From: gdwill@earthlink.net (Garry Williams) Newsgroups: alt.healing.reiki Subject: Can Reiki Cause Harm? Reply-To: gdwill@earthlink.net Message-ID: <42291176.1396106@news.east.earthlink.net> X-Newsreader: Forte Free Agent 1.11/32.235 Lines: 32 Date: Sat, 05 Mar 2005 01:59:31 GMT NNTP-Posting-Host: 4.152.60.244 X-Complaints-To: abuse@earthlink.net X-Trace: newsread2.news.atl.earthlink.net 1109987971 4.152.60.244 (Fri, 04 Mar 2005 17:59:31 PST) NNTP-Posting-Date: Fri, 04 Mar 2005 17:59:31 PST Organization: EarthLink Inc. -- http://www.EarthLink.net Path: nightfall.franklin.ch!news1.ethz.ch!news-zh.switch.ch!irazu.switch.ch!switch.ch!newsfeed00.sul.t-online.de!t-online.de!newshub.sdsu.edu!elnk-nf2-pas!newsfeed.earthlink.net!stamper.news.pas.earthlink.net!stamper.news.atl.earthlink.net!newsread2.news.atl.earthlink.net.POSTED!7510546c!not-for-mail Xref: nightfall.franklin.ch alt.healing.reiki:22995 I know this has been done to death, but who knows? Maybe dragging it out into the sunlight again after having aged below ground a while might give it some new flavor! Anyways, I'm going to quote a snippage from someone else's post on another list to get the ball rolling. Opinions and perspectives about what this person says? ----------- begin quote ---------------------- I still do believe that Reiki can ever hurt/cause harm, but I also know that once you learn to "play" with energy, you can "play" with energy and even though you may not be doing Reiki, you are using energy. Like let's say you are a Reiki II, you have learned to play with energy by sending energy (Reiki) long distance. So, you practice and practice - you can now send energy without even thinking about much about it - it has become second nature. Now, let's say that someone makes you mad, you may not be sending Reiki at that person, but I bet whether you mean to or not, you are sending energy at that person, probably some not so nice energy. If you don't acknowledge it, you can't stop it. If someone upset's me, I go do Reiki on myself (full body Reiki), refusing to let that person's name or image enter my mind, then when I am done, I send Reiki to the person without any anger. So, even though it is no longer Reiki, I do believe we have a responsibility to be aware of what kinds of energy we are sending out to other's and to the earth, especially when we are upset. -------------- end quoted message -------------------- Love and Light, Garry ###### From: Theo Newsgroups: alt.healing.reiki Subject: Re: Can Reiki Cause Harm? Date: Sat, 05 Mar 2005 08:00:21 +0100 Lines: 47 Message-ID: <38t3nnF5meuccU1@uni-berlin.de> References: <42291176.1396106@news.east.earthlink.net> Reply-To: byjoke@ch.inter.net Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Trace: news.uni-berlin.de Swa0EfBnOPT5RASA8IcxKgb5QDWcu6XEL2IapjYehz73o7i7sfTopB User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows; U; Windows NT 5.1; en-US; rv:1.4) Gecko/20030624 Netscape/7.1 (ax) X-Accept-Language: en, fr, it In-Reply-To: <42291176.1396106@news.east.earthlink.net> Path: nightfall.franklin.ch!news1.ethz.ch!news-zh.switch.ch!irazu.switch.ch!switch.ch!news.belwue.de!fu-berlin.de!uni-berlin.de!not-for-mail Xref: nightfall.franklin.ch alt.healing.reiki:23006 Garry Williams wrote: > I know this has been done to death, but who knows? Maybe dragging it > out into the sunlight again after having aged below ground a while > might give it some new flavor! > Anyways, I'm going to quote a snippage from someone else's post on > another list to get the ball rolling. Opinions and perspectives about > what this person says? > ----------- begin quote ---------------------- > I still do believe that Reiki can ever hurt/cause harm, but I also > know that once you learn to "play" with energy, you can "play" with > energy and even though you may not be doing Reiki, you are using > energy. Like let's say you are a Reiki II, you have learned to play > with energy by sending energy (Reiki) long distance. So, you practice > and practice - you can now send energy without even thinking about > much about it - it has become second nature. Now, let's say that > someone makes you mad, you may not be sending Reiki at that person, > but I bet whether you mean to or not, you are sending energy at that > person, probably some not so nice energy. If you don't acknowledge > it, you can't stop it. If someone upset's me, I go do Reiki on myself > (full body Reiki), refusing to let that person's name or image enter > my mind, then when I am done, I send Reiki to the person without any > anger. So, even though it is no longer Reiki, I do believe we have a > responsibility to be aware of what kinds of energy we are sending out > to other's and to the earth, especially when we are upset. > -------------- end quoted message -------------------- > Love and Light, > Garry > another complicated mind lost in a maze If I want to send Reki to someone that bothers me.. I send it with compassion to change the person's attitude.. it I am over the breaking point I take my magic wand and It is another story and another intent ( devilish Theo) Theo778@hotmail.com MSN messanger / or ICQ 25 666 169 4 Private Mail : Theo@ch.inter.net Just for today... don't worry .....be happy ###### NNTP-Posting-Date: Sat, 05 Mar 2005 06:24:22 -0600 X-Trace-PostClient-IP: 196.23.218.33 From: "pr" Newsgroups: alt.healing.reiki References: <42291176.1396106@news.east.earthlink.net> <38t3nnF5meuccU1@uni-berlin.de> Subject: Re: Can Reiki Cause Harm? Date: Sat, 5 Mar 2005 13:37:59 +0200 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.2180 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2180 Message-ID: Lines: 23 X-Trace: sv3-GeiKi4FUsesvloUdUDXZPvpEO94q7uWNYfIb2SwLM4OZTM5YvQMqSpQ0DWgsl+pPuUnKjPK0NAQbxXB!H9Dpc0rIB9KZ4ia2PvdYpkO3WyEQV4TTGipD0pnLqcVLMFh22wJzfQznHHZ7wLWW18w= X-Complaints-To: abuse@is.co.za X-DMCA-Complaints-To: abuse@is.co.za X-Abuse-and-DMCA-Info: Please be sure to forward a copy of ALL headers X-Abuse-and-DMCA-Info: Otherwise we will be unable to process your complaint properly X-Postfilter: 1.3.32 Path: nightfall.franklin.ch!news1.ethz.ch!news-zh.switch.ch!irazu.switch.ch!switch.ch!newsfeed00.sul.t-online.de!t-online.de!border2.nntp.dca.giganews.com!border1.nntp.dca.giganews.com!nntp.giganews.com!local01.nntp.dca.giganews.com!nntp.is.co.za!news.is.co.za.POSTED!not-for-mail Xref: nightfall.franklin.ch alt.healing.reiki:23008 "Theo" wrote in message news:38t3nnF5meuccU1@uni-berlin.de... | If I want to send Reki to someone that bothers me.. I send it with | compassion to change the person's attitude.. How about sending it to yourself to change *your* attitude? Why should the other change and you want to remain the same? Is your attitude more correct? To send reiki with the expectation that the other should or must change to conform to my likes, is already a form of violence towards them, to send that with compassion is just not possible. I belief that part of Reiki is to encourage us to abandon such self-centred attitudes and world views. -- Namu Amida Butsu Peter Reber "Life knows its needs" ###### From: Stuart Vernon Newsgroups: alt.healing.reiki Subject: Re: Can Reiki Cause Harm? Date: Sat, 05 Mar 2005 12:45:54 +0000 Lines: 25 Message-ID: <38to03F5rou3aU1@individual.net> References: <42291176.1396106@news.east.earthlink.net> <38t3nnF5meuccU1@uni-berlin.de> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Trace: individual.net vfAs5g4zjaRQ8EGrM++EVQGACPdvzyqd8bu0ij5e2gt+eOaA8= User-Agent: Mozilla Thunderbird 0.9 (Windows/20041103) X-Accept-Language: en-us, en In-Reply-To: Path: nightfall.franklin.ch!news1.ethz.ch!news-zh.switch.ch!switch.ch!newscore.univie.ac.at!fu-berlin.de!uni-berlin.de!individual.net!not-for-mail Xref: nightfall.franklin.ch alt.healing.reiki:23014 pr wrote: > "Theo" wrote in message > news:38t3nnF5meuccU1@uni-berlin.de... > | If I want to send Reki to someone that bothers me.. I send it > with > | compassion to change the person's attitude.. > How about sending it to yourself to change *your* attitude? > Why should the other change and you want to remain the same? > Is your attitude more correct? > To send reiki with the expectation that the other should or must > change to conform to my likes, is already a form of violence > towards them, to send that with compassion is just not possible. > I belief that part of Reiki is to encourage us to abandon such > self-centred attitudes and world views. Absolutely right Peter, although maybe you contradict yourself .. Is not the perception of a problem with others not your own problem? And therefore it does become a self/Self/SELF-centred issue although I believe you mean "selfish" .. Stuart ###### From: Stuart Vernon Newsgroups: alt.healing.reiki Subject: Re: Can Reiki Cause Harm? Date: Sat, 05 Mar 2005 12:49:13 +0000 Lines: 7 Message-ID: <38to69F5rou3aU2@individual.net> References: <42291176.1396106@news.east.earthlink.net> <38t3nnF5meuccU1@uni-berlin.de> <38to03F5rou3aU1@individual.net> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Trace: individual.net GaO57it5EiyDl8a9IW85QgLhQOMY1qimmQF3VNTf1e97ES8ZQ= User-Agent: Mozilla Thunderbird 0.9 (Windows/20041103) X-Accept-Language: en-us, en In-Reply-To: <38to03F5rou3aU1@individual.net> Path: nightfall.franklin.ch!news1.ethz.ch!news-zh.switch.ch!switch.ch!solnet.ch!solnet.ch!fu-berlin.de!uni-berlin.de!individual.net!not-for-mail Xref: nightfall.franklin.ch alt.healing.reiki:23015 Stuart Vernon wrote: > Is not the perception of a problem with others not Double negative there ... strike out any of the "not"s .. :) Stuart ###### From: Stuart Vernon Newsgroups: alt.healing.reiki Subject: Re: Can Reiki Cause Harm? Date: Sat, 05 Mar 2005 12:52:49 +0000 Lines: 4 Message-ID: <38tod1F5rlt84U1@individual.net> References: <42291176.1396106@news.east.earthlink.net> <38t3nnF5meuccU1@uni-berlin.de> <38to03F5rou3aU1@individual.net> <38to69F5rou3aU2@individual.net> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Trace: individual.net VAmCS6nuH7qZRnm3Ux2fRg3uH3psl5LSOz2Iw/oJLqyd0n7Bk= User-Agent: Mozilla Thunderbird 0.9 (Windows/20041103) X-Accept-Language: en-us, en In-Reply-To: <38to69F5rou3aU2@individual.net> Path: nightfall.franklin.ch!news1.ethz.ch!news-zh.switch.ch!switch.ch!solnet.ch!solnet.ch!fu-berlin.de!uni-berlin.de!individual.net!not-for-mail Xref: nightfall.franklin.ch alt.healing.reiki:23016 But only one of them .. Stuart ###### From: Theo Newsgroups: alt.healing.reiki Subject: Re: Can Reiki Cause Harm? Date: Sat, 05 Mar 2005 14:13:50 +0100 Lines: 42 Message-ID: <38tpk1F5tdhmdU1@uni-berlin.de> References: <42291176.1396106@news.east.earthlink.net> <38t3nnF5meuccU1@uni-berlin.de> Reply-To: byjoke@ch.inter.net Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Trace: news.uni-berlin.de uhbo6mT+t/6iapywZ0gMQAQDz4H6xnxOcrc4cpQVEBlO71Gobeo0aO User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows; U; Windows NT 5.1; en-US; rv:1.4) Gecko/20030624 Netscape/7.1 (ax) X-Accept-Language: en, fr, it In-Reply-To: Path: nightfall.franklin.ch!news1.ethz.ch!news-zh.switch.ch!irazu.switch.ch!switch.ch!news.belwue.de!fu-berlin.de!uni-berlin.de!not-for-mail Xref: nightfall.franklin.ch alt.healing.reiki:23017 pr wrote: > "Theo" wrote in message > news:38t3nnF5meuccU1@uni-berlin.de... > | If I want to send Reki to someone that bothers me.. I send it > with > | compassion to change the person's attitude.. > How about sending it to yourself to change *your* attitude? yes with ompassion understanding and positiveness the person align herself in theh right mood with you .. you *do not push* the person , you just give ago if *the person has personal problems with you to be healed* each of us has our symphty and athipties sometimes cannot be overcome sometimes can Reiki can help > Why should the other change and you want to remain the same? I did not say that, do not forget that sending Reiki heals you first as channel and the recipient also > Is your attitude more correct? not applicble than > To send reiki with the expectation that the other should or must > change to conform to my likes, is already a form of violence > towards them, to send that with compassion is just not possible. you misunderstoo what I ment ,you see things in your personal point of view or probably I did not express myself clear enough > I belief that part of Reiki is to encourage us to abandon such > self-centred attitudes and world views. true the bullet heals the gun and the target Theo778@hotmail.com MSN messanger / or ICQ 25 666 169 4 Private Mail : Theo@ch.inter.net Just for today... don't worry .....be happy ###### NNTP-Posting-Date: Sat, 05 Mar 2005 20:26:55 -0600 X-Trace-PostClient-IP: 196.23.217.10 From: "pr" Newsgroups: alt.healing.reiki References: <42291176.1396106@news.east.earthlink.net> <38t3nnF5meuccU1@uni-berlin.de> <38to03F5rou3aU1@individual.net> Subject: Re: Can Reiki Cause Harm? Date: Sat, 5 Mar 2005 18:23:51 +0200 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.2180 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2180 Message-ID: Lines: 51 X-Trace: sv3-D16sEOaqlEFpjb4AE1+aWNzfYzwO32F5pdEvCxAdb6fzS6UfGcLiLCA93LHWdJLzb68JhCJoT20v9hZ!QC8g4R/9qq3i0kEC0mc7QTVPxlTPlZoVt0M0d+sPsAc3ma4SYhVMk6iiOHtDaIXS09I= X-Complaints-To: abuse@is.co.za X-DMCA-Complaints-To: abuse@is.co.za X-Abuse-and-DMCA-Info: Please be sure to forward a copy of ALL headers X-Abuse-and-DMCA-Info: Otherwise we will be unable to process your complaint properly X-Postfilter: 1.3.32 Path: nightfall.franklin.ch!news1.ethz.ch!news-zh.switch.ch!switch.ch!solnet.ch!solnet.ch!news.glorb.com!border1.nntp.dca.giganews.com!nntp.giganews.com!local01.nntp.dca.giganews.com!nntp.is.co.za!news.is.co.za.POSTED!not-for-mail Xref: nightfall.franklin.ch alt.healing.reiki:23040 "Stuart Vernon" wrote in message news:38to03F5rou3aU1@individual.net... | pr wrote: | > "Theo" wrote in message | > news:38t3nnF5meuccU1@uni-berlin.de... | > | > | If I want to send Reki to someone that bothers me.. I send it with | > | compassion to change the person's attitude.. | > | > How about sending it to yourself to change *your* attitude? | > Why should the other change and you want to remain the same? | > Is your attitude more correct? | > To send reiki with the expectation that the other should or must | > change to conform to my likes, is already a form of violence | > towards them, to send that with compassion is just not possible. | > | > I belief that part of Reiki is to encourage us to abandon such | > self-centred attitudes and world views. | | Absolutely right Peter, although maybe you contradict yourself .. | | Is not the perception of a problem with others not your own | problem? And therefore it does become a self/Self/SELF-centred | issue although I believe you mean "selfish" .. I really mean self-centred. In the middle ages the universe was earth-centred, everything revolved around it, it was the pivot and therefore the most important thing that existed. Nowadays we are human-centred on a massive scale, humanity and its needs and wishes are all that count. The rest of nature? Who cares? On a personal level most of us are self-centred, the pivotal point around which the whole universe dances, sometimes to our pleasure, but woe if it is to our dislike. Many a man (and woman) exists only for himself to the exclusion of everything else. Selfishness arises out of this self-centered view. I know that this is a gross generalisation and many transcend this view, especially in crisis situations but the attitude still seem to pretty prevalent as soon as our ordinary life snaps back into place. -- Namu Amida Butsu Peter Reber "Life knows its needs" ###### From: "telulah" Newsgroups: alt.healing.reiki Subject: Re: Can Reiki Cause Harm? Date: Sat, 05 Mar 2005 11:37:56 -0500 Organization: www.talkaboutrecovery.com Message-ID: <71a9b2a820f898ff27336463f5c534a2@localhost.talkaboutrecovery.com> X-Newsreader: www.talkaboutrecovery.com Content-Type: text/plain; References: <42291176.1396106@news.east.earthlink.net> X-Complaints-To: abuse@supernews.com Lines: 19 Path: nightfall.franklin.ch!news1.ethz.ch!news-zh.switch.ch!irazu.switch.ch!switch.ch!newsfeed00.sul.t-online.de!t-online.de!newshub.sdsu.edu!tethys.csu.net!nntp.csufresno.edu!sn-xit-02!sn-xit-01!sn-post-01!supernews.com!corp.supernews.com!not-for-mail Xref: nightfall.franklin.ch alt.healing.reiki:23028 Garry, People throw energy around all the time for all kinds of reasons whether or not they have learned to 'play' with it. Those that use energy, especially those who are mindful, can direct a lot more of it than most who don't. Everyone has a responsibility concerning the energy they project though not everyone accepts or acknowledges that responsibility. That energy is usually personal energy and has nothing to do with Reiki unless they are conciously using Reiki in this manner. In that case I would say they are abusing their respnosibilities concerning Reiki. Do I believe that Reiki can cause harm? That is another thread. blessings telulah ###### From: Theo Newsgroups: alt.healing.reiki Subject: Re: Can Reiki Cause Harm? Date: Sat, 05 Mar 2005 18:16:37 +0100 Lines: 30 Message-ID: <38u7r7F5r4l5hU1@uni-berlin.de> References: <42291176.1396106@news.east.earthlink.net> <71a9b2a820f898ff27336463f5c534a2@localhost.talkaboutrecovery.com> Reply-To: byjoke@ch.inter.net Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Trace: news.uni-berlin.de fUCsVn5la6k78dA920DWkgU24XEFCZzAj6Fi1KZ0HaUvQXMspSLuyE User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows; U; Windows NT 5.1; en-US; rv:1.4) Gecko/20030624 Netscape/7.1 (ax) X-Accept-Language: en, fr, it In-Reply-To: <71a9b2a820f898ff27336463f5c534a2@localhost.talkaboutrecovery.com> Path: nightfall.franklin.ch!news1.ethz.ch!news-zh.switch.ch!switch.ch!solnet.ch!solnet.ch!fu-berlin.de!uni-berlin.de!not-for-mail Xref: nightfall.franklin.ch alt.healing.reiki:23029 I think we are sliding into supertition and complicate what is simple... telulah wrote: > Garry, > People throw energy around all the time for all kinds of reasons > whether > or not they have learned to 'play' with it. Those that use energy, > especially those who are mindful, can direct a lot > more of it than most who don't. > Everyone has a responsibility concerning the energy they project > though > not everyone accepts or acknowledges that responsibility. That > energy is usually personal energy and has nothing to do with Reiki > unless they are conciously using Reiki in this manner. In that case I > would say they are abusing their respnosibilities concerning Reiki. > Do I believe that Reiki can cause harm? That is another thread. > blessings > telulah > -- Theo778@hotmail.com MSN messanger / or ICQ 25 666 169 4 Private Mail : Theo@ch.inter.net Just for today... don't worry .....be happy ###### From: "telulah" Newsgroups: alt.healing.reiki Subject: Re: Can Reiki Cause Harm? Date: Sat, 05 Mar 2005 14:46:46 -0500 Organization: www.talkaboutrecovery.com Message-ID: X-Newsreader: www.talkaboutrecovery.com Content-Type: text/plain; References: <42291176.1396106@news.east.earthlink.net> <71a9b2a820f898ff27336463f5c534a2@localhost.talkaboutrecovery.com> <38u7r7F5r4l5hU1@uni-berlin.de> X-Complaints-To: abuse@supernews.com Lines: 15 Path: nightfall.franklin.ch!news1.ethz.ch!news-zh.switch.ch!switch.ch!solnet.ch!solnet.ch!news.glorb.com!news-hog.berkeley.edu!newsfeed.berkeley.edu!ucberkeley!sn-xit-03!sn-xit-11!sn-xit-12!sn-xit-06!sn-post-02!sn-post-01!supernews.com!corp.supernews.com!not-for-mail Xref: nightfall.franklin.ch alt.healing.reiki:23030 Theo, Do you mean superstition? If so I don't understand how you mean that in referrence to my reply. Please clairify. Reikii is simple, too simple for most people that is why there is so many added symbols, practices, and attempts to control it. Still, I don't understand how that relates to my reply. Enlighten me please. blessings telulah ###### From: Theo Newsgroups: alt.healing.reiki Subject: Re: Can Reiki Cause Harm? Date: Sat, 05 Mar 2005 21:37:42 +0100 Lines: 62 Message-ID: <38ujk8F5p4hcoU1@uni-berlin.de> References: <42291176.1396106@news.east.earthlink.net> <71a9b2a820f898ff27336463f5c534a2@localhost.talkaboutrecovery.com> <38u7r7F5r4l5hU1@uni-berlin.de> Reply-To: byjoke@ch.inter.net Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Trace: news.uni-berlin.de MK9KEeUub2Sme0x/VEafsANIMNROXEQyXhFhO7aMrsm6QusPDHXbiE User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows; U; Windows NT 5.1; en-US; rv:1.4) Gecko/20030624 Netscape/7.1 (ax) X-Accept-Language: en, fr, it In-Reply-To: Path: nightfall.franklin.ch!news1.ethz.ch!news-zh.switch.ch!switch.ch!solnet.ch!solnet.ch!fu-berlin.de!uni-berlin.de!not-for-mail Xref: nightfall.franklin.ch alt.healing.reiki:23031 telulah wrote: > Theo, > Do you mean superstition? > If so I don't understand how you mean that in referrence to my reply. > Please clairify. > Reikii is simple, too simple for most people that is why there is so > many > added symbols, practices, and attempts to control it. Still, I don't > understand how that relates to my reply. Enlighten me please. > blessings > telulah HI you said that to Garry > People throw energy around all the time for all kinds of reasons whether > or not they have learned to 'play' with it. yes it is energy self eneryg this is why often we are tired but it is not Reiki > Those that use energy, especially those who are mindful, can direct a lot > more of it than most who don't. in this case can be Reiki or other ,... if would I want to do a Spell I would another form of energy , I would not do it thinking Reiki > Everyone has a responsibility concerning the energy they project though > not everyone accepts or acknowledges that responsibility. we create the world in which we live yes I agree , but if we do it consciously , if we do not our world is built up according destiny forces if we start thinking and fear that we are responsible of whatever we do .. I think we start to attach the notion of sin, bad and good and so we become supersticious , we must be aware of that possibility but that must not condition our free will I mean if you start reiking your day out every time you get out of your home, IMHO you are getting a little bit screwed up .. it is a neurosis or a superticion , if you give reiki to your food it is ok if after a while you forget does not matter , if you feel guilty as you forgot it has become a supersticion - > That energy is usually personal energy and has nothing to do with Reiki I agree > unless they are conciously using Reiki in this manner. In that case I > would say they are abusing their respnosibilities concerning Reiki. I do not see what you are meaning here ,according what either you can be Right or wrong in my opinion > Do I believe that Reiki can cause harm? That is another thread. it is said that even if one use intentionally Reiki to do harm it does not work .. other people smile slyly and think it works .. each of us is responsible of his acts ...as above said , I do not want to test .. Theo778@hotmail.com MSN messanger / or ICQ 25 666 169 4 Private Mail : Theo@ch.inter.net Just for today... don't worry .....be happy ###### From: "barefoot_doctor" Newsgroups: alt.healing.reiki Subject: Re: Can Reiki Cause Harm? 