From: spicyjem@aol.com (Spicy Jem) Newsgroups: alt.out-of-body Subject: Exit without vibrations? Lines: 16 NNTP-Posting-Host: ladder02.news.aol.com X-Admin: news@aol.com Date: 16 Oct 1998 00:33:48 GMT Organization: AOL http://www.aol.com Message-ID: <19981015203348.05266.00000949@ng-fc1.aol.com> Path: chonsp.franklin.ch!pfaff.ethz.ch!news-zh.switch.ch!news-ge.switch.ch!news.maxwell.syr.edu!newsfeed.cwix.com!152.163.199.19!portc03.blue.aol.com!audrey03.news.aol.com!not-for-mail Hello all, I know that this is possible, but I want to get a feel from all of you regarding this. How many of you actually try to separate from the physical WITHOUT the feel for vibrations? You know, many times when I am completely relaxed, I think that if I try and move my arms, I may move my astral arms....the only thing this accomplishes for me is the return of consciousness to my physical arms. Since I have only been OOB once, and this was with the vibrations, I am looking for those same vibrations again to help me reproduce the projection. But from what I have read, I think some of you actually move OOB without the vibrations. Anyone like to comment? ********** <3 Jeff Mash <3 spicyjem@aol.com Need a laugh? Go to www.vertigy.com/jokemail ###### Message-ID: <36278216.9BF6CB75@pop.slkc.uswest.net> Date: Fri, 16 Oct 1998 10:27:51 -0700 From: Beth Reply-To: oberoberts@uswest.net X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.04 [en] (Win95; U) MIME-Version: 1.0 Newsgroups: alt.out-of-body Subject: Re: Exit without vibrations? References: <19981015203348.05266.00000949@ng-fc1.aol.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit NNTP-Posting-Host: 207.224.201.206 X-Trace: 16 Oct 1998 11:50:01 +0500, 207.224.201.206 Lines: 26 X-Report: Report abuse to abuse@uswest.net. Path: chonsp.franklin.ch!pfaff.ethz.ch!news-zh.switch.ch!news.belnet.be!news-raspail.gip.net!news-peer.gip.net!news.gsl.net!gip.net!logbridge.uoregon.edu!su-news-hub1.bbnplanet.com!su-news-feed4.bbnplanet.com!news.bbnplanet.com!newsfeed1.uswest.net!news1.uswest.net!207.224.201.206 Spicy Jem wrote: > Hello all, > I know that this is possible, but I want to get a feel from all of you > regarding this. How many of you actually try to separate from the physical > WITHOUT the feel for vibrations? You know, many times when I am completely > relaxed, I think that if I try and move my arms, I may move my astral > arms....the only thing this accomplishes for me is the return of consciousness > to my physical arms. Since I have only been OOB once, and this was with the > vibrations, I am looking for those same vibrations again to help me reproduce > the projection. But from what I have read, I think some of you actually move > OOB without the vibrations. Anyone like to comment? > Well, I guess I am one of those that OOBE without vibrations. I have had the vibrations a couple of times, but I usually don't have them when I leave. I believe that each persons experience is unique, so play around with it, you will find what works best for you. Beth ###### From: spicyjem@aol.comAstral4U (Spicy Jem) Newsgroups: alt.out-of-body Subject: Re: Exit without vibrations? Lines: 19 NNTP-Posting-Host: ladder02.news.aol.com X-Admin: news@aol.com Date: 16 Oct 1998 21:48:45 GMT Organization: AOL http://www.aol.com References: <36278216.9BF6CB75@pop.slkc.uswest.net> Message-ID: <19981016174845.09878.00001470@ng24.aol.com> Path: chonsp.franklin.ch!pfaff.ethz.ch!news-zh.switch.ch!news-ge.switch.ch!newscore.univie.ac.at!europa.clark.net!208.134.241.18!newsfeed.cwix.com!152.163.199.19!portc03.blue.aol.com!audrey03.news.aol.com!not-for-mail >Well, I guess I am one of those that OOBE without vibrations. I have had the >vibrations a couple of times, but I usually don't have them when I leave. I >believe that each persons experience is unique, so play around with it, you >will >find what works best for you. Beth, Well, since I just had my second OOBE, I know have a point of reference when I say this. So far, the vibrations haven't been violent, like some people have reported them to be. Granted, it depends on the person, but mine have been almost a numb feeling, which feels like vibrations, but more of a pulsing numbness. Thanks for the feedback! ********** <3 Jeff Mash <3 spicyjem@aol.com Need a laugh? Go to www.vertigy.com/jokemail ###### Message-ID: <3627C4B9.91CDB095@the.end.of.the.message> Date: Sat, 17 Oct 1998 08:12:09 +1000 From: Craig Organization: Deja Vous X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.05 [en] (Win95; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 Newsgroups: alt.out-of-body Subject: Re: Exit without vibrations? References: <19981015203348.05266.00000949@ng-fc1.aol.