From: frdpd@hotmail.com Newsgroups: alt.out-of-body Subject: blacklights, tiedye, spiral posters Date: Thu, 01 Oct 1998 20:47:20 GMT Organization: Deja News - The Leader in Internet Discussion Lines: 13 Message-ID: <6v0pon$m6p$1@nnrp1.dejanews.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: 204.116.246.165 X-Article-Creation-Date: Thu Oct 01 20:47:20 1998 GMT X-Http-User-Agent: Mozilla/4.06 [en] (Win95; I) X-Http-Proxy: 1.0 x7.dejanews.com:80 (Squid/1.1.22) for client 204.116.246.165 Path: chonsp.franklin.ch!pfaff.ethz.ch!news-zh.switch.ch!news.belnet.be!newsgate.cistron.nl!het.net!news-feed.inet.tele.dk!bofh.vszbr.cz!newspeer.monmouth.com!nntp2.dejanews.com!nnrp1.dejanews.com!not-for-mail We have seen all these strange things at stores. The blacklights, tiedye, the big black and white spiral posters, or the psychedelic image on the poster, the lava lamps, newage music, you know the stuff. Does this stuff have any significant effect on states of concousness(trance induction) or is it some drug culture thing where stoners eyes will not hurt so much in the blacklight environment when they happen to be very dilated, or the big trippy poster on the wall gives their high some kind of added illusion. your friend Louis -----------== Posted via Deja News, The Discussion Network ==---------- http://www.dejanews.com/ Search, Read, Discuss, or Start Your Own ###### From: "Richard" Newsgroups: alt.out-of-body Subject: Re: blacklights, tiedye, spiral posters Date: Thu, 1 Oct 1998 16:19:50 -0700 Organization: http://www.supernews.com, The World's Usenet: Discussions Start Here Lines: 36 Message-ID: <6v1bkj$pr0$1@supernews.com> References: <6v0pon$m6p$1@nnrp1.dejanews.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: 207.48.95.17 X-Trace: 907293139 I0G4.QBCE5F11CF30C usenet87.supernews.com X-Complaints-To: newsabuse@supernews.com X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.3110.1 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.3110.3 Path: chonsp.franklin.ch!pfaff.ethz.ch!news-zh.switch.ch!news-ge.switch.ch!newscore.univie.ac.at!europa.clark.net!209.144.204.114!newsfeed.corridex.com!Supernews73!supernews.com!Supernews69!not-for-mail frdpd@hotmail.com wrote in message <6v0pon$m6p$1@nnrp1.dejanews.com>... >We have seen all these strange things at stores. The blacklights, tiedye, the >big black and white spiral posters, or the psychedelic image on the poster, >the lava lamps, newage music, you know the stuff. Does this stuff have any >significant effect on states of concousness(trance induction) or is it some >drug culture thing where stoners eyes will not hurt so much in the blacklight >environment when they happen to be very dilated, or the big trippy poster on >the wall gives their high some kind of added illusion. > >your friend >Louis > >-----------== Posted via Deja News, The Discussion Network ==---------- >http://www.dejanews.com/ Search, Read, Discuss, or Start Your Own I think it was the drug culture expressing itself. Those who I knew (other experiences may vary) who were heavy into drugs could not have cared less about spiritual growth. Of course they were not the ones buying the drug culture art and lava lamps either. All of their money and time went to drugs. Only my opinion. . . -- RBWalton Visit this web page for some useful OOB links. . . www.angelfire.com/ca/onestepbeyond/ To respond, delete #nospam# rbwalton@#nospam#outrageous.net ###### Message-ID: <361697F7.483001DA@the.end.of.the.message> Date: Sun, 04 Oct 1998 07:32:39 +1000 From: Craig Organization: Deja Vous X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.05 [en] (Win95; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 Newsgroups: alt.out-of-body Subject: Re: blacklights, tiedye, spiral posters References: <6v0pon$m6p$1@nnrp1.dejanews.