From: Clairity@webtv.net (Clairity) Newsgroups: alt.out-of-body Subject: Does Astral travel require *directions*? Date: Sun, 18 Oct 1998 14:02:56 -0500 (CDT) Organization: WebTV Subscriber Lines: 25 Message-ID: <2181-362A3B60-37@newsd-103.iap.bryant.webtv.net> NNTP-Posting-Host: localhost.webtv.net Mime-Version: 1.0 (WebTV) Content-Type: Text/Plain; Charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7Bit X-WebTV-Signature: 1 ETAsAhQSIh5hU5naSPRkCPElRYbx5bkrVAIUUdaMFUF8o6u3vH4CSW4LhpYYEDI= Path: chonsp.franklin.ch!pfaff.ethz.ch!news-zh.switch.ch!news.belnet.be!news-raspail.gip.net!news-peer.gip.net!news.gsl.net!gip.net!newsfeed.cwix.com!207.217.77.43!newsfeed1.earthlink.net!newsfeed.concentric.net!webtv.net!not-for-mail Hi all! Question! When you astral travel is it necessary to know EXACTLY where the person or place is located. For instance, if I wanted to visit my sister in another state who moved to a new place - do I have to know PHYSICALLY where she is (i.e., address or approximate location) or is my *desire* or *intent* enough to get me to her. I guess I'm asking - do I have to be able to visualize her in her present surroundings to get to her? The reason I ask this is that I know when the astral travel group decides to meet, they give instructions/directions on how to get to the designated meeting place. I'm wondering if the reason that I couldn't get to the native american village I was trying to reach was that I wasn't specific enough in my request. Perhaps I should have also stated the city/state/ country of the village I wanted to go to. Perhaps it would have been helpful to even have looked at a picture of the village before the attempt. For those who astral travel to meet others or to reach certain destinations, exactly how, or what, do you do to get there? Thanks so much! Clairity ###### From: hawksmoor@dial.pipex.com (Julia Hawkes-Moore) Newsgroups: alt.out-of-body Subject: Re: Does Astral travel require *directions*? Date: Sun, 18 Oct 1998 21:18:13 GMT Organization: UUNET WorldCom server (post doesn't reflect views of UUNET WorldCom) Lines: 18 Message-ID: <362a598d.37769890@news.dial.pipex.com> References: <2181-362A3B60-37@newsd-103.iap.bryant.webtv.net> NNTP-Posting-Host: aa151.du.pipex.com X-Newsreader: Forte Free Agent 1.1/16.230 Path: chonsp.franklin.ch!pfaff.ethz.ch!news-zh.switch.ch!news.belnet.be!news-raspail.gip.net!news-lond.gip.net!news.gsl.net!gip.net!btnet-peer!btnet!rill.news.pipex.net!pipex!bore.news.pipex.net!pipex!not-for-mail On Sun, 18 Oct 1998 14:02:56 -0500 (CDT), Clairity@webtv.net (Clairity) wrote: >For those who astral travel to meet others or to reach certain >destinations, exactly how, or what, do you do to get there? Hello there. In my first travelling trips to meet people (the Sphinx) I studied a globe of the world and then just flew up my rainbow, then followed the outline of continents and rivers until I arrived. I was given complex instructions to reach a friend's house in Tennessee, but found it easily by just asking my guide to, well, guide me. When I visited Beth for our girl's night out, I looked at Utah on the globe, then just said "I want to go to Beth in Utah, please" whilst thinking of her. I was flown (rather than steering myself) straight to her bedroom. Easy as that, really. Get a fair idea of where you are heading, ask for help, relax and enjoy the ride, it's very fast! Hope this helps, All best wishes, Julia. ###### Message-ID: <362B7920.1FF2BD0C@pop.slkc.uswest.net> Date: Mon, 19 Oct 1998 10:38:40 -0700 From: Beth Reply-To: oberoberts@uswest.net X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.04 [en] (Win95; U) MIME-Version: 1.0 Newsgroups: alt.out-of-body Subject: Re: Does Astral travel require *directions*? References: <2181-362A3B60-37@newsd-103.iap.bryant.webtv.