From: "Lone Wolf" Newsgroups: alt.out-of-body Subject: Thoughts after death Date: 21 Aug 1998 09:55:44 GMT Organization: Customer of Access One Pty Ltd, Melbourne, Australia Lines: 25 Message-ID: <01bdccea$67819100$LocalHost@newdmaxa> NNTP-Posting-Host: d90-1.cpe.ingham.aone.net.au X-Trace: news.mel.aone.net.au 903693344 23677 203.61.34.90 (21 Aug 1998 09:55:44 GMT) NNTP-Posting-Date: 21 Aug 1998 09:55:44 GMT X-Newsreader: Microsoft Internet News 4.70.1162 Path: ccw.ch!pfaff.ethz.ch!news-zh.switch.ch!news-ge.switch.ch!news.maxwell.syr.edu!news.mel.connect.com.au!news.mel.aone.net.au!newsfeed-in.aone.net.au!not-for-mail G'day When someone gets brain damage, they are unable to think clearly. People who are born with brain damage have difficulties in learning and understanding new things. When we die our brains shutdown completely, are we still able to think the same way that we do now? Or do we all just turn into a bunch of retards, forever wandering around not knowing or understanding what is going on around us. What happens to our memories of this life, are they stored in our physical brain or our consciousness? A few people have said that it is very hard to remember things about the physical world while OOB (such as their phone number), does anybody here have that problem? If people with brain disorders go OOB, do they think the same way we do when we are OOB? If we can find the answers to these questions, we will have definite proof to whether or not being OOB is real, or just created by the mind. If it can be proved that while OOB, people are not restricted by the defects of their brain, then we know for sure that OOBE's are real. However, teaching someone with learning disabilities how to go OOB could be very difficult. Maybe we could pull them out? From Wolfy ###### From: "lucid" References: <01bdccea$67819100$LocalHost@newdmaxa> Subject: Re: Thoughts after death Date: Fri, 21 Aug 1998 03:26:44 -0700 Lines: 34 X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.2106.4 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.2106.4 Message-ID: Newsgroups: alt.out-of-body NNTP-Posting-Host: 1Cust36.tnt1.scl1.da.uu.net [153.34.29.36] Path: ccw.ch!pfaff.ethz.ch!news-zh.switch.ch!news-ge.switch.ch!news.maxwell.syr.edu!newsfeed.internetmci.com!207.68.152.12!upnetnews01!upnetnews03 Lone Wolf wrote in message <01bdccea$67819100$LocalHost@newdmaxa>... >G'day > >When someone gets brain damage, they are unable to think clearly. People >who are born with brain damage have difficulties in learning and >understanding new things. When we die our brains shutdown completely, are >we still able to think the same way that we do now? We are more than our brains. We are more than our bodies. We are spiritual beings. Why do you want to depend on others' experiences on these important ideas? Find out for yourself by way of oobe. Self- knowledge is usually the best knowledge. In regard about forgetting your phone # while oobing. Try this experiment: Look back at rear view mirror in your car...now see the driver behind your car...now, quickly...could you tell which is on the left and which is on the right...If you're truthful, then you will notice that there is a moment where you couldn't really tell if the driver was sitting on the right or the left...a bit confusing isn't it? And this is just in this physical reality! Now, imagine that you have a nde or an oobe...where do you think you are now...definitely not in this physical reality any longer...now sit back and let this idea sink in a bit.............now to intergrate the two ideas...If you could easily get disoriented in our physical reality by being in a slight different situaltion...imagine how much disorientation if you are out of it... into a totally different dimensions...sometime we even forget who we are...much less our phone #. But with continuous experiences of the new environments...we will regain our focus and memories. Lucid ###### From: tlin2@umbc.edu (lin tong) Newsgroups: alt.out-of-body Subject: Re: Thoughts after death Date: 21 Aug 1998 14:06:10 GMT Organization: University of Maryland, Baltimore County Lines: 56 Message-ID: <6rjusi$1qe$1@news.umbc.edu> References: <01bdccea$67819100$LocalHost@newdmaxa> NNTP-Posting-Host: umbc8.umbc.edu X-Newsreader: TIN [version 1.2 PL2] Path: ccw.ch!pfaff.ethz.ch!news-zh.switch.ch!news.belnet.be!newsgate.cistron.nl!het.net!newsfeed.uk.ibm.net!ibm.net!news-feed.inet.tele.dk!bofh.vszbr.cz!cpk-news-hub1.bbnplanet.com!news.bbnplanet.com!feeder.qis.net!news.umbc.edu!tlin2 I think the real person inside our physical body is as great as God - we are God originally. Bible says we are the temple of God and God dwells within us. The reason why we stuck