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit NNTP-Posting-Host: 203.18.28.42 X-Trace: 17 Oct 1998 09:16:02 +1000, 203.18.28.42 Lines: 40 Path: chonsp.franklin.ch!pfaff.ethz.ch!news-zh.switch.ch!news-ge.switch.ch!news.maxwell.syr.edu!newsfeed.xcom.net!news.shore.net!uunet!in1.uu.net!nap-ns1!203.18.28.42 Spicy Jem wrote: > > Hello all, > I know that this is possible, but I want to get a feel from all of you > regarding this. How many of you actually try to separate from the physical > WITHOUT the feel for vibrations? You know, many times when I am completely > relaxed, I think that if I try and move my arms, I may move my astral > arms....the only thing this accomplishes for me is the return of consciousness > to my physical arms. Since I have only been OOB once, and this was with the > vibrations, I am looking for those same vibrations again to help me reproduce > the projection. But from what I have read, I think some of you actually move > OOB without the vibrations. Anyone like to comment? We need to get away from the thought that we NEED the vibrations to get OOB. I'm sure people will say they feel the vibrations every time they get out, myself being one of them, but that doesn't mean we need to feel them to be able to have an OBE. If you keep spending all your effort on trying to get the vibrations, you will gain nothing, IMHO. Focus on shifting your conscious more, getting into different states, if the vibrations come, they come, if they don't, don't think they have to. Anyway, from what I've been reading lately, alot of the vibrations that people are referring to don't seem to fit into the type of vibrations that I feel when I get OOB, or they come at what seems to be a much earlier stage than I get them. Not saying this is wrong, but don't think every little vibration you feel must be the vibrations, you know. I do feel a buzz or a fuzziness early on in my relaxation technique, and I'd hate to think people are focusing on this rather than moving on. All the best Craig -- The sure way to make a thing impossible- -is to think it so. --- Franklin To respond, delete _nospam_ scrappy@_nospam_netconnect.com.au -- ###### From: The Original Ken Newsgroups: alt.out-of-body Subject: Re: Exit without vibrations? Date: Fri, 16 Oct 1998 22:08:39 -0600 Organization: As disorganized as possible Lines: 100 Message-ID: <36281847.CA627A1E@privatei.com> References: <19981015203348.05266.00000949@ng-fc1.aol.com> <3627C4B9.91CDB095@the.end.of.the.message> NNTP-Posting-Host: pm1-ppp136-193.privatei.com Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.04 [en] (Win95; I) Path: chonsp.franklin.ch!pfaff.ethz.ch!news-zh.switch.ch!news.belnet.be!news-raspail.gip.net!news-peer.gip.net!news.gsl.net!gip.net!newsfeed.cwix.com!204.71.60.1!newsfeed.frii.net!beetle.privatei.com!not-for-mail Craig, I couldn't agree with you more and I've been wanting to say what you just expressed for some time. There really seems to be a lot of confusion about the vibrations, so I guess I'll do my part as well to help out. There are a lot of OBE hopefuls here that are trying to enter into a vibrational state by going to bed, relaxing, meditating into a trance, and waiting for vibes to come on to get to the shift. IMHO this simply will not work for you. There are some gifted people on this NG that can do such a thing, but these are gifted people. You and I are not, so you need to get past this. It is very unlikely that you will achieve what you are trying to achieve using this technique. The vibrations are a *result* of entering into a shift that will allow you to have an OBE. They are not a means to get there. My OBE's are always accompanied by vibrations, but I never conciously move toward the vibrations to exit. To have an OBE, you need to enter into a state that will allow a shift in consciousness to take place. This is not something that I can do from a meditative state as such. Instead it is something that occurs when it will occur. I can't predict it, and I can't will it to happen. All I can do is set the stage and when I am ripe, it happens. The key is to set the stage. This to me is the most important thing. For me, it is futile to try and have an OBE when I first go to bed. I have had a few OBEs at this time, but it is very rare for me. Instead I almost always have an OBE after I have had some sleep and wake up in the middle of the night or a few hours before dawn. Here is what happens: I wake up, usually with insomnia, sometimes I'll get out of bed and maybe sit around and think about things for awhile. When I'm ready to go back to bed I do so but with something on my mind and in a contemplative state. And then it happens. I'll close my eyes, with sleep as the intent, but instead something inside of me grows. I might get some strong imagery and my mind is usually very active. Suddenly, and usually without warning my consiousness shifts. This is when the vibrations come on. It can happen within a few minutes of going back to bed. It's a very strong, strange shift in awareness. I don't do anything to bring it on. No meditating, no relaxing, nothing like that. A shift occurs and it's right there in front of me. At this time the vibrations occur. Sometimes the vibrations are very strong