From: haribol@rocketmail.com Newsgroups: alt.out-of-body,alt.dreams.lucid Subject: Crystals helping? Date: Thu, 13 Aug 1998 13:47:57 GMT Organization: Deja News - The Leader in Internet Discussion Lines: 8 Message-ID: <6quqqd$nic$1@nnrp1.dejanews.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: 193.84.105.148 X-Article-Creation-Date: Thu Aug 13 13:47:57 1998 GMT X-Http-User-Agent: Mozilla/4.5b1 [en] (Win98; I) X-Http-Proxy: 1.0 cache.sh.cvut.cz:3128 (Squid/1.1.21) for client 194.108.141.131 Path: ccw.ch!pfaff.ethz.ch!news-zh.switch.ch!news.belnet.be!newspump.monmouth.com!newspeer.monmouth.com!news-feeds.jump.net!nntp2.dejanews.com!nnrp1.dejanews.com!not-for-mail Hello OOBE'ers! Please tell me which crystals and gems are helpful (if any) for inducing and/or prolonging OOBE/AP/LD? Or at least show me some authoritative source on Web. Thanks, Alex -----== Posted via Deja News, The Leader in Internet Discussion ==----- http://www.dejanews.com/rg_mkgrp.xp Create Your Own Free Member Forum ###### From: "Daan van Yperen" Newsgroups: alt.out-of-body,alt.dreams.lucid Subject: Re: Crystals helping? Date: Thu, 13 Aug 1998 10:22:01 +0200 Organization: bART Internet Services Lines: 16 Message-ID: <6qvhdc$9p5$1@news.bart.net> References: <6quqqd$nic$1@nnrp1.dejanews.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: s171.denhaag.bart.nl X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.3110.1 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.3110.3 Path: ccw.ch!pfaff.ethz.ch!news-zh.switch.ch!news-ge.switch.ch!news-fra1.dfn.de!news-kar1.dfn.de!news-was.dfn.de!nntp-out.monmouth.com!newspeer.monmouth.com!rill.news.pipex.net!pipex!sun4nl!surfnet.nl!news.nic.utwente.nl!news.cs.utwente.nl!newsfeed.iae.nl!newshub.bart.net!news.bart.net!not-for-mail >Please tell me which crystals and gems are helpful (if any) for inducing >and/or prolonging OOBE/AP/LD? Or at least show me some authoritative source >on Web. Thanks, Alex Anybody know the theory behind the above? (Why do crystals prolong OBE?). is it like a placebo? -- Diamond in the rough, Daan van Yperen daan.van.yperen@hempseed.com http://members.xoom.com/dyper haribol@rocketmail.com wrote in message <6quqqd$nic$1@nnrp1.dejanews.com>... ###### From: hawksmoor@dial.pipex.com (Julia Hawkes-Moore) Newsgroups: alt.out-of-body,alt.dreams.lucid Subject: Re: Crystals helping? Date: Thu, 13 Aug 1998 20:38:04 GMT Organization: UUNET UK server (post doesn't reflect views of UUNET UK) Lines: 68 Message-ID: <35d34dbc.25641351@news.dial.pipex.com> References: <6quqqd$nic$1@nnrp1.dejanews.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: usern347.uk.uudial.com X-Newsreader: Forte Free Agent 1.1/16.230 Path: ccw.ch!pfaff.ethz.ch!news-zh.switch.ch!news-ge.switch.ch!newsfeed.uk.ibm.net!ibm.net!nntp.news.xara.net!xara.net!rill.news.pipex.net!pipex!bore.news.pipex.net!pipex!not-for-mail On Thu, 13 Aug 1998 13:47:57 GMT, haribol@rocketmail.com wrote: >Please tell me which crystals and gems are helpful (if any) for inducing >and/or prolonging OOBE/AP/LD? Or at least show me some authoritative source >on Web. Thanks, Alex There is something very strange and powerful going on with Selenite Wands. Selenite is a form of fibrous gypsum. My new Selenit Wand was seen distinctly by Beth when I visited her in Utah from the UK. My previous wand has a tale worth retelling: One full moon several of us flew over to haunt Silk's bonfire in Tennessee, and Trish found a 'home-made magic wand' lying on the ground. I asked: Was the magic wand about 15cms long, 1cm wide, translucent, white >and flat, with rainbows running up and down it? I bought a wand of >selenite about 11pm last night after attending a workshop in which my >chakras were most spectacularly opened and balanced with heat, light >and colour by a large selenite wand. I slept with it on my breast, >between heart and solar plexus chakra. Did I drop it, then? Keep it as >a present! :-) And Trish replied: Wow Julia! I remember it being almost opaque in color. And yes, that's exactly the right size! I just found it, lying there on the ground.Not sure whose it was! I had only just bought it (very cheap, half the price of a