Path: ccw.ch!elna.ethz.ch!news-zh.switch.ch!news-ge.switch.ch!news.maxwell.syr.edu!news-peer.gip.net!news.gsl.net!gip.net!newsfeed.nacamar.de!dispose.news.demon.net!demon!rill.news.pipex.net!pipex!server1.netnews.ja.net!hgmp.mrc.ac.uk!not-for-mail From: Tim Newsgroups: alt.out-of-body Subject: Need paralysis? Date: Tue, 19 May 1998 12:07:33 +0100 Organization: MRC Human Genome Mapping Project Resource Centre Message-ID: <356167F5.41C6@sanger.ac.uk> NNTP-Posting-Host: fes4.sanger.ac.uk Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Mozilla 3.04 (X11; I; OSF1 V4.0 alpha) Lines: 10 Hello! Is, the sleep paralysis stage, that a lot of people talk about, something which needs to be acheived before you can leave your body? Does everyone here have paralysis before a projection? or is it something which some people experience and others don't? Thanks Tim. ###### Path: ccw.ch!elna.ethz.ch!news-zh.switch.ch!news-ge.switch.ch!news.maxwell.syr.edu!newsfeed.nacamar.de!rill.news.pipex.net!pipex!bore.news.pipex.net!pipex!not-for-mail From: hawksmoor@dial.pipex.com (Julia Hawkes-Moore) Newsgroups: alt.out-of-body Subject: Re: Need paralysis? Date: Tue, 19 May 1998 19:45:18 GMT Organization: UUNET WorldCom server (post doesn't reflect views of UUNET WorldCom) Lines: 16 Message-ID: <3561e03c.48028836@news.dial.pipex.com> References: <356167F5.41C6@sanger.ac.uk> NNTP-Posting-Host: aa166.du.pipex.com X-Newsreader: Forte Free Agent 1.1/16.230 Tim wrote: >Is, the sleep paralysis stage, that a lot of people talk about, >something which needs to be acheived before you can leave your body? >Does everyone here have paralysis before a projection? or is it >something which some people experience and others don't? I don't recognise this sleep paralysis business, but my body does become extremely relaxed and I don't bother moving it. Perhaps some people try to move their limbs, find it too difficult and then think they are paralysed and panic? There seems to be grades and levels of vibrations for different people: perhaps this applies to this paralysis too? Anyway, it sounds as though you are on the brink now! Good luck! All best wishes, Julia Hawkes-Moore. ###### Path: ccw.ch!elna.ethz.ch!news-zh.switch.ch!news-ge.switch.ch!news.maxwell.syr.edu!news-peer.gip.net!news-dc.gip.net!news.gsl.net!gip.net!news.online.be!not-for-mail From: "Wim Van Haver" Newsgroups: alt.out-of-body Subject: Re: Need paralysis? Date: Wed, 20 May 1998 19:44:35 +0200 Organization: Customer of Online Internet Lines: 22 Message-ID: <6jv8c5$ehu$1@trex.antw.online.be> References: <356167F5.41C6@sanger.ac.uk> NNTP-Posting-Host: p8-12.z03.glo.be X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.71.1712.3 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.71.1712.3 Tim wrote... >Is, the sleep paralysis stage, that a lot of people talk about, >something which needs to be acheived before you can leave your body? >Does everyone here have paralysis before a projection? or is it >something which some people experience and others don't? > >Thanks > >Tim. I always go through the stage of paralysis (expect for the one occasion when I started form a LD), but IMHO this is very natural - it's your physical body that's sleeping. So I think that you always go through this phase if you start the OBE from a waking state. But I think that many people don't notice this state because they don't try to move or shout (they just feel a state of relaxation). You can't notice your paralyzed if you don't try to move! Wim. ###### Path: ccw.ch!usenet From: Neil Franklin Newsgroups: alt.out-of-body Subject: Re: Need paralysis? Date: 20 May 1998 23:32:37 +0200 Organization: My own Private Self Lines: 44 Message-ID: References: <356167F5.41C6@sanger.ac.uk> <3561e03c.48028836@news.dial.pipex.com> X-Newsreader: Gnus v5.3/Emacs 19.34 hawksmoor@dial.pipex.com (Julia Hawkes-Moore) wrote: > Tim wrote: > > >Is, the sleep paralysis stage, that a lot of people talk about, > >something which needs to be acheived before you can leave your body? > >Does everyone here have paralysis before a projection? or is it > >something which some people experience and others don't? > > I don't recognise this sleep paralysis business, but my body does > become extremely relaxed and I don't bother moving it. Perhaps some > people try to move their limbs, find it too difficult and then think > they are paralysed and panic? There seems to be grades and levels of > vibrations for different people: perhaps this applies to this > paralysis