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit NNTP-Posting-Host: 207.224.204.179 X-Trace: 19 Oct 1998 12:09:24 +0500, 207.224.204.179 Lines: 61 X-Report: Report abuse to abuse@uswest.net. Path: chonsp.franklin.ch!pfaff.ethz.ch!news-zh.switch.ch!news.belnet.be!news-raspail.gip.net!news-peer.gip.net!news.gsl.net!gip.net!logbridge.uoregon.edu!su-news-hub1.bbnplanet.com!su-news-feed4.bbnplanet.com!news.bbnplanet.com!newsfeed1.uswest.net!news1.uswest.net!207.224.204.179 Clairity wrote: > Hi all! Question! When you astral travel is it necessary to know > EXACTLY where the person or place is located. For instance, if I > wanted to visit my sister in another state who moved to a new place - do > I have to know PHYSICALLY where she is (i.e., address or approximate > location) or is my *desire* or *intent* enough to get me to her. I > guess I'm asking - do I have to be able to visualize her in her present > surroundings to get to her? > > The reason I ask this is that I know when the astral travel group > decides to meet, they give instructions/directions on how to get to the > designated meeting place. > > I'm wondering if the reason that I couldn't get to the native american > village I was trying to reach was that I wasn't specific enough in my > request. Perhaps I should have also stated the city/state/ country of > the village I wanted to go to. Perhaps it would have been helpful to > even have looked at a picture of the village before the attempt. Clarity, For me and according to Robert Monroe, you don't need directions, but you do need what he called an "ident" This is like a locator beacon that you lock onto to help drag you to your requested destination. It works like this for me: If I want to go visit my friend George and he is not at his home but on a trip, like he is this weekend, I know approximately where he is at least the direction and I conjure up the feelings I have associated with him, which are unique to him, I project those "feelings" in the direction that I know he is, and I am able to lock on to his "ident." Now my friend George, he is better at it, because he doesn't have to know where I am to find me. In fact he was so use to finding my house based on locking in on me, that once he was trying to get to my house to deliver something to me, and I was about 5 blocks away from my house, he didn't know that and he could not find my house and kept driving around about 6 blocks from my house getting lost. Once he realized that I probably wasn't at home, he locked onto one of my children that he figured would be home, and he immediately drove to my house. The next time I saw him he asked me for the exact address of my house so that he could drive to my house like most people do, by using the address, that way if for some reason I am not here, he will not spend 15 to 20 minutes driving aimlessly around looking for it. As for giving directions to where we meet on Full Moon trips, I believe it is more so that those of us who have not been there or who are not familiar with the area, can lock in on any vibes or feelings that the place may conjure up in ourselves so that we can "lock on" to the place and go there. I believe it is also to help us know that we actually made it there to the right place. Most of us are not as experienced as Robert Monroe or some of the great Shaman's, so we need the extra help and practice. Now that I have more experience, I am better at just going where I want by "locking on" to a person or a place's "ident" Hope this answers your question. Beth ###### Message-ID: <362A9718.ADED6879@the.end.of.the.message> Date: Mon, 19 Oct 1998 11:34:16 +1000 From: Craig Organization: Deja Vous X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.05 [en] (Win95; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 Newsgroups: alt.out-of-body Subject: Re: Does Astral travel require *directions*? References: <2181-362A3B60-37@newsd-103.iap.bryant.webtv.