From: "Bart" Newsgroups: alt.out-of-body Subject: Just flippin'out all over the place... Date: Wed, 4 Nov 1998 21:34:43 -0500 Organization: ICGNetcom Lines: 34 Message-ID: <71r33o$8bi@sjx-ixn4.ix.netcom.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: clv-oh39-40.ix.netcom.com X-NETCOM-Date: Wed Nov 04 6:38:48 PM PST 1998 X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.3110.1 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.3110.3 Path: chonsp.franklin.ch!pfaff.ethz.ch!news-zh.switch.ch!news.belnet.be!newsfeed.wirehub.nl!howland.erols.net!ix.netcom.com!news I can't believe it... I really can't. I told you folks about my thoughts on the moon. I also mentioned my curiosity of Reiki being taught and practiced in a Catholic based hospital. Then I even wrote a song based on the tune of "Aquarius". Today I walked out of a Catholic based hospital owned by the same group of nuns (different hospital than before - same city). I had actually, just moments before, asked a technician about the practice of Reiki in the other hospital. That technician never heard of the practice. No big deal, but as I'm walking out of the hospital, I remember that tonight is the full moon meeting at Ayers Rock. I then continue to walk toward the parking lot. In the background I hear bells from the church tower next to the hospital. I get half way across the parking lot and suddenly the tune of the bells penetrates me - it was the tune of "Aquarius"!!!!! I couldn't believe it!!!! I stood there, in the middle of the parking lot, with the first snow of the season falling around me, listening to "Aquarius" being played from a Catholic church tower... It just totally blew me away... Isn't astrology frowned on by Catholicism? Also, the coincidence is just incredible... I haven't actually heard the song "Aquarius" in probably the last 10 or more years... I even dropped into a music store the other day to see if I could find the music sheet for it - with out any luck... Now, today, on the full moon, just a few days after posting the simple poetry, I hear the music being played from a church tower? A song derived from astrology being played from a Catholic church bell tower? What a trip! Does anybody else see anything odd with this picture? Bart ###### From: Lucid Newsgroups: alt.out-of-body Subject: Re: Just flippin'out all over the place... Date: 04 Nov 1998 19:51:49 PST Organization: Concentric Internet Services Lines: 41 Message-ID: <36411E40.B4636243@hotmail.com> References: <71r33o$8bi@sjx-ixn4.ix.netcom.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: ts005d43.oak-ca.concentric.net Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.04 [en] (Win95; U) Path: chonsp.franklin.ch!pfaff.ethz.ch!news-zh.switch.ch!news-ge.switch.ch!news.maxwell.syr.edu!news.pbi.net!131.119.28.147!su-news-hub1.bbnplanet.com!news.gtei.net!newsfeed.concentric.net!207.155.183.80.MISMATCH!global-news-master If you belief in the theory that "You create your own reality"...then I don't see anything odd about it. You pull people and circumstances into your life that you wanted to experience...it's just a higher natural law. lucid. Bart wrote: > I can't believe it... I really can't. > > I told you folks about my thoughts on the moon. I also mentioned my > curiosity of Reiki being taught and practiced in a Catholic based hospital. > Then I even wrote a song based on the tune of "Aquarius". > > Today I walked out of a Catholic based hospital owned by the same group of > nuns (different hospital than before - same city). I had actually, just > moments before, asked a technician about the practice of Reiki in the other > hospital. That technician never heard of the practice. No big deal, but as > I'm walking out of the hospital, I remember that tonight is the full moon > meeting at Ayers Rock. I then continue to walk toward the parking lot. In > the background I hear bells from the church tower next to the hospital. I > get half way across the parking lot and suddenly the tune of the bells > penetrates me - it was the tune of "Aquarius"!!!!! I couldn't believe > it!!!! I stood there, in the middle of the parking lot, with the first snow > of the season falling around me, listening to "Aquarius" being played from a > Catholic church tower... It just totally blew me away... > > Isn't astrology frowned on by Catholicism? Also, the coincidence is just > incredible... I haven't actually heard the song "Aquarius" in probably the > last 10 or more years... I even dropped into a music store the other day to > see if I could find the music sheet for it - with out any luck... Now, > today, on the full moon, just a few days after posting the simple poetry, I > hear the music being played from a church tower? A song derived from > astrology being played from a Catholic church bell tower? What a trip! > > Does anybody else see anything odd with this picture? > > Bart ###### From: Zac Newsgroups: alt.out-of-body Subject: Re: Just flippin'out all over the place... Date: Wed, 04 Nov 1998 20:30:50 -0800 Organization: ICGNetcom Lines: 90 Message-ID: <364129F9.1D77@geocities.com> References: <71r33o$8bi@sjx-ixn4.ix.netcom.com> Reply-To: psycho_dude@geocities.com NNTP-Posting-Host: sji-ca5-252.ix.netcom.com Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-NETCOM-Date: Wed Nov 04 8:24:21 PM PST 1998 X-Mailer: Mozilla 3.04Gold (Win95; I) Path: chonsp.franklin.ch!pfaff.ethz.ch!news-zh.switch.ch!news.belnet.be!newsgate.cistron.nl!het.net!newsfeed.wirehub.nl!howland.erols.net!ix.netcom.com!news Bart wrote: > Isn't astrology frowned on by Catholicism? Also, the coincidence is just > incredible... I haven't actually heard the song "Aquarius" in probably the > last 10 or more years... I even dropped into a music store the other day to > see if I could find the music sheet for it - with out any luck... Here, I found a rough tab on it on the OLGA(On Line Guitar Archive) http://www.harmony-central.com/Guitar/tab.html It's a start, maybe you can figure it out from there. #----------------------------------PLEASE NOTE--------------------------------# #This file is the author's own work and represents their interpretation of the# #song. You may only use this file for private study, scholarship, or research.# #-----------------------------------------------------------------------------# "Aquarius / Let The Sunshine In" (Rado - Ragni - MacDermot) Intro [bass]: [Cm] v v v v [8X] -----------------| -----------------| -3-----3-3-------| -------------3---| Verse [first three lines over intro bass pattern]: Ebmaj7/C F/C Gm/C When the moon is in the seventh house Ebmaj7/C F/C Gm/C And Jupiter aligns with Mars Ebmaj7/C F/C Gm/C Then peace will guide the planets Eb F Bb And love will steer the stars Ab This is the dawning of the age of Aquarius Cm Age of Aquarius F Cm Aquarius Aquarius [2: repeat "Aquarius... Aquarius"; to coda] Bb Eb Harmony and understanding Bb Eb Sympathy and trust abounding Bb Eb No more falsehoods or derisions Cm Bb/D Eb Golden living dreams of visions G7/D Cm Mystic crystal revelations Fm Gm And the mind's true liberation Fm Cm Aquarius Aquarius [repeat intro] [repeat verse] Coda ("Let The Sunshine In") [repeat to fade, no lyrics first time]: Bm F#7 Let the sunshine Bm Let the sunshine G D The sunshine in -- another ace 60's tab from Andrew Rogers > Does anybody else see anything odd with this picture? > > Bart -- -Zac I have great faith in fools, self-confidence my friends call it. --Edgar Allen Poe ###### From: "Bart" Newsgroups: alt.out-of-body Subject: Re: Just flippin'out all over the place... Date: Thu, 5 Nov 1998 00:52:29 -0500 Organization: ICGNetcom Lines: 29 Message-ID: <71remh$t9b@sjx-ixn5.ix.netcom.com> References: <71r33o$8bi@sjx-ixn4.ix.netcom.com> <36411E40.B4636243@hotmail.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: clv-oh38-51.ix.netcom.com X-NETCOM-Date: Wed Nov 04 9:56:33 PM PST 1998 X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.3110.1 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.3110.3 Path: chonsp.franklin.ch!pfaff.ethz.ch!news-zh.switch.ch!news.belnet.be!newsgate.cistron.nl!het.net!diablo.theplanet.net!diablo2!london-news-feed1.bbnplanet.com!news.bbnplanet.com!cam-news-hub1.bbnplanet.com!news.gtei.net!newsfeed.xcom.net!ix.netcom.com!news Lucid wrote in message <36411E40.B4636243@hotmail.com>... >If you belief in the theory that "You create your own reality"...then I don't >see anything odd about it. You pull people and circumstances into your life >that you wanted to experience...it's just a higher natural law. > >lucid. Yeah, but... I accept what you say, to a degree... But, really - are you suggesting that I actually had something to do with the bells playing that type of music from a Catholic bell tower? I mean, there must have been a couple of thousand people involved with the hospital that day... And for me to affect the tune? That really threw me for a loop. I'm not saying that your comment is not true. I've been going through another stage of incredible coincidences lately. I haven't told the entire story because I didn't want to bore everyone. Things like this happen for me in cycles - and I know I'm in the middle of one right now. But this was just a bit too much for me. That's why I posted my comments on it. Bart ###### From: Lucid Newsgroups: alt.out-of-body Subject: Re: Just flippin'out all over the place... Date: 05 Nov 1998 00:55:02 PST Organization: Concentric Internet Services Lines: 70 Message-ID: <3641654E.2C5B15B5@hotmail.com> References: <71r33o$8bi@sjx-ixn4.ix.netcom.com> <36411E40.B4636243@hotmail.com> <71remh$t9b@sjx-ixn5.ix.netcom.