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit NNTP-Posting-Host: 203.18.28.45 X-Trace: 4 Oct 1998 10:37:07 +1000, 203.18.28.45 Lines: 32 Path: chonsp.franklin.ch!pfaff.ethz.ch!news-zh.switch.ch!news.belnet.be!news-raspail.gip.net!news-peer.gip.net!news.gsl.net!gip.net!cpk-news-hub1.bbnplanet.com!news.bbnplanet.com!netnews.com!news-b.ais.net!ais.net!news.ais.net!ameritech.net!uunet!uunet!in3.uu.net!nap-ns1!203.18.28.45 Hi Louis. > We have seen all these strange things at stores. The blacklights, tiedye, the > big black and white spiral posters, or the psychedelic image on the poster, > the lava lamps, newage music, you know the stuff. Does this stuff have any > significant effect on states of concousness(trance induction) or is it some > drug culture thing where stoners eyes will not hurt so much in the blacklight > environment when they happen to be very dilated, or the big trippy poster on > the wall gives their high some kind of added illusion. > I feel that some of these things, lava lamps - new age music - b/w spirals, do have an effect on our state of conscious, they tend to put as more into a meditate or relaxed state IMO. And what about Fractals and Mandelbrots? They seem to have a great deal of effect on my state of mind while I'm watching those. I don't hear to many mention them in relation to our subconscious state, but I have a feeling they may effect us a little more than we know. I was experimenting a while ago, watching fractals on the screen while listening to brainwave files, and I must admit, I found it easier to get into the sort of state prerequisite for an OBE than if I was just listening. :-) Dunno. Anyone else have any experiences with Fractals or Mandelbrots? All the best Craig -- The sure way to make a thing impossible- -is to think it so. --- Franklin To respond, delete _nospam_ scrappy@_nospam_netconnect.com.au -- ###### From: hawksmoor@dial.pipex.com (Julia Hawkes-Moore) Newsgroups: alt.out-of-body Subject: Re: blacklights, tiedye, spiral posters Date: Sun, 04 Oct 1998 10:25:51 GMT Organization: UUNET WorldCom server (post doesn't reflect views of UUNET WorldCom) Lines: 6 Message-ID: <36174ceb.59268908@news.dial.pipex.com> References: <6v0pon$m6p$1@nnrp1.dejanews.com> <361697F7.483001DA@the.end.of.the.message> NNTP-Posting-Host: aa152.du.pipex.com X-Newsreader: Forte Free Agent 1.1/16.230 Path: chonsp.franklin.ch!pfaff.ethz.ch!news-zh.switch.ch!news.belnet.be!newsgate.cistron.nl!het.net!news-feed.inet.tele.dk!bofh.vszbr.cz!newsfeed1.swip.net!swipnet!rill.news.pipex.net!pipex!bore.news.pipex.net!pipex!not-for-mail On Sun, 04 Oct 1998 07:32:39 +1000, Craig >Anyone else have any >experiences with Fractals or Mandelbrots? I like the Julia set myself. Julia. ###### Path: chonsp.franklin.ch!usenet From: Neil Franklin Newsgroups: alt.out-of-body Subject: Re: blacklights, tiedye, spiral posters Date: 04 Oct 1998 23:09:15 +0200 Organization: My own Private Self Lines: 44 Message-ID: References: <6v0pon$m6p$1@nnrp1.dejanews.com> <361697F7.483001DA@the.end.of.the.message> X-Newsreader: Gnus v5.3/Emacs 19.34 Craig writes: > > And what about Fractals > and Mandelbrots? They seem to have a great deal of effect on my state of > mind while I'm watching those. I don't hear to many mention them in > relation to our subconscious state, Of course one would have to first know whether many OBEers even have heard of Mandelbrots. Not everyone got so badly bitten by that bug that they 3 times upgraded their computer to calculate them faster, like I did (from 320x200 Pixels in 6 hours to 640x480 in 30 seconds). And then for many who do know them Mandelbrots are "an computer thing" while OBE is an natural thing. Perhaps prevents some from joining the two up. > but I have a feeling they may effect > us a little more than we know. And the known effects are allready large. 3 new computers... > I was experimenting a while ago, watching > fractals on the screen while listening to brainwave files, and I must > admit, I found it easier to get into the sort of state prerequisite for > an OBE than if I was just listening. :-) Halucinative effects they certainly have. Them filigrane shapes... > Dunno. Anyone else have any > experiences with Fractals or Mandelbrots? No OBE up to now, neither with or without. -- *** New home Addresses Mail and Web *** home: neil@franklin.ch.remove http://neil.franklin.ch/ work: franklin@arch.ethz.ch.remove http://caad.arch.ethz.ch/~franklin/ Microsoft is Software Communism, Fight for GNU Freedom! ###### Path: chonsp.franklin.ch!usenet From: Neil Franklin Newsgroups: alt.out-of-body Subject: Re: blacklights, tiedye, spiral posters Date: 04 Oct 1998 23:09:54 +0200 Organization: My own Private Self Lines: 16 Message-ID: References: <6v0pon$m6p$1@nnrp1.dejanews.com> <361697F7.483001DA@the.end.of.the.message> <36174ceb.59268908@news.dial.pipex.com> X-Newsreader: Gnus v5.3/Emacs 19.34 hawksmoor@dial.pipex.com (Julia Hawkes-Moore) writes: > > On Sun, 04 Oct 1998 07:32:39 +1000, Craig > >Anyone else have any > >experiences with Fractals or Mandelbrots? > > I like the Julia set myself. > Julia. :-) Chuckling... -- *** New