From: palyne@zmatrix.com Newsgroups: alt.out-of-body Subject: Re: Remote Viewing <-- Doubts Date: Fri, 28 Aug 1998 01:28:47 GMT Organization: Deja News - The Leader in Internet Discussion Lines: 110 Message-ID: <6s514e$sgs$1@nnrp1.dejanews.com> References: <6r687i$p74$1@nnrp1.dejanews.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: 208.254.85.214 X-Article-Creation-Date: Fri Aug 28 01:28:47 1998 GMT X-Http-User-Agent: Mozilla/4.02 [en] (Win95; U) Path: ccw.ch!pfaff.ethz.ch!news-zh.switch.ch!news.belnet.be!newsgate.cistron.nl!het.net!newspump.monmouth.com!newspeer.monmouth.com!nntp2.dejanews.com!nnrp1.dejanews.com!not-for-mail speshialk@aol.com 1998/07/16 wrote: >Don't listen to Dames or Brown. >If there are credible sources, Puthoff, Macgonagle, Buchanan are the ones. >------ >Keith FYI for the list in general. On the science side, Dr. Harold W. Puthoff (a physicist) founded the RV program and worked as leader of the researcher program until 1985. Russell Targ (also a physicist) worked as a Sr. Manager in the program from about 1979 (I think!) to the mid-1980's. Dr. Edwin C. May (also a physicist) worked as a Sr. Manager in the program from the 1970's and then took over as Director of the program in 1985, until 1995. Dr. Puthoff doesn't have a web site that I know of. He is now involved with other aspects of physics (zero-point energy), also controversial, so he doesn't tend to get involved with RV stuff anymore. Russell Targ has a web site dedicated to his book, "Miracles of Mind: Remote Viewing and Spiritual Healing" (with co-author Jane Katra, Ph.D.) at http://www.espresearch.com/ Dr. Edwin May, currently Director of the Laboratories for Fundamental Research and The Cognitive Sciences Laboratory, has a web site(s) at http://www.lfr.org/ As far as science Viewers go, Joseph McMoneagle (note the spelling) is probably the most demonstrated; his sessions are listed by name or Viewer # (001 or 372) in nearly every legit book ever written about remote viewing (and a few about psi in general). He has done lots of live appearances, blind challenges to his skill etc., and has been featured in print media such as Time, Life, Newsweek, and more, and visual media such as Nightline, ABC's "Put to the Test," Reader's Digest video series "Mysteries of the Unexplained," and more. He is probably better known in the U.K. than in the USA, as he has been in a lot more television media there than here. McMoneagle has a book he wrote in 1993 and issued a new edition of 1997 called "Mind Trek: Exploring Time, Space and Consciousness Through Remote Viewing," which is still available in bookstores or via amazon.com or directly via the link to Joe stuff which follows. Joe is an associate of the Cognitive Sciences Laboratory, so that is his official site, though there isn't much there about him personally. He has a personal site going up later this year, as well as another book -- this one with a long list of *specific* predictions for the next 150 years, due out in October 1998 -- it ought to be great, I'm looking forward to it. I have a section of my web site dedicated to Joe which has transcripts of media, media articles, news articles, book info, personal info etc. You can go directly to it via this link: http://www.paradigm-sys.com/firedocs/joe/ On the military side, again you have McMoneagle, who was a founding Viewer and was the only person in the program from its inception in 1978 until its termination in 1995. He's also one of the only (the only public) Viewer to have done both intelligence collection and scientific research. There is a long list of singular credentials he has -- including being the only guy (at least the only one public) to win a Legion of Merit -- the highest award an intell officer can get during peacetime -- for his work in the RV program, the award listing every alphabet soup agency you can imagine. See above for ref: to him. Also from the military