in the pity small physical world is our attachment and attention - we believe we are the body and we believe we are the thinking process inside our brain. So whenever the body and mind can't function properly, we think WE are getting sick. But the capability of the God within us is always there regardless our physical vehicle's status. Think of the relationship between car and its driver. With a damaged car, the driver might not be able to drive long distance, but his capability of driving has nothing to do with the problem of the car, right? Is there any driver so addictive to his car, thinking he IS the car? Yes. We are the puppet of the God, in a positive meaning. And the puppet is like a kind of Russian toy - layer and layer encapsulated. Tong lucid (chieu1@email.msn.com) wrote: : Lone Wolf wrote in message <01bdccea$67819100$LocalHost@newdmaxa>... : >G'day : > : >When someone gets brain damage, they are unable to think clearly. People : >who are born with brain damage have difficulties in learning and : >understanding new things. When we die our brains shutdown completely, are : >we still able to think the same way that we do now? : We are more than our brains. We are more than our bodies. We are spiritual : beings. Why do you want to depend on others' experiences on these important : ideas? Find out for yourself by way of oobe. Self- knowledge is usually : the best knowledge. : In regard about forgetting your phone # while oobing. : Try this experiment: Look back at rear view mirror in your car...now see : the driver behind your car...now, quickly...could you tell which is on the : left and which is on the right...If you're truthful, then you will notice : that there is a moment where you couldn't really tell if the driver was : sitting on the right or the left...a bit confusing isn't it? : And this is just in this physical reality! Now, imagine that you have a : nde or an oobe...where do you think you are now...definitely not in this : physical reality any longer...now sit back and let this idea sink in a : bit.............now to intergrate the two ideas...If you could easily get : disoriented in our physical reality by being in a slight different : situaltion...imagine how much disorientation if you are out of it... into a : totally different dimensions...sometime we even forget who we are...much : less our phone #. But with continuous experiences of the new : environments...we will regain our focus and memories. : Lucid ###### From: "Lone Wolf" Newsgroups: alt.out-of-body Subject: Re: Thoughts after death Date: 22 Aug 1998 06:00:54 GMT Organization: Customer of Access One Pty Ltd, Melbourne, Australia Lines: 32 Message-ID: <01bdcd69$afd9f940$LocalHost@newdmaxa> References: <01bdccea$67819100$LocalHost@newdmaxa> NNTP-Posting-Host: d78-1.cpe.ingham.aone.net.au X-Trace: news.mel.aone.net.au 903765654 11481 203.61.34.78 (22 Aug 1998 06:00:54 GMT) NNTP-Posting-Date: 22 Aug 1998 06:00:54 GMT X-Newsreader: Microsoft Internet News 4.70.1162 Path: ccw.ch!pfaff.ethz.ch!news-zh.switch.ch!news.belnet.be!news-raspail.gip.net!news-lond.gip.net!news.gsl.net!gip.net!btnet-peer!btnet!newsfeed.internetmci.com!205.252.116.205!howland.erols.net!newsfeed.concentric.net!news.mel.aone.net.au!newsfeed-in.aone.net.au!not-for-mail lucid wrote in article ... > We are more than our brains. We are more than our bodies. We are spiritual > beings. Why do you want to depend on others' experiences on these important > ideas? Find out for yourself by way of oobe. Self- knowledge is usually > the best knowledge. I agree. We are more than just a physical body, and the best way to learn something is through learning it yourself. However, at this point in time I still can't get out of my body, so I must rely on other peoples experiences in order to learn. If and when I do get out, then I can set about seeing which of the theories are true. besides, isn't the purpose of this group to share opinions and theories? I feel that the best way to go, is to listen to everybody's ideas, then follow the one that your experience tells you is true. > totally different dimensions...sometime we even forget who we are...much > less our phone #. But with continuous experiences of the new > environments...we will regain our focus and memories. So when people die they spend the first few days wandering around, not knowing who they are, then we regain our memories. Why doesn't our memories of our past spiritual life come back to us while here on the physical plane (that is if we did exist before this physical life). From Wolfy ###### From: "lucid" References: <01bdccea$67819100$LocalHost@newdmaxa> <01bdcd69$afd9f940$LocalHost@newdmaxa> Subject: Re: Thoughts after death Date: Sat, 