From: "AX" Newsgroups: alt.out-of-body Subject: Exchange? Date: Tue, 27 Oct 1998 23:31:34 +0200 Lines: 11 X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.3110.1 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.3110.3 NNTP-Posting-Host: tc1-227.dyn.online.ee Message-ID: <36363b67.0@news.infonet.ee> X-Trace: 27 Oct 1998 23:30:15 +0300, tc1-227.dyn.online.ee Organization: INFONET.EE Usenet News Server Path: chonsp.franklin.ch!pfaff.ethz.ch!news-zh.switch.ch!news-ge.switch.ch!news.maxwell.syr.edu!cpk-news-hub1.bbnplanet.com!news.news.gtei.net!atl-news-feed1.bbnplanet.com!news.gtei.net!news.planetc.com!news.infonet.ee!tc1-227.dyn.online.ee If you're out of your body and meet with someone who is also out of his body - that would mean that 2 bodies are "empty". Now my question is that is it possible for one person to go inside the others and live there just for a while? It sounds science fiction but when reading all these postings and it sounds quite logical for me. Best regards, AX ###### Message-ID: <363692A1.69A9@hotmail.com> Date: Tue, 27 Oct 1998 19:42:25 -0800 From: Jennifer Spengler {wooble} Reply-To: midigal@hotmail.com Organization: I'm not organized at all, thank you. X-Mailer: Mozilla 3.04 (Win16; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 Newsgroups: alt.out-of-body Subject: Re: Exchange? References: <36363b67.0@news.infonet.ee> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit NNTP-Posting-Host: computone1b.i-america.net Lines: 21 Path: chonsp.franklin.ch!pfaff.ethz.ch!news-zh.switch.ch!news-ge.switch.ch!news.maxwell.syr.edu!news-xfer.newsread.com!netaxs.com!newsread.com!news4.his.com!computone1b.i-america.net AX wrote: > > If you're out of your body and meet with someone who is also out of his > body - that would mean that 2 bodies are "empty". Now my question is that > is it possible for one person to go inside the others and live there just > for a while? It sounds science fiction but when reading all these postings > and it sounds quite logical for me. Well, I'm no expert, but I have a theory that each of our astral bodies is in some way connected to the corresponding physical body. One may be able to inhabit another's physical body, but I doubt it would be for any longer than a few minutes... Others here will know better than I... am I on the right track???? ~Jen -- * Knowledge may be power, but ignorance is bliss. * * --Jennifer Spengler =P * * http://www.i-america.net/homepages/hally2000/ * * Both Sides Of the Mood** * ###### From: "Richard" Newsgroups: alt.out-of-body Subject: Re: Exchange? Date: Tue, 27 Oct 1998 17:28:29 -0800 Organization: http://www.supernews.com, The World's Usenet: Discussions Start Here Lines: 42 Message-ID: <715tpb$omn$1@supernews.com> References: <36363b67.0@news.infonet.ee> <363692A1.69A9@hotmail.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: 207.48.95.64 X-Trace: 909539947 I0G4.QBCE5F40CF30C usenet58.supernews.com X-Complaints-To: newsabuse@supernews.com X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.3110.1 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.3110.3 Path: chonsp.franklin.ch!pfaff.ethz.ch!news-zh.switch.ch!news-ge.switch.ch!news.maxwell.syr.edu!Supernews60!supernews.com!Supernews73!supernews.com!Supernews69!not-for-mail Jennifer Spengler {wooble} wrote in message <363692A1.69A9@hotmail.com>... >AX wrote: >> >> If you're out of your body and meet with someone who is also out of his >> body - that would mean that 2 bodies are "empty". Now my question is that >> is it possible for one person to go inside the others and live there just >> for a while? It sounds science fiction but when reading all these postings >> and it sounds quite logical for me. > >Well, I'm no expert, but I have a theory that each of our astral bodies >is in some way connected to the corresponding physical body. One may be >able to inhabit another's physical body, but I doubt it would be for any >longer than a few minutes... > >Others here will know better than I... am I on the right track???? > >~Jen >-- >* Knowledge may be power, but ignorance is bliss. * >* --Jennifer Spengler =P * >* http://www.i-america.net/homepages/hally2000/ * >* Both Sides Of the Mood** * My theory . . . since theories are all we have to go on. . . is that we do not leave the body as much as we send out our awareness. So if it is not really empty, it is not possible for the body to be taken over. -- RBWalton Visit this web page for some useful OOB links. . . www.angelfire.com/ca/onestepbeyond/ To respond, delete #nospam# rbwalton@#nospam#outrageous.net ###### From: chester basshead Newsgroups: alt.out-of-body Subject: Re: Exchange? Date: Tue, 27 Oct 1998 17:55:24 -0800 Organization: EarthLink Network, Inc. Lines: 34 Message-ID: <3636798B.69C7232B@earthlink.nXXXet> References: <36363b67.0@news.infonet.ee> <363692A1.69A9@hotmail.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: 1cust42.tnt7.lax1.da.uu.net Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Posted-Path-Was: not-for-mail X-ELN-Date: Tue Oct 27 17:52:54 1998 X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.05 [en] (Win95; I) Path: chonsp.franklin.ch!pfaff.ethz.ch!news-zh.switch.ch!news-ge.switch.ch!isdnet!newsfeed.cwix.com!207.217.77.43!newsfeed1.earthlink.net!nntp.earthlink.net!posted-from-earthlink!not-for-mail Jennifer Spengler {wooble} wrote: > AX wrote: > > > > If you're out of your body and meet with someone who is also out of his > > body - that would mean that 2 bodies are "empty". Now my question is that > > is it possible for one person to go inside the others and live there just > > for a while? It sounds science fiction but when reading all these postings > > and it sounds quite logical for me. > > Well, I'm no expert, but I have a theory that each of our astral bodies > is in some way connected to the corresponding physical body. One may be > able to inhabit another's physical body, but I doubt it would be for any > longer than a few minutes... > > Others here will know better than I... am I on the right track???? > > ~Jen > -- > * Knowledge may be power, but ignorance is bliss. * > * --Jennifer Spengler =P * > * http://www.i-america.net/homepages/hally2000/ * > * Both Sides Of the Mood** * I don't believe that empty shell/possession stuff at all. IMO, merely one aspect of our consciousness is projected away from our body during an OBE and a gigantic ocean of Being still exists at home in the 'shell'. Who knows, though, 'The Exorcist' certainly was a cool movie! hee hee. say your prayers christians! (just kidding christians) -brian ###### From: rose_lips@webtv.net Newsgroups: alt.out-of-body Subject: Re: Exchange? Date: Wed, 28 Oct 1998 18:42:50 -0500 (EST) Organization: WebTV Subscriber Lines: 12 Message-ID: <17045-3637ABFA-15@newsd-143.iap.bryant.webtv.net> References: <363692A1.69A9@hotmail.