program, though utilizing a somewhat different approach, there are a number of people now public. Paul H. Smith, who wrote the CRV manual (based on Ingo Swann's psychic methods) for the military unit, was a Viewer and instructor for seven years in the program. Paul teaches CRV and has a web site at http://www.rviewer.com/ Leonard 'Lyn' Buchanan worked as an instructor, Viewer and profiler (database manager) for nine years in the program. Lyn also teaches CRV and has a web site at http://www.crviewer.com/ Also there are a few others from the former military program who communicate with the public; one in the Netherlands currently, and one who was a monitor, not a Viewer, and a couple others. You can find tons of archived discussion from a list I ran until July 4 '98 at the Firedocs site; this included Joe, Paul, Lyn, "Liam," Gene, Greg, and Russell, at various times (and in various quantities). Link later. Also public from the RV program are Edward Dames, a monitor who worked in the unit just over two years (from Jan '86 to June '88), and his ex-best-friend David Morehouse, a Viewer who worked in the unit from '88 to '90. Ed teaches TRV (a psychic method which he says he invented and is 'nothing like CRV', but which is nearly identical except for lacking some protocol, and uses the same manual--) he has a web site at http://www.trv-psitech.com/ . By the way you can find the 'secret manual' on my firedocs web site too (link later). Morehouse doesn't have a web site, but does have a book related to RV, which is mostly fiction but a really terrific read if you ask me; it's called "Psychic Warrior: The True Story of a Soldier's Espionage and Awakening." You can find that through amazon.com or in most bookstores. You can find tons of information about remote viewing and remote viewers at my web site: PJ Gaenir's Firedocs Remote Viewing Collection http://www.paradigm-sys.com/firedocs/ Regards, PJ -----== Posted via Deja News, The Leader in Internet Discussion ==----- http://www.dejanews.com/rg_mkgrp.xp Create Your Own Free Member Forum ###### From: "Lars Rune Foleide" Newsgroups: alt.out-of-body References: <6r687i$p74$1@nnrp1.dejanews.com> <6s514e$sgs$1@nnrp1.dejanews.com> Subject: Re: Remote Viewing <-- Doubts Date: Sun, 30 Aug 1998 21:59:42 +0200 Lines: 22 X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.3110.1 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.3110.3 NNTP-Posting-Host: t4o204p36.telia.com X-NNTP-Posting-Host: t4o204p36.telia.com Message-ID: <35e9af63.0@d2o204.telia.com> X-Complaints-To: abuse@telia.no Path: ccw.ch!pfaff.ethz.ch!news-zh.switch.ch!news-ge.switch.ch!newscore.univie.ac.at!uninett.no!newsfeed2.telia.com!d2o204.telia.com!t4o204p36.telia.com palyne@zmatrix.com wrote in message > >Leonard 'Lyn' Buchanan worked as an instructor, Viewer and profiler (database >manager) for nine years in the program. Lyn also teaches CRV and has a web >site at http://www.crviewer.com/ > The design sucks... Almost look like a 5 years old kid experimenting with web pages... Need a drastic update if you ask me..... But thanks for the links, there was a few I hadn't seem before.... Take care, Lars ###### From: palyne@zmatrix.com Newsgroups: alt.out-of-body Subject: Re: Remote Viewing <-- Doubts Date: Mon, 31 Aug 1998 17:11:01 GMT Organization: Deja News - The Leader in Internet Discussion Lines: 27 Message-ID: <6self6$np7$1@nnrp1.dejanews.com> References: <6r687i$p74$1@nnrp1.dejanews.com> <6s514e$sgs$1@nnrp1.dejanews.com> <35e9af63.0@d2o204.telia.