From: gingerkely@aol.com (GingerKely) Newsgroups: alt.out-of-body Subject: A theory behind the OBE roaring sound Date: 23 Jan 1998 21:55:11 GMT Lines: 12 Message-ID: <19980123215500.QAA15795@ladder01.news.aol.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: ladder01.news.aol.com X-Admin: news@aol.com Organization: AOL http://www.aol.com Path: ccw.ch!aetna.dolphins.ch!news.planetc.com!news-xfer.siscom.net!streamer1.cleveland.iagnet.net!qual.net!131.103.1.116!news2.chicago.iagnet.net!iagnet.net!152.163.199.35!portc01.blue.aol.com!audrey01.news.aol.com!not-for-mail I was practicing very controlled astral projection last night, and I was paying special attention to the perceptions present. I heard the roaring sound, like water rushing, very loud, as I've read about before. I usually only hear silence during my OBEs. My theory is that it is a form of super-sensitive inner body perception, and that the sound is actually the sound of blood rushing through the body. During an NDE I had years ago I heard a similar sound. I am pretty convinced of this theory. I didn't hear the sound anymore once I'd completely left the body and put some space between us. Any ideas? Agreement or disagreement? Ginger ###### From: Trish Newsgroups: alt.out-of-body Subject: Re: A theory behind the OBE roaring sound Date: Fri, 23 Jan 1998 23:19:37 -0500 Organization: gte.net Lines: 22 Message-ID: <6abq1j$485$1@gte2.gte.net> References: <19980123215500.QAA15795@ladder01.news.aol.com> Reply-To: capuchin@gte.net NNTP-Posting-Host: 1cust30.tnt1.new-port-richey.fl.gt.uu.net Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Auth: D50092045282CDDA18958491 X-Mailer: Mozilla 3.0Gold (Win95; I) Path: ccw.ch!aetna.dolphins.ch!news.planetc.com!wilbur.ohww.norman.ok.us!news.gte.net!not-for-mail GingerKely wrote: > > I was practicing very controlled astral projection last night, and I was paying > special attention to the perceptions present. I heard the roaring sound, like > water rushing, very loud, as I've read about before. I usually only hear > silence during my OBEs. My theory is that it is a form of super-sensitive > inner body perception, and that the sound is actually the sound of blood > rushing through the body. During an NDE I had years ago I heard a similar > sound. I am pretty convinced of this theory. I didn't hear the sound anymore > once I'd completely left the body and put some space between us. > > Any ideas? Agreement or disagreement? > > Ginger Ginger, It's possible. Many people also experience a quickness of pulse. Closing in on the OBE state, the physical senses shut off, and I believe hearing may be the last to go. Trish ###### From: Ken Newsgroups: alt.out-of-body Subject: Re: A theory behind the OBE roaring sound Date: Sat, 24 Jan 1998 21:00:53 -0700 Organization: Sound Sculpture Lines: 30 Message-ID: <34CAB8F5.32D7@soundsculpture.com> References: <19980123215500.QAA15795@ladder01.news.aol.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: ppp18.privatei.com Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Mozilla 3.01Gold (Win95; I) Path: ccw.ch!aetna.dolphins.ch!news.planetc.com!leto.ou.edu!hammer.uoregon.edu!arclight.uoregon.edu!newsfeed.internetmci.com!199.60.229.5!newsfeed.direct.ca!news.he.net!pulsar.dimensional.com!coop.net!beetle.privatei.com!not-for-mail This is an interesting thread. I had an OBE not too long ago and I remember the moment of separation very vividly because at the time I was interested in the whole noise thing myself and wanted to study it more closely. I was at a stage where the rushing sound was getting very loud and I knew it was time to begin separating, so I rolled out (as I usually do anymore) but paid very close attention to the sound as I was doing so. The result surprised me. The sound stayed with me until I had been out a few seconds (a foot or so away) and then the sound smoothly but quickly disappeared and all was silent. I can't help but wonder why the sound stuck with me after separation instead of just