From: hawksmoor@dial.pipex.com (Julia Hawkes-Moore) Newsgroups: alt.out-of-body Subject: Seriously worried. Date: Mon, 10 Aug 1998 19:13:50 GMT Organization: UUNET UK server (post doesn't reflect views of UUNET UK) Lines: 30 Message-ID: <35cf4152.112486@news.dial.pipex.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: userl506.uk.uudial.com X-Newsreader: Forte Free Agent 1.1/16.230 Path: ccw.ch!pfaff.ethz.ch!news-zh.switch.ch!news-ge.switch.ch!news.maxwell.syr.edu!nntp.ntr.net!uunet!in5.uu.net!join.news.pipex.net!pipex!warm.news.pipex.net!bore.news.pipex.net!pipex!not-for-mail I have to report that I am seriously worried about whatever has gone wrong with Frodpod's Astral Travellers page. Not only does no-one seem to know where it is (I've got it bookmarked - where is it for other people to find?) but there seems to be a profound lack of feedback and basic interest in something which a few of us have been working hard to achieve. Has everyone else lost interest? I find it disturbing that, by attempting to do something exciting over the newsgroup, since the page wasn't working, I get accused of "cheating". I posted several lengthy posts to Jean, through the page, reporting on our 'Girls' Night out' and also my 'Parthenon Report.' The latter one has vanished. The former one was a compilation of all the posts relating to the 'Girls's Night Out, so intelligible to another reader and which took me two hours to put together. But it has appeared as a dense and thus incomprehensible block of text, and not broken up into sensible sections, as it was when I sent it. Several frantic emails to Jean met only a vague reply. Can any of you computer buffs figure out how to rescue this sad case? Trish and Beth, does either of you have the patience to repost the sequence of our trip? Does anyone out there care enough to bother reading it? As a writer I get very um... fidgety... if any of my work is messed up or lost. Or devalued. Or ignored. As a keen and devoted member of this newsgroup I am having serious worries about the purpose of it all. Are we here to share our information and attempt to develop a practical and cohesive system for out-of-body-travel, which could then have vast and potent implications for the future of humanity? Or are we all just cheating and is it time that I shut up? All best wishes, Julia Hawkes-Moore. ###### From: Ken S. Newsgroups: alt.out-of-body Subject: Re: Seriously worried. Date: 10 Aug 1998 16:15:23 PDT Organization: Concentric Internet Services Lines: 41 Message-ID: <35cf7d51.3329937@news.ke9nr.org> References: <35cf4152.112486@news.dial.pipex.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: ts003d46.las-nv.concentric.net X-Newsreader: Forte Free Agent 1.11/16.235 Path: ccw.ch!pfaff.ethz.ch!news-zh.switch.ch!news.belnet.be!newsgate.cistron.nl!het.net!newspump.monmouth.com!newspeer.monmouth.com!priori!newsfeed.concentric.net!207.155.183.80.MISMATCH!global-news-master Hi Julia - On Mon, 10 Aug 1998 19:13:50 GMT, hawksmoor@dial.pipex.com (Julia Hawkes-Moore) wrote: > I posted several lengthy posts to Jean, through the page, reporting >on our 'Girls' Night out' and also my 'Parthenon Report.' The latter >one has vanished. The former one was a compilation of all the posts >relating to the 'Girls's Night Out, so intelligible to another reader >and which took me two hours to put together. But it has appeared as a >dense and thus incomprehensible block of text, and not broken up into >sensible sections, as it was when I sent it. Several frantic emails to >Jean met only a vague reply. > Can any of you computer buffs figure out how to rescue this sad >case? Trish and Beth, does either of you have the patience to repost >the sequence of our trip? Does anyone out there care enough to bother >reading it? The one issue I can address is the formatting of the report that did appear. HTML processing ignores extra blanks and blank lines. Unless directed otherwise by HTML commands, it compresses everything together as much as possible. The actual document source for page has the proper formatting, it just doesn't display that way. If you are familiar with HTML commands, you can put them in the text of what you send to put in blank lines at the proper places, etc. If you are not familiar with HTML commands, the best thing to do is insert a line before the first line of your report, that looks like this: 
Then insert a line after the last line of your report that looks like
this:
This tells the person's browser that what is between the two commands is "pre-formatted" and should be displayed as is. The downside to this is that the browser will not wrap the lines to fit the person's screen. The Other Ken http://www.ke9nr.org/ ###### Message-ID: <35CFA663.D6CD2016@pop.slkc.uswest.net> Date: Mon, 10 Aug 1998 19:03:15 -0700 From: Beth Reply-To: oberoberts@uswest.net X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.04 [en] (Win95; U) MIME-Version: 1.0 Newsgroups: alt.out-of-body Subject: Re: Seriously worried. References: <35cf4152.112486@news.dial.pipex.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit NNTP-Posting-Host: mdialup229.slkc.uswest.net X-Trace: 10 Aug 1998 19:53:40 +0500, mdialup229.slkc.uswest.net Lines: 75 X-Report: Report abuse to abuse@uswest.net. Path: ccw.ch!pfaff.ethz.ch!news-zh.switch.ch!news.belnet.be!newspump.monmouth.com!newspeer.monmouth.com!newsfeed.wli.net!su-news-hub1.bbnplanet.com!su-news-feed4.bbnplanet.com!news.bbnplanet.com!newsfeed1.uswest.net!news1.uswest.net!mdialup229.slkc.uswest.net Julia Hawkes-Moore wrote: > I have to report that I am seriously worried about whatever has gone > wrong with Frodpod's Astral Travellers page. Not only does no-one seem > to know where it is (I've got it bookmarked - where is it for other > people to find?) I admit I don't have it bookmarked but I would like to. The last time it was mentioned I wanted to bookmark it so that I could go back to it again. > but there seems to be a profound lack of feedback and > basic interest in something which a few of us have been working hard > to achieve. Has everyone else lost interest? Not me, that is for sure. > I find it disturbing that, by attempting to do something exciting > over the newsgroup, since the page wasn't working, I get accused of > "cheating". > Who would do that? There is no way you could have known the things that you reported on the NG, I had never mentioned them. > I posted several lengthy posts to Jean, through the page, reporting > on our 'Girls' Night out' and also my 'Parthenon Report.' The latter > one has vanished. The former one was a compilation of all the posts > relating to the 'Girls's Night Out, so intelligible to another reader > and which took me two hours to put together. But it has appeared as a > dense and thus incomprehensible block of text, and not broken up into > sensible sections, as it was when I sent it. Several frantic emails to > Jean met only a vague reply. I am not familiar with how to post to this web page so I guess I am a little behind. > Can any of you computer buffs figure out how to rescue this sad > case? Trish and Beth, does either of you have the patience to repost > the sequence of our trip? Does anyone out there care enough to bother > reading it? I can try to recompile it from what I have saved on my computer. And there has been a newbie who really appreciated our posts. I think it was a wonderful experiment. > As a writer I get very um... fidgety... if any of my work is messed > up or lost. Or devalued. Or ignored. Ah, I would not ever ignore you Julia. I think that you have wonderful gifts to share with