Message-ID: <35C00327.A43A521A@the.end.of.message> Date: Thu, 30 Jul 1998 15:22:47 +1000 From: Craig X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.05 [en] (Win95; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 Newsgroups: alt.out-of-body Subject: Idea or dud? Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit NNTP-Posting-Host: 203.18.28.41 X-Trace: 30 Jul 1998 19:39:33 +1000, 203.18.28.41 Lines: 21 Path: ccw.ch!pfaff.ethz.ch!news-zh.switch.ch!news-ge.switch.ch!news.maxwell.syr.edu!ptdnetP!newsgate.ptd.net!fastnet!uunet!in1.uu.net!nap-ns1!203.18.28.41 Hmmm, I was just wondering. When a lurker or newbie joins the group with a post, everyone always welcomes them and this shows the friendliness that has come to this group over resent months. :-) Would it be a good idea to have someone responsible for posting a reply to these people with an 'official' welcome. Something that could have the links to the pages we have and maybe a few links to some other sites of interest for anyone starting out. It would sure be a help to everyone repeating themselves to those that come in with the usual "HELP!" or 'Tell me how.' questions. Or is that getting a little too formal? Just my thoughts. :-) All the best Craig -- The sure way to make a thing impossible- -is to think it so. --- Franklin To respond, delete _nospam_ scrappy@_nospam_netconnect.com.au ###### From: in@my.sig (Diane) Newsgroups: alt.out-of-body Subject: Re: Idea or dud? Date: Thu, 30 Jul 1998 16:11:17 GMT Organization: United States Internet, Inc. Lines: 21 Message-ID: <35c09af7.680632018@nntp.usit.net> References: <35C00327.A43A521A@the.end.of.message> Reply-To: in@my.sig NNTP-Posting-Host: dialup313.vabla.usit.net Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Newsreader: Forte Agent 1.5/16.451 Path: ccw.ch!pfaff.ethz.ch!news-zh.switch.ch!news.belnet.be!newspump.monmouth.com!newspeer.monmouth.com!chippy.visi.com!news-out.visi.com!newsxfer.visi.net!newsfeed.usit.net!news.usit.net!not-for-mail Craig wrote on Thu, 30 Jul 1998 15:22:47 +1000: >Hmmm, I was just wondering. When a lurker or newbie joins the group with >a post, everyone always welcomes them and this shows the friendliness >that has come to this group over resent months. :-) Would it be a good >idea to have someone responsible for posting a reply to these people >with an 'official' welcome. Something that could have the links to the >pages we have and maybe a few links to some other sites of interest for >anyone starting out. It would sure be a help to everyone repeating >themselves to those that come in with the usual "HELP!" or 'Tell me >how.' questions. Or is that getting a little too formal? Just my >thoughts. :-) > >All the best >Craig Sounds good to me. I nominate Craig ;-) Diane dianeb@geocities.com ###### From: marxworld@webtv.net (marx shadow) Newsgroups: alt.out-of-body Subject: Re: Idea or dud? Date: Thu, 30 Jul 1998 17:00:50 -0400 (EDT) Organization: WebTV Subscriber Lines: 26 Message-ID: <22996-35C0DF02-49@newsd-103.iap.bryant.webtv.net> References: <35C0AA90.5C74C64C@pop.slkc.uswest.net> NNTP-Posting-Host: localhost.webtv.net Mime-Version: 1.0 (WebTV) Content-Type: Multipart/Mixed; Boundary=WebTV-Mail-1086610345-5483 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7Bit X-WebTV-Signature: 1 ETAtAhRipoqFKzCdA0iBMZ3AAnVup2Hz9QIVAMk0JnmteV3NqJCcoJ10OQP4frz8 X-WebTV-Stationery: Standard; Background="http://members.tripod.com/~webtv25/pswrl.gif"; TextColor=white Path: ccw.ch!pfaff.ethz.ch!news-zh.switch.ch!news.belnet.be!news-raspail.gip.net!news-peer.gip.net!news.gsl.net!gip.net!news-peer.sprintlink.net!news.sprintlink.net!netnews.com!priori!newsfeed.concentric.net!webtv.net!not-for-mail --WebTV-Mail-1086610345-5483 Content-Type: Text/Plain; Charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7Bit Good idea Craig... --WebTV-Mail-1086610345-5483 Content-Description: signature Content-Disposition: Inline Content-Type: Text/HTML; Charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7Bit

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--WebTV-Mail-1086610345-5483-- ###### From: chen_49@my-dejanews.com Newsgroups: alt.out-of-body Subject: Re: Idea or dud? Date: Fri, 31 Jul 1998 02:46:38 GMT Organization: Deja News - The Leader in Internet Discussion Lines: 22 Message-ID: <6prb6f$vfe$1@nnrp1.dejanews.com> References: <35C00327.A43A521A@the.end.of.message> NNTP-Posting-Host: 204.244.158.167 X-Article-Creation-Date: Fri Jul 31 02:46:38 1998 GMT X-Http-User-Agent: Mozilla/3.0C-CIBCPrRtIP (Win16; U) Path: ccw.ch!pfaff.ethz.ch!news-zh.switch.ch!news-ge.switch.ch!news.maxwell.syr.edu!nntp2.dejanews.com!nnrp1.dejanews.com!not-for-mail In article <35C00327.A43A521A@the.end.of.message>, Craig wrote: > Hmmm, I was just wondering. When a lurker or newbie joins the group with > a post, everyone always welcomes them and this shows the friendliness > that has come to this group over resent(SIC) months. Spelling -- Spelling -- Spelling....Email can be re-sent ....You can resent something ....but I think you were trying to say "recent months" Sorry Craig. Didn't want to embarrass you. Just couldn't let an obvious typo go uncorrected. I guess, as one of the newbies to this group, I have appointed myself official spell-checker and proof-reader. Hey, it's all in the name of quality assurance. Best regards, Mark -- -----== Posted via Deja News, The Leader in Internet Discussion ==----- http://www.dejanews.com/rg_mkgrp.xp Create Your Own Free Member Forum ###### From: in@my.sig (Diane) Newsgroups: alt.out-of-body Subject: Re: Idea or dud? Date: Fri, 31 Jul 1998 13:31:34 GMT Organization: United States Internet, Inc. Lines: 31 Message-ID: <35c1c5ed.757177091@nntp.usit.net> References: <35C00327.A43A521A@the.end.of.message> <6prb6f$vfe$1@nnrp1.dejanews.com> Reply-To: in@my.sig NNTP-Posting-Host: dialup288.vabla.usit.net Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Newsreader: Forte Agent 1.5/16.451 Path: ccw.ch!pfaff.ethz.ch!news-zh.switch.ch!news-ge.switch.ch!newscore.univie.ac.at!news-raspail.gip.net!news-dc.gip.net!news-peer.gip.net!news.gsl.net!gip.net!sunqbc.risq.qc.ca!newsxfer.visi.net!newsfeed.usit.net!news.usit.net!not-for-mail chen_49@my-dejanews.com wrote on Fri, 31 Jul 1998 02:46:38 GMT: >In article <35C00327.A43A521A@the.end.of.message>, > Craig wrote: >> Hmmm, I was just wondering. When a lurker or newbie joins the group with >> a post, everyone always welcomes them and this shows the friendliness >> that has come to this group over resent(SIC) months. > >Spelling -- Spelling -- Spelling....Email can be re-sent > ....You can resent something > ....but I think you were trying to say "recent months" > >Sorry Craig. Didn't want to embarrass you. Just couldn't let an obvious typo >go uncorrected. I guess, as one of the newbies to this group, I have >appointed myself official spell-checker and proof-reader. Hey, it's all in >the name of quality assurance. > >Best regards, > >Mark If you didn't want to embarrass him, you wouldn't have corrected him. And besides, you probably didn't even embarrass him; you just made yourself look a... no, I won't insult you. If you are going to go around correcting people in this newsgroup, as you have implied, than you might not feel as welcome as you might wish. I sincerely hope you are kidding about that. We already have one person who likes to boost his ego by doing so, we don't need another. Diane dianeb at geocities dot com ###### From: "Richard" Newsgroups: alt.out-of-body Subject: Re: Idea or dud? Date: Fri, 31 Jul 1998 17:51:01 -0700 Organization: Verio Northern California's Usenet News Service Lines: 87 Message-ID: <6ptouc$fjp$2@news.ncal.verio.com> References: <35C00327.A43A521A@the.end.of.message> <6prb6f$vfe$1@nnrp1.dejanews.com> <35c1c5ed.757177091@nntp.usit.net> <35C20288.67845C8F@the.end.of.message> NNTP-Posting-Host: cyrax01.arcology.net X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.3110.1 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.3110.3 Path: ccw.ch!pfaff.ethz.ch!news-zh.switch.ch!news.belnet.be!news-raspail.gip.net!news-peer.gip.net!news.gsl.net!gip.net!peerfeed.ncal.verio.net!news.ncal.verio.com!not-for-mail Since I did not actually see any post to a place with information, although it is a good idea. . . I will say Check out this page of links below. I will say welcome to lurking people. Now I will run my spell checker before sending. :-)) Visit this web page for some useful OOB links. . . www.angelfire.com/ca/onestepbeyond/ -- RBWalton To respond, delete #nospam# rbwalton@#nospam#outrageous.net Craig wrote in message <35C20288.67845C8F@the.end.of.message>... >Diane wrote: > >> chen_49@my-dejanews.com wrote on Fri, 31 Jul 1998 02:46:38 GMT: >> >> >In article <35C00327.A43A521A@the.end.of.message>, >> > Craig wrote: >> >> Hmmm, I was just wondering. When a lurker or newbie joins the group with >> >> a post, everyone always welcomes them and this shows the friendliness >> >> that has come to this group over resent(SIC) months. >> > >> >Spelling -- Spelling -- Spelling....Email can be re-sent >> > ....You can resent something >> > ....but I think you were trying to say "recent months" >> > >> >Sorry Craig. Didn't want to embarrass you. Just couldn't let an obvious typo >> >go uncorrected. I guess, as one of the newbies to this group, I have >> >appointed myself official spell-checker and proof-reader. Hey, it's all in >> >the name of quality assurance. >> > >> >Best regards, >> > >> >Mark >> >> If you didn't want to embarrass him, you wouldn't have corrected him. >> And besides, you probably didn't even embarrass him; you just made >> yourself look a... no, I won't insult you. If you are going to go >> around correcting people in this newsgroup, as you have implied, than >> you might not feel as welcome as you might wish. I sincerely hope you >> are kidding about that. We already have one person who likes to boost >> his ego by doing so, we don't need another. >> >> Diane >> dianeb at geocities dot com > >Thanks Diane. I would never have seen that if you hadn't have replied >with the quote there. :-) > >As for you Mark! ...... you know what they say about first impressions >don't you!!! I'd say you may have shown people more about you than you >wanted to! I'm sorry I'm not perfect in your eyes, I just didn't know >you wanted me