22 Aug 1998 06:57:12 -0700 Lines: 92 X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.2106.4 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.2106.4 Message-ID: Newsgroups: alt.out-of-body NNTP-Posting-Host: 1Cust12.tnt1.scl1.da.uu.net [153.34.29.12] Path: ccw.ch!pfaff.ethz.ch!news-zh.switch.ch!news-ge.switch.ch!news.maxwell.syr.edu!newsfeed.internetmci.com!207.68.152.12!upnetnews01!upnetnews03 Lone Wolf wrote in message <01bdcd69$afd9f940$LocalHost@newdmaxa>... > > >lucid wrote in article >... > >I agree. We are more than just a physical body, and the best way to learn >something is through learning it yourself. However, at this point in time I >still can't get out of my body, so I must rely on other peoples experiences >in order to learn. If and when I do get out, then I can set about seeing >which of the theories are true. besides, isn't the purpose of this group to >share opinions and theories? Yes. But there are advantages and disadvantages to this. I feel that the best way to go, is to listen >to everybody's ideas, then follow the one that your experience tells you is >true. Well, with my new understanding now, I am resistant to said anything...not bc I am selfish...but bc it could easily influence your experiences. The strange thing about the astral world is that you will find what you seek...or believed(this statement is also a belief in itself:-). If someone told you that it will take you five years of hardwork to achieve oobe...and you believed it...then it probably will took you that long. Then someone else came along and told you that you can achieve oobe overnight...only if you are willing to drop your previous beliefs...then you will probably achieved that as well...see what I am saying? Another example...Someone awhile back stated that you CAN'T say your name in the ld..bc it will cause you to wake up right away. After I read this...I had a ld and try to said my name out loud...yup...the ground did shook a bit...then I woke up. Then I read later in Dr. LaBerge bood(Exploring the World of Lucid Dream or ETWOLD) that he don't have that trouble. Then I tried again...and sure enough...I said my name out loud 2-3 times and nothing happen...??? See how your beliefs can limit you here? >> totally different dimensions...sometime we even forget who we are...much >> less our phone #. But with continuous experiences of the new >> environments...we will regain our focus and memories. > >So when people die they spend the first few days wandering around, not >knowing who they are, then we regain our memories. My experience( and only my experience) on this: When I got out the first time...eventhough I got out consciously...I was confuse to where I was...what I am...who I am..I always believed before that time that I was my body and especially my brain...so when I am out of my body...it just confuse the hell out of me...I am over here and yet my body and brain is lying on my bed...how can this be? I could understand how ppl can walk around confuse when they died without ever having any prior expriences of oobe or nde and if they have the prior beliefs that you are a blob of chemicals that desintergrated when you died. The new environment did not help the confusion either. For example...think back of the time...the very FIRST time that you dive under the water...remember how confuse that was...you probably lost your orientation for awhile...right? The same thing will happen(to a greater degree of course) to you in these new dimensions...It took me a while, but I finally got used to it....I now usually just sat up and walk away from my physical body...knowing who I am...and where I am (well, at least in my bed room...until I walk outside :-) Why doesn't our memories >of our past spiritual life come back to us while here on the physical plane >(that is if we did exist before this physical life). Memories of our past lives do came back...in our dreams...during quiet moments such as meditations or just ordinary daydreams. Most of these experiences were missed bc of our current beliefs...it filter out what we saw. For example...have you ever came to a friend house and he ask you to get something(such as a scott tape) from the shelf in his room. You went in...searched and searched...then told him that you couldn't find anything...then he went in and grabbed the tape on the same shelf..right in front of your nose. Why is that? was that tape just magically appeared...or did you just missed it bc of your beliefs :-) Another example is that one picture that you usually see in psychology books...you know...the picture where you can see both a young and an old lady in the same picuture. The first time you look at it...you probably see