decent paperback book) that night. I usually 'choose' my crystals, but this one chose me. The group of meditators I was with had passed this around, bought other ones, and several people complained how itchy and tingly this one was. They were putting it back in the case, when I said "Does no-one else want it, poor thing? I'll have it." and bought it, although it didn't tingle for me. I usually cleanse, programme and charge my crystals, but that night I just used it straight from the shop (nice shop!) as I was feeling so good after the large selenite wand 'tuned me up'. In exchange, the wand flew me to the meeting and then took on an independent existance! The excellent book 'Love is in the earth' by Melody has a lot of interesting information about selenite: Amngst other virtues, selenite: "provides for clarity of mind, expanding one's awareness of the self and of one's surroundings. It can be used to access past-lives as well as future lives - the future lives being those which are probable at this time, if one's physical life proceeds in the direction in which it is now going. The access is provided by rubbing ...with a finger or thumb (not fingernail)... when the meditative state is obtained, the visiual images will begin... the access to the future is very compatible with this life - one will be presented with situations which are very likely to occur during this life on this plane (again, dependent upon the course of progree one chooses). ...Selenite has been used as a sharp sword of awareness, cutting through unconscious assumptions and promoting the re-connection between the conscious self and the mystic which lives in the super-consciousness. ...Allows one to see the inner workings of any situation and to understand the superficial AND the deeper meanings inherent in same. It also allows one to access the interior of the physical body in order to understand existing disorders, providing information with respect to the 'fix'.... It has also been used to extend one's life span. Vibrates to the number 8." So, all rush out and buy yourselves selenite wands, eh! Look, Lars, no drugs! All best wishes, Julia HM. ###### From: "bugg" Subject: Re: Crystals helping? Newsgroups: alt.out-of-body,alt.dreams.lucid References: <6quqqd$nic$1@nnrp1.dejanews.com> Message-ID: <01bdc6fe$ece279a0$5e890218@c705742-a.hftdw1.ct.home.com> X-Newsreader: Microsoft Internet News 4.70.1162 Lines: 17 Date: Thu, 13 Aug 1998 21:10:06 GMT NNTP-Posting-Host: 24.2.137.94 NNTP-Posting-Date: Thu, 13 Aug 1998 14:10:06 PDT Organization: @Home Network Path: ccw.ch!pfaff.ethz.ch!news-zh.switch.ch!news-ge.switch.ch!newsfeed.uk.ibm.net!ibm.net!news-lond.gip.net!news-peer.gip.net!news.gsl.net!gip.net!newsfeed.internetmci.com!207.217.77.43!newsfeed1.earthlink.net!newsfeed.concentric.net!newsfeed.concentric.net!newshub2.home.com!news.home.com!news.rdc1.ct.home.com.POSTED!not-for-mail crystal=power of suggestion therefore any crystal has the capability to aid in inducing OBEs or LDs. bugg haribol@rocketmail.com wrote in article <6quqqd$nic$1@nnrp1.dejanews.com>... > Hello OOBE'ers! > > Please tell me which crystals and gems are helpful (if any) for inducing > and/or prolonging OOBE/AP/LD? Or at least show me some authoritative source > on Web. Thanks, Alex > > -----== Posted via Deja News, The Leader in Internet Discussion ==----- > http://www.dejanews.com/rg_mkgrp.xp Create Your Own Free Member Forum > ###### From: "bugg" Subject: Re: Crystals helping? Newsgroups: alt.out-of-body,alt.dreams.lucid References: <6quqqd$nic$1@nnrp1.dejanews.com> <01bdc6fe$ece279a0$5e890218@c705742-a.hftdw1.ct.home.com> <35d36b7b.0@d2o204.telia.com> Message-ID: <01bdc71a$eed5ad60$5e890218@c705742-a.hftdw1.ct.home.com> X-Newsreader: Microsoft Internet News 4.70.1162 Lines: 18 Date: Fri, 14 Aug 1998 00:30:31 GMT NNTP-Posting-Host: 24.2.137.94 NNTP-Posting-Date: Thu, 13 Aug 1998 17:30:31 PDT Organization: @Home Network Path: ccw.ch!pfaff.ethz.ch!news-zh.switch.ch!news.belnet.be!newspump.monmouth.com!newspeer.monmouth.com!howland.erols.net!newshub2.home.com!news.home.com!news.rdc1.ct.home.com.POSTED!not-for-mail can you please explain what an orgone energy source