to try so hard. Anyway .... > >> ....You can resent something >> > Sorry, I think you made a typo MATE! >didn't you mean .... I WILL resent SOMEONE! > >I made, what i thought was a good idea 'on topic' and you get so petty >as to reply by correcting my spelling? And it was people like you, >*newbies*, that I wanted to extend a friendly hand to! >Well, go ahead and APPOINT yourself then. Just make sure you check your >own posts 100% > >All the best (NOT) >Craig. > >-- >The sure way to make a thing impossible- > -is to think it so. --- Franklin > >To respond, delete _nospam_ >scrappy@_nospam_netconnect.com.au > ###### From: Zac Newsgroups: alt.out-of-body Subject: Re: Idea or dud? Date: Fri, 31 Jul 1998 21:25:55 -0700 Organization: none Lines: 31 Message-ID: <35C298D3.62C0@geocities.com> References: <35C00327.A43A521A@the.end.of.message> <6prb6f$vfe$1@nnrp1.dejanews.com> Reply-To: psycho_dude@geocities.com NNTP-Posting-Host: ple-ca8-06.ix.netcom.com Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-NETCOM-Date: Fri Jul 31 9:18:40 PM PDT 1998 X-Mailer: Mozilla 3.04Gold (Win95; I) Path: ccw.ch!pfaff.ethz.ch!news-zh.switch.ch!news.belnet.be!news-raspail.gip.net!news-peer.gip.net!news.gsl.net!gip.net!ix.netcom.com!news chen_49@my-dejanews.com wrote: > > In article <35C00327.A43A521A@the.end.of.message>, > Craig wrote: > > Hmmm, I was just wondering. When a lurker or newbie joins the group with > > a post, everyone always welcomes them and this shows the friendliness > > that has come to this group over resent(SIC) months. > > Spelling -- Spelling -- Spelling....Email can be re-sent > ....You can resent something > ....but I think you were trying to say "recent months" > > Sorry Craig. Didn't want to embarrass you. Just couldn't let an obvious typo > go uncorrected. I guess, as one of the newbies to this group, I have > appointed myself official spell-checker and proof-reader. Hey, it's all in > the name of quality assurance. > I thought Silk was the official spell checker :-) > Best regards, > > Mark > -- > > -----== Posted via Deja News, The Leader in Internet Discussion ==----- > http://www.dejanews.com/rg_mkgrp.xp Create Your Own Free Member Forum -- -Zac I have great faith in fools, self-confidence my friends call it. --Edgar Allen Poe ###### Message-ID: <35C20288.67845C8F@the.end.of.message> Date: Sat, 01 Aug 1998 03:44:40 +1000 From: Craig Organization: Deja Vous X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.05 [en] (Win95; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 Newsgroups: alt.out-of-body Subject: Re: Idea or dud? References: <35C00327.A43A521A@the.end.of.message> <6prb6f$vfe$1@nnrp1.dejanews.com> <35c1c5ed.757177091@nntp.usit.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit NNTP-Posting-Host: 203.18.28.53 X-Trace: 1 Aug 1998 03:46:37 +1000, 203.18.28.53 Lines: 63 Path: ccw.ch!pfaff.ethz.ch!news-zh.switch.ch!news-ge.switch.ch!news.maxwell.syr.edu!newsfeed.wli.net!uunet!uunet!in1.uu.net!nap-ns1!203.18.28.53 Diane wrote: > chen_49@my-dejanews.com wrote on Fri, 31 Jul 1998 02:46:38 GMT: > > >In article <35C00327.A43A521A@the.end.of.message>, > > Craig wrote: > >> Hmmm, I was just wondering. When a lurker or newbie joins the group with > >> a post, everyone always welcomes them and this shows the friendliness > >> that has come to this group over resent(SIC) months. > > > >Spelling -- Spelling -- Spelling....Email can be re-sent > > ....You can resent something > > ....but I think you were trying to say "recent months" > > > >Sorry Craig. Didn't want to embarrass you. Just couldn't let an obvious typo > >go uncorrected. I guess, as one of the newbies to this group, I have > >appointed myself official spell-checker and proof-reader. Hey, it's all in > >the name of quality assurance. > > > >Best regards, > > > >Mark > > If you didn't want to embarrass him, you wouldn't have corrected him. > And besides, you probably didn't even embarrass him; you just made > yourself look a... no, I won't insult you. If you are going to go > around correcting people in this newsgroup, as you have implied, than > you might not feel as welcome as you might wish. I sincerely hope you > are kidding about that. We already have one person who likes to boost > his ego by doing so, we don't need another. > > Diane > dianeb at geocities dot com Thanks Diane. I would never have seen that if you hadn't have replied with the quote there. :-) As for you Mark! ...... you know what they say about first impressions don't you!!! I'd say you may have shown people more about you than you wanted to! I'm sorry I'm not perfect in your eyes, I just didn't know you wanted me to try so hard. Anyway .... > ....You can resent something > Sorry, I think you made a typo MATE! didn't you mean .... I WILL resent SOMEONE! I made, what i thought was a good idea 'on topic' and you get so petty as to reply by correcting my spelling? And it was people like you, *newbies*, that I wanted to extend a friendly hand to! Well, go ahead and APPOINT yourself then. Just make sure you check your own posts 100% All the best (NOT) Craig. -- The sure way to make a thing impossible- -is to think it so. --- Franklin To respond, delete _nospam_ scrappy@_nospam_netconnect.com.au ###### From: chen_49@my-dejanews.com Newsgroups: alt.out-of-body Subject: Re: Idea or dud? Date: Sat, 01 Aug 1998 05:19:33 GMT Organization: Deja News - The Leader in Internet Discussion Lines: 109 Message-ID: <6pu8h5$ppi$1@nnrp1.dejanews.com> References: <35C00327.A43A521A@the.end.of.message> <6prb6f$vfe$1@nnrp1.dejanews.com> <35c1c5ed.757177091@nntp.usit.net> <35C20288.67845C8F@the.end.of.message> <6ptouc$fjp$2@news.ncal.verio.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: 204.244.163.151 X-Article-Creation-Date: Sat Aug 01 05:19:33 1998 GMT X-Http-User-Agent: Mozilla/3.0C-CIBCPrRtIP (Win16; U) Path: ccw.ch!pfaff.ethz.ch!news-zh.switch.ch!news.belnet.be!newspump.monmouth.com!newspeer.monmouth.com!nntp2.dejanews.com!nnrp1.dejanews.com!not-for-mail My apologies people. Did not mean for my "spell-checker" posting to get out of hand...just my light-hearted nature...no I am not on an ego trip (quite the opposite). I will however, make one observation in general (not directed at anyone member of this NG)....Aren't we all supposed to be above "petty" little things?...I mean, for people with supposedly a "higher" perspective on life, in touch with a more refined part of the self, my innocent little posting caused some of you to really lay it on a bit heavy, don't you think? I am assuming here, of course, that the ultimate goal in the OOBE experience is for spiritual evolution. Also, some of the "philosophical" nattering back and forth that I've noticed on this NG, in my opinion, does not do this group any justice. I have read some very entertaining postings here. (Let's not ignore the positive). These postings are the type that offer genuine encouragement and positive feedback. More of these please! Once more, I do feel badly for offending anyone with my original post. Chalk it up to a rookie error. I also resign my position as unofficial spell-checker and gadfly. In article <6ptouc$fjp$2@news.ncal.verio.com>, "Richard" wrote: > Since I did not actually see any post to a place with information, although > it is a good idea. . . I will say Check out this page of links below. I > will say welcome to lurking people. Now I will run my spell checker before > sending. :-)) Visit this web page for some useful OOB links. . . > www.angelfire.com/ca/onestepbeyond/ > > -- > RBWalton > > To respond, delete #nospam# > rbwalton@#nospam#outrageous.net > > Craig wrote in message <35C20288.67845C8F@the.end.of.message>... > >Diane wrote: > > > >> chen_49@my-dejanews.com wrote on Fri, 31 Jul 1998 02:46:38 GMT: > >> > >> >In article <35C00327.A43A521A@the.end.of.message>, > >> > Craig wrote: > >> >> Hmmm, I was just wondering. When a lurker or newbie joins the group > with > >> >> a post, everyone always welcomes them and this shows the friendliness > >> >> that has come to this group over resent(SIC) months. > >> > > >> >Spelling -- Spelling -- Spelling....Email can be re-sent > >> > ....You can resent something > >> > ....but I think you were trying to say "recent months" > >> > > >> >Sorry Craig. Didn't want to embarrass you. Just couldn't let an obvious > typo > >> >go uncorrected. I guess, as one of the newbies to this group, I have > >> >appointed myself official spell-checker and proof-reader. Hey, it's all > in > >> >the name of quality assurance. > >> > > >> >Best regards, > >> > > >> >Mark > >> > >> If you didn't want to embarrass him, you wouldn't have corrected him. > >> And besides, you probably didn't even embarrass him; you just made > >> yourself look a... no, I won't insult you. If you are going to go > >> around correcting people in this newsgroup, as you have implied, than > >> you might not feel as welcome as you might wish. I sincerely hope you > >> are kidding about that. We already have one person who likes to boost > >> his ego by doing so, we don't need another. > >> > >> Diane > >> dianeb at geocities dot com > > > >Thanks Diane. I would never have seen that if you hadn't have replied > >with the quote there. :-) > > > >As for you Mark! ...... you know what they say about first impressions > >don't you!!! I'd say you may have shown people more about you than you > >wanted to! I'm sorry I'm not perfect in your eyes, I just didn't know > >you wanted me to try so hard. Anyway .... > > > >> ....You can resent something > >> > > Sorry, I think you made a typo MATE! > >didn't you mean .... I WILL resent SOMEONE! > > > >I made, what i thought was a good idea 'on topic' and you get so petty > >as to reply by correcting my spelling? And it was people like you, > >*newbies*, that I wanted to extend a friendly hand to! > >Well, go ahead and APPOINT yourself then. Just make sure you check your > >own posts 100% > > > >All the best (NOT) > >Craig. > > > >-- > >The sure way to make a thing impossible- > > -is to think it so. --- Franklin > > > >To respond, delete _nospam_ > >scrappy@_nospam_netconnect.com.au > > > > -- "The truth is out there..." -----== Posted via Deja News, The Leader in Internet Discussion ==----- http://www.dejanews.com/rg_mkgrp.xp Create Your Own Free Member Forum ###### From: in@my.sig (Diane) Newsgroups: alt.out-of-body Subject: Re: Idea or dud? Date: Sat, 01 Aug 1998 12:55:17 GMT Organization: United States Internet, Inc. Lines: 44 Message-ID: <35c41024.841725238@nntp.usit.net> References: <35C00327.A43A521A@the.end.of.message> <6prb6f$vfe$1@nnrp1.dejanews.com> <35c1c5ed.757177091@nntp.usit.net> <35C20288.67845C8F@the.end.of.message> <6ptouc$fjp$2@news.ncal.verio.com> <6pu8h5$ppi$1@nnrp1.dejanews.com> Reply-To: in@my.sig NNTP-Posting-Host: dialup317.vabla.usit.net Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Newsreader: Forte Agent 1.5/16.451 Path: ccw.ch!pfaff.ethz.ch!news-zh.switch.ch!news.belnet.be!newspump.monmouth.com!newspeer.monmouth.com!newsfeed.internetmci.com!199.1.48.12!newsfeed.usit.net!news.usit.net!not-for-mail chen_49@my-dejanews.com wrote on Sat, 01 Aug 1998 05:19:33 GMT: >My apologies people. Did not mean for my "spell-checker" posting to get out >of hand...just my light-hearted nature...no I am not on an ego trip (quite >the opposite). I will however, make one observation in general (not directed >at anyone member of this NG)....Aren't we all supposed to be above "petty" >little things?... So we should ignore the 'petty' things while you correct us for making petty spelling mistakes? No, that's not how it works. You might have been light-hearted in your post, but it didn't come across that way to me. I guess I just hate when people correct someone's spelling or grammar in a setting like this. This is the equivalent of 'chatting' in real life, and we shouldn't have to watch what we write (as far as whether its correct). When people talk with others, they generally don't worry as much about grammar and sentence structure, as when we write in newsgroups we might not worry so much about such things either. I believe you might have a light-hearted nature, and I hope to see it :-) Your post wasn't all that bad, I just sort of wanted to nip it in the bud ;-) Oh, and the least you could do, if you are going to correct someone's spelling, is to say something relevant to what that person said. Diane cafal at yahoo dot com >I mean, for people with supposedly a "higher" perspective on >life, in touch with a more refined part of the self, my innocent little >posting caused some of you to really lay it on a bit heavy, don't you think? >I am assuming here, of course, that the ultimate goal in the OOBE experience >is for spiritual evolution. Also, some of the "philosophical" nattering back >and forth that I've noticed on this NG, in my opinion, does not do this group >any justice. > >I have read some very entertaining postings here. (Let's not ignore the >positive). These postings are the type that offer genuine encouragement and >positive feedback. More of these please! Once more, I do feel badly for >offending anyone with my original post. Chalk it up to a rookie error. I also >resign my position as unofficial spell-checker and gadfly. > > ###### From: silkdick@aol.com (Silk Dick) Newsgroups: alt.out-of-body Subject: Re: Idea or dud? Lines: 22 Message-ID: <1998080114025900.KAA07038@ladder01.news.aol.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: ladder01.news.aol.com X-Admin: news@aol.com Date: 01 Aug 1998 14:02:59 GMT References: <35C00327.A43A521A@the.end.of.message> Organization: AOL http://www.aol.com X-Newsreader: AOL Offline Reader Path: ccw.ch!pfaff.ethz.ch!news-zh.switch.ch!news.belnet.be!news-raspail.gip.net!news-peer.gip.net!news.gsl.net!gip.net!portc01.blue.aol.com!audrey01.news.aol.com!not-for-mail In article <35C00327.A43A521A@the.end.of.message>, Craig writes: > It would sure be a help to everyone repeating >themselves to those that come in with the usual "HELP!" or 'Tell me >how.' questions. Or is that getting a little too formal? Just my >thoughts. :-) personally, I just delete those types of thread on sight. Anyone with at least HALF a brain will READ FIRST, and ask questions later, AFTER they've tried out what they've already studied. the posts where people SHARE what they've LEARNED are the one's worth reading. posts where people WHINE and COMPLAIN about their failures are not worth even looking at. Pleasant Dreams |-) Silk Richard.Silk@Juno.Com SilkDick@aol.com Pager #615-923-1696 ###### Message-ID: <35C32BCF.DBAD1890@the.end.of.message> Date: Sun, 02 Aug 1998 00:53:03 +1000 From: Craig Organization: Deja Vous X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.05 [en] (Win95; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 Newsgroups: alt.out-of-body Subject: Re: Idea or dud? References: <35C00327.A43A521A@the.end.of.message> <6prb6f$vfe$1@nnrp1.dejanews.com> <35c1c5ed.757177091@nntp.usit.net> <35C20288.67845C8F@the.end.of.message> <6ptouc$fjp$2@news.ncal.verio.com> <6pu8h5$ppi$1@nnrp1.dejanews.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit NNTP-Posting-Host: 203.18.28.46 X-Trace: 2 Aug 1998 02:02:19 +1000, 203.18.28.46 Lines: 33 Path: ccw.ch!pfaff.ethz.ch!news-zh.switch.ch!news.belnet.be!news-raspail.gip.net!news-peer.gip.net!news.gsl.net!gip.net!newshub.northeast.verio.net!newsfeed.nyu.edu!newsfeed.sgi.net!uunet!uunet!in1.uu.net!nap-ns1!203.18.28.46 Hi Mark. > My apologies people. Did not mean for my "spell-checker" posting to get out > of hand...just my light-hearted nature...no I am not on an ego trip (quite > the opposite). I will however, make one observation in general (not > directed at anyone member of this NG)....Aren't we all supposed to be above > "petty" little things?... Hmmmm. A public apology! Okay, I guess *i* can accept that. :-) Just one thing though, it wasn't a typo a spell checker would pick up! IF, you had added something else to the post about my original question, Mark, maybe I would have picked up on the 'light hearted nature'. That's what really made me angry. Just the fact that you only posted to correct me, not to actually input something yourself. I'd call that self gratification, but others may disagree. It's one thing to kid around with people who you talk to frequently, but surely you understand, I've never spoken with you before. And, well, what you did, imo, was petty, so to answer that question, no, I don't think we are above petty things. ;-) Anyway, let's put it behind us Mark. You showed, at least me, that you had the guts to come back and keep posting. :-) THAT, has to be a good quality, and maybe somewhat of a *near* first impression. :-) I apologize for snapping back like a great big rubber band!! All the best Craig -- The sure way to make a thing impossible- -is to think it so. --- Franklin To respond, delete _nospam_ scrappy@_nospam_netconnect.com.au ###### Message-ID: <35C3433B.6EFBDFD0@the.end.of.message> Date: Sun, 02 Aug 1998 02:32:59 +1000 From: Craig Organization: Deja Vous X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.05 [en] (Win95; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 Newsgroups: alt.out-of-body Subject: Re: Idea or dud? References: <35C00327.A43A521A@the.end.of.message> <1998080114025900.KAA07038@ladder01.news.aol.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit NNTP-Posting-Host: 203.18.28.43 X-Trace: 2 Aug 1998 02:45:32 +1000, 203.18.28.43 Lines: 43 Path: ccw.ch!pfaff.ethz.ch!news-zh.switch.ch!news.belnet.be!news-raspail.gip.net!news-peer.gip.net!news.gsl.net!gip.net!nntp.abs.net!uunet!uunet!in1.uu.net!nap-ns1!203.18.28.43 Silk Dick wrote: > > In article <35C00327.A43A521A@the.end.of.message>, Craig > writes: > > > It would sure be a help to everyone repeating > >themselves to those that come in with the usual "HELP!" or 'Tell me > >how.' questions. Or is that getting a little too formal? Just my > >thoughts. :-) > > personally, I just delete those types of thread on sight. Anyone with at least > HALF a brain will READ FIRST, and ask questions later, AFTER they've tried out > what they've already studied. > > the posts where people SHARE what they've LEARNED are the one's worth reading. > posts where people WHINE and COMPLAIN about their failures are not worth even > looking at. > > Pleasant Dreams |-) > Silk > > Richard.Silk@Juno.Com > SilkDick@aol.com > Pager #615-923-1696 I know how you feel Silk. But that doesn't mean we should just ignore these people, imo. Look, some people want answers fast. Granted, they are lazy. But we need not give them anything they don't have to work for. I'm suggesting that we give them some links that they can go off and read, then they can come back with QUESTIONS or better still, experiences. :-) We will never be rid of the 'Help ME!'s. Ignoring them doesn't help stop them. And with all the lurkers that don't post, just read, it gives them some help as well. :-) All the best Craig -- The sure way to make a thing impossible- -is to think it so. --- Franklin To respond, delete _nospam_ scrappy@_nospam_netconnect.com.au ###### From: silkdick@aol.com (Silk Dick) Newsgroups: alt.out-of-body Subject: Re: Idea or dud? Lines: 21 Message-ID: <1998080211301700.HAA13770@ladder03.news.aol.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: ladder03.news.aol.com X-Admin: news@aol.com Date: 02 Aug 1998 11:30:17 GMT References: <35C3433B.6EFBDFD0@the.end.of.message> Organization: AOL http://www.aol.com X-Newsreader: AOL Offline Reader Path: ccw.ch!pfaff.ethz.ch!news-zh.switch.ch!news-ge.switch.ch!newsfeed.uk.ibm.net!ibm.net!news-feed.inet.tele.dk!bofh.vszbr.cz!cpk-news-hub1.bbnplanet.com!news.bbnplanet.com!newsfeed.internetmci.com!152.163.199.19!portc03.blue.aol.com!audrey03.news.aol.com!not-for-mail In article <35C3433B.6EFBDFD0@the.end.of.message>, Craig writes: >I know how you feel Silk. But that doesn't mean we should just ignore these >people, imo. Look, some people want answers fast. Granted, they are lazy. But >we need not give them anything they don't have to work for. I'm suggesting >that we give them some links that they can go off and read, then they can >come back with QUESTIONS or better still, experiences. :-) good thought on the end there... if you want to spend time responding to "HELP ME!" topics, by all means, feel free! :-) But if ALL the "help me!" threads were SUMMARILY ignored, then the posters *might* find a better way of approaching the issues at hand... Pleasant Dreams |-) Silk Richard.Silk@Juno.Com SilkDick@aol.com Pager #615-923-1696 ###### From: Zac Newsgroups: alt.out-of-body Subject: Re: Idea or dud? Date: Sun, 02 Aug 1998 17:16:48 -0700 Organization: none Lines: 17 Message-ID: <35C50170.2A48@geocities.com> References: <35C3433B.6EFBDFD0@the.end.of.message> <1998080211301700.HAA13770@ladder03.news.aol.com> <35C4C8F1.7A1F8D83@the.end.of.message> <6q2tj9$2ep@sjx-ixn4.ix.netcom.com> Reply-To: psycho_dude@geocities.com NNTP-Posting-Host: ple-ca14-20.ix.netcom.com Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-NETCOM-Date: Sun Aug 02 5:09:20 PM PDT 1998 X-Mailer: Mozilla 3.04Gold (Win95; I) Path: ccw.ch!pfaff.ethz.ch!news-zh.switch.ch!news-ge.switch.ch!newscore.univie.ac.at!europa.clark.net!192.148.253.68!netnews.com!ix.netcom.com!news Bart Scott wrote: > > We just plain need a FAQ. Couldn't we just send a FAQ when someone > comes in here looking for help? Or grab all the techniques off the web > page and e-mail them to the person? Any volunteers? > > Bart Isn't Wren working on the FAQ and techniques on the page he is working on for the group? I would voulenteer but I don't think that I would be able to write a comprehensive FAQ seeing as I still have more questions than answers :-) -- -Zac I have great faith in fools, self-confidence my friends call it. --Edgar Allen Poe ###### From: silkdick@aol.com (Silk Dick) Newsgroups: alt.out-of-body Subject: Re: Idea or dud? Lines: 13 Message-ID: <1998080115303800.LAA15432@ladder01.news.aol.