too? With sleep paralysis it is as with the vibrations, but even more so. It is definitely neccessary (and unavoidable, even just in normal sleep), so you are doing it. But you may not become aware of it, because your conciousness shifts away from the body before sleep paralysis setting in. Unlike the vibrations for which we only have the experiences of those that have done OBE, the sleep paralysis can actually be proven by neuroscience. They have even found the nerves that do it! Actually sleep paralysis is an defensive mechanism of the nerve system. It is quasi an big "gang switch" that breaks all motoric (= brain->muscles) nerve connections (with an few notable exceptions, such as the eye muscles). This is done to prevent the sleeper/dreamer of acting out movements in their dreams in the physical world. When sleeping say on a tree this could lead to falling down, that could be deadly. The eye muscles are not disconnected (no danger from moving them), so the eyes do the movements needed if the dream scenario were real, that gives the famous REMs (yes the eyes do the same movements while moving through the real world, it ist just difficult to record this). -- private: Neil.Franklin@ccw.ch.remove http://www.ccw.ch/Neil.Franklin/ office: franklin@arch.ethz.ch.remove http://caad.arch.ethz.ch/~franklin/ WinCE car, crashing soon on a road near you ###### Path: ccw.ch!elna.ethz.ch!news-zh.switch.ch!news.belnet.be!news-penn.gip.net!news-peer.gip.net!news.gsl.net!gip.net!newsfeed.direct.ca!Supernews73!supernews.com!nntp.flash.net!excalibur.flash.net!not-for-mail From: "Evelyn" Newsgroups: alt.out-of-body Subject: Re: Need paralysis? Date: 23 May 1998 05:38:29 GMT Organization: Flashnet Communications, http://www.flash.net Lines: 26 Message-ID: <01bd860e$28f74600$8a4c1ed1@logmein.flash.net> References: <356167F5.41C6@sanger.ac.uk> NNTP-Posting-Host: lash8-138.flash.net X-Newsreader: Microsoft Internet News 4.70.1155 I have never experienced paralysis. WHen OBE, I can be back in body quickly but sometimes experience a second or two of flowing back into my body before I am all there. After those 2 seconds, I can move no prob. I guess you could say that my body is paralyzed for the time in which I am not in it though. But then again, I have several times managed to speak physically while out of body, like they do at the Monroe Inst. However, the attention to the physical pulled me back both times. I would say that paralysis is not essential, just common. -- Trust in Allah, but tie up your camel. -Evelyn Tim wrote in article <356167F5.41C6@sanger.ac.uk>... > Hello! > > Is, the sleep paralysis stage, that a lot of people talk about, > something which needs to be acheived before you can leave your body? > Does everyone here have paralysis before a projection? or is it > something which some people experience and others don't? > > Thanks > > Tim. > ###### Path: ccw.ch!elna.ethz.ch!news-zh.switch.ch!news.belnet.be!news-penn.gip.net!news-peer.gip.net!news.gsl.net!gip.net!newsfeed.internetmci.com!206.124.0.31!pulsar.dimensional.com!dimensional.com!beetle.privatei.com!not-for-mail From: Ken Newsgroups: alt.out-of-body Subject: Re: Need paralysis? Date: Sat, 23 May 1998 10:29:28 -0600 Organization: Sound Sculpture Lines: 50 Message-ID: <3566F968.3512C2B8@soundsculpture.com> References: <356167F5.41C6@sanger.ac.uk> <01bd860e$28f74600$8a4c1ed1@logmein.flash.net> NNTP-Posting-Host: ppp17.privatei.com Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.04 [en] (Win95; I) A little while back I posted an OBE that I had where I seemed to be far far away and trying to talk with some women and children who were sitting around in a pasture having a picnic. When I was finally able to get the attention of one of the women, she turned to me and with a very serious and concerned look in her eye (very interesting eyes) she told me I shouldn't be there and that I was too far from my body and I might not be able to get back. I took this as a suggestion to get out of Dodge but I don't normally end my OBEs on purpose, they either end by themselves or I get frightened back. This time I had to return intentionally. The way I did this was to move a part of my physical body (I think it was my arm but can't remember). Even from where I was, I was able to (attempt to ) move my arm. I don't know how I was able to do that, but I could somehow tell the difference. The thing is, that I had trouble moving it because it was paralyzed. With enough effort, I broke the paralysis, and