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: ts002d26.oak-ca.concentric.net Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.04 [en] (Win95; U) Path: chonsp.franklin.ch!pfaff.ethz.ch!news-zh.switch.ch!news.belnet.be!194.165.93.117.MISMATCH!newshub.bart.net!newsfeed.wirehub.nl!howland.erols.net!newsfeed.wli.net!su-news-hub1.bbnplanet.com!news.gtei.net!newsfeed.concentric.net!207.155.183.80.MISMATCH!global-news-master Bart wrote: > Yeah, but... > > I accept what you say, to a degree... But, really - are you suggesting that > I actually had something to do with the bells playing that type of music > from a Catholic bell tower? Ya, why not Bart? Isn't this physical world similar to the astral world, just with heavier vibration. So within the astral world, things you imagine happen faster because the vibration is finer, with the physical, things you imagine will happen, eventually, but it may take a bit longer. I know, I know...then why we don't all get what we wanted. Well, unfortunately we also have beliefs that these thing are impossible, thus, this belief cancel out the thing we want. A positive and a negative cancel itself out, so we got nothing, then we said to ourselves to reinforce our negative belief "oh well, that just life, we don't always get what we want" or our desire for something may be so strong that our positive beliefs overcame our negative beliefs, in these cases, our dreams manifest itself. And we said, "wow, what a coincidence, I can't believe it came through despite everything", but we don't ever gave ourselves credit like "wow, my belief in that dreams was so overwhelming that no negativity could manifest in my mind, therefore it came true, it took a while, but it did came." How about the reverse, when the negative overcame the positive, I am sure you know someone who always said "nothing good ever happen to me"...and guess what, it's what we call "self-fulfilling prophecy". I agreed with you that this is hard to believe but so many weird things have happen to me, coincidence that came true (serendipity is a more accurate word) like yours that happen to me when I thought of or desire something that only I could know, that have me convince that our thought in this physical universe have as much power as it is in the astral universe, it just took longer to manifest, if another later thought have not cancel out our first one. > I mean, there must have been a couple of > thousand people involved with the hospital that day... And for me to affect > the tune? That really threw me for a loop. Thought can travel faster then the speed of light (maybe a lot faster), and like attract like, similar thought attract similar thoughts. Imagine it's like a computer, sorting thousand of bits out and gave you a result at the end. Imagine a much bigger and faster computer of life, sorting out bits and pieces of hopes and dreams of thousand souls, faster than the speed of light, wham...now you got your bell, someone got to ring it, someone slow you down on the traffic (on their way to work), just so you got there at the exact moment to hear the song. And all the participant got what they wanted or wished for. It may be hard for us to imagine, but it's relatively a simple matter for mother nature. > I'm not saying that your comment is not true. I understand perfectly. From reading many of your posts in the past, I know that you have too much experience and are too open-minded to just discard such a possibility. And even if you don't agree with me, so what, I won't lose any sleep over it :-D > I've been going through > another stage of incredible coincidences lately. I haven't told the entire > story because I didn't want to bore everyone. Things like this happen for > me in cycles - and I know I'm in the middle of one right now. But this was > just a bit too much for me. That's why I posted my comments on it. > Well, how about this for a methodical study, just pick a thing you want > manifest, think about it day and night, and get rid of any negative thoughts > (meaning thoughts that say that you can't possibly do this), and see how > people and circumstances will magically manifest into your life to make this > thing come into physical reality. lucid ###### From: sau933@my-dejanews.com Newsgroups: alt.out-of-body Subject: Re: Just flippin'out all over the place... Date: Thu, 05 Nov 1998 13:52:43 GMT Organization: Deja News - The Leader in Internet Discussion Lines: 40 Message-ID: <71sajb$49u$1@nnrp1.dejanews.com> References: <71r33o$8bi@sjx-ixn4.ix.netcom.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: 193.63.178.5 X-Article-Creation-Date: Thu Nov 05 13:52:43 1998 GMT X-Http-User-Agent: Mozilla/3.04 (Win16; I) X-Http-Proxy: 1.0 carrick.au.sac.ac.uk:8080 (Squid/1.1.8), 1.0 x7.dejanews.com:80 (Squid/1.1.22) for client 194.83.150.100, 193.63.178.5 Path: chonsp.franklin.ch!pfaff.ethz.ch!news-zh.switch.ch!news-ge.switch.ch!feed1.news.luth.se!luth.se!cam-news-hub1.bbnplanet.com!news.gtei.net!newsfeed.xcom.net!newsfeed.cwix.com!128.32.206.55!newsfeed.berkeley.edu!nntp2.dejanews.com!nnrp1.dejanews.com!not-for-mail In article <71r33o$8bi@sjx-ixn4.ix.netcom.com>, "Bart" wrote: > > I can't believe it... I really can't. > > I told you folks about my thoughts on the moon. I also mentioned my > curiosity of Reiki being taught and practiced in a Catholic based hospital. > Then I even wrote a song based on the tune of "Aquarius". > > Today I walked out of a Catholic based hospital owned by the same group of > nuns (different hospital than before - same city). I had actually, just > moments before, asked a technician about the practice of Reiki in the other > hospital. That technician never heard of the practice. No big deal, but as > I'm walking out of the hospital, I remember that tonight is the full moon > meeting at Ayers Rock. I then continue to walk toward the parking lot. In > the background I hear bells from the church tower next to the hospital. I > get half way across the parking lot and suddenly the tune of the bells > penetrates me - it was the tune of "Aquarius"!!!!! I couldn't believe > it!!!! I stood there, in the middle of the parking lot, with the first snow > of the season falling around me, listening to "Aquarius" being played from a > Catholic church tower... It just totally blew me away... > > Isn't astrology frowned on by Catholicism? Also, the coincidence is just > incredible... I haven't actually heard the song "Aquarius" in probably the > last 10 or more years... I even dropped into a music store the other day to > see if I could find the music sheet for it - with out any luck... Now, > today, on the full moon, just a few days after posting the simple poetry, I > hear the music being played from a church tower? A song derived from > astrology being played from a Catholic church bell tower? What a trip! > > Does anybody else see anything odd with this picture? > > Bart > > Synchronicity (meaningful coincidence) the Catholics word pointing at this is Grace. -----------== Posted via Deja News, The Discussion Network ==---------- http://www.dejanews.com/ Search, Read, Discuss, or Start Your Own ###### From: "Richard" Newsgroups: alt.out-of-body Subject: Re: Just flippin'out all over the place... Date: Thu, 5 Nov 1998 12:17:46 -0800 Organization: Posted via Supernews, http://www.supernews.com - Discussions start here! Lines: 76 Message-ID: <71t1e0$4mk$1@supernews.com> References: <71r33o$8bi@sjx-ixn4.ix.netcom.com> <71sajb$49u$1@nnrp1.dejanews.