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: ladder01.news.aol.com X-Admin: news@aol.com Date: 01 Aug 1998 15:30:38 GMT References: <35C298D3.62C0@geocities.com> Organization: AOL http://www.aol.com X-Newsreader: AOL Offline Reader Path: ccw.ch!pfaff.ethz.ch!news-zh.switch.ch!news.belnet.be!news-raspail.gip.net!news-peer.gip.net!news.gsl.net!gip.net!portc01.blue.aol.com!audrey01.news.aol.com!not-for-mail In article <35C298D3.62C0@geocities.com>, Zac writes: >I thought Silk was the official spell checker :-) hehe... well, if I'm not looking, feel free to sub for me :-) Pleasant Dreams |-) Silk Richard.Silk@Juno.Com SilkDick@aol.com Pager #615-923-1696 ###### From: johnf@melbpc.org.au (John Fitzsimons) Newsgroups: alt.out-of-body Subject: Re: Idea or dud? Date: Sun, 02 Aug 1998 22:05:26 GMT Organization: Melbourne PC User Group Inc, Australia Lines: 23 Message-ID: <35c8e185.16352138@news.melbpc.org.au> References: <35C00327.A43A521A@the.end.of.message> <6prb6f$vfe$1@nnrp1.dejanews.com> <35c1c5ed.757177091@nntp.usit.net> <35C20288.67845C8F@the.end.of.message> <6ptouc$fjp$2@news.ncal.verio.com> <6pu8h5$ppi$1@nnrp1.dejanews.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: b2-57.melbpc.org.au Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Newsreader: Forte Agent 1.5/32.451 Path: ccw.ch!pfaff.ethz.ch!news-zh.switch.ch!news-ge.switch.ch!newscore.univie.ac.at!europa.clark.net!208.134.241.18!newsfeed.internetmci.com!139.130.250.2!intgwpad.nntp.telstra.net!qld.nntp.telstra.net!nsw.nntp.telstra.net!news.syd.connect.com.au!news.mel.connect.com.au!news.melbpc.org.au!news2.melbpc.org.au!not-for-mail On Sat, 01 Aug 1998 05:19:33 GMT, chen_49@my-dejanews.com wrote: < snip > >I am assuming here, of course, that the ultimate goal in the OOBE experience >is for spiritual evolution. < snip > For YOU perhaps. Others do it for "fun" or to escape from a distasteful physical world. Others still do it to spy on others and/or to control them. There are numerous NON-spiritual reasons people want to OOB. Regards, John. **************************************************** ,-._|\ John Fitzsimons - Melbourne, Australia. / Oz \ johnf@melbpc.org.au, Fidonet 3:632/309 \_,--.x/ http://www.vicnet.net.au/~johnf/welcome.htm v http://www.alphalink.com.au/~johnf/ ###### From: bartma12@ix.netcom.com(Bart Scott) Newsgroups: alt.out-of-body Subject: Re: Idea or dud? Date: 2 Aug 1998 23:43:37 GMT Organization: ICGNetcom Lines: 7 Message-ID: <6q2tj9$2ep@sjx-ixn4.ix.netcom.com> References: <35C3433B.6EFBDFD0@the.end.of.message> <1998080211301700.HAA13770@ladder03.news.aol.com> <35C4C8F1.7A1F8D83@the.end.of.message> NNTP-Posting-Host: clv-oh40-29.ix.netcom.com X-NETCOM-Date: Sun Aug 02 4:43:37 PM PDT 1998 Path: ccw.ch!pfaff.ethz.ch!news-zh.switch.ch!news-ge.switch.ch!news-fra1.dfn.de!news-was.dfn.de!nntp-out.monmouth.com!newspeer.monmouth.com!ix.netcom.com!news We just plain need a FAQ. Couldn't we just send a FAQ when someone comes in here looking for help? Or grab all the techniques off the web page and e-mail them to the person? Any volunteers? Bart ###### From: "Lars Rune Foleide" Newsgroups: alt.out-of-body References: <35C3433B.6EFBDFD0@the.end.of.message> <1998080211301700.HAA13770@ladder03.news.aol.com> <35C4C8F1.7A1F8D83@the.end.of.message> <6q2tj9$2ep@sjx-ixn4.ix.netcom.com> Subject: Re: Idea or dud? Date: Mon, 3 Aug 1998 02:34:54 +0200 Lines: 40 X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.3105.0 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.3105.0 NNTP-Posting-Host: t7o204p44.telia.com X-NNTP-Posting-Host: t7o204p44.telia.com Message-ID: <35c50545.0@d2o204.telia.com> X-Complaints-To: abuse@telia.no Path: ccw.ch!pfaff.ethz.ch!news-zh.switch.ch!news.belnet.be!news-raspail.gip.net!netnews.globalip.ch!news-lond.gip.net!news.gsl.net!gip.net!nntp.news.xara.net!xara.net!news-feed.inet.tele.dk!bofh.vszbr.cz!masternews.telia.net!newsfeed2.telia.com!d2o204.telia.com!t7o204p44.telia.com Bart Scott wrote in message <6q2tj9$2ep@sjx-ixn4.ix.netcom.com>... > >We just plain need a FAQ. Couldn't we just send a FAQ when someone >comes in here looking for help? Or grab all the techniques off the web >page and e-mail them to the person? Any volunteers? > >Bart > Mine will be finished within a couple of weeks.... (If everything goes as planned....) Man, my site progress is WAY too slow.... Too busy with this time machine and weird science... But I need to make some priorities... If I get this time/space machine working can I easily continue the work on the site, if not, then there is a chance that I might not fully finish it. Hope the army will not mind if I mysteriously disappear a few hours each day... :) Well, I might arrange it so that I will return the second I leave. But still having been gone for several hours. But that again will result in sleep problems... (Staying up too long.) But I might get some sleep before I return.... :) Anyway, the dreaming FAQ will be finished soon.... Cheers, Lars P.S. The OBE FAQ can be found at spiritweb.... ###### Message-ID: <35C4C8F1.7A1F8D83@the.end.of.message> Date: Mon, 03 Aug 1998 06:15:45 +1000 From: Craig Organization: Deja Vous X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.05 [en] (Win95; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 Newsgroups: alt.out-of-body Subject: Re: Idea or dud? References: <35C3433B.6EFBDFD0@the.end.of.message> <1998080211301700.HAA13770@ladder03.news.aol.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit NNTP-Posting-Host: 203.18.28.50 X-Trace: 3 Aug 1998 06:49:58 +1000, 203.18.28.50 Lines: 41 Path: ccw.ch!pfaff.ethz.ch!news-zh.switch.ch!news-ge.switch.ch!enews.sgi.com!su-news-feed4.bbnplanet.com!su-news-hub1.bbnplanet.com!news.bbnplanet.com!news1.best.com!peerfeed.ncal.verio.net!Supernews60!supernews.com!uunet!in1.uu.net!nap-ns1!203.18.28.50 Silk Dick wrote: > > In article <35C3433B.6EFBDFD0@the.end.of.message>, Craig > writes: > > >I know how you feel Silk. But that doesn't mean we should just ignore these > >people, imo. Look, some people want answers fast. Granted, they are lazy. But > >we need not give them anything they don't have to work for. I'm suggesting > >that we give them some links that they can go off and read, then they can > >come back with QUESTIONS or better still, experiences. :-) > > good thought on the end there... if you want to spend time responding to "HELP > ME!" topics, by all means, feel free! :-) But if ALL the "help me!" threads > were SUMMARILY ignored, then the posters *might* find a better way of > approaching the issues at hand... > > Pleasant Dreams |-) > Silk > > Richard.Silk@Juno.Com > SilkDick@aol.com > Pager #615-923-1696 Yeah, there's an idea. Lets just ignore anyone who comes in here with a subject heading of HELP! ;-) But isn't one of the reasons we are here is to help people also, no matter how annoying it may seem? Or at least, shouldn't we contribute, by helping such people on the right path to helping themselves? I just feel that you get what you give sometimes. Oh well, if you don't feel like helping .... you don't feel like helping I guess. You have your reasons. :-) All the best Craig -- The sure way to make a thing impossible- -is to think it so. --- Franklin To respond, delete _nospam_ scrappy@_nospam_netconnect.com.au ###### From: silkdick@aol.com (Silk Dick) Newsgroups: alt.out-of-body Subject: Re: Idea or dud? Lines: 19 Message-ID: <1998080311031000.HAA05771@ladder03.news.aol.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: ladder03.news.aol.com X-Admin: news@aol.com Date: 03 Aug 1998 11:02:53 GMT References: <35C4C8F1.7A1F8D83@the.end.of.message> Organization: AOL http://www.aol.com X-Newsreader: AOL Offline Reader Path: ccw.ch!pfaff.ethz.ch!news-zh.switch.ch!news-ge.switch.ch!newscore.univie.ac.at!europa.clark.net!205.252.116.205!howland.erols.net!portc02.blue.aol.com!audrey03.news.aol.com!not-for-mail In article <35C4C8F1.7A1F8D83@the.end.of.message>, Craig writes: >I just feel that you get what you give sometimes. Oh well, if you don't feel >like helping .... you don't feel like helping I guess. You have your reasons. it's just that I'm not that patient with beginners. Not always... but only because my time is limited these days. Still, by ignoring those CONSTANT "HELP ME!" pleas, the folk would begin to wonder HOW to get into a conversation without begging for it. I just feel it would lend toward more creative writing habits :-) Pleasant Dreams |-) Silk Richard.Silk@Juno.Com SilkDick@aol.com Pager #615-923-1696 ###### From: silkdick@aol.com (Silk Dick) Newsgroups: alt.out-of-body Subject: Re: Idea or dud? Lines: 30 Message-ID: <1998080311031100.HAA05772@ladder03.news.aol.