From: hawksmoor@dial.pipex.com (Julia Hawkes-Moore) Newsgroups: alt.out-of-body Subject: pastlives - some may not be human... Date: Fri, 03 Jul 1998 19:08:47 GMT Organization: UUNET UK server (post doesn't reflect views of UUNET UK) Lines: 115 Message-ID: <359d0a86.64750643@news.dial.pipex.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: userb117.uk.uudial.com X-Newsreader: Forte Free Agent 1.1/16.230 Path: ccw.ch!pfaff.ethz.ch!news-zh.switch.ch!naxos!news.belnet.be!newspump.monmouth.com!newspeer.monmouth.com!netnews.com!news.maxwell.syr.edu!rill.news.pipex.net!pipex!bore.news.pipex.net!pipex!not-for-mail Recently, I have been working on contacting my Guardian Angel when I am meditating, with a view to learning more about the OBE process amongst other things. Spirit guides are often dead relatives, usually dead people with a particular compassion for their subject. Some are totem animals. These are often referred to as 'guardian angels', yet my angel is an entirely disctinct non-human creature. Healers have seen my angel either standing beside me or hovering full length over me several times. I have met him perhaps half-a-dozen times so far. My angel is 8 feet tall, very thin, upright and serpent-like in his features. Oval, heavy-lidded eyes, narrow nose and wide flat mouth. He has long gold-white hair worn almost in matted 'dreadlocks' and wears a trailing cloak of shimmering black-and-green feathers. He is luminous, serene and very beautiful. I was startled to see a drawing and photos of several ancient sculptures of the same race as my angel in the fascinating book "Ashes of Eden", which studies the time before the Great Flood of Biblical and Sumerian records. The premise is that 'angels walked the earth in those days' . Well worth reading. When I asked my angel his name, he replied "G'Habriel" (a Hebrew sound to it) and when I couldn't pronounce it, he laughed and said "Oh, just call me Gabriel". My son is called Gabriel, and I call his name out about 100 times a day, so that makes sense! Several times, I have found myself and my angel occupying the same space inside and outside one another, if you see what I mean. This began when I was studying the aura around my hands, and realised that one of the auras was of the very large, long-fingered hands of my angel. I was puzzled by this, as I thought that a guardian angel must be as different an individual as a spirit guide is. Last night, I did a guided meditation which was about past-life regression, but which turned into something remarkably unusual. It certainly answered a lot of questions for me, and has generated others. I went down into the ground in a lift, which was a time machine. I set off downwards immediately, as I can now go into very deep meditation quickly. The tutor surprised me by counting backwards from 20 some time later, telling us to get off at the 'floor' we wanted. I had already reached level 54 (?) and I was told that each floor represented a century of human time. Therefore, I was now in a space 5,400 years BC = 7, 400 years ago. Before the pyramids, before Stonehenge, perhaps when the (lionheaded) Sphinx was first built. Human civilisation was in a period of apparent peace and prosperity, producing beautiful sculpture and paintings, and large and prosperous undefended towns and villages in the Middle East, particularly in Turkey. The last Ice Age was melting. I was in an underground city - I know that there are perhaps thirty of these (eg Derinkuyu) in a particular area of Turkey (Cappadocia), going at least 10 floors deep, the lowest ones unexplored as yet. The lower floors are much higher-ceilinged and better-finished than the upper. Sections are divided off by huge rolling 'wheels' of stone. Date and purpose unknown, but very ancient. As I entered this large, white-painted room, the floors were richly carpeted and many sacks, bags and containers of foodstuffs were stacked around the walls, as though the people were provisioned against a long siege. Light flooded out from large crystals lodged in niches around the walls. Arches and doorways opened off to a huge underground warren of rooms. There were many people, men, women and children in the room, talking and laughing, but still basically concerned and a little worried. They were all very tall and snake-faced, of the same race as my angel. Each one glowed with a gentle aura of different colours. A liitle girl ran up to me and jumped into my arms for a cuddle, glad to see me. I knew that she was my child - and that I was her father! One man spoke to me, and they all looked up at me. He asked "What is the weather like outside?" I thought this sounded a little silly, until 'myself' replied "Terrible. The storms are getting stronger, and the flood waters are rising." I realised why the viewpoint was strange, high in the air, as I was 'inside' my angel. I decided to 'take control' and asked several questions. As I did so, the people paid close attention, as though they could tell that my 'self' was different, and were waiting politely until I 'left' again to continue their more important conversation. I asked "How can I become well?" and they shrugged, saying "You are as you are. Live with that." I asked " How can I go OBE more often?" and they said "You will." I got several more noncommittal answers, and 'withdrew' from the front of my angel's mind (although not body.). Then 'I' hugged and kissed the child and put her down, to go back and act as a guard against the weather. I felt that I knew I would drown in the flood this time, but I accepted that. The people all wished me a fond farewell. As I turned to go my 'tutor' announced that I was to receive a gift. I opened my hands, and someone laid a long iridescent green and black feather in it. As I returned to the 'lift' I realised that this