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: localhost.webtv.net Mime-Version: 1.0 (WebTV) Content-Type: Text/Plain; Charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7Bit X-WebTV-Signature: 1 ETAtAhUAsxpHIOC/uR+os33pcvHAtdO2UlMCFCpNQ1A8XjOQ0u9CAUazx0G3IFpT Path: chonsp.franklin.ch!pfaff.ethz.ch!news-zh.switch.ch!news-ge.switch.ch!newscore.univie.ac.at!uninett.no!howland.erols.net!newsfeed.concentric.net!webtv.net!not-for-mail We are connected to our body by an astral umbilical cord. The pulling back into the body sensation that we feel is our cord . It appears sometimes to some but not to others. If anyone can explain that , it would be of importance to me..The reason we cannot invade other bodies I gather from my personal studies is due to this cord that is cut at the time of death...I'm not as knowledgeable on the mistery of possesion but from what I gather these spirits somehow travel with out the use of their astral cord. Are we to suppose that they are our dead counterparts or entities that survive naturally in the astral plane? ME ###### From: d0c@aol.com (D0C) Newsgroups: alt.out-of-body Subject: Re: Exchange? Lines: 12 NNTP-Posting-Host: ladder01.news.aol.com X-Admin: news@aol.com Date: 29 Oct 1998 03:28:59 GMT Organization: AOL http://www.aol.com References: <17045-3637ABFA-15@newsd-143.iap.bryant.webtv.net> Message-ID: <19981028222859.25705.00000768@ng154.aol.com> Path: chonsp.franklin.ch!pfaff.ethz.ch!news-zh.switch.ch!news-ge.switch.ch!news.maxwell.syr.edu!newsfeed.cwix.com!152.163.199.19!portc03.blue.aol.com!audrey01.news.aol.com!not-for-mail When we die, we are no longer umbillically connected to a physical body. We exist in whatever level/plane/energy frequency we are drawn to. An entity that is very far along this evolutionary path can, with the willing participation of a person that they have tutored, enter and inhabit a physical body. There is one case I am aware of in Yelm, Washington. This being is "channeled" for the purpose of teaching about the true nature of reality and the part of us that survives our death. It is this part of us that is able to leave our body. Call it soul or spirit. IT is the reality of existance, not this time /space illusion. D0C ###### Message-ID: <363787C4.8F77B646@the.end.of.the.message> Date: Thu, 29 Oct 1998 08:08:20 +1100 From: Craig Organization: Deja Vous X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.05 [en] (Win95; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 Newsgroups: alt.out-of-body Subject: Re: Exchange? References: <36363b67.0@news.infonet.ee> <363692A1.69A9@hotmail.com> <715tpb$omn$1@supernews.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit NNTP-Posting-Host: 203.18.28.7 X-Trace: 29 Oct 1998 09:28:11 +1000, 203.18.28.7 Lines: 20 Path: chonsp.franklin.ch!pfaff.ethz.ch!news-zh.switch.ch!news-ge.switch.ch!news.maxwell.syr.edu!news.idt.net!WCG!cyclone.i1.net!uunet!in2.uu.net!nap-ns1!203.18.28.7 Richard wrote: > My theory . . . since theories are all we have to go on. . . is that we do > not leave the body as much as we send out our awareness. So if it is not > really empty, it is not possible for the body to be taken over. I tend to agree Richard. Plus, we always have some sort of awareness of how the physical body is going as well. Why else would we be zapped back from external noises and other physical influences. All the best Craig -- The sure way to make a thing impossible- -is to think it so. --- Franklin To respond, delete _nospam_ scrappy@_nospam_netconnect.com.au -- ###### Message-ID: <36389467.63E2@hotmail.com> Date: Thu, 29 Oct 1998 08:14:31 -0800 From: Jennifer Spengler {wooble} Reply-To: midigal@hotmail.com Organization: I'm not organized at all, thank you. X-Mailer: Mozilla 3.04 (Win16; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 Newsgroups: alt.out-of-body Subject: Re: Exchange? References: <363692A1.69A9@hotmail.com> <17045-3637ABFA-15@newsd-143.iap.bryant.webtv.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit NNTP-Posting-Host: computone3c.i-america.net Lines: 20 Path: chonsp.franklin.ch!pfaff.ethz.ch!news-zh.switch.ch!news.belnet.be!212.63.192.161.MISMATCH!newshub.bart.net!news.tele2.nl!newsfeed1.swip.net!swipnet!newsfeed.cwix.com!205.252.116.205!howland.erols.net!news-xfer.newsread.com!netaxs.com!newsread.com!news4.his.com!computone3c.i-america.net rose_lips@webtv.net wrote: > > We are connected to our body by an astral umbilical cord. The pulling > back into the body sensation that we feel is our cord . It appears > sometimes to some but not to others. If anyone can explain that , it > would be of importance to me..The reason we cannot invade other bodies I > gather from my personal studies is due to this cord that is cut at the > time of death... Hmmm.. I see a pattern. Physical Umbilical cord cut at birth, astral one cut at death. For some reason, that is making me think. I'm not sure what I'm thinking about.. but it has stimulated me.. so *that's* a good thing... ~Jen -- * Knowledge may be power, but ignorance is bliss. * * --Jennifer Spengler =P * * http://www.i-america.net/homepages/hally2000/ * * Both Sides Of the Mood** * ###### Message-ID: <36389528.4A48@hotmail.com> Date: Thu, 29 Oct 1998 08:17:44 -0800 From: Jennifer Spengler {wooble} Reply-To: midigal@hotmail.com Organization: I'm not organized at all, thank you. X-Mailer: Mozilla 3.04 (Win16; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 Newsgroups: alt.out-of-body Subject: Re: Exchange? References: <363692A1.69A9@hotmail.com> <17045-3637ABFA-15@newsd-143.iap.bryant.webtv.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit NNTP-Posting-Host: computone3c.i-america.net Lines: 20 Path: chonsp.franklin.ch!pfaff.ethz.ch!news-zh.switch.ch!news.belnet.be!newsfeed.wirehub.nl!howland.erols.net!nntp.abs.net!outfeed1.news.cais.net!news4.his.com!computone3c.i-america.net rose_lips@webtv.net wrote: > > We are connected to our body by an astral umbilical cord. The pulling > back into the body sensation that we feel is our cord . It appears > sometimes to some but not to others. If anyone can explain that , it > would be of importance to me..The reason we cannot invade other bodies I > gather from my personal studies is due to this cord that is cut at the > time of death... Hmmm.. I see a pattern. Physical Umbilical cord cut at birth, astral one cut at death. For some reason, that is making me think. I'm not sure what I'm thinking about.. but it has stimulated me.. so *that's* a good thing... ~Jen -- * Knowledge may be power, but ignorance is bliss. * * --Jennifer Spengler =P * * http://www.i-america.net/homepages/hally2000/ * * Both Sides Of the Mood** * ###### Message-ID: <3638955B.644A@hotmail.com> Date: Thu, 29 Oct 1998 08:18:35 -0800 From: Jennifer Spengler {wooble} Reply-To: midigal@hotmail.com Organization: I'm not organized at all, thank you. X-Mailer: Mozilla 3.04 (Win16; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 Newsgroups: alt.out-of-body Subject: Re: Exchange? References: <363692A1.69A9@hotmail.com> <17045-3637ABFA-15@newsd-143.iap.bryant.webtv.