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit NNTP-Posting-Host: 203.18.28.53 X-Trace: 19 Oct 1998 13:02:41 +1000, 203.18.28.53 Lines: 67 Path: chonsp.franklin.ch!pfaff.ethz.ch!news-zh.switch.ch!news.belnet.be!news-raspail.gip.net!news-peer.gip.net!news.gsl.net!gip.net!howland.erols.net!newsfeed.corridex.com!ameritech.ais.net!jamie!ais.net!ameritech.net!uunet!in1.uu.net!nap-ns1!203.18.28.53 Hi Clairity > Hi all! Question! When you astral travel is it necessary to know > EXACTLY where the person or place is located. For instance, if I > wanted to visit my sister in another state who moved to a new place - do > I have to know PHYSICALLY where she is (i.e., address or approximate > location) or is my *desire* or *intent* enough to get me to her. I > guess I'm asking - do I have to be able to visualize her in her present > surroundings to get to her? IMO, and from my own experience, no, you don't need to know the location or how it looks to be able to get to an individual. :-) I have done this, visited a friend overseas, not knowing anything about where they lived. All I did was to focus on the person, think about their personality, or try to connect with them. I have to note though, when I did this I travelled instantaneously to their location, I didn't travel over land and sea. I pictured the person, thought about them and said their name, then I was just in that location. :-) > The reason I ask this is that I know when the astral travel group > decides to meet, they give instructions/directions on how to get to the > designated meeting place. In a situation like this, it isn't much use thinking about an individual, cos if that person isn't at that location, you will goto the person at whatever location they are at. I think this is why these trips are done this way. That way, you can think of a location and try to travel there, hopefully meeting other travellers when you get there. I've never done this, yet, so I'm not sure how it works, but I would think that if you knew how to get there, or what location on the globe the destination is, it would best be done by travelling or flying over the terrain. :-) > I'm wondering if the reason that I couldn't get to the native american > village I was trying to reach was that I wasn't specific enough in my > request. Perhaps I should have also stated the city/state/ country of > the village I wanted to go to. Perhaps it would have been helpful to > even have looked at a picture of the village before the attempt. Hmmm, maybe if you focused on a native american person, that might help also. Or, if you do know the location of a village, try just flying around thinking about going to that location till you find something similar to what you are looking for. :-) > For those who astral travel to meet others or to reach certain > destinations, exactly how, or what, do you do to get there? Opps. already answered this above. :-) Robert Monroe suggests to concentrate on the person and slowly spin around till you get a 'feel' for the direction that they are in. Then you can continue to focus on that person while you travel in their direction. I personally just concentrated on the person and I was taken there. :-) > Thanks so much! > > Clairity All the best Craig -- The sure way to make a thing impossible- -is to think it so. --- Franklin To respond, delete _nospam_ scrappy@_nospam_netconnect.com.au -- ###### From: "Bart" Newsgroups: alt.out-of-body Subject: Re: Does Astral travel require *directions*? Date: Tue, 20 Oct 1998 22:48:22 -0400 Organization: ICGNetcom Lines: 74 Message-ID: <70ji91$7jc@dfw-ixnews7.ix.netcom.com> References: <2181-362A3B60-37@newsd-103.iap.bryant.webtv.net> NNTP-Posting-Host: clv-oh42-02.ix.netcom.com X-NETCOM-Date: Tue Oct 20 9:52:17 PM CDT 1998 X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.3110.1 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.3110.3 Path: chonsp.franklin.ch!pfaff.ethz.ch!news-zh.switch.ch!news-ge.switch.ch!isdnet!newsfeed.wirehub.nl!news.tele2.nl!newsfeed1.swip.net!swipnet!news.idt.net!netnews.com!ix.netcom.com!news Hi - just popped in for a bit... >Clairity wrote in message <2181-362A3B60-37@newsd-103.iap.bryant.webtv.net>... >Hi all! Question! When you astral travel is it necessary to know >EXACTLY where the person or place is located "person" - no... "place" - it helps. Most of the