From: "Wren" Newsgroups: alt.out-of-body Subject: New (un)official alt.out-of-body Website Date: Mon, 20 Jul 1998 19:01:23 +0100 Organization: Legend Internet Ltd Lines: 30 Message-ID: <35b385b6.0@katana.legend.co.uk> NNTP-Posting-Host: katana.legend.co.uk X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.3110.1 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.3110.3 X-NNTP-Posting-Host: 194.164.49.3 Path: ccw.ch!pfaff.ethz.ch!news-zh.switch.ch!news-ge.switch.ch!news.maxwell.syr.edu!newshub.northeast.verio.net!btnet-peer!btnet!news.netkonect.net!katana.legend.co.uk!194.164.49.3 Dear All, As you are no doubt all already aware that Jean (Galliano) and Lewie (Frodpod) have been doing a great job maintaining the AstralNaughts Web Site (congrats you guys ), not to mention Irene's (Stone's) new pictures site. We are now trying to establish a complete site dedicated to this NG. The address of the site is as follows - www.xsite.ltd.uk/astral Before we go past the current 'under development' state, we would like input from everyone who is interested on this NG (after all, it's for all our mutual benefit). All comments are welcomed regards both content and design (but please bare in mind we'd prefer not to have to re-write the whole thing from scratch -) ). I look forward to all comments / suggestions. Wren wren@xsite.ltd.uk PS I believe Arcloge is trying to set up an IRC channel dedicated to OOBE, however there is already an EXTREMELY good channel set up doing just that - full details can be found at their site - www.ascc.org/ ###### Message-ID: <35B3E97A.198B291F@pop.slkc.uswest.net> Date: Mon, 20 Jul 1998 18:06:03 -0700 From: Beth Reply-To: oberoberts@uswest.net X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.04 [en] (Win95; U) MIME-Version: 1.0 Newsgroups: alt.out-of-body Subject: Re: New (un)official alt.out-of-body Website References: <35b385b6.0@katana.legend.co.uk> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit NNTP-Posting-Host: mdialup186.slkc.uswest.net X-Trace: 20 Jul 1998 18:56:44 +0500, mdialup186.slkc.uswest.net Lines: 20 X-Report: Report abuse to abuse@uswest.net. Path: ccw.ch!pfaff.ethz.ch!news-zh.switch.ch!news-ge.switch.ch!news.maxwell.syr.edu!newsfeed.wli.net!su-news-hub1.bbnplanet.com!su-news-feed4.bbnplanet.com!news.bbnplanet.com!newsfeed1.uswest.net!news1.uswest.net!mdialup186.slkc.uswest.net Wren wrote: > > > Before we go past the current 'under development' state, we would like input > from everyone who is interested on this NG (after all, it's for all our > mutual benefit). > > All comments are welcomed regards both content and design (but please bare > in mind we'd prefer not to have to re-write the whole thing from scratch > Please do a FAQ page for all the newbies that we can refer them to directly when they first post. Thank you. Beth ###### From: hawksmoor@dial.pipex.com (Julia Hawkes-Moore) Newsgroups: alt.out-of-body Subject: Re: New (un)official alt.out-of-body Website Date: Mon, 20 Jul 1998 18:35:30 GMT Organization: UUNET UK server (post doesn't reflect views of UUNET UK) Lines: 24 Message-ID: <35b38c9b.89720591@news.dial.pipex.com> References: <35b385b6.0@katana.legend.co.uk> NNTP-Posting-Host: userp004.uk.uudial.com X-Newsreader: Forte Free Agent 1.1/16.230 Path: ccw.ch!pfaff.ethz.ch!news-zh.switch.ch!news-ge.switch.ch!news.maxwell.syr.edu!newsfeed1.swip.net!swipnet!rill.news.pipex.net!pipex!bore.news.pipex.net!pipex!not-for-mail "Wren" wrote: >As you are no doubt all already aware that Jean (Galliano) and Lewie >(Frodpod) have been doing a great job maintaining the AstralNaughts Web Site >(congrats