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: ladder03.news.aol.com X-Admin: news@aol.com Date: 03 Aug 1998 11:02:54 GMT References: <6q2tj9$2ep@sjx-ixn4.ix.netcom.com> Organization: AOL http://www.aol.com X-Newsreader: AOL Offline Reader Path: ccw.ch!pfaff.ethz.ch!news-zh.switch.ch!news-ge.switch.ch!newscore.univie.ac.at!news-raspail.gip.net!news-peer.gip.net!news.gsl.net!gip.net!cpk-news-hub1.bbnplanet.com!news.bbnplanet.com!portc02.blue.aol.com!audrey03.news.aol.com!not-for-mail In article <6q2tj9$2ep@sjx-ixn4.ix.netcom.com>, bartma12@ix.netcom.com(Bart Scott) writes: > >We just plain need a FAQ. Couldn't we just send a FAQ when someone >comes in here looking for help? Or grab all the techniques off the web >page and e-mail them to the person? Any volunteers? > > alright. first things first. it has to have a MEMORABLE and solid title, so even if it's only published / posted once per week or once per month, anyone can refer a person to DeJa News in order to find it. Something simple like: "FAQ for alt.out-of-body" at the end of the faq, we can keep an update note, like: "version aoob980803" (in the YYMMDD format). That way, when we update it, we can tell folk to make sure to get the one closest to date aoobYYMMDD. DejaNews can find it in a SNAP with that kind of a search criteria. also, any number of regulars can keep a copy on their web page. sound reasonable so far? Pleasant Dreams |-) Silk Richard.Silk@Juno.Com SilkDick@aol.com Pager #615-923-1696 ###### From: silkdick@aol.com (Silk Dick) Newsgroups: alt.out-of-body Subject: Re: Idea or dud? Lines: 23 Message-ID: <1998080312131400.IAA09016@ladder03.news.aol.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: ladder03.news.aol.com X-Admin: news@aol.com Date: 03 Aug 1998 12:13:13 GMT References: <35c50545.0@d2o204.telia.com> Organization: AOL http://www.aol.com X-Newsreader: AOL Offline Reader Path: ccw.ch!pfaff.ethz.ch!news-zh.switch.ch!news-ge.switch.ch!newsfeed.uk.ibm.net!newsm2.ibm.net!ibm.net!news-peer.gip.net!news.gsl.net!gip.net!portc01.blue.aol.com!audrey03.news.aol.com!not-for-mail In article <35c50545.0@d2o204.telia.com>, "Lars Rune Foleide" writes: >Man, my site progress is WAY too slow.... >Too busy with this time machine and weird science... >But I need to make some priorities... >If I get this time/space machine working can I easily continue the work >on the site, if not, then there is a chance that I might not fully finish it. you know what makes this stuff SO hilarious? knowing that the guy who posted it was actually SERIOUS!! :-) I'm ROTFLMAO! :-) Hey Lars, if you get the chance to go forwards in time, come back and let me know which stock has the HIGHEST gain from now until the year 2000, ok? thanks! :-) Pleasant Dreams |-) Silk Richard.Silk@Juno.Com SilkDick@aol.com Pager #615-923-1696 ###### From: "Lars Rune Foleide" Newsgroups: alt.out-of-body References: <35c50545.0@d2o204.telia.com> <1998080312131400.IAA09016@ladder03.news.aol.com> Subject: Re: Idea or dud? Date: Mon, 3 Aug 1998 14:38:29 +0200 Lines: 18 X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.3105.0 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.3105.0 NNTP-Posting-Host: t4o204p28.telia.com X-NNTP-Posting-Host: t4o204p28.telia.com Message-ID: <35c5aea4.0@d2o204.telia.com> X-Complaints-To: abuse@telia.no Path: ccw.ch!pfaff.ethz.ch!news-zh.switch.ch!news-ge.switch.ch!newscore.univie.ac.at!uninett.no!newsfeed2.telia.com!d2o204.telia.com!t4o204p28.telia.com Silk Dick wrote in message > >Hey Lars, if you get the chance to go forwards in time, come back and let me >know which stock has the HIGHEST gain from now until the year 2000, ok? >thanks! :-) > Now that would be cheating wouldn't it? I guess I may fetch a few data while I'm out there... You better be a nice boy from now on.... :) Lars ###### From: bartma12@ix.netcom.com(Bart Scott) Newsgroups: alt.out-of-body Subject: Re: Idea or dud? Date: 3 Aug 1998 14:50:19 GMT Organization: ICGNetcom Lines: 31 Message-ID: <6q4inb$1op@sjx-ixn4.ix.netcom.com> References: <6q2tj9$2ep@sjx-ixn4.ix.netcom.com> <1998080311031100.HAA05772@ladder03.news.aol.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: clv-oh38-43.ix.netcom.com X-NETCOM-Date: Mon Aug 03 7:50:19 AM PDT 1998 Path: ccw.ch!pfaff.ethz.ch!news-zh.switch.ch!news-ge.switch.ch!newscore.univie.ac.at!europa.clark.net!205.252.116.205!howland.erols.net!ix.netcom.com!news In <1998080311031100.HAA05772@ladder03.news.aol.com> silkdick@aol.com (Silk Dick) writes: > >In article <6q2tj9$2ep@sjx-ixn4.ix.netcom.com>, bartma12@ix.netcom.com(Bart >Scott) writes: > >> >>We just plain need a FAQ. >alright. first things first. it has to have a MEMORABLE and solid >title, so even if it's only published / posted once per week or once >per month, anyone can refer a person to DeJa News in order to find it. >Something simple like: >"FAQ for alt.out-of-body" > >at the end of the faq, we can keep an update note, like: >"version aoob980803" (in the YYMMDD format). That way, when we >update it, we can tell folk to make sure to get the one closest to >date aoobYYMMDD. DejaNews can find it in a SNAP with that kind of a >search criteria. also, any number of regulars can keep a copy on their >web page. > >sound reasonable so far? Yes, but for now, I'm just going to e-mail and post a modified copy of what I sent out last evening. I may also have to add a quote like, "Sorry, but I don't have time to give out personal lessons - nor do I consider myself a qualified instructor." Bart ###### From: "[GhoST]" Newsgroups: alt.out-of-body Subject: Re: Idea or dud? Date: Mon, 03 Aug 1998 18:24:49 -0400 Organization: RCN Internet Lines: 36 Message-ID: <35C638B1.63C291F5@erols.com> References: <35C3433B.6EFBDFD0@the.end.of.message> <1998080211301700.HAA13770@ladder03.news.aol.com> <35C4C8F1.7A1F8D83@the.end.of.message> <6q2tj9$2ep@sjx-ixn4.ix.netcom.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: 207-172-194-220.s29.as3.grn.erols.com Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Trace: winter.news.erols.com 902183034 27448 207.172.194.220 (3 Aug 1998 22:23:54 GMT) X-Complaints-To: abuse@rcn.com X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.04 [en] (Win95; I) Path: ccw.ch!pfaff.ethz.ch!news-zh.switch.ch!news.belnet.be!news-raspail.gip.net!news-peer.gip.net!news.gsl.net!gip.net!howland.erols.net!feed2.news.erols.com!erols!not-for-mail Bart Scott wrote: > > We just plain need a FAQ. Couldn't we just send a FAQ when someone > comes in here looking for help? Or grab all the techniques off the web > page and e-mail them to the person? Any volunteers? > > Bart Hey folx, been a while since i posted, if any of you remember me anyways. BUt onto the nitty Gritty, i have some webspace that is just being wasted away, i'd be happy to put some links and/or a faq for this newsgroup/obe'ing. But, I'm too lazy to do it ally myself, amybe we should have a vote on the best 5 or so obe websites, and have some generous soul compile a Faq, ill do all the HTML'ing and stuff, i just dont want to do all the reasearch on my lonseome. How does that sound to you all? oh, by the way, unfortuantely i am still as of yet an OBE virgin :( -- ********************************************** * _____ __ ____ ______ * * /\ __\ /\ \ /\ _`\ /\__ _\ * * \ \ \___\ \ \___ ___\ \,\L\_\/_/\ \/ * * \ \ \__ \ \ _ `\ / __`\/_\__ \ \ \ \ * * \ \ \/ \ \ \ \ \/\ \L\ \/\ \L\ \ \ \ \ * * \ \____/\ \_\ \_\ \____/\ `\____\ \ \_\ * * \/___/ \/_/\/_/\/___/ \/_____/ \/_/ * * * ********************************************** * GhoST -- pickone@erols.com * * http://www.erols.com/pickone * * Under construction, and as * * always... really shitty * ********************************** ###### From: "[GhoST]" Newsgroups: alt.out-of-body Subject: Re: Idea or dud? Date: Mon, 03 Aug 1998 18:55:42 -0400 Organization: RCN Internet Lines: 46 Message-ID: <35C63FEE.65D12367@erols.com> References: <35C3433B.6EFBDFD0@the.end.of.message> <1998080211301700.HAA13770@ladder03.news.aol.com> <35C4C8F1.7A1F8D83@the.end.of.message> <6q2tj9$2ep@sjx-ixn4.ix.netcom.com> <35C638B1.63C291F5@erols.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: 207-172-194-220.s29.as3.grn.erols.com Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Trace: winter.news.erols.com 902184893 20682 207.172.194.220 (3 Aug 1998 22:54:53 GMT) X-Complaints-To: abuse@rcn.com X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.04 [en] (Win95; I) Path: ccw.ch!pfaff.ethz.ch!news-zh.switch.ch!news.belnet.be!news-raspail.gip.net!news-lond.gip.net!news.gsl.net!gip.net!btnet-peer!btnet!newsfeed.internetmci.com!207.172.3.49!feed2.news.erols.com!erols!not-for-mail [GhoST] wrote: > > Bart Scott wrote: > > > > We just plain need a FAQ. Couldn't we just send a FAQ when someone > > comes in here looking for help? Or grab all the techniques off the web > > page and e-mail them to the person? Any volunteers? > > > > Bart > > Hey folx, been a while since i posted, if any of you remember me > anyways. BUt onto the nitty Gritty, i have some webspace that is just > being wasted away, i'd be happy to put some links and/or a faq for this > newsgroup/obe'ing. But, I'm too lazy to do it ally myself, amybe we > should have a vote on the best 5 or so obe websites, and have some > generous soul compile a Faq, ill do all the HTML'ing and stuff, i just > dont want to do all the reasearch on my lonseome. How does that sound > to you all? > > oh, by the way, unfortuantely i am still as of yet an OBE > virgin :( well lookit this: http://www.spiritweb.org/Spirit/obe-faq.html this seems to be workin out quite easily. Since you are working on one Lars, maybe you should check out this one, to take stuff from it, or to just use it as a base, and add to it. And i think there was a Lucid dreaming FAQ posted here few months ago. ill see if i can dig it up. -- ********************************************** * _____ __ ____ ______ * * /\ __\ /\ \ /\ _`\ /\__ _\ * * \ \ \___\ \ \___ ___\ \,\L\_\/_/\ \/ * * \ \ \__ \ \ _ `\ / __`\/_\__ \ \ \ \ * * \ \ \/ \ \ \ \ \/\ \L\ \/\ \L\ \ \ \ \ * * \ \____/\ \_\ \_\ \____/\ `\____\ \ \_\ * * \/___/ \/_/\/_/\/___/ \/_____/ \/_/ * * * ********************************************** * GhoST -- pickone@erols.com * * http://www.erols.com/pickone * * Under construction, and as * * always... really shitty * ********************************** ###### From: "[GhoST]" Newsgroups: alt.out-of-body Subject: Re: Idea or dud? Date: Mon, 03 Aug 1998 19:04:55 -0400 Organization: RCN Internet Lines: 658 Message-ID: <35C64217.FA6DDF57@erols.com> References: <35C3433B.6EFBDFD0@the.end.of.message> <1998080211301700.HAA13770@ladder03.news.aol.com> <35C4C8F1.7A1F8D83@the.end.of.message> <6q2tj9$2ep@sjx-ixn4.ix.netcom.com> <35C638B1.63C291F5@erols.com> <35C63FEE.65D12367@erols.