From: gallianoj@aol.com (GALLIANOJ) Newsgroups: alt.out-of-body Subject: jean's 'Book of the Month' Club/get in Lines: 13 NNTP-Posting-Host: ladder02.news.aol.com X-Admin: news@aol.com Date: 24 Sep 1998 16:03:00 GMT Organization: AOL http://www.aol.com Message-ID: <19980924120300.27490.00000981@ng116.aol.com> Path: chonsp.franklin.ch!pfaff.ethz.ch!news-zh.switch.ch!news.belnet.be!news-raspail.gip.net!news-peer.gip.net!news.gsl.net!gip.net!portc01.blue.aol.com!audrey03.news.aol.com!not-for-mail Hi All, Im thinking that we should try to get somewhere similar, since we all are exhibting an interest or skill for OBE... we've been trying our collective dream experiments since April/98 and now i think i know whats going on... We are not in sync. We need a mind meld method, something to call our attention together. I thought of all the wonderful books out there on this subject and i think its time we should read them together. Im beginning with William Bulhman's book 'Adventures Beyond the Body'... This is the book of the month October. If you have any good ideas for a book for November, let me know. read the book!, jean ###### Message-ID: <360A9B40.977A99F@pop.slkc.uswest.net> Date: Thu, 24 Sep 1998 12:19:28 -0700 From: Beth Reply-To: oberoberts@uswest.net X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.04 [en] (Win95; U) MIME-Version: 1.0 Newsgroups: alt.out-of-body Subject: Re: jean's 'Book of the Month' Club/get in References: <19980924120300.27490.00000981@ng116.aol.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit NNTP-Posting-Host: 207.224.201.201 X-Trace: 24 Sep 1998 13:18:36 +0500, 207.224.201.201 Lines: 31 X-Report: Report abuse to abuse@uswest.net. Path: chonsp.franklin.ch!pfaff.ethz.ch!news-zh.switch.ch!news-ge.switch.ch!news.maxwell.syr.edu!newsfeed.berkeley.edu!su-news-hub1.bbnplanet.com!su-news-feed4.bbnplanet.com!news.bbnplanet.com!newsfeed1.uswest.net!news1.uswest.net!207.224.201.201 GALLIANOJ wrote: > Hi All, > Im thinking that we should try to get somewhere similar, since we all are > exhibting an interest or skill for OBE... we've been trying our collective > dream experiments since April/98 and now i think i know whats going on... We > are not in sync. We need a mind meld method, something to call our attention > together. > I thought of all the wonderful books out there on this subject and i think its > time we should read them together. Im beginning with William Bulhman's book > 'Adventures Beyond the Body'... This is the book of the month October. If you > have any good ideas for a book for November, let me know. > read the book!, > What if we have already read the book? Any suggestions. As far as what has been going on with me lately, any more experiences than what I have been having might make me want to just stay OOBE, it seems to be so much fun :) -- Beth <<<>>> *All About Wellness Web Site* http://rbwusana.hypermart.net *Personal Web Site* http://www.users.uswest.net/~oberoberts (coming soon) ###### From: hawksmoor@dial.pipex.com (Julia Hawkes-Moore) Newsgroups: alt.out-of-body Subject: Re: jean's 'Book of the Month' Club/get in Date: Thu, 24 Sep 1998 21:19:43 GMT Organization: UUNET WorldCom server (post doesn't reflect views of UUNET WorldCom) Lines: 39 Message-ID: <360ab207.2471570@news.dial.pipex.com> References: <19980924120300.27490.00000981@ng116.aol.com> <360A9B40.977A99F@pop.slkc.uswest.net> NNTP-Posting-Host: aa153.du.pipex.com X-Newsreader: Forte Free Agent 1.1/16.230 Path: chonsp.franklin.ch!pfaff.ethz.ch!news-zh.switch.ch!news.belnet.be!news-raspail.gip.net!news-lond.gip.net!news.gsl.net!gip.net!diablo.theplanet.net!join.news.pipex.net!pipex!rill.news.pipex.net!pipex!bore.news.pipex.net!pipex!not-for-mail On Thu, 24 Sep 1998 12:19:28 -0700, Beth wrote: >What if we have already read the book? Any suggestions. As far as what has been >going on with me lately, any more experiences than what I have been having might >make me want to just stay OOBE, it seems to be so much fun :) Yes, I've read it too... I'd have to order it from the library again and that takes ages. It was a curiously unmemorable