you guys ), not to mention Irene's (Stone's) new pictures site. >We are now trying to establish a complete site dedicated to this NG. >The address of the site is as follows - www.xsite.ltd.uk/astral >Before we go past the current 'under development' state, we would like input >from everyone who is interested on this NG (after all, it's for all our >mutual benefit). >All comments are welcomed regards both content and design (but please bare >in mind we'd prefer not to have to re-write the whole thing from scratch GOOD FOR YOU! (Oops, caps lock off) As you may be aware, I have an elderly steam-powered computer so I put in a plea for lots of text, not any of those graphics buttons that take forever or are invisible, as too many 'high-powered' computer-buff sites are these days. Wordy and old-fashioned is fine by me! Please use my 'history of oobes' series, any of those lengthy researchy posts I've put up in the past - I can resend them if you like! (I can't see any other use for them as yet!) All bets wishes, JHM ###### Newsgroups: alt.out-of-body Subject: Re: New (un)official alt.out-of-body Website Date: Mon, 20 Jul 1998 23:48:25 -0400 Organization: gte.net Lines: 49 Message-ID: <6p12qj$ar5$1@news-1.news.gte.net> References: <35b385b6.0@katana.legend.co.uk> NNTP-Posting-Host: 1cust19.tnt1.new-port-richey.fl.gt.uu.net X-Auth: D511C1471282CD8F52958491 X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.71.1712.3 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.2106.4 Path: ccw.ch!pfaff.ethz.ch!news-zh.switch.ch!news-ge.switch.ch!news.maxwell.syr.edu!nntp.giganews.com!worldfeed.gte.net!newsfeed.gte.net!newsfeed2.gte.net.MISMATCH!news.gte.net!not-for-mail Wren wrote in message <35b385b6.0@katana.legend.co.uk>... >Dear All, > >As you are no doubt all already aware that Jean (Galliano) and Lewie >(Frodpod) have been doing a great job maintaining the AstralNaughts Web Site >(congrats you guys ), not to mention Irene's (Stone's) new pictures site. > >We are now trying to establish a complete site dedicated to this NG. > >The address of the site is as follows - www.xsite.ltd.uk/astral > >Before we go past the current 'under development' state, we would like input >from everyone who is interested on this NG (after all, it's for all our >mutual benefit). > >All comments are welcomed regards both content and design (but please bare >in mind we'd prefer not to have to re-write the whole thing from scratch >-) ). > >I look forward to all comments / suggestions. > >Wren >wren@xsite.ltd.uk > >PS > >I believe Arcloge is trying to set up an IRC channel dedicated to OOBE, >however there is already an EXTREMELY good channel set up doing just that - >full details can be found at their site - www.ascc.org/ > > Nice job so far Wren. I especially like how the words flow past the logo in the background. It adds a nice touch without the words becoming unclear. Like Beth said, a FAQ with regard to all ideas and opinions would be nice .. though it may be rather lengthy. Maybe a set of links to various FAQ pages out there. Greetings from Florida .................... Trish capuchin@gte.net silencexx@hotmail.com ###### Message-ID: <35B40931.817F6A99@netconnect.com.au> Date: Tue, 21 Jul 1998 13:21:21 +1000 From: Craig Organization: Deja Vous X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.04 [en] (Win95; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 Newsgroups: alt.out-of-body Subject: Re: New (un)official alt.out-of-body Website References: <35b385b6.0@katana.legend.co.uk> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit NNTP-Posting-Host: 203.18.28.41 X-Trace: 