instantly disappearing, or more sensibly, why the sound just didn't just stay with me the whole trip? Does the process of separation cause a change in the may the mind is focusing causing a shift from hyper-audio-sensitivity (if that's what happens) to something else? Hmmmm, what does everytone think? Ken GingerKely wrote: > > I was practicing very controlled astral projection last night, and I was paying > special attention to the perceptions present. I heard the roaring sound, like > water rushing, very loud, as I've read about before. I usually only hear > silence during my OBEs. My theory is that it is a form of super-sensitive > inner body perception, and that the sound is actually the sound of blood > rushing through the body. >(snip) ###### Newsgroups: alt.out-of-body From: mtwomey@netcom.com (Michael Twomey) Subject: Re: A theory behind the OBE roaring sound Message-ID: Organization: Netcom On-Line Services X-Newsreader: TIN [version 1.2 PL2] References: <19980123215500.QAA15795@ladder01.news.aol.com> Date: Mon, 26 Jan 1998 05:38:06 GMT Lines: 18 Sender: mtwomey@netcom19.netcom.com Path: ccw.ch!aetna.dolphins.ch!news.planetc.com!newsfeed.usit.net!newspeer.monmouth.com!ix.netcom.com!mtwomey GingerKely (gingerkely@aol.com) wrote: : I was practicing very controlled astral projection last night, : and I was paying special... If you were ever to find yourself in an anechoic chamber you would find that you can hear the _pulsing_ sound of your blood and it does not sound like a roar. If you don't have a problem with astral projection what is the problem with the source of the sound being non-physical in it's source? Sometimes its fine to say, "I don't know." I certainly don't know where the sound comes from, but it is not the rushing sound of blood flow. Bet cha a quarter. 8-) Mike Twomey ###### From: bartma12@ix.netcom.com(Bart Scott) Newsgroups: alt.out-of-body Subject: Re: A theory behind the OBE roaring sound Date: 26 Jan 1998 10:54:15 GMT Organization: Netcom Lines: 15 Message-ID: <6ahq0n$fap@dfw-ixnews8.ix.netcom.com> References: <19980123215500.QAA15795@ladder01.news.aol.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: clv-oh42-19.ix.netcom.com X-NETCOM-Date: Mon Jan 26 4:54:15 AM CST 1998 Path: ccw.ch!aetna.dolphins.ch!news.planetc.com!newsfeed.usit.net!newsxfer.visi.net!europa.clark.net!204.59.152.222!news-peer.gip.net!news.gsl.net!gip.net!ix.netcom.com!news In mtwomey@netcom.com (Michael Twomey) writes: > >GingerKely (gingerkely@aol.com) wrote: >: I was practicing very controlled astral projection last night, >: and I was paying special... > >If you were ever to find yourself in an anechoic chamber you would >find that you can hear the _pulsing_ sound of your blood and it does >not sound like a roar. Arterial blood flow pulses. Venous blood flow has very little pulse to it. It is more of a steady stream. Bart ###### From: gingerkely@aol.com (GingerKely) Newsgroups: alt.out-of-body Subject: Re: A theory behind the OBE roaring sound Date: 27 Jan 1998 00:18:12 GMT Lines: 6 Message-ID: <19980127001800.TAA15752@ladder02.news.aol.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: ladder02.news.aol.com X-Admin: news@aol.com Organization: AOL http://www.aol.com References: <6ahq0n$fap@dfw-ixnews8.ix.netcom.com> Path: ccw.ch!aetna.dolphins.ch!news.planetc.com!newsfeed.usit.net!news-spur1.maxwell.syr.edu!news.maxwell.syr.edu!howland.erols.net!portc02.blue.aol.com!audrey02.news.aol.com!not-for-mail >Arterial blood flow pulses. Venous blood flow has very little pulse to >it. It is more of a steady stream. > >Bart Thank you, Bart. ###### From: gingerkely@aol.com (GingerKely) Newsgroups: alt.out-of-body Subject: Re: A theory behind the OBE roaring sound Date: 27 Jan 1998 00:32:43 GMT Lines: 30 Message-ID: <19980127003200.TAA18250@ladder02.news.aol.