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit NNTP-Posting-Host: computone3c.i-america.net Lines: 20 Path: chonsp.franklin.ch!pfaff.ethz.ch!news-zh.switch.ch!news.belnet.be!212.63.192.161.MISMATCH!newshub.bart.net!news.tele2.nl!newsfeed.wirehub.nl!howland.erols.net!news-peer.gip.net!news.gsl.net!gip.net!news.new-york.net!nntp.frontiernet.net!news4.his.com!computone3c.i-america.net rose_lips@webtv.net wrote: > > We are connected to our body by an astral umbilical cord. The pulling > back into the body sensation that we feel is our cord . It appears > sometimes to some but not to others. If anyone can explain that , it > would be of importance to me..The reason we cannot invade other bodies I > gather from my personal studies is due to this cord that is cut at the > time of death... Hmmm.. I see a pattern. Physical Umbilical cord cut at birth, astral one cut at death. For some reason, that is making me think. I'm not sure what I'm thinking about.. but it has stimulated me.. so *that's* a good thing... ~Jen -- * Knowledge may be power, but ignorance is bliss. * * --Jennifer Spengler =P * * http://www.i-america.net/homepages/hally2000/ * * Both Sides Of the Mood** * ###### From: "AX" Newsgroups: alt.out-of-body References: <36363b67.0@news.infonet.ee> <363692A1.69A9@hotmail.com> <715tpb$omn$1@supernews.com> <363787C4.8F77B646@the.end.of.the.message> Subject: Re: Exchange? Date: Fri, 30 Oct 1998 00:27:31 +0200 Lines: 54 X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.3110.1 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.3110.3 NNTP-Posting-Host: tc1-235.dyn.online.ee Message-ID: <3638ee15.0@news.infonet.ee> X-Trace: 30 Oct 1998 00:37:09 +0300, tc1-235.dyn.online.ee Organization: INFONET.EE Usenet News Server Path: chonsp.franklin.ch!pfaff.ethz.ch!news-zh.switch.ch!news-ge.switch.ch!news.maxwell.syr.edu!howland.erols.net!cpk-news-hub1.bbnplanet.com!news.news.gtei.net!atl-news-feed1.bbnplanet.com!news.gtei.net!news.planetc.com!news.infonet.ee!tc1-235.dyn.online.ee Well I know stories where the oob traveller leaves his body for a couple of days. Then trying to come back to his body he founds out that his physical body has been destroyed... He has not been called back to come back to his conciseness... There are also known a lots of cases where the human bodies are buried because of they are nearly dead or dead, I mean the doc. says that the person is dead but actually he is only practising oob travelling. However, I have never had a oobe so I can hardly tell if these stories are true or not. But in the country I am living the talented people are telling of sort of silver-rope that connects two bodies. And by cutting this rope you become automatically a dead person. I guess that is also a explanation of what exactly is ment if we tell someone's yarn is cut or someone's yarn is at the end (Do they say so in U.S. ? ). According to these stories I actually believe that the body can be at one place and the soul can be in another. Sure you can say you haven't got out of your body so do not speak up. I may have not been out but that doesn't mean that I do not want to. (((( And because I want to get out I really do some studies over here. However it is not possible for me to go out and buy some good hardcopies of "manuals" how to get out... Huh... Sorry I got a little bit upset... Anyway, it is because all the available literature and people are in some kind of belief that you should not do that or that. Not that I have anything against their belief, but I do not agree that god is a single personality who exist in other places except the human head. ))) I just had to get rid of that) Craig wrote in message <363787C4.8F77B646@the.end.of.the.message>... >Richard wrote: >> My theory . . . since theories are all we have to go on. . . is that we do >> not leave the body as much as we send out our awareness. So if it is not >> really empty, it is not possible for the body to be taken over. > >I tend to agree Richard. Plus, we always have some sort of awareness of >how the physical body is going as well. Why else would we be zapped back >from external noises and other physical influences. > >All the best >Craig >-- >The sure way to make a thing impossible- > -is to think it so. --- Franklin > >To respond, delete _nospam_ >scrappy@_nospam_netconnect.com.au >-- > > ###### Message-ID: <363959BC.17A0@hotmail.com> Date: Thu, 29 Oct 1998 22:16:28 -0800 From: Jennifer Spengler {wooble} Reply-To: midigal@hotmail.com Organization: I'm not organized at all, thank you. X-Mailer: Mozilla 3.04 (Win16; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 Newsgroups: alt.out-of-body Subject: Re: Exchange? References: <36363b67.0@news.infonet.ee> <363692A1.69A9@hotmail.com> <715tpb$omn$1@supernews.com> <363787C4.8F77B646@the.end.of.the.message> <3638ee15.0@news.infonet.ee> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit NNTP-Posting-Host: cmp135.i-america.net Lines: 32 Path: chonsp.franklin.ch!pfaff.ethz.ch!news-zh.switch.ch!news-ge.switch.ch!news.maxwell.syr.edu!newspeer.monmouth.com!news.lightlink.com!news4.his.com!cmp135.i-america.net AX wrote: > > Well I know stories where the oob traveller leaves his body for a couple of > days. Then trying to come back to his body he founds out that his physical > body has been destroyed... He has not been called back to come back to his > conciseness... There are also known a lots of cases where the human bodies > are buried because of they are nearly dead or dead, I mean the doc. says > that the person is dead but actually he is only practising oob travelling. > However, I have never had a oobe so I can hardly tell if these stories are Hello AX. =} Are the stories true, you ask? Well, I doubt that they are.. I mean, for ONE thing, if I've been informed correctly, the physical body does not die when we're OOB. Our physical body is still functioning properly (ie heart beating, lungs inflating/deflating...etc.) It's just in a trance and/or asleep. Also, ANOTHER thing... if one did die while OOB, how did these stories come to be? Did the person who died come in astral form to someone and relay the event? I mean, it would be possible to do that I'm sure, but I doubt that would happen, because I *just don't* believe the stories are true, regarding my first reason... Maybe I'm wrong, but I *hope* I'm right. Maybe some of the others here can shed some light on it for you (And me). ~Jen -- * Knowledge may be power, but ignorance is bliss. * * --Jennifer Spengler =P * * http://www.i-america.net/homepages/hally2000/ * * Both Sides Of the Mood** * ###### From: White Spirit Newsgroups: alt.out-of-body Subject: Re: Exchange? Date: Fri, 30 Oct 1998 12:19:30 -0800 Organization: Airnews.net! at Internet America Lines: 20 Message-ID: <0977266AC0C5CC4F.2638E2C337FC262B.2A5951F7B2469252@library-proxy.airnews.net> X-Orig-Message-ID: <363A1F52.72EB@hotmail.com> References: <36363b67.0@news.infonet.ee> <363692A1.69A9@hotmail.com> <715tpb$omn$1@supernews.com> <363787C4.8F77B646@the.end.of.the.message> <3638ee15.0@news.infonet.ee> <363959BC.17A0@hotmail.com> Abuse-Reports-To: abuse at airmail.net to report improper postings NNTP-Proxy-Relay: library.airnews.net NNTP-Posting-Time: Fri Oct 30 12:26:15 1998 NNTP-Posting-Host: c9_bL+Bl.F%+TMKB (Encoded at Airnews!) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Mozilla 3.04 (Win95; I) Path: chonsp.franklin.ch!pfaff.ethz.ch!news-zh.switch.ch!news.belnet.be!news-raspail.gip.net!news-peer.gip.net!news.gsl.net!gip.net!dca1-hub1.news.digex.net!digex!nntp.giganews.com!news.airnews.net!cabal10.airnews.net!cabal1.airnews.net!news-f.iadfw.net!usenet Jennifer Spengler {wooble} wrote: > Are the stories true, you ask? > Well, I doubt that they are.. I mean, for ONE thing, if I've been > informed correctly, the physical body does not die when we're OOB. Our > physical body is still functioning properly (ie heart beating, lungs > inflating/deflating...etc.) It's just in a trance and/or asleep. Also, > ANOTHER thing... if one did die while OOB, how did these stories come to > be? Did the person who died come in astral form to someone and relay > the event? I mean, it would be possible to do that I'm sure, but I > doubt that would happen, because I *just don't* believe the stories are > true, regarding my first reason... Hmm... Supposing a negative spirit could make your physical body appear to you as if it had died so that it could gain control over you or your body? If you were to believe it, it would be most likely be a successful ploy due to the fear, panic and other emotions which are likely to follow. If you were to return to your body there is always the possibility of worrying that it was a premonition. ####### Message-ID: <363A120A.727C67B1@the.end.of.the.message> Date: Sat, 31 Oct 1998 06:22:50 +1100 From: Craig Organization: Deja Vous X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.05 [en] (Win95; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 Newsgroups: alt.out-of-body Subject: Re: Exchange? References: <36363b67.0@news.infonet.ee> <363692A1.69A9@hotmail.com> <715tpb$omn$1@supernews.com> <363787C4.8F77B646@the.end.of.the.message> <3638ee15.0@news.infonet.ee> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit NNTP-Posting-Host: 203.18.28.10 X-Trace: 31 Oct 1998 07:30:44 +1000, 203.18.28.10 Lines: 77 Path: chonsp.franklin.ch!pfaff.ethz.ch!news-zh.switch.ch!news.belnet.be!newsfeed.wirehub.nl!diablo.theplanet.net!news-lond.gip.net!news.gsl.net!gip.net!nntp.news.xara.net!xara.net!rill.news.pipex.net!pipex!uunet!in4.uu.net!nap-ns1!203.18.28.10 AX wrote: > > Well I know stories where the oob traveller leaves his body for a couple of > days. Then trying to come back to his body he founds out that his physical > body has been destroyed... He has not been called back to come back to his > conciseness... Hmmm, I dunno if I would pay too much attention to these stories. Maybe the body was destroyed because the person was dying anyway. I've never heard of anyone leaving their body for a couple of days before. I guess it could be done, but I suspect it would take such a great deal of energy away from the physical person, they would surly die anyway. > There are also known a lots of cases where the human bodies > are buried because of they are nearly dead or dead, I mean the doc. says > that the person is dead but actually he is only practising oob travelling. Hmmm, this sounds more like a voodoo thing. Something I read about once about a powder that would render someone near death. Breathing and heart rate that slow and weak they are basically dead anyway. People were getting buried because they appeared to have died. They even have seen scratches on the inside of the coffin lids from when the person would wake again and not know where they were. :-( > However, I have never had a oobe so I can hardly tell if these stories are > true or not. But in the country I am living the talented people are telling > of sort of silver-rope that connects two bodies. And by cutting this rope > you become automatically a dead person. I guess that is also a explanation > of what exactly is ment if we tell someone's yarn is cut or someone's yarn > is at the end (Do they say so in U.S. ? ). I have never seen a cord from my body while I am OOB, but that doesn't mean I don't have on does it. :-) I figure the cord might be figurative. I feel we have a connection between the physical and astral, but I'm not sure if it is via a cord we can see. Some people see it, others never see it, maybe it depends, like so many other things, on what we believe ourselves. > According to these stories I actually believe that the body can be at one > place and the soul can be in another. > Sure you can say you haven't got out of your body so do not speak up. I may > have not been out but that doesn't mean that I do not want to. > > (((( And because I want to get out I really do some studies over here. > However it is not possible for me to go out and buy some good hardcopies of > "manuals" how to get out... Huh... Sorry I got a little bit upset... > Anyway, it is because all the available literature and people are in some > kind of belief that you should not do that or that. Not that I have anything > against their belief, but I do not agree that god is a single personality > who exist in other places except the human head. ))) I just had to get rid > of that) > > >Richard wrote: > >> My theory . . . since theories are all we have to go on. . . is that we > do > >> not leave the body as much as we send out our awareness. So if it is not > >> really empty, it is not possible for the body to be taken over. Craig wrote: > >I tend to agree Richard. Plus, we always have some sort of awareness of > >how the physical body is going as well. Why else would we be zapped back > >from external noises and other physical influences. All the best Craig -- The sure way to make a thing impossible- -is to think it so. --- Franklin To respond, delete _nospam_ scrappy@_nospam_netconnect.com.au -- ###### From: johnf@melbpc.org.au (John Fitzsimons) Newsgroups: alt.out-of-body Subject: Re: Exchange? Date: Sat, 31 Oct 1998 21:24:48 GMT Organization: Melbourne PC User Group Inc, Australia Lines: 44 Message-ID: <363e6488.16999403@news.melbpc.org.au> References: <36363b67.0@news.infonet.ee> NNTP-Posting-Host: b3-55.melbpc.org.au Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Newsreader: Forte Agent 1.5/32.451 Path: chonsp.franklin.ch!pfaff.ethz.ch!news-zh.switch.ch!news.belnet.be!newsfeed.wirehub.nl!btnet-peer!btnet!news.maxwell.syr.edu!news.mel.connect.com.au!news2.melbpc.org.au!not-for-mail On Tue, 27 Oct 1998 23:31:34 +0200, "AX" wrote: > If you're out of your body and meet with someone who is also out of his >body - that would mean that 2 bodies are "empty". No. Sometimes it is and sometimes it isn't. Sometimes it is occupied by a positive, or negative, entity. When the former this is as a form of protecting the physical for you. Though a guide of the light will generally