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: 207.48.95.11 X-Trace: 910297344 I0G4.QBCE5FB CF30C usenet58.supernews.com X-Complaints-To: newsabuse@supernews.com X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.3110.1 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.3110.3 Path: chonsp.franklin.ch!pfaff.ethz.ch!news-zh.switch.ch!news-ge.switch.ch!news.maxwell.syr.edu!Supernews60!supernews.com!Supernews73!supernews.com!Supernews69!not-for-mail sau933@my-dejanews.com wrote in message <71sajb$49u$1@nnrp1.dejanews.com>... >In article <71r33o$8bi@sjx-ixn4.ix.netcom.com>, > "Bart" wrote: >> >> I can't believe it... I really can't. >> >> I told you folks about my thoughts on the moon. I also mentioned my >> curiosity of Reiki being taught and practiced in a Catholic based hospital. >> Then I even wrote a song based on the tune of "Aquarius". >> >> Today I walked out of a Catholic based hospital owned by the same group of >> nuns (different hospital than before - same city). I had actually, just >> moments before, asked a technician about the practice of Reiki in the other >> hospital. That technician never heard of the practice. No big deal, but as >> I'm walking out of the hospital, I remember that tonight is the full moon >> meeting at Ayers Rock. I then continue to walk toward the parking lot. In >> the background I hear bells from the church tower next to the hospital. I >> get half way across the parking lot and suddenly the tune of the bells >> penetrates me - it was the tune of "Aquarius"!!!!! I couldn't believe >> it!!!! I stood there, in the middle of the parking lot, with the first snow >> of the season falling around me, listening to "Aquarius" being played from a >> Catholic church tower... It just totally blew me away... >> >> Isn't astrology frowned on by Catholicism? Also, the coincidence is just >> incredible... I haven't actually heard the song "Aquarius" in probably the >> last 10 or more years... I even dropped into a music store the other day to >> see if I could find the music sheet for it - with out any luck... Now, >> today, on the full moon, just a few days after posting the simple poetry, I >> hear the music being played from a church tower? A song derived from >> astrology being played from a Catholic church bell tower? What a trip! >> >> Does anybody else see anything odd with this picture? >> >> Bart >> Bart and all : Here is an off-the-wall theory. . . Some how. . . for some reason your being in that parking lot at that time was an important thing for you on some level. Your higher self was aware of this point in your time approaching and caused the pre-cursors to this "coincidence" to leak into your awareness. With all of these apparently unrelated things fresh in your mind you finally are in the moment. It is the full moon. You have talked to someone about Reiki. The final thing is the bells playing Aquarius. You realize. . . Wow what a coincidence ! Only trouble . . . you probably missed the important event. But you were there, and you did notice it. Maybe that was all you needed to do. Maybe catching the "hints" thrown by your higher self was all that was needed. I know it is a bit far out there, but when you think about it , what in this isn't far out there? -- RBWalton Visit this web page for some useful OOB links. . . www.angelfire.com/ca/onestepbeyond/ To respond, delete #nospam# rbwalton@#nospam#outrageous.net ###### Message-ID: <36423077.693F@hotmail.com> Date: Thu, 05 Nov 1998 15:10:47 -0800 From: Jennifer Spengler {wooble} Reply-To: midigal@hotmail.com Organization: I'm not organized at all, thank you. X-Mailer: Mozilla 3.04 (Win16; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 Newsgroups: alt.out-of-body Subject: Re: Just flippin'out all over the place... References: <71r33o$8bi@sjx-ixn4.ix.netcom.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit NNTP-Posting-Host: cmp135.i-america.net Lines: 41 Path: chonsp.franklin.ch!pfaff.ethz.ch!news-zh.switch.ch!news.belnet.be!newsgate.cistron.nl!het.net!newsfeed.wirehub.nl!howland.erols.net!news-xfer.newsread.com!netaxs.com!newsread.com!news4.his.com!cmp135.i-america.net Bart wrote: > I can't believe it... I really can't. > I told you folks about my thoughts > on the moon. I also mentioned my > curiosity of Reiki being taught and > practiced in a Catholic based hospital. > Then I even wrote a song based on the tune of "Aquarius". > Today I walked out of a Catholic based > hospital owned by the same group of > nuns (different hospital than before > - same city). I had actually, just > moments before, asked a technician about > the practice of Reiki in the other > hospital. That technician never heard > of the practice. No big deal, but as > I'm walking out of the hospital, I > remember that tonight is the full moon > meeting at Ayers Rock. I then continue > to walk toward the parking lot. In > the background I hear bells from the church > tower next to the hospital. I > get half way across the parking lot and > suddenly the tune of the bells > penetrates me - it was the tune of > "Aquarius"!!!!! I couldn't believe > it!!!! I stood there, in the middle of > the parking lot, with the first snow > of the season falling around me, > listening to "Aquarius" being played from a > Catholic church tower... It just totally blew me away... Incredible experience! =} I love it when things like that happen. And they happen a lot to me.. well, not as much as I'd like them to, but I guess if they did, they wouldn't seem as special.. anywho.. cool one! =} ~Jen -- * Knowledge may be power, but ignorance is bliss. * * --Jennifer Spengler =P * * http://www.i-america.net/homepages/hally2000/ * * Both Sides Of the Mood** * ###### From: Wells Newsgroups: alt.out-of-body Subject: Re: Just flippin'out all over the place... Date: Thu, 05 Nov 1998 16:31:56 -0600 Organization: Toe Goblins, Inc. Lines: 75 Message-ID: <3642275C.626D081D@sk.sympatico.ca> References: <71r33o$8bi@sjx-ixn4.ix.netcom.com> <36411E40.B4636243@hotmail.com> <71remh$t9b@sjx-ixn5.ix.netcom.com> <3641654E.2C5B15B5@hotmail.com> Reply-To: wellsdsp@sk.sympatico.ca NNTP-Posting-Host: nbfrsk02d02030134.sk.sympatico.ca Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.04 [en] (Win95; U) Path: chonsp.franklin.ch!pfaff.ethz.ch!news-zh.switch.ch!news.belnet.be!news-raspail.gip.net!news-peer.gip.net!news.gsl.net!gip.net!newshub.northeast.verio.net!sunqbc.risq.qc.ca!torn!news1.bellglobal.com!dragon.sk.sympatico.ca!news@dragon If a positive and a negative cancel out (thus making it negative) do two negative thoughts create a postive one? :-) Lucid wrote: > Bart wrote: > > > Yeah, but... > > > > I accept what you say, to a degree... But, really - are you suggesting that > > I actually had something to do with the bells playing that type of music > > from a Catholic bell tower? > > Ya, why not Bart? Isn't this physical world similar to the astral world, just > with heavier vibration. So within the astral world, things you imagine happen > faster because the vibration is finer, with the physical, things you imagine > will happen, eventually, but it may take a bit longer. I know, I know...then > why we don't all get what we wanted. Well, unfortunately we also have beliefs > that these thing are impossible, thus, this belief cancel out the thing we > want. A positive and a negative cancel itself out, so we got nothing, then we > said to ourselves to reinforce our negative belief "oh well, that just life, we > don't always get what we want" or our desire for something may be so strong that > our positive beliefs overcame our negative beliefs, in these cases, our dreams > manifest itself. And we said, "wow, what a coincidence, I can't believe it came > through despite everything", but we don't ever gave ourselves credit like "wow, > my belief in that dreams was so overwhelming that no negativity could manifest > in my mind, therefore it came true, it took a while, but it did came." How > about the reverse, when the negative overcame the positive, I am sure you know > someone who always said "nothing good ever happen to me"...and guess what, it's > what we call "self-fulfilling prophecy". I agreed with you that this is hard to > believe but so many weird things have happen to me, coincidence that came true > (serendipity is a more accurate word) like yours that happen to me when I > thought of or desire something that only I could know, that have me convince > that our thought in this physical universe have as much power as it is in the > astral universe, it just took longer to manifest, if another later thought have > not cancel out our first one. > > > I mean, there must have been a couple of > > thousand people involved with the hospital that day... And for me to affect > > the tune? That really threw me for a loop. > > Thought can travel faster then the speed of light (maybe a lot faster), and like > attract like, similar thought attract similar thoughts. Imagine it's like a > computer, sorting thousand of bits out and gave you a result at the end. > Imagine a much bigger and faster computer of life, sorting out bits and pieces > of hopes and dreams of thousand souls, faster than the speed of light, > wham...now you got your bell, someone got to ring it, someone slow you down on > the traffic (on their way to work), just so you got there at the exact moment to > hear the song. And all the participant got what they wanted or wished for. It > may be hard for us to imagine, but it's relatively a simple matter for mother > nature. > > > I'm not saying that your comment is not true. > > I understand perfectly. From reading many of your posts in the past, I know > that you have too much experience and are too open-minded to just discard such a > possibility. And even if you don't agree with me, so what, I won't lose any > sleep over it :-D > > > I've been going through > > another stage of incredible coincidences lately. I haven't told the entire > > story because I didn't want to bore everyone. Things like this happen for > > me in cycles - and I know I'm in the middle of one right now. But this was > > just a bit too much for me. That's why I posted my comments on