From: heather619@aol.com (Heather619) Newsgroups: alt.out-of-body Subject: Okay here's my experience..... Lines: 58 Message-ID: <1998070106343600.CAA11663@ladder03.news.aol.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: ladder03.news.aol.com X-Admin: news@aol.com Date: 1 Jul 1998 06:34:36 GMT Organization: AOL http://www.aol.com Path: ccw.ch!pfaff.ethz.ch!news-zh.switch.ch!naxos!news.belnet.be!newspump.monmouth.com!newspeer.monmouth.com!newsfeed.internetmci.com!152.163.199.19!portc03.blue.aol.com!audrey03.news.aol.com!not-for-mail Now remember - you PROMISED not to laugh!! :-) I even admit myself that parts of this are unbelievable and ludicrous, but it happend nonetheless... One night I was projecting (on purpose) & it was during this so called "Dead Season" that I just mentioned in a prior post, everything was going smoothly until all of a sudden when I was just hovering above my body I felt the oddest sensation in the room, it was very oppressive & most unpleasant. I began to get a little nervous but continued with trying to "get out" through my window over the yard, then it felt like something (what I do not know) "pushed" me back down onto the bed on top of my physical body, but I didn't feel like I was united with my body. It was as if "we" were together (occupying the same space on the bed) but not meshed like normal (if that makes any sense). I also could feel something "clawing at my stomach even though I had a 2 piece pajama set on, it was as if it was trying to get "inside" of me. Anyway, every time I tried to get up this "thing" forced me back down onto the bed, at this point I felt as if I couldn't breathe because this thing was on top of me, holding me down so that I was paralyzed. No matter how hard I struggled to move (or how hard I struggled to get "back in" my body) all my efforts were futile - this thing would not budge. I had a few candles in the room so that it wouldn't be completely dark, one of the tapered ones (I still remember it was a green one) suddenly went out even though the rest around it stayed lit & there was no breeze in the room, I was then literally "hurled" out of my bed over to the dresser and something lifted my arm (I swear I could see the indentation of "fingerprints" in my flesh where it was grabbing me), then this thing put my hand to the candle, had me pick it up & then proceeded to hurl me back to the bed with such a force I thought for sure I had broken a rib even though I was aware that this was not my physical self. Now comes the embarrassing part, ugh I can't believe I'm telling this, anyway my arms were pinned to the bed at my sides, my legs were thrown open & bent at the knees, I could then "see" this candle hovering in the air above my legs, then as God as my witness I was sexually assaulted with this candle by whatever the hell was in my room. I know this sounds ridiculous but I have never attempted to Astral Project since for fear that this "being" will come back with a truck load of candles! Anyway, after this was all over, I have no idea how long it lasted either, I could feel myself being sucked back in my body, no longer had the feeling of being held down, got up, ran like hell from the room & didn't return there the rest of the night, I considered waking up my family but didn't really want to burst in my parents room & say "Hey guess what? I just had sex with a candle, & I'd like you to meet him..." Soooo I slept downstairs after that for a few days. The next morning while taking a shower I noticed 3 scratches that were about two inches long on my abdomen precisely where I felt like I was being "clawed" at. Now this would have been completely impossible for me to have done this to myself, as I said I had long pajamas on & did not have finger nails at the time that could have made scratches this deep, they were always chewed down to the nubs. A few years later I saw the movie "The Entity" & got the heebie jeebies because I realized this same thing definitely happened to me, however as far as I recall, in the movie nothing "concrete" was used, she could just feel the sensation of being raped. I have told very very few people in my life about this episode, one person I told was utterly terrified, but he had experienced OBE's before, the other few either reacted like - A.) I was ready for the Booby Hatch, or B.) As big a liar as Pinnochio. So I haven't had much feedback on this obviously & must admit even as embarrassing as it may be, it does feel awfully good to get this off of my chest. I'm sorry this was so long, and thanks for reading this far, and remember........... NO LAUGHING PLEASE! :-) ###### From: hawksmoor@dial.pipex.com (Julia Hawkes-Moore) Newsgroups: alt.out-of-body Subject: Re: Okay here's my experience..... Date: Wed, 01 Jul 1998 08:59:15 GMT Organization: UUNET UK server (post doesn't reflect views of UUNET UK) Lines: 24 Message-ID: <3599f891.2778930@news.dial.pipex.com> References: <1998070106343600.CAA11663@ladder03.news.aol.