was one of the feathers from my Guardian angel's cloak, and that I had been in his life. The whole process took about twenty minutes. Questions remaining: So angels did live on the earth? They were obviously highly competent technologists and crystal workers. Were these the same people as the inhabitants of Atlantis? Were they naturally inhabitants of Earth or did they come from elsewhere? What happened to them after the Flood? They could have later appeared as faeries or elves, particularly the 'High Courts' of the Tuatha de Danaan. They certainly could appear as the 'classical' medieval angel. They could appear as 'aliens' in UFOology, and their caverns as spaceships. Are they still here? My angel is. Are they coming back in strength as the world philosophies change towards the millenium? I often wondered about the point of past life regression, as we seem to have forgotten so much between lives that we have so start to learn it all again. But this experience has changed my mind about that. If our guides are our selves (higher or lower) then if we can talk with them, we can instantly recall all their knowledge and add it to our own. Was this an OBE or an Astral Projection? I was fully awake, so there was no dreaming involved. I could hear the tutor's voice throughout. I was simultaneously inside my own body and inside my angel's body, and I was also my angel himself. It seemed as real and vivid (once I focused) as any other 'unreal' experience I had. It was certainly easier to go into than OBE! No conscious vibrations, although I may have been raising my own vibrations automatically as I meditated. The events and images all occurred deep within me, but were all surprising at first, although they quickly made sense to me. So is deep meditation the easiest pathway to the unexpected? Perhaps we should share more meditations? What do you think? All best wishes, Julia Hawkes-Moore. ###### From: "lucid" References: <359d0a86.64750643@news.dial.pipex.com> Subject: Re: pastlives - some may not be human... Date: Fri, 3 Jul 1998 20:39:28 -0700 Lines: 18 X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.2106.4 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.2106.4 Message-ID: Newsgroups: alt.out-of-body NNTP-Posting-Host: 1Cust194.tnt1.scl1.da.uu.net [153.34.29.194] Path: ccw.ch!pfaff.ethz.ch!news-zh.switch.ch!news-ge.switch.ch!news.maxwell.syr.edu!newsfeed.internetmci.com!207.68.152.14!upnetnews04!upnetnews03 ... that. If our guides are our selves (higher or lower) then if we can >talk with them, we can instantly recall all their knowledge and add it >to our own. I believe that we choose to forget cetain knowledge so that we can enjoy more of the earth experience. lucid ###### From: J L Williams Newsgroups: alt.out-of-body Subject: Re: pastlives - some may not be human... Date: Fri, 3 Jul 1998 21:54:59 +0100 Message-ID: <1998070321545975767@zetnet.co.uk> References: <359d0a86.64750643@news.dial.pipex.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: user-10003900.zetnet.co.uk X-Mailer: ZIMACS Version 1.20c 10003900 Lines: 31 Path: ccw.ch!pfaff.ethz.ch!news-zh.switch.ch!news-ge.switch.ch!enews.sgi.com!news.idt.net!cpk-news-hub1.bbnplanet.com!news.bbnplanet.com!news-peer.gip.net!news-lond.gip.net!news.gsl.net!gip.net!dispose.news.demon.net!demon!peer.news.zetnet.net!zetnet.co.uk!user-10003900.zetnet.co.uk!not-for-mail The message <359d0a86.64750643@news.dial.pipex.com> from hawksmoor@dial.pipex.com (Julia Hawkes-Moore) contains these words: > Recently, I have been working on contacting my Guardian Angel when > I am meditating, with a view to learning more about the OBE process > amongst other things. . The > events and images all occurred deep within me, but were all surprising > at first, although they quickly made sense to me. > So is deep meditation the easiest pathway to the unexpected? > Perhaps we should share more meditations? > What do you think? > All best wishes, Julia Hawkes-Moore. This was fascinating. Could this followed by covering each floor/level? Does you experience align with known history at that time? How long has it taken to get to this degree of control over the experience? I am trying to cover years in a few weeks here by reading as much as possible but the local library is having difficulties obtaining the books I need. Oh your book arrived today Julia, many thanks but will have to put it on the back burner for a few days. I have reached a busy peak period for me heh heh. Early retirement ? I don't know how I found time to go to work. Pleasant radiations Jim ###### From: Rainbowbird Newsgroups: alt.out-of-body Subject: Re: pastlives - some may not be human... Date: Sat, 04 Jul 1998 02:24:32 +0200 Organization: A2000 Kabeltelevisie & Telecommunicatie Lines: 10 Message-ID: <359D7640.8917456C@cable.A2000.nl> References: <359d0a86.64750643@news.dial.pipex.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: node14af.a2000.nl Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.04 [en] (Win95; I) Path: ccw.ch!pfaff.ethz.ch!news-zh.switch.ch!naxos!news.belnet.be!newsgate.cistron.nl!het.net!pascal.a2000.nl!not-for-mail > So is deep meditation the easiest pathway to the unexpected? > Perhaps we should share more meditations? > What do you think? > All best wishes, Julia Hawkes-Moore. I call this steps into shamanistic journeys. The vividness en correctness of those experiences keep surprising me. Information is just there, so easy to get. If we focus. Rainbowbird ###### From: hawksmoor@dial.pipex.com (Julia Hawkes-Moore) Newsgroups: alt.out-of-body Subject: Re: pastlives - some may not be human... Date: Sat, 04 Jul 1998 08:31:58 GMT Organization: UUNET UK server (post doesn't reflect views of UUNET UK) Lines: 40 Message-ID: <359de640.971952@news.dial.pipex.com> References: <359d0a86.64750643@news.dial.pipex.com> <1998070321545975767@zetnet.co.uk> NNTP-Posting-Host: userm514.uk.uudial.com X-Newsreader: Forte Free Agent 1.1/16.230 Path: ccw.ch!pfaff.ethz.ch!news-zh.switch.ch!naxos!news.belnet.be!newspump.monmouth.com!newspeer.monmouth.com!btnet-peer!btnet!nntp.news.xara.net!xara.net!rill.news.pipex.net!pipex!bore.news.pipex.net!pipex!not-for-mail J L Williams wrote: >This was fascinating. Could this followed by covering each >floor/level? It certainly could do. An interesting project... Does you experience align with known history at that >time? I am reading several books about prehistory at the moment, plus the 'Ashes of Eden' book I mentioned (can't remember the author) and yes, it does all fit. The light crystals were new, though I have read theory that Atlantis was powered (and destroyed) by crystal energy. How long has it taken to get to this degree of control over the >experience? Um... 20 minutes? Or six months of meditating twice or three times a day? Or 37 years of lucid dreaming? I think any one can do it, and it is probably the depth of relaxation which is the key. Learn to relax your body until your spine is completely flat on the floor, and you can't feel your body, and off you go! I am trying to cover years in a few weeks here by reading >as much as possible but the local library is having difficulties >obtaining the books I need. Oops! I have them all. So it's you that keeps requesting the books from Essex libraries that I'm half-way through, is it? Well, you can have them as soon as I finish! > >Oh your book arrived today Julia, many thanks but will have to put it >on the back burner for a few days. I have reached a busy peak period >for me heh heh. Early retirement ? I don't know how I found time to go to work. >Pleasant radiations >Jim > I don't understand how anyone gets time to go to work. All best wishes, Julia Hawkes-Moore. ###### Path: ccw.ch!usenet From: Neil Franklin Newsgroups: alt.out-of-body Subject: Re: pastlives - some may not be human... Date: 04 Jul 1998 17:40:43 +0200 Organization: My own Private Self Lines: 56 Message-ID: References: <359d0a86.64750643@news.dial.pipex.com> X-Newsreader: Gnus v5.3/Emacs 19.34 hawksmoor@dial.pipex.com (Julia Hawkes-Moore) writes: > Several times, I have found myself and my angel occupying the same > space inside and outside one another, if you see what I mean. This > I went down into the ground in a lift, which was a time machine. I > There were many people, men, women and children in the room, > talking and laughing, but still basically concerned and a little > worried. They were all very tall and snake-faced, of the same race as > my angel. Each one glowed with a gentle aura of different colours. A > liitle girl ran up to me and jumped into my arms for a cuddle, glad to > see me. I knew that she was my child - and that I was her father! > Questions remaining: > So angels did live on the earth? They were obviously highly > competent technologists and crystal workers. Were these the same > people as the inhabitants of Atlantis? Were they naturally inhabitants > of Earth or did they come from elsewhere? What happened to them after > the Flood? They could have later appeared as faeries or elves, > particularly the 'High Courts' of the Tuatha de Danaan. They certainly > could appear as the 'classical' medieval angel. They could appear as > 'aliens' in UFOology, and their caverns as spaceships. Are they still > here? My angel is. Are they coming back in strength as the world > philosophies change towards the millenium? May I suggest as an answer an book? That would be: Seth Speaks - On the Eternal Validity of the Soul, by Jane Roberts*. I think that may andwer all them questions and a few more. *actually dictated via her (she was an trance medium) by Seth, an spirit. > Was this an OBE or an Astral Projection? I was fully awake, so there I would say clairvoyance, but in time, not just in space. Most people think of seeing the future when hearing of that, but the past ist just as valid. > So is deep meditation the easiest pathway to the unexpected? > Perhaps we should share more meditations? > What do you think? To my limited knowledge of meditation, most OBE techniques I have read of sound like simple forms of meditation. So meditation may well be simply an powerfull (and so a lot of work to learn OBM technique), of course with the corresponding returns for the work. -- private: Neil.Franklin@ccw.ch.remove http://www.ccw.ch/Neil.Franklin/ office: franklin@arch.ethz.ch.remove http://caad.arch.ethz.ch/~franklin/ WinCE car, crashing soon on a road near you ###### From: "Lars Rune Foleide" Newsgroups: alt.out-of-body References: <359d0a86.64750643@news.dial.pipex.com> Subject: Re: pastlives - some may not be human... Date: Sat, 4 Jul 1998 20:12:23 +0200 Lines: 75 X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.3105.0 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.3105.0 NNTP-Posting-Host: t4o204p1.telia.com X-NNTP-Posting-Host: t4o204p1.telia.com Message-ID: <359e7032.0@d2o204.telia.com> X-Complaints-To: abuse@telia.no Path: ccw.ch!pfaff.ethz.ch!news-zh.switch.ch!ubnnews.unisource.ch!news-nyc.telia.net!masternews.telia.net!newsfeed50.telia.com!d2o204.telia.com!t4o204p1.telia.com Neil Franklin wrote in message ... >Seth Speaks - On the Eternal Validity of the Soul, by Jane Roberts*. > >I think that may andwer all them questions and a few more. > >*actually dictated via her (she was an trance medium) by Seth, an spirit. > Really? So Seth is dead, but he can still publish books through Jane? I saw a thick book by Jane down at the book shop a few days ago. Turned a few pages and concluded that it was interesting, but that I don't have time to read it with my current reading speed. My purpose for going to the book shop was to order the book about hypnosis