NNTP-Posting-Date: Tue, 08 Mar 2005 05:56:10 -0600 X-Trace-PostClient-IP: 196.23.216.228 From: "pr" Newsgroups: alt.healing.reiki References: <42291176.1396106@news.east.earthlink.net> <71a9b2a820f898ff27336463f5c534a2@localhost.talkaboutrecovery.com> <38u7r7F5r4l5hU1@uni-berlin.de> <38ujk8F5p4hcoU1@uni-berlin.de> <2fbb8ec82e7a29443d482ae56a6b9697@localhost.talkaboutrecovery.com> <38vs99F5s2vo4U1@uni-berlin.de> <3912abF5u4kvjU1@individual.net> <637b85957550b0dee390be0d50a7e33c@localhost.talkaboutrecovery.com> <014ac0e911dac2c57c4f218dc5ccdfbb@localhost.talkaboutrecovery.com> Subject: Reiki attitude [Re: Can Reiki Cause Harm?] Date: Tue, 8 Mar 2005 07:56:02 +0200 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.2180 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2180 Message-ID: <6fKdnXYfO9hBD7DfRVn-qA@is.co.za> Lines: 34 NNTP-Posting-Host: 168.209.98.66 X-Trace: sv3-AYCR52YgNmDZew/22sqtKfrpJ2iFYexBdXTS3lnn++Dy0eUsOnssvvBWyb/04Lhfw4vSOP4hRfVTYrr!IJ7h9vw1mk2V8Et3cLIJ5Ac7QQ62szUMIrkKxpitULokH3o4I/6tLwYAUsD8iOcwE44= X-Complaints-To: abuse@is.co.za X-DMCA-Complaints-To: abuse@is.co.za X-Abuse-and-DMCA-Info: Please be sure to forward a copy of ALL headers X-Abuse-and-DMCA-Info: Otherwise we will be unable to process your complaint properly X-Postfilter: 1.3.31 Path: nightfall.franklin.ch!news1.ethz.ch!news-zh.switch.ch!switch.ch!solnet.ch!solnet.ch!news.glorb.com!border1.nntp.dca.giganews.com!nntp.giganews.com!local01.nntp.dca.giganews.com!nntp.is.co.za!news.is.co.za.POSTED!not-for-mail Xref: nightfall.franklin.ch alt.healing.reiki:23243 "Rich" wrote in message news:aN8Xd.600084$8l.398309@pd7tw1no... | A most excellent response. I would like to propose a bit of a twist, | however. For me, NO permission doesn't necessarily mean, NO. It means NO | to the person's immediate understanding of what Reiki is. It may require | some patience and understanding to see what the NO is directed to. And it may be that neither the healer nor the client has the time, or the capability, to get this across. Does this mean that if I am not able to find the proper words to get the acceptable reiki idea across to the target groups I cannot send reiki? Is reiki a word game that only stops being one when I can find the right words? As it says at the end "Reiki. So much more than a word." It is a an attitude, a way of living, in a spirit of generosity, compassion, but also of evaluating what other people may need and discerning how that can be best facilitated. If that means sending reiki without permission then that is perfectly fine with me. Why is holding back because there is no permission in accordance with "wei-wu-wei" and the spontaneous sending of reiki in response to a perceived need is not? -- Namu Amida Butsu Peter Reber "Life knows its needs" ###### From: "Gabriel" Newsgroups: alt.healing.reiki Subject: Re: Reiki attitude (Perception and Insight) Date: Tue, 8 Mar 2005 13:41:49 +0100 Organization: T-Online Lines: 52 Message-ID: References: <42291176.1396106@news.east.earthlink.net> <71a9b2a820f898ff27336463f5c534a2@localhost.talkaboutrecovery.com> <38u7r7F5r4l5hU1@uni-berlin.de> <38ujk8F5p4hcoU1@uni-berlin.de> <2fbb8ec82e7a29443d482ae56a6b9697@localhost.talkaboutrecovery.com> <38vs99F5s2vo4U1@uni-berlin.de> <3912abF5u4kvjU1@individual.net> <637b85957550b0dee390be0d50a7e33c@localhost.talkaboutrecovery.com> <014ac0e911dac2c57c4f218dc5ccdfbb@localhost.talkaboutrecovery.com> <6fKdnXYfO9hBD7DfRVn-qA@is.co.za> Reply-To: "Gabriel" Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Trace: news.t-online.com 1110285664 05 1956 QrVArujO+b1hd7J 050308 12:41:04 X-Complaints-To: usenet-abuse@t-online.de X-ID: X7EZ2kZFQe62qRT8DvtIW3MqFro6ycgYu4HSDHIvvJ-rbXF4MItigk X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.2527 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2527 X-RFC2646: Format=Flowed; Original Path: nightfall.franklin.ch!news1.ethz.ch!news-zh.switch.ch!irazu.switch.ch!switch.ch!newsfeed00.sul.t-online.de!newsmm00.sul.t-online.de!t-online.de!news.t-online.com!not-for-mail Xref: nightfall.franklin.ch alt.healing.reiki:23245 < Newsgroups: alt.healing.reiki Subject: Re: Reiki attitude (Perception and Insight) Date: Tue, 08 Mar 2005 14:13:19 +0100 Lines: 82 Message-ID: <395mmiF5vj6edU1@uni-berlin.de> References: <42291176.1396106@news.east.earthlink.net> <71a9b2a820f898ff27336463f5c534a2@localhost.talkaboutrecovery.com> <38u7r7F5r4l5hU1@uni-berlin.de> <38ujk8F5p4hcoU1@uni-berlin.de> <2fbb8ec82e7a29443d482ae56a6b9697@localhost.talkaboutrecovery.com> <38vs99F5s2vo4U1@uni-berlin.de> <3912abF5u4kvjU1@individual.net> <637b85957550b0dee390be0d50a7e33c@localhost.talkaboutrecovery.com> <014ac0e911dac2c57c4f218dc5ccdfbb@localhost.talkaboutrecovery.com> <6fKdnXYfO9hBD7DfRVn-qA@is.co.za> Reply-To: byjoke@ch.inter.net Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Trace: news.uni-berlin.de QLXfIBVbwtLAlOyOJiwo3gn7Ugm70hvx7e07Hb75e5BE2Oa9TAEYur User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows; U; Windows NT 5.1; en-US; rv:1.4) Gecko/20030624 Netscape/7.1 (ax) X-Accept-Language: en, fr, it In-Reply-To: Path: nightfall.franklin.ch!news1.ethz.ch!news-zh.switch.ch!switch.ch!solnet.ch!solnet.ch!fu-berlin.de!uni-berlin.de!not-for-mail Xref: nightfall.franklin.ch alt.healing.reiki:23246 Gabriel wrote: > < < < there is no possibility to answer this on a general basis. you must > decide each time. there is no spontaneous sending as such, it is > always an act of will. it may be good. it may be an obstacle for > someone, for what is the perceived need? and since you have the > signature that you do I ask: who is the perceiver? sending without > asking may be okay in some case, in others it isn't. it depends on > the situation and if you know what you are doing. see my example > lower down. > but we are talking about sending without PERMISSION. > A no! is a no! is a no!. That's that. > Going against a no! is pride. > Neither Buddah nor Joshua ever went against a no! > Who are we to say we know better? Not so sure when Jesu made Lazarus come back to life could not ask before , when gave sight to a blind is not reported if he asked to the blind man< do you accept I make a miracle on you and give you the sight ? apparently he interiorized asked to His Father the grace to perform it and he did it ( if I correctly remember) , when he attached the ear cut by a roman sword to Paolo in teh Gesemani ? he did not even ask either he took i( the cut ear) and stick it back ! what you reported as personal experience is very interesting but it shows again that each of us see things throught his personal point of view or experience and we talk about using a sort of summary of it .. the listener listen to the summary and developes it in his own imaginary.. figure out what we get at the end of the chain ...:-) cheers > Once I had a fractured coccyx and energy could not flow upwards > properly from the root chakra. I had a lot of pain. In I asked > certain people to stop interfering, because whatever they did made > me feel