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: userk586.uk.uudial.com X-Newsreader: Forte Free Agent 1.1/16.230 Path: ccw.ch!pfaff.ethz.ch!news-zh.switch.ch!news-ge.switch.ch!news.maxwell.syr.edu!news-peer.sprintlink.net!news-peer-east.sprintlink.net!news.sprintlink.net!rill.news.pipex.net!pipex!bore.news.pipex.net!pipex!not-for-mail (Heather619) wrote: >I have told very very few people in my life about this episode, one person I >told was utterly terrified, but he had experienced OBE's before, the other few >either reacted like - A.) I was ready for the Booby Hatch, or B.) As big a liar >as Pinnochio. So I haven't had much feedback on this obviously & must admit >even as embarrassing as it may be, it does feel awfully good to get this off of >my chest. >I'm sorry this was so long, and thanks for reading this far, and >remember........... >NO LAUGHING PLEASE! >:-) I'm not laughing, and I'm sure that no-one else will either, Heather. You seem to have been the victim of extremely bad luck. You have experienced the worst; the best will be yours from now on. Congratulations for being so brave in telling us about this horrible incident. You are now armoured - by that courage - against such an event ever happening again. I send you all the healing and protective white light I can muster. I am sure that the others in this group will do the same. Be happy, and enjoy life, dreams, and the many other worlds of delight and joy which await you. All best wishes, Julia Hawkes-Moore. ###### From: heather619@aol.com (Heather619) Newsgroups: alt.out-of-body Subject: Re: Okay here's my experience..... Lines: 18 Message-ID: <1998070110575700.GAA22170@ladder01.news.aol.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: ladder01.news.aol.com X-Admin: news@aol.com Date: 1 Jul 1998 10:57:56 GMT Organization: AOL http://www.aol.com References: <3599f891.2778930@news.dial.pipex.com> Path: ccw.ch!pfaff.ethz.ch!news-zh.switch.ch!news.belnet.be!newsgate.cistron.nl!het.net!news.cs.utwente.nl!newshunter.cosy.sbg.ac.at!newsfeed.Austria.EU.net!newscore.univie.ac.at!europa.clark.net!208.134.241.18!newsfeed.internetmci.com!152.163.199.19!portc03.blue.aol.com!audrey01.news.aol.com!not-for-mail > I'm not laughing, and I'm sure that no-one else will either, >Heather. You seem to have been the victim of extremely bad luck. >You have experienced the worst; the best will be yours from now on. >Congratulations for being so brave in telling us about this horrible >incident. You are now armoured - by that courage - against such an >event ever happening again. I send you all the healing and protective >white light I can muster. I am sure that the others in this group will >do the same. > Be happy, and enjoy life, dreams, and the many other worlds of >delight and joy which await you. > All best wishes, Julia Hawkes-Moore. > > Wow, thank you so much for the wonderful response! I really appreciate it! And I feel alot better. Take care, Heather ###### From: Zac Newsgroups: alt.out-of-body Subject: Re: Okay here's my experience..... Date: Wed, 01 Jul 1998 13:48:34 -0700 Organization: none Lines: 11 Message-ID: <359AA0A2.6726@geocities.com> References: <1998070106343600.CAA11663@ladder03.news.aol.com> Reply-To: psycho_dude@geocities.com NNTP-Posting-Host: ple-ca10-12.ix.netcom.com Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-NETCOM-Date: Wed Jul 01 3:44:44 PM CDT 1998 X-Mailer: Mozilla 3.04Gold (Win95; I) Path: ccw.ch!pfaff.ethz.ch!news-zh.switch.ch!news-ge.switch.ch!news-fra1.dfn.de!news-was.dfn.de!nntp-out.monmouth.com!newspeer.monmouth.com!ix.netcom.com!news Heather619 wrote: > > Now remember - you PROMISED not to laugh!! :-) No one is going to laugh at you, because it takes courage to share your experiences, especially your bad ones. -- -Zac I'm not insane... ....the voices in my head tell me so. ###### From: "Shane" Newsgroups: alt.out-of-body References: <1998070106343600.CAA11663@ladder03.news.aol.com> Subject: Re: Okay here's my experience..... Date: Wed, 1 Jul 1998 21:23:04 +1000 Lines: 97 X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.3110.1 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.3110.3 NNTP-Posting-Host: 139.134.64.40 Message-ID: <359a233a.0@139.134.5.33> Path: ccw.ch!pfaff.ethz.ch!news-zh.switch.ch!news-ge.switch.ch!news.maxwell.syr.edu!intgwpad.nntp.telstra.net!nsw.nntp.telstra.net!139.134.5.33!139.134.64.40 Heather619 wrote in message <1998070106343600.CAA11663@ladder03.news.aol.com>... >A few years later I saw the movie "The Entity" & got the heebie >jeebies because I realized this same thing definitely happened to me, >however as far as I recall, in the movie nothing "concrete" was used, >she could just feel the sensation of being raped. >I have told very very few people in my life about this episode, one >person I told was utterly terrified, but he had experienced OBE's >before, the other few either reacted like - A.) I was ready for the >Booby Hatch, or B.) As big a liar as Pinnochio. So I haven't had much >feedback on this obviously & must admit even as embarrassing as it may >be, it does feel awfully good to get