From: "Daan van Yperen" Newsgroups: alt.out-of-body Subject: life before life? Date: Tue, 11 Aug 1998 11:01:06 +0200 Organization: bART Internet Services Message-ID: <6qqcd6$t58$4@news.bart.net> NNTP-Posting-Host: s31.denhaag.bart.nl X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.3110.1 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.3110.3 Lines: 10 Path: ccw.ch!pfaff.ethz.ch!news-zh.switch.ch!news.belnet.be!news-raspail.gip.net!news.gsl.net!gip.net!oleane!newsfeed.nacamar.de!dispose.news.demon.net!demon!bullseye.news.demon.net!demon!newshub.bart.net!news.bart.net!not-for-mail ten months before you get born, are you nonexistent or on the astral(etherial? damn, keep throwing these two round and round. :) plane deciding you want to go in again? -- Life again, Daan van Yperen daan.van.yperen@hempseed.com http://members.xoom.com/dyper ###### Message-ID: <35D1294C.E37F03AE@pop.slkc.uswest.net> Date: Tue, 11 Aug 1998 22:34:04 -0700 From: Beth Reply-To: oberoberts@uswest.net X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.04 [en] (Win95; U) MIME-Version: 1.0 Newsgroups: alt.out-of-body Subject: Re: life before life? References: <6qqcd6$t58$4@news.bart.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit NNTP-Posting-Host: mdialup90.slkc.uswest.net X-Trace: 11 Aug 1998 23:24:23 +0500, mdialup90.slkc.uswest.net Lines: 13 X-Report: Report abuse to abuse@uswest.net. Path: ccw.ch!pfaff.ethz.ch!news-zh.switch.ch!news.belnet.be!news-raspail.gip.net!news-lond.gip.net!news.gsl.net!gip.net!btnet-peer!btnet!newshub.northeast.verio.net!newsfeed.wli.net!131.119.28.147!su-news-hub1.bbnplanet.com!su-news-feed4.bbnplanet.com!news.bbnplanet.com!newsfeed1.uswest.net!news1.uswest.net!mdialup90.slkc.uswest.net Daan van Yperen wrote: > ten months before you get born, are you nonexistent or on the > astral(etherial? damn, keep throwing these two round and round. :) plane > deciding you want to go in again? According to many religions and Robert Monroe's books, you are waiting to do it again. Beth ###### From: "Daan van Yperen" Newsgroups: alt.out-of-body Subject: Re: life before life? Date: Wed, 12 Aug 1998 08:33:35 +0200 Organization: bART Internet Services Message-ID: <6qsqeq$hqu$1@news.bart.net> References: <6qqcd6$t58$4@news.bart.net> <35D1294C.E37F03AE@pop.slkc.uswest.net> <01bdc5d4$91298d40$LocalHost@newdmaxa> NNTP-Posting-Host: s116.denhaag.bart.nl X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.3110.1 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.3110.3 Lines: 33 Path: ccw.ch!pfaff.ethz.ch!news-zh.switch.ch!news-ge.switch.ch!newsfeed.uk.ibm.net!ibm.net!nntp.news.xara.net!xara.net!rill.news.pipex.net!pipex!sun4nl!bullseye.news.demon.net!demon!newshub.bart.net!news.bart.net!not-for-mail >> >> Daan van Yperen wrote: >> >> > ten months before you get born, are you nonexistent or on the >> > astral(ethereal? damn, keep throwing these two round and round. :) >plane >> > deciding you want to go in again? >> >> According to many religions and Robert Monroe's books, you are waiting to >do >> it again. >> >> Beth >> >-------- >Why would you want to do this again? > >As far as I know, in the astral plane you can have anything you desire, why >come back to the physical? Are you forced to come back until you learn a >certain lesson? If so, what is it that we must learn (personally, I'd >rather not come back). > Maybe its a must. (If you don't return into the physical plane often enough you dissolve into nothingness or something like that). I find it interesting to think about the creation of life. (What would the 'higher' father and mother on the astral plane be doing if here on the physical they where creating a new life?). Daan ###### From: "Lone Wolf" Newsgroups: alt.out-of-body Subject: Re: life before life? Date: 12 Aug 1998 10:26:59 GMT Organization: Customer of Access One Pty