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No, of course not. But people can. Barefoot. ###### From: "ShadowWolf" Newsgroups: alt.healing.reiki References: <42291176.1396106@news.east.earthlink.net> Subject: Re: Can Reiki Cause Harm? Lines: 62 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.2180 X-RFC2646: Format=Flowed; Original X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2180 Message-ID: Date: Sat, 05 Mar 2005 22:12:02 GMT NNTP-Posting-Host: 68.205.84.19 X-Complaints-To: abuse@rr.com X-Trace: tornado.tampabay.rr.com 1110060722 68.205.84.19 (Sat, 05 Mar 2005 17:12:02 EST) NNTP-Posting-Date: Sat, 05 Mar 2005 17:12:02 EST Organization: Road Runner High Speed Online http://www.rr.com Path: nightfall.franklin.ch!news1.ethz.ch!news-zh.switch.ch!switch.ch!news.ip-plus.net!newsfeed.ip-plus.net!news.tesion.net!news.belwue.de!feed.news.tiscali.de!news.maxwell.syr.edu!newsfeed-west.nntpserver.com!news-west.rr.com!news-feed-01.tampabay.rr.com!news.rr.com!news-post.tampabay.rr.com!tornado.tampabay.rr.com.POSTED!53ab2750!not-for-mail Xref: nightfall.franklin.ch alt.healing.reiki:23033 Since Reiki is the name used by Dr Usui to identify his system of accessing Universal Life Force Energy (Insert whatever name you prefer) it follows that Reiki can not be used for any purpose other than that intended by Dr Usui. His intentions seemed rather clear that his system was to be one that enabled everyone to easily access the Life Force Energy without having to spend countless years studing under another person. His system was intended as both a self healing system and a system that would assist others in their healing process. There is nothing within his teachings that allows the Energy to be controled by te practitioner other than the fact tyhat they are able to activate it (the energy). Any harmful actions that occur can most likely be attributated to an attempt of the practitioner trying to utilize another form of Energy or healing work at the same time. In such a case it is possible that the practitioner has not received the proper training for the additional healing method used and therefore could cause harm. The Universal Life Force energy by any name is everywhere and is an intragal part of all living things/people therefore it is not harmful. Namaste' ShadowWolf "Garry Williams" wrote in message news:42291176.1396106@news.east.earthlink.net... >I know this has been done to death, but who knows? Maybe dragging it > out into the sunlight again after having aged below ground a while > might give it some new flavor! > > Anyways, I'm going to quote a snippage from someone else's post on > another list to get the ball rolling. Opinions and perspectives about > what this person says? > > ----------- begin quote ---------------------- > I still do believe that Reiki can ever hurt/cause harm, but I also > know that once you learn to "play" with energy, you can "play" with > energy and even though you may not be doing Reiki, you are using > energy. Like let's say you are a Reiki II, you have learned to play > with energy by sending energy (Reiki) long distance. So, you practice > and practice - you can now send energy without even thinking about > much about it - it has become second nature. Now, let's say that > someone makes you mad, you may not be sending Reiki at that person, > but I bet whether you mean to or not, you are sending energy at that > person, probably some not so nice energy. If you don't acknowledge > it, you can't stop it. If someone upset's me, I go do Reiki on myself > (full body Reiki), refusing to let that person's name or image enter > my mind, then when I am done, I send Reiki to the person without any > anger. So, even though it is no longer Reiki, I do believe we have a > responsibility to be aware of what kinds of energy we are sending out > to other's and to the earth, especially when we are upset. > > -------------- end quoted message -------------------- > > Love and Light, > > Garry > ###### From: Stuart Vernon Newsgroups: alt.healing.reiki Subject: Re: Can Reiki Cause Harm? Date: Sun, 06 Mar 2005 00:00:03 +0000 Lines: 14 Message-ID: <38uvg7F5rhuo0U1@individual.net> References: <42291176.1396106@news.east.earthlink.net> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Trace: individual.net Y+bQGIa9UvvyopdeaboizgJCpGofkw8KjaQ58IvusMNlltPXw= User-Agent: Mozilla Thunderbird 0.9 (Windows/20041103) X-Accept-Language: en-us, en In-Reply-To: Path: nightfall.franklin.ch!news1.ethz.ch!news-zh.switch.ch!switch.ch!news.ip-plus.net!newsfeed.ip-plus.net!news.tesion.net!news.belwue.de!fu-berlin.de!uni-berlin.de!individual.net!not-for-mail Xref: nightfall.franklin.ch alt.healing.reiki:23034 ShadowWolf wrote: Good to 'see' you again Wolfie .. as we stir the pot of the past, the Kraken Wakes? ... ;) > The Universal Life Force energy by any name is everywhere and is an > intragal part of all living things/people therefore it is not > harmful. But is it homogeneous? Or subject to perturbations either naturally or by intent, those local perturbations being possibly me or thee .. Stuart ###### From: "telulah" Newsgroups: alt.healing.reiki Subject: Re: Can Reiki Cause Harm? Date: Sat, 05 Mar 2005 20:56:01 -0500 Organization: www.talkaboutrecovery.com Message-ID: <2fbb8ec82e7a29443d482ae56a6b9697@localhost.talkaboutrecovery.com> X-Newsreader: www.talkaboutrecovery.com Content-Type: text/plain; References: <42291176.1396106@news.east.earthlink.net> <71a9b2a820f898ff27336463f5c534a2@localhost.talkaboutrecovery.com> <38u7r7F5r4l5hU1@uni-berlin.de> <38ujk8F5p4hcoU1@uni-berlin.de> X-Complaints-To: abuse@supernews.com Lines: 77 Path: nightfall.franklin.ch!news1.ethz.ch!news-zh.switch.ch!irazu.switch.ch!switch.ch!news.maxwell.syr.edu!newshub.sdsu.edu!tethys.csu.net!nntp.csufresno.edu!sn-xit-03!sn-xit-08!sn-post-02!sn-post-01!supernews.com!corp.supernews.com!not-for-mail Xref: nightfall.franklin.ch alt.healing.reiki:23038 Theo greetings, >> People throw energy around all the time for all kinds of reasons whether >> >or not they have learned to 'play' with it. > yes it is energy self eneryg this is why often we are >tired but it is not Reiki I never said it was nor did I intend to imply such. I was speaking of energy in generic terms. >> Those that use energy, especially those who are mindful, can direct a lot more of it than most who don't. >in this case can be Reiki or other ,... if would I want to >do a Spell I would another form of energy , I would >not do it thinking Reiki Again I was speaking of energy in generic terms. >> Everyone has a responsibility concerning the energy >>they project though not everyone accepts or >>acknowledges that responsibility. to which you said: >we create the world in which we live yes I agree , but if >we do it consciously , if we do not our world is built >up according destiny forces if we start thinking and >fear that we are responsible of whatever we do .. I >think we start to attach the notion of sin, bad and >good and >so we become supersticious , we must be aware of >that possibility but that must not condition our free will We create our reality either conciously or uncouciously. Every decision we make or don't make accrues karma that will need to be dealt with. I'm not calling any of it good, bad, or anything in between. If I have a responsibility that I don't meet then I haven't met a responsibility and accrue karma accordingly. I'm haven't necessairily done anything wrong. If I am projecting energy (notice I didn't say Reiki) out of anger then I am responsible for the effects of that energy. If I am projecting energy out of joy then I am also responsible for the effects of that energy. How I present myself is my responsibility whether it is a conscious decision or not. >> unless they are conciously using Reiki in this manner. In that case I would say they are abusing their respnosibilities concerning Reiki > I do not see what you are meaning here ,according what either you can be Right or wrong in my opinion I am saying that each of us as practitioners have made an agreement in the form of the principles of Reiki when we became practitioners. Just for today I will honor all living things. If we are throwing around energy that is causing distress in other living things the we have abused our responsibility. >> Do I believe that Reiki can cause harm? That is another thread. > it is said that even if one use intentionally Reiki to do harm it does not work .. other people smile slyly and think it works . A lot of things are said and harm can be percieved in many different ways. >each of us is responsible of his acts ...as above said , I do not want to test .. I believe you have contridicted yourself. blessings telulah ###### From: gdwill@earthlink.net (Garry Williams) Newsgroups: alt.healing.reiki Subject: Re: Can Reiki Cause Harm? Reply-To: gdwill@earthlink.net Message-ID: <422a7a94.1041678@news.east.earthlink.net> References: <42291176.1396106@news.east.earthlink.net> X-Newsreader: Forte Free Agent 1.11/32.235 Lines: 35 Date: Sun, 06 Mar 2005 03:48:02 GMT NNTP-Posting-Host: 4.152.60.176 X-Complaints-To: abuse@earthlink.net X-Trace: newsread3.news.atl.earthlink.net 1110080882 4.152.60.176 (Sat, 05 Mar 2005 19:48:02 PST) NNTP-Posting-Date: Sat, 05 Mar 2005 19:48:02 PST Organization: EarthLink Inc. -- http://www.EarthLink.net Path: nightfall.franklin.ch!news1.ethz.ch!news-zh.switch.ch!switch.ch!newscore.univie.ac.at!newsfeed01.sul.t-online.de!newsfeed00.sul.t-online.de!t-online.de!border2.nntp.dca.giganews.com!border1.nntp.dca.giganews.com!nntp.giganews.com!newshub.sdsu.edu!elnk-nf2-pas!newsfeed.earthlink.net!stamper.news.pas.earthlink.net!stamper.news.atl.earthlink.net!newsread3.news.atl.earthlink.net.POSTED!7510546c!not-for-mail Xref: nightfall.franklin.ch alt.healing.reiki:23041 Hi Wolf! Great to hear from you! It's been too long! On Sat, 05 Mar 2005 22:12:02 GMT, "ShadowWolf" wrote: >Any harmful actions that occur can most likely be attributated to an attempt >of the practitioner trying to utilize another form of Energy or healing >work at the same time. In such a case it is possible that the practitioner >has not received the proper training for the additional healing method used >and therefore could cause harm. I understand the concept of "another form of healing work". I'm not so sure about the concept of "another form of Energy". Can any of us say what is Reiki (the energy) exactly? There are many that claim that their system accesses one type of energy or another, or that the particular energy that they access is a "higher" or "more powerful" energy, etc. That these are separate and apart from Reiki (and Reiki is separate and apart from them). We're all familiar with that sort of claim. I would dispute the idea that Reiki (the energy) has just one form. I would suspect that it can be manifested in whatever manner we can imagine, and the same is probably true of any other modality. We shape it with our intentions and expectations and limited perceptions, and what we get is what we (choose) to see. But YMMV, of course. >The Universal Life Force energy by any name is everywhere and is an intragal >part of all living things/people therefore it is not harmful. I'll buy that, but probably not for the same reasons you do. :-) Love and Light, Garry ###### NNTP-Posting-Date: Sat, 05 Mar 2005 21:55:55 -0600 X-Trace-PostClient-IP: 196.23.216.206 From: "pr" Newsgroups: alt.healing.reiki References: <42291176.1396106@news.east.earthlink.net> <1110058308.895917.50370@g14g2000cwa.googlegroups.com> Subject: Re: Can Reiki Cause Harm? Date: Sun, 6 Mar 2005 05:54:42 +0200 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.2180 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2180 Message-ID: Lines: 18 X-Trace: sv3-StsenGYSz2aGEcwYoevMuRCboW9DRSICfO4x23Nqtzhkv8PUXxYGvYwqjRft3xH2L3jGS4brmS+xySJ!9mlBFN1Vm5Q41GO31O28dyk3uedbyYo2IWbkTs/qgGm9k3+6wzuWNCzMhDh5LoB2JE0= X-Complaints-To: abuse@is.co.za X-DMCA-Complaints-To: abuse@is.co.za X-Abuse-and-DMCA-Info: Please be sure to forward a copy of ALL headers X-Abuse-and-DMCA-Info: Otherwise we will be unable to process your complaint properly X-Postfilter: 1.3.32 Path: nightfall.franklin.ch!news1.ethz.ch!news-zh.switch.ch!irazu.switch.ch!switch.ch!newsfeed00.sul.t-online.de!t-online.de!news.glorb.com!border1.nntp.dca.giganews.com!nntp.giganews.com!local01.nntp.dca.giganews.com!nntp.is.co.za!news.is.co.za.POSTED!not-for-mail Xref: nightfall.franklin.ch alt.healing.reiki:23043 "barefoot_doctor" wrote in message news:1110058308.895917.50370@g14g2000cwa.googlegroups.com... | Can Reiki cause harm? | | No, of course not. | | But people can. You mean the reiki practitioner can do harm? Please go on with this thought. -- Namu Amida Butsu Peter Reber "Life knows its needs" ###### From: Theo Newsgroups: alt.healing.reiki Subject: Re: Can Reiki Cause Harm? Date: Sun, 06 Mar 2005 08:08:41 +0100 Lines: 101 Message-ID: <38voj8F5rmp9jU1@uni-berlin.de> References: <42291176.1396106@news.east.earthlink.net> Reply-To: byjoke@ch.inter.net Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Trace: news.uni-berlin.de Ix68IPancEpLLCWg8jpKTwbl6ywjbDXeVnf1N+pdT0zn88tUd8bIOW User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows; U; Windows NT 5.1; en-US; rv:1.4) Gecko/20030624 Netscape/7.1 (ax) X-Accept-Language: en, fr, it In-Reply-To: Path: nightfall.franklin.ch!news1.ethz.ch!news-zh.switch.ch!switch.ch!solnet.ch!solnet.ch!fu-berlin.de!uni-berlin.de!not-for-mail Xref: nightfall.franklin.ch alt.healing.reiki:23044 Hi Alex ShadowWolf wrote: snip > Any harmful actions that occur can most likely be attributated to an > attempt of the practitioner trying to utilize another form of Energy > or healing work at the same time. In such a case it is possible that > the practitioner has not received the proper training for the > additional healing method used and therefore could cause harm. I do not think so .. I mean if something goes wrong it is because sometimes the pratictioneer transfers some of his problems to the recipient and viceversa hence the necessity of grounding after .. this happens mostly when one or the two are quite sensitive I persobnally do not see how could I think healing and harming teh recipient at teh same time it demands two different way of emotional thinking a mispractice , for example allying pressure in some points can result in some physical problems but when one use onla hands without touching I thinks it does not harm BTW I sow last night a TV report ( a part of it unfortunately) about Shamanism .. very intersting I did not know thaht is recognized by World health organization as a so pratice to solve psycosomatic problems . tehy show some practice, some are just teh same as Reiki teh rest tehy use drums instead of symbols . as I thought the ceremony is putting teh Shaman in teh MOOD to use teh energy in fact the drumming beating sound .. and so Kotodama when one is a learned user of it ) modifies your heart beat and puts your in Theta mode ( scientifically proved with electrobrain waves .). and also scientifically tested about Shamanism validity ... but it works mainly on psycosomatic it means on physical problems related to the emotional stress so emotional and spiritual healing The people that use mostly shamamism are actually in the Siberian and Asian part of Russia where the etnic groups live separated by big distances and shamans travel to bring their help the Sahamanism has survived there in almost 100 % original , even small statues used for some healing are of the very primitive and arcaic style .. Shamanism has been re-introduced as legal religious practice in these countries after the fall of the communism Shamanism is wide spreading alla over europe Were shown groups in Zurich in France Germany and I just read on a magazine that one French guy in Lausanne is giving tuitions as introduction to druid shamanism ... > The Universal Life Force energy by any name is everywhere and is an > intragal part of all living things/people therefore it is not > harmful. > Namaste' > ShadowWolf > "Garry Williams" wrote in message > news:42291176.1396106@news.east.earthlink.net... > >>I know this has been done to death, but who knows? Maybe dragging it >>out into the sunlight again after having aged below ground a while >>might give it some new flavor! >> >>Anyways, I'm going to quote a snippage from someone else's post on >>another list to get the ball rolling. Opinions and perspectives about >>what this person says? >> >> ----------- begin quote ---------------------- >>I still do believe that Reiki can ever hurt/cause harm, but I also >>know that once you learn to "play" with energy, you can "play" with >>energy and even though you may not be doing Reiki, you are using >>energy. Like let's say you are a Reiki II, you have learned to play >>with energy by sending energy (Reiki) long distance. So, you practice >>and practice - you can now send energy without even thinking about >>much about it - it has become second nature. Now, let's say that >>someone makes you mad, you may not be sending Reiki at that person, >>but I bet whether you mean to or not, you are sending energy at that >>person, probably some not so nice energy. If you don't acknowledge >>it, you can't stop it. If someone upset's me, I go do Reiki on myself >>(full body Reiki), refusing to let that person's name or image enter >>my mind, then when I am done, I send Reiki to the person without any >>anger. So, even though it is no longer Reiki, I do believe we have a >>responsibility to be aware of what kinds of energy we are sending out >>to other's and to the earth, especially when we are upset. >> >> -------------- end quoted message -------------------- >> >>Love and Light, >> >>Garry >> > -- Theo778@hotmail.com MSN messanger / or ICQ 25 666 169 4 Private Mail : Theo@ch.inter.net Just for today... don't worry .....be happy ###### From: Theo Newsgroups: alt.healing.reiki Subject: Re: Can Reiki Cause Harm? Date: Sun, 06 Mar 2005 08:13:13 +0100 Lines: 33 Message-ID: <38voroF5tfunoU1@uni-berlin.de> References: <42291176.1396106@news.east.earthlink.net> <38uvg7F5rhuo0U1@individual.net> Reply-To: byjoke@ch.inter.net Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Trace: news.uni-berlin.de Ixb4eddMHyhSHC/3STreIQJcX1A16qOmtR/Nvz9Mh6+KXSSWsri8JI User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows; U; Windows NT 5.1; en-US; rv:1.4) Gecko/20030624 Netscape/7.1 (ax) X-Accept-Language: en, fr, it In-Reply-To: <38uvg7F5rhuo0U1@individual.net> Path: nightfall.franklin.ch!news1.ethz.ch!news-zh.switch.ch!switch.ch!solnet.ch!solnet.ch!fu-berlin.de!uni-berlin.de!not-for-mail Xref: nightfall.franklin.ch alt.healing.reiki:23045 Stuart Vernon wrote: > ShadowWolf wrote: > > Good to 'see' you again Wolfie .. as we stir the pot of the past, > the Kraken Wakes? ... ;) > >> The Universal Life Force energy by any name is everywhere and is an >> intragal part of all living things/people therefore it is not >> harmful. > But is it homogeneous? Or subject to perturbations either naturally > or by intent, those local perturbations being possibly me or thee .. > Stuart you mean if you are gay and give reiki can make the other person become gay or he backdraf you straight ? :-D Personally I am very sensible to the person's mood and get easily contaminated .. so might be the same in Reiki after all a channel is established linking the two Theo778@hotmail.com MSN messanger / or ICQ 25 666 169 4 Private Mail : Theo@ch.inter.net Just for today... don't worry .....be happy ###### From: Theo Newsgroups: alt.healing.reiki Subject: Re: Can Reiki Cause Harm? Date: Sun, 06 Mar 2005 08:39:15 +0100 Lines: 52 Message-ID: <38vqciF5rie88U1@uni-berlin.de> References: <42291176.1396106@news.east.earthlink.net> <71a9b2a820f898ff27336463f5c534a2@localhost.talkaboutrecovery.com> <38u7r7F5r4l5hU1@uni-berlin.de> <38ujk8F5p4hcoU1@uni-berlin.de> <2fbb8ec82e7a29443d482ae56a6b9697@localhost.talkaboutrecovery.com> Reply-To: byjoke@ch.inter.net Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Trace: news.uni-berlin.de pHc8aqnrfdL2S6XbvEDfoAkZMIWFofKpM2ODtgLqyTG066kdBHQj8Z User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows; U; Windows NT 5.1; en-US; rv:1.4) Gecko/20030624 Netscape/7.1 (ax) X-Accept-Language: en, fr, it In-Reply-To: <2fbb8ec82e7a29443d482ae56a6b9697@localhost.talkaboutrecovery.com> Path: nightfall.franklin.ch!news1.ethz.ch!news-zh.switch.ch!switch.ch!solnet.ch!solnet.ch!fu-berlin.de!uni-berlin.de!not-for-mail Xref: nightfall.franklin.ch alt.healing.reiki:23048 telulah wrote: I agree ( snip) > We create our reality either conciously or uncouciously. Every decision we > make or don't make accrues karma that will need to be dealt with. I'm not > calling any of it good, bad, or anything in between. If I have a > responsibility that I don't meet then I haven't met a responsibility and > accrue karma accordingly. I'm haven't necessairily done anything wrong. If > I am projecting energy (notice I didn't say Reiki) out of anger then I am > responsible for the effects of that energy. If I am projecting energy out > of joy then I am also responsible for the effects of that > energy. How I present myself is my responsibility whether it is a > conscious > decision or not. > of course our cellular activity brain haart is based on electricity hence energy breathing is anheehr way of energy(combustion) digestion the same combustion but chemical love is energy sex is another form we *irradiate* happines or sadness or bad humor or hate .. so we use energy whatever sort might it be > I am saying that each of us as practitioners have made an agreement in the > form of the principles of Reiki when we became practitioners. Just for > today I will honor all living things. If we are throwing around energy > that is causing distress in other living things the we have abused our > responsibility. of course I would not even think that to send reki to someone to make the person sick for my pleasure or for fun or because of an agenda I have , and anyway it DOES NOT WORK in this line ... > A lot of things are said and harm can be percieved in many different > ways. we are going out off the main topic to enter into bifurcations > I believe you have contridicted yourself. misinterpretation probably Blessings Theo778@hotmail.com MSN messanger / or ICQ 25 666 169 4 Private Mail : Theo@ch.inter.net Just for today... don't worry .....be happy ###### From: Theo Newsgroups: alt.healing.reiki Subject: Re: Can Reiki Cause Harm? Date: Sun, 06 Mar 2005 08:58:10 +0100 Lines: 82 Message-ID: <38vrg0F5r8v62U1@uni-berlin.de> References: <42291176.1396106@news.east.earthlink.net> <422a7a94.1041678@news.east.earthlink.net> Reply-To: byjoke@ch.inter.net Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Trace: news.uni-berlin.de 0jo7FLUFFR3MSGZO56XrVAEBOVLEC9DfpYjPg1ASiJGG1083J+sXYI User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows; U; Windows NT 5.1; en-US; rv:1.4) Gecko/20030624 Netscape/7.1 (ax) X-Accept-Language: en, fr, it In-Reply-To: <422a7a94.1041678@news.east.earthlink.net> Path: nightfall.franklin.ch!news1.ethz.ch!news-zh.switch.ch!switch.ch!solnet.ch!solnet.ch!fu-berlin.de!uni-berlin.de!not-for-mail Xref: nightfall.franklin.ch alt.healing.reiki:23049 > Hi Wolf! Great to hear from you! It's been too long! > On Sat, 05 Mar 2005 22:12:02 GMT, "ShadowWolf" > wrote: > > >> Any harmful actions that occur can most likely be attributated to >> an attempt of the practitioner trying to utilize another form of >> Energy or healing work at the same time. In such a case it is >> possible that the practitioner has not received the proper training >> for the additional healing method used and therefore could cause >> harm. > I understand the concept of "another form of healing work". I'm not > so > sure about the concept of "another form of Energy". Can any of us say > what is Reiki (the energy) exactly? There are many that claim that > their system accesses one type of energy or another, or that the > particular energy that they access is a "higher" or "more powerful" > energy, etc. That these are separate and apart from Reiki (and Reiki > is separate and apart from them). We're all familiar with that sort of > claim. I would dispute the idea that Reiki (the energy) has just one > form. I would suspect that it can be manifested in whatever manner we > can imagine, and the same is probably true of any other modality. We > shape it with our intentions and expectations and limited perceptions, > and what we get is what we (choose) to see. But YMMV, of course. > Garry I see things this way.. thinks energy like electricity you have high voltage lines.. this lines are than separated in lower voltage and reach a building this lines split again in the building one goes for heating anotehr for stove another for Tw stero light bulbs air conditioner and so on some are 220 volts some others become 120 or 1.5 volts according the engine working with it .. now the energy conveyed is the same it is always flowing .. but sometimes a bulb blasts and the air conditiones start coughing badly or a plug shortcuts .. but the energy is still flowing in this building and apartment only the *use * of the bulb the air conditioning , the plug " is stopped or energy is **:-D stagnating***or not "flowing* so all diferent system of energy we know as yoga tai chi and so on work with specific sectors or appliances Reiki is the main POWER all others are secondary users if you stop Reiki ( main power ) all is dead all stops universe stop life stop ... It is the same energy but used in different *forms* so heart use a quantity of it ,brain anotheer muscles another and so on like a house and his appliances but if an *appliance* does not work does not means that REIKI IS NOT WORKING .. A SORT OF IT( under voltage of Reiki) IS NOT MAKING THE PROPER ENGINE WORK .. SO YOU NEED TO FIND OUT WHY .. NERMALLY SENDING REIKI SHOULD REMOVE THE BLOCKAGE .. normally .......:-) than comes intention ..... .... ok ? >> The Universal Life Force energy by any name is everywhere and is an >> intragal part of all living things/people therefore it is not >> harmful. > I'll buy that, but probably not for the same reasons you do. :-) > Love and Light, > Garry > -- Theo778@hotmail.com MSN messanger / or ICQ 25 666 169 4 Private Mail : Theo@ch.inter.net Just for today... don't worry .....be happy ###### From: "telulah" Newsgroups: alt.healing.reiki Subject: Re: Can Reiki Cause Harm? Date: Sun, 06 Mar 2005 03:04:41 -0500 Organization: www.talkaboutrecovery.com Message-ID: X-Newsreader: www.talkaboutrecovery.com Content-Type: text/plain; References: <42291176.1396106@news.east.earthlink.net> <71a9b2a820f898ff27336463f5c534a2@localhost.talkaboutrecovery.com> <38u7r7F5r4l5hU1@uni-berlin.de> <38ujk8F5p4hcoU1@uni-berlin.de> <2fbb8ec82e7a29443d482ae56a6b9697@localhost.talkaboutrecovery.com> X-Complaints-To: abuse@supernews.com Lines: 10 Path: nightfall.franklin.ch!news1.ethz.ch!news-zh.switch.ch!switch.ch!solnet.ch!solnet.ch!news.glorb.com!logbridge.uoregon.edu!tethys.csu.net!nntp.csufresno.edu!sn-xit-02!sn-xit-01!sn-post-01!supernews.com!corp.supernews.com!not-for-mail Xref: nightfall.franklin.ch alt.healing.reiki:23050 Theo, I don't know if I am expressing myself poorly or what but I never said that anyone was using Reiki to cause distress (of any kind). Moving on. blessings telulah ###### From: Theo Newsgroups: alt.healing.reiki Subject: Re: Can Reiki Cause Harm? Date: Sun, 06 Mar 2005 09:11:38 +0100 Lines: 19 Message-ID: <38vs99F5s2vo4U1@uni-berlin.de> References: <42291176.1396106@news.east.earthlink.net> <71a9b2a820f898ff27336463f5c534a2@localhost.talkaboutrecovery.com> <38u7r7F5r4l5hU1@uni-berlin.de> <38ujk8F5p4hcoU1@uni-berlin.de> <2fbb8ec82e7a29443d482ae56a6b9697@localhost.talkaboutrecovery.com> Reply-To: byjoke@ch.inter.net Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Trace: news.uni-berlin.de D6Gbn5NZg5FJmvL2n7D10gnkPPCk+YrHLvDC3hZ04TBcbPoulrbT4N User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows; U; Windows NT 5.1; en-US; rv:1.4) Gecko/20030624 Netscape/7.1 (ax) X-Accept-Language: en, fr, it In-Reply-To: Path: nightfall.franklin.ch!news1.ethz.ch!news-zh.switch.ch!switch.ch!solnet.ch!solnet.ch!fu-berlin.de!uni-berlin.de!not-for-mail Xref: nightfall.franklin.ch alt.healing.reiki:23052 telulah wrote: > Theo, > I don't know if I am expressing myself poorly or what but I never > said > that anyone was using Reiki to cause distress (of any kind). distress you mean harm ? barefoot apparently did see PR question to him we are alla playing with words and making a huge confusion as you noticed I am not of english mothertongue cheers Theo778@hotmail.com MSN messanger / or ICQ 25 666 169 4 Private Mail : Theo@ch.inter.net Just for today... don't worry .....be happy ###### From: Stuart Vernon Newsgroups: alt.healing.reiki Subject: Re: Can Reiki Cause Harm? Date: Sun, 06 Mar 2005 11:31:33 +0000 Lines: 7 Message-ID: <39080kF5sh68aU1@individual.net> References: <42291176.1396106@news.east.earthlink.net> <422a7a94.1041678@news.east.earthlink.net> <38vrg0F5r8v62U1@uni-berlin.de> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Trace: individual.net eXyQFepXLr/ORASNH0VT7A+2g9t1G9M6HP8rknROAIr+Qtauw= User-Agent: Mozilla Thunderbird 0.9 (Windows/20041103) X-Accept-Language: en-us, en In-Reply-To: <38vrg0F5r8v62U1@uni-berlin.de> Path: nightfall.franklin.ch!news1.ethz.ch!news-zh.switch.ch!switch.ch!solnet.ch!solnet.ch!fu-berlin.de!uni-berlin.de!individual.net!not-for-mail Xref: nightfall.franklin.ch alt.healing.reiki:23053 Interesting analogy, Theo .. But viewed from the perspective of a healthy lightbulb, the "energy" is only potential until the switch is flicked .. Stuart ###### From: Theo Newsgroups: alt.healing.reiki Subject: Re: Can Reiki Cause Harm? Date: Sun, 06 Mar 2005 12:54:50 +0100 Lines: 18 Message-ID: <3909boF5t0os7U2@uni-berlin.de> References: <42291176.1396106@news.east.earthlink.net> <422a7a94.1041678@news.east.earthlink.net> <38vrg0F5r8v62U1@uni-berlin.de> <39080kF5sh68aU1@individual.net> Reply-To: byjoke@ch.inter.net Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Trace: news.uni-berlin.de YTk4QpitR+vJaL/iaMhi0gWUpy6z2dZNw/nEJswddtESwKphuKkeei User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows; U; Windows NT 5.1; en-US; rv:1.4) Gecko/20030624 Netscape/7.1 (ax) X-Accept-Language: en, fr, it In-Reply-To: <39080kF5sh68aU1@individual.net> Path: nightfall.franklin.ch!news1.ethz.ch!news-zh.switch.ch!switch.ch!solnet.ch!solnet.ch!fu-berlin.de!uni-berlin.de!not-for-mail Xref: nightfall.franklin.ch alt.healing.reiki:23055 Stuart Vernon wrote: > Interesting analogy, Theo .. > But viewed from the perspective of a healthy lightbulb, the > "energy" is only potential until the switch is flicked .. > Stuart yes like our dick :-D Theo778@hotmail.com MSN messanger / or ICQ 25 666 169 4 Private Mail : Theo@ch.inter.net Just for today... don't worry .....be happy ###### From: Stuart Vernon Newsgroups: alt.healing.reiki Subject: Re: Can Reiki Cause Harm? Date: Sun, 06 Mar 2005 12:05:04 +0000 Lines: 9 Message-ID: <3909vgF5uerqjU2@individual.net> References: <42291176.1396106@news.east.earthlink.net> <422a7a94.1041678@news.east.earthlink.net> <38vrg0F5r8v62U1@uni-berlin.de> <39080kF5sh68aU1@individual.net> <3909boF5t0os7U2@uni-berlin.de> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Trace: individual.net dnxCmFBTuizqp6x+qORWGwlDBpI38u9cozy2tqcr85CTawRWs= User-Agent: Mozilla Thunderbird 0.9 (Windows/20041103) X-Accept-Language: en-us, en In-Reply-To: <3909boF5t0os7U2@uni-berlin.de> Path: nightfall.franklin.ch!news1.ethz.ch!news-zh.switch.ch!switch.ch!news.imp.ch!news.imp.ch!fu-berlin.de!uni-berlin.de!individual.net!not-for-mail Xref: nightfall.franklin.ch alt.healing.reiki:23058 Theo wrote: > yes like our dick :-D Wanna buy some V14gra? B3st MEDS ava1lable 4 u .. Stuart ###### From: Theo Newsgroups: alt.healing.reiki Subject: Re: Can Reiki Cause Harm? Date: Sun, 06 Mar 2005 14:08:07 +0100 Lines: 27 Message-ID: <390dl5F5l80m9U1@uni-berlin.de> References: <42291176.1396106@news.east.earthlink.net> <422a7a94.1041678@news.east.earthlink.net> <38vrg0F5r8v62U1@uni-berlin.de> <39080kF5sh68aU1@individual.net> <3909boF5t0os7U2@uni-berlin.de> <3909vgF5uerqjU2@individual.net> Reply-To: byjoke@ch.inter.net Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Trace: news.uni-berlin.de RmCW1Oll0HQfEC4pC2di5wjBtP2Qe0+A9QEn0mYbl1lms4iZiPxZxC User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows; U; Windows NT 5.1; en-US; rv:1.4) Gecko/20030624 Netscape/7.1 (ax) X-Accept-Language: en, fr, it In-Reply-To: <3909vgF5uerqjU2@individual.net> Path: nightfall.franklin.ch!news1.ethz.ch!news-zh.switch.ch!switch.ch!solnet.ch!solnet.ch!fu-berlin.de!uni-berlin.de!not-for-mail Xref: nightfall.franklin.ch alt.healing.reiki:23061 Stuart Vernon wrote: > Theo wrote: > >> yes like our dick :-D > Wanna buy some V14gra? > B3st MEDS ava1lable 4 u .. > Stuart a guy was talking about buying Cialis in Mexico trought internet 2.50 us x pill if I correctly remembre they had but said I di not explain why I bought than a girl talked about her boyfriend taking Cialis... but did not work so I asked what it was about it seems that half pill makes 3 days erection ... :-OOOOO well might a reason for a divorce at our age ...:-) or widowing Theo778@hotmail.com MSN messanger / or ICQ 25 666 169 4 Private Mail : Theo@ch.inter.net Just for today... don't worry .....be happy ###### From: gdwill@earthlink.net (Garry Williams) Newsgroups: alt.healing.reiki Subject: Re: Can Reiki Cause Harm? Reply-To: gdwill@earthlink.net Message-ID: <422b046f.1324007@news.east.earthlink.net> References: <42291176.1396106@news.east.earthlink.net> <422a7a94.1041678@news.east.earthlink.net> <38vrg0F5r8v62U1@uni-berlin.de> X-Newsreader: Forte Free Agent 1.11/32.235 Lines: 24 Date: Sun, 06 Mar 2005 13:32:21 GMT NNTP-Posting-Host: 4.152.153.2 X-Complaints-To: abuse@earthlink.net X-Trace: newsread2.news.atl.earthlink.net 1110115941 4.152.153.2 (Sun, 06 Mar 2005 05:32:21 PST) NNTP-Posting-Date: Sun, 06 Mar 2005 05:32:21 PST Organization: EarthLink Inc. -- http://www.EarthLink.net Path: nightfall.franklin.ch!news1.ethz.ch!news-zh.switch.ch!switch.ch!solnet.ch!solnet.ch!news.glorb.com!newshub.sdsu.edu!elnk-nf2-pas!newsfeed.earthlink.net!stamper.news.pas.earthlink.net!stamper.news.atl.earthlink.net!newsread2.news.atl.earthlink.net.POSTED!7510546c!not-for-mail Xref: nightfall.franklin.ch alt.healing.reiki:23064 On Sun, 06 Mar 2005 08:58:10 +0100, Theo wrote: >Garry > I see things this way.. thinks energy like electricity > you have high voltage lines.. Theo, nice analogy, but that wasn't what I was questioning. I was questioning the idea that some people think, oh, my modality uses a "different frequency" than your modality, and therefore mine is better. To put it in terms of your analogy, I question when people say "my Air Conditioner Energy modality is more powerful than your Light Bulb Energy modality, so I can heal people more effectively than you can." My point is that we're all using the same energy no matter what modality we practice, and I seriously doubt that anyone can focus it down to one single frequency when they're working. Where it gets selected is on the receiving end, by the cells and organs, body, mind and spirit, of the person whose healing is being facilitated. Love and Light, Garry . ###### From: gdwill@earthlink.net (Garry Williams) Newsgroups: alt.healing.reiki Subject: Re: Can Reiki Cause Harm? Reply-To: gdwill@earthlink.net Message-ID: <422b0711.1997390@news.east.earthlink.net> References: <42291176.1396106@news.east.earthlink.net> <38voj8F5rmp9jU1@uni-berlin.de> X-Newsreader: Forte Free Agent 1.11/32.235 Lines: 13 Date: Sun, 06 Mar 2005 13:36:45 GMT NNTP-Posting-Host: 4.152.153.2 X-Complaints-To: abuse@earthlink.net X-Trace: newsread2.news.atl.earthlink.net 1110116205 4.152.153.2 (Sun, 06 Mar 2005 05:36:45 PST) NNTP-Posting-Date: Sun, 06 Mar 2005 05:36:45 PST Organization: EarthLink Inc. -- http://www.EarthLink.net Path: nightfall.franklin.ch!news1.ethz.ch!news-zh.switch.ch!switch.ch!news.hispeed.ch!newsfeed.inode.at!newsfeed.freenet.de!newsfeed00.sul.t-online.de!t-online.de!newshub.sdsu.edu!elnk-nf2-pas!newsfeed.earthlink.net!stamper.news.pas.earthlink.net!stamper.news.atl.earthlink.net!newsread2.news.atl.earthlink.net.POSTED!7510546c!not-for-mail Xref: nightfall.franklin.ch alt.healing.reiki:23065 On Sun, 06 Mar 2005 08:08:41 +0100, Theo wrote: > >Hi Alex >ShadowWolf wrote: You're losing it Theo. Notice above, you said "Hi Alex". But notice also that you are quoting ShadowWolf. Go get another cup of coffee. Garry ###### NNTP-Posting-Date: Sun, 06 Mar 2005 08:49:05 -0600 X-Trace-PostClient-IP: 196.23.216.57 From: "pr" Newsgroups: alt.healing.reiki References: <42291176.1396106@news.east.earthlink.net> <422a7a94.1041678@news.east.earthlink.net> <38vrg0F5r8v62U1@uni-berlin.de> <422b046f.1324007@news.east.earthlink.net> Subject: Re: Can Reiki Cause Harm? Date: Sun, 6 Mar 2005 16:48:25 +0200 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.2180 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2180 Message-ID: Lines: 28 X-Trace: sv3-EgZOC7SdTo8gogSyJYOata2vGR3aKKXw/PIjtojtit2MHBWIoZvNtTtH1L/82DU4TaF4mMxpQWROSvi!RhxNehgeAD1w/uVlgfeSRjkLE5M9SXMaVGWOUyF4RO9yb7baoZiwr3qx2EkCVOnv0OI= X-Complaints-To: abuse@is.co.za X-DMCA-Complaints-To: abuse@is.co.za X-Abuse-and-DMCA-Info: Please be sure to forward a copy of ALL headers X-Abuse-and-DMCA-Info: Otherwise we will be unable to process your complaint properly X-Postfilter: 1.3.32 Path: nightfall.franklin.ch!news1.ethz.ch!news-zh.switch.ch!switch.ch!news.imp.ch!news.imp.ch!209.11.36.156.MISMATCH!nntp-server.pubsub.com!news.glorb.com!border1.nntp.dca.giganews.com!nntp.giganews.com!local01.nntp.dca.giganews.com!nntp.is.co.za!news.is.co.za.POSTED!not-for-mail Xref: nightfall.franklin.ch alt.healing.reiki:23067 "Garry Williams" wrote in message news:422b046f.1324007@news.east.earthlink.net... | | Theo, nice analogy, but that wasn't what I was questioning. I was | questioning the idea that some people think, oh, my modality uses a | "different frequency" than your modality, and therefore mine is | better. To put it in terms of your analogy, I question when people say | "my Air Conditioner Energy modality is more powerful than your Light | Bulb Energy modality, so I can heal people more effectively than you | can." My point is that we're all using the same energy no matter what | modality we practice, and I seriously doubt that anyone can focus it | down to one single frequency when they're working. Where it gets | selected is on the receiving end, by the cells and organs, body, mind | and spirit, of the person whose healing is being facilitated. I haven't thought about this in any depth, just a thought that came to mind. What if reiki is not the energy itself but the principle that organises the energy available in a more healthy or a more health producing manner? -- Namu Amida Butsu Peter Reber "Life knows its needs" ###### From: Theo Newsgroups: alt.healing.reiki Subject: Re: Can Reiki Cause Harm? Date: Sun, 06 Mar 2005 16:17:08 +0100 Lines: 45 Message-ID: <390l71F5p4gctU1@uni-berlin.de> References: <42291176.1396106@news.east.earthlink.net> <422a7a94.1041678@news.east.earthlink.net> <38vrg0F5r8v62U1@uni-berlin.de> <422b046f.1324007@news.east.earthlink.net> Reply-To: byjoke@ch.inter.net Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Trace: news.uni-berlin.de 73mf3IPX5icHKySykOQz8AzSmbuSwmG5EtH6mGR9xrwcComo/eP8M7 User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows; U; Windows NT 5.1; en-US; rv:1.4) Gecko/20030624 Netscape/7.1 (ax) X-Accept-Language: en, fr, it In-Reply-To: <422b046f.1324007@news.east.earthlink.net> Path: nightfall.franklin.ch!news1.ethz.ch!news-zh.switch.ch!switch.ch!news.ip-plus.net!newsfeed.ip-plus.net!news.tesion.net!news.belwue.de!fu-berlin.de!uni-berlin.de!not-for-mail Xref: nightfall.franklin.ch alt.healing.reiki:23069 HI Garry Garry Williams wrote: > On Sun, 06 Mar 2005 08:58:10 +0100, Theo wrote: > >>Garry >> I see things this way.. thinks energy like electricity >> you have high voltage lines.. > > Theo, nice analogy, but that wasn't what I was questioning. I was > questioning the idea that some people think, oh, my modality uses a > "different frequency" than your modality, and therefore mine is > better. To put it in terms of your analogy, I question when people say > "my Air Conditioner Energy modality is more powerful than your Light > Bulb Energy modality, so I can heal people more effectively than you > can." My point is that we're all using the same energy no matter what > modality we practice, and I seriously doubt that anyone can focus it > down to one single frequency when they're working. Where it gets > selected is on the receiving end, by the cells and organs, body, mind > and spirit, of the person whose healing is being facilitated. > Love and Light, > Garry more or less join the same conclusion I agree that no one system is better than anotehrs and I am sure Qi Gong is excellent to cure some troubles as deals with some lines of energy and probbly with a form of energy as yoga as well but it is the seme UE applied in different ways.. the fact that some people can succeed in a way of healing better than in another I think it might depend 1) the ability of the persono to use that energy or system that probably is more suitable for him than for another person 2) some people are more gifted than others to use whatever energy Theo778@hotmail.com MSN messanger / or ICQ 25 666 169 4 Private Mail : Theo@ch.inter.net Just for today... don't worry .....be happy ###### From: Theo Newsgroups: alt.healing.reiki Subject: Re: Can Reiki Cause Harm? Date: Sun, 06 Mar 2005 16:17:54 +0100 Lines: 24 Message-ID: <390l8fF5p4gctU2@uni-berlin.de> References: <42291176.1396106@news.east.earthlink.net> <38voj8F5rmp9jU1@uni-berlin.de> <422b0711.1997390@news.east.earthlink.net> Reply-To: byjoke@ch.inter.net Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Trace: news.uni-berlin.de 84Q0MVdhSQEQhNdCjV0lygshMdu+IK1VJRcibUU9oLvAfdFpZRVFrX User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows; U; Windows NT 5.1; en-US; rv:1.4) Gecko/20030624 Netscape/7.1 (ax) X-Accept-Language: en, fr, it In-Reply-To: <422b0711.1997390@news.east.earthlink.net> Path: nightfall.franklin.ch!news1.ethz.ch!news-zh.switch.ch!switch.ch!solnet.ch!solnet.ch!fu-berlin.de!uni-berlin.de!not-for-mail Xref: nightfall.franklin.ch alt.healing.reiki:23070 Garry Williams wrote: > On Sun, 06 Mar 2005 08:08:41 +0100, Theo wrote: > >>Hi Alex >>ShadowWolf wrote: > You're losing it Theo. Notice above, you said "Hi Alex". But notice > also that you are quoting ShadowWolf. Go get another cup of coffee. > > Garry No I realized too late but the mail was gone... :-) -- Theo778@hotmail.com MSN messanger / or ICQ 25 666 169 4 Private Mail : Theo@ch.inter.net Just for today... don't worry .....be happy ###### From: Alex Barna Organization: WorldWide_Spam_killers User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows; U; Windows NT 5.1; en-US; rv:1.7.5) Gecko/20041217 X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 Newsgroups: alt.healing.reiki Subject: Re: Can Reiki Cause Harm? References: <42291176.1396106@news.east.earthlink.net> <422a7a94.1041678@news.east.earthlink.net> <38vrg0F5r8v62U1@uni-berlin.de> <422b046f.1324007@news.east.earthlink.net> In-Reply-To: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Lines: 33 Message-ID: Date: Sun, 06 Mar 2005 09:57:47 -0600 NNTP-Posting-Host: 70.92.138.227 X-Complaints-To: abuse@rr.com X-Trace: twister.rdc-kc.rr.com 1110124523 70.92.138.227 (Sun, 06 Mar 2005 09:55:23 CST) NNTP-Posting-Date: Sun, 06 Mar 2005 09:55:23 CST Path: nightfall.franklin.ch!news1.ethz.ch!news-zh.switch.ch!switch.ch!news.imp.ch!news.imp.ch!snoopy.risq.qc.ca!in.100proofnews.com!in.100proofnews.com!news-west.rr.com!news.rr.com!cyclone.kc.rr.com!cyclone2.kc.rr.com!news2.kc.rr.com!twister.rdc-kc.rr.com.POSTED!53ab2750!not-for-mail Xref: nightfall.franklin.ch alt.healing.reiki:23073 Hi Peter, pr wrote: > I haven't thought about this in any depth, just a thought that > came to mind. What if reiki is not the energy itself but the > principle that organises the energy available in a more > healthy or a more health producing manner? I know this has been said before, Rei-Ki is the energy used in the practice of Reiki. So the statement can be made that; (The practice of) "reiki is not the energy itself, but the principle that organizes the energy (to be) available in a more healthy or a more health producing manner". GramPaHugs, Alex, -- Any information is included for informational or entertainment purposes only, is based on my personal experiences & is an expression of my opinion. **************************************************** * Love radiating from 45.10n x 93.30w M/SP Mn * AOL Click * AOL Click **************************************************** ###### From: Alex Barna Organization: WorldWide_Spam_killers User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows; U; Windows NT 5.1; en-US; rv:1.7.5) Gecko/20041217 X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 Newsgroups: alt.healing.reiki Subject: Re: Can Reiki Cause Harm? References: <42291176.1396106@news.east.earthlink.net> <38voj8F5rmp9jU1@uni-berlin.de> <422b0711.1997390@news.east.earthlink.net> In-Reply-To: <422b0711.1997390@news.east.earthlink.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Lines: 30 Message-ID: Date: Sun, 06 Mar 2005 16:24:12 GMT NNTP-Posting-Host: 70.92.138.227 X-Complaints-To: abuse@rr.com X-Trace: twister.rdc-kc.rr.com 1110126252 70.92.138.227 (Sun, 06 Mar 2005 10:24:12 CST) NNTP-Posting-Date: Sun, 06 Mar 2005 10:24:12 CST Path: nightfall.franklin.ch!news1.ethz.ch!news-zh.switch.ch!irazu.switch.ch!switch.ch!news.belwue.de!newsfeed01.sul.t-online.de!newsfeed00.sul.t-online.de!t-online.de!newshub.sdsu.edu!elnk-nf2-pas!elnk-pas-nf1!newsfeed.earthlink.net!cyclone.socal.rr.com!news-west.rr.com!news.rr.com!cyclone.kc.rr.com!cyclone2.kc.rr.com!news2.kc.rr.com!twister.rdc-kc.rr.com.POSTED!53ab2750!not-for-mail Xref: nightfall.franklin.ch alt.healing.reiki:23075 Garry Williams wrote: > On Sun, 06 Mar 2005 08:08:41 +0100, Theo > wrote: > >> Hi Alex ShadowWolf wrote: > You're losing it Theo. Notice above, you said "Hi Alex". But > notice also that you are quoting ShadowWolf. Go get another > cup of coffee. > Garry Hi, Garry, how do you know Theo isn't just responding to my spiritual pressence in his local last night. ^_^ GramPaHugs, Alex, -- Any information is included for informational or entertainment purposes only, is based on my personal experiences & is an expression of my opinion. **************************************************** * Love radiating from 45.10n x 93.30w M/SP Mn * AOL Click * AOL Click **************************************************** ###### From: gdwill@earthlink.net (Garry Williams) Newsgroups: alt.healing.reiki Subject: Re: Can Reiki Cause Harm? Reply-To: gdwill@earthlink.net Message-ID: <422b38fd.1117194@news.east.earthlink.net> References: <42291176.1396106@news.east.earthlink.net> <38voj8F5rmp9jU1@uni-berlin.de> <422b0711.1997390@news.east.earthlink.net> X-Newsreader: Forte Free Agent 1.11/32.235 Lines: 9 Date: Sun, 06 Mar 2005 17:09:05 GMT NNTP-Posting-Host: 4.152.186.199 X-Complaints-To: abuse@earthlink.net X-Trace: newsread2.news.atl.earthlink.net 1110128945 4.152.186.199 (Sun, 06 Mar 2005 09:09:05 PST) NNTP-Posting-Date: Sun, 06 Mar 2005 09:09:05 PST Organization: EarthLink Inc. -- http://www.EarthLink.net Path: nightfall.franklin.ch!news1.ethz.ch!news-zh.switch.ch!switch.ch!solnet.ch!solnet.ch!news.glorb.com!newshub.sdsu.edu!elnk-nf2-pas!newsfeed.earthlink.net!stamper.news.pas.earthlink.net!stamper.news.atl.earthlink.net!newsread2.news.atl.earthlink.net.POSTED!7510546c!not-for-mail Xref: nightfall.franklin.ch alt.healing.reiki:23076 On Sun, 06 Mar 2005 16:24:12 GMT, Alex Barna wrote: >Hi, Garry, how do you know Theo isn't just responding to my >spiritual pressence in his local last night. ^_^ Because I was with you the whole time, and you weren't there. Garry ###### From: Theo Newsgroups: alt.healing.reiki Subject: Re: Can Reiki Cause Harm? Date: Sun, 06 Mar 2005 18:15:10 +0100 Lines: 31 Message-ID: <390s4aF5rm076U1@uni-berlin.de> References: <42291176.1396106@news.east.earthlink.net> <38voj8F5rmp9jU1@uni-berlin.de> <422b0711.1997390@news.east.earthlink.net> Reply-To: byjoke@ch.inter.net Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Trace: news.uni-berlin.de ZgMmrHiorfVU0yLfOdJqjw+iNR1yZjGTDbzd5YMshIQ+JVCVYlU4l7 User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows; U; Windows NT 5.1; en-US; rv:1.4) Gecko/20030624 Netscape/7.1 (ax) X-Accept-Language: en, fr, it In-Reply-To: Path: nightfall.franklin.ch!news1.ethz.ch!news-zh.switch.ch!switch.ch!solnet.ch!solnet.ch!fu-berlin.de!uni-berlin.de!not-for-mail Xref: nightfall.franklin.ch alt.healing.reiki:23077 Alex Barna wrote: > Garry Williams wrote: > >> On Sun, 06 Mar 2005 08:08:41 +0100, Theo >> wrote: >> >>> Hi Alex ShadowWolf wrote: >> >> >> You're losing it Theo. Notice above, you said "Hi Alex". But >> notice also that you are quoting ShadowWolf. Go get another >> cup of coffee. >> >> Garry > Hi, Garry, how do you know Theo isn't just responding to my > spiritual pressence in his local last night. ^_^ > GramPaHugs, > Alex, Do not tell Garry all our secrets :-D Theo778@hotmail.com MSN messanger / or ICQ 25 666 169 4 Private Mail : Theo@ch.inter.net Just for today... don't worry .....be happy ###### From: "telulah" Newsgroups: alt.healing.reiki Subject: Re: Can Reiki Cause Harm? Date: Sun, 06 Mar 2005 13:50:40 -0500 Organization: www.talkaboutrecovery.com Message-ID: X-Newsreader: www.talkaboutrecovery.com Content-Type: text/plain; References: <42291176.1396106@news.east.earthlink.net> <71a9b2a820f898ff27336463f5c534a2@localhost.talkaboutrecovery.com> <38u7r7F5r4l5hU1@uni-berlin.de> <38ujk8F5p4hcoU1@uni-berlin.de> <2fbb8ec82e7a29443d482ae56a6b9697@localhost.talkaboutrecovery.com> <38vs99F5s2vo4U1@uni-berlin.de> X-Complaints-To: abuse@supernews.com Lines: 16 Path: nightfall.franklin.ch!news1.ethz.ch!news-zh.switch.ch!switch.ch!newscore.univie.ac.at!newsfeed01.sul.t-online.de!newsfeed00.sul.t-online.de!t-online.de!newshub.sdsu.edu!tethys.csu.net!nntp.csufresno.edu!sn-xit-02!sn-xit-06!sn-post-01!supernews.com!corp.supernews.com!not-for-mail Xref: nightfall.franklin.ch alt.healing.reiki:23078 Theo, Any time a person does not speak any language from childhood there are things that are never completely understood. By distress I mean physical, emotional, or mental discomfort. It could be expanded to include actual injury. I don't think the Reiki energy by itself can cause any actual harm but I do feel that the practitioner can. Harm can be percieved in many ways. Responsibility, accountability, and mindfullnes are very important. blessings telulah ###### From: Stuart Vernon Newsgroups: alt.healing.reiki Subject: Re: Can Reiki Cause Harm? Date: Sun, 06 Mar 2005 19:00:24 +0000 Lines: 17 Message-ID: <3912abF5u4kvjU1@individual.net> References: <42291176.1396106@news.east.earthlink.net> <71a9b2a820f898ff27336463f5c534a2@localhost.talkaboutrecovery.com> <38u7r7F5r4l5hU1@uni-berlin.de> <38ujk8F5p4hcoU1@uni-berlin.de> <2fbb8ec82e7a29443d482ae56a6b9697@localhost.talkaboutrecovery.com> <38vs99F5s2vo4U1@uni-berlin.de> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Trace: individual.net E+D1psMfK5xUm0viN7tlNg0qNuJq0ayiucVeXbyRCBKqA61Kc= User-Agent: Mozilla Thunderbird 0.9 (Windows/20041103) X-Accept-Language: en-us, en In-Reply-To: Path: nightfall.franklin.ch!news1.ethz.ch!news-zh.switch.ch!irazu.switch.ch!switch.ch!newsmi-eu.news.garr.it!NewsITBone-GARR!fu-berlin.de!uni-berlin.de!individual.net!not-for-mail Xref: nightfall.franklin.ch alt.healing.reiki:23079 telulah wrote: > I don't think the Reiki energy by itself can cause any actual harm but I > do feel that the practitioner can. Harm can be percieved in many > ways. When the practitioner gets personally (I don't mean intimately) involved perhaps from a place of misguided altruism .. > Responsibility, accountability, and mindfullnes are very important. Yes indeed ... > blessings > telulah Stuart ###### From: "ShadowWolf" Newsgroups: alt.healing.reiki References: <42291176.1396106@news.east.earthlink.net> <38uvg7F5rhuo0U1@individual.net> Subject: Re: Can Reiki Cause Harm? Lines: 46 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.2180 X-RFC2646: Format=Flowed; Response X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2180 Message-ID: Date: Sun, 06 Mar 2005 19:14:23 GMT NNTP-Posting-Host: 68.205.84.19 X-Complaints-To: abuse@rr.com X-Trace: tornado.tampabay.rr.com 1110136463 68.205.84.19 (Sun, 06 Mar 2005 14:14:23 EST) NNTP-Posting-Date: Sun, 06 Mar 2005 14:14:23 EST Organization: Road Runner High Speed Online http://www.rr.com Path: nightfall.franklin.ch!news1.ethz.ch!news-zh.switch.ch!irazu.switch.ch!switch.ch!news.maxwell.syr.edu!elnk-pas-nf1!newsfeed.earthlink.net!cyclone.socal.rr.com!cyclone2.kc.rr.com!news2.kc.rr.com!news-post.tampabay.rr.com!tornado.tampabay.rr.com.POSTED!53ab2750!not-for-mail Xref: nightfall.franklin.ch alt.healing.reiki:23080 Greetings Stuart, Good question for stiring....See below. "Stuart Vernon" wrote in message news:38uvg7F5rhuo0U1@individual.net... > ShadowWolf wrote: > > > > Good to 'see' you again Wolfie .. as we stir the pot of the past, > the Kraken Wakes? ... ;) > >> The Universal Life Force energy by any name is everywhere and is an >> intragal part of all living things/people therefore it is not harmful. > > But is it homogeneous? Or subject to perturbations either naturally > or by intent, those local perturbations being possibly me or thee .. > > Stuart Of course all we can truly do is theorize and we already know there are as many theories as people. As I see it today the Universal Life Force is both the subtance and the creator of everything that comes after its exhistance. It therefore must be comprised of all possible elements needed for whatever it creates be that creation a direct or indirect act. Both Positive and Negative aspects are always present. At the same time that which has been created is endowed with the ability to co-create in qhat appears to be an unending cycle. It is this aspect that presents us with the illusion of Oneness with the Universe. I say illusion because we in our limited ability to understand the total picture limit ourselves to that which we have discovered to some degree. Although we can not truly manipulate and control that which the Universal Life Force does at any given time we can by our persistance and or interferance in a perticular situation cause a degree of change to occur. However we can not freely duplicate the results at our whims and can not predict the actual results prior to taking action. Wolf ###### From: Stuart Vernon Newsgroups: alt.healing.reiki Subject: Re: Can Reiki Cause Harm? Date: Sun, 06 Mar 2005 19:19:14 +0000 Lines: 13 Message-ID: <3913dmF5sj9f3U1@individual.net> References: <42291176.1396106@news.east.earthlink.net> <38uvg7F5rhuo0U1@individual.net> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Trace: individual.net K2C1JMqpONLeFw7bgCQHiQysnT3VGT4sltkztd7B/Ct263xNk= User-Agent: Mozilla Thunderbird 0.9 (Windows/20041103) X-Accept-Language: en-us, en In-Reply-To: Path: nightfall.franklin.ch!news1.ethz.ch!news-zh.switch.ch!switch.ch!news.ip-plus.net!newsfeed.ip-plus.net!news.tesion.net!news.belwue.de!fu-berlin.de!uni-berlin.de!individual.net!not-for-mail Xref: nightfall.franklin.ch alt.healing.reiki:23081 ShadowWolf wrote: > However we can not freely duplicate the results at our whims and can > not predict the actual results prior to taking action. Very true ... Que Sera, Sera Stuart ###### From: "ShadowWolf" Newsgroups: alt.healing.reiki References: <42291176.1396106@news.east.earthlink.net> <38uvg7F5rhuo0U1@individual.net> <38voroF5tfunoU1@uni-berlin.de> Subject: Re: Can Reiki Cause Harm? Lines: 40 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.2180 X-RFC2646: Format=Flowed; Response X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2180 Message-ID: Date: Sun, 06 Mar 2005 19:26:28 GMT NNTP-Posting-Host: 68.205.84.19 X-Complaints-To: abuse@rr.com X-Trace: tornado.tampabay.rr.com 1110137188 68.205.84.19 (Sun, 06 Mar 2005 14:26:28 EST) NNTP-Posting-Date: Sun, 06 Mar 2005 14:26:28 EST Organization: Road Runner High Speed Online http://www.rr.com Path: nightfall.franklin.ch!news1.ethz.ch!news-zh.switch.ch!switch.ch!news.imp.ch!news.imp.ch!nntp-out.monmouth.com!newspeer.monmouth.com!news-east.rr.com!news.rr.com!news-server.columbus.rr.com!cyclone2.kc.rr.com!news2.kc.rr.com!news-post.tampabay.rr.com!tornado.tampabay.rr.com.POSTED!53ab2750!not-for-mail Xref: nightfall.franklin.ch alt.healing.reiki:23082 Hi Theo, "Theo" wrote in message news:38voroF5tfunoU1@uni-berlin.de... > you mean > if you are gay and give reiki can make the other person become gay or he > backdraf you straight ? :-D > > Personally I am very sensible to the person's mood and get easily > contaminated .. > so might be the same in Reiki after all a channel is established