From: "Alan Norton" Newsgroups: alt.out-of-body Subject: Vibrations Date: Wed, 22 Jul 1998 15:41:08 +0200 Organization: The South African Internet Exchange Lines: 6 Message-ID: <35b5eb41.0@news1.mweb.co.za> NNTP-Posting-Host: news1.mweb.co.za X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.2106.4 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.2106.4 Path: ccw.ch!pfaff.ethz.ch!news-zh.switch.ch!news.belnet.be!news-raspail.gip.net!news-peer.gip.net!news.gsl.net!gip.net!news2.ais.net!jamie!ais.net!uunet!in2.uu.net!news2.saix.net!mnn.mweb.co.za!196.28.131.96 Can anybody explain how these "vibrations" feel as I may have experienced them. ###### From: Wells Newsgroups: alt.out-of-body Subject: Re: Vibrations Date: Sat, 25 Jul 1998 20:12:38 -0600 Organization: Toe Goblins, Inc. Lines: 40 Message-ID: <35BA9096.FC0D8433@sk.sympatico.ca> References: <35b5eb41.0@news1.mweb.co.za> <35B9C036.B9C6D55C@the.end.of.message> <6pdtf3$10fq$1@news.gate.net> Reply-To: wellsdsp@sk.sympatico.ca NNTP-Posting-Host: nbfrsk02d0206012.sk.sympatico.ca Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.04 [en] (Win95; U) Path: ccw.ch!pfaff.ethz.ch!news-zh.switch.ch!news-ge.switch.ch!news.maxwell.syr.edu!sunqbc.risq.qc.ca!news3.bellglobal.com!news1.bellglobal.com!dragon.sk.sympatico.ca!news With me, the vibrations feel like a million guitar strings strung throughout my body, throbbing back and forth very quickly. :-) Triskelion Matrix wrote: > Craig wrote in message <35B9C036.B9C6D55C@the.end.of.message>... > >Alan Norton wrote: > >> > >> Can anybody explain how these "vibrations" feel as I may have experienced > >> them. > > > >Hi Alan > > > >The vibrations I feel are similar to what I assume being electrocuted is > >like. They are very violent, my body seems to be thrown around. I know > >this isn't physical though, I usually have my wife asleep next to me > >when I feel them and she never wakes. Believe me, the way I feel them > >the bed should be shaking. > > > > This is about how it is for me also. Many times the vibrations are not > so severe but, often you wonder why the ground is moving. They usually > are accompanied with a roar or, loud buzzing sounds. I can increase the > vibrations by concentrating on the buzzing (try to trace it back to it's > source.) > Sometimes this is when the sleep paralysis kicks in. You are frozen but > the astral you is not. > > ''''''''''''''''''''''''''''''''''''''''' > M. Bell > gothic@gate.net > http://www.gate.net/~gothic/sync.htm > > "If you're not paranoid, there's something > wrong with you" --William S. Burroughs > > Si Hoc Legere Scis Nimium Eruditionis Habes. ###### From: "Triskelion Matrix" Newsgroups: alt.out-of-body Subject: Re: Vibrations Date: Sat, 25 Jul 1998 20:30:36 -0500 Organization: CyberGate, Inc. Lines: 38 Message-ID: <6pdtf3$10fq$1@news.gate.net> References: <35b5eb41.0@news1.mweb.co.za> <35B9C036.B9C6D55C@the.end.of.message> NNTP-Posting-Host: tsmia2-98.gate.net X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.01.2111 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.01.2111 Path: ccw.ch!pfaff.ethz.ch!news-zh.switch.ch!news.belnet.be!news-raspail.gip.net!news-peer.gip.net!news.gsl.net!gip.net!news-peer.sprintlink.net!news-backup-east.sprintlink.net!news.sprintlink.net!198.206.134.41!news.gate.net!not-for-mail Craig wrote in message <35B9C036.B9C6D55C@the.end.of.message>... >Alan Norton wrote: >> >> Can anybody explain how these "vibrations" feel as I may have experienced >> them. > >Hi Alan > >The vibrations I feel are similar to what I assume being electrocuted is >like. They are very violent, my body seems to be thrown around. I know >this isn't physical though, I usually have my wife asleep next to me >when I feel them and she never wakes. Believe me, the way I feel them >the bed should be shaking. > This is about how it is for me also. Many times the vibrations are not so severe but, often you wonder why the ground is moving. They usually are accompanied with a roar or, loud buzzing sounds. I can increase the vibrations by concentrating on the buzzing (try to trace it back to it's source.) Sometimes this is when the sleep paralysis kicks in. You are frozen but the astral you is not. ''''''''''''''''''''''''''''''''''''''''' M. Bell gothic@gate.net http://www.gate.net/~gothic/sync.htm "If you're not paranoid, there's something wrong with you" --William S. Burroughs Si Hoc Legere Scis Nimium Eruditionis Habes. ###### Message-ID: <35B9C036.B9C6D55C@the.end.of.message> Date: Sat, 25 Jul 1998 21:23:34 +1000 From: Craig X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.05 [en] (Win95; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 Newsgroups: alt.out-of-body Subject: Re: Vibrations References: <35b5eb41.0@news1.mweb.co.za> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit NNTP-Posting-Host: 203.18.28.56 X-Trace: 25 Jul 1998 22:38:00 +1000, 203.18.28.56 Lines: 24 Path: ccw.ch!pfaff.ethz.ch!news-zh.switch.ch!news-ge.switch.ch!news.maxwell.syr.edu!sunqbc.risq.qc.ca!wesley.videotron.net!Pollux.Teleglobe.net!uunet!in4.uu.net!nap-ns1!203.18.28.56 Alan Norton wrote: > > Can anybody explain how these "vibrations" feel as I may have experienced > them. Hi Alan The vibrations I feel are similar to what I assume being electrocuted is like. They are very violent, my body seems to be thrown around. I know this isn't physical though, I usually have my wife asleep next to me when I feel them and she never wakes. Believe me, the way I feel them the bed should be shaking. All the best Craig -- The sure way to make a thing impossible- -is to think it so. --- Franklin To respond, delete _nospam_ scrappy@_nospam_netconnect.com.au ###### Message-ID: <35BBDC36.66A90700@the.end.of.message> Date: Mon, 27 Jul 1998 11:47:34 +1000 From: Craig X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.05 [en] (Win95; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 Newsgroups: alt.out-of-body Subject: Re: Vibrations References: <35b5eb41.0@news1.mweb.co.za> <35B9C036.B9C6D55C@the.end.of.message> <6pdtf3$10fq$1@news.gate.