this off of my chest. I'm sorry >this was so long, and thanks for reading this far, and >remember........... NO LAUGHING PLEASE! >:-) Phew - quite a story Heather - no laughing here! When I first started reading it I was thinking that this "evil entity" may have just been a thoughtform created by your sub-conscious. Sometimes you may encounter something "evil" whilst OBE but it's actually only a representation of your own fear which will go away once you recognise it for what it is. This is known as the "dweller on the threshold". I've heard of some people that have this thing pop up here and there and actually chase them. However, when they confront it as simply their own fear manifested in the form of an "evil entity", it crumbles or dissolves before their very eyes. This is what I was thinking until I read your bit about the physical scratches on your stomach! I'm not categorically saying that it was actually a real "evil" spirit - I don't know. But let's just assume for a minute that it was. You may wish to use a "psychic shield" next time you project. There are a few ways of doing this but they basically all involve imagining your body inside a protective bubble (of light or whatever) that repels anything "bad". Only good can pass through this bubble and anything "bad" is held back or repelled by an invisible force. When I do this, I usually imagine the exterior of the bubble as having a mirrored surface so that nothing can see in - you can only see out. Another thing - normally I'd suggest either trying to get back into your physical body or moving "up" to a higher place, but you said you were being pinned down. I know this sounds easier than it is because you'd probably be scared shitless, but if you ever encounter such a thing again, you should try to imagine powerful, loving white light pouring from yourself to this thing. In fact, try to imagine this white light coming in from everywhere in the entire Universe and filling the whole bedroom with nothing but pure, loving white light. This brings in the "law" of attraction and repulsion. Something that is "evil" would be repelled by things such as white light and "love". For backup I'd also be calling for help from your spirit guides or any higher beings of light that can respond to you (and there will be someone there to help). I don't care whether or not you believe in such things, just do it and see what happens. One thing that may have compounded the situation was your feeling of helplessness and being overpowered. You obviously did feel helpless and fearful, but this thing would have fed on that fear, making it even stronger. You're never truly helpless unless you think you are. Another thing I want to mention is this "Dead Season". I've never heard of it before and I don't think discarnate entities would really give a rats about the calender system we use here on Earth. Time really doesn't have much meaning on the astral plane so for someone to say in book that all the evil spirits come out to play from December to March sounds more like superstition than anything else. This December to March period you talk about seems to coincide with Winter (and a bit into Spring) in the northern hemisphere. I guess you could probably call that a "Dead Season" because the weather's cold and you don't get too many flowers growing. However, I'd like to remind you that this is only true for the northern hemisphere. Where I'm from (Australia), December to March is actually Summer (and a bit of Autumn). After your "Dead Season" up there, do all the evil spirits head south for the Summer? I don't think so. There may also be some astrological reason for December to March, but then I don't think discarnate spirits would really care about that either. I'm just wondering if your thinking about the "Dead Season" somehow attracted this thing to you (unintentionally of course). The saying "what you expect is what you get" is somewhat true when it comes to OBE. This doesn't mean you're a bad person or anything. It just means that you may have unintentionally made yourself more susceptible for such a thing to happen. I haven't heard very many stories like this so, fortunately, I'd have to say that experiences like this one are pretty rare. Hope some of this makes sense :-) Shane ###### From: Trish Pike Newsgroups: alt.out-of-body Subject: Re: Okay here's my experience..... Date: Thu, 02 Jul 1998 00:11:43 -0400 Organization: gte.net Lines: 17 Message-ID: <6nf14l$fie$4@news-1.news.gte.net> References: <1998070106343600.CAA11663@ladder03.news.aol.