all of us. > As a keen and devoted member of this newsgroup I am having serious > worries about the purpose of it all. Are we here to share our > information and attempt to develop a practical and cohesive system for > out-of-body-travel, which could then have vast and potent implications > for the future of humanity? I should hope that someday we will be taken more serious than we are currently. I would hope that our friendships from around the globe could actually help this planet someday. > Or are we all just cheating and is it time that I shut up? I can only speak for myself, and I know that I am not cheating. I also know that you could not have cheated, you have never physically been to my home nor even seen a picture of me, there were to many hits for it to be a coincidence. Cheer up Julia. I am feeling better, so tonight I will try again to send you some healing energy. Love, Beth ###### From: null@void.void (Enigma) Newsgroups: alt.out-of-body Subject: Re: Seriously worried. Date: Mon, 10 Aug 1998 21:14:14 GMT Organization: the void that is not void Message-ID: <35cf6140.285916@usenet.idirect.com> References: <35cf4152.112486@news.dial.pipex.com> X-Newsreader: Forte Free Agent 1.11/32.235 NNTP-Posting-Host: ts7-13t-33.idirect.com Lines: 19 Path: ccw.ch!pfaff.ethz.ch!news-zh.switch.ch!news-ge.switch.ch!newscore.univie.ac.at!europa.clark.net!198.138.0.5!newshub.northeast.verio.net!cyclone.news.idirect.com!oasis.idirect.com!ts7-13t-33.idirect.com On Mon, 10 Aug 1998 19:13:50 GMT, hawksmoor@dial.pipex.com (Julia Hawkes-Moore) wrote: > Can any of you computer buffs figure out how to rescue this sad >case? Trish and Beth, does either of you have the patience to repost >the sequence of our trip? Does anyone out there care enough to bother >reading it? Hi Julia, I read the thread on your experiment with Trish and Beth. That was really interesting! I can't do much about any problems with Frod's webpage, but it sounds like you may be still not feeling well so I will try sending some energy your way tonight in my meditation. Hope you are feeling better soon! regards, Enigma ###### From: Ken S. Newsgroups: alt.out-of-body Subject: Re: Seriously worried. Date: 10 Aug 1998 21:23:13 PDT Organization: Concentric Internet Services Lines: 47 Message-ID: <35cfc5a9.17709962@news.ke9nr.org> References: <35cf4152.112486@news.dial.pipex.com> <35cf7d51.3329937@news.ke9nr.org> <35cf90e6.20475216@news.dial.pipex.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: ts006d45.las-nv.concentric.net X-Newsreader: Forte Free Agent 1.11/16.235 Path: ccw.ch!pfaff.ethz.ch!news-zh.switch.ch!news.belnet.be!news-raspail.gip.net!news-peer.gip.net!news.gsl.net!gip.net!newsfeed.direct.ca!newsfeed.concentric.net!207.155.183.80.MISMATCH!global-news-master Hi Julia - On Tue, 11 Aug 1998 00:36:10 GMT, hawksmoor@dial.pipex.com (Julia Hawkes-Moore) wrote: >, Ken S. wrote: >>If you are not familiar with HTML commands, the best thing to do is >>insert a line before the first line of your report, that looks like >>this: >>
>>Then insert a line after the last line of your report that looks like
>>this:
>>
>>This tells the person's browser that what is between the two commands >>is "pre-formatted" and should be displayed as is. > >Thanks, Ken. Do I do this if I'm sending an email which will be used >on a website page, then? If it is something that is going to post automatically, which apparently these do, yes. You can use it even if it's not something that is going to autopost. If a live person is going to be doing something with it first, that person can remove the 
 and
tags if they want. >>The downside to this is that the browser will not wrap the lines to >>fit the person's screen. >Um, but isn't that the current problem? The text on the page has no >wrapping at all, so it has lost all the line breaks and becomes a >solid mass? No, the text is wrapping, but line breaks and white space are being lost. With pre-formatting, line breaks and white space are retained, but also each line of text becomes one line on the person's screen. So if you use real long lines, the person will have to scroll right to see them. If you keep your lines no longer than 70 characters, there shouldn't be a problem. >You know, I'm beginning to realise that computers are pretty useless >at doing what I want them to do. The problem is that computers do what you tell them to do, not what you want them to do. Being a techno-nerd , it's not a problem for me. The Other Ken http://www.ke9nr.org/ ###### From: "Trish" Newsgroups: alt.out-of-body Subject: Re: Seriously worried. Date: Mon, 10 Aug 1998 21:45:22 -0400 Organization: gte.net Lines: 101 Message-ID: <6qo7d4$d15$1@news-1.news.gte.net> References: <35cf4152.112486@news.dial.pipex.com> Reply-To: "Trish" NNTP-Posting-Host: 1cust85.tnt1.new-port-richey.fl.gt.uu.net X-Auth: D5109F4207DCCD8A11958491 X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.71.1712.3 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.2106.4 Path: ccw.ch!pfaff.ethz.ch!news-zh.switch.ch!news.belnet.be!news-raspail.gip.net!news-peer.gip.net!news.gsl.net!gip.net!newsfeed.internetmci.com!206.251.127.50!worldfeed.gte.net!newsfeed.gte.net!newsfeed2.gte.net.MISMATCH!news.gte.net!not-for-mail I've seen a lack of participation in the project as of late as well .. but I don't necessarily think it's a lack of interest. Originally the site was to be a launching pad for communicating while OBE, and bringing people together. The rules ... I don't believe ... were written in stone, but put together as something we could build on. So maybe it's time to re-vamp. The feedback I've been getting as of late, centers around several things. Many people think they must have extraordinary OBE abilities to participate, so naturally, many automatically exclude themselves. Some are lurkers who feel uncomfortable posting, let alone taking part in a large scale event. As well, the difficulty of meeting at a designated place, have discouraged many people .. even regulars. This is why I've been trying to generate interest again in the partners program. It seems that much of the success we've had has centered around impromtu meetings or spontaneous events, involving people trying to meet people ... rather than meeting at a place. Having a partner provides support and inspiration .. and could rejuvinate the group meeting atmosphere. The events that meant the most to me were the times I found Julia's wand .. a spontaneous event ... and the time I may have shown up in Bart's apartment. I've been OBE on the designated nights before, but I've never been able to make it to the location point. But we could make the event a lot simpler, without leaving it up to one or two people to manage at a website. For instance: We could designate the first few days of the month (or whenever) as a swap meet. People can post into the group, and establish a partner for that month. During the month they exchange ideas, tips, and suggestions ... and eventually try for a meeting. The meeting can be their own choice .. either with two people, or by getting together with another group. After the meeting, they post the results into the newsgroup for all to share in. (Kind of like how we've been doing) Or ... to retain the scientific nature, and monitoring of the event ... one person each month can be designated as "event coordinator" ... and that persons name and e-mail address can be posted in the newsgroup. The event coordinator will keep track of those who are partnered for the month, and what they plan to do. All responses can be directed by e-mail to this person first .... and