21 Jul 1998 21:52:58 +1000, 203.18.28.41 Lines: 24 Path: ccw.ch!pfaff.ethz.ch!news-zh.switch.ch!news-ge.switch.ch!news.maxwell.syr.edu!newsfeed.nyu.edu!newsfeed.sgi.net!uunet!in4.uu.net!nap-ns1!203.18.28.41 [Wren wrote] > I believe Arcloge is trying to set up an IRC channel dedicated to OOBE, > however there is already an EXTREMELY good channel set up doing just that - > full details can be found at their site - www.ascc.org/ > All well and good, but of the countless times I tried to get onto any IRC channels having anything remotely to do with OBE there was never anyone there. (Aussie time is almost opposite to USA) PLUS, wouldn't it be so much better to have an IRC channel devoted exclusively to this News Group, just like the pages that are currently up such as Irene's, Galliano and Frodpod's and yours. They have everything to do with the friendships that are being formed within this Group at the moment.Boy, does everybody else feel the bonding that is going on here at the moment? :-) All the best Craig ###### From: hawksmoor@dial.pipex.com (Julia Hawkes-Moore) Newsgroups: alt.out-of-body Subject: Re: New (un)official alt.out-of-body Website Date: Tue, 21 Jul 1998 15:07:09 GMT Organization: UUNET UK server (post doesn't reflect views of UUNET UK) Lines: 25 Message-ID: <35b4ac44.9656583@news.dial.pipex.com> References: <35b385b6.0@katana.legend.co.uk> <35b38c9b.89720591@news.dial.pipex.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: userl237.uk.uudial.com X-Newsreader: Forte Free Agent 1.1/16.230 Path: ccw.ch!pfaff.ethz.ch!news-zh.switch.ch!news-ge.switch.ch!news.maxwell.syr.edu!rill.news.pipex.net!pipex!bore.news.pipex.net!pipex!not-for-mail >"Wren" wrote: >>As you are no doubt all already aware that Jean (Galliano) and Lewie >>(Frodpod) have been doing a great job maintaining the AstralNaughts Web Site >>(congrats you guys ), not to mention Irene's (Stone's) new pictures site. >>We are now trying to establish a complete site dedicated to this NG. >>The address of the site is as follows - www.xsite.ltd.uk/astral >>Before we go past the current 'under development' state, we would like input >>from everyone who is interested on this NG (after all, it's for all our >>mutual benefit). >>All comments are welcomed regards both content and design (but please bare >>in mind we'd prefer not to have to re-write the whole thing from scratch Um, I think that 'Astralnaughts' is rather negative (naught = nothing, none, wickedness, evil, good-for-nothing, worthless, bad, immoral, hurtful, foiled, ruined, frustrate, baffle, to treat as of no account, to despise) and may be better spelled as 'Astralnauts' (naut = nautical, the science of navigation, astronauts etc). Didn't someone suggest this a while back? Plus, a book list would be invaluable. I know someone used to post one here regularly; if they did so again, we could all add our tips. Compiling a FAQ is a daunting task; run your outline past the newsgroup and see if we can add extra stuff. A page of personal experiences (best OOBE ever type stuff) and another of related phenomena would be good. All best wishes, JHM ###### From: johnf@melbpc.org.au (John Fitzsimons) Newsgroups: alt.out-of-body Subject: Re: New (un)official alt.out-of-body Website Date: Tue, 21 Jul 1998 23:36:27 GMT Organization: Melbourne PC User Group Inc, Australia Lines: 50 Message-ID: <35ba221a.6707483@news.melbpc.org.au> References: <35b385b6.0@katana.legend.co.uk> <6p12qj$ar5$1@news-1.news.gte.net> NNTP-Posting-Host: b1-43.melbpc.org.au Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Newsreader: Forte Agent 1.5/32.451 Path: ccw.ch!pfaff.ethz.ch!news-zh.switch.ch!news-ge.switch.ch!news.maxwell.syr.edu!news.mel.connect.com.au!news.melbpc.org.au!news2.melbpc.org.au!not-for-mail On Mon, 20 Jul 1998 23:48:25 -0400, "Trish" wrote: >Wren wrote in message <35b385b6.0@katana.legend.co.uk>... < snip > >>We are now trying to establish a complete site dedicated to this NG. >>The address of the site is as follows - www.xsite.ltd.uk/astral < snip > >>All comments are welcomed regards both content and design (but please bare >>in mind we'd prefer not to have to re-write the whole thing from scratch >>-) ). >>I look forward to all comments / suggestions. Even criticism ? :-) >>Wren < snip > >>full details can be found at their site - www.ascc.org/ >Nice job so far Wren. < snip > Sorry, but that's not my impression. When I usually get to a "framed" web page I generally stay there a maximum of about 30 seconds. This time I stayed about 35 seconds due to the subject matter. If it wasn't a "framed" site I would have stayed longer. Compare the "framed" (jigsaw) site to the other one mentioned and the latter one is miles easier/better IMO for navigation/readability. Ignoring "content" for the moment. I hope Wren can reconsider his web strategy here. If so it should end up an interesting web site for this newsgroup. :-) Regards, John. **************************************************** ,-._|\ John Fitzsimons - Melbourne, Australia. / Oz \ johnf@melbpc.org.au, Fidonet 3:632/309 \_,--.x/ http://www.vicnet.net.au/~johnf/welcome.htm v http://www.alphalink.com.au/~johnf/ ###### Path: ccw.ch!usenet From: Neil Franklin Newsgroups: alt.out-of-body Subject: Re: New (un)official alt.out-of-body Website Date: 22 Jul 1998 01:09:28 +0200 Organization: My own Private Self Lines: 19 Message-ID: References: <35b385b6.0@katana.legend.co.uk> X-Newsreader: Gnus v5.3/Emacs 19.34 "Wren" writes: > Before we go past the current 'under development' state, we would like input > from everyone who is interested on this NG (after all, it's for all our > mutual benefit). > All comments are welcomed regards both content and design (but please bare > in mind we'd prefer not to have to re-write the whole thing from scratch > -) ). What about an complete collection of all messages posted to a.oob? I can supply everything posted in 1998, minus a few percent lossed due to unreliable news servers. Note: that is presently 7 1/2 monthes, 6770 messages, 20.4MByte. -- private: Neil.Franklin@ccw.ch.remove http://www.ccw.ch/Neil.Franklin/ office: franklin@arch.ethz.ch.remove http://caad.arch.ethz.ch/~franklin/ WinCE car, crashing soon on a road near you ###### Message-ID: <35B5580D.1491CF8D@netconnect.com.au> Date: Wed, 22 Jul 1998 13:10:05 +1000 From: Craig Organization: Deja Vous X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.05 [en] (Win95; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 Newsgroups: alt.out-of-body Subject: Re: New (un)official alt.out-of-body Website References: <35b385b6.0@katana.legend.co.uk> <6p12qj$ar5$1@news-1.news.gte.net> <35ba221a.6707483@news.melbpc.org.au> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit NNTP-Posting-Host: 203.18.28.48 X-Trace: 22 Jul 1998 16:26:51 +1000, 203.18.28.48 Lines: 23 Path: ccw.ch!pfaff.ethz.ch!news-zh.switch.ch!news-ge.switch.ch!news.maxwell.syr.edu!sunqbc.risq.qc.ca!wesley.videotron.net!Pollux.Teleglobe.net!uunet!in4.uu.net!nap-ns1!203.18.28.48 [John wrote] > Sorry, but that's not my impression. When I usually get to a "framed" > web page I generally stay there a maximum of about 30 seconds. This > time I stayed about 35 seconds due to the subject matter. If it