worse. *my* case this needed to be healed with bluish > turquoise and not red fire energy. I knew that. They however just > thought "root chakra" and decided that I *needed* help and pushed > more red energy towards and into me. The result was that I could > hardly walk at all anymore. I have too much fire already. I had a > reason for saying "No!" I needed time (and pain) to work on > emotional wounds first. This took several years and it was tough for > my friends to accept the fact that I was in constant pain. Some saw > the pain, some saw the reason. The people who really helped me, were > those that helped me conquer my old fears. They didn't smother me in > "love", they taught me swordfighting. This has to do with > communication and (self)respect and letting things go. Ever since I > am working to overcome what is left of my fears the twisted spine > reacts accordingly. I need(ed) the pain to force me to learn to deal > with the ROOT of the pain.I "knew" that all the time, but the pain > "forced" me to do something about it. And then I did. And I'm still > doing it :-) > Another group of people also saw the "need" but they didn't look > past the physical pain. They just "asked their higher self for > permission" which in their case meant they just wanted to feel good > about themselves. That may seem like a mean thing to say, but I'm > saying it anyway. Whenever they started beaming, I just felt > worse. Eventually in the case of one woman practitioner who was very > obstinate in her refusal to accept my no! I set up a mirror-barrier > that prevented this kind of energy from disturbing me and it went > right back to sender. I could breathe again and she went through a > really tough time. I felt sorry for her, I did, but she had brought > that on herself. Later she admitted she was trying to get me for > herself and away from someone else. That's all in the past now. I am > only sharing this experience to show what I mean. > -- Theo778@hotmail.com MSN messanger / or ICQ 25 666 169 4 Private Mail : Theo@ch.inter.net «»«»«» Just for today... don't worry .....be happy «»«»«» ###### From: "Gabriel" Newsgroups: alt.healing.reiki Subject: Re: Reiki attitude (Perception and Insight) Date: Tue, 8 Mar 2005 14:33:05 +0100 Organization: T-Online Lines: 25 Message-ID: References: <42291176.1396106@news.east.earthlink.net> <71a9b2a820f898ff27336463f5c534a2@localhost.talkaboutrecovery.com> <38u7r7F5r4l5hU1@uni-berlin.de> <38ujk8F5p4hcoU1@uni-berlin.de> <2fbb8ec82e7a29443d482ae56a6b9697@localhost.talkaboutrecovery.com> <38vs99F5s2vo4U1@uni-berlin.de> <3912abF5u4kvjU1@individual.net> <637b85957550b0dee390be0d50a7e33c@localhost.talkaboutrecovery.com> <014ac0e911dac2c57c4f218dc5ccdfbb@localhost.talkaboutrecovery.com> <6fKdnXYfO9hBD7DfRVn-qA@is.co.za> <395mmiF5vj6edU1@uni-berlin.de> Reply-To: "Gabriel" Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Trace: news.t-online.com 1110288731 04 9614 L8VArEI6D7gBpcl 050308 13:32:11 X-Complaints-To: usenet-abuse@t-online.de X-ID: rSSeMuZYQesGkZB1Fu7Wg0Jj4-aHLGqlhWI0SrW9foxUy3dP1VG3wY X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.2527 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2527 X-RFC2646: Format=Flowed; Response Path: nightfall.franklin.ch!news1.ethz.ch!news-zh.switch.ch!switch.ch!solnet.ch!solnet.ch!newsfeed.freenet.de!feed.news.tiscali.de!newsfeed01.sul.t-online.de!newsmm00.sul.t-online.de!t-online.de!news.t-online.com!not-for-mail Xref: nightfall.franklin.ch alt.healing.reiki:23254 Theo don't be obtuse. Joshua was called to the house of Lazarus because he was in a already in a coma. Lazarus' sisters called Joshua. When Joshua healed the cripples and blind he went to the places where they went to be healed, like the lake of Bethseda. The cripples came to him. Or like the woman of the woman who couldn't stop bleeding, she just touched his garment (aura) in secret. There were a lot of healer priests working in Israel those days. Usually they were Essenes. Going to someone is equal to permission, no? I don't remember about the cut ear. We would have to ask Paul but since he was a disciple anyway it stands to reason he would be open for healing. We do know that Joshua always said: "ask" or "get up and follow me" and things like that. The cripple had the freedo to choose to remain crippled. Just like the rich man's son. He went away crying because he couldn't let go yet. Later he let go. He let go of everything. Even his life. Can you guess his name? ###### From: Theo Newsgroups: alt.healing.reiki Subject: Re: Reiki attitude (Perception and Insight) Date: Tue, 08 Mar 2005 15:08:36 +0100 Lines: 44 Message-ID: <395pu6F5rbsu8U1@uni-berlin.de> References: <42291176.1396106@news.east.earthlink.net> <71a9b2a820f898ff27336463f5c534a2@localhost.talkaboutrecovery.com> <38u7r7F5r4l5hU1@uni-berlin.de> <38ujk8F5p4hcoU1@uni-berlin.de> <2fbb8ec82e7a29443d482ae56a6b9697@localhost.talkaboutrecovery.com> <38vs99F5s2vo4U1@uni-berlin.de> <3912abF5u4kvjU1@individual.net> <637b85957550b0dee390be0d50a7e33c@localhost.talkaboutrecovery.com> <014ac0e911dac2c57c4f218dc5ccdfbb@localhost.talkaboutrecovery.com> <6fKdnXYfO9hBD7DfRVn-qA@is.co.za> <395mmiF5vj6edU1@uni-berlin.de> Reply-To: byjoke@ch.inter.net Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Trace: news.uni-berlin.de YprAtN7HHBFR6K4dnEEmLQcdG/8OWrQ/gla6vN4EpXgub5dlFI+Haq User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows; U; Windows NT 5.1; en-US; rv:1.4) Gecko/20030624 Netscape/7.1 (ax) X-Accept-Language: en, fr, it In-Reply-To: Path: nightfall.franklin.ch!news1.ethz.ch!news-zh.switch.ch!switch.ch!newscore.univie.ac.at!fu-berlin.de!uni-berlin.de!not-for-mail Xref: nightfall.franklin.ch alt.healing.reiki:23258 Gabriel wrote: > Theo don't be obtuse. LOL! I have a diamond head have acute and obtuse facettes (57 ) it depends which angle you see 'em > Joshua was called to the house of Lazarus because he was in a > already in a coma. Lazarus' sisters called Joshua. > When Joshua healed the cripples and blind he went to the places > where they went to be healed, like the lake of Bethseda. > The cripples came to him. Or like the woman of the woman who > couldn't stop bleeding, she just touched his garment (aura) in > secret. There were a lot of healer priests working in Israel those > days. Usually they were Essenes. Going to someone is equal to > permission, no? it you see things like that > I don't remember about the cut ear. We would have to ask Paul but > since he was a disciple anyway it stands to reason he would be open > for healing. ok excused so you can send reiki to a friend without asking as it is a friend or someone of the family or you beloved neighbour, your baseball club mates your girl friend or boyfriend and so on > We do know that Joshua always said: "ask" or "get up and follow me" > and things like that. The cripple had the freedo to choose to remain > crippled. Just like the rich man's son. He went away crying because > he couldn't let go yet. > Later he let go. He let go of everything. Even his