home Addresses Mail and Web *** home: neil@franklin.ch.remove http://neil.franklin.ch/ work: franklin@arch.ethz.ch.remove http://caad.arch.ethz.ch/~franklin/ Microsoft is Software Communism, Fight for GNU Freedom! ###### From: ".Nisaba Merrieweather" Newsgroups: alt.out-of-body Subject: Re: blacklights, tiedye, spiral posters Date: 5 Oct 1998 11:25:25 GMT Organization: Terry Anthony Computers Lines: 37 Message-ID: <01bdf04d$0fcbbb80$LocalHost@default> References: <6v0pon$m6p$1@nnrp1.dejanews.com><361697F7.483001DA@the.end.of.the.message> NNTP-Posting-Host: 203.102.210.3 X-Trace: news.mel.aone.net.au 907586725 29225 203.102.210.3 (5 Oct 1998 11:25:25 GMT) NNTP-Posting-Date: 5 Oct 1998 11:25:25 GMT X-Newsreader: Microsoft Internet News 4.70.1161 Cache-Post-Path: slave.tac.com.au!unknown@diale72.gos.tac.com.au X-Cache: nntpcache 2.3.2.1 (see http://www.nntpcache.org/) Path: chonsp.franklin.ch!pfaff.ethz.ch!news-zh.switch.ch!news.belnet.be!news-raspail.gip.net!news-peer.gip.net!news.gsl.net!gip.net!howland.erols.net!feed1.news.rcn.net!rcn!nntp.giganews.com!uunet!in3.uu.net!news.mel.aone.net.au!newsfeed-in.aone.net.au!not-for-mail Hi there! Neil Franklin wrote in article ... > Craig writes: > > > > And what about Fractals > > and Mandelbrots? They seem to have a great deal of effect on my state of > > mind while I'm watching those. I don't hear to many mention them in > > relation to our subconscious state, > > Of course one would have to first know whether many OBEers even have > heard of Mandelbrots. Of course we have! I spent five years or so living with a pure mathematician (okay, so in impure mathematician!) and he educated me to some degree. I was a syso (ran a BBS) for much of that time, and we had a whole file area stuffed full of fractals and different Mandelbrot sets. (see, I even called it a "mandelbrot set, when neither of you mentioned the word "set"!) Quite a few screen-savers these days utilise the iodea of fractal developments. I have a cute little package called "Organioc art", much of which is not fractal, but some of which are. It's also configurable, and I edited out all the designs I don't like. I quite often just sit in front of a dormant computer watching colours and shapes writhing slowly on the screen, sinking into an inner reality that is not the outer reality. This is certainly a change of consciousness, and I know Eckists would consider it "soul travel" even though I wasn't scooting around my house whilst leaving my body in front of the monitor. -- .Nisaba Merrieweather nisaba@tac.com.au ###### Message-ID: <361941B1.880951C5@the.end.of.the.message> Date: Tue, 06 Oct 1998 08:01:21 +1000 From: Craig Organization: Deja Vous X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.05 [en] (Win95; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 Newsgroups: alt.out-of-body Subject: Re: blacklights, tiedye, spiral posters References: <6v0pon$m6p$1@nnrp1.dejanews.com> <361697F7.483001DA@the.end.of.the.message> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit NNTP-Posting-Host: 203.18.28.46 X-Trace: 6 Oct 1998 09:57:03 +1000, 203.18.28.46 Lines: 46 Path: chonsp.franklin.ch!pfaff.ethz.ch!news-zh.switch.ch!news.belnet.be!isdnet!news-raspail.gip.net!news-peer.gip.net!news.gsl.net!gip.net!newsfeed.berkeley.edu!xmission!uunet!in3.uu.net!nap-ns1!203.18.28.46 Hi Neil > Of course one would have to first know whether many OBEers even have > heard of Mandelbrots. > > Not everyone got so badly bitten by that bug that they 3 times > upgraded their computer to calculate them faster, like I did (from > 320x200 Pixels in 6 hours to 640x480 in 30 seconds). Hmmmm, the good old days. ;-) Same with Pov-rays, I remember doing a couple of those on a 386sx. Tsk, tsk. Never again. > And then for many who do know them Mandelbrots are "an computer thing" > while OBE is an natural thing. Perhaps prevents some from joining the > two up. > And the known effects are allready large. 