From: "v" Newsgroups: alt.support.schizophrenia,alt.christnet.demonology,alt.satanism,alt.out-of-body,sci.psychology.psychotherapy Subject: attempted exorcism Date: Mon, 12 Jan 1998 12:25:34 -0600 Organization: v Lines: 76 Message-ID: <69gajh$1lm$1@lal.interserv.com> References: <699gdk$j35$1@twwells.com> <19980112031301.WAA21094@ladder01.news.aol.com> <69g9sp$q7v$1@lal.interserv.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: hdn85-138.hil.compuserve.com X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.2106.4 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.2106.4 Path: ccw.ch!aetna.dolphins.ch!news.planetc.com!news-xfer.siscom.net!streamer1.cleveland.iagnet.net!qual.net!iagnet.net!newsfeed.internetmci.com!206.214.99.1!ix.netcom.com!news-outbound.compuserve.com!news-master.compuserve.com!arl-news-svc-8.compuserve.com!newsgate.compuserve.com!news-hub.interserv.net!news.interserv.com!not-for-mail Spoiler added, just in case (subject title) 10 9 8 7 6 5 4 3 2 1 Some cases of dissociative identity disorder are, indeed, cases of spiritual presence, and are "not" of split personality. Both of you used general terms, such as "us", in your denials. Your "us" does not include me: It excludes me. Ed possibly just assumed the same (us, as one), of all dissociatives. Spiritual possession is medically defined as a dissociative disorder. I found Ed's input very interesting. After all, how often is it that one is medically diagnosed with "spirit". I ran straight to the book store, but found that the book was out-of-print, and will check with the state libraries, this afternoon. Just want these tools, in my toolbox. In Dr. Jim Stevenson's reply, he suggested the same (all are one), when he spoke about integrati*n, and angry alters. What people need to know about Stevenson, is that he regards all religion and all spirituality as "psychotic". (I looked at his profile). What most professions fear, in cases of spiritual possession, is that the spirits are known to physically attack the therapist, exorcist, or physician; using the patient's body and limbs. The same could happen in cases of split personality. Self harm is also a factor, in both cases. I don't really know how to put this, so I'll just blurt it out; There is absolutely no reason to fear spirits. Generally, they are not organized, nor governed. They do not travel in pacs. They generally do not leave their territory (particular victims). Each "one" looks to his own way. Each one follows his own path. Trance/hypnotism (calling out/forth) , with spirits, is really nothing to fear. However, the fact is that the possessive are generally all liars, and cannot be trusted. As I stated earlier, in dealings with foul spirits, I'd bet my life that for every foul spirit, that there is a good one, to maintain peace and order. Invoking and calling on such "protective" forces should be a strong consideration, in such studies and practices. Yes, audible prayer. I'd assume that many professionals, here, would be interested in knowing what techniques this Dr. Francuch "is" using, to relieve his patients. I'd be interested to know how one would deal with a liar, and with a thief (possessor). I have my doubts, about this Dr. Francuch, but I will follow up, and will read this book. v >Ref: Principals of Spiritual Hypnosis >by Peter Daniel Francuch,Ph.D Publisher: Spiritual Adviory Press >(ISDN:0939386003) Dr. Francuch teaches at UC Santa Barbara, CA. I >completed his course in the late '70s. It is the only accredited >Spiritual Hypnosis course in this country. He is from Czechoslovakia and >will not disappoint. It's always good to have extra tools in your >toolbox. Not for the timid. Happy New Year > >Reply: Ed McClelland EarthOne@WebTV.Net ###### Message-ID: <34BF58A0.2FA22B71@rocketmail.com> From: DAVE X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.04 [en] (Win95; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 Newsgroups: alt.support.schizophrenia,alt.christnet.demonology,alt.satanism,alt.out-of-body,sci.psychology.psychotherapy To: v Subject: Re: attempted exorcism References: <699gdk$j35$1@twwells.com> <19980112031301.WAA21094@ladder01.news.aol.com> <69g9sp$q7v$1@lal.interserv.com> <69gajh$1lm$1@lal.interserv.