From: gustavo@mail.sonet.pt (Rang3r) Newsgroups: alt.out-of-body Subject: Time Travel in Obee Date: Mon, 07 Sep 1998 12:49:01 GMT Organization: Casa Lines: 2 Message-ID: <35fb3218.2913221@news.esoterica.pt> NNTP-Posting-Host: lis215.esoterica.pt Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Newsreader: Forte Agent 1.01/32.397 Path: ccw.ch!pfaff.ethz.ch!news-zh.switch.ch!news-ge.switch.ch!enews.sgi.com!logbridge.uoregon.edu!news.idt.net!newsfeed.internetmci.com!195.99.66.215!news-feed1.eu.concert.net!btnet-peer!btnet!diablo.theplanet.net!join.news.pipex.net!pipex!news.esoterica.pt!news Time Travel in Obee ! is it possible ? ###### Message-ID: <35F414CE.63756DBE@pop.slkc.uswest.net> Date: Mon, 07 Sep 1998 10:15:58 -0700 From: Beth Reply-To: oberoberts@uswest.net X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.04 [en] (Win95; U) MIME-Version: 1.0 Newsgroups: alt.out-of-body Subject: Re: Time Travel in Obee References: <35fb3218.2913221@news.esoterica.pt> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit NNTP-Posting-Host: 207.224.201.210 X-Trace: 7 Sep 1998 11:15:27 +0500, 207.224.201.210 Lines: 11 X-Report: Report abuse to abuse@uswest.net. Path: ccw.ch!pfaff.ethz.ch!news-zh.switch.ch!news-ge.switch.ch!newscore.univie.ac.at!news-raspail.gip.net!news-dc.gip.net!news-peer.gip.net!news.gsl.net!gip.net!howland.erols.net!newsfeed.wli.net!su-news-hub1.bbnplanet.com!su-news-feed4.bbnplanet.com!news.bbnplanet.com!newsfeed1.uswest.net!news1.uswest.net!207.224.201.210 > Time Travel in Obee ! is it possible ? I would say so, I have done it a few times. I have a friend who has done it many, many times. Probably one of the easiest ways to do time travel. Beth ###### From: Lucid Newsgroups: alt.out-of-body Subject: Re: Time Travel in Obee Date: 07 Sep 1998 12:40:58 PDT Organization: Concentric Internet Services Lines: 40 Message-ID: <35F43535.27E0A7C1@hotmail.com> References: <35fb3218.2913221@news.esoterica.pt> NNTP-Posting-Host: ts011d24.oak-ca.concentric.net Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.04 [en] (Win95; U) Path: ccw.ch!pfaff.ethz.ch!news-zh.switch.ch!news-ge.switch.ch!news.maxwell.syr.edu!howland.erols.net!newsfeed.concentric.net!207.155.183.80.MISMATCH!global-news-master Rang3, I would said that it's possible bc of the oobes that I had. Occasionally I would have these oobes where I would walk into a place and just plain startled...Oh my gosh, I had been here before...while oobeing months or years before. For example, I had an oobe where I am standing on the escalator, going up to the second floor. I seems to be somewhere in a library...there are ppl gathering around to hear this one presenter...he was talking about something that I was not able to hear clearly. I thought this was odd, I didn't know that the library around there (I was in Texas then) have any program where they brought in speaker to speak in front of the library like that. I had not thought about until three month later..when a new Barnes & Noble bookstore open. I was on my way up the escalator, and as I turned to my left and looked down....my mouth dropped, it was the exact scene from my oobe. Yup, the same group of ppl was gathering around this speaker on the floor. Naturally I went down and see who it was. The speaker (which I don't remember the name now) is a photographer who travel all over the world. His specialty was pictures of mountains that he had climbed. There were many pictures of beautiful snow covered mountain, and he was explaining to the group how he had made many a dangerous trip just to be able to take these pictures. I guess I would normally walk pass something like that if it wasn't for my oobe. It kind of make me wonder later, is everything already set up in the future? Like a movie, and I am just some kind of actor going thru the movie of my life? But if this is true...then what about free will? I am still struggle with this question today. This was my first of what I call my precognition oobes..since then I had many similar ones to this. Hoped this help somewhat in answering your question, Lucid. Rang3r wrote: > Time Travel in Obee ! is it possible ? ###### From: Linda Stead Newsgroups: alt.out-of-body Subject: Re: Time Travel in Obee Date: Mon, 07 Sep 1998 20:33:03 -0700 Organization: Oregon Public Networking Lines: 50 Message-ID: <35F4A56F.45E5@jeffnet.org> References: <35fb3218.2913221@news.esoterica.pt> <35F43535.27E0A7C1@hotmail.