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: 207-172-194-220.s29.as3.grn.erols.com Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/mixed; boundary="------------93D793E415718C4539D6FE5C" X-Trace: winter.news.erols.com 902185454 20682 207.172.194.220 (3 Aug 1998 23:04:14 GMT) X-Complaints-To: abuse@rcn.com X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.04 [en] (Win95; I) Path: ccw.ch!pfaff.ethz.ch!news-zh.switch.ch!news.belnet.be!newspump.monmouth.com!newspeer.monmouth.com!news-peer.gip.net!news.gsl.net!gip.net!news.idt.net!howland.erols.net!feed2.news.erols.com!erols!not-for-mail This is a multi-part message in MIME format. --------------93D793E415718C4539D6FE5C Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit > well lookit this: > > http://www.spiritweb.org/Spirit/obe-faq.html > > this seems to be workin out quite easily. Since you are working on one > Lars, maybe you should check out this one, to take stuff from it, or to > just use it as a base, and add to it. And i think there was a Lucid > dreaming FAQ posted here few months ago. ill see if i can dig it up. dug it up :P here it is, I guess ill just make the damn page tonight :) -- ********************************************** * _____ __ ____ ______ * * /\ __\ /\ \ /\ _`\ /\__ _\ * * \ \ \___\ \ \___ ___\ \,\L\_\/_/\ \/ * * \ \ \__ \ \ _ `\ / __`\/_\__ \ \ \ \ * * \ \ \/ \ \ \ \ \/\ \L\ \/\ \L\ \ \ \ \ * * \ \____/\ \_\ \_\ \____/\ `\____\ \ \_\ * * \/___/ \/_/\/_/\/___/ \/_____/ \/_/ * * * ********************************************** * GhoST -- pickone@erols.com * * http://www.erols.com/pickone * * Under construction, and as * * always... really shitty * ********************************** --------------93D793E415718C4539D6FE5C Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; name="Lucid Deams.txt" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline; filename="Lucid Deams.txt" -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- LUCID DREAMING FREQUENTLY ASKED QUESTIONS AND ANSWERS -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- [rest snipped as already on my site, in same directory] ###### Path: ccw.ch!usenet From: Neil Franklin Newsgroups: alt.out-of-body Subject: Re: Idea or dud? Date: 03 Aug 1998 21:37:21 +0200 Organization: My own Private Self Lines: 25 Message-ID: References: <6q2tj9$2ep@sjx-ixn4.ix.netcom.com> <1998080311031100.HAA05772@ladder03.news.aol.com> X-Newsreader: Gnus v5.3/Emacs 19.34 silkdick@aol.com (Silk Dick) writes: > "FAQ for alt.out-of-body" Or following the establisched convention: "alt.out-of-body FAQ" > at the end of the faq, we can keep an update note, like: > "version aoob980803" (in the YYMMDD format). YYYYMMDD please, we don't want yet annother file with an Year 2000 Problem. > also, any number of regulars can keep a copy on their web page. And those that can, could put an X-Faq: Line into their Message Headers. Also there exists an FTP server somwhere *.mit.edu which collects FAQs, send a copy to them. -- home: Neil.Franklin@ccw.ch.remove http://www.ccw.ch/Neil.Franklin/ work: franklin@arch.ethz.ch.remove http://caad.arch.ethz.ch/~franklin/ *** It's true ! I read it on Usenet and the Web ! *** ###### From: "Lars Rune Foleide" Newsgroups: alt.out-of-body References: <35C3433B.6EFBDFD0@the.end.of.message> <1998080211301700.HAA13770@ladder03.news.aol.com> <35C4C8F1.7A1F8D83@the.end.of.message> <6q2tj9$2ep@sjx-ixn4.ix.netcom.com> <35C611AC.8E9701FF@the.end.of.message> Subject: Re: Idea or dud? Date: Tue, 4 Aug 1998 00:47:50 +0200 Lines: 31 X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.3105.0 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.3105.0 NNTP-Posting-Host: t8o204p56.telia.com X-NNTP-Posting-Host: t8o204p56.telia.com Message-ID: <35c63d7f.0@d2o204.telia.com> X-Complaints-To: abuse@telia.no Path: ccw.ch!pfaff.ethz.ch!news-zh.switch.ch!news.belnet.be!news-raspail.gip.net!news-lond.gip.net!news.gsl.net!gip.net!btnet-peer!btnet!news-feed1.eu.concert.net!uninett.no!newsfeed2.telia.com!d2o204.telia.com!t8o204p56.telia.com Craig wrote in message > >Now we're talkin' :-) That's the sort of thing I was thinking of. But >maybe not email it to them. Maybe post it to them here. That way, we >need not embarrass anyone if they don't want family or friends to know >what they are doing yet, plus, any lurkers can then jump into the links >as well. :-) The FAQ is a great idea too Bart. :-) I know who I'd like >to volunteer for the job, someone that's been here for a long time. >Someone who is very helpful with what they post to people. ;-) I'd love >to do it, but I really think it needs to be someone from the US. The >messages get posted more quickly that way. My news server is very slow >to post my messages and to download the new posts. :-( This wouldn't be >hard to do, whoever does it just needs to have a text file that they can >cut and paste to a mail message to send to the thread. Just figuring out >what to put in the FAQ. What links to put up etc. Maybe we should start >a new thread to ask for peoples opinions. :-) And for a volunteer. :-) > Calm down, I'll have one created soon.... And I was thinking about posting it say about once a week.... May also manage to make that an automatic process.... (I hope..) But I have a lucid dreaming FAQ I need to create first... Cheers, Lars ###### From: bartma12@ix.netcom.com(Bart Scott) Newsgroups: alt.out-of-body Subject: Re: Idea or dud? Date: 4 Aug 1998 02:41:42 GMT Organization: ICGNetcom Lines: 74 Message-ID: <6q5sd6$pf@sjx-ixn6.ix.netcom.com> References: <35C3433B.6EFBDFD0@the.end.of.message> <1998080211301700.HAA13770@ladder03.news.aol.com> <35C4C8F1.7A1F8D83@the.end.of.message> <6q2tj9$2ep@sjx-ixn4.ix.netcom.com> <35C638B1.63C291F5@erols.com> <35C63FEE.65D12367@erols.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: clv-oh41-55.ix.netcom.com X-NETCOM-Date: Mon Aug 03 7:41:42 PM PDT 1998 Path: ccw.ch!pfaff.ethz.ch!news-zh.switch.ch!news.belnet.be!news-raspail.gip.net!news-dc.gip.net!news-peer.gip.net!news.gsl.net!gip.net!news-peer.sprintlink.net!news.sprintlink.net!netnews.com!news.idt.net!ix.netcom.com!news In <35C63FEE.65D12367@erols.com> "[GhoST]" writes: >well lookit this: > >http://www.spiritweb.org/Spirit/obe-faq.html > >this seems to be workin out quite easily. >i think there was a Lucid >dreaming FAQ posted here few months ago. ill see if i can dig it up. I saw that you dug it up. I've read it before and it kind of reads very much like an ad to sell stuff even though there is also some good information. I'm sure Lars has read it as well. Here is what I'm proposing for the time being, just to reduce the frustration of people on both sides of the fence and to make it short and sweet - to immediately answer those who come in here out of 'desperation'... The most annoying part of these 'desperate' posts is that they come in here requesting that we personally e-mail them because they don't want to wade through the rest of the stuff and they want personal instruction - at least, that's the type of post that most pisses me off and gets me in a super bad mood that I begin to lash out at others who don't deserve it. So, we just e-mail AND post the following to satisfy both the beggers and the lurkers. If the 'help me' post specifically requests (as some do) that we keep the post in the NG - then that request should be respected. Otherwise, both e-mail and posting should be done. It's short enough not to take up as much space as a full blown FAQ would, and the two links, for now, are the best that I know of - providing links to other superb sites. I'm not sure about automatically posting a large file here once a week, but, then, I don't really own this group... Here's what I suggest for now - in a pinch. It could use some touching up. But I just wanted to get it out quickly: Hi, On behalf of the alt.out-of-body newsgroup, I am e-mailing this to you as well as posting it in the alt.out-of-body newsgroup to which you posted your request. Sorry to be so non-personal, but we get so very many requests of this nature that most of us have gotten burned-out by repeating ourselves. There are such a wide variety of techniques that if we all responded to every post of your type this newsgroup couldn't get anything else done. Please go to: http://www.spiritweb.org/Spirit/obe.html Research this excellent web page and come on back here to join the group with a little more understanding of the basics. We don't mind answering questions - it's just that your particular question involves a lengthy response and is better answered by a web site with many many links which have many many viewpoints on the subject which we cannot reasonably cover in this newsgroup. So dip your feet into a few static web sites and then come back here to share your experiences and wade with us in the flow. You will learn a lot - just as each of us have learned by doing the same thing. There are also some good techniques successfully used by the people of this newsgroup located at: http://members.tripod.com/~Frodpod/obemain Bart ###### Message-ID: <35C611AC.8E9701FF@the.end.of.message> Date: Tue, 04 Aug 1998 05:38:20 +1000 From: Craig Organization: Deja Vous X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.05 [en] (Win95; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 Newsgroups: alt.out-of-body Subject: Re: Idea or dud? References: <35C3433B.6EFBDFD0@the.end.of.message> <1998080211301700.HAA13770@ladder03.news.aol.com> <35C4C8F1.7A1F8D83@the.end.of.message> <6q2tj9$2ep@sjx-ixn4.ix.netcom.