only one...either young lady or an old lady...until someone point out the other one. The point is that as you begin to pay attention to these metaphysical experience...you will find that you always had these abilities before. Some ppl had said that they had an ld just from reading the night before obout what an ld is. Final observation: Your beliefs will determined most of your experiences...so it is much better to keep it flexible. Lucid ###### From: "Lone Wolf" Newsgroups: alt.out-of-body Subject: Re: Thoughts after death Date: 23 Aug 1998 05:36:03 GMT Organization: Customer of Access One Pty Ltd, Melbourne, Australia Lines: 103 Message-ID: <01bdce38$c506f5a0$LocalHost@newdmaxa> References: <01bdccea$67819100$LocalHost@newdmaxa> <01bdcd69$afd9f940$LocalHost@newdmaxa> NNTP-Posting-Host: d74-1.cpe.ingham.aone.net.au X-Trace: news.mel.aone.net.au 903850563 15538 203.61.34.74 (23 Aug 1998 05:36:03 GMT) NNTP-Posting-Date: 23 Aug 1998 05:36:03 GMT X-Newsreader: Microsoft Internet News 4.70.1162 Path: ccw.ch!pfaff.ethz.ch!news-zh.switch.ch!news-ge.switch.ch!news.maxwell.syr.edu!feed2.news.erols.com!erols!newsfeed.concentric.net!news.mel.aone.net.au!newsfeed-in.aone.net.au!not-for-mail > >lucid wrote in article > >... > > > Well, with my new understanding now, I am resistant to said anything...not > bc I am selfish...but bc it could easily influence your experiences. The > strange thing about the astral world is that you will find what you > seek...or believed(this statement is also a belief in itself:-). If someone > told you that it will take you five years of hardwork to achieve oobe...and > you believed it...then it probably will took you that long. Then someone > else came along and told you that you can achieve oobe overnight...only if > you are willing to drop your previous beliefs...then you will probably > achieved that as well...see what I am saying? Yep. > Another example...Someone awhile back stated that you CAN'T say your name in > the ld..bc it will cause you to wake up right away. After I read this...I > had a ld and try to said my name out loud...yup...the ground did shook a > bit...then I woke up. Then I read later in Dr. LaBerge bood(Exploring the > World of Lucid Dream or ETWOLD) that he don't have that trouble. Then I > tried again...and sure enough...I said my name out loud 2-3 times and > nothing happen...??? See how your beliefs can limit you here? That's because LD's are controlled by the mind. Whatever you expect to happen, will happen. The hard part for me is to do this in the physical, go to sleep expecting to go OOB. After trying for a month with no success, it is hard to expect it to happen all of a sudden, though that is what you must do. > My experience( and only my experience) on this: When I got out the first > time...eventhough I got out consciously...I was confuse to where I > was...what I am...who I am..I always believed before that time that I was my > body and especially my brain...so when I am out of my body...it just confuse > the hell out of me...I am over here and yet my body and brain is lying on my > bed...how can this be? I could understand how ppl can walk around confuse > when they died without ever having any prior expriences of oobe or nde and > if they have the prior beliefs that you are a blob of chemicals that > desintergrated when you died. The new environment did not help the > confusion either. For example...think back of the time...the very FIRST > time that you dive under the water...remember how confuse that was...you > probably lost your orientation for awhile...right? I can't remember back that far :-) The same thing will > happen(to a greater degree of course) to you in these new dimensions...It > took me a while, but I finally got used to it....I now usually just sat up > and walk away from my physical body...knowing who I am...and where I am > (well, at least in my bed room...until I walk outside :-) So if while in the astral, we just expect the unexpected, we should not have a problem. > For example...have you ever came to a friend house and he ask you to > get something(such as a scott tape) from the shelf in his room. You went > in...searched and searched...then told him that you couldn't find > anything...then he went in and grabbed the tape on the same shelf..right in > front of your nose. Unfortunately, this happens quite a bit. > Why is that? was that tape just magically > appeared Well that's the excuse I use :-) > ...or did you just missed it bc of your beliefs :-) Another example > is that one picture that you usually see in psychology books...you > know...the picture where you can see both a young and an old lady in the > same picuture. The first time you look at