then eventually to the newsgoup. They won't have to be posted to the site at all. The actual website can be a source of reference that explains what we're doing ... and can be a place where we can copy and post our most memorable partnership events. Jean and Frod won't have the enormous responsibility of having to care for it each month. The coordinator will change each month .. as the partners do. Changing partners on a set day may be able to keep an interest up .... It may encourage others who feel more comfortable in a one on one situation to take part ... It spreads the wealth of knowledge among a variety of people .. It introduces us all more personally to more people .. and it encourages everyone to think of new and engenius ways to try and meet each other. Adds suspense when everyone wonders what the others are doing and have accomplished as we wait for their posts. It also evolves itself as an ongoing event as people enter and leave the group. It's centered around the group itself, rather than a site. No one is tied to it. What do you all think? Give it a try or can it? Modify it or build on it? Or put another way ... What would it take for you, personally (everyone individually) to maintain a consuming interest in such an event? Julia ... I saw the post at the site. I know you cringe .. but it may not be as bad as you think. I was able to follow it ... but then again, I had already read it in the group. I sent my Parthenon post over, and there was an error with it as well, so you are not alone. Seems that it contained some type of attachment, but I hadn't attached anything at all. I'll have to get back in touch with Jean about it. I was disappointed that there were only two responses to the trip ... yours and Jeans ... mine was sent over a day later, since I had been trying to post it directly to the site. Did anyone else out there participate and send anything over? I do agree with you that the entire thing has become lack luster. I think we can all come together and do something about it. .................................................... Trish AIM: trishmunk1 capuchin@gte.net capuchin2@hotmail.com .............................................................. ###### From: bartma12@ix.netcom.com(Bart Scott) Newsgroups: alt.out-of-body Subject: Re: Seriously worried. Date: 10 Aug 1998 23:05:53 GMT Organization: ICGNetcom Lines: 40 Message-ID: <6qnuch$86e@dfw-ixnews10.ix.netcom.com> References: <35cf4152.112486@news.dial.pipex.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: clv-oh41-29.ix.netcom.com X-NETCOM-Date: Mon Aug 10 6:05:53 PM CDT 1998 Path: ccw.ch!pfaff.ethz.ch!news-zh.switch.ch!news.belnet.be!news-raspail.gip.net!news-peer.gip.net!news.gsl.net!gip.net!ix.netcom.com!news In <35cf4152.112486@news.dial.pipex.com> hawksmoor@dial.pipex.com (Julia Hawkes-Moore) writes: > > I have to report that I am seriously worried about whatever has gone >wrong with Frodpod's Astral Travellers page. Not only does no-one seem >to know where it is (I've got it bookmarked - where is it for other >people to find?) but there seems to be a profound lack of feedback and >basic interest in something which a few of us have been working hard >to achieve. Has everyone else lost interest? Seems so. This is one of the reasons I originally suggested that it not be held every month (even though I later suggested that it be held twice a month). "Burn-out"... Plus, since it seems that the rules have changed a bit, I'm not really interested in posting if I don't actually make it to the target. The original rules were that we were supposed to post even if we didn't get there. In my case - I was quite bothered by a fly on my two major attempts, as someone else recently posted. > I find it disturbing that, by attempting to do something exciting >over the newsgroup, since the page wasn't working, I get accused of >"cheating". I don't think anyone accused you of cheating. Any comment that I made that would suggest such a thing has been misunderstood. What I was concerned about was autosuggestion and missing the accidental hits that could occur even when some folks don't hit the target. I was not aware that the page wasn't functioning properly. I still like the original rules, but it seems that we should reduce the number of major trips to maybe three or four per year. Perhaps we could volunteer to take turns maintaining the reports. I'm sorry if my comments upset anyone. I wasn't accusing anyone of cheating. Bart ###### From: hawksmoor@dial.pipex.com (Julia Hawkes-Moore) Newsgroups: alt.out-of-body Subject: Re: Seriously worried. Date: Tue, 11 Aug 1998 00:36:10 GMT Organization: UUNET UK server (post doesn't reflect views of UUNET UK) Lines: 31 Message-ID: <35cf90e6.20475216@news.dial.pipex.com> References: <35cf4152.112486@news.dial.pipex.com> <35cf7d51.3329937@news.ke9nr.org> NNTP-Posting-Host: userb641.uk.uudial.com X-Newsreader: Forte Free Agent 1.1/16.230 Path: ccw.ch!pfaff.ethz.ch!news-zh.switch.ch!news.belnet.be!news-raspail.gip.net!news-lond.gip.net!news.gsl.net!gip.net!peer.news.th.u-net.net!u-net!rill.news.pipex.net!pipex!bore.news.pipex.net!pipex!not-for-mail , Ken S. wrote: >The one issue I can address is the formatting of the report that did >appear. HTML processing ignores extra blanks and blank lines. Unless >directed otherwise by HTML commands, it compresses everything together >as much as possible. The actual document source for page has the >proper formatting, it just doesn't display that way. >>If you are familiar with HTML commands, you can put them in the text >of what you send to put in blank lines at the proper places, etc. > >If you are not familiar with HTML commands, the best thing to do is >insert a line before the first line of your report, that looks like >this: >
>Then insert a line after the last line of your report that looks like
>this:
>
>This tells the person's browser that what is between the two commands >is "pre-formatted" and should be displayed as is. Thanks, Ken. Do I do this if I'm sending an email which will be used on a website page, then? >The downside to this is that the browser will not wrap the lines to >fit the person's screen. Um, but isn't that the current problem? The text on the page has no wrapping at all, so it has lost all the line breaks and becomes a solid mass? You know, I'm beginning to realise that computers are pretty useless at doing what I want them to do. JHM ###### From: hawksmoor@dial.pipex.com (Julia Hawkes-Moore) Newsgroups: alt.out-of-body Subject: Re: Seriously worried. Date: Tue, 11 Aug 1998 00:37:01 GMT Organization: UUNET UK server (post doesn't reflect views of UUNET UK) Lines: 9 Message-ID: <35cf9203.20758958@news.dial.pipex.com> References: <35cf4152.112486@news.dial.pipex.com> <35cf6140.285916@usenet.idirect.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: userb641.uk.uudial.com X-Newsreader: Forte Free Agent 1.1/16.230 Path: ccw.ch!pfaff.ethz.ch!news-zh.switch.ch!news.belnet.be!news-raspail.gip.net!news-lond.gip.net!news.gsl.net!gip.net!nntp.news.xara.net!xara.net!rill.news.pipex.net!pipex!bore.news.pipex.net!pipex!not-for-mail On Mon, 10 Aug 1998 21:14:14 GMT, null@void.void (Enigma) wrote: >Hi Julia, I read the thread on your experiment with Trish and Beth. >That was really interesting! I can't do much about any problems with >Frod's webpage, but it sounds like you may be still not feeling well >so I will try sending some energy your way tonight in my meditation. >Hope you are feeling better soon! Thanks, Enigma. I appreciate that. Julia. ###### From: hawksmoor@dial.pipex.com (Julia Hawkes-Moore) Newsgroups: alt.out-of-body Subject: Re: Seriously worried. Date: Tue, 11 Aug 1998 00:41:37 GMT Organization: UUNET UK server (post doesn't reflect views of UUNET UK) Lines: 34 Message-ID: <35cf9264.20856340@news.dial.pipex.com> References: <35cf4152.112486@news.dial.pipex.com> <6qnuch$86e@dfw-ixnews10.ix.netcom.