time I have a clue of where I am in relation to the physical. I must add here, though, if another person is also in a sleep state - they may not be anywhere near their physical body. Even if they are physically awake - their thoughts could be far away - where the thought is, so is the soul. Everybody does a form of "soul travel" - at any given time during the day. My most intense meetings with others tended to be in places THEY were thinking of at the time - not where I expected them to be. However - in some cases the two coincided. As far as finding specific locations in the physical - I seem to need a lot more practice. Even with directions and knowing exact locations and pushing myself to the extreme - I still fall short of the goal. I may get close, but I seem to be blocked from the final destination. There was one time when Jean was visiting one of the targets and described seeing someone flying at high speed and smacking into the side of the target structure - becoming disoriented. At about the same time, I was flying at high speed - frantically trying to get to the target - but I kept smacking into buildings and getting distracted. Perhaps I had already reached the target, but didn't recognize it... interesting thought... >I'm wondering if the reason that I couldn't get to the native american >village I was trying to reach was that I wasn't specific enough in my >request. Perhaps I should have also stated the city/state/ country of >the village I wanted to go to. Perhaps it would have been helpful to >even have looked at a picture of the village before the attempt. I'm sure it would have been helpful to have looked at a picture of it. It might have been even more helpful to have immersed yourself into a vision of what it would be like to walk around in that picture before making the attempt. A meditation of sorts. >For those who astral travel to meet others or to reach certain >destinations, exactly how, or what, do you do to get there? I doubt I really qualify to answer your question - but I have made many attempts with some interesting results. One found me flying over the ocean toward England (my target was a person in England). I suddenly felt myself sitting comfortably in a round chair as I flew over the water. I gradually felt the chair was 'green' in color and it slowly wrapped around me like a cloth. I told my target person about this. She said that at about that time she was sitting in the type of chair I described (which I did not know existed at her house as I had never been there or seen pictures of it or heard a description of it) and she was wearing a green shirt. I've had success like this with only a few other people. First, they have to be open to the possibility in order to verify any possible hits. Second - you really need to concentrate on them. Focus on every aspect of them that you can think of. It REALLY helps if you have a strong attraction to them, and they toward you - because that seems to open the doors. In other words, in most cases, a relative will not be a good target unless they are in deep trouble or you otherwise have a powerful need to be there for them. The best target is someone who has a deep interest and an immediate concern for you. This seems to form a link. I've never directly hit a target suggested by the folks of this group. But I've hit other targets that were very important to me. I just can't seem to make the suggested targets something that is part of my "heartfelt" goal. I try very hard - but I have no emotional ties to them - so there is a type of wall or blockage that stops me from getting there. Personal problem, I guess ;-) Bart ###### From: "Richard" Newsgroups: alt.out-of-body Subject: Re: Does Astral travel require *directions*? Date: Wed, 21 Oct 1998 17:52:54 -0700 Organization: http://www.supernews.com, The World's Usenet: Discussions Start Here Lines: 55 Message-ID: <70lvqs$i60$1@supernews.com> References: <2181-362A3B60-37@newsd-103.iap.bryant.webtv.net> <70ji91$7jc@dfw-ixnews7.ix.netcom.