written by Paul McKenna titled "Hypnosis". I turned a few pages in it down in Bergen, and found a chapter about recognition. To my surprise did in not only discuss past life recognition, but also future life recognition. Something I have never heard of before, so I decided to buy the book. So people can't just discover their past lives with hypnosis, but also their future lives. Do anyone here have more info about FLR? I have the last few weeks realized that it is possible to travel into the future. This have made me think a bit about all the possibilities. It may be difficult, but I believe that it is possible. And when something is possible, then you might get pretty good at it too. I'm planing to get quite good at it, by using my dreams. I can remember as most people do to have precognitive dreams when I was a child. I didn't have long precognitive dreams, just those that last a couple of seconds. But I remember being filled with this feeling that this has happened before. So I know it is possible and you might get quite good at it. Just look at Ian Wilson, this who how he started doing this. He had a couple precognitive dreams that the age of 15-16, but as with me didn't they stop. They just got stronger and longer, until he couldn't dismiss them anymore. He then started to investigate them, and found out that he can travel in time in a lucid dream. He has gained control over his experiences, that is what I'm planing to do too. I will travel into the future and dig up information that might make the world a better place to live. Creating this world into a living paradise, finding the key to unlimited energy and stuff like that. It can all be found in the future, just finding out what I will figure out in the future will be exciting enough. But it is also possible to travel in the future, it doesn't have to be future as I experience it, I can travel to research institutes and find out what breakthroughs they will discover in the future, and the persons involved will be credited even before they make the discovery. Cool eh? By download revolutionary info from the future may I revolutionize this world. But first do I need to have Lucid dreams frequently. I know how to dream a lot, the key is now only to be aware that I'm dreaming. Steven LaBerge did it, so can I. Cheers, Lars ###### From: johnf@melbpc.org.au (John Fitzsimons) Newsgroups: alt.out-of-body Subject: Re: pastlives - some may not be human... Date: Sat, 04 Jul 1998 23:50:11 GMT Organization: Melbourne PC User Group Inc, Australia Lines: 63 Message-ID: <359eb8bb.4366494@news.melbpc.org.au> References: <359d0a86.64750643@news.dial.pipex.com> <359e7032.0@d2o204.telia.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: b2-54.melbpc.org.au Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Newsreader: Forte Agent 1.5/32.451 Path: ccw.ch!pfaff.ethz.ch!news-zh.switch.ch!news-ge.switch.ch!enews.sgi.com!logbridge.uoregon.edu!su-news-hub1.bbnplanet.com!la-news-feed1.bbnplanet.com!news.bbnplanet.com!newsfeed1.earthlink.net!newsfeed.concentric.net!news.mel.aone.net.au!newsfeed-in.aone.net.au!news.mel.connect.com.au!news.melbpc.org.au!news2.melbpc.org.au!not-for-mail On Sat, 4 Jul 1998 20:12:23 +0200, "Lars Rune Foleide" wrote: >Neil Franklin wrote in message ... >>Seth Speaks - On the Eternal Validity of the Soul, by Jane Roberts*. < snip > >Really? So Seth is dead, but he can still publish books through Jane? Jane is now dead as well. Fortunately a number of the "Seth" books are still in print. There is also a number of sites that deal with the Seth material. One of them is off one of my vicnet pages. < snip > >So people can't just discover their past lives with hypnosis, but also their >future lives. >Do anyone here have more info about FLR? Some books you might find interesting are ; "Past Lives Future Lives" by Dr. Bruce Goldberg. I.S.B.N. 0-87877-059-3 Newcastle Publishing Co. another which I think also mentioned FLR was "Past Lives Future Loves" by Dick Sutphen. I.S.B.N. 0-671-83485-1-250 Pocket Books. Helen Wambach also wrote a book about regressions into the future. These are books that were published years ago so will probably only be available in a good library. < snip > >I will travel into the future and dig up information that might make the >world a better place to live. < snip > Which "future" do you mean ? Do you mean future lives that you have lived in the past ? Future lives you are currently living in parallel ? Or future lives you will live in the future ? If the latter then which do you prefer ? Future "possible" lives or future "probable" lives ? Why do you restrict yourself to only "your" future and/or "Earth's" future ? Many of Earth's problems have been resolved and the solutions are being manifest on other planets. What's wrong with getting answers from the spirit world ? Many of the great discoveries on this planet have been sourced from there. That might give you a little more to think about. :-) Regards, John. **************************************************** ,-._|\ John Fitzsimons - Melbourne, Australia. / Oz \ johnf@melbpc.org.au, Fidonet 3:632/309 \_,--.x/ http://www.vicnet.net.au/~johnf/welcome.htm v http://www.alphalink.com.au/~johnf/ ###### From: Ankh Newsgroups: alt.out-of-body Subject: Re: pastlives - some may not be human... Date: Sun, 05 Jul 1998 11:52:11 +0200 Organization: Ankh Lines: 16 Message-ID: <359F4CCA.6F666038@infonie.fr> References: <359d0a86.64750643@news.dial.pipex.