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit NNTP-Posting-Host: 203.18.28.51 X-Trace: 27 Jul 1998 12:03:25 +1000, 203.18.28.51 Lines: 24 Path: ccw.ch!pfaff.ethz.ch!news-zh.switch.ch!news-ge.switch.ch!news.maxwell.syr.edu!cpk-news-hub1.bbnplanet.com!news.bbnplanet.com!nntp.abs.net!uunet!in1.uu.net!nap-ns1!203.18.28.51 [M.Bell wrote] > This is about how it is for me also. Many times the vibrations are not > so severe but, often you wonder why the ground is moving. They usually > are accompanied with a roar or, loud buzzing sounds. I can increase the > vibrations by concentrating on the buzzing (try to trace it back to it's > source.) > Sometimes this is when the sleep paralysis kicks in. You are frozen but > the astral you is not. I used to get the buzzing all my life, never knowing what it was until I found out about OBE's and put two and two together. Funny thing is, as soon as I realized the buzzing sort of came with the vibrations, it just died away, and now I hardly even hear it any more. All the best Craig -- The sure way to make a thing impossible- -is to think it so. --- Franklin To respond, delete _nospam_ scrappy@_nospam_netconnect.com.au ###### From: marxworld@webtv.net (marx shadow) Newsgroups: alt.out-of-body Subject: Re: Vibrations Date: Mon, 27 Jul 1998 22:52:01 -0400 (EDT) Organization: WebTV Subscriber Lines: 27 Message-ID: <12989-35BD3CD1-85@newsd-104.iap.bryant.webtv.net> References: <35b5eb41.0@news1.mweb.co.za> NNTP-Posting-Host: localhost.webtv.net Mime-Version: 1.0 (WebTV) Content-Type: Multipart/Mixed; Boundary=WebTV-Mail-1574661419-9187 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7Bit X-WebTV-Signature: 1 ETAtAhRNxMQP9/NO4mA2ZXQV+UdGdOMxIwIVAL8KQKBXNCmA5Ia7QkPy2hnJIyXL X-WebTV-Stationery: Standard; Background="http://members.tripod.com/~webtv25/pswrl.gif"; TextColor=white Path: ccw.ch!pfaff.ethz.ch!news-zh.switch.ch!news.belnet.be!newspump.monmouth.com!newspeer.monmouth.com!priori!newsfeed.concentric.net!webtv.net!not-for-mail --WebTV-Mail-1574661419-9187 Content-Type: Text/Plain; Charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7Bit Like a jolt of electric going through your entire body. Then the noise is like freight trains going through your head then Peace... --WebTV-Mail-1574661419-9187 Content-Description: signature Content-Disposition: Inline Content-Type: Text/HTML; Charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7Bit Marx Shadow

--WebTV-Mail-1574661419-9187-- ###### From: kris@pcsonline.com (Dreamwind) Newsgroups: alt.out-of-body Subject: Re: Vibrations Date: Tue, 28 Jul 1998 00:49:46 GMT Organization: PacketWorks Public Newsserver Lines: 23 Message-ID: <35bd1fcb.5233571@news.packet.net> References: <35b5eb41.0@news1.mweb.co.za> <35B9C036.B9C6D55C@the.end.of.message> <6pdtf3$10fq$1@news.gate.net> <35BBDC36.66A90700@the.end.of.message> NNTP-Posting-Host: pcs153.pcsonline.com X-Newsreader: Forte Free Agent 1.11/32.235 Path: ccw.ch!pfaff.ethz.ch!news-zh.switch.ch!news.belnet.be!news-raspail.gip.net!news-peer.gip.net!news.gsl.net!gip.net!news-peer.sprintlink.net!news-backup-east.sprintlink.net!news.sprintlink.net!199.1.77.7!news.packet.net!not-for-mail >I used to get the buzzing all my life, never knowing what it was until I >found out about OBE's and put two and two together. Funny thing is, as >soon as I realized the buzzing sort of came with the vibrations, it just >died away, and now I hardly even hear it any more. > >All the best >Craig >-- >So you are saying that some people have OBE without the vibrations that everyone talks of? I had one "dream" That I feel was an OBE. I did not get any of those vibrations. > > -- DreamWind ************************************************************** Remember always, that all power comes from the creator *************************************************************** note; to send e-mail, remove greenpolyesthercan-can from address ###### Message-ID: <35BD5452.8ED1BB38@the.end.of.message> Date: Tue, 28 Jul 1998 14:32:18 +1000 From: Craig X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.05 [en] (Win95; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 Newsgroups: alt.out-of-body Subject: Re: Vibrations References: <35b5eb41.0@news1.mweb.co.za> <35B9C036.B9C6D55C@the.end.of.message> <6pdtf3$10fq$1@news.gate.net> <35BBDC36.66A90700@the.end.of.message> <35bd1fcb.5233571@news.packet.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit NNTP-Posting-Host: 203.18.28.43 X-Trace: 29 Jul 1998 00:54:14 +1000, 203.18.28.43 Lines: 21 Path: ccw.ch!pfaff.ethz.ch!news-zh.switch.ch!news-ge.switch.ch!feed1.news.luth.se!luth.se!sunqbc.risq.qc.ca!newspeer.monmouth.com!uunet!in1.uu.net!nap-ns1!203.18.28.43 [DreamWind wrote] > So you are saying that some people have OBE without the vibrations > that everyone talks of? I had one "dream" That I feel was an OBE. I > did not get any of those vibrations. I'm not sure if we 'need' the vibrations or not. Following what I believe, I'd say yes, we do need them. I would assume though, that we may indeed become accustomed to them and not actually notice them. I have got OOB before without 'noticing' the vibrations. Although, please don't confuse what I call 'buzzing' and the vibrations. My 'buzzing' is a noise that I used to hear all the time that has gone away for now. I'm sure it has something to do with the vibrations, but it's not the actual vibrations themselves. :-) -- The sure way to make a thing impossible- -is to think it so. --- Franklin To respond, delete _nospam_ scrappy@_nospam_netconnect.com.au ###### From: "Triskelion Matrix" Newsgroups: alt.out-of-body Subject: Re: Vibrations Date: Tue, 28 Jul 1998 22:09:13 -0500 Organization: CyberGate, Inc. Lines: 69 Message-ID: <6pm0c1$1v60$1@news.gate.net> References: <35bd1fcb.5233571@news.packet.net> <12986-35BD3DB1-411@newsd-104.iap.bryant.webtv.net> NNTP-Posting-Host: tsmia3-109.gate.net Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_0000_00000042.01BDBA74" X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.01.2111 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.01.2111 Path: ccw.ch!pfaff.ethz.ch!news-zh.switch.ch!news-ge.switch.ch!news.maxwell.syr.edu!news-peer.sprintlink.net!news-backup-east.sprintlink.net!news.sprintlink.net!198.206.134.41!news.gate.net!not-for-mail This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_0000_00000042.01BDBA74 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable marx shadow wrote in message = <12986-35BD3DB1-411@newsd-104.iap.bryant.webtv.net>... Has anyone ever fine tuned the buzzing in? For me I can hear peoples voices. If I really tune in it's one women giving me directions.... =20 =20 =20 This is very interesting! I *have* heard a few voices = now and then with the buzzing but not directions. What type of directions? M. Bell ------=_NextPart_000_0000_00000042.01BDBA74 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable

 
marx shadow wrote in message <12986-3= 5BD3DB1-411@newsd-104.iap.bryant.webtv.net>...