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: ladder02.news.aol.com X-Admin: news@aol.com Organization: AOL http://www.aol.com References: Path: ccw.ch!aetna.dolphins.ch!news.planetc.com!newsfeed.usit.net!news-dc-3.sprintlink.net!news-dc-1.sprintlink.net!news-east.sprintlink.net!news-peer.sprintlink.net!news.sprintlink.net!Sprint!cpk-news-hub1.bbnplanet.com!news.bbnplanet.com!portc02.blue.aol.com!audrey02.news.aol.com!not-for-mail >If you don't have a problem with astral projection what is the problem >with the source of the sound being non-physical in it's source? > >Sometimes its fine to say, "I don't know." I certainly don't know where >the sound comes from, but it is not the rushing sound of blood flow. > >Bet cha a quarter. 8-) > >Mike Twomey > Mike, I felt your response to my post was almost offensive. I was not trying to explain away EVERYONE's "rushing" or "roaring" sounds, just offering a theory. Relax a little. Our various sounds may all be coming from a thousand different sources. But it is very common for the sound to shut off after departure from the body. This lends itself to the physical sound theory. I have had two near-death experiences and some very heavy-duty illnesses in my life. I have been acutely aware of some physical sounds that take place within the body that most people do not often hear. The sound I heard during last week's OBE was very similar to the sound of blood rushing through my body. Yes, I have heard the pulsing/rushing of blood too, but Bart had a point about blood flow. I often utter the phrase "I don't know," but it doesn't keep me from exploring the answers, offering opinions based on my own experience, and seeking opinions from others. Thank you for yours. Ginger ###### From: RiKi Tarbox Newsgroups: alt.out-of-body Subject: Re: A theory behind the OBE roaring sound Date: Tue, 27 Jan 1998 07:21:41 -0500 Organization: Pagesz.net Lines: 38 Message-ID: References: <19980127085801.DAA25738@ladder02.news.aol.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: nina.pagesz.net Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII In-Reply-To: <19980127085801.DAA25738@ladder02.news.aol.com> Path: ccw.ch!aetna.dolphins.ch!news.planetc.com!newsfeed.usit.net!news-dc-3.sprintlink.net!news-dc-1.sprintlink.net!news-east.sprintlink.net!news-peer.sprintlink.net!news.sprintlink.net!Sprint!newsfeed.direct.ca!Supernews60!supernews.com!uunet!in5.uu.net!pinta.pagesz.net!nina.pagesz.net!ratbox On 27 Jan 1998, MarkenAdms wrote: > > problem with the source of the sound being non-physical in it's > > source? > > This is also a quite good point. But supposing astral projection to exist and > supposing it to occur in a particular way according to particular norms of > experiencing it need to be treated a separate questions, I feel. We might > suppose that there are senses or analogs to senses in the astral projected > state and that they involve nonphysical operations, but would they necessarily > be precise as analogs in mirroring senses that are physically based? It's > possible a perception of "sound" is from a nonphysical source, but perhaps we'd > want to have extra reason to make such an attribution when the phenomenon > experienced so closely resembles something already quite familiar. > Nonphisical?I think so,in one of my floating in the darkness states which I'm not sure what to call,I heard an unusually loud rushing sound,when I woke I realized it was the fan in my room running,perhaps it's the airconditioning or heating unit running?Every body has one? When asleep aditory senses still pick up outside sounds,since it's seems to be a transitional period(for me anyways)and Your still conected with your phisical body you could be picking up anything. I never really paid much attention to what sounds I could hear(I will from now on)but does everybody who has been,hear the exact same rushing sound every time?I do remember some buzzing from time to time. Just a thought, RiKi <---------------------------------------------------------------------> < " The whole worlds indeed a stage,we are merely players, > < performers and portray'ers, > < and each and others an audience to keep oneself in time." > <---------------------------------------------------------------------> ###### From: markenadms@aol.com (MarkenAdms) Newsgroups: alt.out-of-body Subject: Re: A theory behind the OBE roaring sound Date: 27 Jan 1998 08:58:26 GMT Lines: 35 Message-ID: <19980127085801.DAA25738@ladder02.news.aol.