wasn't > a "framed" site I would have stayed longer. Compare the "framed" > (jigsaw) site to the other one mentioned and the latter one is miles > easier/better IMO for navigation/readability. Ignoring "content" for > the moment. > I tend to agree with John here. Plus, if it wasn't framed you wouldn't need to have it set at the smaller resolution would you? I also find saving framed sites (oops - are we allowed to do that) to my hard drive a really bothersome task. It's a great idea to have the frames, but some people would find it very slow to load I'd think. If the page didn't load fast they probably wouldn't stick around. Very nicely done though, I'd suggest keeping the design of the page, just not framed. :-) ###### From: djey Newsgroups: alt.out-of-body Subject: Re: New (un)official alt.out-of-body Website Date: Wed, 22 Jul 1998 13:27:11 +1200 Organization: school of architecture Lines: 35 Message-ID: <35B53FEF.534E@arch.vuw.ac.nz> References: <35b385b6.0@katana.legend.co.uk> Reply-To: brick@arch.vuw.ac.nz NNTP-Posting-Host: totara.its.vuw.ac.nz Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Mozilla 3.04Gold (WinNT; I) Cache-Post-Path: totara.its.vuw.ac.nz!unknown@walker.arch.vuw.ac.nz X-Cache: nntpcache 2.3.2.1 (see http://www.nntpcache.org/) Path: ccw.ch!pfaff.ethz.ch!news-zh.switch.ch!news-ge.switch.ch!enews.sgi.com!news-feed.inet.tele.dk!bofh.vszbr.cz!intgwlon.nntp.telstra.net!news.telstra.net.nz!news.wlg.netlink.net.nz!not-for-mail Wren wrote: > > Dear All, > > As you are no doubt all already aware that Jean (Galliano) and Lewie > (Frodpod) have been doing a great job maintaining the AstralNaughts Web Site > (congrats you guys ), not to mention Irene's (Stone's) new pictures site. > > We are now trying to establish a complete site dedicated to this NG. > > The address of the site is as follows - www.xsite.ltd.uk/astral > > Before we go past the current 'under development' state, we would like input > from everyone who is interested on this NG (after all, it's for all our > mutual benefit). > > All comments are welcomed regards both content and design (but please bare > in mind we'd prefer not to have to re-write the whole thing from scratch > -) ). > > I look forward to all comments / suggestions. > > Wren > wren@xsite.ltd.uk > > PS > > I believe Arcloge is trying to set up an IRC channel dedicated to OOBE, > however there is already an EXTREMELY good channel set up doing just that - > full details can be found at their site - www.ascc.org/ Congratulations Wren on your webpage, I think its very clear with a simple navigation system that will not hinder expansion. Your articles have very quickly given me explanations for experiences I didnt have language for and some experiences I have yet to enjoy. Regards Djey ###### From: Gunnar Ljungstrand Newsgroups: alt.out-of-body Subject: Re: New (un)official alt.out-of-body Website Date: Wed, 22 Jul 1998 20:29:54 +0200 Organization: Algonet/Tninet Lines: 20 Message-ID: <35B62FA2.5927591E@algonet.se> References: <35b385b6.0@katana.legend.co.uk> <6p12qj$ar5$1@news-1.news.gte.net> <35ba221a.6707483@news.melbpc.org.au> <35B5580D.1491CF8D@netconnect.com.au> Reply-To: dervak@algonet.se NNTP-Posting-Host: du42-25.ppp.algonet.se Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.04 [en] (WinNT; I) Path: ccw.ch!pfaff.ethz.ch!news-zh.switch.ch!news.belnet.be!news-raspail.gip.net!news-stkh.gip.net!news.gsl.net!gip.net!masternews.telia.net!news.algonet.se!pepsi.tninet.se!not-for-mail Craig wrote: > > I tend to agree with John here. Plus, if it wasn't framed you wouldn't > need to have it set at the smaller