Has=20 anyone ever fine tuned the buzzing in? For me I can hear = peoples
voices.=20 If I really tune in it's one women giving me = directions....

            =20 This is very interesting!  I *have* heard a few voices now and=20 then with=20 the buzzing but not directions.  What type of = directions? M.=20 Bell ------=_NextPart_000_0000_00000042.01BDBA74-- ###### From: "Lars Rune Foleide" Newsgroups: alt.out-of-body References: <35b5eb41.0@news1.mweb.co.za> <35B9C036.B9C6D55C@the.end.of.message> <6pdtf3$10fq$1@news.gate.net> <35BBDC36.66A90700@the.end.of.message> <35bd1fcb.5233571@news.packet.net> <35BD5452.8ED1BB38@the.end.of.message> Subject: Re: Vibrations Date: Wed, 29 Jul 1998 00:13:41 +0200 Lines: 50 X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.3105.0 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.3105.0 NNTP-Posting-Host: t7o204p18.telia.com X-NNTP-Posting-Host: t7o204p18.telia.com Message-ID: <35be4c79.0@d2o204.telia.com> X-Complaints-To: abuse@telia.no Path: ccw.ch!pfaff.ethz.ch!news-zh.switch.ch!news-ge.switch.ch!feed1.news.luth.se!luth.se!news.algonet.se!masternews.telia.net!newsfeed2.telia.com!d2o204.telia.com!t7o204p18.telia.com Craig wrote in message >I'm not sure if we 'need' the vibrations or not. Following what I >believe, I'd say yes, we do need them. If vibrations are also need to dream, then I might agree with you.... Regards, Lars P.S. I got a flattering remark today.... Was downtown working, did that for about 6 hours and cycled to the nearest supermarket. Did it the way I normally do, and two kids 3-4 years younger than me spotted me and followed me all the way to the supermarket. Where they finally caught up with me. The first one of them said was: "You are bloody good!" I said: "Yeah, I have a lot of experience" By now you might wonder what the hell I'm talking about.... You see, I have this very special talent. I can ride the bike without using my hands. And I'm damn good at it too. I can take sharp turns almost as good as I was using my hands. In fact, you would have trouble finding someone that can matching my skill. It all started many, many years ago when I saw a guy cycling down a straight road without his hands. I thought: "Cool, I want to be able to do that too..." Well, I use my bike a lot, you can get downtown faster with a bike... :) And whenever I got the chance did I try to cycle without my hands. I'm so good at it now that I can put behinds several miles without using my hands. Anyway, that was my experience today... Me and my sister is trying to share dreams, but neither of us are lucid so it might be difficult. But she, as most kids, have a great dream recall... So she shouldn't have big problems achieving lucidity... I'm an another story.... But it will come handy when I leave for the military... Great way to stay in contact with the family... ###### From: gailpark2@aol.com (Gail Park2) Newsgroups: alt.out-of-body Subject: Re: Vibrations Lines: 5 Message-ID: <1998072904471700.AAA00488@ladder03.news.aol.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: ladder03.news.aol.com X-Admin: news@aol.com Date: 29 Jul 1998 04:47:17 GMT Organization: AOL http://www.aol.com References: <12986-35BD3DB1-411@newsd-104.iap.bryant.webtv.net> Path: ccw.ch!pfaff.ethz.ch!news-zh.switch.ch!news.belnet.be!news-raspail.gip.net!news-peer.gip.net!news.gsl.net!gip.net!portc01.blue.aol.com!audrey03.news.aol.com!not-for-mail Marx, What kind of directions? >gailpark2@aol.com ###### From: "Lars Rune Foleide" Newsgroups: alt.out-of-body References: <35b5eb41.0@news1.mweb.co.za> <35B9C036.B9C6D55C@the.end.of.message> <6pdtf3$10fq$1@news.gate.net> <35BBDC36.66A90700@the.end.of.message> <35bd1fcb.5233571@news.packet.net> <35BD5452.8ED1BB38@the.end.of.message> <35be4c79.0@d2o204.telia.com> <35BEBC77.FAF712C8@the.end.of.message> Subject: Re: Vibrations Date: Wed, 29 Jul 1998 14:44:11 +0200 Lines: 41 X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.3105.0 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.3105.0 NNTP-Posting-Host: t8o204p56.telia.com X-NNTP-Posting-Host: t8o204p56.telia.com Message-ID: <35bf1881.0@d2o204.telia.com> X-Complaints-To: abuse@telia.no Path: ccw.ch!pfaff.ethz.ch!news-zh.switch.ch!news-ge.switch.ch!news.maxwell.syr.edu!uninett.no!newsfeed2.telia.com!d2o204.telia.com!t8o204p56.telia.com Craig wrote in message > >I believe the vibrations could be one of two things. (or maybe both) > >1. They may be sleep paralysis, which sets in when we goto sleep so we >don't harm ourselves by 'acting' out the movements we make in our dreams > I like this one..... It is the sleep paralysis that makes it easy to leave your body.... > >Hey, don't you remember what I said about EGO! ;-) > Okay.... but I'm really good... ;-} It is just like being good at lucid dreaming. It require years of experience... > >Don't you love positive thinking! :-D > It is what keeps me going.... :) >Oh, btw Lars. Great homepage! Well done. (Watch that ego now!) >I tried to sign your guest book, but it spoke to me in Norwegian, and I >didn't have a clue what it said, so I got the hell out of there! ;-) > Thanks... It is just that it is about 1-2 years since I did anything with it... And the guest book is the only part on Norwegian... Mostly because others have signed it... :) Regards, Lars ###### From: Tim Newsgroups: alt.out-of-body Subject: Re: Vibrations Date: Wed, 29 Jul 1998 16:01:32 +0100 Organization: MRC Human Genome Mapping Project Resource Centre Lines: 25 Message-ID: <35BF394C.2781@sanger.ac.uk> References: <35b5eb41.0@news1.mweb.co.za> <35B9C036.B9C6D55C@the.end.of.message> <6pdtf3$10fq$1@news.gate.net> <35BBDC36.66A90700@the.end.of.message> <35bd1fcb.5233571@news.packet.net> <35BD5452.8ED1BB38@the.end.of.message> NNTP-Posting-Host: fes11.sanger.ac.uk Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Mozilla 3.04 (X11; I; OSF1 V4.0 alpha) Path: ccw.ch!pfaff.ethz.ch!news-zh.switch.ch!news-ge.switch.ch!news.maxwell.syr.edu!rill.news.pipex.net!pipex!server1.netnews.ja.net!server2.netnews.ja.net!pegasus.csx.cam.ac.uk!hgmp.mrc.ac.uk!not-for-mail