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: 10.1.5.3 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.04 [en] (Win95; I) Cache-Post-Path: si1-paris!unknown@195.242.107.66 Path: ccw.ch!pfaff.ethz.ch!news-zh.switch.ch!news-ge.switch.ch!news.maxwell.syr.edu!newspeer.monmouth.com!rain.fr!infonie.fr!not-for-mail Thank you for your beautiful experience. Personnally, I think that the guardian Angel is part of yourself (your "self"). When you encounter your Angel, you just bring to your conscience things that normally stay unconscious. Your Angel is the part of yourself that knows everything about you, your past and your future, your actions and thoughts.Contacting your Angel means that you enlarge your mind to multiple facets of yourself. And that's why the Angel can guide you in your present life, by understanding your own past and future experiences. Tell me what do you think about this. May the Light be with you, Ankh. ###### From: Ankh Newsgroups: alt.out-of-body Subject: Re: pastlives - some may not be human... Date: Sun, 05 Jul 1998 11:54:01 +0200 Organization: Ankh Lines: 20 Message-ID: <359F4D38.94AB8409@infonie.fr> References: <359d0a86.64750643@news.dial.pipex.com> <359e7032.0@d2o204.telia.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: 10.1.5.3 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.04 [en] (Win95; I) Cache-Post-Path: si1-paris!unknown@195.242.107.66 Path: ccw.ch!pfaff.ethz.ch!news-zh.switch.ch!news-ge.switch.ch!news.maxwell.syr.edu!news-peer.gip.net!news-raspail.gip.net!news.gsl.net!gip.net!rain.fr!infonie.fr!not-for-mail Hello, I read your message about learning our future lives, and this brings to my mind these thoughts : - Do you really think you're able to learn about something that did'nt happen yet ? and invent something that's not yet invented ? This is a Paradox ;-) - Don't you think it's more efficient to behave in the physical world ? Today's made of the past and the present makes the future. I personnaly think that experiences must first be lived, before they can be seen in the Akasha (whole world experiences). Acting is more efficient than dreaming or thinking. May the Light be with you, Ankh. ###### From: hawksmoor@dial.pipex.com (Julia Hawkes-Moore) Newsgroups: alt.out-of-body Subject: Re: pastlives - some may not be human... Date: Sun, 05 Jul 1998 18:50:51 GMT Organization: UUNET UK server (post doesn't reflect views of UUNET UK) Lines: 17 Message-ID: <359fca30.2971607@news.dial.pipex.com> References: <359d0a86.64750643@news.dial.pipex.com> <359F4CCA.6F666038@infonie.fr> NNTP-Posting-Host: userh388.uk.uudial.com X-Newsreader: Forte Free Agent 1.1/16.230 Path: ccw.ch!pfaff.ethz.ch!news-zh.switch.ch!news-ge.switch.ch!news-fra1.dfn.de!news-fra.maz.net!news-lond.gip.net!news.gsl.net!gip.net!rill.news.pipex.net!pipex!bore.news.pipex.net!pipex!not-for-mail Ankh wrote: >Thank you for your beautiful experience. >>Personnally, I think that the guardian Angel is part of yourself (your "self"). >When you encounter your Angel, you just bring to your conscience things that >normally stay unconscious. Your Angel is the part of yourself that knows >everything about you, your past and your future, your actions and >thoughts.Contacting your Angel means that you enlarge your mind to multiple >facets of yourself. And that's why the Angel can guide you in your present life, >by understanding your own past and future experiences. > Yes, that is a pretty fair summary of my post, I think! The more I discover about high-level channelling, the more plausible it becomes. I have read several of the Seth books, and I have recently attended channelling sessions. I am considering a course in 'Opening to Channel' - which was one of the questions I asked the angels in the room. They agreed it would be a sensible next step. All best wishes, Julia Hawkes-Moore ###### From: "Lars Rune Foleide" Newsgroups: alt.out-of-body References: <359d0a86.64750643@news.dial.pipex.com> <359e7032.0@d2o204.telia.com> <359eb8bb.4366494@news.melbpc.org.au> Subject: Re: pastlives - some may not be human... Date: Sun, 5 Jul 1998 21:35:34 +0200 Lines: 53 X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.3105.0 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.3105.0 NNTP-Posting-Host: t8o204p36.telia.com X-NNTP-Posting-Host: t8o204p36.telia.com Message-ID: <359fd510.0@d2o204.telia.com> X-Complaints-To: abuse@telia.no Path: ccw.ch!pfaff.ethz.ch!news-zh.switch.ch!news-ge.switch.ch!news-fra1.dfn.de!news-fra.maz.net!newsfeed1.swip.net!swipnet!masternews.telia.net!newsfeed50.telia.com!d2o204.telia.com!t8o204p36.telia.com John Fitzsimons wrote in message <359eb8bb.4366494@news.melbpc.org.au>... >Some books you might find interesting are ; > >"Past Lives Future Lives" by Dr. Bruce Goldberg. I.S.B.N. >0-87877-059-3 Newcastle Publishing Co. > >another which I think also mentioned FLR was "Past Lives Future Loves" >by Dick Sutphen. I.S.B.N. 0-671-83485-1-250 Pocket Books. > >Helen Wambach also wrote a book about regressions into the future. > >These are books that were published years ago so will probably only be >available in a good library. > Thanks for the recommendations... I can always make the library order a few books :) > >Which "future" do you mean ? Do you mean future lives that you >have lived in the past ? Future lives you are currently living in >parallel ? Or future lives you will live in the future ? If the latter >then which do you prefer ? Future "possible" lives or future >"probable" lives ? > Hmm... Well, as far as digging up research information done in the future do I see that I have many options. As long as the future I take a look into has the info that this world currently haven't discovered, then I'll be satisfied. > >Why do you restrict yourself to only "your" future and/or "Earth's" >future ? Many of Earth's problems have been resolved and the solutions >are being manifest on other planets. What's wrong with getting answers >from the spirit world ? Many of the great discoveries on this planet >have been sourced from there. > I guess that many good ideas can be found on other planets, so I guess that I will do some Out of Body flying to a nearby planet