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: 1cust201.tnt1.new-port-richey.fl.gt.uu.net Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Auth: D58F96C457044D0849C50414 X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.05 [en] (Win95; I) Path: ccw.ch!pfaff.ethz.ch!news-zh.switch.ch!news-ge.switch.ch!news.maxwell.syr.edu!nntp.giganews.com!worldfeed.gte.net!newsfeed.gte.net!newsfeed2.gte.net.MISMATCH!news.gte.net!not-for-mail Heather ... No one here would laugh at that. I think a lot of us have been in situations that are scary and even humiliating at times. It takes courage to post, and share what happened .... just realize that you're not alone, and that you can overcome this. For quite some time I was stalked by a serial killer, had been shot to death, had someone who was "in bed" with me attempt to choke me to death during an OBE. In time, you will learn to confront your fears of these types of situations, and learn what you need to do to overcome them. Just know that everyone is here to help you with it. And we will, if we can. Good luck! Trish ###### Path: ccw.ch!usenet From: Neil Franklin Newsgroups: alt.out-of-body Subject: Re: Okay here's my experience..... Date: 02 Jul 1998 01:10:17 +0200 Organization: My own Private Self Lines: 42 Message-ID: References: <1998070106343600.CAA11663@ladder03.news.aol.com> X-Newsreader: Gnus v5.3/Emacs 19.34 heather619@aol.com (Heather619) writes: > I can't believe I'm telling this, anyway my arms were pinned to the bed at my > sides, my legs were thrown open & bent at the knees, I could then "see" this > candle hovering in the air above my legs, then as God as my witness I was > sexually assaulted with this candle by whatever the hell was in my > room. Rape by Spirits is known to exist. The spirits are called Incumbus (rape women) and Succumbus (rape men). Hmm, I may have that the wrong way round. > next morning while taking a shower I noticed 3 scratches that were about two > inches long on my abdomen precisely where I felt like I was being "clawed" at. > Now this would have been completely impossible for me to have done this to > myself, as I said I had long pajamas on & did not have finger nails at the time > that could have made scratches this deep, they were always chewed down to the > nubs. A form of telekinesis known as stigmata. Can be made either by ones own imagination (if the entity was self generated) or by that of an spirit. > A few years later I saw the movie "The Entity" & got the heebie jeebies because > I realized this same thing definitely happened to me, however as far as I > recall, in the movie nothing "concrete" was used, she could just feel the > sensation of being raped. That is actually the normal case as I have read about. But if humans use sex toys, why shouldn't spirits do so. > NO LAUGHING PLEASE! None whatsoever. -- private: Neil.Franklin@ccw.ch.remove http://www.ccw.ch/Neil.Franklin/ office: franklin@arch.ethz.ch.remove http://caad.arch.ethz.ch/~franklin/ WinCE car, crashing soon on a road near you ###### From: johnf@melbpc.org.au (John Fitzsimons) Newsgroups: alt.out-of-body Subject: Re: Okay here's my experience..... Date: Thu, 02 Jul 1998 02:32:46 GMT Organization: Melbourne PC User Group Inc, Australia Lines: 151 Message-ID: <35a7eb22.12298726@news.melbpc.org.au> References: <1998070106343600.CAA11663@ladder03.news.aol.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: b2-55.melbpc.org.au Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Newsreader: Forte Agent 1.5/32.451 Path: ccw.ch!pfaff.ethz.ch!news-zh.switch.ch!naxos!news.belnet.be!newsfeed.skynet.be!newscore.univie.ac.at!news-spur1.maxwell.syr.edu!news.maxwell.syr.edu!news.mel.connect.com.au!news.melbpc.org.au!news2.melbpc.org.au!not-for-mail On 1 Jul 1998 06:34:36 GMT, heather619@aol.com (Heather619) wrote: >Now remember - you PROMISED not to laugh!! :-) I even admit myself that parts >of this are unbelievable and ludicrous, but it happend nonetheless... One night >I was projecting (on purpose) & it was during this so called "Dead Season" that >I just mentioned in a prior post, everything was going smoothly until all of a >sudden when I was just hovering above my body I felt the oddest sensation in >the room, it was very oppressive & most unpleasant. I began to get a little >nervous but continued with trying to "get out" through my window over the yard, >then it felt like something (what I do not know) "pushed" me back down onto the >bed on top of my physical body, That could have been a "negative" OR "good" person pushing you. Sometimes it is inadvisable to go OOB. Your spirit guides of the light know this. Sometimes they can try to warn us if we look like doing something we shouldn't. >but I didn't feel like I was united with my >body. It was as if "we" were together (occupying the same space on the bed) >but not meshed like normal (if that makes any sense). It does. If one wakes up after such a mis-alignment then it is best to have a short nap and go out/in again, properly. Otherwise one will possibly get a headache and/or feel "out of sorts" all day. > I also could feel >something "clawing at my stomach even though I had a 2 piece pajama set on, it That would most likely discount the "positive" spirit option. Though discomfort in a "chakra" area can be mis-interpreted as something else. >was as if it was trying to get "inside" of me. Anyway, every time I tried to IF it was someone negative then that may have been what they were trying to do. Possession is not unusual. What is unusual is people