Craig wrote: (snip) Although, please > don't confuse what I call 'buzzing' and the vibrations. My 'buzzing' is > a noise that I used to hear all the time that has gone away for now. I'm > sure it has something to do with the vibrations, but it's not the actual > vibrations themselves. :-) Hmmm...this is interesting to me and relates to an experience I had the other night with the buzzing. It was the first time I had had the buzzing for about five months and the most intense I have ever had them. So I managed not to get too scared or exited and just lay there relaxing my thoughts and just listening to the sound/buzz. After a while I started to notice a second sound within the buzz, something I have never heard before. This sound was, I can only describe it as an oscilltaion of the buzz within the buzz. Like the buzz was hiding something else but I had to go beyond the first buzz to percieve it. I wonder if this new thing is the actual vibrations? I too used to and still do get that intense buzz or roar. Its amazing when you discover something else (big grin) Tim. ###### Message-ID: <35BEBC77.FAF712C8@the.end.of.message> Date: Wed, 29 Jul 1998 16:08:55 +1000 From: Craig X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.05 [en] (Win95; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 Newsgroups: alt.out-of-body Subject: Re: Vibrations References: <35b5eb41.0@news1.mweb.co.za> <35B9C036.B9C6D55C@the.end.of.message> <6pdtf3$10fq$1@news.gate.net> <35BBDC36.66A90700@the.end.of.message> <35bd1fcb.5233571@news.packet.net> <35BD5452.8ED1BB38@the.end.of.message> <35be4c79.0@d2o204.telia.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit NNTP-Posting-Host: 203.18.28.54 X-Trace: 29 Jul 1998 16:21:21 +1000, 203.18.28.54 Lines: 79 Path: ccw.ch!pfaff.ethz.ch!news-zh.switch.ch!news.belnet.be!newspump.monmouth.com!newspeer.monmouth.com!news.maxwell.syr.edu!Supernews60!supernews.com!uunet!in1.uu.net!nap-ns1!203.18.28.54 Lars Rune Foleide wrote: > > Craig wrote in message > >I'm not sure if we 'need' the vibrations or not. Following what I > >believe, I'd say yes, we do need them. > > If vibrations are also need to dream, then I might agree with you.... > > Regards, > Lars I believe the vibrations could be one of two things. (or maybe both) 1. They may be sleep paralysis, which sets in when we goto sleep so we don't harm ourselves by 'acting' out the movements we make in our dreams 2. They may be the astral body becoming 'out of sync' with the physical body. Liken this to a cart which has different sized wheels on the back. While the wheels are in sync, the cart has a smooth ride. But if the wheels become out of sync, the ride becomes bumpy and unsettling. :-) Just my thoughts. :-) > P.S. > > I got a flattering remark today.... > Was downtown working, did that for about 6 hours and cycled > to the nearest supermarket. Did it the way I normally do, and two > kids 3-4 years younger than me spotted me and followed me all > the way to the supermarket. Where they finally caught up with me. > > The first one of them said was: > "You are bloody good!" > > I said: > "Yeah, I have a lot of experience" > > By now you might wonder what the hell I'm talking about.... > You see, I have this very special talent. I can ride the bike without using > my hands. And I'm damn good at it too. I can take sharp turns almost > as good as I was using my hands. In fact, you would have trouble > finding someone that can matching my skill. Hey, don't you remember what I said about EGO! ;-) > It all started many, many years ago when I saw a guy cycling down > a straight road without his hands. I thought: "Cool, I want to be able to > do that too..." > Well, I use my bike a lot, you can get downtown faster with a bike... :) > And whenever I got the chance did I try to cycle without my hands. > I'm so good at it now that I can put behinds several miles without using my > hands. Hmmm, chest or medal? ;-) > Anyway, that was my experience today... > Me and my sister is trying to share dreams, but neither of us > are lucid so it might be difficult. > But she, as most kids, have a great dream recall... > So she shouldn't have big problems achieving lucidity... > I'm an another story.... > > But it will come handy when I leave for the military... > Great way to stay in contact with the family... Don't you love positive thinking! :-D Oh, btw Lars. Great homepage! Well done. (Watch that ego now!) I tried to sign your guest book, but it spoke to me in Norwegian, and I didn't have a clue what it said, so I got the hell out of there! ;-) -- The sure way to make a thing impossible- -is to think it so. --- Franklin To respond, delete _nospam_ scrappy@_nospam_netconnect.com.au ###### Message-ID: <35BEBD04.1860AE33@the.end.of.message> Date: Wed, 29 Jul 1998 16:11:16 +1000 From: Craig X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.05 [en] (Win95; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 Newsgroups: alt.out-of-body Subject: Re: Vibrations References: <35b5eb41.0@news1.mweb.co.za> <12989-35BD3CD1-85@newsd-104.iap.bryant.webtv.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit NNTP-Posting-Host: 203.18.28.54 X-Trace: 29 Jul 1998 16:21:24 +1000, 203.18.28.54 Lines: 24 Path: ccw.ch!pfaff.ethz.ch!news-zh.switch.ch!news.belnet.be!news-raspail.gip.net!news-peer.gip.net!news.gsl.net!gip.net!newspeer.monmouth.com!uunet!in1.uu.net!nap-ns1!203.18.28.54 marx shadow wrote: > > Like a jolt of electric going through your entire body. Then the noise > is like freight trains going through your head then Peace... > > --------------------------------------------------------------- > [Image] [Image]Marx Shadow Oh yeah! That beautiful peace when you get out! Btw, Marx, is there any way you can turn the images off at the bottom of your posts? :-) All the best Craig -- The sure way to make a thing impossible- -is to think it so. --- Franklin To respond, delete _nospam_ scrappy@_nospam_netconnect.com.au ###### From: "Trish" Newsgroups: alt.out-of-body Subject: Re: Vibrations Date: Wed, 29 Jul 1998 22:50:24 -0400 Organization: gte.net Lines: 43 Message-ID: <6pomom$aok$1@news-1.news.gte.net> References: <35b5eb41.0@news1.mweb.co.za> <35B9C036.B9C6D55C@the.end.of.message> <6pdtf3$10fq$1@news.gate.net> <35BBDC36.66A90700@the.end.of.message> <35bd1fcb.5233571@news.packet.net> <35BD5452.8ED1BB38@the.end.of.message> <35be4c79.0@d2o204.telia.com> <35BEBC77.FAF712C8@the.end.of.message> <35bf1881.0@d2o204.telia.