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Lines: 8 Date: Fri, 16 Jan 1998 17:53:07 GMT NNTP-Posting-Host: ts40-09.tor.istar.ca NNTP-Posting-Date: Fri, 16 Jan 1998 12:53:07 EST Path: ccw.ch!aetna.dolphins.ch!news.planetc.com!leto.ou.edu!hammer.uoregon.edu!logbridge.uoregon.edu!ais.net!News.Toronto.iSTAR.net!news.istar.net!NewsRead.Toronto.iSTAR.net!not-for-mail I think you are absolutely correct, schziphrenia is only a disorder because we are too sensitive to the environment, more than most. But everytime you loose something you gain another. So as a general rule useally schizophrenics are more intelligent than the average person. Tha's life Doc ###### From: John M Price Subject: Re: attempted exorcism Newsgroups: alt.support.schizophrenia,alt.christnet.demonology,alt.satanism,alt.out-of-body,sci.psychology.psychotherapy References: <699gdk$j35$1@twwells.com> <19980112031301.WAA21094@ladder01.news.aol.com> <69g9sp$q7v$1@lal.interserv.com> <69gajh$1lm$1@lal.interserv.com> <34BF58A0.2FA22B71@rocketmail.com> Organization: his very own desk! Lines: 25 X-Newsreader: TIN [UNIX 1.3 unoff BETA 970327; i386 FreeBSD 2.2-STABLE] NNTP-Posting-Host: web1.calweb.com X-NNTP-Posting-Host: web1.calweb.com Message-ID: <34bfaf6a.0@calwebnnrp> Date: 16 Jan 98 19:05:14 GMT X-NNTP-Posting-Host: news.calweb.com Path: ccw.ch!aetna.dolphins.ch!news.planetc.com!leto.ou.edu!hammer.uoregon.edu!newsxfer3.itd.umich.edu!newsfeed.direct.ca!news.he.net!calwebnntp!calwebnnrp!calweb.com!jmprice I know of absolutely no data to support this contention. If there are such data, a source would be nice. In sci.psychology.psychotherapy DAVE wrote: : I think you are absolutely correct, schziphrenia is only a disorder because we : are too sensitive to the environment, more than most. But everytime you loose : something you gain another. So as a general rule useally schizophrenics are more : intelligent than the average person. Tha's life : Doc -- John M. Price, PhD jmprice@calweb.com Life: Chemistry, but with feeling! | PGP Key on request or by finger! 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Comoderator: sci.psychology.psychotherapy.moderated Atheist# 683 So far as I can remember, there is not one word in the Gospels in praise of intelligence. -- Bertrand Russell ###### From: johnf@melbpc.org.au (John Fitzsimons) Newsgroups: alt.support.schizophrenia,alt.christnet.demonology,alt.out-of-body,sci.psychology.psychotherapy Subject: Re: attempted exorcism Date: Sat, 17 Jan 1998 09:36:43 GMT Organization: Melbourne PC User Group Inc, Australia Lines: 165 Message-ID: <34c5d722.18777438@news.melbpc.org.au> References: <699gdk$j35$1@twwells.com> <19980112031301.WAA21094@ladder01.news.aol.com> <69g9sp$q7v$1@lal.interserv.com> <69gajh$1lm$1@lal.interserv.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: b1-47.melbpc.org.au Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Newsreader: Forte Agent 1.5/32.451 Path: ccw.ch!aetna.dolphins.ch!news.planetc.com!newsfeed.usit.net!news.he.net!Supernews60!supernews.com!uunet!in4.uu.net!ozemail!news.mel.aone.net.au!newsfeed-in.aone.net.au!news.netspace.net.au!news2.melbpc.org.au!news.melbpc.org.au!not-for-mail On Mon, 12 Jan 1998 12:25:34 -0600, "v" wrote: >Spoiler added, just in case (subject title) > >10 > >9 > >8 > >7 > >6 > >5 > >4 > >3 > >2 > >1 > > Some cases of dissociative identity disorder are, indeed, cases of >spiritual presence, and are "not" of split personality. Just like some cases of split personality are cases of spirit influence. > Both of you used >general terms, such as "us", in your denials. Your "us" does not include >me: It excludes me. Ed possibly just assumed the same (us, as one), of all >dissociatives. Spiritual possession is medically