being aware of when it happens/is happening. >get up this "thing" forced me back down onto the bed, at this point I felt as >if I couldn't breathe because this thing was on top of me, holding me down so >that I was paralyzed. Your "physical" body usually "appears" to be paralysed due to your "focus" being in your non-physical body. >No matter how hard I struggled to move (or how hard I >struggled to get "back in" my body) all my efforts were futile Had you concentrated on moving your physical, rather than non-physical, body things would have been better. >- this thing >would not budge. I had a few candles in the room so that it wouldn't be >completely dark, one of the tapered ones (I still remember it was a green one) >suddenly went out even though the rest around it stayed lit & there was no >breeze in the room, I was then literally "hurled" out of my bed over to the >dresser and something lifted my arm (I swear I could see the indentation of >"fingerprints" in my flesh where it was grabbing me), then this thing put my >hand to the candle, had me pick it up & then proceeded to hurl me back to the >bed with such a force I thought for sure I had broken a rib even though I was >aware that this was not my physical self. Nothing surprising here. Pretty well anything that can be done to you physically can be done to you non-physically. >Now comes the embarrassing part, ugh >I can't believe I'm telling this, anyway my arms were pinned to the bed at my >sides, my legs were thrown open & bent at the knees, I could then "see" this >candle hovering in the air above my legs, then as God as my witness I was >sexually assaulted with this candle by whatever the hell was in my room. Some physical people do this sort of thing. No surprise there for if they do it when OOB or when discarnate. Pity you didn't ask your spirit guides of the light to take him off you. :-( > I know >this sounds ridiculous but I have never attempted to Astral Project since for >fear that this "being" will come back with a truck load of candles! Nothing ridiculous about that IMO. :-) >Anyway, >after this was all over, I have no idea how long it lasted either, I could feel >myself being sucked back in my body, no longer had the feeling of being held >down, got up, ran like hell from the room & didn't return there the rest of the >night, Not a lot of point going into another room. Generally speaking the person could simply follow you there. The exception would be where a room is particularly "negative" and a person in spirit form wished to remain there. >I considered waking up my family but didn't really want to burst in my >parents room & say "Hey guess what? I just had sex with a candle, & I'd like >you to meet him..." Soooo I slept downstairs after that for a few days. The >next morning while taking a shower I noticed 3 scratches that were about two >inches long on my abdomen precisely where I felt like I was being "clawed" at. Some people wake up with physical bruises after being attacked non-physically. >Now this would have been completely impossible for me to have done this to >myself, as I said I had long pajamas on & did not have finger nails at the time >that could have made scratches this deep, they were always chewed down to the >nubs. Besides, why bother scratching yourself ? >A few years later I saw the movie "The Entity" & got the heebie jeebies because >I realized this same thing definitely happened to me, however as far as I >recall, in the movie nothing "concrete" was used, she could just feel the >sensation of being raped. In situations like this one hardly needs to explain exactly what they were feeling inside them. >I have told very very few people in my life about this episode, one person I >told was utterly terrified, Better to deal with what one is afraid of rather than be afraid IMO. >but he had experienced OBE's before, the other few >either reacted like - A.) I was ready for the Booby Hatch, They wouldn't have that opinion if they experienced what you/others have. >or B.) As big a liar as Pinnochio. Usually best to avoid people who simply accuse you of being a liar. They obviously aren't going to be of much help in this sort of situation. >So I haven't had much feedback on this obviously & must admit >even as embarrassing as it may be, it does feel awfully good to get this off of >my chest. Don't worry. Your experience is a lot more common than many people admit. Looks like your being on the internet was a good idea. Now, at least you have more understanding, and ways to deal with these types of situations. :-) Regards, John. **************************************************** ,-._|\ John Fitzsimons - Melbourne, Australia. / Oz \ johnf@melbpc.org.au, Fidonet 3:632/309 \_,--.x/ http://www.vicnet.net.au/~johnf/welcome.htm v http://www.alphalink.com.au/~johnf/ ###### From: SweetVenom@usa.net Newsgroups: alt.out-of-body Subject: Re: Okay here's my experience..... Date: Thu, 02 Jul 1998 06:29:38 GMT Organization: EarthLink Network, Inc. Lines: 28 Message-ID: <35a512f9.13108949@news.earthlink.net> References: <1998070106343600.CAA11663@ladder03.news.aol.