at that very moment I returned. This is a good tip for anyone concerned about whether they can get back or not. Here's a thought: (Deep Thoughts by Ken) There is an idea running around the paraphychology and scientific community that thought (will) originates outside the brain and causes the brain to respond accordingly. This as opposed to the idea that the activity or the brain creates thought. With this in mind, it might just be that when we are OB, since we are not in the physical, our thoughts do not cause the brain to respond as it normally would. So when we move an arm in the astral, either the astral arm moves and not the phsical or if we are intentionally trying to move the physical, we have a problem because the thought/brain connection is temporarily broken, hence paralysis. Ken Evelyn wrote: > > I have never experienced paralysis. WHen OBE, I can be back in body > quickly but sometimes experience a second or two of flowing back into my > body before I am all there. After those 2 seconds, I can move no prob. I > guess you could say that my body is paralyzed for the time in which I am > not in it though. But then again, I have several times managed to speak > physically while out of body, like they do at the Monroe Inst. However, > the attention to the physical pulled me back both times. I would say that > paralysis is not essential, just common. > > -- > Trust in Allah, but tie up your camel. > -Evelyn "Everything should be as simple as possible but not one bit simpler." -Albert Einstein ###### Path: ccw.ch!elna.ethz.ch!news-zh.switch.ch!news.belnet.be!news-penn.gip.net!news-peer.gip.net!news.gsl.net!gip.net!newshub.northeast.verio.net!ptdnetP!newsgate.ptd.net!nntp.flash.net!excalibur.flash.net!not-for-mail From: "Evelyn" Newsgroups: alt.out-of-body Subject: Re: Need paralysis? Date: 23 May 1998 23:06:51 GMT Organization: Flashnet Communications, http://www.flash.net Lines: 45 Message-ID: <01bd86a0$ac13a5a0$624c1ed1@logmein.flash.net> References: <356167F5.41C6@sanger.ac.uk> <01bd860e$28f74600$8a4c1ed1@logmein.flash.net> <3566F968.3512C2B8@soundsculpture.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: lash8-98.flash.net X-Newsreader: Microsoft Internet News 4.70.1155 Ken wrote in article <3566F968.3512C2B8@soundsculpture.com>... > A little while back I posted an OBE that I had where I seemed to be far > far away and trying to talk with some women and children who were > sitting around in a pasture having a picnic. When I was finally able to > get the attention of one of the women, she turned to me and with a very > serious and concerned look in her eye (very interesting eyes) she told > me I shouldn't be there and that I was too far from my body and I might > not be able to get back. > > I took this as a suggestion to get out of Dodge but I don't normally end > my OBEs on purpose, they either end by themselves or I get frightened > back. This time I had to return intentionally. The way I did this was > to move a part of my physical body (I think it was my arm but can't > remember). Even from where I was, I was able to (attempt to ) move my > arm. I don't know how I was able to do that, but I could somehow tell > the difference. The thing is, that I had trouble moving it because it > was paralyzed. With enough effort, I broke the paralysis, and at that > very moment I returned. This is a good tip for anyone concerned about > whether they can get back or not. > I only came back once on purpose. I just thought "return" and I was back. > Here's a thought: (Deep Thoughts by Ken) There is an idea running > around the paraphychology and scientific community that thought (will) > originates outside the brain and causes the brain to respond > accordingly. This as opposed to the idea that the activity or the brain > creates thought. With this in mind, it might just be that when we are > OB, since we are not in the physical, our thoughts do not cause the > brain to respond as it normally would. So when we move an arm in the > astral, either the astral arm moves and not the phsical or if we are > intentionally trying to move the physical, we have a problem because the > thought/brain connection is temporarily broken, hence paralysis. But the ability to move the finger at all would suggest that the connection was not completely broken. > > Ken -- Trust in Allah, but tie up your camel. -Evelyn ###### Path: ccw.ch!elna.ethz.ch!news-zh.switch.ch!news-ge.switch.ch!newsfeed.uk.ibm.net!sackheads.org!ibm.net!europa.clark.net!209.150.97.11!feeder.qis.net!feed.nntp.acc.ca!newsfeed.frii.net!beetle.privatei.com!not-for-mail