book, really. Lacking humour. Currently reading Susan Blackmore's 'Beyond the Body' and 'Test your Psychic Powers', both of which I find as irritating as sandpaper socks. Also reading Ken Wilber's 'a brie f History of Everything', Jahn's 'Margins of Reality', Broughton's 'Parapsychology' and Rupert Sheldrake's 'Seven Experiments that could change the world' (mostly because I fancied him in the cover photo!). Just finished reading Carl Sagan's 'The Demon Haunted World' (excellent, 100% recommended, even started to convince me that scepticism was of value!), and Michael Talbot's 'The Holographic Universe' which is brilliant and the most inspiring and optimistic book ever written for anyone who is even slightly psychic and weary of narrow-minded sceptics. Read them simultaneously for total balance. Also 100% recommended is David Morehouse's 'Psychic Warrior' which is very well written and the scariest thing I have read since, um... 'Silent Spring'. Rather more amusing is Targ and Harary's 'The Mind Race' although the whole Cold War thing seems rather out of date today. I'd enjoy a dialogue on any of these books, but the last time I recommended reading books in this group, someone dismissed it as a waste of time when you could get the reviews on the Internet. Oh, no, hang on, that was only Lars' opinion, and he lives in a country which shuts its libraries in summer, so please disregard! (Anyone know any famous Norwegian writers?) From a dedicated former librarian, book reader and writer of books, All best wishes, Julia Hawkes-Moore. ###### From: vandekeere@aol.com (Vandekeere) Newsgroups: alt.out-of-body Subject: Re: jean's 'Book of the Month' Club/get in Lines: 20 NNTP-Posting-Host: ladder01.news.aol.com X-Admin: news@aol.com Date: 24 Sep 1998 23:41:45 GMT References: <360ab207.2471570@news.dial.pipex.com> Organization: AOL http://www.aol.com X-Newsreader: AOL Offline Reader Message-ID: <19980924194145.08203.00000350@ngol06.aol.com> Path: chonsp.franklin.ch!pfaff.ethz.ch!news-zh.switch.ch!news.belnet.be!news-raspail.gip.net!news-peer.gip.net!news.gsl.net!gip.net!portc01.blue.aol.com!audrey01.news.aol.com!not-for-mail In article <360ab207.2471570@news.dial.pipex.com>, hawksmoor@dial.pipex.com (Julia Hawkes-Moore) writes: > Just finished reading Carl Sagan's 'The Demon Haunted World' >(excellent, 100% recommended, even started to convince me that >scepticism was of value!), and Michael Talbot's 'The Holographic >Universe' which is brilliant and the most inspiring and optimistic >book ever written for anyone who is even slightly psychic and weary of >narrow-minded sceptics. Read them simultaneously for total balance. > Hi Julia, I too loved "The Holographic Universe". Just brilliant. Along the same lines if you liked that one you might also enjoy "The Dreaming Universe" by Fred Alan Wolfe. I found it rather insightful as well with a sientific flavor to it but well worth the extra time required to gnaw through it. And if you're in the mood for a simple but beautiful classic and if you haven't read it, you just have to read "The Alchemist" by Paolo Coehlo. Bird vandekeere@aol.com ###### From: hawksmoor@dial.pipex.com (Julia Hawkes-Moore) Newsgroups: alt.out-of-body Subject: Re: jean's 'Book of the Month' Club/get in Date: Fri, 25 Sep 1998 06:58:41 GMT Organization: UUNET WorldCom server (post doesn't reflect views of UUNET WorldCom) Lines: 10 Message-ID: <360b3f01.555346@news.dial.pipex.com> References: <360ab207.2471570@news.dial.pipex.com> <19980924194145.08203.00000350@ngol06.aol.