just watch over the physical form. The latter situation depends on how well one's "natural" or "formal" psychic protection is. If one's "natural" protection (light) is strong then a negative entity wouldn't feel comfortable in your body so would often just go after "easier game". IF the person is stronger than your light then what they can do would depend on what protective shielding you had set up and/or whether you had requested the help of the forces of light. >Now my question is that >is it possible for one person to go inside the others and live there just >for a while? Yes, but the pull of their own physical body generally ensures that the stay isn't very long. Having returned they would generally not remember the experience. I have had students remember being in another's physical body but they are people who are trained in keeping some degree of "awareness" when going in/out of the physical. >It sounds science fiction but when reading all these postings >and it sounds quite logical for me. The "process" isn't so much the problem (especially if both people are on a similar spiritual level) but the conscious recall is. Regards, John. **************************************************** ,-._|\ John Fitzsimons - Melbourne, Australia. / Oz \ johnf@melbpc.org.au, Fidonet 3:632/309 \_,--.x/ http://www.vicnet.net.au/~johnf/welcome.htm v http://www.alphalink.com.au/~johnf/ ###### From: johnf@melbpc.org.au (John Fitzsimons) Newsgroups: alt.out-of-body Subject: Re: Exchange? Date: Sat, 31 Oct 1998 21:24:49 GMT Organization: Melbourne PC User Group Inc, Australia Lines: 61 Message-ID: <363f67ba.17817293@news.melbpc.org.au> References: <36363b67.0@news.infonet.ee> <363692A1.69A9@hotmail.com> <715tpb$omn$1@supernews.com> <363787C4.8F77B646@the.end.of.the.message> <3638ee15.0@news.infonet.ee> <363959BC.17A0@hotmail.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: b3-55.melbpc.org.au Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Newsreader: Forte Agent 1.5/32.451 Path: chonsp.franklin.ch!pfaff.ethz.ch!news-zh.switch.ch!news.belnet.be!212.63.192.161.MISMATCH!newshub.bart.net!news.tele2.nl!newsfeed1.swip.net!swipnet!news.maxwell.syr.edu!news.mel.connect.com.au!news2.melbpc.org.au!not-for-mail On Thu, 29 Oct 1998 22:16:28 -0800, Jennifer Spengler {wooble} wrote: >AX wrote: >> Well I know stories where the oob traveller leaves his body for a couple of >> days. Then trying to come back to his body he founds out that his physical >> body has been destroyed... He has not been called back to come back to his >> conciseness... There are also known a lots of cases where the human bodies >> are buried because of they are nearly dead or dead, I mean the doc. says >> that the person is dead but actually he is only practising oob travelling. >> However, I have never had a oobe so I can hardly tell if these stories are >Are the stories true, you ask? >Well, I doubt that they are.. I mean, for ONE thing, if I've been >informed correctly, the physical body does not die when we're OOB. Generally that is correct. It can do so though. People know this and this is one of the reasons that people have a fear of going OOB. People go OOB and don't return at least once in every lifetime. It's called death. >Our >physical body is still functioning properly (ie heart beating, lungs >inflating/deflating...etc.) It's just in a trance and/or asleep. Also, >ANOTHER thing... if one did die while OOB, how did these stories come to >be? Did the person who died come in astral form to someone and relay >the event? You haven't heard of mediumship ? >I mean, it would be possible to do that I'm sure, but I >doubt that would happen, because I *just don't* believe the stories are >true, regarding my first reason... Just because everyone who OOBs doesn't die it doesn't follow that one cannot die from OOBing. Everyone doesn't die when they go out in their car. Can one then say one cannot die when they are out (driving their car) ? >Maybe I'm wrong, but I *hope* I'm right. Maybe some of the others here >can shed some light on it for you (And me). When you "go out" in your car you could die ? Does that stop you ? If the answer to the second question is "no" then I doubt you would be too worried about the possible (remote) risk in going OOB and dying. What is more likely with OOBs is "psychic draining", "posession", "obsession" etc. The latter being due to chakras not being closed properly. These dangers however can be reduced by applying effective protection techniques. Regards, John. **************************************************** ,-._|\ John Fitzsimons - Melbourne, Australia. / Oz \ johnf@melbpc.org.au, Fidonet 3:632/309 \_,--.x/ http://www.vicnet.net.au/~johnf/welcome.htm v http://www.alphalink.com.au/~johnf/ ###### From: johnf@melbpc.org.au (John Fitzsimons) Newsgroups: alt.out-of-body Subject: Re: Exchange? Date: Sat, 31 Oct 1998 21:24:50 GMT Organization: Melbourne PC User Group Inc, Australia Lines: 39 Message-ID: <36416c40.18975253@news.melbpc.org.au> References: <363692A1.69A9@hotmail.com> <17045-3637ABFA-15@newsd-143.iap.bryant.webtv.net> NNTP-Posting-Host: b3-55.melbpc.org.au Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Newsreader: Forte Agent 1.5/32.451 Path: chonsp.franklin.ch!pfaff.ethz.ch!news-zh.switch.ch!news-ge.switch.ch!news.maxwell.syr.edu!news.mel.connect.com.au!news2.melbpc.org.au!not-for-mail On Wed, 28 Oct 1998 18:42:50 -0500 (EST), rose_lips@webtv.net wrote: >We are connected to our body by an astral umbilical cord. The pulling >back into the body sensation that we feel is our cord . It appears >sometimes to some but not to others. If anyone can explain that , it >would be of importance to me.. Seeing the cord depends on whether the person sees well clairvoyantly and the frequency of the cord's vibration. To put it another way. If you are "tuned in" to one T.V. station then the other stations appear to be "invisible". >The reason we cannot invade other bodies I >gather from my personal studies is due to this cord that is cut at the >time of death... No, that isn't correct. A physical person *can* possess another person's physical body. It is simply very uncommon though. A physical person has a great deal of difficulty keeping track of TWO bodies at the same time. With discarnate people it is different however. That is why possession is usually done by discarnate people. >I'm not as knowledgeable on the mistery of possesion but >from what I gather these spirits somehow travel with out the use of >their astral cord. Are we to suppose that they are our dead >counterparts or entities that survive naturally in the astral plane? Negative discarnates, earthbound and lower astral people. When the second category possess people it is often unintentional. Regards, John. **************************************************** ,-._|\ John Fitzsimons - Melbourne, Australia. / Oz \ johnf@melbpc.org.au, Fidonet 3:632/309 \_,--.x/ http://www.vicnet.net.au/~johnf/welcome.htm v http://www.alphalink.com.au/~johnf/ ###### From: johnf@melbpc.org.au (John Fitzsimons) Newsgroups: alt.out-of-body Subject: Re: Exchange? Date: Sat, 31 Oct 1998 21:24:51 GMT Organization: Melbourne PC User Group Inc, Australia Lines: 31 Message-ID: <36426c8f.19054264@news.melbpc.org.au> References: <17045-3637ABFA-15@newsd-143.iap.bryant.webtv.net> <19981028222859.25705.00000768@ng154.aol.