From: Ken Newsgroups: alt.out-of-body Subject: Re: Need paralysis? Date: Sun, 24 May 1998 08:58:42 -0600 Organization: Sound Sculpture Lines: 46 Message-ID: <356835A2.DEE1992F@soundsculpture.com> References: <356167F5.41C6@sanger.ac.uk> <01bd860e$28f74600$8a4c1ed1@logmein.flash.net> <3566F968.3512C2B8@soundsculpture.com> <01bd86a0$ac13a5a0$624c1ed1@logmein.flash.net> NNTP-Posting-Host: ppp7.privatei.com Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.04 [en] (Win95; I) Hahaha, I knew you were going to say that. I was hoping you wouldn't but you did. So I ended up pacing my apartment, scratching my chin, sipping on my French Roast, looking for an answer. And I think I found it! One is never able to move anything in the physical body while out, only after one returns. While OB, you can try to move a finger but you are not successful, because you are not connected to your body. If you attempt to do so, eventually your finger will move, but only after you have returned. If there were a connection between the mind and body while out, then it seems to me that you should (with enough practice) be able to move your body remotely, you could stay out for weeks and just get your body to eat every once in awhile and go to work for you. So I must maintain my position that there is no connection between mind and body while out. But thanks for keeping me on my toes. Ken Evelyn wrote: > > Ken wrote in article > > Here's a thought: (Deep Thoughts by Ken) There is an idea running > > around the paraphychology and scientific community that thought (will) > > originates outside the brain and causes the brain to respond > > accordingly. This as opposed to the idea that the activity or the brain > > creates thought. With this in mind, it might just be that when we are > > OB, since we are not in the physical, our thoughts do not cause the > > brain to respond as it normally would. So when we move an arm in the > > astral, either the astral arm moves and not the phsical or if we are > > intentionally trying to move the physical, we have a problem because the > > thought/brain connection is temporarily broken, hence paralysis. > > But the ability to move the finger at all would suggest that the connection > was not completely broken. > > > > Ken > > -- > Trust in Allah, but tie up your camel. > -Evelyn "The speed of time is one second per second." -unknown ###### Path: ccw.ch!elna.ethz.ch!news-zh.switch.ch!news-ge.switch.ch!enews.sgi.com!news.idt.net!newspeer.monmouth.com!nntp.flash.net!excalibur.flash.net!not-for-mail From: "Evelyn" Newsgroups: alt.out-of-body Subject: Re: Need paralysis? Date: 24 May 1998 19:14:37 GMT Organization: Flashnet Communications, http://www.flash.net Lines: 70 Message-ID: <01bd8749$7690b7c0$d84e1ed1@logmein.flash.net> References: <356167F5.41C6@sanger.ac.uk> <01bd860e$28f74600$8a4c1ed1@logmein.flash.net> <3566F968.3512C2B8@soundsculpture.com> <01bd86a0$ac13a5a0$624c1ed1@logmein.flash.net> <356835A2.DEE1992F@soundsculpture.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: lash15-216.flash.net X-Newsreader: Microsoft Internet News 4.70.1155 Wait a minute! Don't you dare close the book just yet!! ;-) Do you remember reading in the Monroe trilogy about how they taught their travelers to be able to speak through their physical bodies the whole time they were oob? I have actually done this myself, although it was more by accident and not very controlled, so I know it is possible. I could feel my body making the words. Now you could make the arguement that we quickly return to body, say a few things and then return to our out of body place again over and over again really quickly, but I find this unlikely because when I return to body, I can always feel myself flow back and I get no such sensation when speaking. -- Trust in Allah, but tie up your camel. -Evelyn Ken wrote in article <356835A2.DEE1992F@soundsculpture.com>... > Hahaha, I knew you were going to say that. I was hoping you wouldn't > but you did. So I ended up pacing my apartment, scratching my chin, > sipping on my French Roast, looking for an answer. And I think I found > it! > > One is never able to move anything in the physical body while out, only > after one returns. While OB, you can try to move a finger but you are > not successful, because you are not connected to your body. If you > attempt to do so, eventually your finger will move, but only after you > have