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: userm877.uk.uudial.com X-Newsreader: Forte Free Agent 1.1/16.230 Path: ccw.ch!pfaff.ethz.ch!news-zh.switch.ch!news.belnet.be!news-raspail.gip.net!news-lond.gip.net!news.gsl.net!gip.net!nntp.news.xara.net!xara.net!rill.news.pipex.net!pipex!bore.news.pipex.net!pipex!not-for-mail (Bart Scott) wrote: >Seems so. This is one of the reasons I originally suggested that it >not be held every month (even though I later suggested that it be held >twice a month). "Burn-out"... I don't feel burn-out, more wishing to 'do it' more often... > >Plus, since it seems that the rules have changed a bit, I'm not really >interested in posting if I don't actually make it to the target. The >original rules were that we were supposed to post even if we didn't get >there. In my case - I was quite bothered by a fly on my two major >attempts, as someone else recently posted. > JHM>> I find it disturbing that, by attempting to do something exciting >>over the newsgroup, since the page wasn't working, I get accused of >>"cheating". > > I don't think anyone >accused you of cheating. Any comment that I made that would suggest >such a thing has been misunderstood. What I was concerned about was >autosuggestion and missing the accidental hits that could occur even >when some folks don't hit the target. >>I was not aware that the page wasn't functioning properly. I still >like the original rules, but it seems that we should reduce the number >of major trips to maybe three or four per year. Perhaps we could >volunteer to take turns maintaining the reports. >>I'm sorry if my comments upset anyone. I wasn't accusing anyone of >cheating. You are sweet, Bart. Sensible suggestions. And it wasn't you who used the word 'cheat'! Thanks for the white light! JHM ###### From: hawksmoor@dial.pipex.com (Julia Hawkes-Moore) Newsgroups: alt.out-of-body Subject: Re: Seriously worried. Date: Tue, 11 Aug 1998 07:45:42 GMT Organization: UUNET UK server (post doesn't reflect views of UUNET UK) Lines: 35 Message-ID: <35cff1cc.45274622@news.dial.pipex.com> References: <35cf4152.112486@news.dial.pipex.com> <35CFA663.D6CD2016@pop.slkc.uswest.net> NNTP-Posting-Host: userk682.uk.uudial.com X-Newsreader: Forte Free Agent 1.1/16.230 Path: ccw.ch!pfaff.ethz.ch!news-zh.switch.ch!news-ge.switch.ch!news.maxwell.syr.edu!rill.news.pipex.net!pipex!bore.news.pipex.net!pipex!not-for-mail >I can try to recompile it from what I have saved on my computer. And >there has been a newbie who really appreciated our posts. I think it was >a wonderful experiment. Good news! Jean emailed me a copy back again and I have sent it to Frodpod to fix, so that problem is solved. Have you compiled a report yet? Frodpod's address is; frdpd@hotmail.com The site address is: http://members.tripod.com/~Frodpod/obemain >I should hope that someday we will be taken more serious than we are >currently. I would hope that our friendships from around the globe could >actually help this planet someday. I agree. I also happen to know that we are being 'watched' by some rather eminent scientists, so we are being taken seriously! > >> Or are we all just cheating and is it time that I shut up? > >I can only speak for myself, and I know that I am not cheating. I also >know that you could not have cheated, you have never physically been to my >home nor even seen a picture of me, there were to many hits for it to be a >coincidence. Cheer up Julia. I am feeling better, so tonight I will try >again to send you some healing energy. Thanks, Beth, I appreciate your support very much. My temperature has finally fallen below 100 this morning, so I can see recovery ahead, at last! Trish has made some very worthwhile comments above. I emailed her suggesting that the shared vitality and excitement of our rapid ng posts about the girls night out was empowering. This doesn't happen with a flat 'post yer posts and wait' approach. I don't give a toss about being scientifically methodical, but maybe others do. I think that Trish's suggestion of a shared group link is much more exciting. What do you think? All best wishes, JHM ###### Message-ID: <35D08553.7691D15@pop.slkc.uswest.net> Date: Tue, 11 Aug 1998 10:54:27 -0700 From: Beth Reply-To: oberoberts@uswest.net X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.04 [en] (Win95; U) MIME-Version: 1.0 Newsgroups: alt.out-of-body Subject: Re: Seriously worried. References: <35cf4152.112486@news.dial.pipex.com> <35CFA663.D6CD2016@pop.slkc.uswest.net> <35cff1cc.45274622@news.dial.pipex.com> Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="------------643D16F91CDD0396A57C170E" NNTP-Posting-Host: jdialup87.slkc.uswest.net X-Trace: 11 Aug 1998 12:41:51 +0500, jdialup87.slkc.uswest.net Lines: 127 X-Report: Report abuse to abuse@uswest.net. Path: ccw.ch!pfaff.ethz.ch!news-zh.switch.ch!news.belnet.be!news-raspail.gip.net!news-peer.gip.net!news.gsl.net!gip.net!cpk-news-hub1.bbnplanet.com!su-news-feed4.bbnplanet.com!news.bbnplanet.com!newsfeed1.uswest.net!news1.uswest.net!jdialup87.slkc.uswest.net --------------643D16F91CDD0396A57C170E Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Julia Hawkes-Moore wrote: > >I can try to recompile it from what I have saved on my computer. And > >there has been a newbie who really appreciated our posts. I think it was > >a wonderful experiment. > > Good news! Jean emailed me a copy back again and I have sent it to > Frodpod to fix, so that problem is solved. Have you compiled a report > yet? Frodpod's address is; > frdpd@hotmail.com > The site address is: > http://members.tripod.com/~Frodpod/obemain It is now bookmarked thank you. > > > >I should hope that someday we will be taken more serious than we are > >currently. I would hope that our friendships from around the globe could > >actually help this planet someday. > I agree. I also happen to know that we are being 'watched' by some > rather eminent scientists, so we are being taken seriously! > > > >> Or are we all just cheating and is it time that I shut up? > > > >I can only speak for myself, and I know that I am not cheating. I also > >know that you could not have cheated, you have never physically been to my > >home nor even seen a picture of me, there were to many hits for it to be a > >coincidence. Cheer up Julia. I am feeling better, so tonight I will try > >again to send you some healing energy. > Thanks, Beth, I appreciate your support very much. My temperature > has finally fallen below 100 this morning, so I can see recovery > ahead, at last! So glad to hear this! > Trish has made some very worthwhile comments above. I emailed her > suggesting that the shared vitality and excitement of our rapid ng > posts about the girls night out was empowering. This doesn't happen > with a flat 'post yer posts and wait' approach. I don't give a toss > about being scientifically methodical, but maybe others do. I think > that Trish's suggestion of a shared group link is much more exciting. > What do you think? Yes, I was having so many problems with my ISP yesterday that I could not respond to her suggestions, but I love her suggestions. You are so wise Trish, I look up to you. Let's make a plan. Beth --------------643D16F91CDD0396A57C170E Content-Type: text/html; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit  