defined as a dissociative >disorder. Maybe, but something doesn't need to have a "medical" definition before it needs to be dealt with. Many people with spirit obsession and/or possession problems are in a very bad way. > I found Ed's input very interesting. After all, how often is it that >one is medically diagnosed with "spirit". I ran straight to the book >store, but found that the book was out-of-print, and will check with the >state libraries, this afternoon. Just want these tools, in my toolbox. There are many good books that deal with spirit infestation. Some written by medical doctors, psychologists, mediums etc. The psychologist Dr Edith Fiore's book called "The Unquiet Dead" is quite good for example. (Ballantine Books I.S.B.N. 0-345-35083-9). Dr Sagan's book at http://clairvision.org/Clairvision/Books/Entities/_Entities.htm is also worth reading. My own booklet on spirit "rescues" and "psychic protection" is another. > In Dr. Jim Stevenson's reply, he suggested the same (all are one), when >he spoke about integrati*n, and angry alters. What people need to know >about Stevenson, is that he regards all religion and all spirituality as >"psychotic". (I looked at his profile). > What most professions fear, in cases of spiritual possession, is that >the spirits are known to physically attack the therapist, exorcist, or >physician; using the patient's body and limbs. That can happen in the physical sense but it can also happen non-physically. For example many therapists become under attack by entities (on psychic levels) when the therapist tries to remove them from the patient's aura. > The same could happen in >cases of split personality. Self harm is also a factor, in both cases. It can happen in a lot more cases than that. Much "burn out" that therapists get is due to the wearing down of their auric shielding. > I don't really know how to put this, so I'll just blurt it out; There >is absolutely no reason to fear spirits. OOPS ! You were doing well until you got here. Some spirits are ex-murderers, rapists, thugs, satanists, etc. Underestimating them is NOT a good idea IMO. >Generally, they are not organized, Sorry. That simply isn't so. I can understand that you may not have come across "organised" entities but I certainly have. If one can "organise" in the physical world then one can do the same non-physically. >nor governed. Dog eats dog mentality often "rules". Those who are stronger, smarter, etc. often do the governing. Much like what happens in the physical world ! > They do not travel in pacs. Some do. Some don't. Just as in the physical. >They generally do not leave their territory (particular victims). Yes, that is often the case. Often a person and/or place will be "haunted". Some of these people are "linked" to one as a result of present life, or past life, situations. People interested in knowing more about "links" should consider reading "Cutting The Ties That Bind" by Phyllis Crystal. Samuel Weiser I.S.B.N. 9 780877 287919. > Each "one" looks to his own way. Each one follows his own path. Yes, but like in the physical there can be "shared goals." > Trance/hypnotism (calling out/forth) , with spirits, is really nothing to fear. Unless one's "psychic protection" isn't sufficient and the entity/entities who come around are negative. Such entities can cause problems for years afterwards. >However, the fact is that the >possessive are generally all liars, and cannot be trusted. As I stated >earlier, in dealings with foul spirits, I'd bet my life that for every foul >spirit, that there is a good one, to maintain peace and order. Invoking and >calling on such "protective" forces should be a strong consideration, in >such studies and practices. Yes, audible prayer. Positive forces will only give "limited" help if you do something stupid. If you take alcohol and/or drugs and then get in your car to drive home and then pray for protection I do NOT believe that nothing negative will happen to you/others. > I'd