returned. If there were a connection between the mind and body > while out, then it seems to me that you should (with enough practice) be > able to move your body remotely, you could stay out for weeks and just > get your body to eat every once in awhile and go to work for you. > > So I must maintain my position that there is no connection between mind > and body while out. But thanks for keeping me on my toes. > > Ken > > Evelyn wrote: > > > > Ken wrote in article > > > > Here's a thought: (Deep Thoughts by Ken) There is an idea running > > > around the paraphychology and scientific community that thought (will) > > > originates outside the brain and causes the brain to respond > > > accordingly. This as opposed to the idea that the activity or the brain > > > creates thought. With this in mind, it might just be that when we are > > > OB, since we are not in the physical, our thoughts do not cause the > > > brain to respond as it normally would. So when we move an arm in the > > > astral, either the astral arm moves and not the phsical or if we are > > > intentionally trying to move the physical, we have a problem because the > > > thought/brain connection is temporarily broken, hence paralysis. > > > > But the ability to move the finger at all would suggest that the connection > > was not completely broken. > > > > > > Ken > > > > -- > > Trust in Allah, but tie up your camel. > > -Evelyn > > > "The speed of time is one second per second." > -unknown > ###### Path: ccw.ch!elna.ethz.ch!news-zh.switch.ch!news-ge.switch.ch!news.maxwell.syr.edu!news-peer.sprintlink.net!news.sprintlink.net!news-peer.gip.net!news.gsl.net!gip.net!newsfeed.internetmci.com!206.251.127.50!worldfeed.gte.net!newsfeed1.earthlink.net!nntp.earthlink.net!not-for-mail From: SweetVenom@usa.net Newsgroups: alt.out-of-body Subject: Re: Need paralysis? Date: Tue, 26 May 1998 00:49:28 GMT Organization: EarthLink Network, Inc. Lines: 27 Message-ID: <356e086d.8758120@news.earthlink.net> References: <356167F5.41C6@sanger.ac.uk> <01bd860e$28f74600$8a4c1ed1@logmein.flash.net> <3566F968.3512C2B8@soundsculpture.com> <01bd86a0$ac13a5a0$624c1ed1@logmein.flash.net> <356835A2.DEE1992F@soundsculpture.com> <01bd8749$7690b7c0$d84e1ed1@logmein.flash.net> NNTP-Posting-Host: pool031-max4.covina-ca-us.dialup.earthlink.net Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Newsreader: Forte Agent 1.5/16.451 >Ken wrote in article ><356835A2.DEE1992F@soundsculpture.com>... >> >> One is never able to move anything in the physical body while out, only >> after one returns. While OB, you can try to move a finger but you are >> not successful, because you are not connected to your body. If you >> attempt to do so, eventually your finger will move, but only after you >> have returned. If there were a connection between the mind and body >> while out, then it seems to me that you should (with enough practice) be >> able to move your body remotely, you could stay out for weeks and just >> get your body to eat every once in awhile and go to work for you. >> >> So I must maintain my position that there is no connection between mind >> and body while out. But thanks for keeping me on my toes. >> >> Ken > Your not completely separated from your body when you are out. When i astrally projected i could physically feel my body in bed while my astral body was floating. Also my consciousness was split in two; between the body on the bed and the one in the air. Though i was paralysed i don't think it is inconceivable that someone somewhere is able to project while at the same type moving their physical body. The physical body after all still breathes and that is only a semi-automatic function. Bob ###### From: "Lars Rune Foleide" Newsgroups: alt.out-of-body References: <356167F5.41C6@sanger.ac.uk> <01bd860e$28f74600$8a4c1ed1@logmein.flash.net> <3566F968.3512C2B8@soundsculpture.com> <01bd86a0$ac13a5a0$624c1ed1@logmein.flash.net> <356835A2.DEE1992F@soundsculpture.com> <01bd8749$7690b7c0$d84e1ed1@logmein.flash.net> <3568B4BD.156F0F@soundsculpture.com> Subject: Re: Need paralysis? Date: Wed, 3 Jun 1998 20:36:18 +0200 Lines: 51 X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.3105.0 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.3105.0 NNTP-Posting-Host: t1o204p60.telia.com X-NNTP-Posting-Host: t1o204p60.telia.com Message-ID: <357597ef.0@d2o204.telia.com> X-Complaints-To: abuse@telia.no Path: ccw.ch!elna.ethz.ch!news-zh.switch.ch!news-ge.switch.ch!news.maxwell.syr.edu!uninett.no!newsfeed50.telia.com!d2o204.telia.com!t1o204p60.telia.com