it. > > > Well, how about this for a methodical study, just pick a thing you want > > manifest, think about it day and night, and get rid of any negative thoughts > > (meaning thoughts that say that you can't possibly do this), and see how > > people and circumstances will magically manifest into your life to make this > > thing come into physical reality. > > lucid ###### From: null@void.void (Enigma) Newsgroups: alt.out-of-body Subject: Re: Just flippin'out all over the place... Date: Thu, 05 Nov 1998 18:48:51 GMT Organization: the void that is not void Message-ID: <3641ee6b.1216695@usenet.idirect.com> References: <71r33o$8bi@sjx-ixn4.ix.netcom.com> X-Newsreader: Forte Free Agent 1.11/32.235 NNTP-Posting-Host: ts7-41t-21.idirect.com Lines: 26 Path: chonsp.franklin.ch!pfaff.ethz.ch!news-zh.switch.ch!news-ge.switch.ch!news.maxwell.syr.edu!feed2.nntp.acc.ca!feed.nntp.acc.ca!cyclone.news.idirect.com!island.idirect.com!relay.news.idirect.com!oasis.idirect.com!ts7-41t-21.idirect.com On Wed, 4 Nov 1998 21:34:43 -0500, "Bart" wrote: >Today I walked out of a Catholic based hospital owned by the same group of >nuns (different hospital than before - same city). I had actually, just >moments before, asked a technician about the practice of Reiki in the other >hospital. That technician never heard of the practice. No big deal, but as Hi Bart, are you sure that they actually practice Reiki in the other Catholic based hospital and that it is endorsed by the Catholics there, or was it just being advertised in the hospital? Also, are you certain that all the people who work in and manage the hospital are Catholics, or is the hospital just Catholic owned? Maybe there are people of other persuasions working in the hospital? Therapeutic touch, although controversial, is gaining a degree of popularity these days amongst nurses and other health care professionals. Perhaps Reiki is viewed in the same context, although it may be viewed as having a more "occult" basis than therepeutic touch. Since Reiki is considered to be a form of spiritual healing, perhaps some Catholics would not find it objectionable. regards, Enigma ###### From: "Bart" Newsgroups: alt.out-of-body Subject: Re: Just flippin'out all over the place... Date: Fri, 6 Nov 1998 02:11:44 -0500 Organization: ICGNetcom Lines: 17 Message-ID: <71u7n3$69b@dfw-ixnews9.ix.netcom.com> References: <71r33o$8bi@sjx-ixn4.ix.netcom.com> <36411E40.B4636243@hotmail.com> <71remh$t9b@sjx-ixn5.ix.netcom.com> <3641654E.2C5B15B5@hotmail.com> <3642275C.626D081D@sk.sympatico.ca> NNTP-Posting-Host: clv-oh39-14.ix.netcom.com X-NETCOM-Date: Fri Nov 06 1:15:47 AM CST 1998 X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.3110.1 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.3110.3 Path: chonsp.franklin.ch!pfaff.ethz.ch!news-zh.switch.ch!news-ge.switch.ch!feed1.news.luth.se!luth.se!cam-news-hub1.bbnplanet.com!news.gtei.net!newsfeed.xcom.net!ix.netcom.com!news Wells wrote in message <3642275C.626D081D@sk.sympatico.ca>... >If a positive and a negative cancel out (thus making it negative) do two negative >thoughts create a postive one? :-) Don't I wish.... :-) It sounds like you are joking - but maybe not. A positive and negative of the same magnitude null each other out - they do not make anything. Two negatives do not make a positive - they make a bigger negative. Bart ###### From: jmilanj@aol.com (JMilanJ) Newsgroups: alt.out-of-body Subject: Re: Just flippin'out all over the place... Lines: 9 NNTP-Posting-Host: ladder01.news.aol.com X-Admin: news@aol.com Date: 6 Nov 1998 13:52:11 GMT Organization: AOL http://www.aol.com References: <71u7n3$69b@dfw-ixnews9.ix.netcom.com> Message-ID: <19981106085211.01703.00000016@ng148.aol.com> Path: chonsp.franklin.ch!pfaff.ethz.ch!news-zh.switch.ch!news.belnet.be!newsgate.cistron.nl!het.net!news.tele2.nl!newsfeed1.swip.net!swipnet!news.maxwell.syr.edu!news-peer.gip.net!news.gsl.net!gip.net!portc01.blue.aol.com!audrey01.news.aol.com!not-for-mail Relative to the 2 negs= pos question, a joke I heard on Prairie Home Companion recently: Language Teacher: In the English language, and many other languages, two negatives make a positive. In the Russian language, two negatives can occassionally make a negative. But there is no language in which two positives make a negative. Student: Yeah, right! ###### From: "Bart" Newsgroups: alt.out-of-body Subject: Re: Just flippin'out all over the place... Date: Fri, 6 Nov 1998 21:12:01 -0500 Organization: ICGNetcom Lines: 76 Message-ID: <720ah8$qpq@dfw-ixnews5.ix.netcom.com> References: <71r33o$8bi@sjx-ixn4.ix.netcom.com> <71sajb$49u$1@nnrp1.dejanews.com> <71t1e0$4mk$1@supernews.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: clv-oh41-59.ix.netcom.com X-NETCOM-Date: Fri Nov 06 8:16:08 PM CST 1998 X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.3110.1 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.3110.3 Path: chonsp.franklin.ch!pfaff.ethz.ch!news-zh.switch.ch!news.belnet.be!newsfeed.wirehub.nl!howland.erols.net!ix.netcom.com!news Richard wrote in message <71t1e0$4mk$1@supernews.com>... >sau933@my-dejanews.com wrote in message <71sajb$49u$1@nnrp1.dejanews.com>... >>In article <71r33o$8bi@sjx-ixn4.ix.netcom.com>, >> "Bart" wrote: >>> >>> I'm walking out of the hospital, I remember that tonight is the full moon >>> meeting at Ayers Rock. I then continue to walk toward the parking lot. >>>In the background I hear bells from the church tower next to the hospital. >>>I get half way across the parking lot and suddenly the tune of the bells >>> penetrates me - it was the tune of "Aquarius"!!!!! I couldn't believe >>> it!!!! I stood there, in the middle of the parking lot, with the first >>>snow of the season falling around me, listening to "Aquarius" being played >>>from a Catholic church tower... It just totally blew me away... >>> >>> Isn't astrology frowned on by Catholicism? Also, the coincidence is just >>> incredible... I haven't actually heard the song "Aquarius" in probably >>>the last 10 or more years... I even dropped into a music store the other day >>>to see if I could find the music sheet for it - with out any luck... Now, >>> today, on the full moon, just a few days after posting the simple poetry, >>>I hear the music being played from a church tower? A song derived from >>> astrology being played from a Catholic church bell tower? What a trip! >>> Bart >Bart and all : >Here is an off-the-wall theory. . . Some how. . . for some reason your >being in that parking lot at that time was an important thing for you on >some level. Your higher self was aware of this point in your time >approaching and caused the pre-cursors to this "coincidence" to leak into >your awareness. With all of these apparently unrelated things fresh in your >mind you finally are in the moment. It is the full moon. You have talked >to someone about Reiki. The final thing is the bells playing Aquarius. You >realize. . . Wow what a coincidence ! Only trouble . . . you probably >missed the important event. But you were there, and you did notice it. >Maybe that was all you needed to do. Maybe catching the "hints" thrown by >your higher self was all that was needed. I know it is a bit far out there, >but when you think about it , what in this isn't far out there? > >-- >RBWalton Lucid, Enigma, and yourself have all said similar things. But here you state, "you probably missed the important event". Yes, perhaps I did. Since I was looking for the music to the song just this past Sunday, while the flat, that I got on my car from being in a rush to get to the airport last Tuesday, was being fixed.... I should have realized that someone in that church had the music that I was looking for. Instead, I just stood there in the cold wondering why such a song would be played from a church bell tower. Duh... no wonder I smack into buildings while OBE... Perhaps I'll do a little investigating next time I'm in the area. I might need to know the person who was playing it. Bart ###### From: "Bart" Newsgroups: alt.out-of-body Subject: Re: Just flippin'out all over the place... Date: Fri, 6 Nov 1998 22:29:37 -0500 Organization: ICGNetcom Lines: 85 Message-ID: <720f3o$1us@dfw-ixnews5.ix.netcom.com> References: <71r33o$8bi@sjx-ixn4.ix.netcom.com> <3641ee6b.1216695@usenet.idirect.