and linger in which case I need to do a little bit of mental menuvering to move in the right direction, other times there is no effort at all involved and it's easier. But the whole event seems to take place all on it's own. It just seems like "my time to OBE". Once it happens, it happens very quickly and I almost always catch my self saying "Alright, it's happening!" From here it's easy and then I move to an OBE. The event to look for and to try to get to is that strange state that is an awareness somewhere between normal awareness and that extra-ordinary awareness that leads to the vibrations. Don't go for the vibes, instead go for that shift in awareness. This is what you are trying to achive. I know this is very difficult for someone who has not been there to understand and I'm sorry I can't explain it better. Perhaps in another post I can come up with something more useful. I wish you all the best in your efforts. Ken Craig wrote: > > Spicy Jem wrote: > > > > Hello all, > > I know that this is possible, but I want to get a feel from all of you > > regarding this. How many of you actually try to separate from the physical > > WITHOUT the feel for vibrations? You know, many times when I am completely > > relaxed, I think that if I try and move my arms, I may move my astral > > arms....the only thing this accomplishes for me is the return of consciousness > > to my physical arms. Since I have only been OOB once, and this was with the > > vibrations, I am looking for those same vibrations again to help me reproduce > > the projection. But from what I have read, I think some of you actually move > > OOB without the vibrations. Anyone like to comment? > > We need to get away from the thought that we NEED the vibrations to get > OOB. I'm sure people will say they feel the vibrations every time they > get out, myself being one of them, but that doesn't mean we need to feel > them to be able to have an OBE. If you keep spending all your effort on > trying to get the vibrations, you will gain nothing, IMHO. Focus on > shifting your conscious more, getting into different states, if the > vibrations come, they come, if they don't, don't think they have to. > Anyway, from what I've been reading lately, alot of the vibrations that > people are referring to don't seem to fit into the type of vibrations > that I feel when I get OOB, or they come at what seems to be a much > earlier stage than I get them. Not saying this is wrong, but don't think > every little vibration you feel must be the vibrations, you know. I do > feel a buzz or a fuzziness early on in my relaxation technique, and I'd > hate to think people are focusing on this rather than moving on. > > All the best > Craig > > -- > The sure way to make a thing impossible- > -is to think it so. --- Franklin > > To respond, delete _nospam_ > scrappy@_nospam_netconnect.com.au > -- ###### From: spicyjem@aol.comAstral4U (Spicy Jem) Newsgroups: alt.out-of-body Subject: Re: Exit without vibrations? Lines: 15 NNTP-Posting-Host: ladder02.news.aol.com X-Admin: news@aol.com Date: 17 Oct 1998 04:33:06 GMT Organization: AOL http://www.aol.com References: <36281847.CA627A1E@privatei.com> Message-ID: <19981017003306.03706.00001631@ng-fc2.aol.com> Path: chonsp.franklin.ch!pfaff.ethz.ch!news-zh.switch.ch!news.belnet.be!news-raspail.gip.net!news-peer.gip.net!news.gsl.net!gip.net!cpk-news-hub1.bbnplanet.com!news.bbnplanet.com!portc02.blue.aol.com!audrey03.news.aol.com!not-for-mail Ken, Very informative post about the vibrations...I couldn't have said it better. Just out of curiousity, how often would you say that you are ripe to have an OOBE? I mean, we sleep every night, and some of us take frequent naps, so with that in mind, do you find that you have a 50% chance of projecting during these resting periods? I am sorry to turn this into something statistical. Perhaps it's my analytical mind getting the better of me. But when I hear of more experienced people having OOBE's more frequently, it encourages me to push forward to that place and position as well! Thanks! ********** <3 Jeff Mash <3 spicyjem@aol.com Need a laugh? Go to www.vertigy.com/jokemail ###### From: John Chilton Newsgroups: alt.out-of-body Subject: Re: Exit without vibrations? Date: Sat, 17 Oct 1998 08:15:26 +0000 Organization: Psi Search Lines: 13 Message-ID: <3628521E.FC21585C@freewwweb.com> References: <19981015203348.05266.00000949@ng-fc1.aol.com> <3627C4B9.91CDB095@the.end.of.the.message> <36281847.CA627A1E@privatei.com> Reply-To: jchil@freewwweb.com NNTP-Posting-Host: ppp-40.tc-1.buf.smartworld.net Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.04 [en] (Win95; U) To: The Original Ken Path: chonsp.franklin.ch!pfaff.ethz.ch!news-zh.switch.ch!news-ge.switch.ch!news.maxwell.syr.edu!cpk-news-hub1.bbnplanet.com!cam-news-feed3.bbnplanet.com!news.bbnplanet.com!news.smart1.net!not-for-mail Ken, That was an insightful piece regarding the vibes. I agree on that for the most part. Taking the critical