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: b3-55.melbpc.org.au Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Newsreader: Forte Agent 1.5/32.451 Path: chonsp.franklin.ch!pfaff.ethz.ch!news-zh.switch.ch!news-ge.switch.ch!news.maxwell.syr.edu!news.mel.connect.com.au!news2.melbpc.org.au!not-for-mail On 29 Oct 1998 03:28:59 GMT, d0c@aol.com (D0C) wrote: >When we die, we are no longer umbillically connected to a physical body. We >exist in whatever level/plane/energy frequency we are drawn to. An entity that >is very far along this evolutionary path can, with the willing participation of >a person that they have tutored, enter and inhabit a physical body. There is >one case I am aware of in Yelm, Washington. This being is "channeled" for the >purpose of teaching about the true nature of reality and the part of us that >survives our death. It is this part of us that is able to leave our body. Call >it soul or spirit. IT is the reality of existance, not this time /space >illusion. > D0C Yes, what you say is correct. However I suspect that this thread was more along the lines of unintentional, or negative, possession. Possession by a more spiritually advanced person, as can happen with a trance medium, is hardly something one would tend to be concerned about. There are many thousands of people who channel teachers/ healers from the higher planes. This sort of thing is quite common in Spiritualist churches/groups. Regards, John. **************************************************** ,-._|\ John Fitzsimons - Melbourne, Australia. / Oz \ johnf@melbpc.org.au, Fidonet 3:632/309 \_,--.x/ http://www.vicnet.net.au/~johnf/welcome.htm v http://www.alphalink.com.au/~johnf/ ###### From: rgross6162@aol.com (RGross6162) Newsgroups: alt.out-of-body Subject: Re: Exchange? Lines: 13 NNTP-Posting-Host: ladder03.news.aol.com X-Admin: news@aol.com Date: 1 Nov 1998 14:39:00 GMT Organization: AOL http://www.aol.com References: <36363b67.0@news.infonet.ee> Message-ID: <19981101093900.27514.00002473@ng33.aol.com> Path: chonsp.franklin.ch!pfaff.ethz.ch!news-zh.switch.ch!news.belnet.be!newsgate.cistron.nl!het.net!news.tele2.nl!newsfeed1.swip.net!swipnet!newsfeed.cwix.com!4.1.16.34!cpk-news-hub1.bbnplanet.com!news.news.gtei.net!portc02.blue.aol.com!audrey03.news.aol.com!not-for-mail Hi. You cannot take over another person's body because that body is protectecd by the silver cord which we all have when we are first born. It is much like the umbilical cord that is attached to the mother. The only time this cord will be cut is when you make your last out of body projection at your physical "death". If anything disturbs your physical while you are out, you will immediately be transported back to it, whether it be a dog barking across the street or someone turning over in bed alongside you. This is why it's important to practice this somewhere where you know you won't be distsurbed. Build your own little astral projection corner in your home and do it there every day. Soon you'll build up your own comfortable energy and find it much easier to leave. Hope this helps. Jerry ###### From: "claire" Newsgroups: alt.out-of-body Subject: Re: Exchange? Date: 1 Nov 1998 19:44:38 GMT Organization: http://www.supernews.com, The World's Usenet: Discussions Start Here Lines: 37 Message-ID: <01be05e8$5140b7e0$18e555c6@default> References: <36363b67.0@news.infonet.ee> <363e6488.16999403@news.melbpc.org.au> NNTP-Posting-Host: 198.85.229.24 X-Trace: 909949478 KESTV.NODE518C655C usenet76.supernews.com X-Complaints-To: newsabuse@supernews.com X-Newsreader: Microsoft Internet News 4.70.1155 Path: chonsp.franklin.ch!pfaff.ethz.ch!news-zh.switch.ch!news.belnet.be!news-raspail.gip.net!news-peer.gip.net!news.gsl.net!gip.net!newsfeed.berkeley.edu!Supernews73!supernews.com!Supernews69!not-for-mail John Fitzsimons wrote in article <363e6488.16999403@news.melbpc.org.au>... > On Tue, 27 Oct 1998 23:31:34 +0200, "AX" wrote: > > > > If you're out of your body and meet with someone who is also out of his > >body - that would mean that 2 bodies are "empty". > > No. Sometimes it is and sometimes it isn't. Sometimes it is occupied > by a positive, or negative, entity. When the former this is as a form > of protecting the physical for you. Though a guide of the light will > generally just watch over the physical form. > I know this is confusing the issue, but I was wondering if we aren't looking at this rather linearly? By this I mean, we are assuming that the soul is "separate" from the body and not just another manisfestation of the soul. If the body is just a different "manifestation" of the soul, as in created because that soul had a particular vibration when it manifested in the physical then how is possession possible at all? I don't know if I phrased this well. What I mean is, isn't the body unique to the soul's patterns? What I'm thinking is the soul is multi-dimensional and exists as an astral body, a mental body, a physical body, an etheric body etc. etc. etc. at all times. It's just our awareness that shifts. The physical body dies and deteriorates when our awareness shifts more predominantly to another body. Does that sound screwed up? So, in essence, the body only exists because the soul exists and there really isn't an "empty" body at any time during sleep, only a diverted consciousness. I hope you know what I am trying to say John, because I am having difficulty phrasing it. How can someone possess the pattern of another person when it isn't their pattern to begin with? I'm going back to this because of a possibility that all worlds originate in the spiritual realms and manifest from there forward and not the other way around. Claire ###### From: ".Nisaba Merrieweather" Newsgroups: alt.out-of-body Subject: Re: Exchange? Date: 2 Nov 1998 01:59:44 GMT Organization: Terry Anthony Computers Lines: 54 Message-ID: <01be0604$47b2f960$5dd266cb@default> References: <36363b67.0@news.infonet.ee> <363e6488.16999403@news.melbpc.org.au> NNTP-Posting-Host: 203.102.210.3 X-Trace: news.mel.aone.net.au 909971984 8569 203.102.210.3 (2 Nov 1998 01:59:44 GMT) NNTP-Posting-Date: 2 Nov 1998 01:59:44 GMT X-Newsreader: Microsoft Internet News 4.70.1161 Cache-Post-Path: slave.tac.com.au!unknown@diale34.gos.tac.com.au X-Cache: nntpcache 2.3.2.1 (see http://www.nntpcache.org/) Path: chonsp.franklin.ch!pfaff.ethz.ch!news-zh.switch.ch!news-ge.switch.ch!news.maxwell.syr.edu!newsfeed.berkeley.edu!pln-w!extra.newsguy.com!lotsanews.com!newsfeed.concentric.net!news.mel.aone.net.au!newsfeed-in.aone.net.au!not-for-mail Hi there. John Fitzsimons wrote in article <363e6488.16999403@news.melbpc.org.au>... > > If you're out of your body and meet with someone who is also out of his > >body - that would mean that 2 bodies are "empty". > > No. Sometimes it is and sometimes it isn't. Sometimes it is occupied > by a positive, or negative, entity. When the former this is as a form > of protecting the physical for you. Often, too, people "Bilocate", that is, leave a small amount of their consciousness or energy in their body as well as moving around and gaining an awareness of another location. > >Now my question is that > >is it possible for one person to go inside the others and live there just > >for a while? > > Yes, but the pull of their own physical body generally ensures that > the stay isn't very long. Having returned they would generally not > remember the experience. This is not necessarily so. a former partner of mine was also a frequent OOBE-er, and on more than one occasion we "swapped" bodies briefly during sex, and experienced what intense feelings felt like in each other's body. There was no loss of memory afterwards. Also, I have bi-located in other people's body occasionally, although it feels like tresspass and I don't often do it. An example was when I was walking along a road (I usually go into a shallow trance and do magical work when I walk, I spend a lot of hours walking each week and I might as well not waste the time). I was approaching a motorcycle repair workshop. A fellow on a bike rode past me, slowing down. As he leant over in order to turn the bike into the workshop, I felt what it was like to lean on the bike, with the wind coming up under the helmet, his physical pleasure in riding, the feel of the engine's revs, the feel of the tight denim of his jeans against his boy bits. I'm a girl - I have no other way of knowing what it feels like to have boy-bits. I'm also scared of motorbikes: I have no way of knowing what they feel like to sit on, or to ride, or how a helmet feels. It was true bilocation, and though it only lasted a second, not long enough for me to be "trespassing", and though the person in question seemed to be unaware of my presence, it gave me quite a lot of fairly physical information about being that person in that moment that I wouldn't have otherwise been able to have. -- .Nisaba Merrieweather nisaba@tac.com.au ###### From: ".Nisaba Merrieweather" Newsgroups: alt.out-of-body Subject: Re: Exchange? Date: 2 Nov 1998 10:12:58 GMT Organization: Terry Anthony Computers Lines: 54 Message-ID: <01be0605$bdc41520$5dd266cb@default> References: <36363b67.0@news.infonet.ee> <363692A1.69A9@hotmail.com> <715tpb$omn$1@supernews.com> <363787C4.8F77B646@the.end.of.the.message> <3638ee15.0@news.infonet.ee> <363959BC.17A0@hotmail.com> <363f67ba.17817293@news.melbpc.org.au> NNTP-Posting-Host: 203.102.210.3 X-Trace: news.mel.aone.net.au 910001578 11208 203.102.210.3 (2 Nov 1998 10:12:58 GMT) NNTP-Posting-Date: 2 Nov 1998 10:12:58 GMT X-Newsreader: Microsoft Internet News 4.70.1161 Cache-Post-Path: slave.tac.com.au!unknown@diale17.gos.tac.com.au X-Cache: nntpcache 2.3.2.1 (see http://www.nntpcache.org/) Path: chonsp.franklin.ch!pfaff.ethz.ch!news-zh.switch.ch!news-ge.switch.ch!news.maxwell.syr.edu!news.mel.connect.com.au!news.mel.aone.net.au!newsfeed-in.aone.net.au!not-for-mail Hi there. John Fitzsimons wrote in article <363f67ba.17817293@news.melbpc.org.au>... > >> Well I know stories where the oob traveller leaves his body for a couple of > >> days. Then trying to come back to his body he founds out that his physical > >> body has been destroyed... > > I mean, for ONE thing, if I've been > >informed correctly, the physical body does not die when we're OOB. > > Generally that is correct. It can do so though. People know this and > this is one of the reasons that people have a fear of going OOB. > People go OOB and don't return at least once in every lifetime. It's > called death. There's also the story, and I don't think it's apocryphal, about a mated pair of timber-wolves. Apparently, the rest of their pack (solmewhere in Canada) had been hunted out and shot by the local human population. These two were in hiding, avoiding human contact wherever possible. Some well-meaning philanthropist (or should that be philycist?) decided to shoot them with tranquillisers, crate them up, truck them out and set them free in a more remota area where they may have an increased chance of survival. In due course they were tranquillised, crated up and driven away. The drive was of some hours' duration. On the way, the driver had the sensation of hot breath and halitosis on his cheek. HE looked around, but there was no wolf (of course) loose with him in the cabin. When they reached the destination and he opened the crates, the wolves were there all right, but stone dead. A vet did a full autopsy, and found absolutely nothing to account for the deaths: no illnesses, no drug reactions, no dehydration or shock symptoms...the driver is convinced that, knowing that the rest of their pack had been exterminated by humans, the wolves had decided to go out of body and simply not return, creating a medically unexplainable death. Similar medically unexplainable deaths occur every so often in nursing homes for the aged. Also, deaths where an elder relative might call the whole family together to say goodbye before dying, may be also a death where tehy knew their life had little time, so they choose the time by going OOBE and simply not coming back. If I have the shance (ie, if I don't die by accident or violence) I will choose the same way to go. -- .Nisaba Merrieweather nisaba@tac.com.au ###### From: johnf@melbpc.org.au (John Fitzsimons) Newsgroups: alt.out-of-body Subject: Re: Exchange? Date: Tue, 03 Nov 1998 20:35:09 GMT Organization: Melbourne PC User Group Inc, Australia Lines: 72 Message-ID: <364836e2.8643459@news.melbpc.org.au> References: <36363b67.0@news.infonet.ee> <363e6488.16999403@news.melbpc.org.au> <01be0604$47b2f960$5dd266cb@default> NNTP-Posting-Host: b3-50.melbpc.org.au Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Newsreader: Forte Agent 1.5/32.451 Path: chonsp.franklin.ch!pfaff.ethz.ch!news-zh.switch.ch!news-ge.switch.ch!news.maxwell.syr.edu!news.mel.connect.com.au!news2.melbpc.org.au!not-for-mail On 2 Nov 1998 01:59:44 GMT, ".Nisaba Merrieweather" wrote: Hi Nisaba, >John Fitzsimons wrote in article ><363e6488.16999403@news.melbpc.org.au>... < snip > >Often, too, people "Bilocate", that is, leave a small amount of their >consciousness or energy in their body as well as moving around and gaining >an awareness of another location. >> >Now my question is that is it possible for one person to go inside the >>> others and live there just for a while? >> Yes, but the pull of their own physical body generally ensures that >> the stay isn't very long. Having returned they would generally not >> remember the experience. >This is not necessarily so. Agreed. That's why I said "generally". :-) >a former partner of mine was also a frequent >OOBE-er, and on more than one occasion we "swapped" bodies briefly during >sex, and experienced what intense feelings felt like in each other's body. >There was no loss of memory afterwards. >Also, I have bi-located in other people's body occasionally, although it >feels like tresspass and I don't often do it. An example was when I was >walking along a road (I usually go into a shallow trance and do magical >work when I walk, I spend a lot of hours walking each week and I might as >well not waste the time). I was approaching a motorcycle repair workshop. A >fellow on a bike rode past me, slowing down. As he leant over in order to >turn the bike into the workshop, I felt what it was like to lean on the >bike, with the wind coming up under the helmet, his physical pleasure in >riding, the feel of the engine's revs, the feel of the tight denim of his >jeans against his boy bits. >I'm a girl - I have no other way of knowing what it feels like to have >boy-bits. Yes you do. All those lifetimes you had as a boy must have given you some "first hand" experience. :-) >I'm also scared of motorbikes: I have no way of knowing what they >feel like to sit on, or to ride, or how a helmet feels. It was true >bilocation, and though it only lasted a second, not long enough for me to >be "trespassing", and though the person in question seemed to be unaware of >my presence, it gave me quite a lot of fairly physical information about >being that person in that moment that I wouldn't have otherwise been able >to have. Having the experience of being in someone else's physical body and/or their being in yours is, as I said in a previous post, certainly possible. However most "normal" people don't retain consciousness if/when this happens. Regards, John. P.S. Some people would not consider you/I to be "normal". < he he > **************************************************** ,-._|\ John Fitzsimons - Melbourne, Australia. / Oz \ johnf@melbpc.org.au, Fidonet 3:632/309 \_,--.x/ http://www.vicnet.net.au/~johnf/welcome.htm v http://www.alphalink.com.au/~johnf/ ###### From: johnf@melbpc.org.au (John Fitzsimons) Newsgroups: alt.out-of-body Subject: Re: Exchange? Date: Tue, 03 Nov 1998 20:35:11 GMT Organization: Melbourne PC User Group Inc, Australia Lines: 46 Message-ID: <36493905.9190454@news.melbpc.org.au> References: <36363b67.0@news.infonet.ee> <19981101093900.27514.00002473@ng33.aol.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: b3-50.melbpc.org.au Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Newsreader: Forte Agent 1.5/32.451 Path: chonsp.franklin.ch!pfaff.ethz.ch!news-zh.switch.ch!news-ge.switch.ch!news.maxwell.syr.edu!news.mel.connect.com.au!news2.melbpc.org.au!not-for-mail On 1 Nov 1998 14:39:00 GMT, rgross6162@aol.com (RGross6162) wrote: >Hi. You cannot take over another person's body because that body is protectecd >by the silver cord which we all have when we are first born. If what you said was true then people who are physically alive (i.e. have a "silver cord") could not be "possessed". In reality however your statement is incorrect. > It is much like >the umbilical cord that is attached to the mother. The only time this cord >will be cut is when you make your last out of body projection at your physical >"death". The silver cord does not need to be cut for your spirit to be outside your physical body. Your silver cord does not need to be cut for another spirit to occupy your physical body. Your being "out" is usually sufficient. >If anything disturbs your physical while you are out, you will >immediately be transported back to it, whether it be a dog barking across the >street or someone turning over in bed alongside you. "Generally" this is correct. However people can be "held out" of their physical body AND people can be denied access to their own physical body. > This is why it's >important to practice this somewhere where you know you won't be distsurbed. >Build your own little astral projection corner in your home and do it there >every day. Soon you'll build up your own comfortable energy and find it much >easier to leave. Hope this helps. "Leaving" wasn't the problem being discussed on this thread. Exchanging bodies was the query. The short answer was "Yes, it can be done". Regards, John. **************************************************** ,-._|\ John Fitzsimons - Melbourne, Australia. / Oz \ johnf@melbpc.org.au, Fidonet 3:632/309 \_,--.x/ http://www.vicnet.net.au/~johnf/welcome.htm v http://www.alphalink.com.au/~johnf/ ###### From: "SJ" Newsgroups: alt.out-of-body Subject: Re: Exchange? Date: 4 Nov 1998 06:48:01 GMT Organization: http://www.supernews.com, The World's Usenet: Discussions Start Here Lines: 22 Message-ID: <01be07be$ec9c4ec0$6eace3cd@default> References: <36363b67.0@news.infonet.ee> NNTP-Posting-Host: 205.227.172.110 X-Trace: 910162081 06EUZ2YAEAC6ECDE3C usenet58.supernews.com X-Complaints-To: newsabuse@supernews.com X-Newsreader: Microsoft Internet News 4.70.1162 Path: chonsp.franklin.ch!pfaff.ethz.ch!news-zh.switch.ch!news-ge.switch.ch!news.maxwell.syr.edu!newsfeed.direct.ca!Supernews73!supernews.com!Supernews69!not-for-mail AX wrote in article <36363b67.0@news.infonet.ee>... > > If you're out of your body and meet with someone who is also out of his > body - that would mean that 2 bodies are "empty". Now my question is that > is it possible for one person to go inside the others and live there just > for a while? It sounds science fiction but when reading all these postings > and it sounds quite logical for me. > > Best regards, > AX > After reading all these posts I just want to add that sometimes when I am OBE I can still feel my physical body, like I am in both places at once. So maybe our body really isn't empty. I think the quote Craig has as his signature sums it up for me ,"The sure way to make a thing impossible is to think it it so." SJ ###### From: Larry Moore Newsgroups: alt.out-of-body Subject: Re: Exchange? Date: Thu, 05 Nov 1998 13:08:47 -0800 Organization: Smart Lines: 18 Message-ID: <364213DE.B18B58B1@freewwweb.com> References: <36363b67.0@news.infonet.ee> <19981101093900.27514.00002473@ng33.aol.com> <36493905.9190454@news.melbpc.org.au> NNTP-Posting-Host: ppp-25.tc-1.col.smartworld.net Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.05 [en] (Win95; I) Path: chonsp.franklin.ch!pfaff.ethz.ch!news-zh.switch.ch!news-ge.switch.ch!news.maxwell.syr.edu!cpk-news-hub1.bbnplanet.com!news.news.gtei.net!cam-news-feed3.bbnplanet.com!news.gtei.net!news.smart1.net!not-for-mail I saw this on a message board: Still on the subject of the OBE swap method. Look at what i just found, on alt.out-of-body >a former partner of mine was also a frequent >OOBE-er, and on more than one occasion we "swapped" bodies briefly during >sex, and experienced what intense feelings felt like in each other's body. >There was no loss of memory afterwards. The title of the post is Re: Exchange? That part is just but little of the whole post... Where is this post?