it...you probably see only > one...either young lady or an old lady...until someone point out the other > one. No, actually I first saw the old lady, then I went away for a while. When I came back I saw a picture of a young lady, I then went around trying to find out who had switched papers on me. > Final observation: Your beliefs will determined most of your > experiences...so it is much better to keep it flexible. I'll keep my mind flexible on that observation :-) From Wolfy ###### From: Ken Czepelka Newsgroups: alt.out-of-body Subject: Re: Thoughts after death Date: Sun, 23 Aug 1998 22:57:05 -0600 Organization: Sound Sculpture Lines: 77 Message-ID: <35E0F2A1.687CA020@soundsculpture.com> References: <01bdccea$67819100$LocalHost@newdmaxa> NNTP-Posting-Host: pm1-ppp136-188.privatei.com Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.04 [en] (Win95; I) Path: ccw.ch!pfaff.ethz.ch!news-zh.switch.ch!news.belnet.be!newsgate.cistron.nl!het.net!newsfeed.uk.ibm.net!ibm.net!europa.clark.net!128.230.129.106!news.maxwell.syr.edu!newsfeed.frii.net!beetle.privatei.com!not-for-mail Lone Wolf wrote: > > G'day Hi, > When someone gets brain damage, they are unable to think clearly. People > who are born with brain damage have difficulties in learning and > understanding new things. When we die our brains shutdown completely, are > we still able to think the same way that we do now? Or do we all just turn > into a bunch of retards, forever wandering around not knowing or > understanding what is going on around us. I think that during OBE the universal consiousness of which we are a part still uses the brain as input. Upon death, the brain no longer stimulates the thoughts of the universal consiousness and so our thoughts will likely be different. More symbolic and with far more understanding then when we use our brain which is more word oriented. The brain is nothing more than electrical and chemical activity. Don't confuse this with thought. Thought is something inherent, (in different degrees) in the universal consciousness stimulated by the activity of the brain to different degrees while alive and stimulated in other ways when dead. > > What happens to our memories of this life, are they stored in our physical > brain or our consciousness? Memories can only be stored in consciousness. The brain cannot have memories, it can only stimulate them. The brain cannot see red, it can only stimulate the sensation of red in your consciousness. When the brain dies, you will still be able to see red stimulated by other physically based stimulation or by non-physically base stimulation. A few people have said that it is very hard to > remember things about the physical world while OOB (such as their phone > number), does anybody here have that problem? I find that some things are amazingly easy to remember and other things are either forgotten or take on a different priority. > > If people with brain disorders go OOB, do they think the same way we do > when we are OOB? Probably not since in OBE you might still receive stimulation by the brain. If we can find the answers to these questions, we will > have definite proof to whether or not being OOB is real, or just created by > the mind. If it can be proved that while OOB, people are not restricted by > the defects of their brain, then we know for sure that OOBE's are real. Yes, but if it turns out that indeed the brain influences our thoughts while OBE, as I suspect it does, then we will have no such proof. > > However, teaching someone with learning disabilities how to go OOB could be > very difficult. Maybe we could pull them out? Maybe. > > From > Wolfy Ken "The speed of time is one second per second." -unknown "Everything should be as simple as possible but not one bit simpler." -Albert Einstein ###### From: Ken Czepelka Newsgroups: alt.out-of-body Subject: Re: Thoughts after death Date: Sun, 23 Aug 1998 23:11:37 -0600 Organization: Sound Sculpture Lines: 45 Message-ID: <35E0F609.EAB03FCB@soundsculpture.com> References: <01bdccea$67819100$LocalHost@newdmaxa> <01bdcd69$afd9f940$LocalHost@newdmaxa> NNTP-Posting-Host: pm1-ppp136-188.privatei.com Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.04 [en] (Win95; I) Path: ccw.ch!pfaff.ethz.ch!news-zh.switch.ch!news.belnet.be!newspump.monmouth.com!newspeer.monmouth.com!newsfeed.internetmci.com!204.71.60.1!newsfeed.frii.net!beetle.privatei.com!not-for-mail Lone Wolf wrote: > So when people die they spend the first few days wandering around, not > knowing who they are, I don't think that wondering who they are is an issue at this point. There are grander thoughts going on in forms unfamiliar to you right now. > then we regain our memories. If our memories are