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: aa181.du.pipex.com X-Newsreader: Forte Free Agent 1.1/16.230 Path: chonsp.franklin.ch!pfaff.ethz.ch!news-zh.switch.ch!news-ge.switch.ch!feed1.news.luth.se!luth.se!tfl450.tfl.hk-r.se!newsfeed1.swip.net!swipnet!rill.news.pipex.net!pipex!bore.news.pipex.net!pipex!not-for-mail On 24 Sep 1998 23:41:45 GMT, vandekeere@aol.com (Vandekeere) wrote: >Hi Julia, I too loved "The Holographic Universe". Just brilliant. Along the >same lines if you liked that one you might also enjoy "The Dreaming Universe" >by Fred Alan Wolfe. I found it rather insightful as well with a sientific >flavor to it but well worth the extra time required to gnaw through it. And if >you're in the mood for a simple but beautiful classic and if you haven't read >it, you just have to read "The Alchemist" by Paolo Coehlo. Thanks, I'll order them! JHM ###### Path: chonsp.franklin.ch!usenet From: Neil Franklin Newsgroups: alt.out-of-body Subject: Re: jean's 'Book of the Month' Club/get in Date: 26 Sep 1998 15:48:27 +0200 Organization: My own Private Self Lines: 59 Sender: neil@chonsp.franklin.ch Message-ID: References: <19980924120300.27490.00000981@ng116.aol.com> <360A9B40.977A99F@pop.slkc.uswest.net> <360ab207.2471570@news.dial.pipex.com> X-Newsreader: Gnus v5.3/Emacs 19.34 hawksmoor@dial.pipex.com (Julia Hawkes-Moore) writes: > > Currently reading Susan Blackmore's 'Beyond the Body' and 'Test > your Psychic Powers', both of which I find as irritating as sandpaper > socks. What is grating in them? And does that translate into avoid them? (The first of them is on my to-get list.) > Just finished reading Carl Sagan's 'The Demon Haunted World' > (excellent, 100% recommended, even started to convince me that > scepticism was of value!), and Michael Talbot's 'The Holographic > Universe' which is brilliant and the most inspiring and optimistic > book ever written for anyone who is even slightly psychic and weary of > narrow-minded sceptics. Read them simultaneously for total balance. Talbot is also on the list, so I will add Sagan. Thanks for good recommendations. > Also 100% recommended is David Morehouse's 'Psychic Warrior' which > is very well written and the scariest thing I have read since, um... > 'Silent Spring'. Rather more amusing is Targ and Harary's 'The Mind > Race' although the whole Cold War thing seems rather out of date > today. In the same direction: Jim Schnabels's 'Remote Viewers', the history of the US governments remote viewing program (the one that McMoneagle was part of). Written in an journalistic style. Recommended. > I'd enjoy a dialogue on any of these books, but the last time I > recommended reading books in this group, someone dismissed it as a > waste of time when you could get the reviews on the Internet. Oh, no, > hang on, that was only Lars' opinion, and he lives in a country which > shuts its libraries in summer, so please disregard! :-) chuckling... > (Anyone know any famous Norwegian writers?) Jostein Gaarder comes to mind. He wrote 'Sophies World', an history of philosophy in the west, in an Alice in Wonderland style story, for children of all ages. Recommended. > From a dedicated former librarian, book reader and writer of books, From an book lover who is running out of room space and doesn't know where to put all the new ones :-(. Data compression for books would be a great idea :-). Or all books as HTML to put on my disk. -- home: neil@arch.ethz.ch.remove http://caad.arch.ethz.ch/~neil/ work: franklin@arch.ethz.ch.remove http://caad.arch.ethz.ch/~franklin/ Microsoft is Software Communism, Fight for GNU Freedom! ###### From: hawksmoor@dial.pipex.com (Julia Hawkes-Moore) Newsgroups: alt.out-of-body Subject: Re: jean's 'Book of the Month' Club/get in Date: Sat, 26 Sep 1998 21:29:52 GMT Organization: UUNET WorldCom server (post doesn't reflect views of UUNET WorldCom) Lines: 55 Message-ID: <360d58c0.47090278@news.dial.pipex.com> References: <19980924120300.27490.00000981@ng116.aol.com> <360A9B40.977A99F@pop.slkc.uswest.net> <360ab207.2471570@news.dial.pipex.