assume that many professionals, here, would be interested in knowing >what techniques this Dr. Francuch "is" using, to relieve his patients. I'd >be interested to know how one would deal with a liar, and with a thief >(possessor). I have my doubts, about this Dr. Francuch, but I will follow >up, and will read this book. If I knew where to get it so would I. Anyone got an internet and/or street address for Spiritual Advisory Press ? >>Ref: Principals of Spiritual Hypnosis >>by Peter Daniel Francuch,Ph.D Publisher: Spiritual Adviory Press >>(ISDN:0939386003) Dr. Francuch teaches at UC Santa Barbara, CA. I >>completed his course in the late '70s. It is the only accredited >>Spiritual Hypnosis course in this country. He is from Czechoslovakia and >>will not disappoint. It's always good to have extra tools in your >>toolbox. Not for the timid. Happy New Year >>Reply: Ed McClelland EarthOne@WebTV.Net "Exorcism" by Eugene Maurey is another worth considering. ISBN 0 914918 88 5 Whitford Press. I have a list of similar books on my vicnet site. Regards, John. **************************************************** ,-._|\ John Fitzsimons - Melbourne, Australia. / Oz \ johnf@melbpc.org.au, Fidonet 3:632/309 \_,--.x/ http://www.vicnet.net.au/~johnf/welcome.htm v http://www.alphalink.com.au/~johnf/ ###### From: johnf@melbpc.org.au (John Fitzsimons) Newsgroups: alt.support.schizophrenia,alt.christnet.demonology,alt.out-of-body,sci.psychology.psychotherapy Subject: Re: attempted exorcism Date: Sat, 17 Jan 1998 11:04:47 GMT Organization: Melbourne PC User Group Inc, Australia Lines: 22 Message-ID: <34c0842b.5715548@news.melbpc.org.au> References: <699gdk$j35$1@twwells.com> <19980112031301.WAA21094@ladder01.news.aol.com> <69g9sp$q7v$1@lal.interserv.com> <69gajh$1lm$1@lal.interserv.com> <34BF58A0.2FA22B71@rocketmail.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: b1-47.melbpc.org.au Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Newsreader: Forte Agent 1.5/32.451 Path: ccw.ch!aetna.dolphins.ch!news.planetc.com!newsfeed.usit.net!newspeer.monmouth.com!news-peer.gip.net!news.gsl.net!gip.net!newsm.ibm.net!ibm.net!uunet!in4.uu.net!ozemail!news.mel.aone.net.au!newsfeed-in.aone.net.au!news.netspace.net.au!news2.melbpc.org.au!news.melbpc.org.au!not-for-mail On Fri, 16 Jan 1998 17:53:07 GMT, DAVE wrote: >I think you are absolutely correct, schziphrenia is only a disorder because we >are too sensitive to the environment, more than most. < snip > As many cases of schizophrenia are simply cases of people who are uncontrolled psychics (sensitives) then that is hardly a very profound conclusion. Interesting how anyone could think being "sensitive" was a "disorder" though. Looks like many "professional" people haven't advanced their attitudes any since the inquisition. Regards, John. **************************************************** ,-._|\ John Fitzsimons - Melbourne, Australia. / Oz \ johnf@melbpc.org.au, Fidonet 3:632/309 \_,--.x/ http://www.vicnet.net.au/~johnf/welcome.htm v http://www.alphalink.com.au/~johnf/ ###### From: John Scudamore Newsgroups: alt.support.schizophrenia,alt.christnet.demonology,alt.out-of-body,sci.psychology.psychotherapy Subject: Re: attempted exorcism Date: Fri, 23 Jan 1998 21:39:58 +0000 Organization: just me Lines: 171 Message-ID: <34C90E2E.4640@enterprise.net> References: <699gdk$j35$1@twwells.com> <19980112031301.WAA21094@ladder01.news.aol.com> <69g9sp$q7v$1@lal.interserv.com> <69gajh$1lm$1@lal.interserv.com> <34c5d722.18777438@news.melbpc.org.au> Reply-To: whale@enterprise.net NNTP-Posting-Host: ppp108.enterprise.net Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Mozilla 3.01Gold (Win95; I) Path: ccw.ch!aetna.dolphins.ch!news.planetc.com!newsfeed.usit.net!news-spur1.maxwell.syr.edu!news.maxwell.syr.edu!cpk-news-hub1.bbnplanet.com!su-news-hub1.bbnplanet.com!news.bbnplanet.com!diablo.theplanet.net!btnet-feed2!btnet!news.enterprise.net!not-for-mail John Fitzsimons wrote on books: What do you make of