life. Can you > guess his name? at all ! will ya tell me ? Theo778@hotmail.com MSN messanger / or ICQ 25 666 169 4 Private Mail : Theo@ch.inter.net «»«»«» Just for today... don't worry .....be happy «»«»«» ###### Message-ID: From: Judy Newsgroups: alt.healing.reiki Subject: Re: Reiki attitude (Perception and Insight) References: <42291176.1396106@news.east.earthlink.net> <71a9b2a820f898ff27336463f5c534a2@localhost.talkaboutrecovery.com> <38u7r7F5r4l5hU1@uni-berlin.de> <38ujk8F5p4hcoU1@uni-berlin.de> <2fbb8ec82e7a29443d482ae56a6b9697@localhost.talkaboutrecovery.com> <38vs99F5s2vo4U1@uni-berlin.de> <3912abF5u4kvjU1@individual.net> <637b85957550b0dee390be0d50a7e33c@localhost.talkaboutrecovery.com> <014ac0e911dac2c57c4f218dc5ccdfbb@localhost.talkaboutrecovery.com> <6fKdnXYfO9hBD7DfRVn-qA@is.co.za> Lines: 29 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain;charset=us-ascii;format=flowed User-Agent: Turnpike/6.02-U () Date: Tue, 08 Mar 2005 17:36:12 GMT NNTP-Posting-Host: 82.35.153.131 X-Trace: fe3.news.blueyonder.co.uk 1110303372 82.35.153.131 (Tue, 08 Mar 2005 17:36:12 GMT) NNTP-Posting-Date: Tue, 08 Mar 2005 17:36:12 GMT Path: nightfall.franklin.ch!news1.ethz.ch!news-zh.switch.ch!switch.ch!solnet.ch!solnet.ch!news2.euro.net!border2.nntp.ams.giganews.com!border1.nntp.ams.giganews.com!nntp.giganews.com!pe2.news.blueyonder.co.uk!blueyonder!pe1.news.blueyonder.co.uk!blueyonder!fe3.news.blueyonder.co.uk.POSTED!53ab2750!not-for-mail Xref: nightfall.franklin.ch alt.healing.reiki:23278 In message , Gabriel writes > >Once I had a fractured coccyx and energy could not flow upwards properly >from the root chakra. I had a lot of pain. In I asked certain people to stop >interfering, because whatever they did made me feel worse. *my* case this >needed to be healed with bluish turquoise and not red fire energy. I knew >that. They however just thought "root chakra" and decided that I *needed* >help and pushed more red energy towards and into me. The result was that I >could hardly walk at all anymore. I have too much fire already. > Now this I find most interesting. "My" experience of Reiki energy is that yes, it can be cooling for inflammations, stimulating where energy is lacking etc. But *always* by means of bringing balance. And *never* by my prescription. I can't begin to get my head round the idea of how anyone could so manipulate the system as to direct the opposing colour into something ... and to continue to do so after it was apparent that this was causing harm. Dunno. I'd posit that what was going on here was something over, beyond, whatever, certainly something "other" than what I do when I call it Reiki. (Unless I missed the bit in class where we did this because I was too busy ogling the teacher's cute bum. Or something ...) -- Judy ###### From: Theo Newsgroups: alt.healing.reiki Subject: Re: Reiki attitude (Perception and Insight) Date: Tue, 08 Mar 2005 20:38:15 +0100 Lines: 15 Message-ID: <396d88F5t51pjU2@uni-berlin.de> References: <42291176.1396106@news.east.earthlink.net> <71a9b2a820f898ff27336463f5c534a2@localhost.talkaboutrecovery.com> <38u7r7F5r4l5hU1@uni-berlin.de> <38ujk8F5p4hcoU1@uni-berlin.de> <2fbb8ec82e7a29443d482ae56a6b9697@localhost.talkaboutrecovery.com> <38vs99F5s2vo4U1@uni-berlin.de> <3912abF5u4kvjU1@individual.net> <637b85957550b0dee390be0d50a7e33c@localhost.talkaboutrecovery.com> <014ac0e911dac2c57c4f218dc5ccdfbb@localhost.talkaboutrecovery.com> <6fKdnXYfO9hBD7DfRVn-qA@is.co.za> Reply-To: byjoke@ch.inter.net Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Trace: news.uni-berlin.de /q4cCop8wzXSmPWAHfGRbgRKSUdlIoTTb5QIgmO3eaWkrxWAJ5VJit User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows; U; Windows NT 5.1; en-US; rv:1.4) Gecko/20030624 Netscape/7.1 (ax) X-Accept-Language: en, fr, it In-Reply-To: Path: nightfall.franklin.ch!news1.ethz.ch!news-zh.switch.ch!switch.ch!solnet.ch!solnet.ch!fu-berlin.de!uni-berlin.de!not-for-mail Xref: nightfall.franklin.ch alt.healing.reiki:23299 Judy wrote: > (Unless I missed the bit in class where we did this because I was > too busy ogling the teacher's cute bum. Or something ...) very honest and crystal clear LOL! Theo778@hotmail.com MSN messanger / or ICQ 25 666 169 4 Private Mail : Theo@ch.inter.net «»«»«» Just for today... don't worry .....be happy «»«»«» ###### X-Trace-PostClient-IP: 68.144.0.219 From: Rich User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows; U; Windows NT 5.1; en-US; rv:1.7.2) Gecko/20040804 Netscape/7.2 (ax) X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 Newsgroups: alt.healing.reiki Subject: Re: Reiki attitude (Perception and Insight) References: <42291176.1396106@news.east.earthlink.net> <71a9b2a820f898ff27336463f5c534a2@localhost.talkaboutrecovery.com> <38u7r7F5r4l5hU1@uni-berlin.de> <38ujk8F5p4hcoU1@uni-berlin.de> <2fbb8ec82e7a29443d482ae56a6b9697@localhost.talkaboutrecovery.com> <38vs99F5s2vo4U1@uni-berlin.de> <3912abF5u4kvjU1@individual.net> <637b85957550b0dee390be0d50a7e33c@localhost.talkaboutrecovery.com> <014ac0e911dac2c57c4f218dc5ccdfbb@localhost.talkaboutrecovery.com> <6fKdnXYfO9hBD7DfRVn-qA@is.co.za> In-Reply-To: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Lines: 63 Message-ID: Date: Tue, 08 Mar 2005 20:01:26 GMT NNTP-Posting-Host: 24.71.223.147 X-Complaints-To: abuse@shaw.ca X-Trace: pd7tw1no 1110312086 24.71.223.147 (Tue, 08 Mar 2005 13:01:26 MST) NNTP-Posting-Date: Tue, 08 Mar 2005 13:01:26 MST Organization: Shaw Residential Internet Path: nightfall.franklin.ch!news1.ethz.ch!news-zh.switch.ch!switch.ch!solnet.ch!solnet.ch!newsfeed.freenet.de!newsfeed00.sul.t-online.de!t-online.de!border2.nntp.dca.giganews.com!nntp.giganews.com!feed.cgocable.net!pd7cy1no!shaw.ca!pd7tw1no.POSTED!53ab2750!not-for-mail Xref: nightfall.franklin.ch alt.healing.reiki:23313 Ah, narcissistic boomeritis........we are very wrapped up in that! It would seem that there is more to this whole energy thing than meets the eye. I have heard of other cases where folks have felt intruded on (as they have shared). One of my friends (Reiki practitioner and shaman)told me there is a group of folks in the U.S. of A. who do 'energy repairs' on folks who have had 'improper' Reiki treatments. All I can do is listen with interest and fascination. Gabriel wrote: > < < < there is no possibility to answer this on a general basis. you must > decide each time. there is no spontaneous sending as such, it is > always an act of will. it may be good. it may be an obstacle for > someone, for what is the perceived need? and since you have the > signature that you do I ask: who is the perceiver? sending without > asking may be okay in some case, in others it isn't. it depends on > the situation and if you know what you are doing. see my example > lower down. > but we are talking about sending without PERMISSION. > A no! is a no! is a no!. That's that. > Going against a no! is pride. > Neither Buddah nor Joshua ever went against a no! > Who are we to say we know better? > Once I had a fractured coccyx and energy could not flow