my humbke opinion on the matter. :-) regards, Enigma