From: "Dharmadeva" Newsgroups: alt.life.afterlife Subject: Rebirth until ... Date: 23 Feb 98 13:42:51 GMT Organization: PROUTIST UNIVERSAL Lines: 83 Message-ID: <01bd4050$1a25fb20$LocalHost@dambiec> NNTP-Posting-Host: 137.92.97.4 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Newsreader: Microsoft Internet News 4.70.1141 Path: ccw.ch!aetna.dolphins.ch!news.planetc.com!leto.ou.edu!news.ecn.uoknor.edu!feed2.news.erols.com!erols!cpk-news-hub1.bbnplanet.com!news.bbnplanet.com!newsfeed.gte.net!nntp.flash.net!news.mira.net.au!harbinger.cc.monash.edu.au!newshost.carno.net.au!pppclient6.canberra.edu.au What is reborn is the unextinguished karma from previous actions. As the unit consciousness sows, so s/he reaps. The quantity of reactions to be served or gone through by the unit is equal to that of the total acts previously done or performed. This unserved totality of the original deeds is called Destiny. The reactive seed of this very Destiny is called reaction in its potentiality (sam'ska'ra - colloquially 'karma') in the language of philosophy. That is why in this observable world the sam'ska'ra-ridden unit consciousness cannot go outside the influence of Destiny. Destiny keeps him/her in its grip so strongly (or viciously) that s/he thinks as though this very Destiny is the controller of his/her fate, as though it has already kept her/his path of progress forestalled and fixed or checkmated. But a person's Destiny cannot be the absolute factor, because if you do not exist, if you do not act, the Destiny cannot be formed. Thus Destiny which is dependent upon your doership for its self-existence, and so cannot have the all-controllership. Is this cosmic creation accidental? No, In fact there is no such thing as accident. Behind every event that takes place in the universe there is, in all cases, the principle of causality, ie there is no effect without a cause. What we take for an accident is nothing but an incident. The incident, whose preceding cause we cannot see or understand properly or whose cause takes effect in a fickle of time, we call accident. In reality the word 'accident' is meaningless and so to call this universe an accidental creation is nothing but a wishy-washy twaddle. Whenever human beings try to attain liberation, they are hindered by the binding shackles of their reactive momenta. Dragged forward by these reactive momenta against their wishes, they are forced to suffer the reactions of their misdeeds. They have no choice: this is the only way they free themselves of the influence of their past actions. They are mere instruments unable to act independently. The reactive momenta are sometimes compared with an ocean. The only way to traverse this vast ocean - and thus progress along the spiritual path - is to 'cleanse' the mind of its reactive momenta. What is the internal state of the spiritual aspirants (sadhakas) who attain that stance? Passion of desire is of two kinds: consequential and original. The seat of expression of both these is the heart. When the mental propensities reach the stage of cessation through spiritual practices (sadhana or meditations) all the desires of the heart, whether original or consequential, disappear. The reactive momenta of those who have reached this stage, even once, no matter what course their reactive momenta take, have only one passion left: passion for union with God - Infinite Consciousness. Love alone remains their only longing. At that stage spiritual aspirants (sadhakas) attain deathlessness right in this mortal world. They see nothing but God (Brahma). For the eyes of those in whom a singular longing for union with Brahma has awakened this mundane world appears as the Abode of Brahma - everything is That, everything is S/He. What happens in such a state? The microcosmic force which is called kulakundalinii (coiled serpentine), pierces through the six cakras and reaches the lotus of the sahasrara cakra (highest cakra), and thus becomes one with Infinite Consciousnes - God. There are fifty propensities in the human body situated in the different glands of each of the other six cakras. As the kulakundalinii passes through a particular gland, the propensities connected with it cease to function. In the absence of these propensities, after the six cakras are pierced, the kundalinii, or spiritual force of the unit body, merges in the Supreme Force of Shiva or Cosmic Consciousness. In that state the sadhakas (spiritual practitioners) merge their entire entities in the Ocean of Divine Nectar, even while remaining in the mortal world. This is the essence, the last word of all scriptures and philosophies. (Extracts from Anandamurtiji). Then there is no rebirth ... -- 'The main characteristic of PROUT-based socioeconomic movements is that they aim to guarantee the comprehensive, multifarious liberation of humanity.' P R Sarkar PROgressive Utilisation Theory: http://www.kaapeli.fi:81/~samps/newren/ People's News Agency is a free news, views, analysis and literature service for the progressive minded. Send email to: majordomo@igc.org subscribe pna-news ###### Path: ccw.ch!usenet From: Neil.Franklin.remove.this@ccw.ch Newsgroups: alt.life.afterlife Subject: Re: Rebirth until ... Date: 25 Feb 1998 01:30:37 +0100 Organization: My own Private Self Lines: 24 Message-ID: References: <01bd4050$1a25fb20$LocalHost@dambiec> X-Newsreader: Gnus v5.3/Emacs 19.34 "Dharmadeva" claimed: > Is this cosmic creation accidental? No, In fact there is no such thing as > accident. Behind every event that takes place in the universe there is, in > all cases, the principle of causality, ie there is no effect without a > cause. What we take for an accident is nothing but an incident. The > incident, whose preceding cause we cannot see or understand properly or > whose cause takes effect in a fickle of time, we call accident. In reality > the word 'accident' is meaningless and so to call this universe an > accidental creation is nothing but a wishy-washy twaddle. The processes of matter/energy _within_ the universe are causal. But the coming into existance of the universe was by definition an _outside_ the universe event (there was for the first half no universe for it to be in). So who can claim that that was an causal process? Would you please tell us your story of meating the outside. Tell us what is out there. What is non-matter/energy in non-space/time like? -- private: Neil.Franklin.remove.this@ccw.ch, http://www.ccw.ch/Neil.Franklin/ for Geek Code, Papernet, Voicenet, PGP public key see http: office: franklin.remove.this@arch.ethz.ch If I go missing, its once again my newsfeed that has craped