is? or was that just a typo? thanks, bugg Lars Rune Foleide wrote in article <35d36b7b.0@d2o204.telia.com>... > Crystal=Orgone Energy source.... > Quote: > ">therefore any crystal has the capability to aid in inducing OBEs or LDs." > > (Might as well add magnets...) > > Regards, > Lars ###### From: "Lars Rune Foleide" Newsgroups: alt.out-of-body,alt.dreams.lucid References: <6quqqd$nic$1@nnrp1.dejanews.com> <01bdc6fe$ece279a0$5e890218@c705742-a.hftdw1.ct.home.com> Subject: Re: Crystals helping? Date: Fri, 14 Aug 1998 00:43:52 +0200 Lines: 18 X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.3105.0 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.3105.0 NNTP-Posting-Host: t8o204p51.telia.com X-NNTP-Posting-Host: t8o204p51.telia.com Message-ID: <35d36b7b.0@d2o204.telia.com> X-Complaints-To: abuse@telia.no Path: ccw.ch!pfaff.ethz.ch!news-zh.switch.ch!news.belnet.be!news-raspail.gip.net!news.gsl.net!gip.net!newscore.univie.ac.at!uninett.no!newsfeed2.telia.com!d2o204.telia.com!t8o204p51.telia.com bugg wrote in message <01bdc6fe$ece279a0$5e890218@c705742- >crystal=power of suggestion >therefore any crystal has the capability to aid in inducing OBEs or LDs. > >bugg > Crystal=Orgone Energy source.... Quote: ">therefore any crystal has the capability to aid in inducing OBEs or LDs." (Might as well add magnets...) Regards, Lars ###### From: mike@speck.demon.co.uk Newsgroups: alt.out-of-body,alt.dreams.lucid Subject: Re: Crystals helping? Date: Fri, 14 Aug 1998 09:35:59 GMT Organization: Deja News - The Leader in Internet Discussion Lines: 78 Message-ID: <6r10e0$oug$1@nnrp1.dejanews.com> References: <6quqqd$nic$1@nnrp1.dejanews.com> <35d34dbc.25641351@news.dial.pipex.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: 192.58.194.87 X-Article-Creation-Date: Fri Aug 14 09:35:59 1998 GMT X-Http-User-Agent: Mozilla/4.5b1 [en] (WinNT; I) Path: ccw.ch!pfaff.ethz.ch!news-zh.switch.ch!news-ge.switch.ch!newscore.univie.ac.at!btnet-peer!btnet!newshub.northeast.verio.net!newspeer.monmouth.com!nntp2.dejanews.com!nnrp1.dejanews.com!not-for-mail In article <35d34dbc.25641351@news.dial.pipex.com>, hawksmoor@dial.pipex.com (Julia Hawkes-Moore) wrote: > On Thu, 13 Aug 1998 13:47:57 GMT, haribol@rocketmail.com wrote: > >Please tell me which crystals and gems are helpful (if any) for inducing > >and/or prolonging OOBE/AP/LD? Or at least show me some authoritative source > >on Web. Thanks, Alex > > There is something very strange and powerful going on with Selenite > Wands. Selenite is a form of fibrous gypsum. My new Selenit Wand was > seen distinctly by Beth when I visited her in Utah from the UK. My > previous wand has a tale worth retelling: > > One full moon several of us flew over to haunt Silk's bonfire in > Tennessee, and Trish found a 'home-made magic wand' lying on the > ground. > I asked: > Was the magic wand about 15cms long, 1cm wide, translucent, white > >and flat, with rainbows running up and down it? I bought a wand of > >selenite about 11pm last night after attending a workshop in which my > >chakras were most spectacularly opened and balanced with heat, light > >and colour by a large selenite wand. I slept with it on my breast, > >between heart and solar plexus chakra. Did I drop it, then? Keep it as > >a present! :-) > And Trish replied: > Wow Julia! I remember it being almost opaque in color. And yes, > that's exactly the right size! I just found it, lying there on the > ground.Not sure whose it was! > > I had only just bought it (very cheap, half the price of a decent > paperback book) that night. I usually 'choose' my crystals, but this > one chose me. The group of meditators I was with had passed this > around, bought other ones, and several people complained how itchy and > tingly this one was. > They were putting it back in the case, when I said "Does no-one else > want it, poor thing? I'll have it." and bought it, although it didn't > tingle for me. I usually cleanse, programme and charge my crystals, > but that night I just used it straight from the shop (nice shop!) as I > was feeling so good after the large selenite wand 'tuned me up'. In > exchange, the wand flew me to the meeting and