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: aa204.du.pipex.com X-Newsreader: Forte Free Agent 1.1/16.230 Path: chonsp.franklin.ch!pfaff.ethz.ch!news-zh.switch.ch!news.belnet.be!news-raspail.gip.net!news-dc.gip.net!news-peer.gip.net!news.gsl.net!gip.net!newshub.northeast.verio.net!btnet-peer!btnet!rill.news.pipex.net!pipex!bore.news.pipex.net!pipex!not-for-mail On 26 Sep 1998 15:48:27 +0200, Neil Franklin wrote: >hawksmoor@dial.pipex.com (Julia Hawkes-Moore) writes: >> >> Currently reading Susan Blackmore's 'Beyond the Body' and 'Test >> your Psychic Powers', both of which I find as irritating as sandpaper >> socks. > >What is grating in them? And does that translate into avoid them? (The >first of them is on my to-get list.) Read it, it is a very comprehensive debunking of all research projects into AP. Each one is presented as "ooh, this could finally be the one that I (the reader and APer) could agree with" - before she then lists off ways the participants could have cheated. This devalues life-changing experiences reported 'in good faith' and turns every person reporting an unusual event into a calculating self-glorifying liar. Very tedious. Very irritating. No wonder she finds it so difficult to get volunteers for her boring research projects. I was considering volunteering myself to her - she works nearby me - but I'm not a person who takes accusations of cheating lightly. I have never (knowingly) lied or cheated in my life and so why should I expose my sincerity and honesty to someone who believes that all lesser mortals are liars? It makes me doubt her integrity if she thinks so little of everyone else. The second book is an exercise in trivia. She uses the same writing style in a 'let's sell lots of books and make some real money' approach. >In the same direction: Jim Schnabels's 'Remote Viewers', the history >of the US governments remote viewing program (the one that McMoneagle >was part of). Written in an journalistic style. Recommended. I'll order it! >> (Anyone know any famous Norwegian writers?) > >Jostein Gaarder comes to mind. He wrote 'Sophies World', an history of >philosophy in the west, in an Alice in Wonderland style story, for >children of all ages. Recommended. Mmm, I did begin reading this one, but I found it so turgid and pompous that I couldn't be bothered to continue. Written for children, you say? You amaze me. Perhaps I should try it again. Know any others? > >From an book lover who is running out of room space and doesn't know >where to put all the new ones :-(. Data compression for books would be >a great idea :-). Or all books as HTML to put on my disk. What, and miss the crackling of the spine as you open a new book, and the smell of the pages, and the way it falls open where you left off reading, and the snuggling up all night in bed with a good one? How disappointing, Neil, you are no sensualist! All best wishes, Julia HM ###### From: Ken S. Newsgroups: alt.out-of-body Subject: Re: jean's 'Book of the Month' Club/get in Date: 26 Sep 1998 16:35:53 PDT Organization: Concentric Internet Services Lines: 18 Message-ID: <360d79e2.2459321@news.ke9nr.org> References: <19980924120300.27490.00000981@ng116.aol.com> <360A9B40.977A99F@pop.slkc.uswest.net> <360ab207.2471570@news.dial.pipex.com> <360d58c0.47090278@news.dial.pipex.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: ts001d06.las-nv.concentric.net Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Newsreader: Forte Agent 1.5/16.451 Path: chonsp.franklin.ch!pfaff.ethz.ch!news-zh.switch.ch!news-ge.switch.ch!news.maxwell.syr.edu!newsfeed.berkeley.edu!news.stanford.edu!newsfeed.concentric.net!207.155.183.80.MISMATCH!global-news-master Hi Julia - On Sat, 26 Sep 1998 21:29:52 GMT, hawksmoor@dial.pipex.com (Julia Hawkes-Moore) wrote: > What, and miss the crackling of the spine as you open a new book, >and the smell of the pages, and the way it falls open where you left >off reading, and the snuggling up all night in bed with a good one? I don't care about crackling and smell and falling open, but it would be a lot more difficult to read in bed or while waiting for the doctor or whatever if my books were all on computer. In fact, I went to a used book sale fundraiser this afternoon and picked up one paperback and three hardback books for $3.50 USD. The Other Ken http://www.ke9nr.org/ ###### From: vandekeere@aol.com (Vandekeere) Newsgroups: alt.out-of-body Subject: Re: jean's 'Book of the Month' Club/get in Lines: 18 NNTP-Posting-Host: ladder01.news.aol.com X-Admin: news@aol.com Date: 27 Sep 1998 02:48:37 GMT References: <360d58c0.47090278@news.dial.pipex.com> Organization: AOL http://www.aol.com X-Newsreader: AOL Offline Reader Message-ID: <19980926224837.11011.00000102@ngol07.aol.com> Path: chonsp.franklin.ch!pfaff.ethz.ch!news-zh.switch.ch!news-ge.switch.ch!news.maxwell.syr.edu!news-peer.gip.net!news.gsl.net!gip.net!portc01.blue.aol.com!audrey01.news.aol.com!not-for-mail Hey again, If you want a great addictive account of a "non-ordinary" nature. Check out "Spiritwalker" by Hank Wesselman. Two words: Read it!!!! :) It's a great read, insightful, as well as uplifting and providing a good alternative or expanded approach to OBEs. It's a narrative of some wild on-going experiences the author had. He's also got a new one out but I haven't gnawed it down yet ;) Can't remember if I mentioned "The Center of the Cyclone" by John C. Lilly. It is a good read about one man's determination to explore and map inner space plus he's a great example of a human :) and while you're at it check out "The Art of Dreaming" by Carlos Castaneda. It's a good intro to his works, if you like it there's 6 or 7 others in his "line" of novels....all good reads, lots of wisdom packed with excitement and humor....who cares if he made it up?.....if he even did??? ;) Stalk to you later, Bird vandekeere@aol.com ###### From: Ken Czepelka Newsgroups: alt.out-of-body Subject: Re: jean's 'Book of the Month' Club/get in Date: Sun, 27 Sep 1998 11:00:45 -0600 Organization: Sound Sculpture Lines: 66 Message-ID: <360E6F3D.292043E3@soundsculpture.com> References: <19980924120300.27490.00000981@ng116.aol.com> <360A9B40.977A99F@pop.slkc.uswest.net> <360ab207.2471570@news.dial.pipex.com> <360d58c0.47090278@news.dial.pipex.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: pm1-ppp136-194.privatei.com Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.04 [en] (Win95; I) Path: chonsp.franklin.ch!pfaff.ethz.ch!news-zh.switch.ch!news.belnet.be!news-raspail.gip.net!news-peer.gip.net!news.gsl.net!gip.net!news.maxwell.syr.edu!newsfeed.frii.net!beetle.privatei.com!not-for-mail Hi Julia, I had to respond to this post because your evaluation of Susan's book could leave some folks here with enough of a distaste in their mouth to avoid it and I think that would be a real shame. I think that "Beyond the Body" is one of the most comprehensive books on Out of Body experiences I have ever read if one is looking for a book that examines OBE's from as many angles and with as much accuracy and thoroughness as possible. She has done a great service to us all by publishing this work. Her work truly balances (almost single handedly) all of the other publications on the market. Like music, taste in literature varies immensely. I get bored with some OBE publications (such as "Adventures Beyond the Body" by Buhlman) that do nothing more than write about the everyday OBE experiences of the author. To me, writing about one's OBE's in and of itself does not necessarily make for exciting reading although I can see where for many it would. Susan's book examines the OBE from as many perspectives as she could muster complete with her examinations of the OBE in other cultures, the frequencies of OBE amoung the populace, the effects of drugs on the experience, experiments in OBE vision, and on and on. I have a very scientific mind and when I have OBE's I love to examine them in detail and try and find meaning, consistantcies, unusual happenings, connections between events and so on. (I guess this is what scientific minds do). Throughout Susan's book she examines the OBE with a scientific curiosity that matches my own. Her book is written with flair, a wonderfully readable style, and with such believability that it can inspire those that simply aren't sure what this whole OBE thing is all about. I personally find her style refreshing, enlightening, and as much fun to read as a good mystery. And most definitely as comforting as warm thick cotten socks on cold feet. By the way, I also think Talbots Book is wonderful. Thanks for listening. Ken "The speed of time is one second per second." -unknown Julia Hawkes-Moore wrote: > Currently reading Susan Blackmore's 'Beyond the Body' and 'Test >your Psychic Powers', both of which I find as irritating as sandpaper >socks. > > Read