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: pool005-max2.covina-ca-us.dialup.earthlink.net Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Newsreader: Forte Agent 1.5/16.451 Path: ccw.ch!pfaff.ethz.ch!news-zh.switch.ch!news-ge.switch.ch!news.maxwell.syr.edu!netnews.com!news.idt.net!newsfeed1.earthlink.net!nntp.earthlink.net!not-for-mail heather619@aol.com (Heather619) wrote: >Now comes the embarrassing part, ugh >I can't believe I'm telling this, anyway my arms were pinned to the bed at my >sides, my legs were thrown open & bent at the knees, I could then "see" this >candle hovering in the air above my legs, then as God as my witness I was >sexually assaulted with this candle by whatever the hell was in my room. > I know two woman that had sexual attacks happen to them by non physical entities to their physical body. One had just started to date a former Satanist and the other was living with a psychologically unbalanced woman who would dabble in psychic matters.. >Soooo I slept downstairs after that for a few days. The >next morning while taking a shower I noticed 3 scratches that were about two >inches long on my abdomen precisely where I felt like I was being "clawed" at. >Now this would have been completely impossible for me to have done this to >myself, as I said I had long pajamas on & did not have finger nails at the time >that could have made scratches this deep, they were always chewed down to the >nubs. > Once i had an episode which felt like part dream and part OOB where i was traveling down into hell, i cried out in terror to God for help. I felt hands on my upper arms lifting me up and back into my body. On my uppers arms were three scratches. Though they are fading, i still have the scars and that happened almost ten years ago. Bob ###### From: SweetVenom@usa.net Newsgroups: alt.out-of-body Subject: Re: Okay here's my experience..... Date: Thu, 02 Jul 1998 06:29:53 GMT Organization: EarthLink Network, Inc. Lines: 19 Message-ID: <35a614f6.13618488@news.earthlink.net> References: <1998070106343600.CAA11663@ladder03.news.aol.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: pool005-max2.covina-ca-us.dialup.earthlink.net Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Newsreader: Forte Agent 1.5/16.451 Path: ccw.ch!pfaff.ethz.ch!news-zh.switch.ch!news-ge.switch.ch!news.maxwell.syr.edu!netnews.com!news.idt.net!newsfeed1.earthlink.net!nntp.earthlink.net!not-for-mail Neil Franklin wrote: >heather619@aol.com (Heather619) writes: >> I can't believe I'm telling this, anyway my arms were pinned to the bed at my >> sides, my legs were thrown open & bent at the knees, I could then "see" this >> candle hovering in the air above my legs, then as God as my witness I was >> sexually assaulted with this candle by whatever the hell was in my >> room. > >Rape by Spirits is known to exist. The spirits are called Incumbus >(rape women) and Succumbus (rape men). Hmm, I may have that the wrong >way round. > Incubus have a male form and have sexual intercourse with women and Succubus have a female form and have intercourse with men. Don't know if their are any gay ones, but it is believed that Incubi and Succubi switch form from one sex to another. Bob ###### From: heather619@aol.com (Heather619) Newsgroups: alt.out-of-body Subject: Re: Okay here's my experience..... Lines: 21 Message-ID: <1998070209521101.FAA07603@ladder01.news.aol.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: ladder01.news.aol.com X-Admin: news@aol.com Date: 2 Jul 1998 09:52:11 GMT Organization: AOL http://www.aol.com References: <35a512f9.13108949@news.earthlink.net> Path: ccw.ch!pfaff.ethz.ch!news-zh.switch.ch!news-ge.switch.ch!news-fra1.dfn.de!newsfeed.ecrc.net!europa.clark.net!141.211.144.13!newsxfer3.itd.umich.edu!portc01.blue.aol.com!audrey01.news.aol.com!not-for-mail Thank you all for such nice reponses & encouraging words of advice... I would like to add one piece of info I left out of my original post regarding my experience. Now that I see that no one will think I am insane I feel more comfortable in sharing this, so here goes.....as this "thing" forced my hand to grab the candle from the dresser it also got out a knee high pantyhose from the dresser drawer & slipped it on over the candle. I know that sounds ridiculous & I did get quite a bit of laughs when I relayed this story to others. Anyway, after a few days of pondering this (translation - being scared witless) it dawned on me that the nylon stocking was used as a sort of "condom" if you will. Now if that isn't bizarre I don't know what is! I am grateful that in my own mind I am 100% positive that this really happened & was not imagined, because if I wasn't totally sure then I would have real doubts regarding my sanity! Who ever heard of a "ghost, demon, spirit or whatever" using protection?! I know this is the AIDS era and all but please! :-) I also read someones post about being scratched & still having the scars after ten years, well this was