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: 207.48.95.138 X-Trace: 909017756 I0G4.QBCE5F8ACF30C usenet53.supernews.com X-Complaints-To: newsabuse@supernews.com X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.3110.1 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.3110.3 Path: chonsp.franklin.ch!pfaff.ethz.ch!news-zh.switch.ch!news.belnet.be!news-raspail.gip.net!news-peer.gip.net!news.gsl.net!gip.net!cpk-news-hub1.bbnplanet.com!news.bbnplanet.com!Supernews73!supernews.com!Supernews69!not-for-mail Bart wrote in message <70ji91$7jc@dfw-ixnews7.ix.netcom.com>... >Hi - just popped in for a bit... > > Second - you really need to concentrate on them. Focus on every aspect of >them that you can think of. It REALLY helps if you have a strong attraction >to them, and they toward you - because that seems to open the doors. In >other words, in most cases, a relative will not be a good target unless they >are in deep trouble or you otherwise have a powerful need to be there for >them. The best target is someone who has a deep interest and an immediate >concern for you. This seems to form a link. > >I've never directly hit a target suggested by the folks of this group. But >I've hit other targets that were very important to me. I just can't seem to >make the suggested targets something that is part of my "heartfelt" goal. I >try very hard - but I have no emotional ties to them - so there is a type of >wall or blockage that stops me from getting there. Personal problem, I >guess ;-) > >Bart > > Hey Bart. . . Nice to see you back again. When you project to a target person (or anyone else projects , for that matter) , have you ever run into the situation where you had to stop and ask for directions? This seems different compared to my past experiences, but recently I have been able to get just so far. Then I meet a person who seems to greet me as if they expected me to be there. I ask if they can direct me to "whoever" my target is. They then touch me and guide me through a nearby door, or they might take my hand. Now before this point it just seems like a typical OOBE. When the guides touch me, my perception immediately increases. It is as is I shift to a new super-lucid state where things seem almost too real compared to any other known place. I go where I am directed, and I see the target person. -- RBWalton Visit this web page for some useful OOB links. . . www.angelfire.com/ca/onestepbeyond/ To respond, delete #nospam# rbwalton@#nospam#outrageous.net > > ###### From: Ken S. Newsgroups: alt.out-of-body Subject: Re: Does Astral travel require *directions*? Date: 21 Oct 1998 18:27:20 PDT Organization: Concentric Internet Services Lines: 15 Message-ID: <362e89b2.753900@news.ke9nr.org> References: <2181-362A3B60-37@newsd-103.iap.bryant.webtv.net> <70ji91$7jc@dfw-ixnews7.ix.netcom.com> <70lvqs$i60$1@supernews.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: ts002d13.las-nv.concentric.net Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Newsreader: Forte Agent 1.5/16.451 Path: chonsp.franklin.ch!pfaff.ethz.ch!news-zh.switch.ch!news-ge.switch.ch!news.maxwell.syr.edu!newsfeed.direct.ca!newsfeed.concentric.net!207.155.183.80.MISMATCH!global-news-master Hi Richard - On Wed, 21 Oct 1998 17:52:54 -0700, "Richard" wrote: >Hey Bart. . . Nice to see you back again. >When you project to a target person (or anyone else projects , for that >matter) , have you ever run into the situation where you had to stop and > ask for directions? He's a man and you're wondering about him stopping to ask for directions???? The Other Ken http://www.ke9nr.org/ ###### From: "Bart" Newsgroups: alt.out-of-body Subject: Re: Does Astral travel require *directions*? Date: Wed, 21 Oct 1998 22:44:04 -0400 Organization: ICGNetcom Lines: 56 Message-ID: <70m6d9$sqh@dfw-ixnews6.ix.netcom.com> References: <2181-362A3B60-37@newsd-103.iap.bryant.webtv.net> <70ji91$7jc@dfw-ixnews7.ix.netcom.com> <70lvqs$i60$1@supernews.com> <362e89b2.753900@news.ke9nr.org> NNTP-Posting-Host: clv-oh39-46.ix.netcom.com