Julia Hawkes-Moore wrote:

>I can try to recompile it from what I have saved on my computer.  And
>there has been a newbie who really appreciated our posts.  I think it was
>a wonderful experiment.

  Good news! Jean emailed me a copy back again and I have sent it to
Frodpod to fix, so that problem is solved. Have you compiled a report
yet? Frodpod's address is;
frdpd@hotmail.com
The site address is:
http://members.tripod.com/~Frodpod/obemain

It is now bookmarked thank you.
 

>I should hope that someday we will be taken more serious than we are
>currently.  I would hope that our friendships from around the globe could
>actually help this planet someday.
  I agree. I also happen to know that we are being 'watched' by some
rather eminent scientists, so we are being taken seriously!
>
>> Or are we all just cheating and is it time that I shut up?
>
>I can only speak for myself, and I know that I am not cheating.  I also
>know that you could not have cheated, you have never physically been to my
>home nor even seen a picture of me, there were to many hits for it to be a
>coincidence.  Cheer up Julia.  I am feeling better, so tonight I will try
>again to send you some healing energy.
   Thanks, Beth, I appreciate your support very much. My temperature
has finally fallen below 100 this morning, so I can see recovery
ahead, at last!

So glad to hear this!
  Trish has made some very worthwhile comments above. I emailed her
suggesting that the shared vitality and excitement of our rapid ng
posts about the girls night out was empowering. This doesn't happen
with a flat 'post yer posts and wait' approach. I don't give a toss
about being scientifically methodical, but maybe others do. I think
that Trish's suggestion of a shared group link is much more exciting.
What do you think?
Yes, I was having so many problems with my ISP yesterday that I could not respond to her suggestions, but I love her suggestions.  You are so wise Trish, I look up to you.