linking > the two > That is interesting. I can only answer from my own experience and that is you certainly do not transfer your sexual preferances in either direction. I know you were joking...right? :-D Establishing a channel which links the two is certainly a common theory and it certainly can cause one to create situations which are not healthy for either party. There are certain aspects of sharing the Life Force Energy in Reiki which are "Theory" rather than establish fact and one is that the energy must enter the practitioner through the crown chakra, move into the heart and than through the arms into the recipient. Now although it is easy to see why such a description would appear to be logical and that it would create a linking of the two participants it doesn't at any point explain why the Energy needs to transfer through rather than just go direct into the receiver. (which is much easier for me to digest) Both can receive at the same time in either situation but in the second they each receive direct energy and energy that is not tainted by any possible intentions of the practitioner. Namaste' Wolf ###### From: "ShadowWolf" Newsgroups: alt.healing.reiki References: <42291176.1396106@news.east.earthlink.net> <422a7a94.1041678@news.east.earthlink.net> Subject: Re: Can Reiki Cause Harm? Lines: 78 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.2180 X-RFC2646: Format=Flowed; Original X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2180 Message-ID: Date: Sun, 06 Mar 2005 19:43:17 GMT NNTP-Posting-Host: 68.205.84.19 X-Complaints-To: abuse@rr.com X-Trace: tornado.tampabay.rr.com 1110138197 68.205.84.19 (Sun, 06 Mar 2005 14:43:17 EST) NNTP-Posting-Date: Sun, 06 Mar 2005 14:43:17 EST Organization: Road Runner High Speed Online http://www.rr.com Path: nightfall.franklin.ch!news1.ethz.ch!news-zh.switch.ch!irazu.switch.ch!switch.ch!news.maxwell.syr.edu!elnk-pas-nf1!newsfeed.earthlink.net!cyclone.socal.rr.com!cyclone2.kc.rr.com!news2.kc.rr.com!news-post.tampabay.rr.com!tornado.tampabay.rr.com.POSTED!53ab2750!not-for-mail Xref: nightfall.franklin.ch alt.healing.reiki:23089 Hi Gary, Good to see you also, I have to agree that no one can actually determine exactly what is the energy used in Reiki vs that used in any other healing form. rather it is the method used to access and share that truly differs. As for what it feels like well we all know that what we feel and or sence is based on our own individual perceptions at that moment and those sensations can differ from moment to moment. In the previous post when I wrote - >>Any harmful actions that occur can most likely be attributated to an attempt >>of the practitioner trying to utilize another form of Energy or healing >>work at the same time. < I did not mean to seperate "energy" from "healing work" as se[erate items rather i ment Energy work or if you prefer Healing Work. Sorry. Long ago before Robertson, Milner, Barbara ray Weber, Rand or any of the countless people who have endevored to present new and improved Reiki Systems the general attitude of Reiki Teachers when they came in contact with healers from other modalities was to attempt to convience them that the Energy in the Reiki system was totally differant than that which any of the others were utilizing and of course it was to be understood that reiki's energy was superior to all the others. In the years I have been invoved in healing work I can say that at this point I have yet to see or meet anyone who can demonstrate such a differance exhist. certainly it is not because I have refused to examine any of the variations as I have enough Certifications to paper my house with at this point in time... Love and light Wolf "Garry Williams" wrote in message news:422a7a94.1041678@news.east.earthlink.net... > Hi Wolf! Great to hear from you! It's been too long! > > On Sat, 05 Mar 2005 22:12:02 GMT, "ShadowWolf" > wrote: > > > >>Any harmful actions that occur can most likely be attributated to an >>attempt >>of the practitioner trying to utilize another form of Energy or healing >>work at the same time. >practitioner >>has not received the proper training for the additional healing method >>used >>and therefore could cause harm. > > I understand the concept of "another form of healing work". I'm not so > sure about the concept of "another form of Energy". Can any of us say > what is Reiki (the energy) exactly? There are many that claim that > their system accesses one type of energy or another, or that the > particular energy that they access is a "higher" or "more powerful" > energy, etc. That these are separate and apart from Reiki (and Reiki > is separate and apart from them). We're all familiar with that sort of > claim. I would dispute the idea that Reiki (the energy) has just one > form. I would suspect that it can be manifested in whatever manner we > can imagine, and the same is probably true of any other modality. We > shape it with our intentions and expectations and limited perceptions, > and what we get is what we (choose) to see. But YMMV, of course. > >>The Universal Life Force energy by any name is everywhere and is an >>intragal >>part of all living things/people therefore it is not harmful. > > I'll buy that, but probably not for the same reasons you do. :-) > > Love and Light, > > Garry > ###### From: "ShadowWolf" Newsgroups: alt.healing.reiki References: <42291176.1396106@news.east.earthlink.net> <422a7a94.1041678@news.east.earthlink.net> <38vrg0F5r8v62U1@uni-berlin.de> <422b046f.1324007@news.east.earthlink.net> Subject: Re: Can Reiki Cause Harm? Lines: 19 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.2180 X-RFC2646: Format=Flowed; Original X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2180 Message-ID: Date: Sun, 06 Mar 2005 19:48:07 GMT NNTP-Posting-Host: 68.205.84.19 X-Complaints-To: abuse@rr.com X-Trace: tornado.tampabay.rr.com 1110138487 68.205.84.19 (Sun, 06 Mar 2005 14:48:07 EST) NNTP-Posting-Date: Sun, 06 Mar 2005 14:48:07 EST Organization: Road Runner High Speed Online http://www.rr.com Path: nightfall.franklin.ch!news1.ethz.ch!news-zh.switch.ch!switch.ch!solnet.ch!solnet.ch!news2.euro.net!newshosting.com!nx01.iad01.newshosting.com!38.144.126.100.MISMATCH!feed5.newsreader.com!newsreader.com!border2.nntp.dca.giganews.com!nntp.giganews.com!cyclone1.gnilink.net!gnilink.net!cyclone.southeast.rr.com!news-feed-01.tampabay.rr.com!news.rr.com!news-post.tampabay.rr.com!tornado.tampabay.rr.com.POSTED!53ab2750!not-for-mail Xref: nightfall.franklin.ch alt.healing.reiki:23085 Hi Peter, "pr" wrote in message news:h9idnajdXcD6hbbfRVn-uQ@is.co.za... > > I haven't thought about this in any depth, just a thought > that came to mind. > What if reiki is not the energy itself but the principle > that organises the energy available in a more healthy > or a more health producing manner? Seems you have it right from where I stand, reiki is a system to access it is not the name of the energy. If followed with the intention of allowing it to bring balance to the receiver what could be more healthier? Wolf ###### From: "ShadowWolf" Newsgroups: alt.healing.reiki References: <42291176.1396106@news.east.earthlink.net> <422a7a94.1041678@news.east.earthlink.net> <38vrg0F5r8v62U1@uni-berlin.de> <422b046f.1324007@news.east.earthlink.net> Subject: Re: Can Reiki Cause Harm? Lines: 56 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.2180 X-RFC2646: Format=Flowed; Response X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2180 Message-ID: Date: Sun, 06 Mar 2005 19:56:19 GMT NNTP-Posting-Host: 68.205.84.19 X-Complaints-To: abuse@rr.com X-Trace: tornado.tampabay.rr.com 1110138979 68.205.84.19 (Sun, 06 Mar 2005 14:56:19 EST) NNTP-Posting-Date: Sun, 06 Mar 2005 14:56:19 EST Organization: Road Runner High Speed Online http://www.rr.com Path: nightfall.franklin.ch!news1.ethz.ch!news-zh.switch.ch!switch.ch!solnet.ch!solnet.ch!news.moat.net!in.100proofnews.com!in.100proofnews.com!news-west.rr.com!news.rr.com!cyclone.kc.rr.com!cyclone2.kc.rr.com!news2.kc.rr.com!news-post.tampabay.rr.com!tornado.tampabay.rr.com.POSTED!53ab2750!not-for-mail Xref: nightfall.franklin.ch alt.healing.reiki:23087 Hi Alex, > Rei-Ki is the energy used in the practice of Reiki. The above statement is yet another example of how information is distorted over the years by people attempting to make a point. That Rei and Ki are two seperate words is established by language experts but the use of rei and Ki by Usui was not as two seperate words, What he wrote, if we are to accept any of the articles that have surfaced after takata's passing, was that he would call "his system" Reiki. But no matter who is correct or who has produced actual articles there remains the simple logic that whatever the Force or Power is any name we care to apply to it is merely our means of identification for it. We could call it Apple energy and it would be the same. Peace Wolf "Alex Barna" wrote in message news:LJFWd.772$Zm4.455@twister.rdc-kc.rr.com... > Hi Peter, > > pr wrote: >> >> I haven't thought about this in any depth, just a thought that >> came to mind. What if reiki is not the energy itself but the >> principle that organises the energy available in a more >> healthy or a more health producing manner? > > I know this has been said before, > > Rei-Ki is the energy used in the practice of Reiki. > > So the statement can be made that; > > (The practice of) "reiki is not the energy itself, but the > principle that organizes the energy (to be) available in a more healthy or > a more health producing manner". > > GramPaHugs, > Alex, > > -- > > Any information is included for informational > or entertainment purposes only, is based on my > personal experiences & is an expression of my opinion. > > **************************************************** > * Love radiating from 45.10n x 93.30w M/SP Mn > * AOL Click > * AOL Click > **************************************************** ###### From: "barefoot_doctor" Newsgroups: alt.healing.reiki Subject: Re: Can Reiki Cause Harm? Date: 6 Mar 2005 12:01:41 -0800 Organization: http://groups.google.com Lines: 23 Message-ID: <1110138612.831090.91470@l41g2000cwc.googlegroups.com> References: <42291176.1396106@news.east.earthlink.net> <1110058308.895917.50370@g14g2000cwa.googlegroups.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: 62.31.135.28 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" X-Trace: posting.google.com 1110139305 13426 127.0.0.1 (6 Mar 2005 20:01:45 GMT) X-Complaints-To: groups-abuse@google.com NNTP-Posting-Date: Sun, 6 Mar 2005 20:01:45 +0000 (UTC) In-Reply-To: User-Agent: G2/0.2 Complaints-To: groups-abuse@google.com Injection-Info: l41g2000cwc.googlegroups.com; posting-host=62.31.135.28; posting-account=bdzPag0AAAAQYVlXPmCioAsWsJeHUGJh Path: nightfall.franklin.ch!news1.ethz.ch!news-zh.switch.ch!switch.ch!news.imp.ch!news.imp.ch!zen.net.uk!dedekind.zen.co.uk!news.glorb.com!postnews.google.com!l41g2000cwc.googlegroups.com!not-for-mail Xref: nightfall.franklin.ch alt.healing.reiki:23090 Hello Peter Here is my opinion. Reiki is the energy of creation, yes? That energy which gives rise to yin and yang and then to the ten thousand things. We connect directly to the energy of creation through the initiation of Reiki, which fills us with Reiki and takes away the filters we have built up through life ... and while we follow the Reiki way ... we are giving that energy of to ourselves, our family, our community, without filter, without anything between Reiki and the world. However, when we filter this energy of creation through our own desires, our attachments, our wants ... then we are not following the Reiki way, we are doing something else ... the filter of desire or attachment comes between us and Reiki and then, we can do harm. But it is not Reiki, it is whatever filter we put between us and it. Is my opinion. Barefoot. ###### From: Stuart Vernon Newsgroups: alt.healing.reiki Subject: Re: Can Reiki Cause Harm? Date: Sun, 06 Mar 2005 20:10:09 +0000 Lines: 12 Message-ID: <3916d2F5o1d38U1@individual.net> References: <42291176.1396106@news.east.earthlink.net> <422a7a94.1041678@news.east.earthlink.net> <38vrg0F5r8v62U1@uni-berlin.de> <422b046f.1324007@news.east.earthlink.net> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Trace: individual.net dayRusxKRXvsO7o8h6xufgJz85w1mDr5hHn/qwsV6zXSEFcSQ= User-Agent: Mozilla Thunderbird 0.9 (Windows/20041103) X-Accept-Language: en-us, en In-Reply-To: Path: nightfall.franklin.ch!news1.ethz.ch!news-zh.switch.ch!switch.ch!newscore.univie.ac.at!fu-berlin.de!uni-berlin.de!individual.net!not-for-mail Xref: nightfall.franklin.ch alt.healing.reiki:23092 ShadowWolf wrote: > But no matter who is correct or who has produced actual articles > there remains the simple logic that whatever the Force or Power is > any name we care to apply to it is merely our means of > identification for it. We could call it Apple energy and it would be > the same. I could never get the hang of that ... inasmuch as we have the archetypal Adam and Eve duality but there's the snake and the old fella with the beard (Alex?) in the background .. Stuart ###### From: Theo Newsgroups: alt.healing.reiki Subject: Re: Can Reiki Cause Harm? Date: Sun, 06 Mar 2005 21:47:26 +0100 Lines: 25 Message-ID: <3918i9F1p51m3U1@uni-berlin.de> References: <42291176.1396106@news.east.earthlink.net> <71a9b2a820f898ff27336463f5c534a2@localhost.talkaboutrecovery.com> <38u7r7F5r4l5hU1@uni-berlin.de> <38ujk8F5p4hcoU1@uni-berlin.de> <2fbb8ec82e7a29443d482ae56a6b9697@localhost.talkaboutrecovery.com> <38vs99F5s2vo4U1@uni-berlin.de> Reply-To: byjoke@ch.inter.net Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Trace: news.uni-berlin.de f9vQyRqhbHva/MLw8Sl54wpJYcohOZPg/EK/5GiNg2WeLUR1rxlJFp User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows; U; Windows NT 5.1; en-US; rv:1.4) Gecko/20030624 Netscape/7.1 (ax) X-Accept-Language: en, fr, it In-Reply-To: Path: nightfall.franklin.ch!news1.ethz.ch!news-zh.switch.ch!switch.ch!solnet.ch!solnet.ch!fu-berlin.de!uni-berlin.de!not-for-mail Xref: nightfall.franklin.ch alt.healing.reiki:23093 Ok ! telulah wrote: > Theo, > Any time a person does not speak any language from childhood there > are > things that are never completely understood. By distress I mean > physical, emotional, or mental discomfort. It could be > expanded to include actual injury. > I don't think the Reiki energy by itself can cause any actual harm > but I > do feel that the practitioner can. Harm can be percieved in many > ways. Responsibility, accountability, and mindfullnes are very > important. > blessings > telulah > -- Theo778@hotmail.com MSN messanger / or ICQ 25 666 169 4 Private Mail : Theo@ch.inter.net Just for today... don't worry .....be happy ###### From: Alex Barna Organization: WorldWide_Spam_killers User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows; U; Windows NT 5.1; en-US; rv:1.7.5) Gecko/20041217 X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 Newsgroups: alt.healing.reiki Subject: Re: Can Reiki Cause Harm? References: <42291176.1396106@news.east.earthlink.net> <38voj8F5rmp9jU1@uni-berlin.de> <422b0711.1997390@news.east.earthlink.net> <390s4aF5rm076U1@uni-berlin.de> In-Reply-To: <390s4aF5rm076U1@uni-berlin.de> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Lines: 34 Message-ID: Date: Sun, 06 Mar 2005 20:50:59 GMT NNTP-Posting-Host: 70.92.138.227 X-Complaints-To: abuse@rr.com X-Trace: twister.rdc-kc.rr.com 1110142259 70.92.138.227 (Sun, 06 Mar 2005 14:50:59 CST) NNTP-Posting-Date: Sun, 06 Mar 2005 14:50:59 CST Path: nightfall.franklin.ch!news1.ethz.ch!news-zh.switch.ch!switch.ch!solnet.ch!solnet.ch!newsfeed.freenet.de!news.tu-darmstadt.de!tsicnews.teliasonera.com!newsfeed00.sul.t-online.de!t-online.de!border2.nntp.dca.giganews.com!nntp.giganews.com!wn13feed!worldnet.att.net!24.30.200.11!news-east.rr.com!news.rr.com!news-server.columbus.rr.com!cyclone2.kc.rr.com!news2.kc.rr.com!twister.rdc-kc.rr.com.POSTED!53ab2750!not-for-mail Xref: nightfall.franklin.ch alt.healing.reiki:23094 Theo wrote: > Alex Barna wrote: > >> Hi, Garry, how do you know Theo isn't just responding to my >> spiritual pressence in his local last night. ^_^ >> GramPaHugs, Alex, > Do not tell Garry all our secrets :-D > Theo778@hotmail.com MSN messanger / or ICQ 25 666 169 4 Private > Mail : Theo@ch.inter.net Just for > today... don't worry .....be happy Hi Theo, Here is a link to my favorite Swiss Miss, http://tlc.discovery.com/fansites/inafix/bio/bio_04.html GramPaHugs, Alex, -- Any information is included for informational or entertainment purposes only, is based on my personal experiences & is an expression of my opinion. **************************************************** * Love radiating from 45.10n x 93.30w M/SP Mn * AOL Click * AOL Click **************************************************** ###### From: Theo Newsgroups: alt.healing.reiki Subject: Re: Can Reiki Cause Harm? Date: Sun, 06 Mar 2005 22:04:37 +0100 Lines: 55 Message-ID: <3919igF5roe8kU1@uni-berlin.de> References: <42291176.1396106@news.east.earthlink.net> <38uvg7F5rhuo0U1@individual.net> <38voroF5tfunoU1@uni-berlin.de> Reply-To: byjoke@ch.inter.net Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Trace: news.uni-berlin.de fJDcua3se1kDOe8EoI20zQjiE8smUu3tRpp0M0Fux1KEBG3SRDND2/ User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows; U; Windows NT 5.1; en-US; rv:1.4) Gecko/20030624 Netscape/7.1 (ax) X-Accept-Language: en, fr, it In-Reply-To: Path: nightfall.franklin.ch!news1.ethz.ch!news-zh.switch.ch!irazu.switch.ch!switch.ch!news.belwue.de!fu-berlin.de!uni-berlin.de!not-for-mail Xref: nightfall.franklin.ch alt.healing.reiki:23098 Hi ShadowWolf ShadowWolf wrote: > That is interesting. I can only answer from my own experience and > that is you certainly do not transfer your sexual preferances in > either direction. > I know you were joking...right? :-D Of course I am jocking :-) > Establishing a channel which links the two is certainly a common > theory and it certainly can cause one to create situations which are > not healthy for either party. I agree .. like possible mutual attraction or tranfert of some griefs physical pains and so on > There are certain aspects of sharing the Life Force Energy in Reiki > which are "Theory" rather than establish fact and one is that the > energy must enter the practitioner through the crown chakra, move > into the heart and than through the arms into the recipient. this is what we learn > Now although it is easy to see why such a description would appear > to be logical and that it would create a linking of the two > participants it doesn't at any point explain why the Energy needs to > transfer through rather than just go direct into the > receiver. (which is much easier for me to digest) well I guess that in text ( probably Rand ) and others I bought few years ago abot psychic energy the link is often shown as a blob that starts from one person and connect to the other or a connecting funnel .. but it is an imagery just to explain .. if I think to send you Reiki I do not even know where you are and which are your features .. I just think to ShadowWolf as a representative of a cluster of energy a soul a personality and I think that the energy sent invests you , or I can imagine you in between my palms inside a bubble of energy but i guess the effect is instantaneous > Both can receive at the same time in either situation but in the > second they each receive direct energy and energy that is not > tainted by any possible intentions of the practitioner. whyt do you mean by intention .. If I send you energy I have the intention to send it to you as requested or as I think you need.. let'ts say for your good; but if I send energy with the intention to orient you in some manner that might suit my private interests I guess it cannot be tainted Love and light Theo778@hotmail.com MSN messanger / or ICQ 25 666 169 4 Private Mail : Theo@ch.inter.net Just for today... don't worry .....be happy ###### From: Theo Newsgroups: alt.healing.reiki Subject: Re: Can Reiki Cause Harm? Date: Sun, 06 Mar 2005 22:15:56 +0100 Lines: 14 Message-ID: <391a7oF5quj67U1@uni-berlin.de> References: <42291176.1396106@news.east.earthlink.net> <422a7a94.1041678@news.east.earthlink.net> <38vrg0F5r8v62U1@uni-berlin.de> <422b046f.1324007@news.east.earthlink.net> Reply-To: byjoke@ch.inter.net Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Trace: news.uni-berlin.de b9HMq484K9FXU8CWsyLZXgXoT0OrPKLQy+0NWSjE6/lhBfAJpFMxte User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows; U; Windows NT 5.1; en-US; rv:1.4) Gecko/20030624 Netscape/7.1 (ax) X-Accept-Language: en, fr, it In-Reply-To: Path: nightfall.franklin.ch!news1.ethz.ch!news-zh.switch.ch!switch.ch!solnet.ch!solnet.ch!fu-berlin.de!uni-berlin.de!not-for-mail Xref: nightfall.franklin.ch alt.healing.reiki:23101 ShadowWolf wrote: > call it Apple energy and it would be the same. > Peace > Wolf :-D I agree Theo778@hotmail.com MSN messanger / or ICQ 25 666 169 4 Private Mail : Theo@ch.inter.net Just for today... don't worry .....be happy ###### From: Theo Newsgroups: alt.healing.reiki Subject: Re: Can Reiki Cause Harm? Date: Sun, 06 Mar 2005 22:27:07 +0100 Lines: 47 Message-ID: <391asnF5t2nsbU1@uni-berlin.de> References: <42291176.1396106@news.east.earthlink.net> <1110058308.895917.50370@g14g2000cwa.googlegroups.com> <1110138612.831090.91470@l41g2000cwc.googlegroups.com> Reply-To: byjoke@ch.inter.net Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Trace: news.uni-berlin.de OidKfRUmq6JrT1W5EdDNBwp6uRd/DGVShVcAr0zwEVXUNgicqkQ2qr User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows; U; Windows NT 5.1; en-US; rv:1.4) Gecko/20030624 Netscape/7.1 (ax) X-Accept-Language: en, fr, it In-Reply-To: <1110138612.831090.91470@l41g2000cwc.googlegroups.com> Path: nightfall.franklin.ch!news1.ethz.ch!news-zh.switch.ch!switch.ch!newscore.univie.ac.at!fu-berlin.de!uni-berlin.de!not-for-mail Xref: nightfall.franklin.ch alt.healing.reiki:23103 barefoot_doctor wrote: > Hello Peter > Here is my opinion. > Reiki is the energy of creation, yes? That energy which gives rise > to > yin and yang and then to the ten thousand things. > We connect directly to the energy of creation through the initiation > of > Reiki, which fills us with Reiki and takes away the filters we have > built up through life ... and while we follow the Reiki way ... we are > giving that energy of to ourselves, our family, our community, without > filter, without anything between Reiki and the world. > However, when we filter this energy of creation through our own > desires, our attachments, our wants ... then we are not following the > Reiki way, we are doing something else ... the filter of desire or > attachment comes between us and Reiki and then, we can do harm. But it > is not Reiki, it is whatever filter we put between us and it. > Is my opinion. > Barefoot. the logic stands .. you are intriguing me ... of course I know how you reacted when we asked where you were from .. but where are your from ?teh question rises to my lips.. do not start again with the racist theory here does not exist we are ladies and gentlemens each of us has a country of origine and sometimes we ask as we are humans and curious .. beside that nobody ever asked about their race , religious creed nor about their sexual preferences .. some has been quite explicite about the latter , and we all appreciate the persons like any others .. if you ill follow the NG for a while you will realize it yourself namaste Theo778@hotmail.com MSN messanger / or ICQ 25 666 169 4 Private Mail : Theo@ch.inter.net Just for today... don't worry .....be happy ###### From: Theo Newsgroups: alt.healing.reiki Subject: Re: Can Reiki Cause Harm? Date: Sun, 06 Mar 2005 22:30:02 +0100 Lines: 24 Message-ID: <391b25F5t2nsbU3@uni-berlin.de> References: <42291176.1396106@news.east.earthlink.net> <422a7a94.1041678@news.east.earthlink.net> <38vrg0F5r8v62U1@uni-berlin.de> <422b046f.1324007@news.east.earthlink.net> <3916d2F5o1d38U1@individual.net> Reply-To: byjoke@ch.inter.net Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Trace: news.uni-berlin.de fw50ryAJK2AVQ9n07U/AKgbuUoYMUaapKp2jDWkaTs+RNiTk3LbZ8Z User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows; U; Windows NT 5.1; en-US; rv:1.4) Gecko/20030624 Netscape/7.1 (ax) X-Accept-Language: en, fr, it In-Reply-To: <3916d2F5o1d38U1@individual.net> Path: nightfall.franklin.ch!news1.ethz.ch!news-zh.switch.ch!switch.ch!solnet.ch!solnet.ch!fu-berlin.de!uni-berlin.de!not-for-mail Xref: nightfall.franklin.ch alt.healing.reiki:23105 Stuart Vernon wrote: > ShadowWolf wrote: > >> But no matter who is correct or who has produced actual articles >> there remains the simple logic that whatever the Force or Power is >> any name we care to apply to it is merely our means of >> identification for it. We could call it Apple energy and it would >> be the same. > I could never get the hang of that ... inasmuch as we have the > archetypal Adam and Eve duality but there's the snake and the > old fella with the beard (Alex?) in the background .. > Stuart I guess the Ikonoclast it is more you than i Theo778@hotmail.com MSN messanger / or ICQ 25 666 169 4 Private Mail : Theo@ch.inter.net Just for today... don't worry .....be happy ###### From: Theo Newsgroups: alt.healing.reiki Subject: Re: Can Reiki Cause Harm? Date: Sun, 06 Mar 2005 22:36:13 +0100 Lines: 24 Message-ID: <391bdoF5qlpk4U1@uni-berlin.de> References: <42291176.1396106@news.east.earthlink.net> <38voj8F5rmp9jU1@uni-berlin.de> <422b0711.1997390@news.east.earthlink.net> <390s4aF5rm076U1@uni-berlin.de> Reply-To: byjoke@ch.inter.net Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Trace: news.uni-berlin.de eBapPR/O3GX5SbYKFqTrRAMGOZ2GRGd0RhcuZa87ZJ8s9I7fAMqS6V User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows; U; Windows NT 5.1; en-US; rv:1.4) Gecko/20030624 Netscape/7.1 (ax) X-Accept-Language: en, fr, it In-Reply-To: Path: nightfall.franklin.ch!news1.ethz.ch!news-zh.switch.ch!switch.ch!news.imp.ch!news.imp.ch!fu-berlin.de!uni-berlin.de!not-for-mail Xref: nightfall.franklin.ch alt.healing.reiki:23107 Hi Alex Alex Barna wrote: >> Do not tell Garry all our secrets :-D > Hi Theo, > Here is a link to my favorite Swiss Miss, > http://tlc.discovery.com/fansites/inafix/bio/bio_04.html > GramPaHugs, > Alex, She's German born .. quite pretty :-D.. what a career ! wow ! -- Theo778@hotmail.com MSN messanger / or ICQ 25 666 169 4 Private Mail : Theo@ch.inter.net Just for today... don't worry .....be happy ###### From: "telulah" Newsgroups: alt.healing.reiki Subject: Re: Can Reiki Cause Harm? Date: Sun, 06 Mar 2005 16:44:51 -0500 Organization: www.talkaboutrecovery.com Message-ID: <637b85957550b0dee390be0d50a7e33c@localhost.talkaboutrecovery.com> X-Newsreader: www.talkaboutrecovery.com Content-Type: text/plain; References: <42291176.1396106@news.east.earthlink.net> <71a9b2a820f898ff27336463f5c534a2@localhost.talkaboutrecovery.com> <38u7r7F5r4l5hU1@uni-berlin.de> <38ujk8F5p4hcoU1@uni-berlin.de> <2fbb8ec82e7a29443d482ae56a6b9697@localhost.talkaboutrecovery.com> <38vs99F5s2vo4U1@uni-berlin.de> <3912abF5u4kvjU1@individual.net> X-Complaints-To: abuse@supernews.com Lines: 9 Path: nightfall.franklin.ch!news1.ethz.ch!news-zh.switch.ch!irazu.switch.ch!switch.ch!newsfeed00.sul.t-online.de!t-online.de!newshub.sdsu.edu!tethys.csu.net!nntp.csufresno.edu!sn-xit-03!sn-xit-08!sn-post-01!supernews.com!corp.supernews.com!not-for-mail Xref: nightfall.franklin.ch alt.healing.reiki:23110 Stuart, Or when they feel they know what is 'best' or 'needed' and act on their own perceptions of someone else's situation, especially without permission. blessings telulah ###### From: Theo Newsgroups: alt.healing.reiki Subject: Re: Can Reiki Cause Harm? Date: Sun, 06 Mar 2005 22:50:20 +0100 Lines: 21 Message-ID: <391c88F5hjq30U4@uni-berlin.de> References: <42291176.1396106@news.east.earthlink.net> <71a9b2a820f898ff27336463f5c534a2@localhost.talkaboutrecovery.com> <38u7r7F5r4l5hU1@uni-berlin.de> <38ujk8F5p4hcoU1@uni-berlin.de> <2fbb8ec82e7a29443d482ae56a6b9697@localhost.talkaboutrecovery.com> <38vs99F5s2vo4U1@uni-berlin.de> <3912abF5u4kvjU1@individual.net> Reply-To: byjoke@ch.inter.net Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Trace: news.uni-berlin.de CMvD2iGMH1FTFtfECeNwugjZUUIvMEmMN1Of9TQCv8KLD+RAz6waNy User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows; U; Windows NT 5.1; en-US; rv:1.4) Gecko/20030624 Netscape/7.1 (ax) X-Accept-Language: en, fr, it In-Reply-To: <3912abF5u4kvjU1@individual.net> Path: nightfall.franklin.ch!news1.ethz.ch!news-zh.switch.ch!switch.ch!newscore.univie.ac.at!fu-berlin.de!uni-berlin.de!not-for-mail Xref: nightfall.franklin.ch alt.healing.reiki:23113 Hi Stuart Stuart Vernon wrote: > telulah wrote: > >> I don't think the Reiki energy by itself can cause any actual harm but I >> do feel that the practitioner can. Harm can be percieved in many >> ways. > When the practitioner gets personally (I don't mean intimately) > involved > perhaps from a place of misguided altruism .. define :Misguided altruism -- Theo778@hotmail.com MSN messanger / or ICQ 25 666 169 4 Private Mail : Theo@ch.inter.net Just for today... don't worry .....be happy ###### From: Stuart Vernon Newsgroups: alt.healing.reiki Subject: Re: Can Reiki Cause Harm? Date: Sun, 06 Mar 2005 21:57:46 +0000 Lines: 7 Message-ID: <391cmqF5rhjarU1@individual.net> References: <42291176.1396106@news.east.earthlink.net> <422a7a94.1041678@news.east.earthlink.net> <38vrg0F5r8v62U1@uni-berlin.de> <422b046f.1324007@news.east.earthlink.net> <3916d2F5o1d38U1@individual.net> <391b25F5t2nsbU3@uni-berlin.de> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Trace: individual.net MJxw9L8DDV+SbxO+FyPi6g4dFCQGs3zYUHRvdOvqeekCHUf4w= User-Agent: Mozilla Thunderbird 0.9 (Windows/20041103) X-Accept-Language: en-us, en In-Reply-To: <391b25F5t2nsbU3@uni-berlin.de> Path: nightfall.franklin.ch!news1.ethz.ch!news-zh.switch.ch!switch.ch!news.imp.ch!news.imp.ch!fu-berlin.de!uni-berlin.de!individual.net!not-for-mail Xref: nightfall.franklin.ch alt.healing.reiki:23114 Theo wrote: > I guess the Ikonoclast it is more you than i DeKonstructuralist ... ;) Stuart ###### From: Stuart Vernon Newsgroups: alt.healing.reiki Subject: Re: Can Reiki Cause Harm? Date: Sun, 06 Mar 2005 22:06:12 +0000 Lines: 7 Message-ID: <391d6kF5rhjarU4@individual.net> References: <42291176.1396106@news.east.earthlink.net> <71a9b2a820f898ff27336463f5c534a2@localhost.talkaboutrecovery.com> <38u7r7F5r4l5hU1@uni-berlin.de> <38ujk8F5p4hcoU1@uni-berlin.de> <2fbb8ec82e7a29443d482ae56a6b9697@localhost.talkaboutrecovery.com> <38vs99F5s2vo4U1@uni-berlin.de> <3912abF5u4kvjU1@individual.net> <391c88F5hjq30U4@uni-berlin.de> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Trace: individual.net uHpTJkrXLNc/APxOTsYhewj1qpb02XOFW7bWuShcrvkSKTvYY= User-Agent: Mozilla Thunderbird 0.9 (Windows/20041103) X-Accept-Language: en-us, en In-Reply-To: <391c88F5hjq30U4@uni-berlin.de> Path: nightfall.franklin.ch!news1.ethz.ch!news-zh.switch.ch!switch.ch!solnet.ch!solnet.ch!fu-berlin.de!uni-berlin.de!individual.net!not-for-mail Xref: nightfall.franklin.ch alt.healing.reiki:23117 Theo wrote: > define :Misguided altruism As telulah said above .. "knows what's best" .. Stuart ###### From: "barefoot_doctor" Newsgroups: alt.healing.reiki Subject: Re: Can Reiki Cause Harm? Date: 6 Mar 2005 15:14:21 -0800 Organization: http://groups.google.com Lines: 16 Message-ID: <1110150861.886739.237010@z14g2000cwz.googlegroups.com> References: <42291176.1396106@news.east.earthlink.net> <1110058308.895917.50370@g14g2000cwa.googlegroups.com> <1110138612.831090.91470@l41g2000cwc.googlegroups.com> <391asnF5t2nsbU1@uni-berlin.de> NNTP-Posting-Host: 62.31.135.36 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" X-Trace: posting.google.com 1110150865 26872 127.0.0.1 (6 Mar 2005 23:14:25 GMT) X-Complaints-To: groups-abuse@google.com NNTP-Posting-Date: Sun, 6 Mar 2005 23:14:25 +0000 (UTC) In-Reply-To: <391asnF5t2nsbU1@uni-berlin.de> User-Agent: G2/0.2 Complaints-To: groups-abuse@google.com Injection-Info: z14g2000cwz.googlegroups.com; posting-host=62.31.135.36; posting-account=bdzPag0AAAAQYVlXPmCioAsWsJeHUGJh Path: nightfall.franklin.ch!news1.ethz.ch!news-zh.switch.ch!switch.ch!newscore.univie.ac.at!newsfeed01.sul.t-online.de!newsfeed00.sul.t-online.de!t-online.de!news.glorb.com!postnews.google.com!z14g2000cwz.googlegroups.com!not-for-mail Xref: nightfall.franklin.ch alt.healing.reiki:23120 Theo has written: .. but where are your from ?teh question rises to my lips.. do not start again with the racist theory === OK, I do not start with the racist theory. In the old days in traditional stories, the barefoot doctor comes from many places. Always in the old stories he - in old stories it is always a man - wanders from place to place, staying a while and then moving on, attached to no one place but at home wherever he is. I am at home here. Barefoot. ###### NNTP-Posting-Date: Sun, 06 Mar 2005 22:31:25 -0600 X-Trace-PostClient-IP: 196.23.218.80 From: "pr" Newsgroups: alt.healing.reiki References: <42291176.1396106@news.east.earthlink.net> <71a9b2a820f898ff27336463f5c534a2@localhost.talkaboutrecovery.com> <38u7r7F5r4l5hU1@uni-berlin.de> <38ujk8F5p4hcoU1@uni-berlin.de> <2fbb8ec82e7a29443d482ae56a6b9697@localhost.talkaboutrecovery.com> <38vs99F5s2vo4U1@uni-berlin.de> <3912abF5u4kvjU1@individual.net> <637b85957550b0dee390be0d50a7e33c@localhost.talkaboutrecovery.com> Subject: Re: Can Reiki Cause Harm? Date: Mon, 7 Mar 2005 04:58:05 +0200 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.2180 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2180 Message-ID: Lines: 18 X-Trace: sv3-dU2kckaGTxJVTDeALjgy4x8+RDCm24tPsZxupGH6q86WeAq9ZCZVIVTs9cZ8ISBplw4yX0IpDheLLbq!2etQvl1MNVi0qHCCtTxBl7MKRqsCiOuMfsVXgqnxUr316sKgOlbJM8r2S1zW6rZjejA= X-Complaints-To: abuse@is.co.za X-DMCA-Complaints-To: abuse@is.co.za X-Abuse-and-DMCA-Info: Please be sure to forward a copy of ALL headers X-Abuse-and-DMCA-Info: Otherwise we will be unable to process your complaint properly X-Postfilter: 1.3.31 Path: nightfall.franklin.ch!news1.ethz.ch!news-zh.switch.ch!switch.ch!newscore.univie.ac.at!newsfeed01.sul.t-online.de!newsfeed00.sul.t-online.de!t-online.de!border2.nntp.dca.giganews.com!border1.nntp.dca.giganews.com!nntp.giganews.com!local01.nntp.dca.giganews.com!nntp.is.co.za!news.is.co.za.POSTED!not-for-mail Xref: nightfall.franklin.ch alt.healing.reiki:23139 "telulah" wrote in message news:637b85957550b0dee390be0d50a7e33c@localhost.talkaboutrecovery.com... | | Or when they feel they know what is 'best' or 'needed' and act on their | own perceptions of someone else's situation, especially without | permission. Do you mean like sending distant healing to people who did not ask for it? -- Namu Amida Butsu Peter Reber "Life knows its needs" ###### NNTP-Posting-Date: Sun, 06 Mar 2005 22:31:27 -0600 X-Trace-PostClient-IP: 196.23.218.80 From: "pr" Newsgroups: alt.healing.reiki References: <42291176.1396106@news.east.earthlink.net> <1110058308.895917.50370@g14g2000cwa.googlegroups.com> <1110138612.831090.91470@l41g2000cwc.googlegroups.com> Subject: Re: Can Reiki Cause Harm? Date: Mon, 7 Mar 2005 05:23:03 +0200 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.2180 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2180 Message-ID: Lines: 24 X-Trace: sv3-byHZ7YXjoTixyEZaG1+6wNSjKmIezS9lmc/Nk54nqqWdQMWSJxO7qsoZewJidOkQ+xh5CQzrkqDp5/X!aQZQj4TsAbXqnmcQo4c60axmuPd0xjrhMc6vB812P2VL68GxoFTYVPyoND2B3jEvcbI= X-Complaints-To: abuse@is.co.za X-DMCA-Complaints-To: abuse@is.co.za X-Abuse-and-DMCA-Info: Please be sure to forward a copy of ALL headers X-Abuse-and-DMCA-Info: Otherwise we will be unable to process your complaint properly X-Postfilter: 1.3.32 Path: nightfall.franklin.ch!news1.ethz.ch!news-zh.switch.ch!switch.ch!news.imp.ch!news.imp.ch!snoopy.risq.qc.ca!nf3.bellglobal.com!border2.nntp.dca.giganews.com!border1.nntp.dca.giganews.com!nntp.giganews.com!local01.nntp.dca.giganews.com!nntp.is.co.za!news.is.co.za.POSTED!not-for-mail Xref: nightfall.franklin.ch alt.healing.reiki:23140 "barefoot_doctor" wrote in message news:1110138612.831090.91470@l41g2000cwc.googlegroups.com... ~barefoot | Reiki is the energy of creation, yes? That energy which gives rise to | yin and yang and then to the ten thousand things. Good, that is what I meant by the "principle that organises". I think it is then misleading to talk about energ and a better term might be "field, field of creation". Now we are talking about working on an altogether different level of healing when compared to other modalities (I think). It is something that exists before creation, before the universe existed, even before God existed if one beliefs in God. -- Namu Amida Butsu Peter Reber "Life knows its needs" ###### From: Theo Newsgroups: alt.healing.reiki Subject: Re: Can Reiki Cause Harm? Date: Mon, 07 Mar 2005 07:12:50 +0100 Lines: 19 Message-ID: <3929mbF5qn4g5U1@uni-berlin.de> References: <42291176.1396106@news.east.earthlink.net> <422a7a94.1041678@news.east.earthlink.net> <38vrg0F5r8v62U1@uni-berlin.de> <422b046f.1324007@news.east.earthlink.net> <3916d2F5o1d38U1@individual.net> <391b25F5t2nsbU3@uni-berlin.de> <391cmqF5rhjarU1@individual.net> Reply-To: byjoke@ch.inter.net Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Trace: news.uni-berlin.de V6ANe/9XUzSuvXcjLpvIqwCKbKiP4yI+3cWyLvTJ9/gpfXm1dqNCS/ User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows; U; Windows NT 5.1; en-US; rv:1.4) Gecko/20030624 Netscape/7.1 (ax) X-Accept-Language: en, fr, it In-Reply-To: <391cmqF5rhjarU1@individual.net> Path: nightfall.franklin.ch!news1.ethz.ch!news-zh.switch.ch!switch.ch!solnet.ch!solnet.ch!fu-berlin.de!uni-berlin.de!not-for-mail Xref: nightfall.franklin.ch alt.healing.reiki:23142 Stuart Vernon wrote: > Theo wrote: > >> I guess the Ikonoclast it is more you than i > DeKonstructuralist ... ;) > Stuart always the last good word :-) Theo778@hotmail.com MSN messanger / or ICQ 25 666 169 4 Private Mail : Theo@ch.inter.net Just for today... don't worry .....be happy ###### From: Theo Newsgroups: alt.healing.reiki Subject: Re: Can Reiki Cause Harm? Date: Mon, 07 Mar 2005 07:19:15 +0100 Lines: 20 Message-ID: <392a2cF5qn4g5U4@uni-berlin.de> References: <42291176.1396106@news.east.earthlink.net> <71a9b2a820f898ff27336463f5c534a2@localhost.talkaboutrecovery.com> <38u7r7F5r4l5hU1@uni-berlin.de> <38ujk8F5p4hcoU1@uni-berlin.de> <2fbb8ec82e7a29443d482ae56a6b9697@localhost.talkaboutrecovery.com> <38vs99F5s2vo4U1@uni-berlin.de> <3912abF5u4kvjU1@individual.net> <391c88F5hjq30U4@uni-berlin.de> <391d6kF5rhjarU4@individual.net> Reply-To: byjoke@ch.inter.net Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Trace: news.uni-berlin.de G4Nh61edOMV4hEtklYW0nwy0TJ8VFYVmNYGTdq+8QvKM3PsEHgTOMW User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows; U; Windows NT 5.1; en-US; rv:1.4) Gecko/20030624 Netscape/7.1 (ax) X-Accept-Language: en, fr, it In-Reply-To: <391d6kF5rhjarU4@individual.net> Path: nightfall.franklin.ch!news1.ethz.ch!news-zh.switch.ch!switch.ch!solnet.ch!solnet.ch!fu-berlin.de!uni-berlin.de!not-for-mail Xref: nightfall.franklin.ch alt.healing.reiki:23145 Stuart Vernon wrote: > Theo wrote: > >> define :Misguided altruism > As telulah said above .. "knows what's best" .. > Stuart wo when I was in Vatican and wanted to Reiki the Pope was pure altruim as I thougt to know whyt was the best for him without his consent ?? Theo778@hotmail.com MSN messanger / or ICQ 25 666 169 4 Private Mail : Theo@ch.inter.net Just for today... don't worry .....be happy ###### From: Theo Newsgroups: alt.healing.reiki Subject: Re: Can Reiki Cause Harm? Date: Mon, 07 Mar 2005 07:26:18 +0100 Lines: 32 Message-ID: <392afjF5re2vuU1@uni-berlin.de> References: <42291176.1396106@news.east.earthlink.net> <1110058308.895917.50370@g14g2000cwa.googlegroups.com> <1110138612.831090.91470@l41g2000cwc.googlegroups.com> <391asnF5t2nsbU1@uni-berlin.de> <1110150861.886739.237010@z14g2000cwz.googlegroups.com> Reply-To: byjoke@ch.inter.net Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Trace: news.uni-berlin.de jA1qKPEcK8qfmrkxeOlX+QAy+wpl/700O+XLcQkOwI1P7QGVma/U1M User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows; U; Windows NT 5.1; en-US; rv:1.4) Gecko/20030624 Netscape/7.1 (ax) X-Accept-Language: en, fr, it In-Reply-To: <1110150861.886739.237010@z14g2000cwz.googlegroups.com> Path: nightfall.franklin.ch!news1.ethz.ch!news-zh.switch.ch!switch.ch!news.imp.ch!news.imp.ch!fu-berlin.de!uni-berlin.de!not-for-mail Xref: nightfall.franklin.ch alt.healing.reiki:23147 barefoot_doctor wrote: > Theo has written: > .. but where are your from ?teh question rises to my lips.. > do not start again with the racist theory > === > OK, I do not start with the racist theory. > In the old days in traditional stories, the barefoot doctor comes > from > many places. Always in the old stories he - in old stories it is > always a man - wanders from place to place, staying a while and then > moving on, attached to no one place but at home wherever he is. > I am at home here. > Barefoot. acording the V show the Shaman were travelling by horseback trought siberian steppas and also in Gobi region theh etnic group were mostly oriental Kazhaki Kirghisi and so on living in Yaorte house and nomads in places with -40 at night celsious temp in winther so you feel at home , hence u are rooting here ... Theo778@hotmail.com MSN messanger / or ICQ 25 666 169 4 Private Mail : Theo@ch.inter.net Just for today... don't worry .....be happy ###### From: "telulah" Newsgroups: alt.healing.reiki Subject: Re: Can Reiki Cause Harm? Date: Mon, 07 Mar 2005 13:41:21 -0500 Organization: www.talkaboutrecovery.com Message-ID: <284876129faeb7f00a51fa1871da53ee@localhost.talkaboutrecovery.com> X-Newsreader: www.talkaboutrecovery.com Content-Type: text/plain; References: <42291176.1396106@news.east.earthlink.net> <71a9b2a820f898ff27336463f5c534a2@localhost.talkaboutrecovery.com> <38u7r7F5r4l5hU1@uni-berlin.de> <38ujk8F5p4hcoU1@uni-berlin.de> <2fbb8ec82e7a29443d482ae56a6b9697@localhost.talkaboutrecovery.com> <38vs99F5s2vo4U1@uni-berlin.de> <3912abF5u4kvjU1@individual.net> <637b85957550b0dee390be0d50a7e33c@localhost.talkaboutrecovery.com> X-Complaints-To: abuse@supernews.com Lines: 8 Path: nightfall.franklin.ch!news1.ethz.ch!news-zh.switch.ch!switch.ch!solnet.ch!solnet.ch!news.glorb.com!news-hog.berkeley.edu!newsfeed.berkeley.edu!ucberkeley!sn-xit-02!sn-xit-01!sn-post-01!supernews.com!corp.supernews.com!not-for-mail Xref: nightfall.franklin.ch alt.healing.reiki:23170 Peter, Now I have opened a can of worms I'm sure, but I have to answer yes to that. blessings telulah ###### From: Alex Barna Organization: WorldWide_Spam_killers User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows; U; Windows NT 5.1; en-US; rv:1.7.5) Gecko/20041217 X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 Newsgroups: alt.healing.reiki Subject: Re: Can Reiki Cause Harm? References: <42291176.1396106@news.east.earthlink.net> <71a9b2a820f898ff27336463f5c534a2@localhost.talkaboutrecovery.com> <38u7r7F5r4l5hU1@uni-berlin.de> <38ujk8F5p4hcoU1@uni-berlin.de> <2fbb8ec82e7a29443d482ae56a6b9697@localhost.talkaboutrecovery.com> <38vs99F5s2vo4U1@uni-berlin.de> <3912abF5u4kvjU1@individual.net> <637b85957550b0dee390be0d50a7e33c@localhost.talkaboutrecovery.com> In-Reply-To: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Lines: 35 Message-ID: Date: Mon, 07 Mar 2005 13:05:03 -0600 NNTP-Posting-Host: 70.92.138.227 X-Complaints-To: abuse@rr.com X-Trace: twister.rdc-kc.rr.com 1110222156 70.92.138.227 (Mon, 07 Mar 2005 13:02:36 CST) NNTP-Posting-Date: Mon, 07 Mar 2005 13:02:36 CST Path: nightfall.franklin.ch!news1.ethz.ch!news-zh.switch.ch!switch.ch!news.imp.ch!news.imp.ch!209.11.36.156.MISMATCH!nntp-server.pubsub.com!news.glorb.com!newshub.sdsu.edu!elnk-nf2-pas!elnk-pas-nf1!newsfeed.earthlink.net!cyclone.socal.rr.com!cyclone2.kc.rr.com!news2.kc.rr.com!twister.rdc-kc.rr.com.POSTED!53ab2750!not-for-mail Xref: nightfall.franklin.ch alt.healing.reiki:23172 pr wrote: > "telulah" wrote in message > news:637b85957550b0dee390be0d50a7e33c@localhost.talkaboutrecovery.com... > | > | Or when they feel they know what is 'best' or 'needed' and act on their > | own perceptions of someone else's situation, especially without > | permission. > Do you mean like sending distant healing to people who did > not ask for it? If that is wrong you better inform the leaders of all the major religions because they tell their followers to pray for the sick & poor all the time. Praying can activate UE the same as the practice of Reiki. Since 'sending Reiki' doesn't actually do anything to the recipient how can sending it with out permission be wrong? GramPaHugs, Alex, -- Any information is included for informational or entertainment purposes only, is based on my personal experiences & is an expression of my opinion. **************************************************** * Love radiating from 45.10n x 93.30w M/SP Mn * AOL Click * AOL Click **************************************************** ###### Message-ID: From: Judy Newsgroups: alt.healing.reiki Subject: Re: Can Reiki Cause Harm? References: <42291176.1396106@news.east.earthlink.net> <71a9b2a820f898ff27336463f5c534a2@localhost.talkaboutrecovery.com> <38u7r7F5r4l5hU1@uni-berlin.de> <38ujk8F5p4hcoU1@uni-berlin.de> <2fbb8ec82e7a29443d482ae56a6b9697@localhost.talkaboutrecovery.com> <38vs99F5s2vo4U1@uni-berlin.de> <3912abF5u4kvjU1@individual.net> <637b85957550b0dee390be0d50a7e33c@localhost.talkaboutrecovery.com> Lines: 11 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain;charset=us-ascii;format=flowed User-Agent: Turnpike/6.02-U () Date: Mon, 07 Mar 2005 19:29:41 GMT NNTP-Posting-Host: 82.35.153.131 X-Trace: fe1.news.blueyonder.co.uk 1110223781 82.35.153.131 (Mon, 07 Mar 2005 19:29:41 GMT) NNTP-Posting-Date: Mon, 07 Mar 2005 19:29:41 GMT Path: nightfall.franklin.ch!news1.ethz.ch!news-zh.switch.ch!irazu.switch.ch!switch.ch!newsfeed00.sul.t-online.de!t-online.de!fr.ip.ndsoftware.net!proxad.net!proxad.net!194.117.148.138.MISMATCH!pe2.news.blueyonder.co.uk!blueyonder!pe1.news.blueyonder.co.uk!blueyonder!fe1.news.blueyonder.co.uk.POSTED!53ab2750!not-for-mail Xref: nightfall.franklin.ch alt.healing.reiki:23174 In message , Alex Barna writes > > Since 'sending Reiki' doesn't actually do anything to the recipient > how can sending it with out permission be wrong? Are you saying that "sending" distant Reiki does not affect the recipient in any way ? -- Judy ###### From: "telulah" Newsgroups: alt.healing.reiki Subject: Re: Can Reiki Cause Harm? Date: Mon, 07 Mar 2005 15:33:36 -0500 Organization: www.talkaboutrecovery.com Message-ID: <014ac0e911dac2c57c4f218dc5ccdfbb@localhost.talkaboutrecovery.com> X-Newsreader: www.talkaboutrecovery.com Content-Type: text/plain; References: <42291176.1396106@news.east.earthlink.net> <71a9b2a820f898ff27336463f5c534a2@localhost.talkaboutrecovery.com> <38u7r7F5r4l5hU1@uni-berlin.de> <38ujk8F5p4hcoU1@uni-berlin.de> <2fbb8ec82e7a29443d482ae56a6b9697@localhost.talkaboutrecovery.com> <38vs99F5s2vo4U1@uni-berlin.de> <3912abF5u4kvjU1@individual.net> <637b85957550b0dee390be0d50a7e33c@localhost.talkaboutrecovery.com> X-Complaints-To: abuse@supernews.com Lines: 129 Path: nightfall.franklin.ch!news1.ethz.ch!news-zh.switch.ch!switch.ch!solnet.ch!solnet.ch!newsfeed.freenet.de!feed.news.tiscali.de!newsfeed.icl.net!newsfeed.fjserv.net!news.tele.dk!news.tele.dk!small.news.tele.dk!newsfeed.berkeley.edu!ucberkeley!sn-xit-02!sn-xit-12!sn-xit-01!sn-post-01!supernews.com!corp.supernews.com!not-for-mail Xref: nightfall.franklin.ch alt.healing.reiki:23177 Alex, Prayer isn't Reiki. Usui called Reiki a system of personal mastery and there was significant time spent at level I working with the energy as well as in the meditations and practices before (if ever) moving to level II. For these reasons and the fact that the system comes out of the Japanese culture, permission was likely a non-issue and so was not addressed. We are in a time and culture quite different from Usuis. Things are faster, there is less time spent growing into the system and its practices. I think that some of the understandings that come with patience and practice may be lagging behind as a result of this need to rush. If we are to truly attempt to live the principles I believe that we need to closely examine the motives that drive our practices. It is my feeling that permission is essential to the practice of Reiki. When we practice we need to honor boundaries and abandon our concepts of what someone else may need. My RM is a masseuse and 'lays hands' on people daily for a living. She informs new clients that she is also a Reiki practitioner and obtains permission before working on them. If they decline or do not give permission she does not use Reiki. For me this whole subject is a matter of respect and humility. Do I respect the rights, privacy, and wishes of another concerning themselves, or do I assert my idea of what they need or what I think may be necessary to alleviate my perception of their suffering. No is no, it doesn't matter if it is said softly or with a shout. My mother always said 'put yourself in their position and tell me how you would feel'. When I do that I understand that I would feel disrespected, violated, that being the case I have no option but to respect their wishes. Respect and humility help us honor boundaries and directly support a recipient in developing trust and feeling empowered to direct their own experiences within an integrated complementary and mainstream care plan for wellbeing, which hopefully includes Reiki When someone says they don't want us to send or they refuse hands on work then we need to respect their decision. We also need to give them the opportunity to consciously make that decision for themselves. We have to learn to respect other peoples boundaries and have healthy ones ourselves. We can't say 'well, they said no but I can see in their eyes that they are in pain and they want this' or 'I will ask their higher self'. For me, asking the 'higher self' is imposing my will on another without accepting any responsibility for my actions. Are we multiple personalities? Are any of us so adept that we can say with absolute certainty that the answer we receive comes not from our own wishes but from anothers higher self? (I wonder, does anyone ever get told 'No' by anothers higher self.) Is one part of us so much better than the other that it can over ride a conscious decision or make a decision for us as if we were a small child at it our parent? And If indeed we do have all these different 'selves' isn't one of the goals of Reiki to become an integrated, whole entity? Why, if we are working to take back our power through healing ourselves, would we want to give that away to anything? Others feel that they are merely a vehicle by which others access the energy. Again there is no responsibility here. These are excuses for imposing our needs and will on others. I come back again to the thought that it is shifting responsibility from ourselves to some other thing/one and if we are ever to heal we need to accept responsibility for ourselves on every level. The decision to accept or reject our offer needs to be a conscious one. Karma accrues through action or lack of action. All the choices you make accumulate karma. I don't see karma as a negative, or a positive, but rather a neutral. It doesn't punish or reward. Like nature, it just is. When we send without permission we are saying we know what is best and whether we realize it or not we have some measure of responsibility for our action. We accrue karma. Some also say that if you are a compassionate person then you are compelled to send to relieve suffering. Sometimes compassion is knowing when to stand back and let things unfold. There are those that hold the view that Reiki is intelligent and can do no harm therefore it is always acceptable to send energy. Harm however is not usually defined. Reiki is about healing on all levels and the energy can initiate a clearing process, physical, emotional, and/or spiritual, which can sometimes be dramatic. Healing is a process and each persons process wont necessarily conform to our expectations. Adding words like for the highest good wont prevent this from happening. It may in fact facilitate a clearing response. Subjecting someone to the possibility of such a clearing without their knowledge is, in my estimation, harmful and an abuse of our ability. Working on someone else isnt about us and what we think needs attention, it is about the recipient. There is an old saying "there are three kinds of business in the world, yours, mine and God's. Make sure you know which is which". When we give Reiki without permission, we are meddling in another persons business, overstepping boundaries, and overriding their right to choose. Whether we are physically laying on hands or sending distantly we are invading their personal and energy space. We would never presume to enter someones home, or borrow their possessions without first having permission. Reiki is also about respect and that includes respecting the decisions and boundaries of others, without making judgements, even when we dont agree with them. Doctors, nurses, and other medical professionals dont go about dragging people into their offices and forcing treatment on them (as a matter of fact I think the law prohibits them from treating someone who refuses it, besides, its very bad manners). Seriously, what is the problem with asking? Why do some of us have such a difficult time accepting no for an answer? Why the need to do stealth Reiki? I think this has more to do with our needs and fears than with those of the person we are sending to. When most people say that someone 'needs' Reiki, they are really saying that what they are seeing makes them so uncomfortable that they need to ease their own personal discomfort. Giving or receiving Reiki isnt only about the boundaries of others; it is about our boundaries as well. We also need healthy boundaries in order to heal and integrate. This includes being able to say no if need be to someone who asks for or demands our time and services. We have every right and in some cases even the responsibility to refuse Reiki at any level. I have heard people say that sometimes another person unconsciously draws the energy through them without their consent. Others dont unconsciously draw Reiki energy through us without our consent, when this happens it is because we have, at some time, set the intent for it to happen. When I go dancing I am in a crowded room and physical contact with others is unavoidable just moving through the crowd. In a room filled with hundreds of people there have to be those who are in serious need of relief on any number of levels, but never has anyone, not even a dance partner, drawn Reiki through me. Free will is the key to any responsible practice and to honor each person's free will is part of our job. We need to examine our motives closely, be mindful of why and how we use the energy, and be consciously responsible for our actions. blessings telulah ###### From: Stuart Vernon Newsgroups: alt.healing.reiki Subject: Re: Can Reiki Cause Harm? Date: Mon, 07 Mar 2005 20:47:04 +0000 Lines: 15 Message-ID: <393subF5svg70U1@individual.net> References: <42291176.1396106@news.east.earthlink.net> <71a9b2a820f898ff27336463f5c534a2@localhost.talkaboutrecovery.com> <38u7r7F5r4l5hU1@uni-berlin.de> <38ujk8F5p4hcoU1@uni-berlin.de> <2fbb8ec82e7a29443d482ae56a6b9697@localhost.talkaboutrecovery.com> <38vs99F5s2vo4U1@uni-berlin.de> <3912abF5u4kvjU1@individual.net> <637b85957550b0dee390be0d50a7e33c@localhost.talkaboutrecovery.com> <014ac0e911dac2c57c4f218dc5ccdfbb@localhost.talkaboutrecovery.