then took on an > independent existance! > The excellent book 'Love is in the earth' by Melody has a lot of > interesting information about selenite: > Amngst other virtues, selenite: > "provides for clarity of mind, expanding one's awareness of the self > and of one's surroundings. It can be used to access past-lives as well > as future lives - the future lives being those which are probable at > this time, if one's physical life proceeds in the direction in which > it is now going. The access is provided by rubbing ...with a finger or > thumb (not fingernail)... when the meditative state is obtained, the > visiual images will begin... the access to the future is very > compatible with this life - one will be presented with situations > which are very likely to occur during this life on this plane (again, > dependent upon the course of progree one chooses). > ...Selenite has been used as a sharp sword of awareness, cutting > through unconscious assumptions and promoting the re-connection > between the conscious self and the mystic which lives in the > super-consciousness. > ...Allows one to see the inner workings of any situation and to > understand the superficial AND the deeper meanings inherent in same. > It also allows one to access the interior of the physical body in > order to understand existing disorders, providing information with > respect to the 'fix'.... It has also been used to extend one's life > span. Vibrates to the number 8." > So, all rush out and buy yourselves selenite wands, eh! > Look, Lars, no drugs! > All best wishes, Julia HM. > > Julia, Have you any idea where to actually buy one as I am rather interested. Mike -----== Posted via Deja News, The Leader in Internet Discussion ==----- http://www.dejanews.com/rg_mkgrp.xp Create Your Own Free Member Forum ###### From: "Lars Rune Foleide" Newsgroups: alt.out-of-body,alt.dreams.lucid References: <6quqqd$nic$1@nnrp1.dejanews.com> <01bdc6fe$ece279a0$5e890218@c705742-a.hftdw1.ct.home.com> <35d36b7b.0@d2o204.telia.com> <01bdc71a$eed5ad60$5e890218@c705742-a.hftdw1.ct.home.com> Subject: Re: Crystals helping? Date: Fri, 14 Aug 1998 10:21:24 +0200 Lines: 24 X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.3105.0 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.3105.0 NNTP-Posting-Host: t4o204p32.telia.com X-NNTP-Posting-Host: t4o204p32.telia.com Message-ID: <35d3f2d6.0@d2o204.telia.com> X-Complaints-To: abuse@telia.no Path: ccw.ch!pfaff.ethz.ch!news-zh.switch.ch!news-ge.switch.ch!newscore.univie.ac.at!europa.clark.net!194.182.148.154!news-feed.inet.tele.dk!bofh.vszbr.cz!masternews.telia.net!newsfeed2.telia.com!d2o204.telia.com!t4o204p32.telia.com bugg wrote in message <01bdc71a$eed5ad60$5e890218@c705742- >can you please explain what an orgone energy source is? or was that just a >typo? > >thanks, >bugg > Typo? You rarely get that from me.... :) Orgone energy is a high vibrational frequency. Our chakras is high concentration of orgone energy. There is a lot that affects these chakras, like magnetic fields and electrical fields. If you want to work on these chakras, then using additional orgone source can be helpful. Crystals and Magnets are good for this. Hope this help, Lars ###### From: Ken S. Newsgroups: alt.out-of-body Subject: Re: Crystals helping? Date: 14 Aug 1998 10:29:10 PDT Organization: Concentric Internet Services Lines: 14 Message-ID: <35d47369.42070462@news.ke9nr.org> References: <6quqqd$nic$1@nnrp1.dejanews.com> <35d34dbc.25641351@news.dial.pipex.com> <6r10e0$oug$1@nnrp1.dejanews.com> <35d442e4.19126697@news.dial.pipex.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: ts004d32.las-nv.concentric.net Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Newsreader: Forte Agent 1.5/16.451 Path: ccw.ch!pfaff.ethz.ch!news-zh.switch.ch!news.belnet.be!news-raspail.gip.net!news-peer.gip.net!news.gsl.net!gip.net!howland.erols.net!newsfeed.concentric.net!207.155.183.80.MISMATCH!global-news-master Hi Julia - On Fri, 14 Aug 1998 14:02:53 GMT, hawksmoor@dial.pipex.com (Julia Hawkes-Moore) wrote: > There are several in 'Diana's Joy' Saffron Walden, about £10. My >first one was small, £2.99 but I dropped it and it shattered. Most >crystal stalls and shops will order them for you. Good luck! The only one I have seen was for $375.00 USD. Needless to say, I didn't buy it! The Other Ken http://www.ke9nr.org/ ###### From: hawksmoor@dial.pipex.com (Julia Hawkes-Moore) Newsgroups: alt.out-of-body,alt.dreams.lucid Subject: Re: Crystals helping? Date: Fri, 14 Aug 1998 14:02:53 GMT Organization: UUNET UK server (post doesn't reflect views of UUNET UK) Lines: 7 Message-ID: <35d442e4.19126697@news.dial.pipex.com> References: <6quqqd$nic$1@nnrp1.dejanews.com> <35d34dbc.25641351@news.dial.pipex.com> <6r10e0$oug$1@nnrp1.dejanews.