From: tom hortmer Newsgroups: alt.out-of-body Subject: OBE and time travel..... Date: Tue, 17 Feb 1998 09:37:06 -0800 Organization: EarthLink Network, Inc. Lines: 49 Message-ID: <34E9CAC2.E2C3C8D@earthlink.net> Reply-To: tvh25@earthlink.net NNTP-Posting-Host: 208.254.8.45 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.02 [en]C-DIAL (Win95; U) Path: ccw.ch!aetna.dolphins.ch!news.planetc.com!leto.ou.edu!hammer.uoregon.edu!logbridge.uoregon.edu!news.maxwell.syr.edu!news.idt.net!streamer1.cleveland.iagnet.net!qual.net!iagnet.net!198.6.0.87!uunet!in3.uu.net!nntp.earthlink.net!usenet Hello, As someone who has been attempting OBE travel during the past week, without true success - although I have entered the tingling stage approximately twelve times, the numbing stage approximately six times and the vibrational state on one occasion. The night I experienced the vibrational state was also the night I had two of the most vivid and calming dreams of my life - even now, three days later I recall them with as much or more clarity than if they has really happened. I have no doubt that I am on the right track, and was I get better at controlling my mind once a sleep or in deep meditation will participate in a OBE. Obviously it wont happen until I am truly ready, surly my spirit guide will know when that time is right. In the meantime, I have read a couple books on the subject and they infer that time is fluid inter-diminsionally. My question to anyone that is actively having OBE's is if you can go back in time a few days, a week or a month is it possible to alter time. William Buhlman, in his book "Adventures Beyond the Mind" also refers to being able to control density while out of body by issuing the right affirmations - could you use that technique to physically stall or delay something from happening? Even if you could, is that or would that be allowed - or is your ever present spirit guide going to send you back into the body at the first sign of attempting to change the time line? I know this posting sounds more like a Sci-Fi episode than it does real life, but I must ask. I suspect that once you experience OBE that you somehow know that altering the past is wrong. By then, you know that life is really never ending, and that death in the physical world simply allows you to return home to heaven (for lack of better name). Why, simply because you are suffering from the death of a loved one should you attempt to bring him or her back into the physical world, when that person is somewhere far more loving and comfortable? It wouldn't be right.... But, I am still interested in knowing if you could change the time line if the opportunity presented itself? Sincerely, Thomas V. Horstmann, Jr. Tacoma, WA ###### From: msieweke@nospam.ix.netcom.com (Mike Sieweke) Newsgroups: alt.out-of-body Subject: Re: OBE and time travel..... Date: Tue, 17 Feb 1998 16:52:08 -0500 Organization: Netcom Lines: 19 Message-ID: References: <34E9CAC2.E2C3C8D@earthlink.net> NNTP-Posting-Host: aug-ga1-17.ix.netcom.com X-NETCOM-Date: Tue Feb 17 1:53:37 PM PST 1998 X-Newsreader: MT-NewsWatcher 2.3.5 Path: ccw.ch!aetna.dolphins.ch!news.planetc.com!newsfeed.usit.net!news.clark.net!europa.clark.net!208.134.241.18!newsfeed.internetmci.com!206.214.99.1!ix.netcom.com!msieweke tvh25@earthlink.net wrote: > But, I am still interested in knowing if you could change the time line > if the opportunity presented itself? The simple answer is yes, but it won't produce the result you expect. You would be limited to what you could do without a physical body. So you could warn someone about a future tragedy *if you can get their attention*. And the change would create a new probability system. The other probability system might have the change you desire, but it would be on a different branch. You would not experience it physically. There is not just one linear time system, and paradox doesn't exist. Time doesn't flow in the way we are accustomed to thinking. -- Mike Sieweke - msieweke@ix.netcom.com http://www.netcom.com/~msieweke ###### From: alexa.james@nashville.com (Alexa James) Newsgroups: alt.out-of-body Subject: Re: OBE and time travel..... Date: Wed, 18 Feb 1998 17:46:06 GMT Organization: All USENET -- http://www.Supernews.com Message-ID: <34eb1deb.1574205@news.nashville.com> References: <34E9CAC2.E2C3C8D@earthlink.net> Reply-To: alexa.james@nashville.com NNTP-Posting-Host: 7095@207.65.180.142 X-Newsreader: Forte Free Agent 1.11/16.235 Lines: 19 Path: ccw.ch!aetna.dolphins.ch!news.planetc.com!leto.ou.edu!news.onenet.net!news.oru.edu!woodstock.news.demon.net!demon!howland.erols.net!news.pagesat.net!news.he.net!Supernews60!supernews.com!Supernews69!not-for-mail