no more than 4 or 5 years ago but I still do have one of the three marks on my stomach. Anyway, thanks again to all who responded so kindly. :-) ###### From: johnf@melbpc.org.au (John Fitzsimons) Newsgroups: alt.out-of-body Subject: Re: Okay here's my experience..... Date: Thu, 02 Jul 1998 23:08:21 GMT Organization: Melbourne PC User Group Inc, Australia Lines: 33 Message-ID: <35a10dc7.5561963@news.melbpc.org.au> References: <1998070106343600.CAA11663@ladder03.news.aol.com> <35a512f9.13108949@news.earthlink.net> NNTP-Posting-Host: b1-46.melbpc.org.au Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Newsreader: Forte Agent 1.5/32.451 Path: ccw.ch!pfaff.ethz.ch!news-zh.switch.ch!news-ge.switch.ch!newsfeed.uk.ibm.net!newsfeed.de.ibm.net!ibm.net!newsfeed.nacamar.de!news.maxwell.syr.edu!news.mel.connect.com.au!news.melbpc.org.au!news2.melbpc.org.au!not-for-mail On Thu, 02 Jul 1998 06:29:38 GMT, SweetVenom@usa.net wrote: < snip > >I know two woman that had sexual attacks happen to them by non physical entities >to their physical body. One had just started to date a former Satanist and the >other was living with a psychologically unbalanced woman who would dabble in >psychic matters.. Sounds more like your friend was being attacked by physical entities, while they were OOB. < snip > >Once i had an episode which felt like part dream and part OOB where i was >traveling down into hell, i cried out in terror to God for help. I felt hands >on my upper arms lifting me up and back into my body. < snip > By far the best response in such a situation. To avoid this happening in the first place it is often a good idea to pray to the forces of God for "protection", and "guidance", just before going to sleep. Regards, John. **************************************************** ,-._|\ John Fitzsimons - Melbourne, Australia. / Oz \ johnf@melbpc.org.au, Fidonet 3:632/309 \_,--.x/ http://www.vicnet.net.au/~johnf/welcome.htm v http://www.alphalink.com.au/~johnf/ ###### From: johnf@melbpc.org.au (John Fitzsimons) Newsgroups: alt.out-of-body Subject: Re: Okay here's my experience..... Date: Thu, 02 Jul 1998 23:08:22 GMT Organization: Melbourne PC User Group Inc, Australia Lines: 28 Message-ID: <35a20f54.5959738@news.melbpc.org.au> References: <35a512f9.13108949@news.earthlink.net> <1998070209521101.FAA07603@ladder01.news.aol.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: b1-46.melbpc.org.au Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Newsreader: Forte Agent 1.5/32.451 Path: ccw.ch!pfaff.ethz.ch!news-zh.switch.ch!news-ge.switch.ch!enews.sgi.com!korova.insync.net!europa.clark.net!128.230.129.106!news.maxwell.syr.edu!news.mel.connect.com.au!news.melbpc.org.au!news2.melbpc.org.au!not-for-mail On 2 Jul 1998 09:52:11 GMT, heather619@aol.com (Heather619) wrote: < snip > >Who ever heard of a "ghost, demon, spirit or whatever" using >protection?! I know this is the AIDS era and all but please! :-) < snip > Why not ? Many people who are discarnate do the same sorts of things that they did when they were incarnate. One's habits don't just vanish because one dies. :-) This situation is in fact a big plus ! If we have someone who is physical, and it attacking us non-physically, certain mannerisms/ habits will often give away who they are (some people change their "image" so that they aren't recognised). Regards, John. **************************************************** ,-._|\ John Fitzsimons - Melbourne, Australia. / Oz \ johnf@melbpc.org.au, Fidonet 3:632/309 \_,--.x/ http://www.vicnet.net.au/~johnf/welcome.htm v http://www.alphalink.com.au/~johnf/ ###### From: sweetvenom@usa.net Newsgroups: alt.out-of-body Subject: Re: Okay here's my experience..... Date: Mon, 06 Jul 1998 14:53:55 GMT Organization: Deja News - The Leader in Internet Discussion Lines: 31 Message-ID: <6nqoe2$l7d$1@nnrp1.dejanews.com> References: <1998070106343600.CAA11663@ladder03.news.aol.com> <35a512f9.13108949@news.earthlink.net> <35a10dc7.5561963@news.melbpc.org.au> NNTP-Posting-Host: 207.217.135.103 X-Article-Creation-Date: Mon Jul 06 14:53:55 1998 GMT X-Http-User-Agent: Mozilla/3.03Gold (Win16; I) Path: ccw.ch!pfaff.ethz.ch!news-zh.switch.ch!news-ge.switch.ch!enews.sgi.com!su-news-feed4.bbnplanet.com!su-news-hub1.bbnplanet.com!cpk-news-hub1.bbnplanet.com!news.bbnplanet.com!howland.erols.net!newspeer.monmouth.com!nntp2.dejanews.com!nnrp1.dejanews.com!not-for-mail In article <35a10dc7.5561963@news.melbpc.org.au>, johnf@melbpc.org.au (John Fitzsimons) wrote: > > On Thu, 02 Jul 1998 06:29:38 GMT, SweetVenom@usa.net wrote: > > < snip > > > >I know two woman that had sexual attacks happen to them by non physical entities > >to their physical body. One had just started to date a former Satanist and the > >other was living with a psychologically unbalanced woman who would dabble in > >psychic matters.. > > Sounds more like your friend was being attacked by physical entities, > while they were OOB. > They were awake, they hadn't even gone to bed yet. One was just walking into her bedroom and then thrown to the floor. Same