Let's make a plan.

Beth --------------643D16F91CDD0396A57C170E-- ###### From: Ken S. Newsgroups: alt.out-of-body Subject: Re: Seriously worried. Date: 11 Aug 1998 17:42:11 PDT Organization: Concentric Internet Services Lines: 16 Message-ID: <35d0e47d.21957477@news.ke9nr.org> References: <35cf4152.112486@news.dial.pipex.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: ts003d03.las-nv.concentric.net X-Newsreader: Forte Free Agent 1.11/16.235 Path: ccw.ch!pfaff.ethz.ch!news-zh.switch.ch!news.belnet.be!news-raspail.gip.net!news-peer.gip.net!news.gsl.net!gip.net!newsfeed.direct.ca!news-peer-west.sprintlink.net!news.sprintlink.net!newsfeed.concentric.net!207.155.183.80.MISMATCH!global-news-master Hi Neil - On 11 Aug 1998 22:13:48 +0200, Neil Franklin wrote: >If you are directly writing HTML you must insert an

for an new >line or an

for an new paragraph, or put the entire text in 

>and
to use the space/return formatting. If OTOH you are >expected to send an ASCII mail then the mail-to-Web program should add >the 
 stuff. But perhaps it has got an bug in it.

I'm sure it was just a typo, but 
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a new line.  
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The Other Ken
http://www.ke9nr.org/

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From: Neil Franklin 
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Subject: Re: Seriously worried.
Date: 11 Aug 1998 22:13:48 +0200
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hawksmoor@dial.pipex.com (Julia Hawkes-Moore) writes:
> 
>   I have to report that I am seriously worried about whatever has gone
> wrong with Frodpod's Astral Travellers page.

Actually I have not read anything from either Frodpod or Gallianoj
lately. Are they perhaps on holiday (it is the season) and so doing
nothing to the page?


> Not only does no-one seem
> to know where it is (I've got it bookmarked - where is it for other
> people to find?)

It has been posted often enough. It is at
http://members.tripod.com/~Frodpod/obemain

So people should find it O.K.


> but there seems to be a profound lack of feedback and
> basic interest in something which a few of us have been working hard
> to achieve. Has everyone else lost interest?

Or the active OBEers (a minority of the posters on the group) are on
holiday. Deifnitely Gunnar has just reported back today. Lars is off
in the military (time machine not working :-)). Silk is also somewhere
off-line.

And you 3 girls (at least 2 of you) had some great fun a few days ago.
Was a really good read. I was ROTFL multiple times.


>    I find it disturbing that, by attempting to do something exciting
> over the newsgroup, since the page wasn't working,  I get accused of
> "cheating".

Given that the girls night ouf was not one of the "official" outings
where scientific rigor is wanted, that accuation hase no legs to stand
on.


>    I posted several lengthy posts to Jean, through the page, reporting
> on our 'Girls' Night out' and also my 'Parthenon Report.' The latter
> one has vanished.

Or is waiting to be published with the other Parthenon ones at the
proper waiting period.


> The former one was a compilation of all the posts
> relating to the 'Girls's Night Out, so intelligible to another reader
> and which took me two hours to put together. But it has appeared as a
> dense and thus incomprehensible block of text, and not broken up into
> sensible sections, as it was when I sent it.

As ken has said. Web browsers kill all white-space (actually the
concatenate each run into one space and then add line breaks).

If you are directly writing HTML you must insert an 
 for an new
line or an 
 for an new paragraph, or put the entire text in 
and 
 to use the space/return formatting. If OTOH you are
expected to send an ASCII mail then the mail-to-Web program should add
the 
 stuff. But perhaps it has got an bug in it.

If you want any more HTML info just ask me. I hand write all the HTML
on my Website in an Notepad/Wordpad like editor (actually the same one
I use to write news posts).


> Several frantic emails to Jean met only a vague reply.

Perhaps she is overworked.


>   Can any of you computer buffs figure out how to rescue this sad
> case? Trish and Beth, does either of you have the patience to repost
> the sequence of our trip?

As I see Bart has addressed this. But anyway: I still have full copies
of these post in the state they came from the news server, plus of
most other a.o-o-b posts should anyone need an copy (I have my own
news server that does not expire, goes back to December 1997).


> Does anyone out there care enough to bother reading it? 

I got the night out in original, so I won't be reading that page, but
others surely will be good off to be able to read it. It was great.


>   As a writer I get very um... fidgety... if any of my work is messed
> up or lost. Or devalued. Or ignored. 

:-)


>    As a keen and devoted member of this newsgroup I am having serious
> worries about the purpose of it all. Are we here to share our
> information and attempt to develop a practical and cohesive system for
> out-of-body-travel, which could then have vast and potent implications
> for the future of humanity?

That is what I thought is was about.


> Or are we all just cheating and is it time that I shut up?

Please don't shut up. Your posts are too good for that.


-- 
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From: "Trish" 
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Beth wrote in message <35D08553.7691D15@pop.slkc.uswest.net>...
    Yes, I was having so many problems with my ISP yesterday that I =
could not respond to her suggestions, but I love her suggestions.  You =
are so wise Trish, I look up to you.=20
    Let's make a plan.=20
   =20
    Beth=20
   =20
   =20
   =20
    You're way too good to me Beth.  : )  Julia had suggested at one =
point that it might be nice to come by her place to visit the castles.  =
How about this next trip take place near her? =20
   =20
    Julia?
   =20
    .................................................... Trish
   =20
    AIM:  trishmunk1
    capuchin@gte.net
    capuchin2@hotmail.com  =20
    ..............................................................
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respond=20
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wise Trish,=20
    I look up to you.=20
    
Let's make a plan.=20
    
Beth=20
    
 

    
You're way too good to me Beth.  : )  Julia had =
suggested at=20
    one point that it might be nice to come by her place to visit the=20
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Julia?