upwards > properly from the root chakra. I had a lot of pain. In I asked > certain people to stop interfering, because whatever they did made > me feel worse. *my* case this needed to be healed with bluish > turquoise and not red fire energy. I knew that. They however just > thought "root chakra" and decided that I *needed* help and pushed > more red energy towards and into me. The result was that I could > hardly walk at all anymore. I have too much fire already. I had a > reason for saying "No!" I needed time (and pain) to work on > emotional wounds first. This took several years and it was tough for > my friends to accept the fact that I was in constant pain. Some saw > the pain, some saw the reason. The people who really helped me, were > those that helped me conquer my old fears. They didn't smother me in > "love", they taught me swordfighting. This has to do with > communication and (self)respect and letting things go. Ever since I > am working to overcome what is left of my fears the twisted spine > reacts accordingly. I need(ed) the pain to force me to learn to deal > with the ROOT of the pain.I "knew" that all the time, but the pain > "forced" me to do something about it. And then I did. And I'm still > doing it :-) > Another group of people also saw the "need" but they didn't look > past the physical pain. They just "asked their higher self for > permission" which in their case meant they just wanted to feel good > about themselves. That may seem like a mean thing to say, but I'm > saying it anyway. Whenever they started beaming, I just felt > worse. Eventually in the case of one woman practitioner who was very > obstinate in her refusal to accept my no! I set up a mirror-barrier > that prevented this kind of energy from disturbing me and it went > right back to sender. I could breathe again and she went through a > really tough time. I felt sorry for her, I did, but she had brought > that on herself. Later she admitted she was trying to get me for > herself and away from someone else. That's all in the past now. I am > only sharing this experience to show what I mean. > ###### From: Theo Newsgroups: alt.healing.reiki Subject: Re: Reiki attitude (Perception and Insight) Date: Tue, 08 Mar 2005 21:22:17 +0100 Lines: 82 Message-ID: <396fqpF5t6k1pU1@uni-berlin.de> References: <42291176.1396106@news.east.earthlink.net> <71a9b2a820f898ff27336463f5c534a2@localhost.talkaboutrecovery.com> <38u7r7F5r4l5hU1@uni-berlin.de> <38ujk8F5p4hcoU1@uni-berlin.de> <2fbb8ec82e7a29443d482ae56a6b9697@localhost.talkaboutrecovery.com> <38vs99F5s2vo4U1@uni-berlin.de> <3912abF5u4kvjU1@individual.net> <637b85957550b0dee390be0d50a7e33c@localhost.talkaboutrecovery.com> <014ac0e911dac2c57c4f218dc5ccdfbb@localhost.talkaboutrecovery.com> <6fKdnXYfO9hBD7DfRVn-qA@is.co.za> Reply-To: byjoke@ch.inter.net Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Trace: news.uni-berlin.de +HO+Yzvr4H2RdH/FXX4paA+cdE2NT3kme6zUCqRRrfr2yWmZeMJQdz User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows; U; Windows NT 5.1; en-US; rv:1.4) Gecko/20030624 Netscape/7.1 (ax) X-Accept-Language: en, fr, it In-Reply-To: Path: nightfall.franklin.ch!news1.ethz.ch!news-zh.switch.ch!switch.ch!solnet.ch!solnet.ch!fu-berlin.de!uni-berlin.de!not-for-mail Xref: nightfall.franklin.ch alt.healing.reiki:23315 Rich wrote: > Ah, narcissistic boomeritis........we are very wrapped up in that! > It would seem that there is more to this whole energy thing than > meets the eye. I have heard of other cases where folks have felt > intruded on (as they have shared). One of my friends (Reiki > practitioner and shaman)told me there is a group of folks in the > U.S. of A. who do 'energy repairs' on folks who have had 'improper' > Reiki treatments. All I can do is listen with interest and > fascination. IMHO exist more immaginary energy malades than real ones... making people think that they are unbalanced to cure them and sometimes making them pay money is a very bad action but a good business.. it is against the Hippocrates serment but they are not Doctors anyway > Gabriel wrote: > >> <> <> <> >> there is no possibility to answer this on a general basis. you must >> decide each time. there is no spontaneous sending as such, it is >> always an act of will. it may be good. it may be an obstacle for >> someone, for what is the perceived need? and since you have the >> signature that you do I ask: who is the perceiver? sending without >> asking may be okay in some case, in others it isn't. it depends on >> the situation and if you know what you are doing. see my example >> lower down. >> >> but we are talking about sending without PERMISSION. >> A no! is a no! is a no!. That's that. >> Going against a no! is pride. >> Neither Buddah nor Joshua ever went against a no! >> Who are we to say we know better? >> >> Once I had a fractured coccyx and energy could not flow upwards >> properly from the root chakra. I had a lot of pain. In I asked >> certain people to stop interfering, because whatever they did made >> me feel worse. *my* case this needed to be healed with bluish >> turquoise and not red fire energy. I knew that. They however just >> thought "root chakra" and decided that I *needed* help and pushed >> more red energy towards and into me. The result was that I could >> hardly walk at all anymore. I have too much fire already. I had a >> reason for saying "No!" I needed time (and pain) to work on >> emotional wounds first. This took several years and it was tough >> for my friends to accept the fact that I was in constant pain. Some >> saw the pain, some saw the reason. The people who really helped me, >> were those that helped me conquer my old fears. They didn't smother >> me in "love", they taught me swordfighting. This has to do with >> communication and (self)respect and letting things go. Ever since >> I am working to overcome what is left of my fears the twisted spine >> reacts accordingly. I need(ed) the pain to force me to learn to >> deal with the ROOT of the pain.I "knew" that all the time, but the >> pain "forced" me to do something about it. And then I did. And I'm >> still doing it :-) >> >> Another group of people also saw the "need" but they didn't look >> past the physical pain. They just "asked their higher self for >> permission" which in their case meant they just wanted to feel >> good about themselves. That may seem like a mean thing to say, but >> I'm saying it anyway. Whenever they started beaming, I just felt >> worse. Eventually in the case of one woman practitioner who was >> very obstinate in her refusal to accept my no! I set up a >> mirror-barrier that prevented this kind of energy from disturbing >> me and it went right back to sender. I could breathe again and she >> went through a really tough time. I felt sorry for her, I did, but >> she had brought that on herself. Later she admitted she was trying >> to get me for herself and away from someone else. That's all in the >> past now. I am only sharing this experience to show what I