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: 208.196.154.131 X-Article-Creation-Date: Mon Aug 31 17:11:01 1998 GMT X-Http-User-Agent: Mozilla/4.04 (Macintosh; I; PPC) X-Http-Proxy: 1.0 x1.dejanews.com:80 (Squid/1.1.22) for client 208.196.154.131 Path: ccw.ch!pfaff.ethz.ch!news-zh.switch.ch!news.belnet.be!news-raspail.gip.net!news-peer.gip.net!news.gsl.net!gip.net!newsfeed.internetmci.com!204.238.120.130!news-feeds.jump.net!nntp2.dejanews.com!nnrp1.dejanews.com!not-for-mail > palyne@zmatrix.com wrote in message > >Leonard 'Lyn' Buchanan worked as an instructor, Viewer and profiler > (database > >manager) for nine years in the program. Lyn also teaches CRV and has a web > >site at http://www.crviewer.com/ In article <35e9af63.0@d2o204.telia.com>, "Lars Rune Foleide" wrote: > The design sucks... > Almost look like a 5 years old kid experimenting with web pages... > Need a drastic update if you ask me..... > But thanks for the links, there was a few I hadn't seem before.... Well, that ain't MY fault. :-) It's true it needs drastic update, but, it's just a reference. I generally recommend my own web site -- which is not updated constantly but usually has reference to everyone legit in the field -- first. http://www.paradigm-sys.com/firedocs/ PJ -----== Posted via Deja News, The Leader in Internet Discussion ==----- http://www.dejanews.com/rg_mkgrp.xp Create Your Own Free Member Forum ###### From: palyne@zmatrix.com Newsgroups: alt.alien.research,alt.out-of-body Subject: Re: Remote Viewing <-- doubts Date: Fri, 28 Aug 1998 01:44:59 GMT Organization: Deja News - The Leader in Internet Discussion Lines: 44 Message-ID: <6s522r$t9d$1@nnrp1.dejanews.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: 208.254.85.214 X-Article-Creation-Date: Fri Aug 28 01:44:59 1998 GMT X-Http-User-Agent: Mozilla/4.02 [en] (Win95; U) Path: ccw.ch!pfaff.ethz.ch!news-zh.switch.ch!enews.sgi.com!news.idt.net!news-nyc.telia.net!newsfeed.internetmci.com!204.238.120.130!news-feeds.jump.net!nntp2.dejanews.com!nnrp1.dejanews.com!not-for-mail Someone whose name I didn't get wrote back in July (I'm a little late in getting around to responding, sorry about that): >If you ever listen to the Art Bell radio show you'll have heard of Major Ed >Dames. An ex-RV'er for the military. Actually Dames was a desk jockey, an ops officer (one of a number of them, he worked for the Sr. Ops Officer) and a monitor for 2.5 years in the RV unit. I realize this contradicts a long list of his claims, but, the paperwork itself as well as testimony from at least nine of his former fellow soldiers (including those which equal or outrank him) demonstrates this. >He has made _many_ "predictions" based on RV that have come true. In fact, >from what I know of him he's pretty much always right on target. I actually thought you were kidding when I read this. I have tracked this subject assiduously for years. I have yet to see so much as one prediction Dames has made which has been true. I have of course seen innumerable stories published in SCIENCE and SCIENTIFIC AMERICAN and on CNN which Dames, anywhere from two weeks to two years AFTER they were published, then parroted as a "prediction" -- however since those were scientific and publicly made predictions long before he got them, I am tempted to refrain from granting him cosmic credit based on these. In fact I have quite a list of predictions he's made which did not pan out -- fortunately, since most of them are gory -- not to mention a whole slew of complete self-contradictions uttered during his various media appearances. But, I won't get into all that. Suffice to say that remote viewing is a legitimate subject, but there are a small number of legitimate people in the subject. If you attempted "Dames's Methods of TRV" -- which are outright plagiarized CRV methods from Ingo Swann, shameless -- and had success, I suggest you attribute it to some natural psi on your part, and not to the amazing guruship of your instructor. You'd be better off making a guru of your VCR frankly. You can find a tremendous amount of legitimate RV information at this web site: Firedocs Remote Viewing Collection http://www.paradigm-sys.com/firedocs/ PJ -----== Posted via Deja News, The Leader in Internet Discussion ==----- http://www.dejanews.com/rg_mkgrp.xp Create Your Own Free Member Forum