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: 2cust55.tnt2.new-port-richey.fl.gt.uu.net X-Auth: D5119F180C85CD8F4FCB8491 X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.71.1712.3 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.2106.4 Path: ccw.ch!pfaff.ethz.ch!news-zh.switch.ch!news.belnet.be!news-raspail.gip.net!news-peer.gip.net!news.gsl.net!gip.net!cpk-news-hub1.bbnplanet.com!news.bbnplanet.com!worldfeed.gte.net!newsfeed.gte.net!newsfeed2.gte.net.MISMATCH!news.gte.net!not-for-mail Lars Rune Foleide wrote in message <35bf1881.0@d2o204.telia.com>... >Craig wrote in message >> >>I believe the vibrations could be one of two things. (or maybe both) >> >>1. They may be sleep paralysis, which sets in when we goto sleep so we >>don't harm ourselves by 'acting' out the movements we make in our dreams >> > >I like this one..... >It is the sleep paralysis that makes it easy to leave your body.... > >> >>Hey, don't you remember what I said about EGO! ;-) >> > >Okay.... but I'm really good... ;-} > >It is just like being good at lucid dreaming. >It require years of experience... Here's something that you might not know Lars. It's something that only experience and maturity and a sense of tact can give: The newsgroup is for sharing ideas, right? Did you ever think that maybe some of the ideas or information you post is now being skipped over because people are tired of watching you inflate your own ego? I don't say this to be mean .. because I do feel that you honestly want to share this information and help others. But you're coming across as being self gratifying and self centered. You don't have to keep telling us how wonderful you are ... we already know how wonderful you are. I'm afraid if you keep inflating you just might pop. : ) Greetings from Florida .................... Trish capuchin@gte.net silencexx@hotmail.com ###### Path: ccw.ch!usenet From: Neil Franklin Newsgroups: alt.out-of-body Subject: Re: Vibrations Date: 30 Jul 1998 00:28:19 +0200 Organization: My own Private Self Lines: 18 Message-ID: References: <35b5eb41.0@news1.mweb.co.za> <35B9C036.B9C6D55C@the.end.of.message> <6pdtf3$10fq$1@news.gate.net> <35BBDC36.66A90700@the.end.of.message> <35bd1fcb.5233571@news.packet.net> <35BD5452.8ED1BB38@the.end.of.message> <35be4c79.0@d2o204.telia.com> X-Newsreader: Gnus v5.3/Emacs 19.34 "Lars Rune Foleide" writes: > Me and my sister is trying to share dreams, but neither of us > > But it will come handy when I leave for the military... > Great way to stay in contact with the family... That one reminds me of an story: A missionary in the early 1900s visits some natives. He sees one of them talking to an tree, as if it were to an remote relative. He goes up to the native and asks: "Why are you talking to an tree". The native answers: "Because I an poor and can't afford to use an telephone". -- home: Neil.Franklin@ccw.ch.remove http://www.ccw.ch/Neil.Franklin/ work: franklin@arch.ethz.ch.remove http://caad.arch.ethz.ch/~franklin/ *** It's true ! I read it on Usenet and the Web ! *** ###### From: "Trish" Newsgroups: alt.out-of-body Subject: Re: Vibrations Date: Thu, 30 Jul 1998 08:02:48 -0400 Organization: gte.net Lines: 42 Message-ID: <6ppn4b$ntn$1@news-1.news.gte.net> References: <35b5eb41.0@news1.mweb.co.za> <35B9C036.B9C6D55C@the.end.of.message> <6pdtf3$10fq$1@news.gate.net> <35BBDC36.66A90700@the.end.of.message> <35bd1fcb.5233571@news.packet.net> <35BD5452.8ED1BB38@the.end.of.message> <35be4c79.0@d2o204.telia.com> <35BEBC77.FAF712C8@the.end.of.message> <35bf1881.0@d2o204.telia.com> <6pomom$aok$1@news-1.news.gte.net> <35c03608.0@d2o204.telia.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: 1cust4.tnt2.new-port-richey.fl.gt.uu.net X-Auth: D511801B578ACD8054CE8491 X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.71.1712.3 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.2106.4 Path: ccw.ch!pfaff.ethz.ch!news-zh.switch.ch!news-ge.switch.ch!news.maxwell.syr.edu!cpk-news-hub1.bbnplanet.com!news.bbnplanet.com!worldfeed.gte.net!newsfeed.gte.net!newsfeed2.gte.net.MISMATCH!news.gte.net!not-for-mail Lars Rune Foleide wrote in message <35c03608.0@d2o204.telia.com>... >Trish wrote in message <6pomom$aok$1@news-1.news.gte.net>... >> >>I don't say this to be mean .. because I do feel that you honestly want to >>share this information and help others. But you're coming across as being >>self gratifying and self centered. You don't have to keep telling us how >>wonderful you are ... we already know how wonderful you are. I'm afraid if >>you keep inflating you just might pop. : ) >> > > > >*pop* ;^} > > >Don't take life serious, it isn't permanent..... >Lars I didn't think my tone was real stern or serious. : ) > >P.S. >What is wrong with getting facts on the table? >Not that riding a bike without hands has anything to do with anything. >It is just what nobody has ever commented on it, been doing this for >the last 4-5 years, and I can't remember anyone commenting on it. Wasn't talking about facts ... and wasn't referring to your biking abilities. Just your manner of communication. (And quit popping like that .. you're filling the room with gas!) : ) Greetings from Florida .................... Trish capuchin@gte.net silencexx@hotmail.com ###### From: "Lars Rune Foleide" Newsgroups: alt.out-of-body References: <35b5eb41.0@news1.mweb.co.za> <35B9C036.B9C6D55C@the.end.of.message> <6pdtf3$10fq$1@news.gate.net> <35BBDC36.66A90700@the.end.of.message> <35bd1fcb.5233571@news.packet.net> <35BD5452.8ED1BB38@the.end.of.message> <35be4c79.0@d2o204.telia.com> <35BEBC77.FAF712C8@the.end.of.message> <35bf1881.0@d2o204.telia.com> <6pomom$aok$1@news-1.news.gte.net> Subject: Re: Vibrations