mean. >> >> >> >> -- Theo778@hotmail.com MSN messanger / or ICQ 25 666 169 4 Private Mail : Theo@ch.inter.net «»«»«» Just for today... don't worry .....be happy «»«»«» ###### X-Trace-PostClient-IP: 68.144.0.219 From: Rich User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows; U; Windows NT 5.1; en-US; rv:1.7.2) Gecko/20040804 Netscape/7.2 (ax) X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 Newsgroups: alt.healing.reiki Subject: Re: Reiki attitude (Perception and Insight) References: <42291176.1396106@news.east.earthlink.net> <71a9b2a820f898ff27336463f5c534a2@localhost.talkaboutrecovery.com> <38u7r7F5r4l5hU1@uni-berlin.de> <38ujk8F5p4hcoU1@uni-berlin.de> <2fbb8ec82e7a29443d482ae56a6b9697@localhost.talkaboutrecovery.com> <38vs99F5s2vo4U1@uni-berlin.de> <3912abF5u4kvjU1@individual.net> <637b85957550b0dee390be0d50a7e33c@localhost.talkaboutrecovery.com> <014ac0e911dac2c57c4f218dc5ccdfbb@localhost.talkaboutrecovery.com> <6fKdnXYfO9hBD7DfRVn-qA@is.co.za> <396fqpF5t6k1pU1@uni-berlin.de> In-Reply-To: <396fqpF5t6k1pU1@uni-berlin.de> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Lines: 19 Message-ID: Date: Tue, 08 Mar 2005 20:39:08 GMT NNTP-Posting-Host: 24.71.223.147 X-Complaints-To: abuse@shaw.ca X-Trace: pd7tw2no 1110314348 24.71.223.147 (Tue, 08 Mar 2005 13:39:08 MST) NNTP-Posting-Date: Tue, 08 Mar 2005 13:39:08 MST Organization: Shaw Residential Internet Path: nightfall.franklin.ch!news1.ethz.ch!news-zh.switch.ch!switch.ch!solnet.ch!solnet.ch!news2.euro.net!border2.nntp.ams.giganews.com!border1.nntp.ams.giganews.com!lightspeed.eweka.nl!newshosting.com!nx02.iad01.newshosting.com!38.144.126.100.MISMATCH!feed5.newsreader.com!newsreader.com!border2.nntp.dca.giganews.com!border1.nntp.dca.giganews.com!nntp.giganews.com!pd7cy2so!shaw.ca!pd7tw2no.POSTED!53ab2750!not-for-mail Xref: nightfall.franklin.ch alt.healing.reiki:23322 Hi Theo, I feel that there is much to learn with an open mind, even though I believe there is no such thing as an open mind! ;-) There is definitely something going on out there, energy-wise, and as you have said, we look and interpret through our own filters. There is another way to look at it all and that is through the context of Spiral Dynamics........another newsgroup, however. Rich Theo wrote: > IMHO exist more immaginary energy malades than real ones... > making people think that they are unbalanced to cure them > and sometimes making them pay money is a very bad action but a good > business.. it is against the Hippocrates serment but they are not > Doctors anyway > ###### X-Trace-PostClient-IP: 68.144.0.219 From: Rich User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows; U; Windows NT 5.1; en-US; rv:1.7.2) Gecko/20040804 Netscape/7.2 (ax) X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 Newsgroups: alt.healing.reiki Subject: Re: Reiki attitude [Re: Can Reiki Cause Harm?] References: <42291176.1396106@news.east.earthlink.net> <71a9b2a820f898ff27336463f5c534a2@localhost.talkaboutrecovery.com> <38u7r7F5r4l5hU1@uni-berlin.de> <38ujk8F5p4hcoU1@uni-berlin.de> <2fbb8ec82e7a29443d482ae56a6b9697@localhost.talkaboutrecovery.com> <38vs99F5s2vo4U1@uni-berlin.de> <3912abF5u4kvjU1@individual.net> <637b85957550b0dee390be0d50a7e33c@localhost.talkaboutrecovery.com> <014ac0e911dac2c57c4f218dc5ccdfbb@localhost.talkaboutrecovery.com> <6fKdnXYfO9hBD7DfRVn-qA@is.co.za> In-Reply-To: <6fKdnXYfO9hBD7DfRVn-qA@is.co.za> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Lines: 41 Message-ID: Date: Tue, 08 Mar 2005 19:45:26 GMT NNTP-Posting-Host: 24.71.223.147 X-Complaints-To: abuse@shaw.ca X-Trace: pd7tw2no 1110311126 24.71.223.147 (Tue, 08 Mar 2005 12:45:26 MST) NNTP-Posting-Date: Tue, 08 Mar 2005 12:45:26 MST Organization: Shaw Residential Internet Path: nightfall.franklin.ch!news1.ethz.ch!news-zh.switch.ch!switch.ch!newscore.univie.ac.at!newsfeed01.sul.t-online.de!newsfeed00.sul.t-online.de!t-online.de!newshub.sdsu.edu!elnk-nf2-pas!elnk-pas-nf1!newsfeed.earthlink.net!pd7cy1no!shaw.ca!pd7tw2no.POSTED!53ab2750!not-for-mail Xref: nightfall.franklin.ch alt.healing.reiki:23303 Hi Peter, I believe that no one would refuse Reiki if they really knew what it is. In asking permission it allows for the dialogue of information exchange and relationship..........which is healing in itself, especially the communication part. I ask permission in the context of the possibility of doing a series of 'treatments'. I send Reiki daily to everyone I know as part of my salutation to the morning sun! You'll know when I'm doing it when you suddenly get a craving for perogies! Cheers Rich pr wrote: > "Rich" wrote in message > news:aN8Xd.600084$8l.398309@pd7tw1no... > | A most excellent response. I would like to propose a bit of a > twist, > | however. For me, NO permission doesn't necessarily mean, NO. It means NO > | to the person's immediate understanding of what Reiki is. It may require > | some patience and understanding to see what the NO is directed to. > And it may be that neither the healer nor the client has the > time, or the capability, to get this across. > Does this mean that if I am not able to find the proper words > to get the acceptable reiki idea across to the target groups > I cannot send reiki? > Is reiki a word game that only stops being one when I can > find the right words? > As it says at the end "Reiki. So much more than a word." > It is a an attitude, a way of living, in a spirit of generosity, > compassion, but also of evaluating what other people may > need and discerning how that can be best facilitated. > If that means sending reiki without permission then that > is perfectly fine with me. > Why is holding back because there is no permission in > accordance with "wei-wu-wei" and the spontaneous sending > of reiki in response to a perceived need is not? > ###### From: Theo Newsgroups: alt.healing.reiki Subject: Re: Reiki attitude (Perception and Insight) Date: Tue, 08 Mar 2005 21:55:24 +0100 Lines: 42 Message-ID: <396hotF5scbk2U1@uni-berlin.de> References: <42291176.1396106@news.east.earthlink.net> <71a9b2a820f898ff27336463f5c534a2@localhost.talkaboutrecovery.com> <38u7r7F5r4l5hU1@uni-berlin.de> <38ujk8F5p4hcoU1@uni-berlin.de> <2fbb8ec82e7a29443d482ae56a6b9697@localhost.talkaboutrecovery.com> <38vs99F5s2vo4U1@uni-berlin.de> <3912abF5u4kvjU1@individual.net> <637b85957550b0dee390be0d50a7e33c@localhost.talkaboutrecovery.com> <014ac0e911dac2c57c4f218dc5ccdfbb@localhost.talkaboutrecovery.com> <6fKdnXYfO9hBD7DfRVn-qA@is.co.za> <396fqpF5t6k1pU1@uni-berlin.de> Reply-To: byjoke@ch.inter.net Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Trace: news.uni-berlin.de a+oiSixCJBO4Yb3OkCyp1gtqa4+YCeWt4zBqj9K2lIqJlJlZfXctvY User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows; U; Windows NT 5.1; en-US; rv:1.4) Gecko/20030624 Netscape/7.1 (ax) X-Accept-Language: en, fr, it In-Reply-To: Path: nightfall.franklin.ch!news1.ethz.ch!news-zh.switch.ch!switch.ch!solnet.ch!solnet.ch!fu-berlin.de!uni-berlin.de!not-for-mail Xref: nightfall.franklin.ch alt.healing.reiki:23327 Hi Rich Rich