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: clv-oh41-14.ix.netcom.com X-NETCOM-Date: Fri Nov 06 9:34:16 PM CST 1998 X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.3110.1 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.3110.3 Path: chonsp.franklin.ch!pfaff.ethz.ch!news-zh.switch.ch!news-ge.switch.ch!news.maxwell.syr.edu!ix.netcom.com!news Enigma wrote in message <3641ee6b.1216695@usenet.idirect.com>... >On Wed, 4 Nov 1998 21:34:43 -0500, "Bart" >wrote: > >>Today I walked out of a Catholic based hospital owned by the same group of >>nuns (different hospital than before - same city). I had actually, just >>moments before, asked a technician about the practice of Reiki in the other >>hospital. That technician never heard of the practice. No big deal, but as > >Hi Bart, are you sure that they actually practice Reiki in the other >Catholic based hospital and that it is endorsed by the Catholics >there, or was it just being advertised in the hospital? I don't really know if there are any doctors or nurses who actually use it during their daily routine. But they do hold workshops for it. I haven't been to one, though... Perhaps I should go and find out myself. >Since Reiki is considered to be a form of >spiritual healing, perhaps some Catholics would not find it >objectionable. > >regards, >Enigma Apparently not. Someone recently sent me a newsgroup article on Reiki. I read the description. Just now, as I began writing this, I began to remember an article I read in a book about how a very crippled woman was healed by a Catholic priest. The methods this priest used in treating her were similar to those described in the article just recently sent to me. But there was no mention of the word "Reiki" in the book - and there was an added situation. I suddenly remember where I had read it before. It was a story in one of my Padre Pio books and I believe it is one of the stories submitted for the purposes of having Pio officially recognized as a saint by the Vatican. Part of being recognized as a saint means that "divine intervention" must happen *after* the death of the proposed saint. This healing took place after Pio had passed. The priest who came to the door to help the woman was not Pio - the 'healee' didn't even know who Pio was. This priest was one of those who work quietly with people. She turned him away the first time because she was so bitter with God and religion in general due to her illness and pain. Eventually she succumbed to the offer of healing. During the healing, performed by one Fr Eric Fisher, she saw an elderly man's image superimposed over the younger man's face. The morning after the healing she was given a card with Pio's picture on it. She recognized the man as the one she saw in her home - the one who did the REAL healing. Then she turned the card over and saw that Pio had been dead since 1968. Well, not REALLY dead ;-) This supposedly took place in 1980. I was going to quote it all here - but it is just too long. The story is in a book called "Padre Pio The Peirced Priest". ISBN 0-00-627881-7 by Jim Gallagher. There is quite a bit mentioned about the spiritual fragrance in the same chapter. It is all supposedly well documented by doctors. Going from smaller percentages of disability, to 90%, to 100% disability - and then not disabled... As far as I know, the woman is still alive - and, most likely, so is Fr Eric Fisher. I wonder if they would consider talking with Randi... Somehow, I have my doubts - unless, of course, Randi had some special contact with... oh, not likely... Anyway... I seem to have gotten off topic. The one thing that was mentioned was that she was wearing an iron corset. And when Fr Eric put his hand on her back and began to pray, she said she could feel a warmth even through the corset. Also - her one leg was totally without feeling - but when he touched it - she could feel something akin to electric shocks running down it. This sounds very similar to the limited accounts on Reiki that I've heard. So, perhaps this was Reiki that Fr Eric Fisher was using - and perhaps the more quieter side of Catholocism has been studying it for quite some time... Preferring to keep it quiet so as not to become involved with the "New Age" stuff that's just flippin' out all over the place... Bart ##### From: null@void.void (Enigma) Newsgroups: alt.out-of-body Subject: Re: Just flippin'out all over the place... Date: Sat, 07 Nov 1998 11:48:08 GMT Organization: the void that is not void Message-ID: <36442324.669184@usenet.idirect.com> References: <71r33o$8bi@sjx-ixn4.ix.netcom.com> <3641ee6b.1216695@usenet.idirect.com> <720f3o$1us@dfw-ixnews5.ix.netcom.com> X-Newsreader: Forte Free Agent 1.11/32.235 NNTP-Posting-Host: ts7-33t-34.idirect.com Lines: 78 Path: chonsp.franklin.ch!pfaff.ethz.ch!news-zh.switch.ch!news-ge.switch.ch!news.maxwell.syr.edu!cyclone.news.idirect.com!island.idirect.com!relay.news.idirect.com!oasis.idirect.com!ts7-33t-34.idirect.com On Fri, 6 Nov 1998 22:29:37 -0500, "Bart" wrote: >During the healing, performed by one Fr Eric Fisher, she saw an elderly >man's image superimposed over the younger man's face. The morning after the >healing she was given a card with Pio's picture on it. She recognized the >man as the one she saw in her home - the one who did the REAL healing. Then >she turned the card over and saw that Pio had been dead since 1968. Well, >not REALLY dead ;-) > >This supposedly took place in 1980. I was going to quote it all here - but >it is just too long. The story is in a book called "Padre Pio The Peirced >Priest". ISBN 0-00-627881-7 by Jim Gallagher. There is quite a bit >mentioned about the spiritual fragrance in the same chapter. Sounds like an interesting book! Next time I'm at the library I'll check and see if I can find any books about Padre Pio. >I wonder if they would consider talking with Randi... Somehow, I have my >doubts - unless, of course, Randi had some special contact with... oh, not >likely... Yeah, I sincerely doubt it as well. :-) >Anyway... I seem to have gotten off topic. The one thing that was mentioned >was that she was wearing an iron corset. And when Fr Eric put his hand on >her back and began to pray, she said she could feel a warmth even through >the corset. Also - her one leg was totally without feeling - but when he >touched it - she could feel something akin to electric shocks running down >it. This sounds very similar to the limited accounts on Reiki that I've >heard. Yes, I read some information about Reiki on the net and that does sound similar to what Reiki is supposed to feel like, the heat part anyway. According to what I read about Reiki, the difference between Reiki and some other forms of "energy" healing is that a Reiki practitioner is supposed to be able to tap into a source of universal spiritual energy that flows through them, rather than using their own energy to heal. Thus Reiki practitioners are not supposed to experience any ill effects on themselves from performing Reiki on others. That is just what I have read, I have no direct experience with Reiki. >So, perhaps this was Reiki that Fr Eric Fisher was using - and perhaps the >more quieter side of Catholocism has been studying it for quite some time... >Preferring to keep it quiet so as not to become involved with the "New Age" >stuff that's just flippin' out all over the place... Well, Rieki may have recently been adopted by some new agers, but it was supposedly founded by a man called Dr. Mikao Usui in Japan towards the end of the nineteenth century. He apparently discovered a "formula" in some ancient religious writings (in Sanskrit I believe) that explained how to contact a "higher power" that could bestow the ability to heal. He then fasted and meditated for 21 days following the method in the formula. On the last day he got the results he was seeking. He apparently passed on his healing methods to sixteen other students before he died around 1930. An account of the history of Reiki can be found at: http://www.reiki.org/reikifaq/history.html If Reiki is really just a way to tune into universal spiritual energy and is not bound to any particular religion, then it is conceivable to me that anyone could make use of those methods if they knew how. However Reiki currently is passed on in a formal master to student type of initiation which may seem strange in the Western world but is actually quite common and is a traditional method in the East of passing on spiritual and other such teachings. Some branches of Reiki charge a fair amount of money for Reiki initiations to the various levels, which I find hard to understand. If it is a spiritual practice, why the need to charge large sums of money to pass it on? I think I read something about it being symbolic of a person's commitment to wanting to learn it, but that still doesn't sit well with me. regards, Enigma ###### From: "Bart" Newsgroups: alt.out-of-body Subject: Re: Just flippin'out all over the place... Date: Sat, 7 Nov 1998 12:42:27 -0500 Organization: ICGNetcom Lines: 88 Message-ID: <72214r$g3o@dfw-ixnews3.ix.netcom.com> References: <71r33o$8bi@sjx-ixn4.ix.netcom.com> <3641ee6b.1216695@usenet.idirect.com> <720f3o$1us@dfw-ixnews5.ix.netcom.com> <36442324.669184@usenet.idirect.