Ltd, Melbourne, Australia Lines: 31 Message-ID: <01bdc5d4$91298d40$LocalHost@newdmaxa> References: <6qqcd6$t58$4@news.bart.net> <35D1294C.E37F03AE@pop.slkc.uswest.net> NNTP-Posting-Host: d69-1.cpe.ingham.aone.net.au X-Trace: news.mel.aone.net.au 902917619 22136 203.61.34.69 (12 Aug 1998 10:26:59 GMT) NNTP-Posting-Date: 12 Aug 1998 10:26:59 GMT X-Newsreader: Microsoft Internet News 4.70.1162 Path: ccw.ch!pfaff.ethz.ch!news-zh.switch.ch!news-ge.switch.ch!news.maxwell.syr.edu!newsfeed.internetmci.com!139.130.250.2!intgwpad.nntp.telstra.net!nsw.nntp.telstra.net!203.108.7.42.MISMATCH!ozemail!ozemail.com.au!news.mel.aone.net.au!newsfeed-in.aone.net.au!not-for-mail Beth wrote in article <35D1294C.E37F03AE@pop.slkc.uswest.net>... > > > Daan van Yperen wrote: > > > ten months before you get born, are you nonexistent or on the > > astral(etherial? damn, keep throwing these two round and round. :) plane > > deciding you want to go in again? > > According to many religions and Robert Monroe's books, you are waiting to do > it again. > > Beth > -------- Why would you want to do this again? As far as I know, in the astral plane you can have anything you desire, why come back to the physical? Are you forced to come back until you learn a certain lesson? If so, what is it that we must learn (personally, I'd rather not come back). From Wolfy ###### From: Andreas Manthey Newsgroups: alt.out-of-body Subject: Re: life before life? Date: Wed, 12 Aug 1998 13:00:42 +0300 Organization: University of Oulu Lines: 32 Message-ID: References: <6qqcd6$t58$4@news.bart.net> NNTP-Posting-Host: tk10.oulu.fi Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII X-Sender: aman@tk10 In-Reply-To: <6qqcd6$t58$4@news.bart.net> Path: ccw.ch!pfaff.ethz.ch!news-zh.switch.ch!news.belnet.be!newspump.monmouth.com!newspeer.monmouth.com!newsfeed1.swip.net!swipnet!newsfeed2.funet.fi!130.231.240.8.MISMATCH!ousrvr3.oulu.fi!tk10!aman On Tue, 11 Aug 1998, Daan van Yperen wrote: >ten months before you get born, are you nonexistent or on the >astral(etherial? damn, keep throwing these two round and round. :) plane >deciding you want to go in again? >-- >Life again, >Daan van Yperen >daan.van.yperen@hempseed.com >http://members.xoom.com/dyper When reading your post, a zen koan I've read once came to my mind. It goes something like this: "Where have you been before your mom and dad were born?" The point is that you can't answer this with logical thinking (or wild speculation, all the same). It's one of those riddles that are supposed to make you snap out of reality. But thinking about those tiny tailed thingees fiercely wanting to spawn some new life into this earthen wailing pit and then dying in the thousands... hmmm... don't know what I'm talking about. Maybe I should go snap out for a while. :) Being anything else but a zen monk, Andreas ###### From: Ken S. Newsgroups: alt.out-of-body Subject: Re: life before life? Date: 12 Aug 1998 15:10:25 PDT Organization: Concentric Internet Services Lines: 24 Message-ID: <35d21204.20229646@news.ke9nr.org> References: <6qqcd6$t58$4@news.bart.net> <35D1294C.E37F03AE@pop.slkc.uswest.net> <01bdc5d4$91298d40$LocalHost@newdmaxa> <6qsqeq$hqu$1@news.bart.net> NNTP-Posting-Host: ts002d02.las-nv.concentric.net X-Newsreader: Forte Free Agent 1.11/16.235 Path: ccw.ch!pfaff.ethz.ch!news-zh.switch.ch!news.belnet.be!newspump.monmouth.com!newspeer.monmouth.com!news-peer.gip.net!news.gsl.net!gip.net!news-peer.sprintlink.net!news-peer-west.sprintlink.net!news.sprintlink.net!newsfeed.concentric.net!207.155.183.80.MISMATCH!global-news-master Hi Daan - On Wed, 12 Aug 1998 08:33:35 +0200, "Daan van Yperen" wrote: >>Why would you want to do this again? >> >>As far as I know, in the astral plane you can have anything you desire, why >>come back to the physical? Are you forced to come back until you learn a >>certain lesson? If so, what