with the other one, it was daytime, the voice she heard said "I want to fuck you." It could be that she was having psychological problems but this was a brief period which started when she was dating a former Satanist and then disappeared when she stopped dating him. I also did some visualizing techniques to help her; surrounding her in white light. > < snip > -----== Posted via Deja News, The Leader in Internet Discussion ==----- http://www.dejanews.com/rg_mkgrp.xp Create Your Own Free Member Forum ###### From: johnf@melbpc.org.au (John Fitzsimons) Newsgroups: alt.out-of-body Subject: Re: Okay here's my experience..... Date: Tue, 07 Jul 1998 04:05:01 GMT Organization: Melbourne PC User Group Inc, Australia Lines: 37 Message-ID: <35a29bc4.23541981@news.melbpc.org.au> References: <1998070106343600.CAA11663@ladder03.news.aol.com> <35a512f9.13108949@news.earthlink.net> <35a10dc7.5561963@news.melbpc.org.au> <6nqoe2$l7d$1@nnrp1.dejanews.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: b2-20.melbpc.org.au Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Newsreader: Forte Agent 1.5/32.451 Path: ccw.ch!pfaff.ethz.ch!news-zh.switch.ch!news-ge.switch.ch!news.maxwell.syr.edu!news.mel.connect.com.au!news.melbpc.org.au!news2.melbpc.org.au!not-for-mail On Mon, 06 Jul 1998 14:53:55 GMT, sweetvenom@usa.net wrote: >In article <35a10dc7.5561963@news.melbpc.org.au>, > johnf@melbpc.org.au (John Fitzsimons) wrote: < snip > >> Sounds more like your friend was being attacked by physical entities, >> while they were OOB. >They were awake, they hadn't even gone to bed yet. I wasn't talking about the person being attacked I was talking about the attackers ! They were probably physical people who attacked while OOB. >One was just walking into >her bedroom and then thrown to the floor. Same with the other one, it was >daytime, the voice she heard said "I want to fuck you." It could be that she >was having psychological problems but this was a brief period which started >when she was dating a former Satanist and then disappeared when she stopped >dating him. I also did some visualizing techniques to help her; surrounding >her in white light. She should be doing this herself. You cannot babysit her 24 hours a day. Ideally you would both be directing light at the attackers in addition to creating white light shielding. :-) Regards, John. **************************************************** ,-._|\ John Fitzsimons - Melbourne, Australia. / Oz \ johnf@melbpc.org.au, Fidonet 3:632/309 \_,--.x/ http://www.vicnet.net.au/~johnf/welcome.htm v http://www.alphalink.com.au/~johnf/ ###### From: sweetvenom@usa.net Newsgroups: alt.out-of-body Subject: Re: Okay here's my experience..... Date: Mon, 13 Jul 1998 14:57:49 GMT Organization: Deja News - The Leader in Internet Discussion Lines: 38 Message-ID: <6od79d$bu9$1@nnrp1.dejanews.com> References: <1998070106343600.CAA11663@ladder03.news.aol.com> <35a512f9.13108949@news.earthlink.net> <35a10dc7.5561963@news.melbpc.org.au> <6nqoe2$l7d$1@nnrp1.dejanews.com> <35a29bc4.23541981@news.melbpc.org.au> NNTP-Posting-Host: 207.217.135.186 X-Article-Creation-Date: Mon Jul 13 14:57:49 1998 GMT X-Http-User-Agent: Mozilla/3.03Gold (Win16; I) Path: ccw.ch!pfaff.ethz.ch!news-zh.switch.ch!ubnnews.unisource.ch!news-nyc.telia.net!newsfeed.internetmci.com!204.238.120.130!news-feeds.jump.net!nntp2.dejanews.com!nnrp1.dejanews.com!not-for-mail In article <35a29bc4.23541981@news.melbpc.org.au>, johnf@melbpc.org.au (John Fitzsimons) wrote: > > On Mon, 06 Jul 1998 14:53:55 GMT, sweetvenom@usa.net wrote: > > >In article <35a10dc7.5561963@news.melbpc.org.au>, > > johnf@melbpc.org.au (John Fitzsimons) wrote: > > < snip > > > >> Sounds more like your friend was being attacked by physical entities, > >> while they were OOB. > > >They were awake, they hadn't even gone to bed yet. > > I wasn't talking about the person being attacked I was talking about > the attackers ! They were probably physical people who attacked while > OOB. > > >One was just walking into > >her bedroom and then thrown to the floor. Same with the other one, it was > >daytime, the voice she heard said "I want to fuck you." It could be that she > >was having psychological problems but this was a brief period which started > >when she was dating a former Satanist and then disappeared when she stopped > >dating him. I also did some visualizing techniques to help her; surrounding > >her in white light. > > She should be doing this herself. You cannot babysit her 24 hours a > day. Ideally you would both be directing light at the attackers in > addition to creating white light shielding. :-) > I gave her some techniques to do. And i enlisted a church to pray for her. Helping a friend, praying for a friend is not babysitting for them 24 hours a day. Helping people isn't such an Herculian effort. At any rate, the experiences quickly went away with miminal effort on mine and her part. -----== Posted via Deja News, The Leader in Internet Discussion ==----- http://www.dejanews.com/rg_mkgrp.xp Create Your Own Free Member Forum