From: marxworld@webtv.net (marx shadow) Newsgroups: alt.out-of-body Subject: Re: Vibrations(Craig) Date: Wed, 29 Jul 1998 09:44:12 -0400 (EDT) Organization: WebTV Subscriber Lines: 27 Message-ID: <25168-35BF272C-5@newsd-102.iap.bryant.webtv.net> References: <35BEBD04.1860AE33@the.end.of.message> NNTP-Posting-Host: localhost.webtv.net Mime-Version: 1.0 (WebTV) Content-Type: Multipart/Mixed; Boundary=WebTV-Mail-838553787-895 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7Bit X-WebTV-Signature: 1 ETAuAhUAp6vNgxLXYokqF9xDDGBFyMgaB/8CFQCDaoeANrFfr+BZKatpdFBRjlHveA== X-WebTV-Stationery: Standard; Background="http://members.tripod.com/~webtv25/pswrl.gif"; TextColor=white Path: ccw.ch!pfaff.ethz.ch!news-zh.switch.ch!news.belnet.be!newsgate.cistron.nl!het.net!newsfeed.uk.ibm.net!ibm.net!europa.clark.net!205.231.82.12!newsrouter.icnc.com!priori!newsfeed.concentric.net!webtv.net!not-for-mail --WebTV-Mail-838553787-895 Content-Type: Text/Plain; Charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7Bit Aw come on I worked hard on this sig! Are they really annoying? I'll turn them off if your really bothered... --WebTV-Mail-838553787-895 Content-Description: signature Content-Disposition: Inline Content-Type: Text/HTML; Charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7Bit

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--WebTV-Mail-838553787-895-- ###### From: kgran@usa.net Newsgroups: alt.out-of-body Subject: Re: Vibrations(Craig) Date: Wed, 29 Jul 1998 18:14:52 GMT Organization: Deja News - The Leader in Internet Discussion Lines: 43 Message-ID: <6pnoqs$72t$1@nnrp1.dejanews.com> References: <35BEBD04.1860AE33@the.end.of.message> <25168-35BF272C-5@newsd-102.iap.bryant.webtv.net> NNTP-Posting-Host: 32.97.110.73 X-Article-Creation-Date: Wed Jul 29 18:14:52 1998 GMT X-Http-User-Agent: Mozilla/2.02 (OS/2; U) Path: ccw.ch!pfaff.ethz.ch!news-zh.switch.ch!news.belnet.be!news-raspail.gip.net!news-dc.gip.net!news-peer.gip.net!news.gsl.net!gip.net!news-peer.sprintlink.net!news-peer-west.sprintlink.net!news.sprintlink.net!newsfeed.wli.net!nntp2.dejanews.com!nnrp1.dejanews.com!not-for-mail In article <25168-35BF272C-5@newsd-102.iap.bryant.webtv.net>, marxworld@webtv.net (marx shadow) wrote: > > --WebTV-Mail-838553787-895 > Content-Type: Text/Plain; Charset=US-ASCII > Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7Bit > > Aw come on I worked hard on this sig! Are they really annoying? I'll > turn them off if your really bothered... > > --WebTV-Mail-838553787-895 > Content-Description: signature > Content-Disposition: Inline > Content-Type: Text/HTML; Charset=US-ASCII > Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7Bit > > text="white"> background="http://members.tripod.com/~webtv25/pswrl.gif" > text="white"> href="http://members.tripod.com/~marxshadow/index.html"> src="http://members.tripod.com/webtv10/clickme.gif"> src="http://members.tripod.com/~webtv12/heaven.mid"> src="http://members.tripod.com/webtv8/spark.gif">Marx Shadow

color="white"> > > --WebTV-Mail-838553787-895-- > Hi Marx! I have both WebTv and a computer and your sig. is great if you have WebTv. For most who don't have WebTv, all they see is the coding (no pictures, sound, etc.). If you don't want to turn off your sig. to use a newsgroup, you might want to open an account with DejaNews and reply that way. Also if you go through DejaNews, you can incorporate the original post in your response along with your reply (it helps those who might not have caught the original thread). (just a thought) ;-) Oh, by the way.. welcome!! KG -----== Posted via Deja News, The Leader in Internet Discussion ==----- http://www.dejanews.com/rg_mkgrp.xp Create Your Own Free Member Forum ###### From: marxworld@webtv.net (marx shadow) Newsgroups: alt.out-of-body Subject: Re: Vibrations(Craig) Date: Wed, 29 Jul 1998 21:49:37 -0400 (EDT) Organization: WebTV Subscriber Lines: 28 Message-ID: <25168-35BFD131-62@newsd-102.iap.bryant.webtv.net> References: NNTP-Posting-Host: localhost.webtv.net Mime-Version: 1.0 (WebTV) Content-Type: Multipart/Mixed; Boundary=WebTV-Mail-793548856-6655 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7Bit X-WebTV-Signature: 1 ETAtAhQyqyE30N3vQ6KZu32vyPc6rtKMWgIVALT3UAQPHugOsbphGGnCnTY+lJFG X-WebTV-Stationery: Standard; Background="http://members.tripod.com/~webtv25/pswrl.gif"; TextColor=white Path: ccw.ch!pfaff.ethz.ch!news-zh.switch.ch!news.belnet.be!news-raspail.gip.net!news-peer.gip.net!news.gsl.net!gip.net!logbridge.uoregon.edu!priori!newsfeed.concentric.net!webtv.net!not-for-mail --WebTV-Mail-793548856-6655 Content-Type: Text/Plain; Charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7Bit I'll tell you what you use your webtv to respond to my posts...LMAO... : )~ Kidding friend..... --WebTV-Mail-793548856-6655 Content-Description: signature Content-Disposition: Inline Content-Type: Text/HTML; Charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7Bit Marx Shadow

--WebTV-Mail-793548856-6655-- ####### Message-ID: <35BFF945.C36D70EF@the.end.of.message> Date: Thu, 30 Jul 1998 14:40:37 +1000 From: Craig X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.05 [en] (Win95; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 Newsgroups: alt.out-of-body Subject: Re: Vibrations(Craig) References: <35BEBD04.1860AE33@the.end.of.message> <25168-35BF272C-5@newsd-102.iap.bryant.webtv.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit NNTP-Posting-Host: 203.18.28.44 X-Trace: 30 Jul 1998 14:49:46 +1000, 203.18.28.44 Lines: 23 Path: ccw.ch!pfaff.ethz.ch!news-zh.switch.ch!news-ge.switch.ch!newsfeed.uk.ibm.net!ibm.net!logbridge.uoregon.edu!newsfeed.berkeley.edu!newsfeed.wli.net!uunet!in1.uu.net!nap-ns1!203.18.28.44 marx shadow wrote: > > Aw come on I worked hard on this sig! Are they really annoying? I'll > turn them off if your really bothered... Oh, no! :-) They're not annoying. It's just that I don't see the two files at the bottom at all, they are just broken links, and when I do see your background, it makes it very difficult to see what you have written and what is quoted text. :-) I'm not sure how many other people see your posts like this, I s'pose it depends on who receives their News Group messages as html or not. :-) All the best Craig -- The sure way to make a thing impossible- -is to think it so. --- Franklin To respond, delete _nospam_ scrappy@_nospam_netconnect.com.au ###### Path: ccw.ch!usenet From: Neil Franklin Newsgroups: alt.out-of-body Subject: Re: Vibrations(Craig) Date: 30 Jul 1998 21:46:10 +0200 Organization: My own Private Self Lines: 92 Message-ID: References: <35BEBD04.1860AE33@the.end.of.message> <25168-35BF272C-5@newsd-102.iap.bryant.webtv.net> <35BFF945.C36D70EF@the.end.of.message> X-Newsreader: Gnus v5.3/Emacs 19.34 Craig writes: > > marx shadow wrote: > > > > Aw come on I worked hard on this sig! Are they really annoying? I'll > > turn them off if your really bothered... > > Oh, no! :-) They're not annoying. Yes, they are massively annoying! They (together with the rest of the HTML stuff) make your posts nearly unreadable. Actually to your good: - you at least have used links* to webbed graphics and have not included the graphics how some obnoxious people do. - you do not post the text in double (the second time with HTML intermixed in the text, or