and check out how they have solved their problems. Maybe I will have a few chats with some spiritual aliens. But could you mention a few discoveries found on the spiritual world? Cheers, Lars ###### From: mpfc@hotmail.com (Steve) Newsgroups: alt.out-of-body Subject: Re: pastlives - some may not be human... Date: Mon, 06 Jul 1998 03:55:04 GMT Message-ID: <35a04a94.35361665@n3.idirect.com> References: <359d0a86.64750643@news.dial.pipex.com> X-Newsreader: Forte Free Agent 1.11/32.235 NNTP-Posting-Host: glimpsenet28.idirect.com X-Trace: 6 Jul 1998 04:03:43 GMT, glimpsenet28.idirect.com Organization: "Usenet User" Lines: 70 Path: ccw.ch!pfaff.ethz.ch!news-zh.switch.ch!news.belnet.be!newspump.monmouth.com!newspeer.monmouth.com!newsfeed.direct.ca!island.idirect.com!epsilon!nemo.idirect.com!glimpsenet28.idirect.com On 04 Jul 1998 17:40:43 +0200, Neil Franklin wrote: >hawksmoor@dial.pipex.com (Julia Hawkes-Moore) writes: > >> Several times, I have found myself and my angel occupying the same >> space inside and outside one another, if you see what I mean. This > >> I went down into the ground in a lift, which was a time machine. I > >> There were many people, men, women and children in the room, >> talking and laughing, but still basically concerned and a little >> worried. They were all very tall and snake-faced, of the same race as >> my angel. Each one glowed with a gentle aura of different colours. A >> liitle girl ran up to me and jumped into my arms for a cuddle, glad to >> see me. I knew that she was my child - and that I was her father! > >> Questions remaining: >> So angels did live on the earth? They were obviously highly >> competent technologists and crystal workers. Were these the same >> people as the inhabitants of Atlantis? Were they naturally inhabitants >> of Earth or did they come from elsewhere? What happened to them after >> the Flood? They could have later appeared as faeries or elves, >> particularly the 'High Courts' of the Tuatha de Danaan. They certainly >> could appear as the 'classical' medieval angel. They could appear as >> 'aliens' in UFOology, and their caverns as spaceships. Are they still >> here? My angel is. Are they coming back in strength as the world >> philosophies change towards the millenium? > >May I suggest as an answer an book? That would be: > >Seth Speaks - On the Eternal Validity of the Soul, by Jane Roberts*. > >I think that may andwer all them questions and a few more. > >*actually dictated via her (she was an trance medium) by Seth, an spirit. > > >> Was this an OBE or an Astral Projection? I was fully awake, so there > >I would say clairvoyance, but in time, not just in space. Most people >think of seeing the future when hearing of that, but the past ist just >as valid. > > >> So is deep meditation the easiest pathway to the unexpected? >> Perhaps we should share more meditations? >> What do you think? > >To my limited knowledge of meditation, most OBE techniques I have read >of sound like simple forms of meditation. So meditation may well be >simply an powerfull (and so a lot of work to learn OBM technique), of >course with the corresponding returns for the work. > > >-- >private: Neil.Franklin@ccw.ch.remove http://www.ccw.ch/Neil.Franklin/ >office: franklin@arch.ethz.ch.remove http://caad.arch.ethz.ch/~franklin/ >WinCE car, crashing soon on a road near you Oh my {insert name of prefered deity here}!!! I was going to suggest the same thing... that is .. reading "Seth Speaks"... in it are described an ancient race of humans known as the Lumanians who just by happenstance dwelt in caverns such as the one Julia mentioned.. anyways.. check the book out.. its very good and would go a long way towards explaining the concept that we create our own reality. Cheers, Steve ###### From: "Shane" Newsgroups: alt.out-of-body References: <359d0a86.64750643@news.dial.pipex.com> <359e7032.0@d2o204.telia.com> <359F4D38.94AB8409@infonie.fr> Subject: Re: pastlives - some may not be human... Date: Mon, 6 Jul 1998 20:37:27 +1000 Lines: 62 X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.3110.1 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.3110.3 NNTP-Posting-Host: 139.134.64.4 Message-ID: <35a0aa48.0@139.134.5.33> Path: ccw.ch!pfaff.ethz.ch!news-zh.switch.ch!ubnnews.unisource.ch!news-nyc.telia.net!news.idt.net!newsfeed.internetmci.com!139.130.250.2!intgwpad.nntp.telstra.net!nsw.nntp.telstra.net!139.134.5.33!139.134.64.4 Ankh wrote in message <359F4D38.94AB8409@infonie.fr>... >- Do you really think you're able to learn about something that >did'nt happen yet ? and invent something that's not yet invented ? >This is a Paradox ;-) - Don't you think it's more efficient to behave >in the physical world? Today's made of the past and the present makes >the future. >I personnaly think that experiences must first be lived, before they >can be seen in the Akasha (whole world experiences). Acting is more >efficient than dreaming or thinking. That's true if it's a concrete, locked in future being seen. But if you consider "probable" futures, then that's a different story. If one's entire future was predetermined then there would be no point in life, as we'd be nothing more than automatons faithfully acting out an already written script. However, if you look at cause and effect, certain things that will occur in the future may be highly probable based on all that's happened beforehand. Psychics are never 100% accurate and this may be because clairvoyant experiences are only looking into the "probable" future. This probable future may be altered if you know where current events are leading. As you get closer and closer to the event, it becomes more and more probable. If you're looking 100 years into the future, then anything could happen in the interim to alter the predicted event - the probability of that