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: ladder02.news.aol.com X-Admin: news@aol.com Organization: AOL http://www.aol.com References: Path: ccw.ch!aetna.dolphins.ch!news.planetc.com!newsfeed.usit.net!news-dc-3.sprintlink.net!news-dc-1.sprintlink.net!news-east.sprintlink.net!news-peer.sprintlink.net!news.sprintlink.net!Sprint!newsfeed.internetmci.com!152.163.199.19!portc03.blue.aol.com!audrey02.news.aol.com!not-for-mail >From: mtwomey@netcom.com (Michael Twomey) > If you were ever to find yourself in an anechoic chamber you > would find that you can hear the _pulsing_ sound of your blood > and it does not sound like a roar. Hmmm. This sounds like a good fact to know. But I'm worried about asserting that what each person would or wouldn't hear is or isn't some particular thing. People might vary in their perception of similar stimulae. > If you don't have a problem with astral projection what is the > problem with the source of the sound being non-physical in it's > source? This is also a quite good point. But supposing astral projection to exist and supposing it to occur in a particular way according to particular norms of experiencing it need to be treated a separate questions, I feel. We might suppose that there are senses or analogs to senses in the astral projected state and that they involve nonphysical operations, but would they necessarily be precise as analogs in mirroring senses that are physically based? It's possible a perception of "sound" is from a nonphysical source, but perhaps we'd want to have extra reason to make such an attribution when the phenomenon experienced so closely resembles something already quite familiar. >Sometimes its fine to say, "I don't know." I certainly don't know > where the sound comes from, but it is not the rushing sound of > blood flow. I agree it's fine, perhaps even best often times, to say one doesn't know. ---- The world insists on being exactly the way it really is,--- --- no matter how little *sense* that makes. --- ###### From: markenadms@aol.com (MarkenAdms) Newsgroups: alt.out-of-body Subject: Re: A theory behind the OBE roaring sound Date: 27 Jan 1998 09:04:34 GMT Lines: 21 Message-ID: <19980127090401.EAA25987@ladder02.news.aol.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: ladder02.news.aol.com X-Admin: news@aol.com Organization: AOL http://www.aol.com References: <19980127003200.TAA18250@ladder02.news.aol.com> Path: ccw.ch!aetna.dolphins.ch!news.planetc.com!newsfeed.usit.net!news-spur1.maxwell.syr.edu!news.maxwell.syr.edu!europa.clark.net!208.134.241.18!newsfeed.internetmci.com!152.163.199.19!portc03.blue.aol.com!audrey02.news.aol.com!not-for-mail >From: gingerkely@aol.com (GingerKely) > it is very common for the sound to shut off after > departure from the body. This lends itself to the physical sound > theory. I think that's a strong argument, though not conclusive. We'd be "thinking horses, not zebras" in response to "hearing hoofbeats" (borrowing from a medical maxim of diagnosis) in following this theory. > The sound I heard during last week's OBE was very similar to > the sound of blood rushing through my body. Yes, I have > heard the pulsing/rushing of blood too, but Thanks for making this distinction. I hadn't picked up on this before. ---- The world insists on being exactly the way it really is,--- --- no matter how little *sense* that makes. --- ###### From: Trish Newsgroups: alt.out-of-body Subject: Re: A theory behind the OBE roaring sound Date: Tue, 27 Jan 1998 22:31:26 -0500 Organization: gte.net Lines: 27 Message-ID: <6am8nj$lsr$1@gte2.gte.net> References: <19980127085801.DAA25738@ladder02.news.aol.com> Reply-To: capuchin@gte.net NNTP-Posting-Host: 