Prisoners of Earth by Aloa Starr? What is the best book on possession? > > On Mon, 12 Jan 1998 12:25:34 -0600, "v" wrote: > > >Spoiler added, just in case (subject title) > > > >10 > > [snipped] ###### From: "Mike" Newsgroups: alt.support.schizophrenia,alt.christnet.demonology,alt.out-of-body,sci.psychology.psychotherapy Subject: Re: attempted exorcism Date: Sat, 24 Jan 1998 05:12:58 -0600 Lines: 21 Message-ID: <6achnr$qaa$1@news.megsinet.net> References: <699gdk$j35$1@twwells.com> <19980112031301.WAA21094@ladder01.news.aol.com> <69g9sp$q7v$1@lal.interserv.com> <69gajh$1lm$1@lal.interserv.com> <34c5d722.18777438@news.melbpc.org.au> <34C90E2E.4640@enterprise.net> NNTP-Posting-Host: 209.81.254.80 X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.2106.4 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.2106.4 Path: ccw.ch!aetna.dolphins.ch!news.planetc.com!newsfeed.usit.net!209.150.160.22.MISMATCH!newsfeed!newsfeed.internetmci.com!208.133.72.20!news.megsinet.net!not-for-mail I've read the book Unquiet Dead, but it was too vague in it's history. If one wants to read a great book on "demonic" possession you should check out Malachi Martin's book titled "Hostage to the Devil." I can't remember the publisher off-hand but it isn't hard to find. Also another great book on the subject is called "Possessed" and it's from the diary of the actual priest who performed the exorcism that the movie "The Exorcist" was based on. Both are excellent books that give history of the "possession" phenomena and the results of it's occurance on all those involved. I myself haven't been able to find too much more on the subject so if anyone knows some more reference material on the subject I would be delighted to hear about it. Just email me at eversalt@megsinet.net or if you are on ICQ my UIN # is 6396772. Thanks. Mike "ever stop to think and forget to start again?" ###### From: "Lorne D. Gilsig" Newsgroups: alt.support.schizophrenia,alt.christnet.demonology,alt.out-of-body,sci.psychology.psychotherapy Subject: Re: attempted exorcism Date: Sat, 24 Jan 1998 09:00:03 -0500 Organization: EarthLink Network, Inc. Lines: 12 Message-ID: <34C9F3E3.5FC7@earthlink.net> References: <699gdk$j35$1@twwells.com> <19980112031301.WAA21094@ladder01.news.aol.com> <69g9sp$q7v$1@lal.interserv.com> <69gajh$1lm$1@lal.interserv.com> <34c5d722.18777438@news.melbpc.org.au> <34C90E2E.4640@enterprise.net> <6achnr$qaa$1@news.megsinet.net> NNTP-Posting-Host: 153.36.72.97 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Mozilla 3.01 (Win95; I) To: Mike Path: ccw.ch!aetna.dolphins.ch!news.planetc.com!news-xfer.siscom.net!nntprelay.mathworks.com!newsfeed.internetmci.com!141.211.144.13!newsxfer3.itd.umich.edu!newsxfer.itd.umich.edu!uunet!in1.uu.net!nntp.earthlink.net!usenet Dear Mike, This thread does not appear to be related to sci.psychology.psychotherapy but was cross-posted to us. Could you please delete us from the header information on any future posts to this thread? Thank You. Lorne D. Gilsig ###### From: johnf@melbpc.org.au (John Fitzsimons) Newsgroups: alt.support.schizophrenia,alt.christnet.demonology,alt.out-of-body Subject: Re: attempted exorcism Date: Sat, 24 Jan 1998 21:28:55 GMT Organization: Melbourne PC User Group Inc, Australia Lines: 32 Message-ID: <34ca57e8.1347695@news.melbpc.org.au> References: <699gdk$j35$1@twwells.com> <19980112031301.WAA21094@ladder01.news.aol.com> <69g9sp$q7v$1@lal.interserv.com> <69gajh$1lm$1@lal.interserv.com> <34c5d722.18777438@news.melbpc.org.au> <34C90E2E.4640@enterprise.net> NNTP-Posting-Host: b2-33.melbpc.org.au Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Newsreader: Forte Agent 1.5/32.451 Path: ccw.ch!aetna.dolphins.ch!news.planetc.com!newsfeed.usit.net!news-spur1.maxwell.syr.edu!news.maxwell.syr.edu!streamer1.cleveland.iagnet.net!qual.net!iagnet.net!198.6.0.87!uunet!in4.uu.net!ozemail!news.mel.aone.net.au!newsfeed-in.aone.net.au!news.netspace.net.au!news2.melbpc.org.au!not-for-mail On Fri, 23 Jan 1998 21:39:58 +0000, John Scudamore wrote: < snip > >John Fitzsimons wrote on books: >What do you make of Prisoners of Earth by Aloa Starr? What is the best >book on possession? I liked "Prisoners of Earth". It has information in it that you will not find in most other books on this topic. I am not however an advocate for using pendulums in this type of work. They are far too open to being influenced by entities who want a therapist getting the incorrect "readings"/info. The "best" book on possession depends on what you currently know and what you want/need to know. Everyone is coming from a slightly different starting point. What I might call an "excellent" book someone else mightn't. They might not understand the terms/ideas/ repercussions of what is written. :-) Regards, John. **************************************************** ,-._|\ John Fitzsimons - Melbourne, Australia. / Oz \ johnf@melbpc.org.au, Fidonet 3:632/309 \_,--.x/ http://www.vicnet.net.au/~johnf/welcome.htm v http://www.alphalink.com.au/~johnf/ ###### From: Brad Jones Newsgroups: alt.support.schizophrenia,alt.christnet.demonology,alt.out-of-body,sci.psychology.psychotherapy Subject: Re: attempted exorcism Date: Tue, 27 Jan 1998 00:35:06 -0500 Organization: IDT Lines: 9 Message-ID: <34CD720A.34A5BE1B@vivid.net> References: <699gdk$j35$1@twwells.com> <19980112031301.WAA21094@ladder01.news.aol.com> <69g9sp$q7v$1@lal.interserv.com> <69gajh$1lm$1@lal.interserv.com> <34c5d722.18777438@news.melbpc.org.au> <34C90E2E.4640@enterprise.net> NNTP-Posting-Host: pmdyn149.vivid.net Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.04 [en] (Win95; I) Path: ccw.ch!aetna.dolphins.ch!news.planetc.com!newsfeed.usit.net!news-dc-3.sprintlink.net!news-dc-1.sprintlink.net!news-east.sprintlink.net!news-peer.sprintlink.net!news.sprintlink.net!Sprint!news-peer.gip.net!news.gsl.net!gip.net!news.idt.net!nntp.farm.idt.net!news Can someone explain this message further? I must have missed the several first parts of the conversation. To my knowledge 99.9% of all practicing Doctors etc. will not even humor such suggestions as phsychic,Possession, Spirit, Aura etc. In just the last decade from personal experience the diagnosis of such thoughts would majorely fall under the phschyzophrenic categories(not necessarily multiple pers. dis.). Has the sciences changed enough to now consider it to be a realism rather than a fantasm? ###### From: Therion Ware (Therion T. Ware) Newsgroups: alt.support.schizophrenia,alt.christnet.demonology,alt.out-of-body Subject: Re: attempted exorcism Date: Tue, 27 Jan 1998 19:25:46 +0800 Organization: The Tatarus Shipping Company Limited Lines: 19 Message-ID: <34eac428.38711917@news.supernews.com> References: <699gdk$j35$1@twwells.com> <19980112031301.WAA21094@ladder01.news.aol.com> <69g9sp$q7v$1@lal.interserv.com> <69gajh$1lm$1@lal.interserv.com> <34c5d722.18777438@news.melbpc.org.au> <34C90E2E.4640@enterprise.net> <34CD720A.34A5BE1B@vivid.net> Reply-To: Therion Ware NNTP-Posting-Host: 202.186.67.4 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Newsreader: Forte Agent 1.5/32.451 Path: ccw.ch!aetna.dolphins.ch!news.planetc.com!newsfeed.usit.net!newsfeed.wli.net!newsfeed.direct.ca!Supernews60!supernews.com!Supernews69!news On Tue, 27 Jan 1998 00:35:06 -0500, Brad Jones decided to say, in sci.psychology.psychotherapy, using 9 valuable lines of text: >Can someone explain this message further? I must have missed the several first parts of >the conversation. To my knowledge 99.9% of all practicing Doctors etc. will not even >humor such suggestions as phsychic,Possession, Spirit, Aura etc. >In just the last decade from personal experience the diagnosis of such thoughts would >majorely fall under the phschyzophrenic categories(not necessarily multiple pers. >dis.). >Has the sciences changed enough to now consider it to be a realism rather than a >fantasm? No. ----- Hell Is A City Much Like Dis, and it's Pandemonium; for "why this is Hell, nor am I out of it". ------ ------