is it that we must learn (personally, I'd >>rather not come back). > >Maybe its a must. (If you don't return into the physical plane often enough >you dissolve into nothingness or something like that). None of the reading I have done presents that kind of view. People have reported having contact with entities that claim to have few or no physical lifetimes. Personally, if after death I can remember what this life was like, I don't planning on doing it again for a LOOOONG time. The Other Ken http://www.ke9nr.org/ ###### From: unagi10553@aol.com (Unagi10553) Newsgroups: alt.out-of-body Subject: Re: life before life? Lines: 17 Message-ID: <1998081315381700.LAA09326@ladder01.news.aol.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: ladder01.news.aol.com X-Admin: news@aol.com Date: 13 Aug 1998 15:38:17 GMT Organization: AOL http://www.aol.com References: Path: ccw.ch!pfaff.ethz.ch!news-zh.switch.ch!news-ge.switch.ch!news.maxwell.syr.edu!news-peer.gip.net!news.gsl.net!gip.net!portc01.blue.aol.com!audrey01.news.aol.com!not-for-mail There is a great book that talks about where souls go after death. "Journey of Souls" by Michael Newton, Ph.D. is on case studies of life between lives. I believe life here on earth is a school for all souls. We are here to learn. After death, we, Soul, go to another place of existence where the Laws of Karma decide where all Souls goes according to It's karma. We make a place for ourselves according to our own actions in the many lives we've lived. I see this as responsibility. Unagi Love to HU. http://members.aol.com/hu4god/husong.html --------------- ###### From: johnf@melbpc.org.au (John Fitzsimons) Newsgroups: alt.out-of-body Subject: Re: life before life? Date: Thu, 13 Aug 1998 21:29:36 GMT Organization: Melbourne PC User Group Inc, Australia Lines: 42 Message-ID: <35d637db.11910976@news.melbpc.org.au> References: <6qqcd6$t58$4@news.bart.net> <35D1294C.E37F03AE@pop.slkc.uswest.net> <01bdc5d4$91298d40$LocalHost@newdmaxa> NNTP-Posting-Host: b1-8.melbpc.org.au Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Newsreader: Forte Agent 1.5/32.451 Path: ccw.ch!pfaff.ethz.ch!news-zh.switch.ch!news.belnet.be!news-raspail.gip.net!news-peer.gip.net!news.gsl.net!gip.net!news.maxwell.syr.edu!news.mel.connect.com.au!news2.melbpc.org.au!not-for-mail On 12 Aug 1998 10:26:59 GMT, "Lone Wolf" wrote: > > >Beth wrote in article ><35D1294C.E37F03AE@pop.slkc.uswest.net>... < snip > >> According to many religions and Robert Monroe's books, you are waiting to >>do it again. >> Beth >Why would you want to do this again? >As far as I know, in the astral plane you can have anything you desire, why That isn't the case. What the astral is like and what you can have depends on what you have warranted in regards to your spiritual growth. A murderer or rapist does not have the same astral state/opportunities as a Sister Theresa. >come back to the physical? Are you forced to come back until you learn a >certain lesson? If so, what is it that we must learn (personally, I'd >rather not come back). When a child is in grade 5 he/she may not want to "come back" for grade 6. An adult, or a more "mature" child, knows he/she should "come back" to learn more. Our "higher self" decides we need to advance and presents the reincarnational context for that advancement. Regards, John. **************************************************** ,-._|\ John Fitzsimons - Melbourne, Australia. / Oz \ johnf@melbpc.org.au, Fidonet 3:632/309 \_,--.x/ http://www.vicnet.net.au/~johnf/welcome.htm v http://www.alphalink.com.au/~johnf/ ###### From: Jan Newsgroups: alt.out-of-body Subject: Re: life before life? Date: 14 Aug 1998 03:44:31 GMT Organization: SpiritOne Internet 503-240-8200 Lines: 42 Message-ID: <35D3B04C.282ED9C8@spiritone.com> References: <6qqcd6$t58$4@news.bart.net> <35D1294C.E37F03AE@pop.slkc.uswest.net> <01bdc5d4$91298d40$LocalHost@newdmaxa> <6qsqeq$hqu$1@news.bart.net> NNTP-Posting-Host: 205.139.108.2 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Trace: 903066271 CTYA.ZJBS6C02CD8BC usenet76.supernews.com X-Complaints-To: newsabuse@supernews.com X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.04 [en] (Win95; I) To: Daan van Yperen X-Trace-ISP: 903066093 4630 205.139.109.95 znk7/F20104:ryyvfba X-Complaints-To-ISP: abuse@spiritone.com Path: ccw.ch!pfaff.ethz.ch!news-zh.switch.ch!news.belnet.be!news-raspail.gip.net!news-peer.gip.net!news.gsl.net!gip.net!news.maxwell.syr.edu!Supernews60!supernews.com!Supernews69!not-for-mail There is an excellent book I read on this subject a couple of years ago. It's called *Life Before Life* written by a psychologist who was using hypnosis to regress patients back to the early childhood and inadvertently regressed one to *before birth* situation. Real easy read. Jan Daan van Yperen wrote: > >> > >> Daan van Yperen wrote: > >> > >> > ten months before you get born, are you nonexistent or on the > >> > astral(ethereal? damn, keep throwing these two round and round. :) > >plane > >> > deciding you want to go in again? > >> > >> According to many religions and Robert Monroe's books, you are waiting to > >do > >> it again. > >> > >> Beth > >> > >-------- > >Why would you want to do this again? > > > >As far as I know, in the astral plane you can have anything you desire, why > >come back to the physical? Are you forced to come back until you learn a > >certain lesson? If so, what is it that we must learn (personally, I'd > >rather not come back). > > > > > Maybe its a must. (If you don't return into the physical plane often enough > you dissolve into nothingness or something like that). I find it interesting > to think about the creation of life. (What would the 'higher' father and > mother on the astral plane be doing if here on the physical they where > creating a new life?). > > Daan ###### From: bartma12@ix.netcom.com(Bart Scott) Newsgroups: alt.out-of-body Subject: Re: life before life? Date: 14 Aug 1998 04:19:01 GMT Organization: Netcom Lines: 17 Message-ID: <6r0drl$1u1@sjx-ixn2.ix.netcom.com> References: <6qqcd6$t58$4@news.bart.net> <35D1294C.E37F03AE@pop.slkc.uswest.net> <01bdc5d4$91298d40$LocalHost@newdmaxa> <6qsqeq$hqu$1@news.bart.net> <35D3B04C.282ED9C8@spiritone.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: clv-oh38-33.ix.netcom.com X-NETCOM-Date: Thu Aug 13 9:19:01 PM PDT 1998 Path: ccw.ch!pfaff.ethz.ch!news-zh.switch.ch!news.belnet.be!news-raspail.gip.net!news-peer.gip.net!news.gsl.net!gip.net!ix.netcom.com!news In <35D3B04C.282ED9C8@spiritone.com> Jan writes: > >There is an excellent book I read on this subject a couple of years >ago. It's called *Life Before Life* written by a psychologist who was >using hypnosis to regress patients back to the early childhood and >inadvertently regressed one to *before birth* situation. Real easy >read. >Jan Sorry - I don't mean to be a snot, but I think you are referring to the book "Life Between Life" by Whitton and Fisher, ISBN 0-446-34762-0 It is a good starter book on hypnotic regression and the Bardo. Bart ###### From: "Lone Wolf" Newsgroups: alt.out-of-body Subject: Re: life before life? Date: 14 Aug 1998 09:53:06 GMT Organization: Customer of Access One Pty Ltd, Melbourne, Australia Lines: 32 Message-ID: <01bdc75f$f004aa20$LocalHost@newdmaxa> References: <6qqcd6$t58$4@news.bart.net> <35D1294C.E37F03AE@pop.slkc.uswest.net> <01bdc5d4$91298d40$LocalHost@newdmaxa> <35d637db.11910976@news.melbpc.org.au> NNTP-Posting-Host: d72-1.cpe.ingham.aone.net.au X-Trace: news.mel.aone.net.au 903088386 19967 203.61.34.72 (14 Aug 1998 09:53:06 GMT) NNTP-Posting-Date: 14 Aug 1998 09:53:06 GMT X-Newsreader: Microsoft Internet News 4.70.1162 Path: ccw.ch!pfaff.ethz.ch!news-zh.switch.ch!news-ge.switch.ch!news.maxwell.syr.edu!news.mel.connect.com.au!news.mel.aone.net.au!newsfeed-in.aone.net.au!not-for-mail John Fitzsimons wrote in article <35d637db.11910976@news.melbpc.org.au>... > On 12 Aug 1998 10:26:59 GMT, "Lone Wolf" > wrote: > > > >come back to the physical? Are you forced to come back until you learn a > >certain lesson? If so, what is it that we must learn (personally, I'd > >rather not come back). > > When a child is in grade 5 he/she may not want to "come back" for > grade 6. An adult, or a more "mature" child, knows he/she should "come > back" to learn more. Our "higher self" decides we need to advance and > presents the reincarnational context for that advancement. So, in other words you think I have the maturity of a child in grade 5 eh? (I'm telling my Daddy on you) It is my personal belief that we do not get reincarnated. I know that we are here to learn a lesson about life. Those that do good while here on earth, go to the higher levels of the astral plane, those such as murderers, go to the lower planes. However, I do keep my mind open to all possibilities. Especially since I have not had an AP yet. From Wolfy ###### From: "M. Bell" Newsgroups: alt.out-of-body Subject: Re: life before life? Date: 14 Aug 1998 15:32:32 GMT Organization: Triskelion Matrix Lines: 14 Message-ID: <01bdc799$5c175a80$0394e3c7@gothic> References: <6qqcd6$t58$4@news.bart.net> NNTP-Posting-Host: tsftl1-3.gate.net X-Newsreader: Microsoft Internet News 4.70.1155 Path: ccw.ch!pfaff.ethz.ch!news-zh.switch.ch!news.belnet.be!news-raspail.gip.net!news.gsl.net!gip.net!newscore.univie.ac.at!news-spur1.maxwell.syr.edu!news.maxwell.syr.edu!newspeer.monmouth.com!news.gate.net!not-for-mail Daan van Yperen wrote > ten months before you get born, are you nonexistent or on the > astral(etherial? damn, keep throwing these two round and round. :) plane > deciding you want to go in again? > -- I think I was standing in line with my ticket. It was one of those economy deals where I wasn't sure what ride I was in line for. This ride is fine; has all the thrills and a few spills, but has been very interesting so far. M. Bell ###### From: Jan Newsgroups: alt.out-of-body Subject: Re: life before life? Date: 15 Aug 1998 02:02:29 GMT Organization: SpiritOne Internet 503-240-8200 Lines: 28 Message-ID: <35D4EA90.3F3CF8D0@spiritone.com> References: <6qqcd6$t58$4@news.bart.net> <35D1294C.E37F03AE@pop.slkc.uswest.net> <01bdc5d4$91298d40$LocalHost@newdmaxa> <6qsqeq$hqu$1@news.bart.net> <35D3B04C.282ED9C8@spiritone.com> <6r0drl$1u1@sjx-ixn2.ix.netcom.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: 205.139.108.2 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Trace: 903146549 CTYA.ZJBS6C02CD8BC usenet57.supernews.com X-Complaints-To: newsabuse@supernews.com X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.04 [en] (Win95; I) To: Bart Scott X-Trace-ISP: 903146548 12076 205.139.109.19 znk6/F20104:ryyvfba X-Complaints-To-ISP: abuse@spiritone.com Path: ccw.ch!pfaff.ethz.ch!news-zh.switch.ch!news-ge.switch.ch!news.maxwell.syr.edu!Supernews60!supernews.com!Supernews69!not-for-mail Thanks. I thought the title was a little off, but that sounds right. It was quite a few years ago that I read it. And no, your not a snot! Thanks for the correction. Jan Bart Scott wrote: > In <35D3B04C.282ED9C8@spiritone.com> Jan > writes: > > > >There is an excellent book I read on this subject a couple of years > >ago. It's called *Life Before Life* written by a psychologist who was > >using hypnosis to regress patients back to the early childhood and > >inadvertently regressed one to *before birth* situation. Real easy > >read. > >Jan > > Sorry - I don't mean to be a snot, but I think you are referring to the > book "Life Between Life" by Whitton and Fisher, ISBN 0-446-34762-0 > > It is a good starter book on hypnotic regression and the Bardo. > > Bart