When you can switch body with your soultwin. then that would suggest that you body is not paralyzed. But maybe the body is paralyzed when no spirit is controlling it. Ken wrote in message <3568B4BD.156F0F@soundsculpture.com>... >I still haven't read any of the Monroe books. Can you tell me which one >you are referring to here. I guess I need to read this for myself. > >As far as your experience, You said that you could feel your body making >the words. This is different than your body actually doing it. What I >mean is that I've had experiences where I tried to yell really loud from >my physical body, and I thought for sure that I did, but at the time I >was with my ex girlfriend and she said she heard nothing. So I only >thought I induced an action in the physical when in fact I did not. Are >you sure you actually made your physical body move it's mouth or speak >words and if so, please tell how you know. > >As far as the Monroe books, I don't have a response to that. I think >perhaps I better read the account first and then respond to it. I hope >you are wrong, cause I hate to have my whole theory go up in smoke. > >Ken > >Evelyn wrote: >> >> Wait a minute! Don't you dare close the book just yet!! ;-) >> Do you remember reading in the Monroe trilogy about how they taught their >> travelers to be able to speak through their physical bodies the whole time >> they were oob? I have actually done this myself, although it was more by >> accident and not very controlled, so I know it is possible. I could feel >> my body making the words. Now you could make the argument that we quickly >> return to body, say a few things and then return to our out of body place >> again over and over again really quickly, but I find this unlikely because >> when I return to body, I can always feel myself flow back and I get no such >> sensation when speaking. >> >> -- >> Trust in Allah, but tie up your camel. >> -Evelyn >> > > >"Black holes are where God divided by zero." >-unknown ###### Path: ccw.ch!elna.ethz.ch!news-zh.switch.ch!news.belnet.be!newspump.monmouth.com!newspeer.monmouth.com!netnews.com!news.idt.net!newsfeed.internetmci.com!207.217.77.43!newsfeed1.earthlink.net!nntp.earthlink.net!not-for-mail From: "R.Lee Swaim" Newsgroups: alt.out-of-body Subject: Re: Need paralysis? Date: Thu, 04 Jun 1998 23:16:36 -0500 Organization: EarthLink Network, Inc. Lines: 27 Message-ID: <35777124.2C43@earthlink.net> References: <356167F5.41C6@sanger.ac.uk> <01bd860e$28f74600$8a4c1ed1@logmein.flash.net> <3566F968.3512C2B8@soundsculpture.com> <01bd86a0$ac13a5a0$624c1ed1@logmein.flash.net> <356835A2.DEE1992F@soundsculpture.com> <01bd8749$7690b7c0$d84e1ed1@logmein.flash.net> <3568B4BD.156F0F@soundsculpture.com> <357597ef.0@d2o204.telia.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: 1cust162.tnt1.corpus-christi.tx.da.uu.net Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Mozilla 3.04 (Win95; I) Lars Rune Foleide wrote: > > When you can switch body with your soultwin. then that would suggest > that you body is not paralyzed. > > But maybe the body is paralyzed when no spirit is controlling it. Projection normally happens at the transition to REM. Sleep paralysis is associated with that. Psychologists theorize many things for this, one being it allows one to dream and act out conflicts from the day with our consciousness and prevent our body from following along. We normally put our mind and body to sleep at the same time. After the body is down, we come up to REM stage sleep and with the body asleep can safely use our mental faculties now detached from the physical. When we project, we clarify our consciousness and take full control, and with the body in sleep paralysis, leap out safely. This is mostly Theta wave from what I hear, but I have read enough to know there is no clear cut boundary between alpha, delta, theta and all to say there are distinct and separate states. So it might be possible to have the body in sleep paralysis and yet not in a full REM state, to be in and out of it enough to allow partial function, such as talking but being unable to move a limb. Not much published on that, the best I found was "With the Eyes of the Mind-An Empirical Analysis of Out-of-Body States" by Glen O. Gabbard and Stuart W. Twemlow. The book is at the LSU library in Baton Rouge, but I haven't seen it anywhere else, I am on amazon.com's waiting list for 1 year now on that one. I need to go back there and just copy the thing.