resolution would you? I also find > saving framed sites (oops - are we allowed to do that) to my hard > drive a really bothersome task. It's a great idea to have the frames, > but some people would find it very slow to load I'd think. If the page > didn't load fast they probably wouldn't stick around. > > Very nicely done though, I'd suggest keeping the design of the page, > just not framed. :-) An alternative to frames could be to use tables instead. That way you still can make a page that is independent on the screen resolution of the viewer´s computer - with intact page layout including embedded images. See you out there... /Gunnar ###### From: djey Newsgroups: alt.out-of-body Subject: Re: New (un)official alt.out-of-body Website Date: Thu, 23 Jul 1998 12:05:10 +1200 Organization: school of architecture Lines: 12 Message-ID: <35B67E36.4455@arch.vuw.ac.nz> References: <35b385b6.0@katana.legend.co.uk> <6p12qj$ar5$1@news-1.news.gte.net> <35ba221a.6707483@news.melbpc.org.au> <35B5580D.1491CF8D@netconnect.com.au> Reply-To: brick@arch.vuw.ac.nz NNTP-Posting-Host: totara.its.vuw.ac.nz Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Mozilla 3.04Gold (WinNT; I) Cache-Post-Path: totara.its.vuw.ac.nz!unknown@walker.arch.vuw.ac.nz X-Cache: nntpcache 2.3.2.1 (see http://www.nntpcache.org/) Path: ccw.ch!pfaff.ethz.ch!news-zh.switch.ch!news-ge.switch.ch!news.maxwell.syr.edu!intgwpad.nntp.telstra.net!intgwlon.nntp.telstra.net!news.telstra.net.nz!news.wlg.netlink.net.nz!not-for-mail Craig wrote: > > [John wrote] > > > Sorry, but that's not my impression. When I usually get to a "framed" > > web page I generally stay there a maximum of about 30 seconds. This > Very nicely done though, I'd suggest keeping the design of the page, > just not framed. :-) Technically , the pages are not in frames but tables, so there shouldn't be any difference in download time. Regards Djey ###### Message-ID: <35B6AA20.9DBA8F6@netconnect.com.au> Date: Thu, 23 Jul 1998 13:12:32 +1000 From: Craig Organization: Deja Vous X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.05 [en] (Win95; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 Newsgroups: alt.out-of-body Subject: Re: New (un)official alt.out-of-body Website References: <35b385b6.0@katana.legend.co.uk> <6p12qj$ar5$1@news-1.news.gte.net> <35ba221a.6707483@news.melbpc.org.au> <35B5580D.1491CF8D@netconnect.com.au> <35B67E36.4455@arch.vuw.ac.nz> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit NNTP-Posting-Host: 203.18.28.47 X-Trace: 23 Jul 1998 23:05:10 +1000, 203.18.28.47 Lines: 21 Path: ccw.ch!pfaff.ethz.ch!news-zh.switch.ch!news-ge.switch.ch!enews.sgi.com!news.idt.net!netnews.com!news2.ais.net!jamie!ais.net!uunet!in4.uu.net!nap-ns1!203.18.28.47 [Djey wrote] > Technically , the pages are not in frames but tables, so there > shouldn't be any difference in download time. > Regards Djey > Hmmmm, but lets say you have 3 pages loading as 1 framed page. The way windoze 95 doesn't multitask truly, only one page, or frame if you like, will be loading at a time. So if I goto a framed site, I'm effectively loading all the frames at the one time. That's gotta be heaps slower than just going to one page and following links to other pages of interest at that site. Don't tables take a long time to load as well 'cos as soon as the browser picks up there is a table it will stop loading everything else and load that? Seems we would come to the same problem there as well. I just visited Wrens page though and now there is a choice for us, framed or no frames. :-) I know which why I'll be going. ;-) ###### From: "Shane" Newsgroups: alt.out-of-body References: <35b385b6.0@katana.legend.co.uk> Subject: Re: New (un)official alt.out-of-body Website Date: Sat, 25 Jul 1998 01:22:33 +1000 Lines: 15 X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.3110.1 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.3110.3 NNTP-Posting-Host: 139.134.63.166 Message-ID: <35b95d6c.0@139.134.5.33> Path: ccw.ch!pfaff.ethz.ch!news-zh.switch.ch!news.belnet.be!news-raspail.gip.net!news-peer.gip.net!news.gsl.net!gip.net!news.maxwell.syr.edu!news.mel.connect.com.au!news.syd.connect.com.au!nsw.nntp.telstra.net!139.134.5.33!139.134.63.166 Neil Franklin wrote in message ... >What about an complete collection of all messages posted to a.oob? > >I can supply everything posted in 1998, minus a few percent lossed due >to unreliable news servers. > >Note: that is presently 7 1/2 monthes, 6770 messages, 20.4MByte. You could get that from Dejanews Shane ###### From: johnf@melbpc.org.au (John Fitzsimons) Newsgroups: alt.out-of-body Subject: Re: New (un)official alt.out-of-body Website Date: Mon, 27 Jul 1998 02:31:50 GMT Organization: Melbourne PC User Group Inc, Australia Lines: 29 Message-ID: <35bddb3c.12876217@news.melbpc.org.au> References: <35b385b6.0@katana.legend.co.uk> <6p12qj$ar5$1@news-1.news.gte.net> <35ba221a.6707483@news.melbpc.org.au> <35B5580D.1491CF8D@netconnect.com.au> <35B67E36.4455@arch.vuw.ac.nz> NNTP-Posting-Host: b2-47.melbpc.org.au Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Newsreader: Forte Agent 1.5/32.451 Path: ccw.ch!pfaff.ethz.ch!news-zh.switch.ch!news-ge.switch.ch!news.maxwell.syr.edu!news.mel.connect.com.au!news.melbpc.org.au!news2.melbpc.org.au!not-for-mail On Thu, 23 Jul 1998 12:05:10 +1200, djey wrote: >Craig wrote: >> [John wrote] >> > Sorry, but that's not my impression. When I usually get to a "framed" >> > web page I generally stay there a maximum of about 30 seconds. This >> Very nicely done though, I'd suggest keeping the design of the page, >> just not framed. :-) > Technically , the pages are not in frames but tables, so there >shouldn't be any difference in download time. It wasn't the download time that bothered me. It was readability. Reading things on a small monitor in 3 or 4 inch squares is irritating IMO. It is also less readable for people who have reached middle age or later. Regards, John. **************************************************** ,-._|\ John Fitzsimons - Melbourne, Australia. / Oz \ johnf@melbpc.org.au, Fidonet 3:632/309 \_,--.x/ http://www.vicnet.net.au/~johnf/welcome.htm v http://www.alphalink.com.au/~johnf/ ###### From: "Lars Rune Foleide" Newsgroups: alt.out-of-body References: <35b385b6.0@katana.legend.co.uk> <6p12qj$ar5$1@news-1.news.gte.net> <35ba221a.6707483@news.melbpc.org.au> <35B5580D.1491CF8D@netconnect.com.au> <35B67E36.4455@arch.vuw.ac.nz> <35bddb3c.12876217@news.melbpc.org.au> Subject: Re: New (un)official alt.out-of-body Website Date: Mon, 27 Jul 1998 06:58:54 +0200 Lines: 12 X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.3105.0 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.3105.0 NNTP-Posting-Host: t4o204p42.telia.com X-NNTP-Posting-Host: t4o204p42.telia.com Message-ID: <35bc0875.0@d2o204.telia.com> X-Complaints-To: abuse@telia.no Path: ccw.ch!pfaff.ethz.ch!news-zh.switch.ch!news.belnet.be!newspump.monmouth.com!newspeer.monmouth.com!newsfeed1.swip.net!swipnet!masternews.telia.net!newsfeed2.telia.com!d2o204.telia.com!t4o204p42.telia.com John Fitzsimons wrote in message >> Technically , the pages are not in frames but tables, so there >>shouldn't be any difference in download time. > I liked the frames better.... Lars