    
.................................................... =
Trish

    
AIM: =20
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capuchin@gte.net
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Trish wrote:

>
>
>      Beth wrote in message
>      <35D08553.7691D15@pop.slkc.uswest.net>...Yes, I was having
>      so many problems with my ISP yesterday that I could not
>      respond to her suggestions, but I love her suggestions.  You
>      are so wise Trish, I look up to you.
>
>      Let's make a plan.
>
>      Beth
>
>
>
>      You're way too good to me Beth.  : )  Julia had suggested at
>      one point that it might be nice to come by her place to
>      visit the castles.  How about this next trip take place near
>      her?
>
>      Julia?
>
>      .................................................... Trish
>
>      AIM:  trishmunk1
>      capuchin@gte.net
>      capuchin2@hotmail.com
>
>      .............................................................
>
>
>
I am game.  When would this be and I will put it on my calendar.

Beth

######

From: gallianoj@aol.com (GALLIANOJ)
Newsgroups: alt.out-of-body
Subject: Re: Seriously worried.
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Julia,
    No one accused you of cheating!   What are you talking about?
Bart just made an observation that we use to wait 3 days before posting
results...wondering if the rules had changed.  They have and we are now posting
directly to Frod's page, it will come right up.   I hope you are feeling
better, this illness may be stressing you.  Listen, i never mean to be vague
but i have a regualr job which only makes time on week-ends to be here or early
in the morning (or late at night).  Please accept my apologies if i had upset
you in any way, im doing my best to keep up with the mail and the posts...among
the work, your mail and writings are priority to me and i value all of your
input.  Frod is keeping the page up nicely, take another look...nothing is
lost, i have everything from your Interview down to yesterdays mail.  Dont
worry, we are as in control as possible and both our sites are
developing...consentrate on getting better physically.

######

From: "Silverthorn Wolf" 
Newsgroups: alt.out-of-body
Subject: Re: Seriously worried.
Date: Thu, 13 Aug 1998 17:03:32 -0500
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I'm not sure, what this project is. I haven't been on the group for that
long.  From my gathering of reading posts, it looks like you are trying to
meet in an OBE and record your journey.
It sounds like a very neat idea.  I like Trish's idea about having a
partner.  I would love to join in, but after nine years of trying and still
not being able to do it, I wouldn't be of much help.  I did have a friend of
mine set up a meeting with me, thinking that maybe I was having OBE's just
not remembering them, and nothing happened.  *shrug*  Then he came to my
house (astrally) and tried to help get me out of my body.  No luck.
I guess I am doomed never to have one.  I haven't tried in probably 6 months
or so.  I would try for several months and then get tired and quit from it
for a few months, and try again...etc..
Good luck, as I said it does sound very interesting, I wish I could join.
Silverthorn Wolf

vmsmith@execpc.com
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From: "Silverthorn Wolf" 
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>>I would love to join in, but after nine years of trying and still
>>not being able to do it, I wouldn't be of much help.
>
>>I guess I am doomed never to have one.
>
>I keep forgetting to ask this all important question when people say
>they are unable to do it after so many years - that question is:
>
>What have you done so far?
>
>Bart
>

Well, as I said in my original post on this subject...I have had someone try
to help me out, and try to meet me somewhere.  Also I have tried about half
a dozen different tapes, one video, several books, made a tape myself, had
someone try to hypnotize me into it, and finally tried a spell to help with
it.  I even tried writing in a journal- " I will achieve astral projection
on or before this day"...(It was on this one tape of mine, and you put the
date 30 days from the start of the program.) I used the tape for about 2
months every night, and wrote in the journal every night before bed.  Even
though it was past the thirty days, I thought I would keep trying.

Oh well.

Silverthorn Wolf
vmsmith@execpc.com
So if you're born again, does this mean you believe in reincarnation?
To Reply: Change nospam to execpc
Or just click on the e-mail address above (DUH!)
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From: "Trish" 
Newsgroups: alt.out-of-body
Subject: Re: Seriously worried.
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Silverthorn Wolf wrote in message <6qvnog$77q@newsops.execpc.com>...
>I'm not sure, what this project is. I haven't been on the group for that
>long.  From my gathering of reading posts, it looks like you are trying to
>meet in an OBE and record your journey.
>It sounds like a very neat idea.  I like Trish's idea about having a
>partner.  I would love to join in, but after nine years of trying and still
>not being able to do it, I wouldn't be of much help.  I did have a friend
of
>mine set up a meeting with me, thinking that maybe I was having OBE's just
>not remembering them, and nothing happened.  *shrug*  Then he came to my
>house (astrally) and tried to help get me out of my body.  No luck.
>I guess I am doomed never to have one.  I haven't tried in probably 6
months
>or so.  I would try for several months and then get tired and quit from it
>for a few months, and try again...etc..
>Good luck, as I said it does sound very interesting, I wish I could join.
>Silverthorn Wolf


You're not doomed.  : )

Stick with us, as I think we have a new project coming up on the horizon.
Who knows, you just might surprise yourself.

.................................................... Trish
AIM:  trishmunk1
capuchin@gte.net
capuchin2@hotmail.com
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From: bartma12@ix.netcom.com(Bart Scott)
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Subject: Re: Seriously worried.
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In <6qvnog$77q@newsops.execpc.com> "Silverthorn Wolf"
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>

>I would love to join in, but after nine years of trying and still
>not being able to do it, I wouldn't be of much help.

>I guess I am doomed never to have one.

I keep forgetting to ask this all important question when people say
they are unable to do it after so many years - that question is:

What have you done so far?