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Trace: individual.net tKytzUuxIMaY5ouTXtZJ/gEJ9/32H3NUQoAyP4QO/XC78ZSt0= User-Agent: Mozilla Thunderbird 0.9 (Windows/20041103) X-Accept-Language: en-us, en In-Reply-To: <014ac0e911dac2c57c4f218dc5ccdfbb@localhost.talkaboutrecovery.com> Path: nightfall.franklin.ch!news1.ethz.ch!news-zh.switch.ch!switch.ch!solnet.ch!solnet.ch!fu-berlin.de!uni-berlin.de!individual.net!not-for-mail Xref: nightfall.franklin.ch alt.healing.reiki:23179 telulah wrote: > Alex, > Prayer isn't Reiki. *applause* > blessings > telulah Stuart ###### From: Theo Newsgroups: alt.healing.reiki Subject: Re: Can Reiki Cause Harm? Date: Mon, 07 Mar 2005 21:49:03 +0100 Lines: 31 Message-ID: <393t15F5uj64kU2@uni-berlin.de> References: <42291176.1396106@news.east.earthlink.net> <71a9b2a820f898ff27336463f5c534a2@localhost.talkaboutrecovery.com> <38u7r7F5r4l5hU1@uni-berlin.de> <38ujk8F5p4hcoU1@uni-berlin.de> <2fbb8ec82e7a29443d482ae56a6b9697@localhost.talkaboutrecovery.com> <38vs99F5s2vo4U1@uni-berlin.de> <3912abF5u4kvjU1@individual.net> <637b85957550b0dee390be0d50a7e33c@localhost.talkaboutrecovery.com> Reply-To: byjoke@ch.inter.net Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Trace: news.uni-berlin.de tHjzmQkn17LWNG7z5WqQ8w0s9dVuGizP3vsmaLacrLb4GivFM2K6/h User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows; U; Windows NT 5.1; en-US; rv:1.4) Gecko/20030624 Netscape/7.1 (ax) X-Accept-Language: en, fr, it In-Reply-To: Path: nightfall.franklin.ch!news1.ethz.ch!news-zh.switch.ch!switch.ch!news.imp.ch!news.imp.ch!fu-berlin.de!uni-berlin.de!not-for-mail Xref: nightfall.franklin.ch alt.healing.reiki:23180 HI Alex Alex Barna wrote: > pr wrote: > >> "telulah" wrote in message >> news:637b85957550b0dee390be0d50a7e33c@localhost.talkaboutrecovery.com... >> >> | >> | Or when they feel they know what is 'best' or 'needed' and act on their >> | own perceptions of someone else's situation, especially without >> | permission. >> >> Do you mean like sending distant healing to people who did >> not ask for it? > If that is wrong you better inform the leaders of all the major > religions because they tell their followers to pray for the sick & > poor all the time. Praying can activate UE the same as the practice > of Reiki. > Since 'sending Reiki' doesn't actually do anything to the recipient > how can sending it with out permission be wrong? Congratulations Alex as usual pragmatic logic and solid like a Rock ! Theo778@hotmail.com MSN messanger / or ICQ 25 666 169 4 Private Mail : Theo@ch.inter.net Just for today... don't worry .....be happy ###### From: Theo Newsgroups: alt.healing.reiki Subject: Re: Can Reiki Cause Harm? Date: Mon, 07 Mar 2005 21:55:30 +0100 Lines: 30 Message-ID: <393td8F5u8a4qU1@uni-berlin.de> References: <42291176.1396106@news.east.earthlink.net> <71a9b2a820f898ff27336463f5c534a2@localhost.talkaboutrecovery.com> <38u7r7F5r4l5hU1@uni-berlin.de> <38ujk8F5p4hcoU1@uni-berlin.de> <2fbb8ec82e7a29443d482ae56a6b9697@localhost.talkaboutrecovery.com> <38vs99F5s2vo4U1@uni-berlin.de> <3912abF5u4kvjU1@individual.net> <637b85957550b0dee390be0d50a7e33c@localhost.talkaboutrecovery.com> Reply-To: byjoke@ch.inter.net Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Trace: news.uni-berlin.de yFkid6vZ3bWIhGGi6efhfAIOZ0WGgsIXLMIA/rLngcHjiOTmykBGHc User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows; U; Windows NT 5.1; en-US; rv:1.4) Gecko/20030624 Netscape/7.1 (ax) X-Accept-Language: en, fr, it In-Reply-To: Path: nightfall.franklin.ch!news1.ethz.ch!news-zh.switch.ch!switch.ch!newscore.univie.ac.at!fu-berlin.de!uni-berlin.de!not-for-mail Xref: nightfall.franklin.ch alt.healing.reiki:23181 Judy wrote: > In message , Alex Barna > writes > >> >> Since 'sending Reiki' doesn't actually do anything to the recipient >> how can sending it with out permission be wrong? > Are you saying that "sending" distant Reiki does not affect the > recipient in any way ? of course it does but does not harm as if is sent with malvolent intent does not work .. Do you remember the case of Juan that was sending reiki to his ex girl friend to keep her quiet and leave him in peace with his new conquest ? he was having the opposite effect, most probably Reiki was healing the girl and making her reject all bad things she endured with Juan( sorry Don Juan ) .. so more Reiki he was sending more she was violent in her reactions.. reaki does not work chirurgically as we wish but it works.. Theo778@hotmail.com MSN messanger / or ICQ 25 666 169 4 Private Mail : Theo@ch.inter.net Just for today... don't worry .....be happy ###### From: "barefoot_doctor" Newsgroups: alt.healing.reiki Subject: Re: Can Reiki Cause Harm? Date: 7 Mar 2005 13:08:41 -0800 Organization: http://groups.google.com Lines: 7 Message-ID: <1110229721.584305.74300@l41g2000cwc.googlegroups.com> References: <42291176.1396106@news.east.earthlink.net> <1110058308.895917.50370@g14g2000cwa.googlegroups.com> <1110138612.831090.91470@l41g2000cwc.googlegroups.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: 62.31.134.13 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" X-Trace: posting.google.com 1110229725 31076 127.0.0.1 (7 Mar 2005 21:08:45 GMT) X-Complaints-To: groups-abuse@google.com NNTP-Posting-Date: Mon, 7 Mar 2005 21:08:45 +0000 (UTC) In-Reply-To: User-Agent: G2/0.2 Complaints-To: groups-abuse@google.com Injection-Info: l41g2000cwc.googlegroups.com; posting-host=62.31.134.13; posting-account=bdzPag0AAAAQYVlXPmCioAsWsJeHUGJh Path: nightfall.franklin.ch!news1.ethz.ch!news-zh.switch.ch!irazu.switch.ch!switch.ch!newsfeed00.sul.t-online.de!t-online.de!news.glorb.com!postnews.google.com!l41g2000cwc.googlegroups.com!not-for-mail Xref: nightfall.franklin.ch alt.healing.reiki:23184 My understanding, Peter, is not "before" - that would be time and time, well time is something men do in order to make sense of universe. The energy of creation gives rise to what westerners might call duality. It does it at the same time, not before. My opinion only. Barefoot. ###### From: Alex Barna Organization: WorldWide_Spam_killers User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows; U; Windows NT 5.1; en-US; rv:1.7.5) Gecko/20041217 X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 Newsgroups: alt.healing.reiki Subject: Re: Can Reiki Cause Harm? References: <42291176.1396106@news.east.earthlink.net> <71a9b2a820f898ff27336463f5c534a2@localhost.talkaboutrecovery.com> <38u7r7F5r4l5hU1@uni-berlin.de> <38ujk8F5p4hcoU1@uni-berlin.de> <2fbb8ec82e7a29443d482ae56a6b9697@localhost.talkaboutrecovery.com> <38vs99F5s2vo4U1@uni-berlin.de> <3912abF5u4kvjU1@individual.net> <637b85957550b0dee390be0d50a7e33c@localhost.talkaboutrecovery.com> In-Reply-To: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Lines: 36 Message-ID: Date: Mon, 07 Mar 2005 21:10:44 GMT NNTP-Posting-Host: 70.92.138.227 X-Complaints-To: abuse@rr.com X-Trace: twister.rdc-kc.rr.com 1110229844 70.92.138.227 (Mon, 07 Mar 2005 15:10:44 CST) NNTP-Posting-Date: Mon, 07 Mar 2005 15:10:44 CST Path: nightfall.franklin.ch!news1.ethz.ch!news-zh.switch.ch!irazu.switch.ch!switch.ch!newsfeed00.sul.t-online.de!t-online.de!newshub.sdsu.edu!elnk-nf2-pas!elnk-pas-nf1!newsfeed.earthlink.net!cyclone.socal.rr.com!cyclone2.kc.rr.com!news2.kc.rr.com!twister.rdc-kc.rr.com.POSTED!53ab2750!not-for-mail Xref: nightfall.franklin.ch alt.healing.reiki:23183 Judy wrote: > In message , Alex > Barna writes >> Since 'sending Reiki' doesn't actually do anything to the >> recipient how can sending it with out permission be wrong? > > Are you saying that "sending" distant Reiki does not affect > the recipient in any way ? Nope, there was supposed to be more between "recipient & how" but I was so busy trying to phrase it I forgot to type it. :) I guess old age is setting in. :) What I intended to say was, Since 'sending Reiki' doesn't actually do anything to the recipient, different than what prayer does, how can sending it with out permission be wrong? GramPaHugs, Alex, -- Any information is included for informational or entertainment purposes only, is based on my personal experiences & is an expression of my opinion. **************************************************** * Love radiating from 45.10n x 93.30w M/SP Mn * AOL Click * AOL Click **************************************************** ###### From: Theo Newsgroups: alt.healing.reiki Subject: Re: Can Reiki Cause Harm? Date: Mon, 07 Mar 2005 22:14:15 +0100 Lines: 101 Message-ID: <393ugdF5sug2hU1@uni-berlin.de> References: <42291176.1396106@news.east.earthlink.net> <71a9b2a820f898ff27336463f5c534a2@localhost.talkaboutrecovery.com> <38u7r7F5r4l5hU1@uni-berlin.de> <38ujk8F5p4hcoU1@uni-berlin.de> <2fbb8ec82e7a29443d482ae56a6b9697@localhost.talkaboutrecovery.com> <38vs99F5s2vo4U1@uni-berlin.de> <3912abF5u4kvjU1@individual.net> <637b85957550b0dee390be0d50a7e33c@localhost.talkaboutrecovery.com> <014ac0e911dac2c57c4f218dc5ccdfbb@localhost.talkaboutrecovery.com> Reply-To: byjoke@ch.inter.net Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=windows-1252; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Trace: news.uni-berlin.de Lo9oeqiEYEwY+WYfsRmoEwbMlm+LXAsLWoSSEGjJ/aRpjgi7s7EEqj User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows; U; Windows NT 5.1; en-US; rv:1.4) Gecko/20030624 Netscape/7.1 (ax) X-Accept-Language: en, fr, it In-Reply-To: <014ac0e911dac2c57c4f218dc5ccdfbb@localhost.talkaboutrecovery.com> Path: nightfall.franklin.ch!news1.ethz.ch!news-zh.switch.ch!switch.ch!solnet.ch!solnet.ch!fu-berlin.de!uni-berlin.de!not-for-mail Xref: nightfall.franklin.ch alt.healing.reiki:23185 telulah wrote: > Alex, > Prayer isn't Reiki. > and a Benediction litteraly meand to say (send ) good ... so when we send Reiki we Benedict if teh Pope can do this to everybody why in return we cannot ? > Usui called Reiki a system of personal mastery and there was significant > time spent at level I working with the energy as well as in the > meditations and practices before (if ever) moving to level II. For these > reasons and the fact that the system comes out of the Japanese culture, it is extremely walid and even more necessary in OUR western culture > permission was likely a non-issue and so was not addressed. We are in a > time and culture quite different from Usuis. Things are faster, there is > less time spent growing into the system and its practices. I think that > some of the understandings that come with patience and practice may be > lagging behind as a result of this need to rush. why rush you leave and learn at your peace it is your choice it is not carved on stone that has to be so I refused my master that was rushing me to learn different sytems by tens >If we are to truly > attempt to live the principles I believe that we need to closely examine > the motives that drive our practices. I guess most of us did > It is my feeling that permission is essential to the practice of > Reiki. no because it is something we are born with laike the sense of mystic or religion or spirituality . you cannot exclude people from that .. people that comes to reki comes because he started a spiritual path and you talk about it as a pizza business that needs a licece to be exploited ! > When we practice we need to honor boundaries and abandon our concepts of > what someone else may need. My RM is a masseuse and 'lays hands' on people > daily for a living. She informs new clients that she is also a Reiki > practitioner and obtains permission before working on them. If they > decline or do not give permission she does not use Reiki. ok great she is right .. some of her patients might be of another credo and be offended but if someone is suffering and you tell to the person * I'll prey for you * nobody muslim catholic chinese or jew will refuse if you tell the same person I will perform a ceremony to help you according my sytem of beliefs will probably refuse ! BTW how much does she charge for Reiki ? and for the massage ? > For me this whole subject is a matter of respect and humility. for you for me is something I do not pay attention at ll .. each of us has his own systemys of value , we tend to generalize > Do I > respect the rights, privacy, and wishes of another concerning themselves, > or do I assert my idea of what they need or what I think may be necessary > to alleviate my perception of their suffering. No is no, it doesn't matter > if it is said softly or with a shout. My mother always said 'put yourself > in their position and tell me how you would feel'. When I do that I > understand that I would feel disrespected, violated, that being the case I > have no option but to respect their wishes. Respect and humility help us > honor boundaries and directly support a recipient in developing trust and > feeling empowered to direct their own experiences within an integrated > complementary and mainstream care plan for wellbeing, which hopefully > includes Reiki amazing, you are getting into a maze > When someone says they don't want us to send or they refuse hands on > work > then we need to respect their decision. I send distant Reiki to a person since two years and the person is still fine and alive...never asked permission ... maybe teh person is still alive because of me :-D Think one thing you can send reiki in Time if you send Reiki to Jesus on the Cross to help Him to sustain his great burden is ethically correct or not ? and if it is not correct what can He do ? snip ..(too long) > blessings > telulah the last question when is your birtday date ? day and month not the year just curious statistics... Theo778@hotmail.com MSN messanger / or ICQ 25 666 169 4 Private Mail : Theo@ch.inter.net Just for today... don't worry .....be happy ###### From: Theo Newsgroups: alt.healing.reiki Subject: Re: Can Reiki Cause Harm? Date: Mon, 07 Mar 2005 22:15:13 +0100 Lines: 28 Message-ID: <393ui7F5sug2hU2@uni-berlin.de> References: <42291176.1396106@news.east.earthlink.net> <71a9b2a820f898ff27336463f5c534a2@localhost.talkaboutrecovery.com> <38u7r7F5r4l5hU1@uni-berlin.de> <38ujk8F5p4hcoU1@uni-berlin.de> <2fbb8ec82e7a29443d482ae56a6b9697@localhost.talkaboutrecovery.com> <38vs99F5s2vo4U1@uni-berlin.de> <3912abF5u4kvjU1@individual.net> <637b85957550b0dee390be0d50a7e33c@localhost.talkaboutrecovery.com> <014ac0e911dac2c57c4f218dc5ccdfbb@localhost.talkaboutrecovery.com> <393subF5svg70U1@individual.net> Reply-To: byjoke@ch.inter.net Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Trace: news.uni-berlin.de e0/3kBF4SDig7Un0b0H3CQLIeZ6Kd1J3IDD0BeQMgvd2rWyBEh7Std User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows; U; Windows NT 5.1; en-US; rv:1.4) Gecko/20030624 Netscape/7.1 (ax) X-Accept-Language: en, fr, it In-Reply-To: <393subF5svg70U1@individual.net> Path: nightfall.franklin.ch!news1.ethz.ch!news-zh.switch.ch!switch.ch!solnet.ch!solnet.ch!fu-berlin.de!uni-berlin.de!not-for-mail Xref: nightfall.franklin.ch alt.healing.reiki:23186 Stuart Vernon wrote: > telulah wrote: > >> Alex, >> >> Prayer isn't Reiki. > > *applause* > >> blessings >> telulah > Stuart > :-D Theo778@hotmail.com MSN messanger / or ICQ 25 666 169 4 Private Mail : Theo@ch.inter.net Just for today... don't worry .....be happy ###### From: "barefoot_doctor" Newsgroups: alt.healing.reiki Subject: Re: Can Reiki Cause Harm? Date: 7 Mar 2005 13:16:47 -0800 Organization: http://groups.google.com Lines: 4 Message-ID: <1110230207.310520.213250@l41g2000cwc.googlegroups.com> References: <42291176.1396106@news.east.earthlink.net> <71a9b2a820f898ff27336463f5c534a2@localhost.talkaboutrecovery.com> <38u7r7F5r4l5hU1@uni-berlin.de> <38ujk8F5p4hcoU1@uni-berlin.de> <2fbb8ec82e7a29443d482ae56a6b9697@localhost.talkaboutrecovery.com> <38vs99F5s2vo4U1@uni-berlin.de> <3912abF5u4kvjU1@individual.net> <637b85957550b0dee390be0d50a7e33c@localhost.talkaboutrecovery.com> <014ac0e911dac2c57c4f218dc5ccdfbb@localhost.talkaboutrecovery.com> <393subF5svg70U1@individual.net> NNTP-Posting-Host: 62.31.134.13 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" X-Trace: posting.google.com 1110230211 31772 127.0.0.1 (7 Mar 2005 21:16:51 GMT) X-Complaints-To: groups-abuse@google.com NNTP-Posting-Date: Mon, 7 Mar 2005 21:16:51 +0000 (UTC) In-Reply-To: <393subF5svg70U1@individual.net> User-Agent: G2/0.2 Complaints-To: groups-abuse@google.com Injection-Info: l41g2000cwc.googlegroups.com; posting-host=62.31.134.13; posting-account=bdzPag0AAAAQYVlXPmCioAsWsJeHUGJh Path: nightfall.franklin.ch!news1.ethz.ch!news-zh.switch.ch!switch.ch!solnet.ch!solnet.ch!news.glorb.com!postnews.google.com!l41g2000cwc.googlegroups.com!not-for-mail Xref: nightfall.franklin.ch alt.healing.reiki:23187 Indeed. Very nice post - and true. Barefoot. ###### From: Theo Newsgroups: alt.healing.reiki Subject: Re: Can Reiki Cause Harm? Date: Mon, 07 Mar 2005 22:21:03 +0100 Lines: 43 Message-ID: <393ut5F5sug2hU4@uni-berlin.de> References: <42291176.1396106@news.east.earthlink.net> <71a9b2a820f898ff27336463f5c534a2@localhost.talkaboutrecovery.com> <38u7r7F5r4l5hU1@uni-berlin.de> <38ujk8F5p4hcoU1@uni-berlin.de> <2fbb8ec82e7a29443d482ae56a6b9697@localhost.talkaboutrecovery.com> <38vs99F5s2vo4U1@uni-berlin.de> <3912abF5u4kvjU1@individual.net> <637b85957550b0dee390be0d50a7e33c@localhost.talkaboutrecovery.com> Reply-To: byjoke@ch.inter.net Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Trace: news.uni-berlin.de T+ue5S9yA6IqvW3HPXBIqgq2cj3taJsD/RG8XHK09u+E9IKp48wVLS User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows; U; Windows NT 5.1; en-US; rv:1.4) Gecko/20030624 Netscape/7.1 (ax) X-Accept-Language: en, fr, it In-Reply-To: Path: nightfall.franklin.ch!news1.ethz.ch!news-zh.switch.ch!switch.ch!news.imp.ch!news.imp.ch!fu-berlin.de!uni-berlin.de!not-for-mail Xref: nightfall.franklin.ch alt.healing.reiki:23189 Alex Barna wrote: > Judy wrote: > >> In message , Alex >> Barna writes >> >>> >>> Since 'sending Reiki' doesn't actually do anything to the >>> recipient how can sending it with out permission be wrong? >> >> > >> Are you saying that "sending" distant Reiki does not affect >> the recipient in any way ? > Nope, there was supposed to be more between "recipient & how" but > I was so busy trying to phrase it I forgot to type it. :) I guess > old age is setting in. :) No Alex we are having a stressing moment in AHR LOL!!! > What I intended to say was, > Since 'sending Reiki' doesn't actually do anything to the > recipient, different than what prayer does, how can sending it with > out permission be wrong? > GramPaHugs, > Alex, Love and Reiki to everybody willing or unwilling and have lovely dreams ... whatever sort you might wish ;-) I am going to sleep Love and light o778@hotmail.com MSN messanger / or ICQ 25 666 169 4 Private Mail : Theo@ch.inter.net Just for today... don't worry .....be happy ###### Message-ID: From: Judy Newsgroups: alt.healing.reiki Subject: Re: Can Reiki Cause Harm? References: <42291176.1396106@news.east.earthlink.net> <71a9b2a820f898ff27336463f5c534a2@localhost.talkaboutrecovery.com> <38u7r7F5r4l5hU1@uni-berlin.de> <38ujk8F5p4hcoU1@uni-berlin.de> <2fbb8ec82e7a29443d482ae56a6b9697@localhost.talkaboutrecovery.com> <38vs99F5s2vo4U1@uni-berlin.de> <3912abF5u4kvjU1@individual.net> <637b85957550b0dee390be0d50a7e33c@localhost.talkaboutrecovery.com> <014ac0e911dac2c57c4f218dc5ccdfbb@localhost.talkaboutrecovery.com> <393subF5svg70U1@individual.net> Lines: 24 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain;charset=us-ascii;format=flowed User-Agent: Turnpike/6.02-U () Date: Mon, 07 Mar 2005 21:23:14 GMT NNTP-Posting-Host: 82.35.153.131 X-Trace: fe2.news.blueyonder.co.uk 1110230594 82.35.153.131 (Mon, 07 Mar 2005 21:23:14 GMT) NNTP-Posting-Date: Mon, 07 Mar 2005 21:23:14 GMT Path: nightfall.franklin.ch!news1.ethz.ch!news-zh.switch.ch!switch.ch!solnet.ch!solnet.ch!newsfeed.freenet.de!216.196.110.149.MISMATCH!border2.nntp.ams.giganews.com!nntp.giganews.com!pe2.news.blueyonder.co.uk!blueyonder!pe1.news.blueyonder.co.uk!blueyonder!fe2.news.blueyonder.co.uk.POSTED!53ab2750!not-for-mail Xref: nightfall.franklin.ch alt.healing.reiki:23190 Stuart Vernon writes >telulah wrote: > >> Alex, >> Prayer isn't Reiki. > > > >*applause* > >> blessings >> telulah > >Stuart > Absolutely :) A complete breath of fresh air & well worth coming back for just to read this :) Wonderful post, telulah -- Judy ###### Message-ID: <15aEdBRDXMLCFwPE@blueyonder.co.uk> From: Judy Newsgroups: alt.healing.reiki Subject: Re: Can Reiki Cause Harm? References: <42291176.1396106@news.east.earthlink.net> <71a9b2a820f898ff27336463f5c534a2@localhost.talkaboutrecovery.com> <38u7r7F5r4l5hU1@uni-berlin.de> <38ujk8F5p4hcoU1@uni-berlin.de> <2fbb8ec82e7a29443d482ae56a6b9697@localhost.talkaboutrecovery.com> <38vs99F5s2vo4U1@uni-berlin.de> <3912abF5u4kvjU1@individual.net> <637b85957550b0dee390be0d50a7e33c@localhost.talkaboutrecovery.com> <393td8F5u8a4qU1@uni-berlin.de> Lines: 20 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain;charset=us-ascii;format=flowed User-Agent: Turnpike/6.02-U () Date: Mon, 07 Mar 2005 21:23:14 GMT NNTP-Posting-Host: 82.35.153.131 X-Trace: fe2.news.blueyonder.co.uk 1110230594 82.35.153.131 (Mon, 07 Mar 2005 21:23:14 GMT) NNTP-Posting-Date: Mon, 07 Mar 2005 21:23:14 GMT Path: nightfall.franklin.ch!news1.ethz.ch!news-zh.switch.ch!switch.ch!solnet.ch!solnet.ch!newsfeed.freenet.de!216.196.110.149.MISMATCH!border2.nntp.ams.giganews.com!nntp.giganews.com!pe2.news.blueyonder.co.uk!blueyonder!pe1.news.blueyonder.co.uk!blueyonder!fe2.news.blueyonder.co.uk.POSTED!53ab2750!not-for-mail Xref: nightfall.franklin.ch alt.healing.reiki:23191 In message <393td8F5u8a4qU1@uni-berlin.de>, Theo writes > of course it does but does not harm >as if is sent with malvolent intent does not work .. > Do you remember the case of Juan that was sending reiki to his ex > girl friend to keep her quiet and leave him in peace with his new > conquest ? > he was having the opposite effect, most probably Reiki was healing > the girl and making her reject all bad things she endured with > Juan( sorry Don Juan ) .. so more Reiki he was sending more she was > violent in her reactions.. > reaki does not work chirurgically as we wish but it works.. No, Theo. You and I clearly have different definitions of "harm". I couldn't wish to write better on this subject than telulah's post in this thread. That says it all ... -- Judy ###### From: Theo Newsgroups: alt.healing.reiki Subject: Re: Can Reiki Cause Harm? Date: Mon, 07 Mar 2005 22:25:57 +0100 Lines: 30 Message-ID: <393v6bF5tofmsU1@uni-berlin.de> References: <42291176.1396106@news.east.earthlink.net> <71a9b2a820f898ff27336463f5c534a2@localhost.talkaboutrecovery.com> <38u7r7F5r4l5hU1@uni-berlin.de> <38ujk8F5p4hcoU1@uni-berlin.de> <2fbb8ec82e7a29443d482ae56a6b9697@localhost.talkaboutrecovery.com> <38vs99F5s2vo4U1@uni-berlin.de> <3912abF5u4kvjU1@individual.net> <637b85957550b0dee390be0d50a7e33c@localhost.talkaboutrecovery.com> <014ac0e911dac2c57c4f218dc5ccdfbb@localhost.talkaboutrecovery.com> <393subF5svg70U1@individual.net> Reply-To: byjoke@ch.inter.net Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Trace: news.uni-berlin.de wLvzRc1SEAxhMfcy3dsptQLfa5/urmtGb7npcyKnLbtfdobNiipafQ User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows; U; Windows NT 5.1; en-US; rv:1.4) Gecko/20030624 Netscape/7.1 (ax) X-Accept-Language: en, fr, it In-Reply-To: <393subF5svg70U1@individual.net> Path: nightfall.franklin.ch!news1.ethz.ch!news-zh.switch.ch!irazu.switch.ch!switch.ch!newsmi-eu.news.garr.it!NewsITBone-GARR!fu-berlin.de!uni-berlin.de!not-for-mail Xref: nightfall.franklin.ch alt.healing.reiki:23193 Stuart Vernon wrote: > telulah wrote: > >> Alex, >> >> Prayer isn't Reiki. > > *applause* > >> blessings >> telulah > Stuart > Appl + 10 cents in the money for the future march almost 2 more week to go for the 3 witches hope gets 46 cheers Theo778@hotmail.com MSN messanger / or ICQ 25 666 169 4 Private Mail : Theo@ch.inter.net Just for today... don't worry .....be happy ###### From: Theo Newsgroups: alt.healing.reiki Subject: Re: Can Reiki Cause Harm? Date: Mon, 07 Mar 2005 22:29:40 +0100 Lines: 33 Message-ID: <393vdaF5t7mo5U1@uni-berlin.de> References: <42291176.1396106@news.east.earthlink.net> <71a9b2a820f898ff27336463f5c534a2@localhost.talkaboutrecovery.com> <38u7r7F5r4l5hU1@uni-berlin.de> <38ujk8F5p4hcoU1@uni-berlin.de> <2fbb8ec82e7a29443d482ae56a6b9697@localhost.talkaboutrecovery.com> <38vs99F5s2vo4U1@uni-berlin.de> <3912abF5u4kvjU1@individual.net> <637b85957550b0dee390be0d50a7e33c@localhost.talkaboutrecovery.com> <393td8F5u8a4qU1@uni-berlin.de> <15aEdBRDXMLCFwPE@blueyonder.co.uk> Reply-To: byjoke@ch.inter.net Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Trace: news.uni-berlin.de csCJEAas2L1N5I8z6SsjmAdjbeMDuhjBijaHmUewIl2LjohVArAjW1 