X-NETCOM-Date: Wed Oct 21 9:48:09 PM CDT 1998 X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.3110.1 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.3110.3 Path: chonsp.franklin.ch!pfaff.ethz.ch!news-zh.switch.ch!news.belnet.be!news-raspail.gip.net!news-peer.gip.net!news.gsl.net!gip.net!ix.netcom.com!news Ken S. wrote in message <362e89b2.753900@news.ke9nr.org>... >Hi Richard - > >On Wed, 21 Oct 1998 17:52:54 -0700, "Richard" > wrote: > >>Hey Bart. . . Nice to see you back again. >>When you project to a target person (or anyone else projects , for that >>matter) , have you ever run into the situation where you had to stop and >> ask for directions? > >He's a man and you're wondering about him stopping to ask for >directions???? HA!!!! Good one Ken. I'm glad I read yours before I responded to Richard's because, as you might note below, I don't always follow directions from the proper sources. Not that yours has no merit, Richard - I found your post very interesting. As a matter of fact - I do sometimes ask directions. It's a little thing I try now and then. Not always fruitful, but sometimes interesting. It has helped on occasion. When I was slamming into buildings on my way to the Sphynx, I wound up in some guy's apartment and he gave me a lecture on ancient history instead of telling me how to get to the Sphynx. There have been a number of times I approached 'entities' with questions. Finding the right one to approach is not always easy for me. But, then again... I'm right handed ;-) I use to try a little experiment of going around and asking for the next lottery numbers. A few here may remember me talking of this some time back. Again, some interesting hits - but not exceptionally accurate. Yet - during my most exact hits, I did not stop and ask for directions. I did, however, beg for help from 'Spirit' as I flew - and received it. These were very personal experiences. Very deep personal needs... I don't make that type of request unless it is an incredibly serious situation. And, yes, Richard - it IS a very clear and exceedingly intense experience when the REAL help comes through. The average OBE or LD pales in comparison. There is something stuck in my head about 'not putting God to the test'. So I don't test 'Spirit', I just try to get more familiar with It on most of my trips so that maybe one day the needs may never again be so desperate... Sounds weird, I know - but it makes sense to me. So I'll just keep banging into walls and getting faulty info from those I ask directions from until I get my own act together. :-) I think this is what I need to do. For me, at least, it is a gradual advance in an effort to stay balanced as I make improvements on myself. Others are much farther along than I. Bart ###### From: "Bart" Newsgroups: alt.out-of-body Subject: Re: Does Astral travel require *directions*? Date: Thu, 22 Oct 1998 00:30:45 -0400 Organization: ICGNetcom Lines: 41 Message-ID: <70mcl6$723@sjx-ixn6.ix.netcom.com> References: <2181-362A3B60-37@newsd-103.iap.bryant.webtv.net> <70ji91$7jc@dfw-ixnews7.ix.netcom.com> <70lvqs$i60$1@supernews.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: clv-oh39-05.ix.netcom.com X-NETCOM-Date: Wed Oct 21 9:34:46 PM PDT 1998 X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.3110.1 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.3110.3 Path: chonsp.franklin.ch!pfaff.ethz.ch!news-zh.switch.ch!news.belnet.be!news-raspail.gip.net!news-peer.gip.net!news.gsl.net!gip.net!ix.netcom.com!news Richard wrote in message <70lvqs$i60$1@supernews.com>... > >Bart wrote in message <70ji91$7jc@dfw-ixnews7.ix.netcom.com>... >>Hi - just popped in for a bit... >> > >> Second - you really need to concentrate on them. Focus on every aspect of >>them that you can think of. >Hey Bart. . . Nice to see you back again. Thanks. I reread your post. >This seems different compared to my past experiences, but >recently I have been able to get just so far. Then I meet a person who >seems to greet me as if they expected me to be there. I ask