3 new computers... LOL > Halucinative effects they certainly have. Them filigrane shapes... Do you find you some how get drawn into the colourful patterns? I find I can't seem to take my eyes off them. > No OBE up to now, neither with or without. I remember playing around with a program called Fractint, or something like that a while ago. I would find a nice fractal pattern and just relax in my seat and become a part of it. I sat there looking into this one pattern for about 15 minutes and then went straight to bed and had an OBE. Dunno if it was related or not, but I get the feeling the patterns my alter our state of consciousness somehow. They are certainly calming if you come across a nice one. :-) All the best Craig -- The sure way to make a thing impossible- -is to think it so. --- Franklin To respond, delete _nospam_ scrappy@_nospam_netconnect.com.au -- ###### Message-ID: <36194326.696CBD43@the.end.of.the.message> Date: Tue, 06 Oct 1998 08:07:34 +1000 From: Craig Organization: Deja Vous X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.05 [en] (Win95; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 Newsgroups: alt.out-of-body Subject: Re: blacklights, tiedye, spiral posters References: <6v0pon$m6p$1@nnrp1.dejanews.com><361697F7.483001DA@the.end.of.the.message> <01bdf04d$0fcbbb80$LocalHost@default> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit NNTP-Posting-Host: 203.18.28.46 X-Trace: 6 Oct 1998 09:57:06 +1000, 203.18.28.46 Lines: 30 Path: chonsp.franklin.ch!pfaff.ethz.ch!news-zh.switch.ch!news.belnet.be!newsgate.cistron.nl!het.net!newsfeed.wirehub.nl!btnet-peer!btnet!newsfeed.cwix.com!209.95.128.196!news-nyc.telia.net!uunet!in3.uu.net!nap-ns1!203.18.28.46 Hi Nisaba > Quite a few screen-savers these days utilise the iodea of fractal > developments. I have a cute little package called "Organioc art", much of > which is not fractal, but some of which are. It's also configurable, and I > edited out all the designs I don't like. Yeah, I have a screen saver called 'Electric!' and it scrolls fractals at variable speeds and resolutions. It's great. :-) > I quite often just sit in front of > a dormant computer watching colours and shapes writhing slowly on the > screen, sinking into an inner reality that is not the outer reality. This > is certainly a change of consciousness, and I know Eckists would consider > it "soul travel" even though I wasn't scooting around my house whilst > leaving my body in front of the monitor. Oh good, I'm not the only one who feels this from them. :-) All the best Craig -- The sure way to make a thing impossible- -is to think it so. --- Franklin To respond, delete _nospam_ scrappy@_nospam_netconnect.com.au -- ###### Path: chonsp.franklin.ch!usenet From: Neil Franklin Newsgroups: alt.out-of-body Subject: Re: blacklights, tiedye, spiral posters Date: 07 Oct 1998 22:42:19 +0200 Organization: My own Private Self Lines: 58 Message-ID: References: <6v0pon$m6p$1@nnrp1.dejanews.com> <361697F7.483001DA@the.end.of.the.message> <361941B1.880951C5@the.end.of.the.message> X-Newsreader: Gnus v5.3/Emacs 19.34 Craig writes: > > > Not everyone got so badly bitten by that bug that they 3 times > > upgraded their computer to calculate them faster, like I did (from > > 320x200 Pixels in 6 hours to 640x480 in 30 seconds). > > Hmmmm, the good old days. ;-) Same with Pov-rays, I remember doing a > couple of those on a 386sx. Tsk, tsk. Never again. Painfully slow. Outch! > > Halucinative effects they certainly have. Them filigrane shapes... > > Do you find you some how get drawn into the colourful patterns? I find I > can't seem to take my eyes off them. That is what I was trying to say with "halucinative". I can go digging into them for hours. Those "flying into the stars" type screen savers are also good at this. On the NeXT I once had, one could have them as desktop background. Ideal to get lost into every so often. I wonder if I can get enough processor to do an "fly into fractint" as background. 4th computer upgrade... :-) > > No OBE up to now, neither with or without. > > I remember playing around with a program called Fractint, or something > like that a while ago. I would find a nice fractal pattern and just > relax in my seat and become a part of it. I sat there looking into this > one pattern for about 15 minutes and then went straight to bed and had > an OBE. Nice method. I will have to install fractint on this box. > Dunno if it was related or not, but I get the feeling the > patterns my alter our state of consciousness somehow. They are certainly > calming if you come across a nice one. :-) Sure. > The sure way to make a thing impossible- > -is to think it so. --- Franklin I agree with it, but I did not say it :-) -- *** New home Addresses Mail and Web *** home: neil@franklin.ch.remove http://neil.franklin.ch/ work: franklin@arch.ethz.ch.remove http://caad.arch.ethz.ch/~franklin/ Microsoft is Software Communism, Fight for GNU Freedom!