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: jeffnet.org Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Mozilla 3.03Gold (Win95; I) Path: ccw.ch!pfaff.ethz.ch!news-zh.switch.ch!news-ge.switch.ch!newscore.univie.ac.at!uninett.no!howland.erols.net!newsfeed.wli.net!hammer.uoregon.edu!news.uoregon.edu!news.efn.org!not-for-mail Lucid wrote: > > Rang3, > > I would said that it's possible bc of the oobes that I had. > Occasionally I would have these oobes where I would walk into a place > and just plain startled...Oh my gosh, I had been here before...while > oobeing months or years before. For example, I had an oobe where I am > standing on the escalator, going up to the second floor. I seems to be > somewhere in a library...there are ppl gathering around to hear this one > presenter...he was talking about something that I was not able to hear > clearly. I thought this was odd, I didn't know that the library around > there (I was in Texas then) have any program where they brought in > speaker to speak in front of the library like that. I had not thought > about until three month later..when a new Barnes & Noble bookstore > open. I was on my way up the escalator, and as I turned to my left and > looked down....my mouth dropped, it was the exact scene from my oobe. > Yup, the same group of ppl was gathering around this speaker on the > floor. Naturally I went down and see who it was. The speaker (which I > don't remember the name now) is a photographer who travel all over the > world. His specialty was pictures of mountains that he had climbed. > There were many pictures of beautiful snow covered mountain, and he was > explaining to the group how he had made many a dangerous trip just to be > able to take these pictures. I guess I would normally walk pass > something like that if it wasn't for my oobe. It kind of make me wonder > later, is everything already set up in the future? Like a movie, and I > am just some kind of actor going thru the movie of my life? But if this > is true...then what about free will? I am still struggle with this > question today. > This was my first of what I call my precognition oobes..since then I had > many similar ones to this. > > Hoped this help somewhat in answering your question, > > Lucid. > > Rang3r wrote: > > > Time Travel in Obee ! is it possible ? Many people would call this dream precognitive rather than time travel. It seems to be pretty common in dreams. -- With Smiles, Linda Stead Ashland, Oregon "In life one learns to keep silent and draw one's own confusions." Cornelia Otis Skinner (Writer, 1901-1979) ###### From: Lucid Newsgroups: alt.out-of-body Subject: Re: Time Travel in Obee Date: 07 Sep 1998 22:09:36 PDT Organization: Concentric Internet Services Lines: 27 Message-ID: <35F4BA79.E2102F1E@hotmail.com> References: <35fb3218.2913221@news.esoterica.pt> <35F43535.27E0A7C1@hotmail.com> <35F4A56F.45E5@jeffnet.org> NNTP-Posting-Host: ts010d30.oak-ca.concentric.net Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.04 [en] (Win95; U) Path: ccw.ch!pfaff.ethz.ch!news-zh.switch.ch!news-ge.switch.ch!news.maxwell.syr.edu!howland.erols.net!newsfeed.concentric.net!207.155.183.80.MISMATCH!global-news-master Linda Stead wrote: > Many people would call this dream precognitive rather than time travel. > It seems to be pretty common in dreams Linda, You're right there, except for one part, and the most important one.. is that I was fully conscious at that time (after I just got up and walk away from my body)...a full blown oobe. It's like I was fully living in that moment at that time...except I didn't know that I would encounter the same reality again (granted that it was more clearer in vision and hearing)..in actual physical reality three months later. That's why I called it preconitive oobe and not a dream. Now I have learned from this episode. I now would make a habit of asking what day it was in all of my oobes (especially in oobes where I ended