I couldn't resist answering this one, even though I don't have an answer. I've been doing a lot of reading lately on the paralell universe theory in theoretical physics. That theory, VERY simply put, is that any attempt to change the timeline would simply shift you into a parallel universe where the action you performed had already occured and therefore didn't affect the future. That sounds odd, I know. Read some of the books out there on parallel universes and quantum theory, though, and you might get at least one answer to your question. Alexa >But, I am still interested in knowing if you could change the time line >if the opportunity presented itself? > > > ###### From: alexa.james@nashville.com (Alexa James) Newsgroups: alt.out-of-body Subject: Re: OBE and time travel..... Date: Sat, 21 Feb 1998 16:07:04 GMT Organization: All USENET -- http://www.Supernews.com Lines: 43 Message-ID: <34eefb8f.69339022@news.nashville.com> References: <34E9CAC2.E2C3C8D@earthlink.net> <34eb1deb.1574205@news.nashville.com> <6cnkfc$dbd@suriname.earthlink.net> Reply-To: alexa.james@nashville.com NNTP-Posting-Host: 18189@207.65.180.126 X-Newsreader: Forte Free Agent 1.11/16.235 Path: ccw.ch!aetna.dolphins.ch!news.planetc.com!newsfeed.usit.net!news.vt.edu!solaris.cc.vt.edu!newsrelay.netins.net!nntp.kreonet.re.kr!xfer.kren.nm.kr!news.maxwell.syr.edu!Supernews60!supernews.com!Supernews69!not-for-mail Sorry, Aaron! YOu had me right up until the part about OBE's being dangerous and forbidden by God. Alexa On Sat, 21 Feb 1998 16:23:06 -0600, "Aaron Blanco" wrote: > >Alexa James wrote in message <34eb1deb.1574205@news.nashville.com>... >>I couldn't resist answering this one, even though I don't have an >>answer. I've been doing a lot of reading lately on the paralell >>universe theory in theoretical physics. That theory, VERY simply put, >>is that any attempt to change the timeline would simply shift you into >>a parallel universe where the action you performed had already occured >>and therefore didn't affect the future. That sounds odd, I know. >>Read some of the books out there on parallel universes and quantum >>theory, though, and you might get at least one answer to your >>question. >> >>Alexa > >That's why they call it "Theoretical Physics." What about the basic >principle that time and space/matter must always co-exist together? The >simple problem with your (plural) juxtapositions is that, although time may >not be linear in the sense we know it, and although there is indeed a >non-physical plane operating "underneath" the physical world we see >everyday, to travel "back in time" in order to change an event or course of >events is sheer folly. There would be no way to re-introduce your physical >self from the "future" back into the physical world of the past in order to >effect any change. To envision yourself going back and making changes >without the physical body is called, simply, "dreaming." And since time AND >space/matter must all be present at once to be called an actual reality, any >claims to the contrary are mere conjecture and fable. OBE's are, of course, >reality. But they are dangerous, forbidden by the one who rules this >universe (Yahweh, the God of the Bible) and always puts the OBE'er at the >mercy of a spirit who, like it or not, really doesn't have your best >interest in mind. If changing the past were possible, wouldn't we have >heard much more about it outside of Hollywood? > > ###### From: "Aaron Blanco" Newsgroups: alt.out-of-body Subject: Re: OBE and time travel..... Date: Sat, 21 Feb 1998 16:23:06 -0600 Organization: EarthLink Network, Inc. Lines: 33 Message-ID: <6cnkfc$dbd@suriname.earthlink.net> References: <34E9CAC2.E2C3C8D@earthlink.net> <34eb1deb.1574205@news.nashville.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: 153.36.236.12 X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.2106.4 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.2106.4 Path: ccw.ch!aetna.dolphins.ch!news.planetc.com!leto.ou.edu!hammer.uoregon.edu!logbridge.uoregon.edu!europa.clark.net!208.134.240.140!newsfeed.internetmci.com!206.250.118.17!nntp.earthlink.net!usenet Alexa James wrote in message <34eb1deb.1574205@news.nashville.com>... >I couldn't resist answering this one, even though I don't have an >answer. I've been doing a lot of reading lately on the paralell >universe theory in theoretical physics. That theory, VERY simply put, >is that any attempt to change the timeline would simply shift you into >a parallel universe where the action you