User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows; U; Windows NT 5.1; en-US; rv:1.4) Gecko/20030624 Netscape/7.1 (ax) X-Accept-Language: en, fr, it In-Reply-To: <15aEdBRDXMLCFwPE@blueyonder.co.uk> Path: nightfall.franklin.ch!news1.ethz.ch!news-zh.switch.ch!switch.ch!solnet.ch!solnet.ch!fu-berlin.de!uni-berlin.de!not-for-mail Xref: nightfall.franklin.ch alt.healing.reiki:23194 Judy wrote: > In message <393td8F5u8a4qU1@uni-berlin.de>, Theo > writes > >> of course it does but does not harm >> as if is sent with malvolent intent does not work .. >> Do you remember the case of Juan that was sending reiki to his ex >> girl friend to keep her quiet and leave him in peace with his >> new conquest ? >> he was having the opposite effect, most probably Reiki was healing >> the girl and making her reject all bad things she endured with >> Juan( sorry Don Juan ) .. so more Reiki he was sending more she >> was violent in her reactions.. >> reaki does not work chirurgically as we wish but it works.. > No, Theo. You and I clearly have different definitions of "harm". > I couldn't wish to write better on this subject than telulah's post > in this thread. That says it all ... I think each of us in his mind talks of *harm* under his personal perspective.. so I guess we are just loosing time.. harm can be done in houdreds of ways .. as at UN conference FIRST of all we should define the limits and the significance of the world Harm or we are just stirring air Theo778@hotmail.com MSN messanger / or ICQ 25 666 169 4 Private Mail : Theo@ch.inter.net Just for today... don't worry .....be happy ###### Message-ID: <$Z0G1GS5sMLCFwtZ@blueyonder.co.uk> From: Judy Newsgroups: alt.healing.reiki Subject: Re: Can Reiki Cause Harm? References: <42291176.1396106@news.east.earthlink.net> <71a9b2a820f898ff27336463f5c534a2@localhost.talkaboutrecovery.com> <38u7r7F5r4l5hU1@uni-berlin.de> <38ujk8F5p4hcoU1@uni-berlin.de> <2fbb8ec82e7a29443d482ae56a6b9697@localhost.talkaboutrecovery.com> <38vs99F5s2vo4U1@uni-berlin.de> <3912abF5u4kvjU1@individual.net> <637b85957550b0dee390be0d50a7e33c@localhost.talkaboutrecovery.com> Lines: 29 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain;charset=us-ascii;format=flowed User-Agent: Turnpike/6.02-U () Date: Mon, 07 Mar 2005 21:46:35 GMT NNTP-Posting-Host: 82.35.153.131 X-Trace: fe2.news.blueyonder.co.uk 1110231995 82.35.153.131 (Mon, 07 Mar 2005 21:46:35 GMT) NNTP-Posting-Date: Mon, 07 Mar 2005 21:46:35 GMT Path: nightfall.franklin.ch!news1.ethz.ch!news-zh.switch.ch!switch.ch!solnet.ch!solnet.ch!news2.euro.net!border2.nntp.ams.giganews.com!nntp.giganews.com!pe2.news.blueyonder.co.uk!blueyonder!pe1.news.blueyonder.co.uk!blueyonder!fe2.news.blueyonder.co.uk.POSTED!53ab2750!not-for-mail Xref: nightfall.franklin.ch alt.healing.reiki:23195 Alex Barna writes >Judy wrote: >> Are you saying that "sending" distant Reiki does not affect >> the recipient in any way ? > >Nope, there was supposed to be more between "recipient & how" but > I was so busy trying to phrase it I forgot to type it. :) I guess > old age is setting in. :) Oh no, its nothing to do with age. I walked home from the shops the other day ... which was fine until I went out again later & discovered that I'd used the car to get there ... > >What I intended to say was, >Since 'sending Reiki' doesn't actually do anything to the > recipient, different than what prayer does, how can sending it with > out permission be wrong? I think it is different, for the reasons telulah gave. It's just one of those things people fall very much into two camps over, I guess. A prayer and a Reiki session may well produce the same apparent result (the fullness of which we never know, of course) ... but the "actions" are different, the ethical framework not the same ... :) -- Judy ###### From: "barefoot_doctor" Newsgroups: alt.healing.reiki Subject: Re: Can Reiki Cause Harm? Date: 7 Mar 2005 14:01:47 -0800 Organization: http://groups.google.com Lines: 6 Message-ID: <1110229798.548413.155500@l41g2000cwc.googlegroups.com> References: <42291176.1396106@news.east.earthlink.net> <1110058308.895917.50370@g14g2000cwa.googlegroups.com> <1110138612.831090.91470@l41g2000cwc.googlegroups.com> <391asnF5t2nsbU1@uni-berlin.de> <1110150861.886739.237010@z14g2000cwz.googlegroups.com> <392afjF5re2vuU1@uni-berlin.de> NNTP-Posting-Host: 62.31.134.13 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" X-Trace: posting.google.com 1110232911 28870 127.0.0.1 (7 Mar 2005 22:01:51 GMT) X-Complaints-To: groups-abuse@google.com NNTP-Posting-Date: Mon, 7 Mar 2005 22:01:51 +0000 (UTC) In-Reply-To: <392afjF5re2vuU1@uni-berlin.de> User-Agent: G2/0.2 Complaints-To: groups-abuse@google.com Injection-Info: l41g2000cwc.googlegroups.com; posting-host=62.31.134.13; posting-account=bdzPag0AAAAQYVlXPmCioAsWsJeHUGJh Path: nightfall.franklin.ch!news1.ethz.ch!news-zh.switch.ch!switch.ch!solnet.ch!solnet.ch!news.glorb.com!postnews.google.com!l41g2000cwc.googlegroups.com!not-for-mail Xref: nightfall.franklin.ch alt.healing.reiki:23197 Well, I travel by horsepower It is a car. Barefoot. ###### From: Stuart Vernon Newsgroups: alt.healing.reiki Subject: Re: Can Reiki Cause Harm? Date: Mon, 07 Mar 2005 22:08:05 +0000 Lines: 8 Message-ID: <3941mfF5tpq20U1@individual.net> References: <42291176.1396106@news.east.earthlink.net> <71a9b2a820f898ff27336463f5c534a2@localhost.talkaboutrecovery.com> <38u7r7F5r4l5hU1@uni-berlin.de> <38ujk8F5p4hcoU1@uni-berlin.de> <2fbb8ec82e7a29443d482ae56a6b9697@localhost.talkaboutrecovery.com> <38vs99F5s2vo4U1@uni-berlin.de> <3912abF5u4kvjU1@individual.net> <637b85957550b0dee390be0d50a7e33c@localhost.talkaboutrecovery.com> <$Z0G1GS5sMLCFwtZ@blueyonder.co.uk> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Trace: individual.net 4ZDF0WGY6uXzR2lRjpMtbgx5eFtNXt5KRQTvsYTCL+m9gBmjw= User-Agent: Mozilla Thunderbird 0.9 (Windows/20041103) X-Accept-Language: en-us, en In-Reply-To: <$Z0G1GS5sMLCFwtZ@blueyonder.co.uk> Path: nightfall.franklin.ch!news1.ethz.ch!news-zh.switch.ch!switch.ch!solnet.ch!solnet.ch!fu-berlin.de!uni-berlin.de!individual.net!not-for-mail Xref: nightfall.franklin.ch alt.healing.reiki:23198 Judy wrote: > Oh no, its nothing to do with age. I walked home from the shops the > other day ... which was fine until I went out again later & > discovered that I'd used the car to get there ... 'Cmon .. that is a 'Senior Moment' if ever there was one .. :) Stuart ###### From: Alex Barna Organization: WorldWide_Spam_killers User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows; U; Windows NT 5.1; en-US; rv:1.7.5) Gecko/20041217 X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 Newsgroups: alt.healing.reiki Subject: Re: Can Reiki Cause Harm? References: <42291176.1396106@news.east.earthlink.net> <71a9b2a820f898ff27336463f5c534a2@localhost.talkaboutrecovery.com> <38u7r7F5r4l5hU1@uni-berlin.de> <38ujk8F5p4hcoU1@uni-berlin.de> <2fbb8ec82e7a29443d482ae56a6b9697@localhost.talkaboutrecovery.com> <38vs99F5s2vo4U1@uni-berlin.de> <3912abF5u4kvjU1@individual.net> <637b85957550b0dee390be0d50a7e33c@localhost.talkaboutrecovery.com> <014ac0e911dac2c57c4f218dc5ccdfbb@localhost.talkaboutrecovery.com> In-Reply-To: <014ac0e911dac2c57c4f218dc5ccdfbb@localhost.talkaboutrecovery.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Lines: 81 Message-ID: Date: Mon, 07 Mar 2005 16:12:21 -0600 NNTP-Posting-Host: 70.92.138.227 X-Complaints-To: abuse@rr.com X-Trace: twister.rdc-kc.rr.com 1110233396 70.92.138.227 (Mon, 07 Mar 2005 16:09:56 CST) NNTP-Posting-Date: Mon, 07 Mar 2005 16:09:56 CST Path: nightfall.franklin.ch!news1.ethz.ch!news-zh.switch.ch!switch.ch!news.imp.ch!news.imp.ch!209.11.36.156.MISMATCH!nntp-server.pubsub.com!news.glorb.com!newsfeed2.easynews.com!easynews.com!easynews!news-west.rr.com!news.rr.com!cyclone.kc.rr.com!cyclone2.kc.rr.com!news2.kc.rr.com!twister.rdc-kc.rr.com.POSTED!53ab2750!not-for-mail Xref: nightfall.franklin.ch alt.healing.reiki:23199 Hi telulah, telulah wrote: > Alex, > Prayer isn't Reiki. I'll start by explaining that I born able to *see*, *visualize* the field, energy or what I grew up calling My Golden Mist. I've spent more than 60 years observing that golden mist & how it can be affected by human thought. I discovered 4 years ago that there were people that use that golden mist as a healing energy & call what they do Reiki. As my signature says, Any information is included for informational or entertainment purposes only, is based on my personal experiences & is an expression of my opinion. Having said that I could list the many times I've observed people that didn't know about Reiki & wouldn't believe in it if told about it, doing the same thing that people doing Reiki do with the Golden Mist. You are correct prayer isn't Reiki, prayer is just a different way of doing the same thing. > It is my feeling that permission is essential to the practice of > Reiki. That is your belief. It is not my belief or my experience. > When someone says they don't want us to send or they refuse hands on > work then we need to respect their decision. Then how can Reiki be sent to an unborn child or an infant or a unconscious person or an animal or given to a plant? They can't give permission. How can someone that has never heard of Reiki or have any idea what it is say they don't want it. Did you send Reiki to the tsunami survivors? Did you ask each of them for permission? > Karma accrues through action or lack of action. All the choices you > make accumulate karma. I don't see karma as a negative, or a > positive, but rather a neutral. It doesn't punish or reward. Like > nature, it just is. When we send without permission we are saying we > know what is best and whether we realize it or not we have some > measure of responsibility for our action. We accrue karma. IMO, Karma is a human invention developed to prevent people from taking part in antisocial activities. > blessings telulah All that & you sign with unasked for blessings. Isn't that a contradiction? ^_^ GramPaHugs, Alex, -- Any information is included for informational or entertainment purposes only, is based on my personal experiences & is an expression of my opinion. No endorsement is implied or intended. **************************************************** * Love radiating from 45.10n x 93.30w M/SP Mn * AOL Click * AOL Click **************************************************** ###### From: "Gabriel" Newsgroups: alt.healing.reiki Subject: Re: Can Reiki Cause Harm? Date: Mon, 7 Mar 2005 23:14:10 +0100 Organization: T-Online Lines: 82 Message-ID: References: <42291176.1396106@news.east.earthlink.net> <71a9b2a820f898ff27336463f5c534a2@localhost.talkaboutrecovery.com> <38u7r7F5r4l5hU1@uni-berlin.de> <38ujk8F5p4hcoU1@uni-berlin.de> <2fbb8ec82e7a29443d482ae56a6b9697@localhost.talkaboutrecovery.com> <38vs99F5s2vo4U1@uni-berlin.de> <3912abF5u4kvjU1@individual.net> <637b85957550b0dee390be0d50a7e33c@localhost.talkaboutrecovery.com> <014ac0e911dac2c57c4f218dc5ccdfbb@localhost.talkaboutrecovery.com> Reply-To: "Gabriel" Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Trace: news.t-online.com 1110233566 01 14970 OD8YrwU1BQVJSGXc 050307 22:12:46 X-Complaints-To: usenet-abuse@t-online.de X-ID: GFKSykZ-oelNflGgRiwtAaMcgv5rSX7omybmpCto5WVCXL3BsFdSrb X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.2527 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2527 X-RFC2646: Format=Flowed; Original Path: nightfall.franklin.ch!news1.ethz.ch!news-zh.switch.ch!switch.ch!solnet.ch!solnet.ch!newsfeed.freenet.de!newsfeed00.sul.t-online.de!newsmm00.sul.t-online.de!t-online.de!news.t-online.com!not-for-mail Xref: nightfall.franklin.ch alt.healing.reiki:23200 telulah whoever you are, I salute you for this posting. :-) my first reaction to the thread's title was! oh god no not again not the same theme still going on after all these years......!! but that kind of reaction doesn't help anyone. what you write adresses the subject of the *spirit* in which Reiki and *any other* form of healing work is supposed to be done and that is respect and freedom for the recipient, humility and non interference and all the other words we can think of. classically this is called "wei wu wei" in the reiki world which has taken this chinese term from daoism which is related to this kind of work, or "doing by not-doing", "action through non-action" etc. it's something you learn to understand by and by if you are really seeking to learn and if you have teachers who are still *learners*. in the end it doesn't matter whether one prays or does hands on, massage, shiatsu, medicine, singing, gongs, meditation, or simply a well cooked meal. it all is fueled by love. and love is never pushy. the moment we say: "you are sick and you MUST be made *better*" we are off track. of course some of us have learned to manipulate energies and to remove symptoms sometimes at a high cost to ourselves or indeed the client. but that isn't the main object of what reikipractioners or any other sort of therapeutical worker is supposed to do. we are also supposed to help a person to further body AND soul for themselves. sometimes this means taking away pain and dis-ease, sometimes this means accepting a state of illness and working together to heal the circumstances. and the client must always ask. this is vital. they must be given a chance to decide for life! if we go into the archives we will find umpteen postings of what about people in a coma or children etc. we are not talking about this here! THAT is a circumstance where we must make decisions ourselves. that's where we have to take on responsibility for better or worse. we will be held accountable for that somewhere sometime. what we are talking about here is the COURAGE to face the possibility of someone saying "no" and thereby depriving us of the goodygoody madonna go holy feeling. hah! that's tough innit? we live in a time or communication. one of the first rules that were taught about reiki (in my day, I am a relict after all) was ASK! and we do NOT ask our "higher slef" we ask the person. anythng else is pride. besides anyone who can really commune with his/her higher self has other methods at his disposal than basic Reiki. so.... anyway we have the five precepts: the fifth line clearly says: "hito ni shinsetsu ni" translated as be kind to all beings. this implies respect and freedom too. so much for the asking part. about harm: reiki cannot cause harm per se ipso, because it is only a method. but people can cause harm through more or less clear intentions. like knives really, you can peel potatoes, whittle jewlery and cut fingers. it's neutral. I have experienced this both ways. I have had people really unbalancing my energies albeit with the "best" of intentions and causing me much trouble and grief in doing so. this was when I said "no" because I had reasons to go through what I was going through. and the pushy ersatz love added to the load I was carrying. The other thing was when I was clearly told to help but not heal by people who knew more than I do. I overreached myself and paid a high price. I don't want to go into that now. but I learned a lesson I wouldn't wish on anyone. really we have to learn to be patient and simple too. It is simple to ask. going oooooh and looking like a soggy saint and "going off on the esottric" as I like to call it, that isn't Reiki that's just plian energybusybodiness. so Reiki can't cause harm but it sure can cause havoc, lol you still listening to me??? tch, get a life! ###### From: Stuart Vernon Newsgroups: alt.healing.reiki Subject: Re: Can Reiki Cause Harm? Date: Mon, 07 Mar 2005 22:29:05 +0000 Lines: 7 Message-ID: <3942tvF5vfld3U1@individual.net> References: <42291176.1396106@news.east.earthlink.net> <71a9b2a820f898ff27336463f5c534a2@localhost.talkaboutrecovery.com> <38u7r7F5r4l5hU1@uni-berlin.de> <38ujk8F5p4hcoU1@uni-berlin.de> <2fbb8ec82e7a29443d482ae56a6b9697@localhost.talkaboutrecovery.com> <38vs99F5s2vo4U1@uni-berlin.de> <3912abF5u4kvjU1@individual.net> <637b85957550b0dee390be0d50a7e33c@localhost.talkaboutrecovery.com> <014ac0e911dac2c57c4f218dc5ccdfbb@localhost.talkaboutrecovery.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Trace: individual.net GXpk77tjpJObHlfA7RYpiw/bjSM+H3TevRAnDpce6C3pKuRFE= User-Agent: Mozilla Thunderbird 0.9 (Windows/20041103) X-Accept-Language: en-us, en In-Reply-To: Path: nightfall.franklin.ch!news1.ethz.ch!news-zh.switch.ch!switch.ch!solnet.ch!solnet.ch!fu-berlin.de!uni-berlin.de!individual.net!not-for-mail Xref: nightfall.franklin.ch alt.healing.reiki:23201 Gabriel wrote: > you still listening to me??? tch, get a life! Heh Gabes ... your hypnotic consonatants are irresistable .. ;) Stuart ###### From: Stuart Vernon Newsgroups: alt.healing.reiki Subject: Re: Can Reiki Cause Harm? Date: Mon, 07 Mar 2005 22:29:49 +0000 Lines: 5 Message-ID: <3942vaF5vfld3U2@individual.net> References: <42291176.1396106@news.east.earthlink.net> <71a9b2a820f898ff27336463f5c534a2@localhost.talkaboutrecovery.com> <38u7r7F5r4l5hU1@uni-berlin.de> <38ujk8F5p4hcoU1@uni-berlin.de> <2fbb8ec82e7a29443d482ae56a6b9697@localhost.talkaboutrecovery.com> <38vs99F5s2vo4U1@uni-berlin.de> <3912abF5u4kvjU1@individual.net> <637b85957550b0dee390be0d50a7e33c@localhost.talkaboutrecovery.com> <014ac0e911dac2c57c4f218dc5ccdfbb@localhost.talkaboutrecovery.com> <3942tvF5vfld3U1@individual.net> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Trace: individual.net 95ezfs+PLm/egbKn8oGobQztQsEI0DF3+u6POhvLoh9GOwuOw= User-Agent: Mozilla Thunderbird 0.9 (Windows/20041103) X-Accept-Language: en-us, en In-Reply-To: <3942tvF5vfld3U1@individual.net> Path: nightfall.franklin.ch!news1.ethz.ch!news-zh.switch.ch!irazu.switch.ch!switch.ch!newsmi-eu.news.garr.it!NewsITBone-GARR!fu-berlin.de!uni-berlin.de!individual.net!not-for-mail Xref: nightfall.franklin.ch alt.healing.reiki:23202 consonants, even ... Stuart ###### Message-ID: <8ZOGVUVRbNLCFwcs@blueyonder.co.uk> From: Judy Newsgroups: alt.healing.reiki Subject: Re: Can Reiki Cause Harm? References: <42291176.1396106@news.east.earthlink.net> <71a9b2a820f898ff27336463f5c534a2@localhost.talkaboutrecovery.com> <38u7r7F5r4l5hU1@uni-berlin.de> <38ujk8F5p4hcoU1@uni-berlin.de> <2fbb8ec82e7a29443d482ae56a6b9697@localhost.talkaboutrecovery.com> <38vs99F5s2vo4U1@uni-berlin.de> <3912abF5u4kvjU1@individual.net> <637b85957550b0dee390be0d50a7e33c@localhost.talkaboutrecovery.com> <393td8F5u8a4qU1@uni-berlin.de> <15aEdBRDXMLCFwPE@blueyonder.co.uk> <393vdaF5t7mo5U1@uni-berlin.de> Lines: 33 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain;charset=us-ascii;format=flowed User-Agent: Turnpike/6.02-U () Date: Mon, 07 Mar 2005 22:36:26 GMT NNTP-Posting-Host: 82.35.153.131 X-Trace: fe3.news.blueyonder.co.uk 1110234986 82.35.153.131 (Mon, 07 Mar 2005 22:36:26 GMT) NNTP-Posting-Date: Mon, 07 Mar 2005 22:36:26 GMT Path: nightfall.franklin.ch!news1.ethz.ch!news-zh.switch.ch!switch.ch!news.ip-plus.net!newsfeed.ip-plus.net!news.tesion.net!news.belwue.de!feed.news.tiscali.de!newsfeed.freenet.de!216.196.110.149.MISMATCH!border2.nntp.ams.giganews.com!nntp.giganews.com!pe2.news.blueyonder.co.uk!blueyonder!pe1.news.blueyonder.co.uk!blueyonder!fe3.news.blueyonder.co.uk.POSTED!53ab2750!not-for-mail Xref: nightfall.franklin.ch alt.healing.reiki:23203 In message <393vdaF5t7mo5U1@uni-berlin.de>, Theo writes > > >Judy wrote: > > >> No, Theo. You and I clearly have different definitions of "harm". >> I couldn't wish to write better on this subject than telulah's post >> in this thread. That says it all ... > > I think each of us in his mind talks of *harm* under his personal > perspective.. so I guess we are just loosing time.. > harm can be done in houdreds of ways .. as at UN conference FIRST > of all we should define the limits and the significance of the world > Harm > or we are just stirring air No. We're not stirring air. As I said, I am in complete agreement with telulah's point of view that "this whole subject is a matter of respect and humility. Do I respect the rights, privacy, and wishes of another concerning themselves, or do I assert my idea of what they need or what I think may be necessary to alleviate my perception of their suffering. No is no, it doesn't matter if it is said softly or with a shout. My mother always said 'put yourself in their position and tell me how you would feel'. When I do that I understand that I would feel disrespected, violated, that being the case I have no option but to respect their wishes. " I think that causing someone to feel disrespected & violated is harmful. Is all :) -- Judy ###### From: "telulah" Newsgroups: alt.healing.reiki Subject: Re: Can Reiki Cause Harm? Date: Mon, 07 Mar 2005 17:37:04 -0500 Organization: www.talkaboutrecovery.com Message-ID: <375d1d7f18a30a0aa63fa2dbb4b30d4b@localhost.talkaboutrecovery.com> X-Newsreader: www.talkaboutrecovery.com Content-Type: text/plain; References: <42291176.1396106@news.east.earthlink.net> <71a9b2a820f898ff27336463f5c534a2@localhost.talkaboutrecovery.com> <38u7r7F5r4l5hU1@uni-berlin.de> <38ujk8F5p4hcoU1@uni-berlin.de> <2fbb8ec82e7a29443d482ae56a6b9697@localhost.talkaboutrecovery.com> <38vs99F5s2vo4U1@uni-berlin.de> <3912abF5u4kvjU1@individual.net> <637b85957550b0dee390be0d50a7e33c@localhost.talkaboutrecovery.com> <014ac0e911dac2c57c4f218dc5ccdfbb@localhost.talkaboutrecovery.com> X-Complaints-To: abuse@supernews.com Lines: 6 Path: nightfall.franklin.ch!news1.ethz.ch!news-zh.switch.ch!switch.ch!news.hispeed.ch!news-out.cwix.com!newsfeed.cwix.com!news.xnet.com!nntp-out.monmouth.com!newspeer.monmouth.com!newshosting.com!nx02.iad01.newshosting.com!diablo.voicenet.com!tdsnet-transit!newspeer.tds.net!sn-xit-02!sn-xit-01!sn-xit-06!sn-post-01!supernews.com!corp.supernews.com!not-for-mail Xref: nightfall.franklin.ch alt.healing.reiki:23204 Thank you all for your posts and thoughts. blessings telulah ###### Message-ID: From: Judy Newsgroups: alt.healing.reiki Subject: Re: Can Reiki Cause Harm? References: <42291176.1396106@news.east.earthlink.net> <71a9b2a820f898ff27336463f5c534a2@localhost.talkaboutrecovery.com> <38u7r7F5r4l5hU1@uni-berlin.de> <38ujk8F5p4hcoU1@uni-berlin.de> <2fbb8ec82e7a29443d482ae56a6b9697@localhost.talkaboutrecovery.com> <38vs99F5s2vo4U1@uni-berlin.de> <3912abF5u4kvjU1@individual.net> <637b85957550b0dee390be0d50a7e33c@localhost.talkaboutrecovery.com> <$Z0G1GS5sMLCFwtZ@blueyonder.co.uk> <3941mfF5tpq20U1@individual.net> Lines: 13 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain;charset=us-ascii;format=flowed User-Agent: Turnpike/6.02-U () Date: Tue, 08 Mar 2005 00:55:39 GMT NNTP-Posting-Host: 82.35.153.131 X-Trace: fe3.news.blueyonder.co.uk 1110243339 82.35.153.131 (Tue, 08 Mar 2005 00:55:39 GMT) NNTP-Posting-Date: Tue, 08 Mar 2005 00:55:39 GMT Path: nightfall.franklin.ch!news1.ethz.ch!news-zh.switch.ch!irazu.switch.ch!switch.ch!news.belwue.de!news.tu-darmstadt.de!newsfeed.freenet.de!216.196.110.149.MISMATCH!border2.nntp.ams.giganews.com!nntp.giganews.com!pe2.news.blueyonder.co.uk!blueyonder!pe1.news.blueyonder.co.uk!blueyonder!fe3.news.blueyonder.co.uk.POSTED!53ab2750!not-for-mail Xref: nightfall.franklin.ch alt.healing.reiki:23213 In message <3941mfF5tpq20U1@individual.net>, Stuart Vernon writes >Judy wrote: >> Oh no, its nothing to do with age. I walked home from the shops >> the other day ... which was fine until I went out again later & >> discovered that I'd used the car to get there ... > >'Cmon .. that is a 'Senior Moment' if ever there was one .. :) > Yes, but it was a PREMATURELY 'Senior Moment', I'll have you know ... ;) -- Judy ###### X-Trace-PostClient-IP: 68.144.0.219 From: Rich User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows; U; Windows NT 5.1; en-US; rv:1.7.2) Gecko/20040804 Netscape/7.2 (ax) X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 Newsgroups: alt.healing.reiki Subject: Re: Can Reiki Cause Harm? References: <42291176.1396106@news.east.earthlink.net> <71a9b2a820f898ff27336463f5c534a2@localhost.talkaboutrecovery.com> <38u7r7F5r4l5hU1@uni-berlin.de> <38ujk8F5p4hcoU1@uni-berlin.de> <2fbb8ec82e7a29443d482ae56a6b9697@localhost.talkaboutrecovery.com> <38vs99F5s2vo4U1@uni-berlin.de> <3912abF5u4kvjU1@individual.net> <637b85957550b0dee390be0d50a7e33c@localhost.talkaboutrecovery.com> <014ac0e911dac2c57c4f218dc5ccdfbb@localhost.talkaboutrecovery.com> In-Reply-To: <014ac0e911dac2c57c4f218dc5ccdfbb@localhost.talkaboutrecovery.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Lines: 101 Message-ID: Date: Tue, 08 Mar 2005 03:15:18 GMT NNTP-Posting-Host: 24.71.223.147 X-Complaints-To: abuse@shaw.ca X-Trace: pd7tw1no 1110251718 24.71.223.147 (Mon, 07 Mar 2005 20:15:18 MST) NNTP-Posting-Date: Mon, 07 Mar 2005 20:15:18 MST Organization: Shaw Residential Internet Path: nightfall.franklin.ch!news1.ethz.ch!news-zh.switch.ch!irazu.switch.ch!switch.ch!newsfeed00.sul.t-online.de!t-online.de!border2.nntp.dca.giganews.com!border1.nntp.dca.giganews.com!nntp.giganews.com!pd7cy2so!pd7cy1no!shaw.ca!pd7tw1no.POSTED!53ab2750!not-for-mail Xref: nightfall.franklin.ch alt.healing.reiki:23215 Hi telulah, A most excellent response. I would like to propose a bit of a twist, however. For me, NO permission doesn't necessarily mean, NO. It means NO to the person's immediate understanding of what Reiki is. It may require some patience and understanding to see what the NO is directed to. Rather than expound on it my own way and incur the wrath of the AHR Reader's Digest crowd ;-) I'll paste this quote in and claim I myself wasn't being long-winded! Cheers Rich "In 1998 Allan Sweeney was invited to address the first ever large gathering of Japanese Reiki Masters in Tokyo, Japan. Unfortunately, as he was in Egypt with a group of his students, he could not attend personally, but sent the following message to Tokyo. It was read out at the gathering of Japanese Masters and Sensei's, and is a message to all Reiki practitioners and Masters throughout our world. 