up in strange places). So far, most ppl in the my oobe would look at me funny and wouldn't answer my question or sometime they would but I would later forgot their answers. But anyway, I won't give up just yet...imagine if someone was to answer that it is Dec 7,98...then I would have a rare glimse into my future.. Wouldn't you call this time travel? Lucid. ###### From: "Lars Rune Foleide" Newsgroups: alt.out-of-body References: <35fb3218.2913221@news.esoterica.pt> Subject: Re: Time Travel in Obee Date: Mon, 7 Sep 1998 22:12:57 +0200 Lines: 11 X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.3110.1 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.3110.3 NNTP-Posting-Host: t7o204p21.telia.com X-NNTP-Posting-Host: t7o204p21.telia.com Message-ID: <35f43e7b.0@d2o204.telia.com> X-Complaints-To: abuse@telia.no Path: ccw.ch!pfaff.ethz.ch!news-zh.switch.ch!news.belnet.be!newspump.monmouth.com!newspeer.monmouth.com!europa.clark.net!194.182.148.154!news-feed.inet.tele.dk!bofh.vszbr.cz!newsfeed.online.no!newsfeed50.telia.com!d2o204.telia.com!t7o204p21.telia.com Rang3r wrote in message <35fb3218.2913221@news.esoterica.pt>... >Time Travel in Obee ! is it possible ? > From what I hear from a few people: Yes. Cheers, Lars ###### From: "Lars Rune Foleide" Newsgroups: alt.out-of-body References: <35fb3218.2913221@news.esoterica.pt> <35F43535.27E0A7C1@hotmail.com> Subject: Re: Time Travel in Obee Date: Mon, 7 Sep 1998 22:19:35 +0200 Lines: 23 X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.3110.1 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.3110.3 NNTP-Posting-Host: t7o204p21.telia.com X-NNTP-Posting-Host: t7o204p21.telia.com Message-ID: <35f44009.0@d2o204.telia.com> X-Complaints-To: abuse@telia.no Path: ccw.ch!pfaff.ethz.ch!news-zh.switch.ch!news-ge.switch.ch!news.maxwell.syr.edu!newsfeed1.swip.net!swipnet!masternews.telia.net!newsfeed50.telia.com!d2o204.telia.com!t7o204p21.telia.com Lucid wrote in message <35F43535.27E0A7C1@hotmail.com>... >It kind of make me wonder >later, is everything already set up in the future? Like a movie, and I >am just some kind of actor going thru the movie of my life? But if this >is true...then what about free will? I am still struggle with this >question today. I have been wondering about that too.... It is like the future exist. Whether we know it or not. You can look into to it, travel to it, and only by knowing the future can you change it. I find it highly strange. I mean.... why? The answer to that question will be difficult to find... Almost make me feel like I'm a part of a game. Regards, Lars ###### From: "MIGHTY" Newsgroups: alt.out-of-body Subject: Re: Time Travel in Obee Date: Tue, 8 Sep 1998 18:23:10 -0400 Organization: "SNET dial access service" Lines: 16 Message-ID: <6t4agm$1a1@news1.snet.net> References: <35fb3218.2913221@news.esoterica.pt> NNTP-Posting-Host: trtn-sh3-port98.snet.net X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.71.1712.3 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.71.1712.3 Path: ccw.ch!pfaff.ethz.ch!news-zh.switch.ch!news-ge.switch.ch!news.maxwell.syr.edu!newsfeed.berkeley.edu!newsfeed.wli.net!uunet!uunet!in4.uu.net!nntp.snet.net!usenet OOBE-ers, I think that The future is based on the things that will happen if things go on the way that you are-it sees what you would pick-choices, decisions, universities, etc. The future isn't made up yet. Its all your decision, so choose wisely-it may be of the benefit of the world!! MIGHTY ###### From: The Great Cornholio Newsgroups: alt.out-of-body Subject: Re: Time Travel in Obee Date: Tue, 08 Sep 1998 19:19:12 +0100 Organization: Virgin News Service Lines: 16 Message-ID: <35F57520.FED753F5@virgin.net> References: <35fb3218.2913221@news.esoterica.pt> <35F43535.27E0A7C1@hotmail.com> <35F4A56F.45E5@jeffnet.org> Reply-To: simon.brewer@virgin.net NNTP-Posting-Host: 194.168.58.74 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=x-user-defined Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.5b1 [en] (Win95; I) X-Accept-Language: en Path: ccw.ch!pfaff.ethz.ch!news-zh.switch.ch!news.belnet.be!news-raspail.gip.net!news-peer.gip.net!news.gsl.net!gip.net!dca1-hub1.news.digex.net!digex!netnews.com!news.megsinet.net!uunet!in5.uu.net!news1-gui.server.ntli.net!news-feed.ntli.net!news7-gui.server.ntli.net!news-feed.ntli.net!not-for-mail