performed had already occured >and therefore didn't affect the future. That sounds odd, I know. >Read some of the books out there on parallel universes and quantum >theory, though, and you might get at least one answer to your >question. > >Alexa That's why they call it "Theoretical Physics." What about the basic principle that time and space/matter must always co-exist together? The simple problem with your (plural) juxtapositions is that, although time may not be linear in the sense we know it, and although there is indeed a non-physical plane operating "underneath" the physical world we see everyday, to travel "back in time" in order to change an event or course of events is sheer folly. There would be no way to re-introduce your physical self from the "future" back into the physical world of the past in order to effect any change. To envision yourself going back and making changes without the physical body is called, simply, "dreaming." And since time AND space/matter must all be present at once to be called an actual reality, any claims to the contrary are mere conjecture and fable. OBE's are, of course, reality. But they are dangerous, forbidden by the one who rules this universe (Yahweh, the God of the Bible) and always puts the OBE'er at the mercy of a spirit who, like it or not, really doesn't have your best interest in mind. If changing the past were possible, wouldn't we have heard much more about it outside of Hollywood? ###### From: "rbwalton" Newsgroups: alt.out-of-body Subject: Re: OBE and time travel..... Date: Sun, 22 Feb 1998 17:34:17 -0800 Organization: Verio Northern California's Usenet News Service Lines: 52 Message-ID: <6cqkeh$poj$4@news.ncal.verio.com> References: <34E9CAC2.E2C3C8D@earthlink.net> <34eb1deb.1574205@news.nashville.com> <6cnkfc$dbd@suriname.earthlink.net> NNTP-Posting-Host: 206.99.117.156 X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.71.1712.3 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.71.1712.3 Path: ccw.ch!aetna.dolphins.ch!news.planetc.com!leto.ou.edu!hammer.uoregon.edu!logbridge.uoregon.edu!newsfeed.direct.ca!newsfeed.wli.net!peerfeed.ncal.verio.net!news.ncal.verio.com!not-for-mail How is it that OOBE is forbidden by the "ruler of the universe"? Before I started to have them, I did not think there was such an entity. . . Now I am sure if there is, they would want us to do, and know about this. Anyway. . .. I did not have a choice. I tried to stop in the beginning. They would not let me. Now I am glad they persisted. -- To respond, delete #nospam# rbwalton@#nospam#outrageous.net Or, visit web page for some useful links. . . www.angelfire.com/ca/onestepbeyond/ Aaron Blanco wrote in message <6cnkfc$dbd@suriname.earthlink.net>... > >Alexa James wrote in message <34eb1deb.1574205@news.nashville.com>... >>I couldn't resist answering this one, even though I don't have an >>answer. I've been doing a lot of reading lately on the paralell >>universe theory in theoretical physics. That theory, VERY simply put, >>is that any attempt to change the timeline would simply shift you into >>a parallel universe where the action you performed had already occured >>and therefore didn't affect the future. That sounds odd, I know. >>Read some of the books out there on parallel universes and quantum >>theory, though, and you might get at least one answer to your >>question. >> >>Alexa > >That's why they call it "Theoretical Physics." What about the basic >principle that time and space/matter must always co-exist together? The >simple problem with your (plural) juxtapositions is that, although time may >not be linear in the sense we know it, and although there is indeed a >non-physical plane operating "underneath" the physical world we see >everyday, to travel "back in time" in order to change an event or course of >events is sheer folly. There would be no way to re-introduce your physical >self from the "future" back into the physical world of the past in order to >effect any change. To envision yourself going back and making changes >without the physical body is called, simply, "dreaming." And since time AND >space/matter must all be present at once to be called an actual reality, any >claims to the contrary are mere conjecture and fable. OBE's are, of course, >reality. But they are dangerous, forbidden by the one who rules this >universe (Yahweh, the God of the Bible) and always puts the OBE'er at the >mercy of a spirit who, like it or not, really doesn't have your best >interest in mind. If changing the past were possible, wouldn't we have >heard much more about it outside of Hollywood? > >