if they can >direct me to "whoever" my target is. They then touch me and guide me >through a nearby door, or they might take my hand. Now before this point it >just seems like a typical OOBE. When the guides touch me, my perception >immediately increases. It is as is I shift to a new super-lucid state where >things seem almost too real compared to any other known place. I go where I >am directed, and I see the target person. The type of experience you mention is very rare for me. The people I ask directions from are usually just 'passersby'. Perhaps someday it will be different. I'm looking forward to getting better guidance. It may have been offered in the past, but I just ignored it. I remember getting taps on the shoulder from behind that I just plain ignored. I'm trying not to do that so much anymore. It seems that 2-3 years ago I was open to a lot more help than I've been getting lately. Again - that may be my own choice. Bart ###### From: "Richard" Newsgroups: alt.out-of-body Subject: Re: Does Astral travel require *directions*? Date: Thu, 22 Oct 1998 17:58:16 -0700 Organization: http://www.supernews.com, The World's Usenet: Discussions Start Here Lines: 43 Message-ID: <70okao$8aa$2@supernews.com> References: <2181-362A3B60-37@newsd-103.iap.bryant.webtv.net> <70ji91$7jc@dfw-ixnews7.ix.netcom.com> <70lvqs$i60$1@supernews.com> <70mcl6$723@sjx-ixn6.ix.netcom.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: 207.48.95.52 X-Trace: 909104280 I0G4.QBCE5F34CF30C usenet53.supernews.com X-Complaints-To: newsabuse@supernews.com X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.3110.1 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.3110.3 Path: chonsp.franklin.ch!pfaff.ethz.ch!news-zh.switch.ch!news-ge.switch.ch!news.maxwell.syr.edu!newsfeed.direct.ca!Supernews73!supernews.com!Supernews69!not-for-mail Bart wrote in message <70mcl6$723@sjx-ixn6.ix.netcom.com>... > >Richard wrote in message <70lvqs$i60$1@supernews.com>... >> >>Bart wrote in message <70ji91$7jc@dfw-ixnews7.ix.netcom.com>... >>>Hi - just popped in for a bit... >>> >>The type of experience you mention is very rare for me. The people I ask >directions from are usually just 'passersby'. Perhaps someday it will be >different. I'm looking forward to getting better guidance. It may have >been offered in the past, but I just ignored it. I remember getting taps on >the shoulder from behind that I just plain ignored. I'm trying not to do >that so much anymore. It seems that 2-3 years ago I was open to a lot more >help than I've been getting lately. Again - that may be my own choice. > >Bart > Bart and the other Ken. . . (By the way Ken, I am also known as N6WII in my other life) I knew someone would make jokes about men asking for directions, but I did not think it would be another guy doing it. This type of experience is definitely on a different level than most of mine. That is one reason it is always so hard to describe what this OOB experience is like to a newby. . . They are all different, but the same. How is that for being vague? -- RBWalton Visit this web page for some useful OOB links. . . www.angelfire.com/ca/onestepbeyond/ To respond, delete #nospam# rbwalton@#nospam#outrageous.net > ###### From: Ken S. Newsgroups: alt.out-of-body Subject: Re: Does Astral travel require *directions*? Date: 22 Oct 1998 19:21:40 PDT Organization: Concentric Internet Services Lines: 19 Message-ID: <362fe7b9.1562286@news.ke9nr.org> References: <2181-362A3B60-37@newsd-103.iap.bryant.webtv.net> <70ji91$7jc@dfw-ixnews7.ix.netcom.com> <70lvqs$i60$1@supernews.com> <70mcl6$723@sjx-ixn6.ix.netcom.com> <70okao$8aa$2@supernews.