Linda Stead wrote: > Many people would call this dream precognitive rather than time travel. > It seems to be pretty common in dreams. What would be the difference between precognition and time travel? If it's only the mind that's travelling, how can you distinguish? And by the same token, do you travel in time when you remember something? -- You have been contacted by The Great Cornholio! Are you threatening me? Do you have TP? ###### From: special_FX@telusplanet.net (duller) Newsgroups: alt.out-of-body Subject: Re: Time Travel in Obee Date: 12 Sep 1998 04:31:55 GMT Organization: none Lines: 21 Message-ID: <6tctfr$7ug@priv-sys04-le0.telusplanet.net> References: <35fb3218.2913221@news.esoterica.pt> <6t4agm$1a1@news1.snet.net> NNTP-Posting-Host: edtntnt1-port-82.agt.net Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Newsreader: WinVN 0.99.3 Path: ccw.ch!pfaff.ethz.ch!news-zh.switch.ch!news-ge.switch.ch!news.maxwell.syr.edu!sunqbc.risq.qc.ca!nntp.cadvision.com!news.agtac.net!news.telusplanet.net!news >It is like the future exist. Whether we know it or not. >You can look into to it, travel to it, and only >by knowing the future can you change it. >I find it highly strange. I mean.... why? >The answer to that question will be difficult to find... >Almost make me feel like I'm a part of a game. This is all very interesting. Albert Einstein and some other physicists theorized that time somehow does not go in a straight line. That the future is already somehow made up. Not sure I understand, I don't think they understand their theories fully either. However this could somehow explain things like psychic readings, Bible Codes, and so forth. That somehow you can look into it and change it, if you know what's going to happend. Andreas ###### From: Neil Godbole Newsgroups: alt.out-of-body Subject: Re: Time Travel in Obee Date: Sat, 12 Sep 1998 14:41:24 -0700 Lines: 42 Message-ID: <35FAEA84.612A8DAC@navin.com> References: <35fb3218.2913221@news.esoterica.pt> <6t4agm$1a1@news1.snet.net> <6tctfr$7ug@priv-sys04-le0.telusplanet.net> NNTP-Posting-Host: victor.sjc.hybrid.com Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Trace: 905635914 7199 (none) 206.86.0.12 X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.05 [en] (Win95; I) Path: ccw.ch!pfaff.ethz.ch!news-zh.switch.ch!news-ge.switch.ch!newsfeed.uk.ibm.net!ibm.net!news-lond.gip.net!news-peer.gip.net!news.gsl.net!gip.net!newsxfer3.itd.umich.edu!news1.best.com!nntp2.ba.best.com!not-for-mail duller wrote: > >It is like the future exist. Whether we know it or not. > >You can look into to it, travel to it, and only > >by knowing the future can you change it. > > >I find it highly strange. I mean.... why? > >The answer to that question will be difficult to find... > > >Almost make me feel like I'm a part of a game. > > This is all very interesting. Albert Einstein and some other physicists > theorized that time somehow does not go in a straight line. That the > future is already somehow made up. Not sure I understand, I don't think > they understand their theories fully either. However this could somehow > explain things like psychic readings, Bible Codes, and so forth. That > somehow you can look into it and change it, if you know what's going to > happend. > > Andreas It's possible I can provide some insight into this. I am also not sure, but I do remember reading somewhere that time (future/past) can be imagined as all happening at once. We (humans) however, only experience a linear change of events becuase each event wheather it happens before or after has it's own unique frequency. We are not able to recieve and become sensitive to all these frequencies at once so what happens is that we see them as a progression as events. This is why precognition and clairvoyance seem to exist. We are basically becomeing aware of frequencies before the physical world is actually becoming aware of these frequencies. This is my interpretation of what I have read. If this makes sense to you, or you have anything to add to it, please do. - Neil.