wrote: > Hi Theo, > I feel that there is much to learn with an open mind, even though I > believe there is no such thing as an open mind! ;-) > There is definitely something going on out there, energy-wise, and > as you have said, we look and interpret through our own filters. > There is another way to look at it all and that is through the context > of Spiral Dynamics........another newsgroup, however. maybe I am lucky, or maybe I am lucky as I do not pay attention or believe into many things .. but I have always been turning around energies since I was kid for game and than for interest and never come to my mind that something might be wrong with me or my energies nor that I was possessed by evil forces or had a spell even if I lived hard and sometimes unpleasants situations.. but maybe it is me ! but it is true it can be a Spiral a Vortex that sucks you in ... better stay out ;-) > Rich > Theo wrote: > >> >> IMHO exist more immaginary energy malades than real ones... >> making people think that they are unbalanced to cure them >> and sometimes making them pay money is a very bad action but a good >> business.. it is against the Hippocrates serment but they are >> not Doctors anyway >> >> >> -- Theo778@hotmail.com MSN messanger / or ICQ 25 666 169 4 Private Mail : Theo@ch.inter.net «»«»«» Just for today... don't worry .....be happy «»«»«» ###### From: "Garry" Newsgroups: alt.healing.reiki Subject: Re: Reiki attitude (Perception and Insight) Date: 8 Mar 2005 13:09:08 -0800 Organization: http://groups.google.com Lines: 56 Message-ID: <1110316148.092865.198630@f14g2000cwb.googlegroups.com> References: <42291176.1396106@news.east.earthlink.net> <71a9b2a820f898ff27336463f5c534a2@localhost.talkaboutrecovery.com> <38u7r7F5r4l5hU1@uni-berlin.de> <38ujk8F5p4hcoU1@uni-berlin.de> <2fbb8ec82e7a29443d482ae56a6b9697@localhost.talkaboutrecovery.com> <38vs99F5s2vo4U1@uni-berlin.de> <3912abF5u4kvjU1@individual.net> <637b85957550b0dee390be0d50a7e33c@localhost.talkaboutrecovery.com> <014ac0e911dac2c57c4f218dc5ccdfbb@localhost.talkaboutrecovery.com> <6fKdnXYfO9hBD7DfRVn-qA@is.co.za> NNTP-Posting-Host: 168.215.121.11 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" X-Trace: posting.google.com 1110316152 10982 127.0.0.1 (8 Mar 2005 21:09:12 GMT) X-Complaints-To: groups-abuse@google.com NNTP-Posting-Date: Tue, 8 Mar 2005 21:09:12 +0000 (UTC) In-Reply-To: User-Agent: G2/0.2 Complaints-To: groups-abuse@google.com Injection-Info: f14g2000cwb.googlegroups.com; posting-host=168.215.121.11; posting-account=CoAgFAwAAACM00w5NAb8fMnG9_jIIH1u Path: nightfall.franklin.ch!news1.ethz.ch!news-zh.switch.ch!switch.ch!solnet.ch!solnet.ch!news.glorb.com!postnews.google.com!f14g2000cwb.googlegroups.com!not-for-mail Xref: nightfall.franklin.ch alt.healing.reiki:23331 Judy wrote: > In message , Gabriel > writes > > something about> > > > >Once I had a fractured coccyx and energy could not flow upwards properly > >from the root chakra. I had a lot of pain. In I asked certain people to stop > >interfering, because whatever they did made me feel worse. *my* case this > >needed to be healed with bluish turquoise and not red fire energy. I knew > >that. They however just thought "root chakra" and decided that I *needed* > >help and pushed more red energy towards and into me. The result was that I > >could hardly walk at all anymore. I have too much fire already. > > > > Now this I find most interesting. "My" experience of Reiki energy is > that yes, it can be cooling for inflammations, stimulating where energy > is lacking etc. But *always* by means of bringing balance. And *never* > by my prescription. I can't begin to get my head round the idea of how > anyone could so manipulate the system as to direct the opposing colour > into something ... and to continue to do so after it was apparent that > this was causing harm. Dunno. I'd posit that what was going on here was > something over, beyond, whatever, certainly something "other" than what > I do when I call it Reiki. I'm wondering if Gabe isn't referring to an incident where the parties involved had made themselves "ultra-high grandmaster" of their own system, which uses a number of non-Reiki techniques, and is divinely inspired to utilize a "higher frequency of energy", thus making the system "superior" to plain-vanilla, old-fashioned Reiki? > (Unless I missed the bit in class where we did this because I was too > busy ogling the teacher's cute bum. Or something ...) Not unlikely. Garry ###### Message-ID: From: Judy Newsgroups: alt.healing.reiki Subject: Re: Reiki attitude (Perception and Insight) References: <42291176.1396106@news.east.earthlink.net> <71a9b2a820f898ff27336463f5c534a2@localhost.talkaboutrecovery.com> <38u7r7F5r4l5hU1@uni-berlin.de> <38ujk8F5p4hcoU1@uni-berlin.de> <2fbb8ec82e7a29443d482ae56a6b9697@localhost.talkaboutrecovery.com> <38vs99F5s2vo4U1@uni-berlin.de> <3912abF5u4kvjU1@individual.net> <637b85957550b0dee390be0d50a7e33c@localhost.talkaboutrecovery.com> <014ac0e911dac2c57c4f218dc5ccdfbb@localhost.talkaboutrecovery.com> <6fKdnXYfO9hBD7DfRVn-qA@is.co.za> <1110316148.092865.198630@f14g2000cwb.googlegroups.com> Lines: 23 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain;charset=us-ascii;format=flowed User-Agent: Turnpike/6.02-U () Date: Tue, 08 Mar 2005 21:15:33 GMT NNTP-Posting-Host: 82.35.153.131 X-Trace: fe3.news.blueyonder.co.uk 1110316533 82.35.153.131 (Tue, 08 Mar 2005 21:15:33 GMT) NNTP-Posting-Date: Tue, 08 Mar 2005 21:15:33 GMT Path: nightfall.franklin.ch!news1.ethz.ch!news-zh.switch.ch!switch.ch!solnet.ch!solnet.ch!news2.euro.net!border2.nntp.ams.giganews.com!border1.nntp.ams.giganews.com!nntp.giganews.com!pe2.news.blueyonder.co.uk!blueyonder!pe1.news.blueyonder.co.uk!blueyonder!fe3.news.blueyonder.co.uk.POSTED!53ab2750!not-for-mail Xref: nightfall.franklin.ch alt.healing.reiki:23334 In message <1110316148.092865.198630@f14g2000cwb.googlegroups.com>, Garry writes > >I'm wondering if Gabe isn't referring to an incident where the parties >involved had made themselves "ultra-high grandmaster" of their own >system, which uses a number of non-Reiki techniques, and is divinely >inspired to utilize a "higher frequency of energy", thus making the >system "superior" to plain-vanilla, old-fashioned Reiki? We'll have to wait & see, won't we ? > >> (Unless I missed the bit in class where we did this because I was too > >> busy ogling the teacher's cute bum. Or something ...) > >Not unlikely. > Oh, you've admired it too, have you ? -- Judy ###### From: "Garry" Newsgroups: alt.healing.reiki Subject: Re: Reiki attitude (Perception and Insight) Date: 8 Mar 2005 13:25:56 -0800 Organization: http://groups.google.com Lines: 4 Message-ID: <1110317156.399729.232580@z14g2000cwz.googlegroups.com> References: <38u7r7F5r4l5hU1@uni-berlin.de> <38ujk8F5p4hcoU1@uni-berlin.de> <2fbb8ec82e7a29443d482ae56a6b9697@localhost.talkaboutrecovery.com> <38vs99F5s2vo4U1@uni-berlin.de> <3912abF5u4kvjU1@individual.net> <637b85957550b0dee390be0d50a7e33c@localhost.talkaboutrecovery.com> <014ac0e911dac2c57c4f218dc5ccdfbb@localhost.talkaboutrecovery.com> <6fKdnXYfO9hBD7DfRVn-qA@is.co.za> <1110316148.092865.198630@f14g2000cwb.googlegroups.