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: userl287.uk.uudial.com X-Newsreader: Forte Free Agent 1.1/16.230 Path: ccw.ch!pfaff.ethz.ch!news-zh.switch.ch!news-ge.switch.ch!feed1.news.luth.se!luth.se!masternews.telia.net!newsfeed1.swip.net!swipnet!rill.news.pipex.net!pipex!bore.news.pipex.net!pipex!not-for-mail On Fri, 14 Aug 1998 09:35:59 GMT, mike@speck.demon.co.uk wrote: >Have you any idea where to actually buy one as I am rather interested. There are several in 'Diana's Joy' Saffron Walden, about £10. My first one was small, £2.99 but I dropped it and it shattered. Most crystal stalls and shops will order them for you. Good luck! JHM ###### From: gerrit@auracom.com (Gerrit Deppe) Newsgroups: alt.out-of-body,alt.dreams.lucid Subject: Re: Crystals helping? Date: 14 Aug 1998 18:52:36 GMT Organization: Interhop Lines: 15 Message-ID: References: <6quqqd$nic$1@nnrp1.dejanews.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: ts4-d15.hfx.auracom.com Path: ccw.ch!pfaff.ethz.ch!news-zh.switch.ch!news.belnet.be!news-raspail.gip.net!news-peer.gip.net!news.gsl.net!gip.net!cyclone.news.idirect.com!newsfeed.torontointernetxchange.net!news.auracom.net!ts4-d15.hfx.auracom.com!user In article <6quqqd$nic$1@nnrp1.dejanews.com>, haribol@rocketmail.com wrote: >Hello OOBE'ers! > >Please tell me which crystals and gems are helpful (if any) for inducing >and/or prolonging OOBE/AP/LD? Or at least show me some authoritative source >on Web. Thanks, Alex Try the "free" crystal. You pay no money... and its available 24 hours a day. keep your "eyes" open... and stay tuned! G. ###### From: "popford" Newsgroups: alt.out-of-body,alt.dreams.lucid Subject: Re: Crystals helping? Date: Fri, 14 Aug 1998 21:58:54 +0930 Organization: Woodside Offshore Petroleum Lines: 36 Message-ID: <6r1frf$3qe$1@news.wantree.com.au> References: <6quqqd$nic$1@nnrp1.dejanews.com> <6qvhdc$9p5$1@news.bart.net> NNTP-Posting-Host: per3-161.wantree.com.au X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.2106.4 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.2106.4 Path: ccw.ch!pfaff.ethz.ch!news-zh.switch.ch!news.belnet.be!newspump.monmouth.com!newspeer.monmouth.com!newsfeed.wli.net!207.12.55.133!news-peer-west.sprintlink.net!news.sprintlink.net!newsfeed.concentric.net!news.mel.aone.net.au!newsfeed-in.aone.net.au!news.mel.connect.com.au!news.per.connect.com.au!news.waia.asn.au!news.wantree.com.au!not-for-mail > >Anybody know the theory behind the above? (Why do crystals prolong OBE?). is >it like a placebo? > >-- >Diamond in the rough, >Daan van Yperen Hi Daan, I think the main reason why they help to prolong OBE/LD is because they conduct and amplify higher vibrational energies so well....the energy can be transferred into the astral body through the chakras..or simply by having the crystals nearby...and it takes quite a bit of energy to stay lucid or use our out-of-body abilities (at least in my experience). Recently I started using a piece of on Amethyst geode on my third eye and a piece of Apophylite (spelling right?) on my heart chakra..(I charge them with reiki before I use them)and have been able to get out of-body a lot easier. (although I still can't stay out for more than what seems like about 10 seconds because I keep thinking I'll get pulled back into my body and that's exactly what thinking about it does.) hope that answered your query. wishing you long and fruitful OBEs, Rohan Ford PS. your COMMAND YOU post has worked so far. I hammered your message into my subconscious...and I have got out twice since! Great idea..thanks man!