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: ts006d33.las-nv.concentric.net Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Newsreader: Forte Agent 1.5/16.451 Path: chonsp.franklin.ch!pfaff.ethz.ch!news-zh.switch.ch!news-ge.switch.ch!news.maxwell.syr.edu!newsfeed.wli.net!su-news-hub1.bbnplanet.com!news.gtei.net!newsfeed.concentric.net!207.155.183.80.MISMATCH!global-news-master Hi Richard - On Thu, 22 Oct 1998 17:58:16 -0700, "Richard" wrote: >(By the way Ken, I am also known as N6WII in my other life) Hey, all right! Another ham in the ng! >I knew someone would make jokes about men asking for directions, but I did >not think it would be another guy doing it. Hey, if we poke fun at ourselves, that takes all the sting out of the women doing it! 73 de Ken, KE9NR/7 The Other Ken http://www.ke9nr.org/ ###### Message-ID: <36302325.54DD@hotmail.com> Date: Thu, 22 Oct 1998 23:33:09 -0700 From: Jennifer Spengler {wooble} Reply-To: midigal@hotmail.com Organization: I'm not organized at all, thank you. X-Mailer: Mozilla 3.04 (Win16; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 Newsgroups: alt.out-of-body Subject: Re: Does Astral travel require *directions*? References: <2181-362A3B60-37@newsd-103.iap.bryant.webtv.net> <70ji91$7jc@dfw-ixnews7.ix.netcom.com> <70lvqs$i60$1@supernews.com> <70mcl6$723@sjx-ixn6.ix.netcom.com> <70okao$8aa$2@supernews.com> <362fe7b9.1562286@news.ke9nr.org> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit NNTP-Posting-Host: computone5a.i-america.net Lines: 25 Path: chonsp.franklin.ch!pfaff.ethz.ch!news-zh.switch.ch!news.belnet.be!news-raspail.gip.net!news-peer.gip.net!news.gsl.net!gip.net!newspeer.monmouth.com!news.lightlink.com!news4.his.com!computone5a.i-america.net Ken S. wrote: > > Hi Richard - > > On Thu, 22 Oct 1998 17:58:16 -0700, "Richard" > wrote: > > >(By the way Ken, I am also known as N6WII in my other life) > > Hey, all right! Another ham in the ng! > > >I knew someone would make jokes about men asking for directions, but I did > >not think it would be another guy doing it. > > Hey, if we poke fun at ourselves, that takes all the sting out of the > women doing it! Ooh, darn, the men are *on* to us!!!! Women, we need new strategies! =P ~Jen -- * Knowledge may be power, but ignorance is bliss. * * --Jennifer Spengler =P * * http://www.i-america.net/homepages/hally2000/ * * Both Sides Of the Mood** * ###### From: "Richard" Newsgroups: alt.out-of-body Subject: Re: Does Astral travel require *directions*? Date: Fri, 23 Oct 1998 17:22:11 -0700 Organization: http://www.supernews.com, The World's Usenet: Discussions Start Here Lines: 45 Message-ID: <70racf$l5n$1@supernews.com> References: <2181-362A3B60-37@newsd-103.iap.bryant.webtv.net> <70ji91$7jc@dfw-ixnews7.ix.netcom.com> <70lvqs$i60$1@supernews.com> <70mcl6$723@sjx-ixn6.ix.netcom.com> <70okao$8aa$2@supernews.com> <362fe7b9.1562286@news.ke9nr.org> <36302325.54DD@hotmail.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: 207.48.95.117 X-Trace: 909192399 I0G4.QBCE5F75CF30C usenet76.supernews.com X-Complaints-To: newsabuse@supernews.com X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.3110.1 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.3110.3 Path: chonsp.franklin.ch!pfaff.ethz.ch!news-zh.switch.ch!news-ge.switch.ch!news.maxwell.syr.edu!newsfeed.berkeley.edu!Supernews73!supernews.com!Supernews69!not-for-mail Yep . . . we are on to you more than you know. We only pretend to not understand. . . just like we pretend to know where we are going. . . . -- RBWalton Visit this web page for some useful OOB links. . . www.angelfire.com/ca/onestepbeyond/ To respond, delete #nospam# rbwalton@#nospam#outrageous.net Jennifer Spengler {wooble} wrote in message <36302325.54DD@hotmail.com>... >Ken S. wrote: >> >> Hi Richard - >> >> On Thu, 22 Oct 1998 17:58:16 -0700, "Richard" >> wrote: >> >> >(By the way Ken, I am also known as N6WII in my other life) >> >> Hey, all right! Another ham in the ng! >> >> >I knew someone would make jokes about men asking for directions, but I did >> >not think it would be another guy doing it. >> >> Hey, if we poke fun at ourselves, that takes all the sting out of the >> women doing it! > >Ooh, darn, the men are *on* to us!!!! Women, we need new strategies! =P > >~Jen >-- >* Knowledge may be power, but ignorance is bliss. * >* --Jennifer Spengler =P * >* http://www.i-america.net/homepages/hally2000/ * >* Both Sides Of the Mood** *