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: clv-oh39-04.ix.netcom.com X-NETCOM-Date: Sat Nov 07 11:48:11 AM CST 1998 X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.3110.1 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.3110.3 Path: chonsp.franklin.ch!pfaff.ethz.ch!news-zh.switch.ch!news-ge.switch.ch!news.maxwell.syr.edu!ix.netcom.com!news Enigma wrote in message <36442324.669184@usenet.idirect.com>... >On Fri, 6 Nov 1998 22:29:37 -0500, "Bart" >wrote: > >>During the healing, performed by one Fr Eric Fisher, she saw an elderly >>man's image superimposed over the younger man's face. The morning after the >>healing she was given a card with Pio's picture on it. She recognized the >>man as the one she saw in her home - the one who did the REAL healing. Then >>she turned the card over and saw that Pio had been dead since 1968. Well, >>not REALLY dead ;-) >> >>This supposedly took place in 1980. I was going to quote it all here - but >>it is just too long. The story is in a book called "Padre Pio The Peirced >>Priest". ISBN 0-00-627881-7 by Jim Gallagher. There is quite a bit >>mentioned about the spiritual fragrance in the same chapter. > >Sounds like an interesting book! Next time I'm at the library I'll >check and see if I can find any books about Padre Pio. There have been several written. Hope you find one. >>Anyway... I seem to have gotten off topic. The one thing that was mentioned >>was that she was wearing an iron corset. And when Fr Eric put his hand on >>her back and began to pray, she said she could feel a warmth even through >>the corset. Also - her one leg was totally without feeling - but when he >>touched it - she could feel something akin to electric shocks running down >>it. This sounds very similar to the limited accounts on Reiki that I've >>heard. > >Yes, I read some information about Reiki on the net and that does >sound similar to what Reiki is supposed to feel like, the heat part >anyway. Well, the referrence to "electric shocks" may not sound like Reiki. But then again... keep in mind that her leg was so dead that she had stepped on a drawing pin (while using elbow crutches and a special spring-loaded fitting to get her leg moving without the use of the leg muscles) without noticing it and it remained in her heal for two weeks - becoming more and more infected. So, with this kind of numbness, I imaging any feeling returning might feel like electric shocks. >According to what I read about Reiki, the difference between >Reiki and some other forms of "energy" healing is that a Reiki >practitioner is supposed to be able to tap into a source of universal >spiritual energy that flows through them, rather than using their own >energy to heal. That's an important point. >An account of the history of >Reiki can be found at: >http://www.reiki.org/reikifaq/history.html Thanks for the link. I'll have to take a look at it. >Some branches of Reiki charge a fair amount of money for Reiki >initiations to the various levels, which I find hard to understand. If >it is a spiritual practice, why the need to charge large sums of money >to pass it on? I think I read something about it being symbolic of a >person's commitment to wanting to learn it, but that still doesn't sit >well with me. > >regards, >Enigma Well... I have mixed feelings about that. I mean, a regular medical school is incredibly expensive. But still, the overhead on a medical school is also very high. Laboratories and supplies, etc.... It would seem that there should be very little overhead with Reiki (financially speaking, of course... ;-) ). One of the big things with spiritual groups is that they feed off the "spiritual law" of not being attached to things like money. "Do not be attached to your money. Hand it over to me." Neat trick... Bart ###### From: null@void.void (Enigma) Newsgroups: alt.out-of-body Subject: Re: Just flippin'out all over the place... Date: Sat, 07 Nov 1998 19:51:49 GMT Organization: the void that is not void Message-ID: <3644a05a.2707110@usenet.idirect.com> References: <71r33o$8bi@sjx-ixn4.ix.netcom.com> <3641ee6b.1216695@usenet.idirect.com> <720f3o$1us@dfw-ixnews5.ix.netcom.com> <36442324.669184@usenet.idirect.com> <72214r$g3o@dfw-ixnews3.ix.netcom.com> X-Newsreader: Forte Free Agent 1.11/32.235 NNTP-Posting-Host: ts7-33t-38.idirect.com Lines: 62 Path: chonsp.franklin.ch!pfaff.ethz.ch!news-zh.switch.ch!news.belnet.be!newsgate.cistron.nl!het.net!diablo.theplanet.net!btnet-peer!btnet!newsfeed.cwix.com!207.136.66.98!cyclone.news.idirect.com!island.idirect.com!relay.news.idirect.com!oasis.idirect.com!ts7-33t-38.idirect.com On Sat, 7 Nov 1998 12:42:27 -0500, "Bart" wrote: > >Enigma wrote in message <36442324.669184@usenet.idirect.com>... >>Sounds like an interesting book! Next time I'm at the library I'll >>check and see if I can find any books about Padre Pio. > >There have been several written. Hope you find one. I found some information on the web about Padre Pio. Here's a couple of links in case you are interested: Padre Pio Foundation of America http://www.padrepio.com (Capuchin Priests' Official Site) http://www.abol.it/padrepio/english The second site has a link to a Real Audio file of Padre Pio's voice but I couldn't get it to work this morning. >Well, the referrence to "electric shocks" may not sound like Reiki. But >then again... keep in mind that her leg was so dead that she had stepped on >a drawing pin (while using elbow crutches and a special spring-loaded >fitting to get her leg moving without the use of the leg muscles) without >noticing it and it remained in her heal for two weeks - becoming more and >more infected. So, with this kind of numbness, I imaging any feeling >returning might feel like electric shocks. Yes, I have heard other people report feelings of electric shocks in other forms of healing such as acupuncture and chi kung. >>According to what I read about Reiki, the difference between >>Reiki and some other forms of "energy" healing is that a Reiki >>practitioner is supposed to be able to tap into a source of universal >>spiritual energy that flows through them, rather than using their own >>energy to heal. > >That's an important point. There is actually quite a bit of information about Reiki on that site I mentioned previously (http://www.reiki.org). From what I have seen locally, not all Reiki masters charge large sums of money to initiate people to the levels of Reiki. here in Toronto I saw some people advertising as low as $60.00 for level 1 and 2 and $300.00 for the master level. Some people may even charge less for all I know. BTW, I found an article on the above Reiki site titled "Was Jesus a Reiki Master?". If you are interested check out: http://www.reiki.org/reikinews/reikin16.html >One of the big things with spiritual groups is that they feed off the >"spiritual law" of not being attached to things like money. "Do not be >attached to your money. Hand it over to me." Well some "spiritual" groups anyway. I would have my doubts about how spiritual the group really is in such a case. :-) regards, Enigma ###### Path: chonsp.franklin.ch!usenet From: Neil Franklin Newsgroups: alt.out-of-body Subject: Re: Just flippin'out all over the place... Date: 07 Nov 1998 21:15:00 +0100 Organization: My own Private Self Lines: 45 Sender: neil@chonsp.franklin.ch Message-ID: References: <71r33o$8bi@sjx-ixn4.ix.netcom.com> <3641ee6b.1216695@usenet.idirect.com> <720f3o$1us@dfw-ixnews5.ix.netcom.com> <36442324.669184@usenet.idirect.com> <72214r$g3o@dfw-ixnews3.ix.netcom.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: chonsp.franklin.ch X-Newsreader: Gnus v5.3/Emacs 19.34 "Bart" writes: > > Enigma wrote in message <36442324.669184@usenet.idirect.com>... > > >An account of the history of > >Reiki can be found at: > >http://www.reiki.org/reikifaq/history.html > > Thanks for the link. I'll have to take a look at it. Also thanks. > >Some branches of Reiki charge a fair amount of money for Reiki > >initiations to the various levels, which I find hard to understand. For those that do not know the amounts: Becoming an official Reiki Master is an $10000 thing (yes, 5 zeros). > >If > >it is a spiritual practice, why the need to charge large sums of money > >to pass it on? I think I read something about it being symbolic of a > >person's commitment to wanting to learn it, but that still doesn't sit > >well with me. > > One of the big things with spiritual groups is that they feed off the > "spiritual law" of not being attached to things like money. "Do not be > attached to your money. Hand it over to me." The text I mentioned in the "Reiki and Crystal Workbook" thread has some stuff on the history of why Reiki costs so much. Not a nice read. In fact it is the accusations that this is pure greed that have turned alt.healing.reiki into an flame war. Here the URL again: http://neil.franklin.ch/Usenet/alt.healing.reiki/19980220_origin_of_Reiki_Allian ce_and_our_Reiki_Journey -- home: neil@franklin.ch.remove http://neil.franklin.ch/ work: franklin@arch.ethz.ch.remove http://caad.arch.ethz.ch/~franklin/ Microsoft is Software Communism, Fight for GNU Freedom! ###### From: null@void.void (Enigma) Newsgroups: alt.out-of-body Subject: Re: Just flippin'out all over the place... Date: Sat, 07 Nov 1998 22:02:03 GMT Organization: the void that is not void Message-ID: <3644c33c.506065@usenet.idirect.com> References: <71r33o$8bi@sjx-ixn4.ix.netcom.com> <3641ee6b.1216695@usenet.idirect.com> <720f3o$1us@dfw-ixnews5.ix.netcom.com> <36442324.669184@usenet.idirect.com> <72214r$g3o@dfw-ixnews3.ix.netcom.com> X-Newsreader: Forte Free Agent 1.11/32.235 NNTP-Posting-Host: ts7-46t-44.idirect.com Lines: 13 Path: chonsp.franklin.ch!pfaff.ethz.ch!news-zh.switch.ch!news-ge.switch.ch!news.maxwell.syr.edu!cyclone.news.idirect.com!island.idirect.com!relay.news.idirect.com!oasis.idirect.com!ts7-46t-44.idirect.com On 07 Nov 1998 21:15:00 +0100, Neil Franklin wrote: >Here the URL again: > >http://neil.franklin.ch/Usenet/alt.healing.reiki/19980220_origin_of_Reiki_Allian >ce_and_our_Reiki_Journey Thanks, I'll check it out. regards, Enigma ###### From: "Richard" Newsgroups: alt.out-of-body Subject: Re: Just flippin'out all over the place... Date: Sun, 8 Nov 1998 12:55:32 -0800 Organization: Posted via Supernews, http://www.supernews.com - Discussions start here! Lines: 49 Message-ID: <7250nh$clj$4@supernews.com> References: <71r33o$8bi@sjx-ixn4.ix.netcom.com> <71sajb$49u$1@nnrp1.dejanews.com> <71t1e0$4mk$1@supernews.com> <720ah8$qpq@dfw-ixnews5.ix.netcom.