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: 168.215.121.11 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" X-Trace: posting.google.com 1110317160 12203 127.0.0.1 (8 Mar 2005 21:26:00 GMT) X-Complaints-To: groups-abuse@google.com NNTP-Posting-Date: Tue, 8 Mar 2005 21:26:00 +0000 (UTC) In-Reply-To: User-Agent: G2/0.2 Complaints-To: groups-abuse@google.com Injection-Info: z14g2000cwz.googlegroups.com; posting-host=168.215.121.11; posting-account=CoAgFAwAAACM00w5NAb8fMnG9_jIIH1u Path: nightfall.franklin.ch!news1.ethz.ch!news-zh.switch.ch!switch.ch!news.imp.ch!news.imp.ch!news.moat.net!news-spur1.maxwell.syr.edu!news.maxwell.syr.edu!postnews.google.com!z14g2000cwz.googlegroups.com!not-for-mail Xref: nightfall.franklin.ch alt.healing.reiki:23339 But...! (Uh-oh, bad choice of words) Nevermind! Garry ###### X-Trace-PostClient-IP: 68.144.0.219 From: Rich User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows; U; Windows NT 5.1; en-US; rv:1.7.2) Gecko/20040804 Netscape/7.2 (ax) X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 Newsgroups: alt.healing.reiki Subject: Re: Reiki attitude (Perception and Insight) References: <42291176.1396106@news.east.earthlink.net> <71a9b2a820f898ff27336463f5c534a2@localhost.talkaboutrecovery.com> <38u7r7F5r4l5hU1@uni-berlin.de> <38ujk8F5p4hcoU1@uni-berlin.de> <2fbb8ec82e7a29443d482ae56a6b9697@localhost.talkaboutrecovery.com> <38vs99F5s2vo4U1@uni-berlin.de> <3912abF5u4kvjU1@individual.net> <637b85957550b0dee390be0d50a7e33c@localhost.talkaboutrecovery.com> <014ac0e911dac2c57c4f218dc5ccdfbb@localhost.talkaboutrecovery.com> <6fKdnXYfO9hBD7DfRVn-qA@is.co.za> <396fqpF5t6k1pU1@uni-berlin.de> <396hotF5scbk2U1@uni-berlin.de> In-Reply-To: <396hotF5scbk2U1@uni-berlin.de> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Lines: 55 Message-ID: <53pXd.613500$8l.120710@pd7tw1no> Date: Tue, 08 Mar 2005 21:46:41 GMT NNTP-Posting-Host: 24.71.223.147 X-Complaints-To: abuse@shaw.ca X-Trace: pd7tw1no 1110318401 24.71.223.147 (Tue, 08 Mar 2005 14:46:41 MST) NNTP-Posting-Date: Tue, 08 Mar 2005 14:46:41 MST Organization: Shaw Residential Internet Path: nightfall.franklin.ch!news1.ethz.ch!news-zh.switch.ch!irazu.switch.ch!switch.ch!newsfeed00.sul.t-online.de!t-online.de!border2.nntp.dca.giganews.com!border1.nntp.dca.giganews.com!nntp.giganews.com!pd7cy2so!pd7cy1no!shaw.ca!pd7tw1no.POSTED!53ab2750!not-for-mail Xref: nightfall.franklin.ch alt.healing.reiki:23343 The Spiral I am referring to is the development of human consciousness, from a basic survival-oriented person upwards to a holistic, world-centered type. We find ourselves somewhere in between, see and interpret Reiki and the world from that perspective. If we know where others are, we can better interact with them. I didn't say that energies are good or bad, evil, etc. I said I listen with interest to others tell about their experiences and opinions. If someone tells me they have a bad experience, who am I to think I can 'correct' their experience? I can only listen and learn. Of course, I might think I should be a guru and smear my correction all over them. Then I have lost them. Each time I do that, I am certainly being sucked into some kind of vortex. You too? ;-) Rich Theo wrote: > Hi Rich > Rich wrote: > >> Hi Theo, >> I feel that there is much to learn with an open mind, even though I >> believe there is no such thing as an open mind! ;-) >> There is definitely something going on out there, energy-wise, and >> as you have said, we look and interpret through our own filters. >> There is another way to look at it all and that is through the context >> of Spiral Dynamics........another newsgroup, however. > maybe I am lucky, or maybe I am lucky as I do not pay attention or > believe into many things .. but I have always been turning > around energies since I was kid for game and than for interest and > never come to my mind that something might be wrong with me or my > energies nor that I was possessed by evil forces or had a spell > even if I lived hard and sometimes unpleasants situations.. > but maybe it is me ! > but it is true it can be a Spiral a Vortex that sucks you in ... > better stay out ;-) > >> Rich >> >> Theo wrote: >> >>> >>> IMHO exist more immaginary energy malades than real ones... >>> making people think that they are unbalanced to cure them >>> and sometimes making them pay money is a very bad action but a >>> good business.. it is against the Hippocrates serment but they >>> are not Doctors anyway >>> >>> >>> > ###### From: "Gabriel" Newsgroups: alt.healing.reiki Subject: Re: Reiki attitude (Perception and Insight) Date: Tue, 8 Mar 2005 23:23:50 +0100 Organization: T-Online Lines: 8 Message-ID: References: <42291176.1396106@news.east.earthlink.net> <71a9b2a820f898ff27336463f5c534a2@localhost.talkaboutrecovery.com> <38u7r7F5r4l5hU1@uni-berlin.de> <38ujk8F5p4hcoU1@uni-berlin.de> <2fbb8ec82e7a29443d482ae56a6b9697@localhost.talkaboutrecovery.com> <38vs99F5s2vo4U1@uni-berlin.de> <3912abF5u4kvjU1@individual.net> <637b85957550b0dee390be0d50a7e33c@localhost.talkaboutrecovery.com> <014ac0e911dac2c57c4f218dc5ccdfbb@localhost.talkaboutrecovery.com> <6fKdnXYfO9hBD7DfRVn-qA@is.co.za> <1110316148.092865.198630@f14g2000cwb.googlegroups.com> Reply-To: "Gabriel" Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Trace: news.t-online.com 1110320767 00 29110 KT1Ar4zJWhsTQJk 050308 22:26:07 X-Complaints-To: usenet-abuse@t-online.de X-ID: Glx4X+ZlgeFUqsFdCmUl0UxQqx13Pgkp7lEb8cfV-Ppr-7uCSIx9gn X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.2527 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2527 X-RFC2646: Format=Flowed; Original Path: nightfall.franklin.ch!news1.ethz.ch!news-zh.switch.ch!switch.ch!solnet.ch!solnet.ch!newsfeed.freenet.de!feed.news.tiscali.de!newsfeed01.sul.t-online.de!newsmm00.sul.t-online.de!t-online.de!news.t-online.com!not-for-mail Xref: nightfall.franklin.ch alt.healing.reiki:23345 Garry wrote: < Newsgroups: alt.healing.reiki Subject: Re: Reiki attitude (Perception and Insight) Date: Tue, 08 Mar 2005 18:46:16 -0500 Organization: Michigan State University Lines: 43 Message-ID: References: <42291176.1396106@news.east.earthlink.net> <71a9b2a820f898ff27336463f5c534a2@localhost.talkaboutrecovery.com> <38u7r7F5r4l5hU1@uni-berlin.de> <38ujk8F5p4hcoU1@uni-berlin.de> <2fbb8ec82e7a29443d482ae56a6b9697@localhost.talkaboutrecovery.com> <38vs99F5s2vo4U1@uni-berlin.de> <3912abF5u4kvjU1@individual.net> <637b85957550b0dee390be0d50a7e33c@localhost.talkaboutrecovery.com> <014ac0e911dac2c57c4f218dc5ccdfbb@localhost.talkaboutrecovery.com> <6fKdnXYfO9hBD7DfRVn-qA@is.co.za> NNTP-Posting-Host: 207.179.65.213 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-AUTHid: fordkenn User-Agent: Mozilla Thunderbird 0.7 (Windows/20040616) X-Accept-Language: en-us, en In-Reply-To: Path: nightfall.franklin.ch!news1.ethz.ch!news-zh.switch.ch!switch.ch!solnet.ch!solnet.ch!newspeer1.nwr.nac.net!newspeer.monmouth.com!logbridge.uoregon.edu!msunews!not-for-mail Xref: nightfall.franklin.ch alt.healing.reiki:23350 Judy wrote: > In message , Gabriel > writes > say something about> > >>Once I had a fractured coccyx and energy could not flow upwards properly >>from the root chakra. I had a lot of pain. In I asked certain people to stop >>interfering, because whatever they did made me feel worse. *my* case this >>needed to be healed with bluish turquoise and not red fire energy. I knew >>that. They however just thought "root chakra" and decided that I *needed* >>help and pushed more red energy towards and into me. The result was that I >>could hardly walk at all anymore. I have too much fire already. > Now this I find most interesting. "My" experience of Reiki energy > is that yes, it can be cooling for inflammations, stimulating where > energy is lacking etc. But *always* by means of bringing > balance. And *never* by my prescription. I can't begin to get my > head round the idea of how anyone could so manipulate the system as > to direct the opposing colour into something ... and to continue to > do so after it was apparent that this was causing harm. Dunno. I'd > posit that what was going on here was something over, beyond, > whatever, certainly something "other" than what I do when I call it > Reiki. > (Unless I missed the bit in class where we did this because I was > too busy ogling the teacher's cute bum. Or something ...) You wouldn't...? OK, yes you would. ;) Anyway, I got the sense that the people sending him stuff weren't doing reiki, maybe pranic or chakra healing which does use the colors. I read a long time ago, Joy Gardner's book on crystal healing which said you should use the *opposite* colors for inflammations. So a sore throat would need red, not turquoisey blue, just as Gabes said he needed the blue for his coccyx, not the red. sue ###### From: Theo Newsgroups: alt.healing.reiki Subject: Re: Reiki attitude (Perception and Insight) Date: Wed, 09 Mar 2005 03:00:40 +0100 Lines: 26 Message-ID: <3973l7F5uo6jpU1@uni-berlin.de> References: <42291176.1396106@news.east.earthlink.net> <38u7r7F5r4l5hU1@uni-berlin.de> <38ujk8F5p4hcoU1@uni-berlin.de> <2fbb8ec82e7a29443d482ae56a6b9697@localhost.talkaboutrecovery.com> <38vs99F5s2vo4U1@uni-berlin.de> <3912abF5u4kvjU1@individual.net> <637b85957550b0dee390be0d50a7e33c@localhost.talkaboutrecovery.com> <014ac0e911dac2c57c4f218dc5ccdfbb@localhost.talkaboutrecovery.com> <6fKdnXYfO9hBD7DfRVn-qA@is.co.za> <396fqpF5t6k1pU1@uni-berlin.de> <396hotF5scbk2U1@uni-berlin.de> <53pXd.613500$8l.120710@pd7tw1no> Reply-To: byjoke@ch.inter.net Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Trace: news.uni-berlin.de CqzZ+eEDsbzMgFerwgGd7AeSxO+HhDfZntdZz0xQAF8z5eKtR6JJxH User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows; U; Windows NT 5.1; en-US; rv:1.4) Gecko/20030624 Netscape/7.1 (ax) X-Accept-Language: en, fr, it In-Reply-To: <53pXd.613500$8l.120710@pd7tw1no> Path: nightfall.franklin.ch!news1.ethz.ch!news-zh.switch.ch!switch.ch!news.ip-plus.net!newsfeed.ip-plus.net!news.tesion.net!news.belwue.de!fu-berlin.de!uni-berlin.de!not-for-mail Xref: nightfall.franklin.ch alt.healing.reiki:23360 Rich wrote: > The Spiral I am referring to is the development of human > consciousness, from a basic survival-oriented person upwards to a > holistic, world-centered type. We find ourselves somewhere in > between, see and interpret Reiki and the world from that > perspective. If we know where others are, we can better interact > with them. > I didn't say that energies are good or bad, evil, etc. I said I > listen with interest to others tell about their experiences and > opinions. > If someone tells me they have a bad experience, who am I to think I can > 'correct' their experience? I can only listen and learn. Of course, > I might think I should be a guru and smear my correction all over > them. > Then I have lost them. Each time I do that, I am certainly being > sucked into some kind of vortex. You too? ;-) > Rich I met a person time ago that was obsessed by negative energies in her working environment so she had to wear stones and othere stuff to shield herself .. I said myself that she ways living in a very complicate world.. It is something I cannot deal with so I totally reject and it is fine to me. Theo778@hotmail.com MSN messanger / or ICQ 25 666 169 4 Private Mail : Theo@ch.inter.net «»«»«» Just for today... don't worry .....be happy «»«»«» ###### From: Theo Newsgroups: alt.healing.reiki Subject: Re: Reiki attitude (Perception and Insight) Date: Wed, 09 Mar 2005 03:01:50 +0100 Lines: 26 Message-ID: <3973ndF60d7bqU1@uni-berlin.de> References: <42291176.1396106@news.east.earthlink.net> <38u7r7F5r4l5hU1@uni-berlin.de> <38ujk8F5p4hcoU1@uni-berlin.de> <2fbb8ec82e7a29443d482ae56a6b9697@localhost.talkaboutrecovery.com> <38vs99F5s2vo4U1@uni-berlin.de> <3912abF5u4kvjU1@individual.net> <637b85957550b0dee390be0d50a7e33c@localhost.talkaboutrecovery.com> <014ac0e911dac2c57c4f218dc5ccdfbb@localhost.talkaboutrecovery.com> <6fKdnXYfO9hBD7DfRVn-qA@is.co.za> <396fqpF5t6k1pU1@uni-berlin.de> <396hotF5scbk2U1@uni-berlin.de> <53pXd.613500$8l.120710@pd7tw1no> Reply-To: byjoke@ch.inter.net Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Trace: news.uni-berlin.de i9NktR9+noNBF9IabrdBDgPjxajrphLwdNdkouWUQqtSKk/GGmBTT8 User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows; U; Windows NT 5.1; en-US; rv:1.4) Gecko/20030624 Netscape/7.1 (ax) X-Accept-Language: en, fr, it In-Reply-To: <53pXd.613500$8l.120710@pd7tw1no> Path: nightfall.franklin.ch!news1.ethz.ch!news-zh.switch.ch!irazu.switch.ch!switch.ch!news.belwue.de!fu-berlin.de!uni-berlin.de!not-for-mail Xref: nightfall.franklin.ch alt.healing.reiki:23361 Rich wrote: > The Spiral I am referring to is the development of human > consciousness, from a basic survival-oriented person upwards to a > holistic, world-centered type. We find ourselves somewhere in > between, see and interpret Reiki and the world from that > perspective. If we know where others are, we can better interact > with them. > I didn't say that energies are good or bad, evil, etc. I said I > listen with interest to others tell about their experiences and > opinions. > If someone tells me they have a bad experience, who am I to think I can > 'correct' their experience? I can only listen and learn. Of course, > I might think I should be a guru and smear my correction all over > them. > Then I have lost them. Each time I do that, I am certainly being > sucked into some kind of vortex. You too? ;-) > Rich I met a person time ago that was obsessed by negative energies in her working environment so she had to wear stones and othere stuff to shield herself .. I said myself that she ways living in a very complicate world.. It is something I cannot deal with so I totally reject and it is fine to me. Theo778@hotmail.com MSN messanger / or ICQ 25 666 169 4 Private Mail : Theo@ch.inter.net «»«»«» Just for today... don't worry .....be happy «»«»«»