even worse only HTML mixed text. * actually this creates an other problem, namely that only people who leave their phone line connected while newsreading will get the pictures. Those that download and then read offline will in the best case get an "broken image" icon - nicely crafted signature fails. General rule: pictures are for the Web, not mail and news. > written and what is quoted text. :-) I'm not sure how many other people > see your posts like this, I s'pose it depends on who receives their News > Group messages as html or not. :-) It depends entirely on what type of newsreader the recipient is using. And whether it can decode the mess or not. MOST CAN NOT. To give you an example of what it looks like to the large mass of us, I have attached an marx post at the bottom of this one. Actually this is one of the more readable ones. -- home: Neil.Franklin@ccw.ch.remove http://www.ccw.ch/Neil.Franklin/ work: franklin@arch.ethz.ch.remove http://caad.arch.ethz.ch/~franklin/ *** It's true ! I read it on Usenet and the Web ! *** ----------------- Attachment from here on. Newsgroups: alt.out-of-body Subject: Re: Vibrations(Craig) Date: Wed, 29 Jul 1998 21:49:37 -0400 (EDT) Organization: WebTV Subscriber Lines: 28 Message-ID: <25168-35BFD131-62@newsd-102.iap.bryant.webtv.net> References: NNTP-Posting-Host: localhost.webtv.net Mime-Version: 1.0 (WebTV) Content-Type: Multipart/Mixed; Boundary=WebTV-Mail-793548856-6655 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7Bit X-WebTV-Signature: 1 ETAtAhQyqyE30N3vQ6KZu32vyPc6rtKMWgIVALT3UAQPHugOsbphGGnCnTY+lJFG X-WebTV-Stationery: Standard; Background="http://members.tripod.com/~webtv25/pswrl.gif"; TextColor=white Path: ccw.ch!pfaff.ethz.ch!news-zh.switch.ch!news.belnet.be!news-raspail.gip.net!news-peer.gip.net!news.gsl.net!gip.net!logbridge.uoregon.edu!priori!newsfeed.concentric.net!webtv.net!not-for-mail --WebTV-Mail-793548856-6655 Content-Type: Text/Plain; Charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7Bit I'll tell you what you use your webtv to respond to my posts...LMAO... : )~ Kidding friend..... --WebTV-Mail-793548856-6655 Content-Description: signature Content-Disposition: Inline Content-Type: Text/HTML; Charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7Bit Marx Shadow

--WebTV-Mail-793548856-6655-- ###### From: marxworld@webtv.net (marx shadow) Newsgroups: alt.out-of-body Subject: Re: Vibrations(Craig) Date: Thu, 30 Jul 1998 23:11:10 -0400 (EDT) Organization: WebTV Subscriber Lines: 30 Message-ID: <24882-35C135CE-114@newsd-101.iap.bryant.webtv.net> References: NNTP-Posting-Host: localhost.webtv.net Mime-Version: 1.0 (WebTV) Content-Type: Multipart/Mixed; Boundary=WebTV-Mail-925212519-12667 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7Bit X-WebTV-Signature: 1 ETAuAhUAzRWd+iYYP6Ya8wqwC1fnh87//L8CFQC2s8rkZ0DuWuCJA9V2RkPeTlDbcw== X-WebTV-Stationery: Standard; Background="http://members.tripod.com/~webtv25/pswrl.gif"; TextColor=white Path: ccw.ch!pfaff.ethz.ch!news-zh.switch.ch!news.belnet.be!newspump.monmouth.com!newspeer.monmouth.com!netnews.com!news-peer.sprintlink.net!news-peer-west.sprintlink.net!news.sprintlink.net!newsfeed.concentric.net!webtv.net!not-for-mail --WebTV-Mail-925212519-12667 Content-Type: Text/Plain; Charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7Bit You know what I find annoying? All the cut and paste... Its hard to sort everything out! I think the post and respond with no cut and paste was much neater and easier to read...Ah... my opinion... I'll keep it on topic now...I'm here to learn from everyone about there out of body experiences... I'll sort... it's worth it... --WebTV-Mail-925212519-12667 Content-Description: signature Content-Disposition: Inline Content-Type: Text/HTML; Charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7Bit Marx Shadow