Date: Thu, 30 Jul 1998 11:02:27 +0200 Lines: 24 X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.3105.0 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.3105.0 NNTP-Posting-Host: t4o204p45.telia.com X-NNTP-Posting-Host: t4o204p45.telia.com Message-ID: <35c03608.0@d2o204.telia.com> X-Complaints-To: abuse@telia.no Path: ccw.ch!pfaff.ethz.ch!news-zh.switch.ch!news-ge.switch.ch!news.maxwell.syr.edu!newsfeed1.swip.net!swipnet!masternews.telia.net!newsfeed2.telia.com!d2o204.telia.com!t4o204p45.telia.com Trish wrote in message <6pomom$aok$1@news-1.news.gte.net>... > >I don't say this to be mean .. because I do feel that you honestly want to >share this information and help others. But you're coming across as being >self gratifying and self centered. You don't have to keep telling us how >wonderful you are ... we already know how wonderful you are. I'm afraid if >you keep inflating you just might pop. : ) > *pop* ;^} Don't take life serious, it isn't permanent..... Lars P.S. What is wrong with getting facts on the table? Not that riding a bike without hands has anything to do with anything. It is just what nobody has ever commented on it, been doing this for the last 4-5 years, and I can't remember anyone commenting on it. ###### From: hawksmoor@dial.pipex.com (Julia Hawkes-Moore) Newsgroups: alt.out-of-body Subject: Re: Vibrations Date: Thu, 30 Jul 1998 12:36:36 GMT Organization: UUNET UK server (post doesn't reflect views of UUNET UK) Lines: 8 Message-ID: <35c06868.143706374@news.dial.pipex.com> References: <35b5eb41.0@news1.mweb.co.za> <35B9C036.B9C6D55C@the.end.of.message> <6pdtf3$10fq$1@news.gate.net> <35BBDC36.66A90700@the.end.of.message> <35bd1fcb.5233571@news.packet.net> <35BD5452.8ED1BB38@the.end.of.message> <35be4c79.0@d2o204.telia.com> <35BEBC77.FAF712C8@the.end.of.message> <35bf1881.0@d2o204.telia.com> <6pomom$aok$1@news-1.news.gte.net> <35c03608.0@d2o204.telia.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: usern015.uk.uudial.com X-Newsreader: Forte Free Agent 1.1/16.230 Path: ccw.ch!pfaff.ethz.ch!news-zh.switch.ch!news-ge.switch.ch!news.maxwell.syr.edu!cpk-news-hub1.bbnplanet.com!news.bbnplanet.com!rill.news.pipex.net!pipex!bore.news.pipex.net!pipex!not-for-mail "Lars Rune Foleide" wrote: >Not that riding a bike without hands has anything to do with anything. >It is just what nobody has ever commented on it, been doing this for >the last 4-5 years, and I can't remember anyone commenting on it. So, Lars, learn to ride a unicycle whilst juggling knives, and not only will lots of people comment about how clever you are, but you will never lack for paid work in the year 2000.... All best wishes, Julia. ###### From: Tim Newsgroups: alt.out-of-body Subject: Re: Vibrations Date: Thu, 30 Jul 1998 12:49:42 +0100 Organization: MRC Human Genome Mapping Project Resource Centre Lines: 31 Message-ID: <35C05DD6.167E@sanger.ac.uk> References: <35b5eb41.0@news1.mweb.co.za> <35B9C036.B9C6D55C@the.end.of.message> <6pdtf3$10fq$1@news.gate.net> <35BBDC36.66A90700@the.end.of.message> <35bd1fcb.5233571@news.packet.net> <35BD5452.8ED1BB38@the.end.of.message> <35BF394C.2781@sanger.ac.uk> <35C00525.1DD74E7@the.end.of.message> NNTP-Posting-Host: fes4.sanger.ac.uk Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Mozilla 3.0 (X11; I; OSF1 V4.0 alpha) Path: ccw.ch!pfaff.ethz.ch!news-zh.switch.ch!news-ge.switch.ch!news.maxwell.syr.edu!nntp.news.xara.net!xara.net!server6.netnews.ja.net!server1.netnews.ja.net!pegasus.csx.cam.ac.uk!hgmp.mrc.ac.uk!not-for-mail Craig wrote: > I still get the 'buzzing' if I wake in the middle of my sleep. As soon > as I wake, I can hear it, very very low, nothing like what I used to. It > used to almost deafen me. Deafening?...Yep! me too. I would also get the feeling of being very small. (snip) > Sorry if I seem ignorant Tim. Do you, or have you ever had the > vibrations? I can't recall you ever saying you did? If you haven't, it > very well may be that the vibrations are indeed there. When I'm in the > vibrations, I can sort of hear them as well. Hard to explain, I don't > hear them like the buzzing, but the feeling from them seems to be noisy > as well(?) I #thought# I had experienced the vibrations but now Im not so sure. The many times in the past I would get the buzzing or roaring sound I was always scared sh*tless. Since reading about them the times I have had them has dramatically decreased. So the other night when they came I just went with them and thats when I found this other thing which I now beleive to be the real vibrations. So 'no' I don't beleive (now) that I have had the vibrations before, maybe I was just not aware of them, I think they were always there but I could not perceive them(?) Do you think then that the buzz is somehow hiding(?) the vibrations? Tim. ###### Message-ID: <35C00525.1DD74E7@the.end.of.message> Date: Thu, 30 Jul 1998 15:31:17 +1000 From: Craig X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.05 [en] (Win95; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 Newsgroups: alt.out-of-body Subject: Re: Vibrations References: <35b5eb41.0@news1.mweb.co.za> <35B9C036.B9C6D55C@the.end.of.message> <6pdtf3$10fq$1@news.gate.net> <35BBDC36.66A90700@the.end.of.message> <35bd1fcb.5233571@news.packet.net> <35BD5452.8ED1BB38@the.end.of.message> <35BF394C.2781@sanger.ac.uk> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit NNTP-Posting-Host: 203.18.28.41 X-Trace: 30 Jul 1998 19:39:40 +1000, 203.18.28.41 Lines: 37 Path: ccw.ch!pfaff.ethz.ch!news-zh.switch.ch!news-ge.switch.ch!news.maxwell.syr.edu!cpk-news-hub1.bbnplanet.com!news.bbnplanet.com!newshub.northeast.verio.net!newsfeed.nyu.edu!wesley.videotron.net!Pollux.Teleglobe.net!uunet!in1.uu.net!nap-ns1!203.18.28.41 [Tim wrote] > Hmmm...this is interesting to me and relates to an experience I had the > other night with the buzzing. It was the first time I had had the > buzzing for about five months and the most intense I have ever had them. I still get the 'buzzing' if I wake in the middle of my sleep. As soon as I wake, I can hear it, very very low, nothing like what