stimulated then yes. Why doesn't our memories > of our past spiritual life come back to us while here on the physical plane Because our existance as we know it is defined by the interaction of the universal consiousness and our brain. So our reality is limited to the action of the brain. We have no knowledge of past lives because the memories are not stimulated into our existance. This is left for special conditions and for times after death. During OBE, since the interaction with our brains is lessened, it is possible that a lot of what goes on is stimulation of these past (or future) memories leading to the vastness of that realm. I hadn't thought of this before, but perhaps a lot of what I experience while OBE is just that, long lost memories. It seems in my OBE's there is an excess of people dressing differently. I took this to be other worldly dress, but perhaps it is time related. Thanks for that bit of insight. I will have to look into this with more depth during my next OBE. Cool. > (that is if we did exist before this physical life). Yes, this is assuming that. > > From > Wolfy Ken "Everything should be as simple as possible but not one bit simpler." -Albert Einstein ###### From: "Lone Wolf" Newsgroups: alt.out-of-body Subject: Re: Thoughts after death Date: 24 Aug 1998 10:05:19 GMT Organization: Customer of Access One Pty Ltd, Melbourne, Australia Lines: 30 Message-ID: <01bdcf41$c8278920$LocalHost@newdmaxa> References: <01bdccea$67819100$LocalHost@newdmaxa> <01bdcd69$afd9f940$LocalHost@newdmaxa> <35E0F609.EAB03FCB@soundsculpture.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: d80-1.cpe.ingham.aone.net.au X-Trace: news.mel.aone.net.au 903953119 12520 203.61.34.80 (24 Aug 1998 10:05:19 GMT) NNTP-Posting-Date: 24 Aug 1998 10:05:19 GMT X-Newsreader: Microsoft Internet News 4.70.1162 Path: ccw.ch!pfaff.ethz.ch!news-zh.switch.ch!news-ge.switch.ch!news.maxwell.syr.edu!news.mel.connect.com.au!news.mel.aone.net.au!newsfeed-in.aone.net.au!not-for-mail Ken Czepelka wrote in article <35E0F609.EAB03FCB@soundsculpture.com>... > > Because our existance as we know it is defined by the interaction of the > universal consiousness and our brain. So our reality is limited to the > action of the brain. We have no knowledge of past lives because the > memories are not stimulated into our existance. This is left for > special conditions and for times after death. During OBE, since the > interaction with our brains is lessened, it is possible that a lot of > what goes on is stimulation of these past (or future) memories leading > to the vastness of that realm. I hadn't thought of this before, but > perhaps a lot of what I experience while OBE is just that, long lost > memories. It seems in my OBE's there is an excess of people dressing > differently. I took this to be other worldly dress, but perhaps it is > time related. Thanks for that bit of insight. I will have to look into > this with more depth during my next OBE. Cool. I will look into these things myself if I ever manage to leave this damn physical body. Hopefully in a number of short trips rather than a permanent one :-) From Wolfy ###### From: johnf@melbpc.org.au (John Fitzsimons) Newsgroups: alt.out-of-body Subject: Re: Thoughts after death Date: Fri, 28 Aug 1998 22:09:57 GMT Organization: Melbourne PC User Group Inc, Australia Lines: 33 Message-ID: <35e6f5ed.1257022@news.melbpc.org.au> References: <01bdccea$67819100$LocalHost@newdmaxa> <01bdcd69$afd9f940$LocalHost@newdmaxa> NNTP-Posting-Host: dingo3.melbpc.org.au Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Newsreader: Forte Agent 1.5/32.451 Path: ccw.ch!pfaff.ethz.ch!news-zh.switch.ch!news-ge.switch.ch!news.maxwell.syr.edu!news.mel.connect.com.au!news2.melbpc.org.au!not-for-mail On 22 Aug 1998 06:00:54 GMT, "Lone Wolf" wrote: >lucid wrote in article >... < snip > >> totally different dimensions...sometime we even forget who we are...much >> less our phone #. But with continuous experiences of the new >> environments...we will regain our focus and memories. >So when people die they spend the first few days wandering around, not >knowing who they are, then we regain our memories. Nope. That happens to some people, not all people. >Why doesn't our memories >of our past spiritual life come back to us while here on the physical plane >(that is if we did exist before this physical life). They do. Many people who do past life regression work return people to the pre-birth state. Regards, John. **************************************************** ,-._|\ John Fitzsimons - Melbourne, Australia. / Oz \ johnf@melbpc.org.au, Fidonet 3:632/309 \_,--.x/ http://www.vicnet.net.au/~johnf/welcome.htm v http://www.alphalink.com.au/~johnf/