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit NNTP-Posting-Host: 203.18.28.55 X-Trace: 4 Aug 1998 07:00:18 +1000, 203.18.28.55 Lines: 33 Path: ccw.ch!pfaff.ethz.ch!news-zh.switch.ch!news.belnet.be!news-raspail.gip.net!news-peer.gip.net!news.gsl.net!gip.net!news-peer.sprintlink.net!news-peer-west.sprintlink.net!news.sprintlink.net!newsfeed.corridex.com!ameritech.ais.net!jamie!ais.net!ameritech.net!uunet!in1.uu.net!nap-ns1!203.18.28.55 Bart Scott wrote: > > We just plain need a FAQ. Couldn't we just send a FAQ when someone > comes in here looking for help? Or grab all the techniques off the web > page and e-mail them to the person? Any volunteers? > > Bart Now we're talkin' :-) That's the sort of thing I was thinking of. But maybe not email it to them. Maybe post it to them here. That way, we need not embarrass anyone if they don't want family or friends to know what they are doing yet, plus, any lurkers can then jump into the links as well. :-) The FAQ is a great idea too Bart. :-) I know who I'd like to volunteer for the job, someone that's been here for a long time. Someone who is very helpful with what they post to people. ;-) I'd love to do it, but I really think it needs to be someone from the US. The messages get posted more quickly that way. My news server is very slow to post my messages and to download the new posts. :-( This wouldn't be hard to do, whoever does it just needs to have a text file that they can cut and paste to a mail message to send to the thread. Just figuring out what to put in the FAQ. What links to put up etc. Maybe we should start a new thread to ask for peoples opinions. :-) And for a volunteer. :-) All the best Craig -- The sure way to make a thing impossible- -is to think it so. --- Franklin To respond, delete _nospam_ scrappy@_nospam_netconnect.com.au ###### Message-ID: <35C61261.5941FD9A@the.end.of.message> Date: Tue, 04 Aug 1998 05:41:21 +1000 From: Craig Organization: Deja Vous X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.05 [en] (Win95; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 Newsgroups: alt.out-of-body Subject: Re: Idea or dud? References: <35C4C8F1.7A1F8D83@the.end.of.message> <1998080311031000.HAA05771@ladder03.news.aol.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit NNTP-Posting-Host: 203.18.28.55 X-Trace: 4 Aug 1998 07:00:21 +1000, 203.18.28.55 Lines: 33 Path: ccw.ch!pfaff.ethz.ch!news-zh.switch.ch!news-ge.switch.ch!newscore.univie.ac.at!europa.clark.net!208.134.241.18!newsfeed.internetmci.com!192.26.210.166!sunqbc.risq.qc.ca!wesley.videotron.net!Pollux.Teleglobe.net!uunet!in1.uu.net!nap-ns1!203.18.28.55 Silk Dick wrote: > > In article <35C4C8F1.7A1F8D83@the.end.of.message>, Craig > writes: > > >I just feel that you get what you give sometimes. Oh well, if you don't feel > >like helping .... you don't feel like helping I guess. You have your reasons. > > it's just that I'm not that patient with beginners. Not always... but only > because my time is limited these days. > > Still, by ignoring those CONSTANT "HELP ME!" pleas, the folk would begin to > wonder HOW to get into a conversation without begging for it. I just feel it > would lend toward more creative writing habits :-) > > Pleasant Dreams |-) > Silk > > Richard.Silk@Juno.Com > SilkDick@aol.com > Pager #615-923-1696 That's fair enough Silk. :-) Craig -- The sure way to make a thing impossible- -is to think it so. --- Franklin To respond, delete _nospam_ scrappy@_nospam_netconnect.com.au ###### Message-ID: <35C72EE2.1D7E0D9C@pop.slkc.uswest.net> Date: Tue, 04 Aug 1998 08:55:14 -0700 From: Beth Reply-To: oberoberts@uswest.net X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.04 [en] (Win95; U) MIME-Version: 1.0 Newsgroups: alt.out-of-body Subject: Re: Idea or dud? References: <35C00327.A43A521A@the.end.of.message> <35C6DAC0.B9083FC@the.end.of.message> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit NNTP-Posting-Host: mdialup207.slkc.uswest.net X-Trace: 4 Aug 1998 10:27:11 +0500, mdialup207.slkc.uswest.net Lines: 59 X-Report: Report abuse to abuse@uswest.net. Path: ccw.ch!pfaff.ethz.ch!news-zh.switch.ch!news-ge.switch.ch!enews.sgi.com!su-news-feed4.bbnplanet.com!news.bbnplanet.com!newsfeed1.uswest.net!news1.uswest.net!mdialup207.slkc.uswest.net Craig wrote: > This is sort of what I had in mind in the beginning. :-) > > --------------------------------------------------------- > > Hi *******, > > I would like to take this opportunity to welcome you, on behalf of > everyone, to alt.out-of-body. > How about (we) instead of (I) not everyone has to sign it of course but maybe a few of the old-timers would be nice. > Here are some links to sites that you may wish to look over before > posting any questions or thoughts to the group. > OR - - - - Our group has compiled a list of some links to helpful sites that . . . . . > html............ (Description) > html............ ( " " ) > html............ ( " " ) > > And some links related to this newsgroup. > > html............ (Wrens site index) > html............ (Frodpod's travellers) OR - - - - In addition, the group is proud to share a few links related to this newsgroup . . . > > > We also have a FAQ you can find that at: > html............ > > -------------------------------------------------------- OR - - - You may find many of your questions answered by visiting the NG's FAQ which can be found at: > Please, please, feel free to make modifications to this, or just reply > with your own ideas and comments. I think this is such a good idea, we > really should work on it and establish it as the official a.o-o-b > welcome. :-) The few minor changes I have suggested could be incorporated in what you have already done. Looks like a really great idea. Beth ###### From: "Lars Rune Foleide" Newsgroups: alt.out-of-body References: <35C3433B.6EFBDFD0@the.end.of.message> <1998080211301700.HAA13770@ladder03.news.aol.com> <35C4C8F1.7A1F8D83@the.end.of.message> <6q2tj9$2ep@sjx-ixn4.ix.netcom.com> <35C638B1.63C291F5@erols.com> <35C63FEE.65D12367@erols.com> Subject: Re: Idea or dud? Date: Tue, 4 Aug 1998 13:18:28 +0200 Lines: 24 X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.3105.0 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.3105.0 NNTP-Posting-Host: t6o204p40.telia.com X-NNTP-Posting-Host: t6o204p40.telia.com Message-ID: <35c6ed61.0@d2o204.telia.com> X-Complaints-To: abuse@telia.no Path: ccw.ch!pfaff.ethz.ch!news-zh.switch.ch!news-ge.switch.ch!feed1.news.luth.se!luth.se!masternews.telia.net!newsfeed2.telia.com!d2o204.telia.com!t6o204p40.telia.com [GhoST] wrote in message <35C63FEE.65D12367@erols.com>... > >well lookit this: > >http://www.spiritweb.org/Spirit/obe-faq.html > >this seems to be workin out quite easily. Since you are working on one >Lars, maybe you should check out this one, to take stuff from it, or to >just use it as a base, and add to it. And I think there was a Lucid >dreaming FAQ posted here few months ago. ill see if I can dig it up. I usually pick up a few FAQ's on the subject to find out what really is the frequently asked questions...:) And for a couple of answers... I know about the FAQ at spiritweb... I will come handy... But let me know if you find the LD FAQ, I have maybe not seen it.... Lars ###### From: "Lars Rune Foleide" Newsgroups: alt.out-of-body References: <35C3433B.6EFBDFD0@the.end.of.message> <1998080211301700.HAA13770@ladder03.news.aol.com> <35C4C8F1.7A1F8D83@the.end.of.message> <6q2tj9$2ep@sjx-ixn4.ix.netcom.com> <35C638B1.63C291F5@erols.com> <35C63FEE.65D12367@erols.com> <35C64217.FA6DDF57@erols.com> Subject: Re: Idea or dud? Date: Tue, 4 Aug 1998 13:19:53 +0200 Lines: 16 X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.3105.0 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.3105.0 NNTP-Posting-Host: t6o204p40.telia.com X-NNTP-Posting-Host: t6o204p40.telia.com Message-ID: <35c6edb6.0@d2o204.telia.com> X-Complaints-To: abuse@telia.no Path: ccw.ch!pfaff.ethz.ch!news-zh.switch.ch!news-ge.switch.ch!news.maxwell.syr.edu!newsfeed1.swip.net!swipnet!masternews.telia.net!newsfeed2.telia.com!d2o204.telia.com!t6o204p40.telia.com [GhoST] wrote in message <35C64217.FA6DDF57@erols.com>... > >dug it up :P >here it is, I guess ill just make the damn page tonight :) > Here? Where? Damn, I need new glasses.... Lars ###### Message-ID: <35C6DAC0.B9083FC@the.end.of.message> Date: Tue, 04 Aug 1998 19:56:16 +1000 From: Craig Organization: Deja Vous X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.05 [en] (Win95; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 Newsgroups: alt.out-of-body Subject: Re: Idea or dud? References: <35C00327.A43A521A@the.end.of.message> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit NNTP-Posting-Host: 203.18.28.43 X-Trace: 4 Aug 1998 19:59:21 +1000, 203.18.28.43 Lines: 50 Path: ccw.ch!pfaff.ethz.ch!news-zh.switch.ch!news-ge.switch.ch!news-fra1.dfn.de!news-was.dfn.de!nntp-out.monmouth.com!newspeer.monmouth.com!newsfeed.internetmci.com!209.244.253.199!newsfeed.xcom.net!uunet!uunet!in1.uu.net!nap-ns1!203.18.28.43 This is sort of what I had in mind in the beginning. :-) --------------------------------------------------------- Hi *******, I would like to take this opportunity to welcome you, on behalf of everyone, to alt.out-of-body. Here are some links to sites that you may wish to look over before posting any questions or thoughts to the group. html............ (Description) html............ ( " " ) html............ ( " " ) And some links related to this newsgroup. html............ (Wrens site index) html............ (Frodpod's travellers) We also have a FAQ you can find that at: html............ -------------------------------------------------------- Anyway, that's sort of what I had originally thought of. That is a very 'raw' example, but I think it just needs to be something fairly simple, and short. Something we can post to the NG so that other people (newbies, lurkers or just the regulars who have forgotten HTML's) have the opportunity to follow the links as well. It need's to be a bit more descriptive , friendly etc. but I think you see the idea. Now all we need is to agree on a FAQ and to see who want's to do the posting of the message. :-) Please, please, feel free to make modifications to this, or just reply with your own ideas and comments. I think this is such a good idea, we really should work on it and establish it as the official a.o-o-b welcome. :-) All the best Craig -- The sure way to make a thing impossible- -is to think it so. --- Franklin To respond, delete _nospam_ scrappy@_nospam_netconnect.com.au ###### From: bartma12@ix.netcom.com(Bart Scott) Newsgroups: alt.out-of-body Subject: Re: Idea or dud? Date: 5 Aug 1998 00:34:05 GMT Organization: ICGNetcom Lines: 20 Message-ID: <6q899t$njo@dfw-ixnews10.ix.netcom.com> References: <35C3433B.6EFBDFD0@the.end.of.message> <1998080211301700.HAA13770@ladder03.news.aol.com> <35C4C8F1.7A1F8D83@the.end.of.message> <6q2tj9$2ep@sjx-ixn4.ix.netcom.com> <35C638B1.63C291F5@erols.com> <35C63FEE.65D12367@erols.com> <6q5sd6$pf@sjx-ixn6.ix.netcom.com> <35C764A1.2DD7C9E@the.end.of.message> NNTP-Posting-Host: clv-oh41-40.ix.netcom.com X-NETCOM-Date: Tue Aug 04 7:34:05 PM CDT 1998 Path: ccw.ch!pfaff.ethz.ch!news-zh.switch.ch!news.belnet.be!news-raspail.gip.net!news-peer.gip.net!news.gsl.net!gip.net!howland.erols.net!ix.netcom.com!news In <35C764A1.2DD7C9E@the.end.of.message> Craig writes: > >Oh Bart, that was very very well done. :-) :-) Now, who can you think >of to do the deed. ;-) > >All the best >Craig I guess that would be me... since I seem to be the most annoyed and probably have the most negative Karma for flaming 'desperate' requests for help. ;-) Not that I'm volunteering, but if ya'll insist that I make good for the bad I've done in the past - then I guess I should do it when possible. Damn... I wish I had skipped this post, Craig... Bart ###### Message-ID: <35C764A1.2DD7C9E@the.end.of.message> Date: Wed, 05 Aug 1998 05:44:33 +1000 From: Craig Organization: Deja Vous X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.05 [en] (Win95; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 Newsgroups: alt.out-of-body Subject: Re: Idea or dud? References: <35C3433B.6EFBDFD0@the.end.of.message> <1998080211301700.HAA13770@ladder03.news.aol.com> <35C4C8F1.7A1F8D83@the.end.of.message> <6q2tj9$2ep@sjx-ixn4.ix.netcom.com> <35C638B1.63C291F5@erols.com> <35C63FEE.65D12367@erols.com> <6q5sd6$pf@sjx-ixn6.ix.netcom.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit NNTP-Posting-Host: 203.18.28.48 X-Trace: 5 Aug 1998 05:52:19 +1000, 203.18.28.48 Lines: 13 Path: ccw.ch!pfaff.ethz.ch!news-zh.switch.ch!news-ge.switch.ch!news.maxwell.syr.edu!newsfeed.wli.net!uunet!uunet!in1.uu.net!nap-ns1!203.18.28.48 Oh Bart, that was very very well done. :-) :-) Now, who can you think of to do the deed. ;-) All the best Craig -- The sure way to make a thing impossible- -is to think it so. --- Franklin To respond, delete _nospam_ scrappy@_nospam_netconnect.com.au ###### From: "[GhoST]" Newsgroups: alt.out-of-body Subject: Re: Idea or dud? Date: Wed, 05 Aug 1998 13:13:36 -0400 Organization: RCN Internet Lines: 34 Message-ID: <35C892C0.AD1E3E81@erols.com> References: <35C3433B.6EFBDFD0@the.end.of.message> <1998080211301700.HAA13770@ladder03.news.aol.com> <35C4C8F1.7A1F8D83@the.end.of.message> <6q2tj9$2ep@sjx-ixn4.ix.netcom.com> <35C638B1.63C291F5@erols.com> <35C63FEE.65D12367@erols.com> <35C64217.FA6DDF57@erols.com> <35c6edb6.0@d2o204.telia.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: 207-172-194-172.s45.as2.grn.erols.com Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Trace: winter.news.erols.com 902337148 733 207.172.194.172 (5 Aug 1998 17:12:28 GMT) X-Complaints-To: abuse@rcn.com X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.04 [en] (Win95; I) Path: ccw.ch!pfaff.ethz.ch!news-zh.switch.ch!news.belnet.be!news-raspail.gip.net!news-peer.gip.net!news.gsl.net!gip.net!howland.erols.net!feed2.news.erols.com!erols!not-for-mail Lars Rune Foleide wrote: > > [GhoST] wrote in message <35C64217.FA6DDF57@erols.com>... > > > >dug it up :P > >here it is, I guess ill just make the damn page tonight :) > > > > Here? > Where? > > Damn, I need new glasses.... > > Lars it is attached to the bottom of my previous post, you can find it on Dejanews with the search feature quickly, just search fro Lucid Dreaming Faq -- ********************************************** * _____ __ ____ ______ * * /\ __\ /\ \ /\ _`\ /\__ _\ * * \ \ \___\ \ \___ ___\ \,\L\_\/_/\ \/ * * \ \ \__ \ \ _ `\ / __`\/_\__ \ \ \ \ * * \ \ \/ \ \ \ \ \/\ \L\ \/\ \L\ \ \ \ \ * * \ \____/\ \_\ \_\ \____/\ `\____\ \ \_\ * * \/___/ \/_/\/_/\/___/ \/_____/ \/_/ * * * ********************************************** * GhoST -- pickone@erols.com * * http://www.erols.com/pickone * * Under construction, and as * * always... really shitty * ********************************** ###### From: bartma12@ix.netcom.com(Bart Scott) Newsgroups: alt.out-of-body Subject: Re: Idea or dud? Date: 6 Aug 1998 00:41:19 GMT Organization: ICGNetcom Lines: 38 Message-ID: <6qau3f$jnf@dfw-ixnews10.ix.netcom.com> References: <35C3433B.6EFBDFD0@the.end.of.message> <1998080211301700.HAA13770@ladder03.news.aol.com> <35C4C8F1.7A1F8D83@the.end.of.message> <6q2tj9$2ep@sjx-ixn4.ix.netcom.com> <35C638B1.63C291F5@erols.com> <35C63FEE.65D12367@erols.com> <6q5sd6$pf@sjx-ixn6.ix.netcom.com> <35C764A1.2DD7C9E@the.end.of.message> <6q899t$njo@dfw-ixnews10.ix.netcom.com> <35C8BF09.2F7CD8DD@the.end.of.message> NNTP-Posting-Host: clv-oh42-61.ix.netcom.com X-NETCOM-Date: Wed Aug 05 7:41:19 PM CDT 1998 Path: ccw.ch!pfaff.ethz.ch!news-zh.switch.ch!news.belnet.be!news-raspail.gip.net!news-peer.gip.net!news.gsl.net!gip.net!news.idt.net!news2.ais.net!jamie!ais.net!ix.netcom.com!news In <35C8BF09.2F7CD8DD@the.end.of.message> Craig writes: > >Bart Scott wrote: > >> Not that I'm volunteering, but if ya'll insist that I make good for >>the bad I've done in the past - then I guess I should do it when >>possible. Now that's the second thing I've volunteered for today... >I think you would be the first choice for many people here >to be the one that posts the welcome letter to the newbies and the >lurkers. >> Damn... I wish I had skipped this post, Craig... > >Oh, I'm glad you responded the way you did. :-D > >All the best >Craig By the way, Craig, I've been meaning to tell you this - I doubt your newsreader does this to the posts you read, but mine does. I use NetCruiser from Netcom and when it gathers the unread articles, it lists them one by one along with the author's address. The long addresses, like yours, get truncated. I thought that this post would be a good time to tell you that, when I run across one of your posts, this is what I see: look@the.end.of.mess Now look at the fine mess you've gotten me into, Craig. ;-) Bart ###### Message-ID: <35C8BF09.2F7CD8DD@the.end.of.message> Date: Thu, 06 Aug 1998 06:22:33 +1000 From: Craig Organization: Deja Vous X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.05 [en] (Win95; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 Newsgroups: alt.out-of-body Subject: Re: Idea or dud? References: <35C3433B.6EFBDFD0@the.end.of.message> <1998080211301700.HAA13770@ladder03.news.aol.com> <35C4C8F1.7A1F8D83@the.end.of.message> <6q2tj9$2ep@sjx-ixn4.ix.netcom.com> <35C638B1.63C291F5@erols.com> <35C63FEE.65D12367@erols.com> <6q5sd6$pf@sjx-ixn6.ix.netcom.com> <35C764A1.2DD7C9E@the.end.of.message> <6q899t$njo@dfw-ixnews10.ix.netcom.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit NNTP-Posting-Host: 203.18.28.46 X-Trace: 6 Aug 1998 08:47:03 +1000, 203.18.28.46 Lines: 41 Path: ccw.ch!pfaff.ethz.ch!news-zh.switch.ch!news.belnet.be!newspump.monmouth.com!newspeer.monmouth.com!uunet!in1.uu.net!nap-ns1!203.18.28.46 Bart Scott wrote: > I guess that would be me... since I seem to be the most annoyed and > probably have the most negative Karma for flaming 'desperate' requests > for help. ;-) Oh, did I make it that obvious did I? ;-) > Not that I'm volunteering, but if ya'll insist that I make good for the > bad I've done in the past - then I guess I should do it when possible. Well, I wasn't even thinking about making good for anything you've done in the past. :-) I was thinking ... well, I've been reading this NG for the past year. In that time I've posted a 'fair' bit. Just recently I've been really posting a lot. It just seems to me you that you would be *my* first choice as *spokesperson* or the person to welcome newcomers to the group. :-) I'm not sucking up here. Promise. That's just the way I feel. You have a lot of input in this group Bart, and I think alot of people here respect what you have to say, whether they agree with what you say or not. And I think you would be the first choice for many people here to be the one that posts the welcome letter to the newbies and the lurkers. Sorry for pointing the finger, I s'pose it was my idea, I just don't have the respect that you do in the group. :-) > Damn... I wish I had skipped this post, Craig... Oh, I'm glad you responded the way you did. :-D All the best Craig -- The sure way to make a thing impossible- -is to think it so. --- Franklin To respond, delete _nospam_ scrappy@_nospam_netconnect.com.au ###### From: chen_49@hotmail.com Newsgroups: alt.out-of-body Subject: Re: Idea or dud? Date: Sun, 09 Aug 1998 03:10:01 GMT Organization: Deja News - The Leader in Internet Discussion Lines: 34 Message-ID: <6qj3u9$tc9$1@nnrp1.dejanews.com> References: <35C00327.A43A521A@the.end.of.message> <6prb6f$vfe$1@nnrp1.dejanews.com> <35c1c5ed.757177091@nntp.usit.net> <35C20288.67845C8F@the.end.of.message> <6ptouc$fjp$2@news.ncal.verio.com> <6pu8h5$ppi$1@nnrp1.dejanews.com> <35c8e185.16352138@news.melbpc.org.au> NNTP-Posting-Host: 204.244.158.115 X-Article-Creation-Date: Sun Aug 09 03:10:01 1998 GMT X-Http-User-Agent: Mozilla/3.0C-CIBCPrRtIP (Win16; U) Path: ccw.ch!pfaff.ethz.ch!news-zh.switch.ch!news-ge.switch.ch!news.maxwell.syr.edu!nntp2.dejanews.com!nnrp1.dejanews.com!not-for-mail In article <35c8e185.16352138@news.melbpc.org.au>, johnf@melbpc.org.au (John Fitzsimons) wrote: > On Sat, 01 Aug 1998 05:19:33 GMT, chen_49@my-dejanews.com wrote: > > < snip > > > >I am assuming here, of course, that the ultimate goal in the OOBE experience > >is for spiritual evolution. > > < snip > > > For YOU perhaps. Others do it for "fun" or to escape from a > distasteful physical world. Others still do it to spy on others and/or > to control them. There are numerous NON-spiritual reasons people want > to OOB. ---->>> Thanks for the insight John. But I was under the impression that, for one, you needed someone's consent first if you wanted to visit them out of body. Secondly, I thought we all had "guides" who would not allow us to do anything unethical while out of body. Thirdly, it's people still in their physical bodies you really have to look out for. What harm could someone in an astral body do to someone still in the physical? With astral hands passing right through physical matter, they would be about as effective as a "fart in an Australian windstorm". Cheers. Regards from Vancouver, British Columbia Mark ************************************************* "The truth is out there..." -----== Posted via Deja News, The Leader in Internet Discussion ==----- http://www.dejanews.com/rg_mkgrp.xp Create Your Own Free Member Forum