I used to. It used to almost deafen me. > So I managed not to get too scared or exited and just lay there relaxing > my thoughts and just listening to the sound/buzz. After a while I > started to notice a second sound within the buzz, something I have never > heard before. This sound was, I can only describe it as an oscilltaion > of the buzz within the buzz. Like the buzz was hiding something else but > I had to go beyond the first buzz to percieve it. I wonder if this new > thing is the actual vibrations? I too used to and still do get that > intense buzz or roar. Sorry if I seem ignorant Tim. Do you, or have you ever had the vibrations? I can't recall you ever saying you did? If you haven't, it very well may be that the vibrations are indeed there. When I'm in the vibrations, I can sort of hear them as well. Hard to explain, I don't hear them like the buzzing, but the feeling from them seems to be noisy as well(?) > Its amazing when you discover something else (big grin) All the best Craig -- The sure way to make a thing impossible- -is to think it so. --- Franklin To respond, delete _nospam_ scrappy@_nospam_netconnect.com.au ###### From: Tim Newsgroups: alt.out-of-body Subject: Re:Vibrations Date: Sat, 01 Aug 1998 11:36:22 +0100 Organization: MRC Human Genome Mapping Project Resource Centre Lines: 39 Message-ID: <35C2EFA6.167E@sanger.ac.uk> NNTP-Posting-Host: fes11.sanger.ac.uk Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Mozilla 3.04 (X11; I; OSF1 V4.0 alpha) Path: ccw.ch!pfaff.ethz.ch!news-zh.switch.ch!news.belnet.be!news-raspail.gip.net!news-lond.gip.net!news.gsl.net!gip.net!nntp.news.xara.net!xara.net!server6.netnews.ja.net!server1.netnews.ja.net!pegasus.csx.cam.ac.uk!hgmp.mrc.ac.uk!not-for-mail Hi Craig, Because you news server was down and In case you didn't get the reply I posted here. Im reposting it.... Craig wrote: I still get the 'buzzing' if I wake in the middle of my sleep. As soon as I wake, I can hear it, very very low, nothing like what I used to. It used to almost deafen me. Tim writes: Deafening?....yep! me too. I would also get the feeling of being very small. Craig wrote: Sorry if I seem ignorant Tim. Do you, or have you ever had the vibrations? I can't recall you ever saying you did? If you haven't, it very well may be that the vibrations are indeed there. When I'm in the vibrations, I can sort of hear them as well. Hard to explain, I don't hear them like the buzzing, but the feeling from them seems to be noisy as well(?) Tim writes: I #thought# I had experienced the vibrations but now Im not so sure. The many times in the past I would get the buzzing or roaring sound I was always scared sh*tless. Since reading about them, the times I have had them has dramatically decreased. So the other night when they came I just went with them and thats when I found this other thing which I now believe to be the real vibrations. So 'no' I don't believe (now) that I have had the vibrations before, maybe I was just not aware of them, I think they were always there but I could not percieve them(?) Do you think then that the buzz is somehow hiding(?) the vibrations? Tim. ###### Message-ID: <35C4C422.4E48C7ED@the.end.of.message> Date: Mon, 03 Aug 1998 05:55:14 +1000 From: Craig Organization: Deja Vous X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.05 [en] (Win95; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 Newsgroups: alt.out-of-body Subject: Re: Vibrations References: <35b5eb41.0@news1.mweb.co.za> <35B9C036.B9C6D55C@the.end.of.message> <6pdtf3$10fq$1@news.gate.net> <35BBDC36.66A90700@the.end.of.message> <35bd1fcb.5233571@news.packet.net> <35BD5452.8ED1BB38@the.end.of.message> <35be4c79.0@d2o204.telia.com> <6q08bg$1psu$1@news.gate.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit NNTP-Posting-Host: 203.18.28.50 X-Trace: 3 Aug 1998 06:49:48 +1000, 203.18.28.50 Lines: 37 Path: ccw.ch!pfaff.ethz.ch!news-zh.switch.ch!news.belnet.be!news-raspail.gip.net!news-peer.gip.net!news.gsl.net!gip.net!sunqbc.risq.qc.ca!wesley.videotron.net!Pollux.Teleglobe.net!uunet!in1.uu.net!nap-ns1!203.18.28.50 Triskelion Matrix wrote: > I am not sure that "The Vibrations" and Lucid Dreaming get you > the same OOBE. Sometimes they do I guess but, could it be > that lucid dreaming gets you mostly to the astral plane and the > buzzing or, vibrations just gets you out-of-body. I think that an > OOBE can happen on several levels: Astral, material, mental, past, > future, etc. > > What I am saying is that sometimes you project into the astral > and other times you might project into the physical and, sometimes > into another dimention. etc. > > Or, I could be wrong about the whole thing. > > ''''''''''''''''''''''''''''''''''''''''' > M. Bell > gothic@gate.net > http://www.gate.net/~gothic/sync.htm I find that getting OOB from a lucid dream doesn't seem as 'real' as getting OOB from a relaxed awake state. Maybe because when I get out from being awake, I really 'feel' my conscious or astral body separating, but from a dream it's more dream like. Sometimes I even nearly talk myself into believing an OBE from a licid dream was just a dream. All the best Craig -- The sure way to make a thing impossible- -is to think it so. --- Franklin To respond, delete _nospam_ scrappy@_nospam_netconnect.com.au ###### From: kris@pcsonline.com (Dreamwind) Newsgroups: alt.out-of-body Subject: Re: Vibrations Date: Wed, 05 Aug 1998 02:39:31 GMT Organization: PacketWorks Public Newsserver Lines: 52 Message-ID: <35c7c22d.95871756@news.packet.net> References: <35b5eb41.0@news1.mweb.co.za> <35B9C036.B9C6D55C@the.end.of.message> NNTP-Posting-Host: pcs162.pcsonline.com X-Newsreader: Forte Free Agent 1.11/32.235 Path: ccw.ch!pfaff.ethz.ch!news-zh.switch.ch!news-ge.switch.ch!news-fra1.dfn.de!news-was.dfn.de!news-spur1.maxwell.syr.edu!news.maxwell.syr.edu!cpk-news-hub1.bbnplanet.com!su-news-feed1.bbnplanet.com!news.bbnplanet.com!newsgate.tandem.com!daver!news.packet.net!not-for-mail On Sat, 25 Jul 1998 21:23:34 +1000, Craig wrote: For the first time in a "Lucid Dream," I felt something akin to the "vibrations" that so many people here talk about. This afteroon when I took a nap, I went into a lucid dream through deductive reasoning. That was kind of funny, because I stood there and told someone else that they were in a dream, then when he walked out the door unimpressed with that fact I said "wait a minute, if he's in a dream, then that means that I'm in a dream too!" When I became concious in the dream suddenly, I seemed tickled at the reasoning that I had used to get into that state. Anyway, partway into the dream, I had to concentrate very hard to maintain the delecate balance between sleep and wakefullness to remain in the dream. Once I achieved that state, I could stop concentrating on it. I suddenly because aware of a vibration, or sensation and sound that became louder and louder. It sounded like a drumbeat, or a heartbeat inside my head. As the sound became louder, I could feel the drum sound pounding, or throbbing inside my head. It sounded like Native American drumming that I had heard at powwow's before. I stopped to reflect on the sound and the sensation and recall thinking "now, what's with that?" I thought to myself that this is similar to the vibrations that people talk about on the lucid dreams, and OBE newsgroups. I also made a mental note that it didn't hurt, but rather it felt kinda good as if something was massaging the inside of my brain if that is possible. After reflecting on this sensation for a momment, I went on with my lucid experience. As I was typing this, I thought of something else. I have had 5 MRI's (Magnetic Resonent Imaging...sort of like an X-ray that is extremely detailed, and done with a huge magnet) within 4 years, and this sensation was remarkably like that of the pounding of the magnet in the MRI process. Only in the MRI process, the pounding sound (which, by the way you CAN feel the sensation of cause it's so loud) isn't a continuous rhythm for any extended period of time. The vibration sensation was a continuous rythm like that of a drum. Things in the dream seemed to move to that heartbeat pattern of the drumming vibrations. When I am having an MRI, I relax and sooth myself by thinking of the powwow-type of drumming while that atrotious magnet is pounding. -- DreamWind ************************************************************** Remember always, that all power comes from the creator *************************************************************** note; to send e-mail, remove greenpolyesthercan-can from address ###### Message-ID: <35C8C782.25B6FFB8@the.end.of.message> Date: Thu, 06 Aug 1998 06:58:42 +1000 From: Craig Organization: Deja Vous X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.05 [en] (Win95; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 Newsgroups: alt.out-of-body Subject: Re: Vibrations References: <35b5eb41.0@news1.mweb.co.za> <35B9C036.B9C6D55C@the.end.of.message> <35c7c22d.95871756@news.packet.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit NNTP-Posting-Host: 203.18.28.46 X-Trace: 6 Aug 1998 08:47:18 +1000, 203.18.28.46 Lines: 60 Path: ccw.ch!pfaff.ethz.ch!news-zh.switch.ch!news.belnet.be!newspump.monmouth.com!newspeer.monmouth.com!Supernews60!supernews.com!uunet!in1.uu.net!nap-ns1!203.18.28.46 Dreamwind wrote: > For the first time in a "Lucid Dream," I felt something akin to the > "vibrations" that so many people here talk about. > > This afteroon when I took a nap, I went into a lucid dream through > deductive reasoning. That was kind of funny, because I stood there and > told someone else that they were in a dream, then when he walked out > the door unimpressed with that fact I said "wait a minute, if he's in > a dream, then that means that I'm in a dream too!" When I became > concious in the dream suddenly, I seemed tickled at the reasoning that > I had used to get into that state. > > Anyway, partway into the dream, I had to concentrate very hard to > maintain the delecate balance between sleep and wakefullness to remain > in the dream. Once I achieved that state, I could stop concentrating > on it. I suddenly because aware of a vibration, or sensation and sound > that became louder and louder. It sounded like a drumbeat, or a > heartbeat inside my head. As the sound became louder, I could feel the > drum sound pounding, or throbbing inside my head. It sounded like > Native American drumming that I had heard at powwow's before. I > stopped to reflect on the sound and the sensation and recall thinking > "now, what's with that?" I thought to myself that this is similar to > the vibrations that people talk about on the lucid dreams, and OBE > newsgroups. I also made a mental note that it didn't hurt, but rather > it felt kinda good as if something was massaging the inside of my > brain if that is possible. After reflecting on this sensation for a > momment, I went on with my lucid experience. > > As I was typing this, I thought of something else. I have had 5 MRI's > (Magnetic Resonent Imaging...sort of like an X-ray that is extremely > detailed, and done with a huge magnet) within 4 years, and this > sensation was remarkably like that of the pounding of the magnet in > the MRI process. Only in the MRI process, the pounding sound (which, > by the way you CAN feel the sensation of cause it's so loud) isn't a > continuous rhythm for any extended period of time. The vibration > sensation was a continuous rythm like that of a drum. Things in the > dream seemed to move to that heartbeat pattern of the drumming > vibrations. When I am having an MRI, I relax and sooth myself by > thinking of the powwow-type of drumming while that atrotious magnet is > pounding. > > -- > DreamWind One thing I've found with the vibrations I got in my lucid dream is that they seemed to not be as strong as when I get them from other methods. I'm not sure if this is because I'm within a dream to start with or not, but I'm sure it has something to do with it. All the best Craig -- The sure way to make a thing impossible- -is to think it so. --- Franklin To respond, delete _nospam_ scrappy@_nospam_netconnect.com.au