--WebTV-Mail-925212519-12667-- ###### From: johnf@melbpc.org.au (John Fitzsimons) Newsgroups: alt.out-of-body Subject: Re: Vibrations(Craig) Date: Sat, 01 Aug 1998 02:06:07 GMT Organization: Melbourne PC User Group Inc, Australia Lines: 32 Message-ID: <35c1fdd3.6024725@news.melbpc.org.au> References: <35BEBD04.1860AE33@the.end.of.message> <25168-35BF272C-5@newsd-102.iap.bryant.webtv.net> <35BFF945.C36D70EF@the.end.of.message> NNTP-Posting-Host: b1-10.melbpc.org.au Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Newsreader: Forte Agent 1.5/32.451 Path: ccw.ch!pfaff.ethz.ch!news-zh.switch.ch!news.belnet.be!news-raspail.gip.net!news-peer.gip.net!news.gsl.net!gip.net!news-peer.sprintlink.net!news-peer-west.sprintlink.net!news.sprintlink.net!newsfeed.concentric.net!news.mel.aone.net.au!newsfeed-in.aone.net.au!news.mel.connect.com.au!news.melbpc.org.au!news2.melbpc.org.au!not-for-mail On 30 Jul 1998 21:46:10 +0200, Neil Franklin wrote: >Craig writes: >> marx shadow wrote: >> > Aw come on I worked hard on this sig! >Yes, they are massively annoying! They (together with the rest of the >HTML stuff) make your posts nearly unreadable. < snip > "Nearly ?" If people post in graffitti....er.... HTML then I generally consider them to be *totally* unreadable and simply ignore them completely, or killfile them. Either way I don't see the post. If the poster wanted any help/input from me then they should have posted in text not HTML. My sig is a text sig so there is no reason a sig cannot be done that way (i.e. "text"). Regards, John. **************************************************** ,-._|\ John Fitzsimons - Melbourne, Australia. / Oz \ johnf@melbpc.org.au, Fidonet 3:632/309 \_,--.x/ http://www.vicnet.net.au/~johnf/welcome.htm v http://www.alphalink.com.au/~johnf/ ###### Path: ccw.ch!usenet From: Neil Franklin Newsgroups: alt.out-of-body Subject: Re: Vibrations(Craig) Date: 01 Aug 1998 20:55:51 +0200 Organization: My own Private Self Lines: 44 Message-ID: References: <35BEBD04.1860AE33@the.end.of.message> <25168-35BF272C-5@newsd-102.iap.bryant.webtv.net> <35BFF945.C36D70EF@the.end.of.message> <35c1fdd3.6024725@news.melbpc.org.au> X-Newsreader: Gnus v5.3/Emacs 19.34 johnf@melbpc.org.au (John Fitzsimons) writes: > > wrote: > > >Yes, they are massively annoying! They (together with the rest of the > >HTML stuff) make your posts nearly unreadable. > > "Nearly ?" Yes, nearly. Not entirely, as the message can still be extracted from the wreckage. MS Word .DOC posts are the only ones than completely fail me. Makes it an out-of-crap message :-) > If people post in graffitti....er.... HTML :-) > consider them to be *totally* unreadable and simply ignore them > completely, or killfile them. Either way I don't see the post. But that type of entirely unreadable is the result of your behaviour, not the state of the post. > My sig is a text sig so there is no reason a sig cannot be done that > way (i.e. "text"). ASCII text can do a lot more than many people believe. I have actually seen a program called "bb demo" using an technique called "aa lib" that can display animated video on an pure text screen (including the mug shots of its authors). Magnificient! There also exists an adaption of the game Doom (an fast action game) to use "aa lib". -- home: Neil.Franklin@ccw.ch.remove http://www.ccw.ch/Neil.Franklin/ work: franklin@arch.ethz.ch.remove http://caad.arch.ethz.ch/~franklin/ *** It's true ! I read it on Usenet and the Web ! ***