it, it is a very comprehensive debunking of all research > projects into AP. Each one is presented as "ooh, this could finally be > the one that I (the reader and APer) could agree with" - before she > then lists off ways the participants could have cheated. This devalues > life-changing experiences reported 'in good faith' and turns every > person reporting an unusual event into a calculating self-glorifying > liar. Very tedious. Very irritating. > No wonder she finds it so difficult to get volunteers for her > boring research projects. I was considering volunteering myself to her > - she works nearby me - but I'm not a person who takes accusations of > cheating lightly. I have never (knowingly) lied or cheated in my life > and so why should I expose my sincerity and honesty to someone who > believes that all lesser mortals are liars? It makes me doubt her > integrity if she thinks so little of everyone else. > The second book is an exercise in trivia. She uses the same writing > style in a 'let's sell lots of books and make some real money' > approach. > ###### Path: chonsp.franklin.ch!usenet From: Neil Franklin Newsgroups: alt.out-of-body Subject: Re: jean's 'Book of the Month' Club/get in Date: 27 Sep 1998 23:21:27 +0200 Organization: My own Private Self Lines: 96 Message-ID: References: <19980924120300.27490.00000981@ng116.aol.com> <360A9B40.977A99F@pop.slkc.uswest.net> <360ab207.2471570@news.dial.pipex.com> <360d58c0.47090278@news.dial.pipex.com> X-Newsreader: Gnus v5.3/Emacs 19.34 hawksmoor@dial.pipex.com (Julia Hawkes-Moore) writes: > > wrote: > > >hawksmoor@dial.pipex.com (Julia Hawkes-Moore) writes: > >> >> Currently reading Susan Blackmore's 'Beyond the Body' and 'Test > >> your Psychic Powers', both of which I find as irritating as sandpaper > >> socks. > > > >What is grating in them? And does that translate into avoid them? (The > >first of them is on my to-get list.) > > Read it, it is a very comprehensive debunking of all research > projects into AP. Each one is presented as "ooh, this could finally be > the one that I (the reader and APer) could agree with" - before she > then lists off ways the participants could have cheated. This devalues > life-changing experiences reported 'in good faith' and turns every > person reporting an unusual event into a calculating self-glorifying > liar. Very tedious. Very irritating. Hmm. I agree with the 'in good faith' bit, but not neccessary with the "could have cheated" interpretation. From what I know about scientists, they are extremely fearfull of people deluding themselves and then reporting in good faith seeing stuff that is not really there. A sort of "humans are unreliable, so mistrust them" type of thinking. A bit anal-retentive if you ask me. Looks like I will leave it on my to-get list, to see what she really does think on this one. Above also with respect to Ken C's answer. I have seldom two so different critics of the same book. Interesting. > >> (Anyone know any famous Norwegian writers?) > > > >Jostein Gaarder comes to mind. He wrote 'Sophies World', an history of > >philosophy in the west, in an Alice in Wonderland style story, for > >children of all ages. Recommended. > > Mmm, I did begin reading this one, but I found it so turgid and > pompous that I couldn't be bothered to continue. I see where you got that from. It certainly lacks the lightness of the original Alice. Has a tendency to take itsself too seriously. Also too much weight on the quest of Sophie (perhaps _because_ it is aimed at children?). > Written for children, you say? You amaze me. Perhaps I should try it > again. IIRC the original newspaper review I read (this was 3-4 years ago) said it was aimed at 12-15 age group. But I may be remembering wrong on this. > Know any others? No. I am not a great literature reader. More technical stuff. And I can't remember anything norwegian there either. OTOH Finland... But the norwegians did at least invent skiing. > >From an book lover who is running out of room space and doesn't know > >where to put all the new ones :-(. Data compression for books would be > >a great idea :-). Or all books as HTML to put on my disk. > > What, and miss the crackling of the spine as you open a new book, > and the smell of the pages, When reading (and also watching films) I tend to get so involved with the story that I do not notice anything else outside. So that sort of thing tends to go unnoticed. > and the snuggling up all night in bed with a good one? Actually I don't read in bed at all, it makes my shoulders and neck hurt. > How disappointing, Neil, you are no sensualist! ROTFL. Mea Culpa! I should have not forgotten that :-) thing. Actually I like experiencing things, nature, wine, pictures, stories. But I tend to be very practical minded when it comes to problems such as too little space. There the handy man in me shows up. -- home: neil@arch.ethz.ch.remove http://caad.arch.ethz.ch/~neil/ work: franklin@arch.ethz.ch.remove http://caad.arch.ethz.ch/~franklin/ Microsoft is Software Communism, Fight for GNU Freedom! ###### From: hawksmoor@dial.pipex.com (Julia Hawkes-Moore) Newsgroups: alt.out-of-body Subject: Re: jean's 'Book of the Month' Club/get in Date: Sun, 27 Sep 1998 20:14:32 GMT Organization: UUNET WorldCom server (post doesn't reflect views of UUNET WorldCom) Lines: 18 Message-ID: <360e9a93.5722690@news.dial.pipex.com> References: <19980924120300.27490.00000981@ng116.aol.com> <360A9B40.977A99F@pop.slkc.uswest.net> <360ab207.2471570@news.dial.pipex.com> <360d58c0.47090278@news.dial.pipex.com> <360E6F3D.292043E3@soundsculpture.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: aa213.du.pipex.com X-Newsreader: Forte Free Agent 1.1/16.230 Path: chonsp.franklin.ch!pfaff.ethz.ch!news-zh.switch.ch!news.belnet.be!news-raspail.gip.net!news-peer.gip.net!news.gsl.net!gip.net!newshub.northeast.verio.net!news-feed.inet.tele.dk!bofh.vszbr.cz!join.news.pipex.net!pipex!warm.news.pipex.net!bore.news.pipex.net!pipex!not-for-mail On Sun, 27 Sep 1998 11:00:45 -0600, Ken Czepelka wrote: >I had to respond to this post because your evaluation of Susan's book >could leave some folks here with enough of a distaste in their mouth to >avoid it and I think that would be a real shame. Fair enough, I did recommend that everyone should read it. Especially since it can elicit two such extreme opinions! I'm glad you enjoyed Michael Talbot's book 'The Holographic Universe'. I found it one of the most interesting books I ever read, in fact I've ordered a copy to buy, an extreme reaction for such a keen library user as myself! I found it invigorating and optimistic - Talbot presents the first 'scientific' explanation of the paranormal that I personally found acceptable. An excellent read, informative, mature and well-written. He even outlined quantum mechanics in bite-sized chunks. Funny, too! All best wishes, JHM. ###### From: Ken S. Newsgroups: alt.out-of-body Subject: Re: jean's 'Book of the Month' Club/get in Date: 27 Sep 1998 13:35:25 PDT Organization: Concentric Internet Services Lines: 17 Message-ID: <3610a15e.1578764@news.ke9nr.org> References: <19980924120300.27490.00000981@ng116.aol.com> <360A9B40.977A99F@pop.slkc.uswest.net> <360ab207.2471570@news.dial.pipex.com> <360d58c0.47090278@news.dial.pipex.com> <360E6F3D.292043E3@soundsculpture.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: ts007d17.las-nv.concentric.net Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Newsreader: Forte Agent 1.5/16.451 Path: chonsp.franklin.ch!pfaff.ethz.ch!news-zh.switch.ch!news-ge.switch.ch!newscore.univie.ac.at!europa.clark.net!207.172.3.37!feed1.news.rcn.net!rcn!newsfeed.concentric.net!207.155.183.80.MISMATCH!global-news-master Hi Ken - On Sun, 27 Sep 1998 11:00:45 -0600, Ken Czepelka wrote: >I get bored with some >OBE publications (such as "Adventures Beyond the Body" by Buhlman) that >do nothing more than write about the everyday OBE experiences of the >author. Huh? Did you read the entirety of ABtB? Buhlman spends a lot of time relating OBEs to quantum psychics, etc. I personally found it to be the best of the OBE material that I've read so far. Different strokes for different folks, I guess. The Other Ken http://www.ke9nr.org/