factor to a very relaxed state, focused but relaxed is the trick for me also. As you say the vibes may play or they may not. Have you ever tried to push the vibes? I have and it usually leads to a dramatic, almost explosive exit, high speed that is, not very organized but exciting in some respects. Pushing them gently can be cool but as a rule just letting them run their course serves. I think they serve best as a point of reference for the person alerting them to the fact they are in transition. John ###### From: The Original Ken Newsgroups: alt.out-of-body Subject: Re: Exit without vibrations? Date: Mon, 19 Oct 1998 21:40:19 -0600 Organization: As disorganized as possible Lines: 88 Message-ID: <362C0623.3C7360CE@privatei.com> References: <19981015203348.05266.00000949@ng-fc1.aol.com> <3627C4B9.91CDB095@the.end.of.the.message> <36281847.CA627A1E@privatei.com> <3628521E.FC21585C@freewwweb.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: pm1-ppp136-193.privatei.com Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.04 [en] (Win95; I) Path: chonsp.franklin.ch!pfaff.ethz.ch!news-zh.switch.ch!news.belnet.be!news-raspail.gip.net!news-peer.gip.net!news.gsl.net!gip.net!newsfeed.berkeley.edu!su-news-hub1.bbnplanet.com!su-news-feed1.bbnplanet.com!news.bbnplanet.com!pulsar.dimensional.com!dimensional.com!beetle.privatei.com!not-for-mail Hi John, John Chilton wrote: > > Ken, That was an insightful piece regarding the vibes. Thanks. > I agree on that for the most > part. > Taking the critical factor to a very relaxed state, focused but relaxed is the trick > for me also. As you say the vibes may play or they may not. > Have you ever tried to push the vibes? I have and it usually leads to a dramatic, > almost explosive exit, high speed that is, not very organized but exciting in some > respects. Pushing them gently can be cool but as a rule just letting them run their > course serves. I think they serve best as a point of reference for the person > alerting them to the fact they are in transition. > John No, I've never had such an experience. I know quite often I will tease the vibrations into a particular mental direction to make them stronger only for the purpose of reaching a point where they are strong enough that I can feel I won't have any trouble separating. If I try and separate too soon I am defeated and I end up not having an OBE at all or I need to start from scrath. Other times I am confident that the vibes are quite strong right from the get go and during times like that I don't mess with it, I just separate. It seems the post from Spicy Jem got removed so I'll answer it here. Ken, Very informative post about the vibrations...I couldn't have said it better. Thanks. Just out of curiousity, how often would you say that you are ripe to have an OOBE? Hey Dude, I OBE every night!!!! Hahahaha. Just kidding of course. Don't I wish. Actually I consider myself having a pretty active month if I can have 3 decent OBE's a month. Usually I have to settle for maybe one long (>1 hr) or 1 or 2 short (~10min) a month. I'm pretty happy with that. Hell I've been doing it for so long that any more than that and I'd really have a twisted brain. Now you did ask how often I felt I was ripe and I guess I didn't really answer your question. If you mean how many times do I feel like I'm going to have an OBE and either do or don't then I guess I'd have to say that if I feel really strongly that I'm going to have an OBE in a particular night because I just feel it coming on from a distance, then my sucess rate is pretty good. Probably at least half the time, maybe 2 out of 3. Although I must also say that on occasion (recently it seems) I'll know I'm ripe for an OBE for *days* and 3 or 4 or 5 days will go by and nothing will happen which just blows me away makes me crazy and then finally I'll cut loose and escape. If I go that long though then it's always a good one. A nice one or two hour trip and usually very satisfying (and exhausting). I mean, we sleep every night, and some of us take frequent naps, so with that in mind, do you find that you have a 50% chance of projecting during these resting periods? Oh heavens no! I take a few naps a week and used to find they were an excellent time to OBE, but that doesn't happen for me anymore and I don't know why. I sleep 30 nights a month and maybe 10 naps a month but I only have 1-3 OBE's a month. So you do the math. But I do suggest frequent naps for the OBE hopeful since there is something strange about naps that is very good for OBE success. I am sorry to turn this into something statistical. Perhaps it's my analytical mind getting the better of me. But when I hear of more experienced people having OOBE's more frequently, it encourages me to push forward to that place and position as well! I would say gifted people have OBE's more frequently, but experienced people are still ruled by the laws of chance. Thanks! ********** <3 Jeff Mash <3 spicyjem@aol.com Sure Ken