future is relatively low compared to looking a day into the future. When someone predicts something like the Challenger explosion, the chain of events that leads up to the event is already in place at the time of the prediction. As we all know, Challenger exploded due to a faulty O ring. Let's say someone predicted the explosion a week prior to the event. The O ring would have already been manufactured (with its fault) and installed in the Challenger (an accident waiting to happen). A week prior to the explosion, there was a high probability that the explosion would occur but it wasn't locked in - there was still time to detect the faulty O ring. However, as the countdown got closer and closer without the faulty O ring being detected, the probability of the explosion got higher and higher. The probability of the explosion was not 100% until liftoff - at any time before then, it could have been detected, making all of those predictions inaccurate. However, it wasn't detected and the predictions of the Challenger explosion proved 100% accurate. My theory is that things like clairvoyance and precognition are not looking into *the* future but merely looking into the *probable* future. Everything that happens has a chain of events (the domino effect) leading up to it that causes that thing to happen. So, if you can tune into the path leading up to an event, you can predict the event. The accuracy of a prediction depends on which point along the "future path" the person tunes into (and, of course, the ability of the person to tune into this "future path"). The predicted future can only be altered if something different happens along the "future path" to that which was tuned into at the time of the prediction. Shane ###### Path: ccw.ch!usenet From: Neil Franklin Newsgroups: alt.out-of-body Subject: Re: pastlives - some may not be human... Date: 06 Jul 1998 23:22:59 +0200 Organization: My own Private Self Lines: 89 Message-ID: References: <359d0a86.64750643@news.dial.pipex.com> <359e7032.0@d2o204.telia.com> <359F4D38.94AB8409@infonie.fr> <35a0aa48.0@139.134.5.33> X-Newsreader: Gnus v5.3/Emacs 19.34 "Shane" writes: > > Ankh wrote in message <359F4D38.94AB8409@infonie.fr>... > > >- Do you really think you're able to learn about something that > >did'nt happen yet ? and invent something that's not yet invented ? > >This is a Paradox ;-) - Don't you think it's more efficient to behave > >in the physical world? Today's made of the past and the present makes > >the future. > >I personnaly think that experiences must first be lived, before they > >can be seen in the Akasha (whole world experiences). Acting is more > >efficient than dreaming or thinking. > > That's true if it's a concrete, locked in future being seen. But if > you consider "probable" futures, then that's a different story. A good reply. And one that even has current science on its side (!). Namely the quantum physics notion of "collapsing the wave function". This is based on the idea that the future position of any particle is "spread" over entire space, just with it being more likely in some places. Only actual interaction with concious actually "fixes" it into an definite place. And so turns probability into certainty. No. don't ask my how that works, or how the physicists justify this belief. I just have heard it often enough that it must be what they believe. > Psychics are never 100% > accurate and this may be because clairvoyant experiences are only > looking into the "probable" future. But they are also not 100% on present or past so that may not be the reason. > you're looking 100 years into the future, then anything could happen > in the interim to alter the predicted event - the probability of that > future is relatively low compared to looking a day into the future. That sure. > As we all know, Challenger exploded due to a > faulty O ring. Error. An maldesigned construction involving an O-ring. The construction had an minimal operating temperature under which the O-ring lost its abilities it was intended for. NASA flew despite the temperature being 10-15F below the minimum stated in the operation manual. I have this from an book written by one of the accident investigators (the one who proved that the O-ring fails when to cold (it ceases to be elastic)). > Let's say someone predicted the explosion a week prior > to the event. The O ring would have already been manufactured (with > its fault) and installed in the Challenger (an accident waiting to > happen). The weakness of the design was known years before it cropping up. Like in Chernobyl the "solution" was to forbid some types of operation. Then someone ignores the manual. Bang. This is known as "human error" among accident researchers. > A week prior to the explosion, there was a high probability > that the explosion would occur but it wasn't locked in - there was > still time to detect the faulty O ring. Your example can be saved if you replace that with - there was still time for warmer weather to develop. > My theory is that things like clairvoyance and precognition are not > looking into *the* future but merely looking into the *probable* > future. I side with you on that one. -- private: Neil.Franklin@ccw.ch.remove http://www.ccw.ch/Neil.Franklin/ office: franklin@arch.ethz.ch.remove http://caad.arch.ethz.ch/~franklin/ WinCE car, crashing soon on a road near you ###### From: mgneff@my-dejanews.com Newsgroups: alt.out-of-body Subject: Re: pastlives - some may not be human... Date: Wed, 08 Jul 1998 13:38:41 GMT Organization: Deja News - The Leader in Internet Discussion Lines: 95 Message-ID: <6nvsp1$r1q$1@nnrp1.dejanews.com> References: <359d0a86.64750643@news.dial.pipex.com> <35a04a94.35361665@n3.idirect.