1cust99.tnt2.new-port-richey.fl.gt.uu.net Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Auth: D5009D4D0D82CD8253D28491 X-Mailer: Mozilla 3.0Gold (Win95; I) Path: ccw.ch!aetna.dolphins.ch!news.planetc.com!leto.ou.edu!news.ecn.uoknor.edu!news.ysu.edu!usenet.INS.CWRU.Edu!vncnews!HSNX.wco.com!newsfeed.avtel.net!news.silcom.com!news.genuity.net!nntp.news.xara.net!xara.net!rill.news.pipex.net!pipex!news-peer-east.sprintlink.net!news-peer.sprintlink.net!news.sprintlink.net!Sprint!news.maxwell.syr.edu!newsfeed.gte.net!news.gte.net!not-for-mail MarkenAdms wrote: > This is also a quite good point. But supposing astral projection to exist and > supposing it to occur in a particular way according to particular norms of > experiencing it need to be treated a separate questions, I feel. We might > suppose that there are senses or analogs to senses in the astral projected > state and that they involve nonphysical operations, but would they necessarily > be precise as analogs in mirroring senses that are physically based? It's > possible a perception of "sound" is from a nonphysical source, but perhaps we'd > want to have extra reason to make such an attribution when the phenomenon > experienced so closely resembles something already quite familiar. The above has to be the most thought provoking statement I've seen posted in quite some time. Thanks for contributing it. I have a question. Let's assume that our consciousness interacts with the world through our physical senses. Now during an OBE state, our physcial senses are no longer available. Are the OBE images we see and experience simply projected to fill a need that our consciousness seeks out of habit? Also, what would happen if our 'replicated' OBE senses were suddenly not available during an OBE (similar to the way our physical senses are not available when we fall asleep)? What would we experience? Nothing? A black void? An OBE within an OBE? Or would we simply wake up? Trish ###### From: atreyu11@aol.com (Atreyu 11) Newsgroups: alt.out-of-body Subject: Re: A theory behind the OBE roaring sound Date: 29 Jan 1998 04:55:52 GMT Lines: 38 Message-ID: <19980129045500.XAA13049@ladder03.news.aol.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: ladder03.news.aol.com X-Admin: news@aol.com Organization: AOL http://www.aol.com References: Path: ccw.ch!aetna.dolphins.ch!news.planetc.com!newsfeed.usit.net!news.clark.net!europa.clark.net!4.1.16.34!cpk-news-hub1.bbnplanet.com!news.bbnplanet.com!portc02.blue.aol.com!audrey01.news.aol.com!not-for-mail Michael Twomey (mtwomey@netcom.com) wrote: <> I also wonder if arterial flow has at least a contributing factor to the noise. In my experience with patients at the university audiology clinic where I am a graduate student, I have heard many reports from patients who could hear their own heartbeat or arterial flow while inside the soundproof testing booth. This is particularly true of those patients who concentrated on the pure-tone hearing tests to the exclusion of nearly anything else. This sound has been described to me most often as a pulsing noise (and in one instance the person said that she could hear a humming sound as well), which is strikingly similar to some of the reports of the noise while attempting to induce an OBE. I inquired about this phenomenon of hearing one's own heartbeats with one of my audiology professors, and he confirmed that this is indeed a fairly common occurrence. So, I wonder if the methods used to induce an OBE can also increase a person's capacity to hear the arterial flow (the humming) or the heartbeat proper (the pulsing). After all, one method I've heard described to me is that of narrowing down one's consciousness or concentration and simply being passive in what happens afterwards...this method has a superficial resemblance to that of concentrating on the hearing test to the exclusion of everything else, and being in a soundproof booth with TDH-39 earphones will simply amplify the chances of hearing internal sounds. Just a thought.