Bart

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From: hawksmoor@dial.pipex.com (Julia Hawkes-Moore)
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Subject: Re: Seriously worried.
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>>I guess I am doomed never to have one.  I haven't tried in probably 6
>months
>>or so.  I would try for several months and then get tired and quit from it
>>for a few months, and try again...etc..
>>Good luck, as I said it does sound very interesting, I wish I could join.
>>Silverthorn Wolf

Doomed is a very unkind thing to say about a happy future! Have you
been meditating regularly, and practising visualisation? Do you do any
chakra work? Have you been reading every book about OOBE that you can
get your hands on? Try those.
JHM

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From: zzchriszz@webtv.net (C J P)
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Subject: Re: Seriously worried.
Date: Fri, 14 Aug 1998 18:54:43 -0500 (EST)
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Julia (and everyone),

I know that there are a few people that 
have signed up for these experiments, that are not frequent contributors
to this news 
group.  I am one of them.  I am also a 
struggling beginner when it comes to 
OBEs.  I don't think posting each and 
every one of my OBEs to the group (or the "Success" page) would be a
good thing to do.  It's not that I have had many of them.  Each and
every one so far has shown me 
something new, and made me look 
forward to the next one.  However, these are small steps, taken by a
beginner, and not very relevent to these experiments.  If I have any
success that relates, you will read it on the tavellers page.

jean has had some success reaching me, and she has posted it in the
"Success" book.  I can't wait to have something worth reporting, myself.

My point is, that at least on my part, the lack of feedback is not due
to a lack of interest, but from a lack of what I feel would be relevant
input.  Maybe some of the other people on that list feel the same way.
The partners experiment has overall been a good experience for me, but
it has perhaps led to a lack of group communication.  This may be
particularly true for the people who do not post frequently here.  Or
maybe it's just me :-).

ZZZZZZZZZ
ZZChrisZZZ
ZZZZZZZZZ

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From: J L Williams 
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Subject: Re: Seriously worried.
Date: Sat, 15 Aug 1998 11:05:32 +0100
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The message <16996-35D4CE43-45@newsd-161.iap.bryant.webtv.net>
  from  zzchriszz@webtv.net (C J P) contains these words: 

> Julia (and everyone),

<>

> My point is, that at least on my part, the lack of feedback is not due
> to a lack of interest, but from a lack of what I feel would be relevant
> input.  Maybe some of the other people on that list feel the same way.

Christine,
I have not offered to join these experiments because I am so new at it.
I have little to offer the experienced members but what happens to me 
is exciting
but I feel would bore others.

> The partners experiment has overall been a good experience for me, but
> it has perhaps led to a lack of group communication.  This may be
> particularly true for the people who do not post frequently here.  Or
> maybe it's just me :-).

But I do enjoy reading all your happenings, success or not so successful :-)
Jim

> ZZZZZZZZZ
> ZZChrisZZZ
> ZZZZZZZZZ

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From: oob_micke@my-dejanews.com
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Subject: Re: Seriously worried.
Date: Tue, 18 Aug 1998 23:33:45 GMT
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  J L Williams  wrote:

> > My point is, that at least on my part, the lack of feedback is not due
> > to a lack of interest, but from a lack of what I feel would be relevant
> > input.  Maybe some of the other people on that list feel the same way.
>
> Christine,
> I have not offered to join these experiments because I am so new at it.
> I have little to offer the experienced members but what happens to me
> is exciting
> but I feel would bore others.
>

I haven't either joined the experiments yet, because I think I
have been too new at it. I haven't had any more OBE/LD since my
first attempts about two months ago.
But I will join now anyway, that might be what I need to have
some more success. Thats what the experiments are for anyway,
to improve our abilities to have OBE.

It is great to have this opportunity to participate in the
experiments. It is great to have this newsgroup too, without
it I would not know anything about OBE.

/Mikael
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From: zzchriszz@webtv.net (C J P)
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Jim and /Mikael,

When these experiments were first proposed, it was to the OBE NG and the
lucid dream NG that the posts were made.  At the time I had spent my
time in the LD NG, and had never had a OBE before.  Although the
experiments seem primarily geared towards OBEers, LDers have always been
welcome.  When I joined I had my doubts, both about the reality of OBEs
and my ability to do such a thing myself.  If you have had ANY
experience with OBEs, you are already further along than I was when I
started.  I have had around ten OBEs  in the months since the first trip
to the Sphinx, and it has opened a whole new perspective of reality to
me.  My personal gain has (so far) been greater than what I have given
back to the group, and that trend probably will continue for a while.
But considering the years that the more prolific posters in this group
have spent developing their abilities and knowledge, the added incentive
of a group effort has (I believe) helped me to gain a small bit of
ground.  It is well worth the effort.    

BTW, not that it really matters, but I am Chris (male), not Christine.

ZZZZZZZZZ
ZZChrisZZZ
ZZZZZZZZZ

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From: J L Williams 
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The message <18475-35DA3009-41@newsd-163.iap.bryant.webtv.net>
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> Jim and /Mikael,

<>

  When I joined I had my doubts, both about the reality of OBEs
> and my ability to do such a thing myself.  If you have had ANY
> experience with OBEs, you are already further along than I was when I
> started. 

Chris, well I had 3 many years ago & apart and all might be considered nde's.

>  I have had around ten OBEs  in the months since the first trip
> to the Sphinx, and it has opened a whole new perspective of reality to
> me.

I have had only the one since I came across this group 4/5 weeks ago 
and that I put down to a temporary separate sleepng arrangement.

  My personal gain has (so far) been greater than what I have given
> back to the group, and that trend probably will continue for a while.

That is true here as well, I lost all fear of obe'ing and what to do 
to enhance the experience if & when it came :-)

> But considering the years that the more prolific posters in this group
> have spent developing their abilities and knowledge, the added incentive
> of a group effort has (I believe) helped me to gain a small bit of
> ground.  It is well worth the effort.    

Yes it is worth the effort but lots of my efforts are affected/ 
wasted because of the difficulties in ignoring stimuli from the 
waking world. When I can do that I shall make rapid progress I am 
absolutely sure :-) I have been helped by advice from members about meditation.

> BTW, not that it really matters, but I am Chris (male), not Christine.

Beg your pardon Chris, this mistake is often made where we cannot see 
the respondant :-)
Jim

> ZZZZZZZZZ
> ZZChrisZZZ
> ZZZZZZZZZ