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: 207.48.95.81 X-Trace: 910558769 I0G4.QBCE5F51CF30C usenet78.supernews.com X-Complaints-To: newsabuse@supernews.com X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.3110.1 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.3110.3 Path: chonsp.franklin.ch!pfaff.ethz.ch!news-zh.switch.ch!news.belnet.be!isdnet!howland.erols.net!Supernews73!supernews.com!Supernews69!not-for-mail Bart wrote in message <720ah8$qpq@dfw-ixnews5.ix.netcom.com>... > >Richard wrote in message <71t1e0$4mk$1@supernews.com>... >>sau933@my-dejanews.com wrote in message ><71sajb$49u$1@nnrp1.dejanews.com>... >>>In article <71r33o$8bi@sjx-ixn4.ix.netcom.com>, >>> "Bart" wrote: >>>> > > snipped> > >Lucid, Enigma, and yourself have all said similar things. But here you >state, "you probably missed the important event". > >Yes, perhaps I did. Since I was looking for the music to the song just this >past Sunday, while the flat, that I got on my car from being in a rush to >get to the airport last Tuesday, was being fixed.... I should have realized >that someone in that church had the music that I was looking for. Instead, >I just stood there in the cold wondering why such a song would be played >from a church bell tower. > >Duh... no wonder I smack into buildings while OBE... > >Perhaps I'll do a little investigating next time I'm in the area. I might >need to know the person who was playing it. > >Bart > You know I had not thought of the person playing the music. . . That could be it. -- RBWalton Visit this web page for some useful OOB links. . . www.angelfire.com/ca/onestepbeyond/ To respond, delete #nospam# rbwalton@#nospam#outrageous.net > ###### From: johnf@melbpc.org.au (John Fitzsimons) Newsgroups: alt.out-of-body Subject: Re: Just flippin'out all over the place... Date: Sun, 08 Nov 1998 20:54:47 GMT Organization: Melbourne PC User Group Inc, Australia Lines: 61 Message-ID: <364ddd57.10035143@news.melbpc.org.au> References: <71r33o$8bi@sjx-ixn4.ix.netcom.com> <3641ee6b.1216695@usenet.idirect.com> <720f3o$1us@dfw-ixnews5.ix.netcom.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: b3-59.melbpc.org.au Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Newsreader: Forte Agent 1.5/32.451 Path: chonsp.franklin.ch!pfaff.ethz.ch!news-zh.switch.ch!news.belnet.be!isdnet!howland.erols.net!news.maxwell.syr.edu!news.mel.connect.com.au!news2.melbpc.org.au!not-for-mail On Fri, 6 Nov 1998 22:29:37 -0500, "Bart" wrote: < snip > >Someone recently sent me a newsgroup article on Reiki. I >read the description. Just now, as I began writing this, I began to >remember an article I read in a book about how a very crippled woman was >healed by a Catholic priest. The methods this priest used in treating her >were similar to those described in the article just recently sent to me. "Hands on healing" is done in a similar way by many thousands of healing channels worldwide. >But there was no mention of the word "Reiki" in the book Probably because it was most likely spiritual healing and not Reiki. >- and there was an >added situation. I suddenly remember where I had read it before. It was a >story in one of my Padre Pio books and I believe it is one of the stories >submitted for the purposes of having Pio officially recognized as a saint by >the Vatican. >Part of being recognized as a saint means that "divine intervention" must >happen *after* the death of the proposed saint. This healing took place >after Pio had passed. The priest who came to the door to help the woman was >not Pio - the 'healee' didn't even know who Pio was. This priest was one of >those who work quietly with people. She turned him away the first time >because she was so bitter with God and religion in general due to her >illness and pain. Eventually she succumbed to the offer of healing. >During the healing, performed by one Fr Eric Fisher, she saw an elderly >man's image superimposed over the younger man's face. If a patient is clairvoyant then he/she may see the spirit guide who is working through the healing channel. Many patients however don't notice and/or comment on what they see. < snip > >The one thing that was mentioned >was that she was wearing an iron corset. And when Fr Eric put his hand on >her back and began to pray, she said she could feel a warmth even through >the corset. Also - her one leg was totally without feeling - but when he >touched it - she could feel something akin to electric shocks running down >it. < snip > All the above are common situations where people do spiritual healing. Regards, John. **************************************************** ,-._|\ John Fitzsimons - Melbourne, Australia. / Oz \ johnf@melbpc.org.au, Fidonet 3:632/309 \_,--.x/ http://www.vicnet.net.au/~johnf/welcome.htm v http://www.alphalink.com.au/~johnf/ ###### From: johnf@melbpc.org.au (John Fitzsimons) Newsgroups: alt.out-of-body Subject: Re: Just flippin'out all over the place... Date: Sun, 08 Nov 1998 20:54:48 GMT Organization: Melbourne PC User Group Inc, Australia Lines: 61 Message-ID: <364ee059.10804653@news.melbpc.org.au> References: <71r33o$8bi@sjx-ixn4.ix.netcom.com> <3641ee6b.1216695@usenet.idirect.com> <720f3o$1us@dfw-ixnews5.ix.netcom.com> <36442324.669184@usenet.idirect.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: b3-59.melbpc.org.au Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Newsreader: Forte Agent 1.5/32.451 Path: chonsp.franklin.ch!pfaff.ethz.ch!news-zh.switch.ch!news.belnet.be!isdnet!howland.erols.net!news.maxwell.syr.edu!news.mel.connect.com.au!news2.melbpc.org.au!not-for-mail On Sat, 07 Nov 1998 11:48:08 GMT, null@void.void (Enigma) wrote: < snip > >According to what I read about Reiki, the difference between >Reiki and some other forms of "energy" healing is that a Reiki >practitioner is supposed to be able to tap into a source of universal >spiritual energy that flows through them, rather than using their own >energy to heal. Being a healing channel is something anyone can learn through training and prayer. One doesn't need to know anything about Reiki to do this. Spiritual healers doing "hands on healing" have been doing this for millennia. >Thus Reiki practitioners are not supposed to >experience any ill effects on themselves from performing Reiki on >others. The key word being "supposed". Whether they do depends on whether they set up proper psychic protection and/or are too psychically "open". If one is a healing channel one does not *need* to psychically "pick up" the pain/discomfort of the patient but many people still do so. >That is just what I have read, I have no direct experience with Reiki. It is VERY common here. < snip > >Well, Rieki may have recently been adopted by some new agers, but it >was supposedly founded by a man called Dr. Mikao Usui in Japan towards >the end of the nineteenth century. He apparently discovered a >"formula" in some ancient religious writings (in Sanskrit I believe) >that explained how to contact a "higher power" that could bestow the >ability to heal. The "formula" one needs to use to be an effective healing channel is called "prayer". Nobody needs to go to Japan to find that out. < snip > >Some branches of Reiki charge a fair amount of money for Reiki >initiations to the various levels, which I find hard to understand. < snip > Some people who like to pay money, do a (eg two day) course love to become "masters" afterwards. Being a "master" for little/no cost isn't quite the same ! Regards, John. **************************************************** ,-._|\ John Fitzsimons - Melbourne, Australia. / Oz \ johnf@melbpc.org.au, Fidonet 3:632/309 \_,--.x/ http://www.vicnet.net.au/~johnf/welcome.htm v http://www.alphalink.com.au/~johnf/ ###### From: null@void.void (Enigma) Newsgroups: alt.out-of-body Subject: Re: Just flippin'out all over the place... Date: Sun, 08 Nov 1998 23:08:25 GMT Organization: the void that is not void Message-ID: <364619f9.1580672@usenet.idirect.com> References: <71r33o$8bi@sjx-ixn4.ix.netcom.com> <3641ee6b.1216695@usenet.idirect.com> <720f3o$1us@dfw-ixnews5.ix.netcom.com> <36442324.669184@usenet.idirect.com> <364ee059.10804653@news.melbpc.org.au> X-Newsreader: Forte Free Agent 1.11/32.235 NNTP-Posting-Host: ts7-49t-37.idirect.com Lines: 63 Path: chonsp.franklin.ch!pfaff.ethz.ch!news-zh.switch.ch!news-ge.switch.ch!news.maxwell.syr.edu!cyclone.news.idirect.com!island.idirect.com!relay.news.idirect.com!oasis.idirect.com!ts7-49t-37.idirect.com On Sun, 08 Nov 1998 20:54:48 GMT, johnf@melbpc.org.au (John Fitzsimons) wrote: >On Sat, 07 Nov 1998 11:48:08 GMT, null@void.void (Enigma) wrote: >< snip > > >>According to what I read about Reiki, the difference between >>Reiki and some other forms of "energy" healing is that a Reiki >>practitioner is supposed to be able to tap into a source of universal >>spiritual energy that flows through them, rather than using their own >>energy to heal. > >Being a healing channel is something anyone can learn through training >and prayer. One doesn't need to know anything about Reiki to do this. >Spiritual healers doing "hands on healing" have been doing this for >millennia. I would personally hesistate to assume that Usui's Reiki ( I say "Usui's Reiki" as Reiki itself is apparently a generic term) is exactly the same as any other form of spiritual healing without having a deep and intimate understanding of either. I suspect that many "spiritual healers" really have no true understanding themselves of how their healing actually works at deeper levels, assuming it actually does work. They may think they do based on assumptions and their personal belief system, but I wonder how many really understand what is going on. >>Thus Reiki practitioners are not supposed to >>experience any ill effects on themselves from performing Reiki on >>others. > >The key word being "supposed". Whether they do depends on whether they >set up proper psychic protection and/or are too psychically "open". If >one is a healing channel one does not *need* to psychically "pick up" >the pain/discomfort of the patient but many people still do so. What you are saying does not match the information I read about Usui's Reiki, but I really don't know one way or the other. What I read may not be accurate. >>Well, Rieki may have recently been adopted by some new agers, but it >>was supposedly founded by a man called Dr. Mikao Usui in Japan towards >>the end of the nineteenth century. He apparently discovered a >>"formula" in some ancient religious writings (in Sanskrit I believe) >>that explained how to contact a "higher power" that could bestow the >>ability to heal. > >The "formula" one needs to use to be an effective healing channel is >called "prayer". Nobody needs to go to Japan to find that out. That may be fine if one wants to become a "healing channel" but again I hesitate to make any assumptions about what Usui's Reiki is or isn't. BTW, I am not in any way trying to promote Usui's Reiki, I was just commenting on what I have read about it. One thing I didn't mention is that the account about the history of Usui's Reiki was supposedly related by a student of a student of Usui. The details of the history may or may not be true. I think Usui was actually supposed to have come across the "formula" in some old scriptures in Tibet, not Japan. ;-) regards, Enigma ###### Path: chonsp.franklin.ch!usenet From: Neil Franklin Newsgroups: alt.out-of-body Subject: Re: Just flippin'out all over the place... Date: 11 Nov 1998 21:51:33 +0100 Organization: My own Private Self Lines: 38 Sender: neil@chonsp.franklin.ch Message-ID: References: <71r33o$8bi@sjx-ixn4.ix.netcom.com> <3641ee6b.1216695@usenet.idirect.com> <720f3o$1us@dfw-ixnews5.ix.netcom.com> <36442324.669184@usenet.idirect.com> <72214r$g3o@dfw-ixnews3.ix.netcom.com> X-Newsreader: Gnus v5.3/Emacs 19.34 Neil Franklin writes: > > The text I mentioned in the "Reiki and Crystal Workbook" thread has > some stuff on the history of why Reiki costs so much. > > Not a nice read. In fact it is the accusations that this is pure greed > that have turned alt.healing.reiki into an flame war. > > Here the URL again: > > http://neil.franklin.ch/Usenet/alt.healing.reiki/19980220_origin_of_Reiki_Allian > ce_and_our_Reiki_Journey Oooops!!! Following up to my own post because the URL in it was broken :-(. I am just checking my web server's error message collection and found: 130.87.82.68 - - [04/Nov/1998:03:45:14 +0100] "GET /Usenet/alt.healing.reiki/19980220_origin_of_Reiki_Allian HTTP/1.0" 404 250 196.4.160.73 - - [04/Nov/1998:10:05:14 +0100] "GET /Usenet/alt.healing.reiki/19980220_origin_of_Reiki_Allian HTTP/1.0" 404 250 209.240.200.66 - - [09/Nov/1998:06:13:57 +0100] "GET /Usenet/alt.healing.reiki/19980220_origin_of_Reiki_Allian HTTP/1.0" 404 250 209.240.200.66 - - [09/Nov/1998:06:14:42 +0100] "GET /Usenet/alt.healing.reiki/19980220_origin_of_Reiki_Allian HTTP/1.0" 404 250 216.41.30.198 - - [10/Nov/1998:06:29:31 +0100] "GET /Usenet/alt.healing.reiki/19980220_origin_of_Reiki_Allian HTTP/1.0" 404 250 Looks like 4 of you (the third one retried) got "File not Existing" (404) thrown at you because my news posting program put an line break in there. So here an second attempt with properly adjusted news poster: http://neil.franklin.ch/Usenet/alt.healing.reiki/19980220_origin_of_Reiki_Alliance_and_our_Reiki_Journey -- Neil Franklin, Nerd, Geek, Unix Guru, Hacker neil@franklin.ch.remove http://neil.franklin.ch/ "No, it was a JOKE! You can't RUN this!" Ken Thompson ###### From: gallianoj@aol.com (GALLIANOJ) Newsgroups: alt.out-of-body Subject: Re: Just flippin'out all over the place... Lines: 42 NNTP-Posting-Host: ladder03.news.aol.com X-Admin: news@aol.com Date: 14 Nov 1998 03:57:38 GMT Organization: AOL http://www.aol.com References: <71r33o$8bi@sjx-ixn4.ix.netcom.com> Message-ID: <19981113225738.17407.00001349@ng-ft1.aol.com> Path: chonsp.franklin.ch!pfaff.ethz.ch!news-zh.switch.ch!newsfeed-zh.ip-plus.net!news-nyc.telia.net!newsfeed.cwix.com!152.163.199.19!portc03.blue.aol.com!audrey03.news.aol.com!not-for-mail > > >I can't believe it... I really can't. > >I told you folks about my thoughts on the moon. I also mentioned my >curiosity of Reiki being taught and practiced in a Catholic based hospital. >Then I even wrote a song based on the tune of "Aquarius". > >Today I walked out of a Catholic based hospital owned by the same group of >nuns (different hospital than before - same city). I had actually, just >moments before, asked a technician about the practice of Reiki in the other >hospital. That technician never heard of the practice. No big deal, but as >I'm walking out of the hospital, I remember that tonight is the full moon >meeting at Ayers Rock. I then continue to walk toward the parking lot. In >the background I hear bells from the church tower next to the hospital. I >get half way across the parking lot and suddenly the tune of the bells >penetrates me - it was the tune of "Aquarius"!!!!! I couldn't believe >it!!!! I stood there, in the middle of the parking lot, with the first snow >of the season falling around me, listening to "Aquarius" being played from a >Catholic church tower... It just totally blew me away... > >Isn't astrology frowned on by Catholicism? Also, the coincidence is just >incredible... I haven't actually heard the song "Aquarius" in probably the >last 10 or more years... I even dropped into a music store the other day to >see if I could find the music sheet for it - with out any luck... Now, >today, on the full moon, just a few days after posting the simple poetry, I >hear the music being played from a church tower? A song derived from >astrology being played from a Catholic church bell tower? What a trip! > >Does anybody else see anything odd with this picture? > >Bart You must have been "projecting" there! The Wizard never sleeps..sounds stay in his head, and he sees his dreams as glimpses into other dimensions. I dont know what is on the Catholic Agenga these days but wasnt Christ practicing Reiki? When coincidences like this happen to me, i take it as a sign that im in the right place at the right time. tuning in, jean ###### From: johnf@melbpc.org.au (John Fitzsimons) Newsgroups: alt.out-of-body Subject: Re: Just flippin'out all over the place... Date: Sun, 15 Nov 1998 21:01:16 GMT Organization: Melbourne PC User Group Inc, Australia Lines: 24 Message-ID: <365e23e1.14570421@news.melbpc.org.au> References: <71r33o$8bi@sjx-ixn4.ix.netcom.com> <19981113225738.17407.00001349@ng-ft1.aol.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: b3-42.melbpc.org.au Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Newsreader: Forte Agent 1.5/32.451 Path: chonsp.franklin.ch!pfaff.ethz.ch!news-zh.switch.ch!news-ge.switch.ch!enews.sgi.com!harbinger.cc.monash.edu.au!news.mel.connect.com.au!news2.melbpc.org.au!not-for-mail On 14 Nov 1998 03:57:38 GMT, gallianoj@aol.com (GALLIANOJ) wrote: < snip > >I dont know what is on the Catholic Agenga these days but wasnt Christ >practicing Reiki? < snip > Nope. He was doing spiritual healing. Or as some people term it "laying on of hands". J.C. said his power came from God. Not all Reiki people have that point of view. Regards, John. **************************************************** ,-._|\ John Fitzsimons - Melbourne, Australia. / Oz \ johnf@melbpc.org.au, Fidonet 3:632/309 \_,--.x/ http://www.vicnet.net.au/~johnf/welcome.htm v http://www.alphalink.com.au/~johnf/