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: 130.38.163.237 X-Article-Creation-Date: Wed Jul 08 13:38:41 1998 GMT X-Http-User-Agent: Mozilla/4.05 [en]C-Boeing STL (Win95; I) Path: ccw.ch!pfaff.ethz.ch!news-zh.switch.ch!news-ge.switch.ch!news.maxwell.syr.edu!nntp2.dejanews.com!nnrp1.dejanews.com!not-for-mail Interesting, when I read Julia's experience I also immediately thought of the Lumanians described by Seth. For the Seth reader's of the group, if you recall, Seth described a complex art form that the Lumanians had in which images would contain complex line patterns that the Lumanians could 'hear' as sound (some people today have this sensory-crossover effect). There is an interesting web page at: http://www.geocities.com/CapeCanaveral/Lab/5586/index.html That has illustrations of 'mysterious' ancient (older than 14,000 years) cave paintings of complex, interlocking imagery with strange line patterns woven in. If you read the description of the Lumanian art form in Seth Speaks while examining the illustrations linked to this page, it'll give ya goosebumps! Cheers, - Mike In article <35a04a94.35361665@n3.idirect.com>, mpfc@hotmail.com (Steve) wrote: > > On 04 Jul 1998 17:40:43 +0200, Neil Franklin > wrote: > > >hawksmoor@dial.pipex.com (Julia Hawkes-Moore) writes: > > > >> Several times, I have found myself and my angel occupying the same > >> space inside and outside one another, if you see what I mean. This > > > >> I went down into the ground in a lift, which was a time machine. I > > > >> There were many people, men, women and children in the room, > >> talking and laughing, but still basically concerned and a little > >> worried. They were all very tall and snake-faced, of the same race as > >> my angel. Each one glowed with a gentle aura of different colours. A > >> liitle girl ran up to me and jumped into my arms for a cuddle, glad to > >> see me. I knew that she was my child - and that I was her father! > > > >> Questions remaining: > >> So angels did live on the earth? They were obviously highly > >> competent technologists and crystal workers. Were these the same > >> people as the inhabitants of Atlantis? Were they naturally inhabitants > >> of Earth or did they come from elsewhere? What happened to them after > >> the Flood? They could have later appeared as faeries or elves, > >> particularly the 'High Courts' of the Tuatha de Danaan. They certainly > >> could appear as the 'classical' medieval angel. They could appear as > >> 'aliens' in UFOology, and their caverns as spaceships. Are they still > >> here? My angel is. Are they coming back in strength as the world > >> philosophies change towards the millenium? > > > >May I suggest as an answer an book? That would be: > > > >Seth Speaks - On the Eternal Validity of the Soul, by Jane Roberts*. > > > >I think that may andwer all them questions and a few more. > > > >*actually dictated via her (she was an trance medium) by Seth, an spirit. > > > > > >> Was this an OBE or an Astral Projection? I was fully awake, so there > > > >I would say clairvoyance, but in time, not just in space. Most people > >think of seeing the future when hearing of that, but the past ist just > >as valid. > > > > > >> So is deep meditation the easiest pathway to the unexpected? > >> Perhaps we should share more meditations? > >> What do you think? > > > >To my limited knowledge of meditation, most OBE techniques I have read > >of sound like simple forms of meditation. So meditation may well be > >simply an powerfull (and so a lot of work to learn OBM technique), of > >course with the corresponding returns for the work. > > > > > >-- > >private: Neil.Franklin@ccw.ch.remove http://www.ccw.ch/Neil.Franklin/ > >office: franklin@arch.ethz.ch.remove http://caad.arch.ethz.ch/~franklin/ > >WinCE car, crashing soon on a road near you > > Oh my {insert name of prefered deity here}!!! I was going to suggest > the same thing... that is .. reading "Seth Speaks"... in it are > described an ancient race of humans known as the Lumanians who just by > happenstance dwelt in caverns such as the one Julia mentioned.. > anyways.. check the book out.. its very good and would go a long way > towards explaining the concept that we create our own reality. > > Cheers, > > Steve > -----== Posted via Deja News, The Leader in Internet Discussion ==----- http://www.dejanews.com/rg_mkgrp.xp Create Your Own Free Member Forum ###### From: mpfc@hotmail.com (Steve) Newsgroups: alt.out-of-body Subject: Re: pastlives - some may not be human... Date: Wed, 08 Jul 1998 23:31:17 GMT Message-ID: <35a4011e.6416756@n3.idirect.com> References: <359d0a86.64750643@news.dial.pipex.com> <359e7032.0@d2o204.telia.com> <359F4D38.94AB8409@infonie.fr> X-Newsreader: Forte Free Agent 1.11/32.235 NNTP-Posting-Host: fatenet7.idirect.com X-Trace: 8 Jul 1998 23:40:05 GMT, fatenet7.idirect.com Organization: "Usenet User" Lines: 28 Path: ccw.ch!pfaff.ethz.ch!news-zh.switch.ch!news-ge.switch.ch!enews.sgi.com!news.idt.net!news-nyc.telia.net!howland.erols.net!newshub.northeast.verio.net!ptdnetP!newsgate.ptd.net!cyclone.mbnet.mb.ca!island.idirect.com!epsilon!nemo.idirect.com!fatenet7.idirect.com On Sun, 05 Jul 1998 11:54:01 +0200, Ankh wrote: >Hello, > >I read your message about learning our future lives, and this brings to my mind >these thoughts : > >- Do you really think you're able to learn about something that did'nt happen >yet ? >and invent something that's not yet invented ? This is a Paradox ;-) > >- Don't you think it's more efficient to behave in the physical world ? >Today's made of the past and the present makes the future. > >I personnaly think that experiences must first be lived, before they can be seen >in the Akasha (whole world experiences). >Acting is more efficient than dreaming or thinking. > >May the Light be with you, >Ankh. > > Perhaps without dreaming or thinking there would be nothing to act with.... Regards, Steve