'Reiki'. Just a word. Yet within that word is so much. It contains Heaven and Earth. Spirituality and materialism. Love and healing. The word 'Reiki' means so much. How can we describe it to others adequately? Would it mean more to them than just a word? Perhaps it depends who we are talking to! For example, in England, if we were talking to a doctor, we would say that no-one knows how Reiki works; but that studies done on chronic patients in doctors' surgeries show that healing can help 72% of the patients that doctors give up on. This study has been repeated with similar results. Most doctors hearing this information are impressed. If we had said anything else, perhaps Reiki would have been just a word. If we were talking with a scientist, we would say that 155 world-wide experiments and studies on healing have been published in two volumes called 'Healing Research'. Of the 155 experiments, 55 were of significant or highly significant value. This percentage of significance is very high. In fact, the percentage success is more than twice what is needed for a medicine to be prescribed or sold in England. Most scientists hearing this information are impressed. If we had said anything else, perhaps Reiki would have been just a word. If we were talking with a priest, we would talk about Reiki's Unconditional Love; the God nature of the energy; how both healer and patient feel loved during and after a Reiki treatment. We would talk about the highest Rei of the Reiki, the energy that may come in as high as 7,200 cycles a second. We would say that if anyone reaches this 7,200 frequency in their energy body, they have a God experience relevant to themselves as an individual. It feels like Unconditional Love. Most priests hearing this information are impressed. If we had said anything else, perhaps Reiki would have been just a word. If we were talking to a Marxist, we would talk about the readily available nature of the energy, and the way it can be used for self-healing. This means that we can help all segments of society. With self-healing, even poor people have a chance to be healed. Most Marxists hearing this information are impressed. If we had said anything else, perhaps Reiki would have been just a word. And so on. Every person we meet has their own belief patterns, their own understanding of the world. This becomes one of the difficult areas to overcome if we wish to expand Reiki alongside the medical professions or any other body of people. Because we cannot hope to help others understand Reiki if we talk about Reiki in a way they do not understand. In England, I have helped Reiki become accepted in the prisons. Initially this was because I talked about Reiki in a way which was acceptable to the Director. I then took part in a pilot scheme which was followed by an offer to be the National Reiki Trainer for all of the prisons in England. I am now teaching Reiki to prisoners for their self-healing, and also to therapists who will work in prisons across our country. If I had said different things to the director at the start, maybe to many prisoners Reiki would still be only a word. Reiki. Just a word. Yet within that word is EVERYTHING. Reiki is curing, helping, healing energy. It is cleaning, cleansing, transforming energy. It is empowering, nurturing, caring energy. It is universal, spiritual, God-like. It is Love. Please offer that Love to everyone. Do not be shy. It is your birthright to be healed. Progress your own soul. Shine the light from within you to lighten the darkness of others. It is your birthright to be able to heal. Let others know about your light in a way they will understand. Help the soul path of others. Do it with that word, Reiki. Unconditionally. Reiki. Just a word. Yet within that word is so much. Seek the deeper meaning of the word. Within the meaning is Truth; a fun life of spirit in flesh; professionalism and respect to medical authority. Within the meaning is enjoying Usui Sensei's Reiki cure. Reiki. So much more than a word." ###### From: gdwill@earthlink.net (Garry Williams) Newsgroups: alt.healing.reiki Subject: Re: Can Reiki Cause Harm? Reply-To: gdwill@earthlink.net Message-ID: <422d2297.3383437@news.east.earthlink.net> References: <42291176.1396106@news.east.earthlink.net> <71a9b2a820f898ff27336463f5c534a2@localhost.talkaboutrecovery.com> <38u7r7F5r4l5hU1@uni-berlin.de> <38ujk8F5p4hcoU1@uni-berlin.de> <2fbb8ec82e7a29443d482ae56a6b9697@localhost.talkaboutrecovery.com> <38vs99F5s2vo4U1@uni-berlin.de> <3912abF5u4kvjU1@individual.net> <637b85957550b0dee390be0d50a7e33c@localhost.talkaboutrecovery.com> <014ac0e911dac2c57c4f218dc5ccdfbb@localhost.talkaboutrecovery.com> X-Newsreader: Forte Free Agent 1.11/32.235 Lines: 96 Date: Tue, 08 Mar 2005 04:03:41 GMT NNTP-Posting-Host: 4.152.153.86 X-Complaints-To: abuse@earthlink.net X-Trace: newsread2.news.atl.earthlink.net 1110254621 4.152.153.86 (Mon, 07 Mar 2005 20:03:41 PST) NNTP-Posting-Date: Mon, 07 Mar 2005 20:03:41 PST Organization: EarthLink Inc. -- http://www.EarthLink.net Path: nightfall.franklin.ch!news1.ethz.ch!news-zh.switch.ch!switch.ch!solnet.ch!solnet.ch!news.glorb.com!border1.nntp.dca.giganews.com!border2.nntp.dca.giganews.com!nntp.giganews.com!elnk-atl-nf1!newsfeed.earthlink.net!stamper.news.atl.earthlink.net!newsread2.news.atl.earthlink.net.POSTED!7510546c!not-for-mail Xref: nightfall.franklin.ch alt.healing.reiki:23217 Alex, perhaps there is some fuzziness in the communication going on here? When one says "doing" or "practicing" Reiki do we mean *only* the act of engaging in manipulating the energy, or do we mean adhering to the practices and principles and teachings of Usui Shiki Ryoho *and*, at the same time, participating in the act of manipulating the energy? Love and Light, Garry On Mon, 07 Mar 2005 16:12:21 -0600, Alex Barna wrote: >Hi telulah, > >telulah wrote: > >> Alex, >> >> Prayer isn't Reiki. > >I'll start by explaining that I born able to *see*, *visualize* >the field, energy or what I grew up calling My Golden Mist. > >I've spent more than 60 years observing that golden mist & how it >can be affected by human thought. > >I discovered 4 years ago that there were people that use that >golden mist as a healing energy & call what they do Reiki. > >As my signature says, > Any information is included for informational > or entertainment purposes only, is based on my > personal experiences & is an expression of my opinion. > >Having said that I could list the many times I've observed people >that didn't know about Reiki & wouldn't believe in it if told >about it, doing the same thing that people doing Reiki do with >the Golden Mist. > >You are correct prayer isn't Reiki, prayer is just a different >way of doing the same thing. > > > >> It is my feeling that permission is essential to the practice >> of Reiki. > >That is your belief. It is not my belief or my experience. > >> >> When someone says they don't want us to send or they refuse >> hands on work then we need to respect their decision. > >Then how can Reiki be sent to an unborn child or an infant or a >unconscious person or an animal or given to a plant? They can't >give permission. How can someone that has never heard of Reiki or >have any idea what it is say they don't want it. Did you send >Reiki to the tsunami survivors? Did you ask each of them for >permission? > >> >> Karma accrues through action or lack of action. All the >> choices you make accumulate karma. I don't see karma as a >> negative, or a positive, but rather a neutral. It doesn't >> punish or reward. Like nature, it just is. When we send >> without permission we are saying we know what is best and >> whether we realize it or not we have some measure of >> responsibility for our action. We accrue karma. > >IMO, Karma is a human invention developed to prevent people from >taking part in antisocial activities. > >> >> blessings telulah > >All that & you sign with unasked for blessings. >Isn't that a contradiction? ^_^ > >GramPaHugs, >Alex, > >-- > > Any information is included for informational > or entertainment purposes only, is based on my > personal experiences & is an expression of my opinion. > No endorsement is implied or intended. > >**************************************************** >* Love radiating from 45.10n x 93.30w M/SP Mn >* AOL Click >* AOL Click >**************************************************** ###### From: Alex Barna User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows; U; Windows NT 5.1; en-US; rv:1.7.5) Gecko/20041217 X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 Newsgroups: alt.healing.reiki Subject: Re: Can Reiki Cause Harm? References: <42291176.1396106@news.east.earthlink.net> <71a9b2a820f898ff27336463f5c534a2@localhost.talkaboutrecovery.com> <38u7r7F5r4l5hU1@uni-berlin.de> <38ujk8F5p4hcoU1@uni-berlin.de> <2fbb8ec82e7a29443d482ae56a6b9697@localhost.talkaboutrecovery.com> <38vs99F5s2vo4U1@uni-berlin.de> <3912abF5u4kvjU1@individual.net> <637b85957550b0dee390be0d50a7e33c@localhost.talkaboutrecovery.com> <014ac0e911dac2c57c4f218dc5ccdfbb@localhost.talkaboutrecovery.com> <422d2297.3383437@news.east.earthlink.net> In-Reply-To: <422d2297.3383437@news.east.earthlink.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Lines: 39 Message-ID: Date: Tue, 08 Mar 2005 04:28:13 GMT NNTP-Posting-Host: 70.92.138.227 X-Complaints-To: abuse@rr.com X-Trace: twister.rdc-kc.rr.com 1110256093 70.92.138.227 (Mon, 07 Mar 2005 22:28:13 CST) NNTP-Posting-Date: Mon, 07 Mar 2005 22:28:13 CST Organization: RoadRunner Path: nightfall.franklin.ch!news1.ethz.ch!news-zh.switch.ch!irazu.switch.ch!switch.ch!news.maxwell.syr.edu!elnk-pas-nf1!newsfeed.earthlink.net!cyclone.socal.rr.com!cyclone2.kc.rr.com!news2.kc.rr.com!twister.rdc-kc.rr.com.POSTED!53ab2750!not-for-mail Xref: nightfall.franklin.ch alt.healing.reiki:23220 Hi Garry, Garry Williams wrote: > Alex, perhaps there is some fuzziness in the communication going on > here? When one says "doing" or "practicing" Reiki do we mean *only* > the act of engaging in manipulating the energy, We have discussed before the many different versions of the practice of Reiki so when I say "practicing" Reiki I mean *only* what is thought of as energy manipulation. > or do we mean adhering > to the practices and principles and teachings of Usui Shiki Ryoho > *and*, at the same time, participating in the act of manipulating the > energy? I understood what telulah said to mean practicing Usui Reiki as a life style or theology. > Love and Light, > Garry :) GramPaHugs, Alex, -- Any information is included for informational or entertainment purposes only, is based on my personal experiences & is an expression of my opinion. **************************************************** * Love radiating from 45.10n x 93.30w M/SP Mn * AOL Click * AOL Click **************************************************** ###### From: "telulah" Newsgroups: alt.healing.reiki Subject: Re: Can Reiki Cause Harm? Date: Mon, 07 Mar 2005 23:34:41 -0500 Organization: www.talkaboutrecovery.com Message-ID: <20d3e6e025e4faa65442b33be751aeb8@localhost.talkaboutrecovery.com> X-Newsreader: www.talkaboutrecovery.com Content-Type: text/plain; References: <42291176.1396106@news.east.earthlink.net> <71a9b2a820f898ff27336463f5c534a2@localhost.talkaboutrecovery.com> <38u7r7F5r4l5hU1@uni-berlin.de> <38ujk8F5p4hcoU1@uni-berlin.de> <2fbb8ec82e7a29443d482ae56a6b9697@localhost.talkaboutrecovery.com> <38vs99F5s2vo4U1@uni-berlin.de> <3912abF5u4kvjU1@individual.net> <637b85957550b0dee390be0d50a7e33c@localhost.talkaboutrecovery.com> <014ac0e911dac2c57c4f218dc5ccdfbb@localhost.talkaboutrecovery.com> X-Complaints-To: abuse@supernews.com Lines: 24 Path: nightfall.franklin.ch!news1.ethz.ch!news-zh.switch.ch!switch.ch!solnet.ch!solnet.ch!news.glorb.com!news-feed01.roc.ny.frontiernet.net!nntp.frontiernet.net!tdsnet-transit!newspeer.tds.net!sn-xit-03!sn-xit-08!sn-post-01!supernews.com!corp.supernews.com!not-for-mail Xref: nightfall.franklin.ch alt.healing.reiki:23219 Rich, and mine as well. :-) There is sometimes a challenge in finding the best way to explain Reiki to someone in terms that they can identify with. One of our jobs is to try to find those terms and let the person know that we are always available, they will give their permission if and when they are ready. namaste telulah ###### X-Trace-PostClient-IP: 68.144.0.219 From: Rich User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows; U; Windows NT 5.1; en-US; rv:1.7.2) Gecko/20040804 Netscape/7.2 (ax) X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 Newsgroups: alt.healing.reiki Subject: Re: Can Reiki Cause Harm? References: <42291176.1396106@news.east.earthlink.net> <71a9b2a820f898ff27336463f5c534a2@localhost.talkaboutrecovery.com> <38u7r7F5r4l5hU1@uni-berlin.de> <38ujk8F5p4hcoU1@uni-berlin.de> <2fbb8ec82e7a29443d482ae56a6b9697@localhost.talkaboutrecovery.com> <38vs99F5s2vo4U1@uni-berlin.de> <3912abF5u4kvjU1@individual.net> <637b85957550b0dee390be0d50a7e33c@localhost.talkaboutrecovery.com> <014ac0e911dac2c57c4f218dc5ccdfbb@localhost.talkaboutrecovery.com> <20d3e6e025e4faa65442b33be751aeb8@localhost.talkaboutrecovery.com> In-Reply-To: <20d3e6e025e4faa65442b33be751aeb8@localhost.talkaboutrecovery.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Lines: 29 Message-ID: Date: Tue, 08 Mar 2005 04:42:23 GMT NNTP-Posting-Host: 24.71.223.147 X-Complaints-To: abuse@shaw.ca X-Trace: pd7tw2no 1110256943 24.71.223.147 (Mon, 07 Mar 2005 21:42:23 MST) NNTP-Posting-Date: Mon, 07 Mar 2005 21:42:23 MST Organization: Shaw Residential Internet Path: nightfall.franklin.ch!news1.ethz.ch!news-zh.switch.ch!switch.ch!solnet.ch!solnet.ch!news.glorb.com!border1.nntp.dca.giganews.com!nntp.giganews.com!pd7cy2so!shaw.ca!pd7tw2no.POSTED!53ab2750!not-for-mail Xref: nightfall.franklin.ch alt.healing.reiki:23221 Exactly, as long as they say no to Reiki as what it is and not witchcraft or something else. Cheers Rich telulah wrote: > Rich, > > and mine as well. > :-) > There is sometimes a challenge in finding the best way to explain > Reiki to > someone in terms that they can identify with. One of our jobs is to try to > find those terms and let the person know that we are always available, > they will give their permission if and when they are ready. > namaste > telulah > ###### From: "telulah" Newsgroups: alt.healing.reiki Subject: Re: Can Reiki Cause Harm? Date: Tue, 08 Mar 2005 00:47:18 -0500 Organization: www.talkaboutrecovery.com Message-ID: <573070681ed4a833fd286020a8b7493c@localhost.talkaboutrecovery.com> X-Newsreader: www.talkaboutrecovery.com Content-Type: text/plain; References: <42291176.1396106@news.east.earthlink.net> <71a9b2a820f898ff27336463f5c534a2@localhost.talkaboutrecovery.com> <38u7r7F5r4l5hU1@uni-berlin.de> <38ujk8F5p4hcoU1@uni-berlin.de> <2fbb8ec82e7a29443d482ae56a6b9697@localhost.talkaboutrecovery.com> <38vs99F5s2vo4U1@uni-berlin.de> <3912abF5u4kvjU1@individual.net> <637b85957550b0dee390be0d50a7e33c@localhost.talkaboutrecovery.com> <014ac0e911dac2c57c4f218dc5ccdfbb@localhost.talkaboutrecovery.com> X-Complaints-To: abuse@supernews.com Lines: 53 Path: nightfall.franklin.ch!news1.ethz.ch!news-zh.switch.ch!switch.ch!solnet.ch!solnet.ch!news.glorb.com!sn-xit-04!sn-xit-08!sn-post-01!supernews.com!corp.supernews.com!not-for-mail Xref: nightfall.franklin.ch alt.healing.reiki:23223 Alex, Maybe I should clarify. The habit of referring to ULE as Reiki does sometimes create confusion. When I speak of Reiki I am not talking about the energy itself I am speaking of the system of energy practices. It isn't a theology and I don't practice it as such. I do try to incorporate the spirit of the principles into my life. You said: Then how can Reiki be sent to an unborn child or an infant or a unconscious person or an animal or given to a plant? They can't give permission. My post wasn't concerning those who were incapable of consent. Unborn or otherwise, I don't send or lay on hands without the permission of the parent. Animals? You might be surprised at how many do 'ask' if you are familiar with the habits of the species. You said: How can someone that has never heard of Reiki or have any idea what it is say they don't want it. I would ask you, how can they say they do? Without consent I don't send. Simple. You said: > blessings telulah All that & you sign with unasked for blessings. Isn't that a contradiction? ^_^ I beg your forgiveness, namaste telulah ###### From: Theo Newsgroups: alt.healing.reiki Subject: Re: Can Reiki Cause Harm? Date: Tue, 08 Mar 2005 07:35:49 +0100 Lines: 32 Message-ID: <394vd9F5ll879U1@uni-berlin.de> References: <42291176.1396106@news.east.earthlink.net> <71a9b2a820f898ff27336463f5c534a2@localhost.talkaboutrecovery.com> <38u7r7F5r4l5hU1@uni-berlin.de> <38ujk8F5p4hcoU1@uni-berlin.de> <2fbb8ec82e7a29443d482ae56a6b9697@localhost.talkaboutrecovery.com> <38vs99F5s2vo4U1@uni-berlin.de> <3912abF5u4kvjU1@individual.net> <637b85957550b0dee390be0d50a7e33c@localhost.talkaboutrecovery.com> <393td8F5u8a4qU1@uni-berlin.de> <15aEdBRDXMLCFwPE@blueyonder.co.uk> <393vdaF5t7mo5U1@uni-berlin.de> <8ZOGVUVRbNLCFwcs@blueyonder.co.uk> Reply-To: byjoke@ch.inter.net Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Trace: news.uni-berlin.de YLjwsfuSnwAvcOev7lXRUwBBcmGeLtm8yk9NIl/fd9N6Exbyg1BorQ User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows; U; Windows NT 5.1; en-US; rv:1.4) Gecko/20030624 Netscape/7.1 (ax) X-Accept-Language: en, fr, it In-Reply-To: <8ZOGVUVRbNLCFwcs@blueyonder.co.uk> Path: nightfall.franklin.ch!news1.ethz.ch!news-zh.switch.ch!switch.ch!newscore.univie.ac.at!fu-berlin.de!uni-berlin.de!not-for-mail Xref: nightfall.franklin.ch alt.healing.reiki:23224 Judy wrote: > No. We're not stirring air. As I said, I am in complete agreement > with telulah's point of view that "this whole subject is a matter of > respect and humility. Do I respect the rights, privacy, and wishes > of another concerning themselves, or do I assert my idea of what > they need or what I think may be necessary to alleviate my > perception of their suffering. No is no, it doesn't matter if it is > said softly or with a shout. My mother always said 'put yourself in > their position and tell me how you would feel'. When I do that I > understand that I would feel disrespected, violated, that being the > case I have no option but to respect their wishes. " > I think that causing someone to feel disrespected & violated is > harmful. Is all :) I do not see how I can be disrespectful or violte someone by sending reiki or just thinking *God Help the person*teh latter is a nenediction if I silently send Reki is an action.. it is stll done to help the person so I do not see teh point In aZen session they told the story of two people fishing on a boat one fell in the water and drawned the others did not help him as did not know it the *bount to die* wanted to be helped and just had to follow his karma .. Theo778@hotmail.com MSN messanger / or ICQ 25 666 169 4 Private Mail : Theo@ch.inter.net Just for today... don't worry .....be happy ###### Message-ID: From: Judy Newsgroups: alt.healing.reiki Subject: Re: Can Reiki Cause Harm? References: <42291176.1396106@news.east.earthlink.net> <71a9b2a820f898ff27336463f5c534a2@localhost.talkaboutrecovery.com> <38u7r7F5r4l5hU1@uni-berlin.de> <38ujk8F5p4hcoU1@uni-berlin.de> <2fbb8ec82e7a29443d482ae56a6b9697@localhost.talkaboutrecovery.com> <38vs99F5s2vo4U1@uni-berlin.de> <3912abF5u4kvjU1@individual.net> <637b85957550b0dee390be0d50a7e33c@localhost.talkaboutrecovery.com> <393td8F5u8a4qU1@uni-berlin.de> <15aEdBRDXMLCFwPE@blueyonder.co.uk> <393vdaF5t7mo5U1@uni-berlin.de> <8ZOGVUVRbNLCFwcs@blueyonder.co.uk> <394vd9F5ll879U1@uni-berlin.de> Lines: 21 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain;charset=us-ascii;format=flowed User-Agent: Turnpike/6.02-U () Date: Tue, 08 Mar 2005 08:50:44 GMT NNTP-Posting-Host: 82.35.153.131 X-Trace: fe3.news.blueyonder.co.uk 1110271844 82.35.153.131 (Tue, 08 Mar 2005 08:50:44 GMT) NNTP-Posting-Date: Tue, 08 Mar 2005 08:50:44 GMT Path: nightfall.franklin.ch!news1.ethz.ch!news-zh.switch.ch!switch.ch!news.ip-plus.net!newsfeed.ip-plus.net!news.tesion.net!news.belwue.de!news.n-ix.net!npeer.de.kpn-eurorings.net!border2.nntp.ams.giganews.com!border1.nntp.ams.giganews.com!nntp.giganews.com!pe2.news.blueyonder.co.uk!blueyonder!pe1.news.blueyonder.co.uk!blueyonder!fe3.news.blueyonder.co.uk.POSTED!53ab2750!not-for-mail Xref: nightfall.franklin.ch alt.healing.reiki:23235 In message <394vd9F5ll879U1@uni-berlin.de>, Theo writes > I do not see how I can be disrespectful or violte someone by > sending reiki or just thinking *God Help the person*teh latter is a > nenediction if I silently send Reki is an action.. it is stll done > to help the person so I do not see teh point Tee hee The *point*, dear Theo ... is that they might not actually WANT you to help them :) What you think of as "help" may actually be experienced by them as hindrance. The respect comes in when we are able to say - ok, I don't share your feelings on this, my understanding isn't at a level where I can see why you have these feelings, but I DO accept that you have every right to them, and I will not dismiss them or act in such a way as to imply that I know better than you. It's that simple. -- Judy ###### From: Theo Newsgroups: alt.healing.reiki Subject: Re: Can Reiki Cause Harm? Date: Tue, 08 Mar 2005 12:23:11 +0100 Lines: 61 Message-ID: <395g81F5v7q4nU1@uni-berlin.de> References: <42291176.1396106@news.east.earthlink.net> <71a9b2a820f898ff27336463f5c534a2@localhost.talkaboutrecovery.com> <38u7r7F5r4l5hU1@uni-berlin.de> <38ujk8F5p4hcoU1@uni-berlin.de> <2fbb8ec82e7a29443d482ae56a6b9697@localhost.talkaboutrecovery.com> <38vs99F5s2vo4U1@uni-berlin.de> <3912abF5u4kvjU1@individual.net> <637b85957550b0dee390be0d50a7e33c@localhost.talkaboutrecovery.com> <393td8F5u8a4qU1@uni-berlin.de> <15aEdBRDXMLCFwPE@blueyonder.co.uk> <393vdaF5t7mo5U1@uni-berlin.de> <8ZOGVUVRbNLCFwcs@blueyonder.co.uk> <394vd9F5ll879U1@uni-berlin.de> Reply-To: byjoke@ch.inter.net Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Trace: news.uni-berlin.de 1fz5fGro0G7Rmv6DtV5CtQ8T7M9HCbXJj/Gts1VdIn3T5FBKMy9JRj User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows; U; Windows NT 5.1; en-US; rv:1.4) Gecko/20030624 Netscape/7.1 (ax) X-Accept-Language: en, fr, it In-Reply-To: Path: nightfall.franklin.ch!news1.ethz.ch!news-zh.switch.ch!switch.ch!solnet.ch!solnet.ch!fu-berlin.de!uni-berlin.de!not-for-mail Xref: nightfall.franklin.ch alt.healing.reiki:23240 Judy wrote: > In message <394vd9F5ll879U1@uni-berlin.de>, Theo > writes > >> I do not see how I can be disrespectful or violte someone by >> sending reiki or just thinking *God Help the person*teh latter is a >> nenediction if I silently send Reki is an action.. it is stll done >> to help the person so I do not see teh point > Tee hee > The *point*, dear Theo ... is that they might not actually WANT you > to help them :) What you think of as "help" may actually be > experienced by them as hindrance. The respect comes in when we are > able to say - ok, I don't share your feelings on this, my > understanding isn't at a level where I can see why you have these > feelings, but I DO accept that you have every right to them, and I > will not dismiss them or act in such a way as to imply that I know > better than you. > It's that simple. I do not really agree ..as teh situation is more complex my son had a problem with a Lunar scaffoid bone.. hospital and others family doctors said it was nothing to do .. I knew that SOMETHING could be done and as was my son I fireflamed during 2 weeks until he accepted to be cured by a persona that could help him .. and it was a good fireflaming If it was another person that had the same problem i should have said : go and see mr So & so he can help you and F**** with the person if will follow the advice or not , I did my job for helping I had to stop there continuing about my son he did not want Reki idiotic youth ,stubbornness or shyness (24yo).. does not matter .. the situation was far too much important for him to stay sitting and wait so I sent reiki and maybe it also worked joined with teh other " shamanic" therapy with this sore bone in the right hand and he was handicapped for military service writing and driving and more ... and might have been all life long problem, I would not send reiki to my son to help him in an exam or get a job unless he badly needs an help for different reasons or he asks .. and I do not think I was wrong to overtake his resistence to my offer for Reiki in the specific case of his hand namaste Theo778@hotmail.com MSN messanger / or ICQ 25 666 169 4 Private Mail : Theo@ch.inter.net Just for today... don't worry .....be happy ###### From: "aurachristiana" Newsgroups: alt.healing.reiki Subject: Re: Can Reiki Cause Harm? Date: 8 Mar 2005 07:15:22 -0800 Organization: http://groups.google.com Lines: 26 Message-ID: <1110294922.716910.248350@z14g2000cwz.googlegroups.com> References: <42291176.1396106@news.east.earthlink.net> <71a9b2a820f898ff27336463f5c534a2@localhost.talkaboutrecovery.com> <38u7r7F5r4l5hU1@uni-berlin.de> <38ujk8F5p4hcoU1@uni-berlin.de> <2fbb8ec82e7a29443d482ae56a6b9697@localhost.talkaboutrecovery.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: 82.76.163.198 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" X-Trace: posting.google.com 1110294927 15078 127.0.0.1 (8 Mar 2005 15:15:27 GMT) X-Complaints-To: groups-abuse@google.com NNTP-Posting-Date: Tue, 8 Mar 2005 15:15:27 +0000 (UTC) In-Reply-To: <2fbb8ec82e7a29443d482ae56a6b9697@localhost.talkaboutrecovery.com> User-Agent: G2/0.2 Complaints-To: groups-abuse@google.com Injection-Info: z14g2000cwz.googlegroups.com; posting-host=82.76.163.198; posting-account=ttf2_Q0AAACTmp7DpF14_SxY-8a3vZVk Path: nightfall.franklin.ch!news1.ethz.ch!news-zh.switch.ch!irazu.switch.ch!switch.ch!news.maxwell.syr.edu!postnews.google.com!z14g2000cwz.googlegroups.com!not-for-mail Xref: nightfall.franklin.ch alt.healing.reiki:23264 Greetings to You all, To introduce myself first - I am Laura Christiana, Reiki channel from Romania. Joined the group not long ago; this is my first posting (I hope it's the right way to do it...) I am watching this 'Reiki and causing harm' thread for a few days now, as it raised quite a storm of thoughts in my ordinary mind (and I thank you all for that)... One of these thoughts seemed to take over at some point though, and I felt I had to share it with you today: 'All that is in my power to do is pray and intend for myself to be aware and walk in this awareness free of any fear or desire of my own, so that I can hear the magic alignment with the desire of the Whole to manifest itself.' Afterwards (after words?) it was peace, love and Light. And there 'I' was, left to find the right words and be filled with the light that makes them... Respect, Laura ###### From: "Garry" Newsgroups: alt.healing.reiki Subject: Re: Can Reiki Cause Harm? 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(and, by the way, welcome!) Love and Light, Garry aurachristiana wrote: > Greetings to You all, > > To introduce myself first - I am Laura Christiana, Reiki channel from > Romania. Joined the group not long ago; this is my first posting (I > hope it's the right way to do it...) > > I am watching this 'Reiki and causing harm' thread for a few days now, > as it raised quite a storm of thoughts in my ordinary mind (and I thank > you all for that)... > > One of these thoughts seemed to take over at some point though, and I > felt I had to share it with you today: > > 'All that is in my power to do is pray and intend for myself to be > aware and walk in this awareness free of any fear or desire of my own, > so that I can hear the magic alignment with the desire of the Whole to > manifest itself.' > > Afterwards (after words?) it was peace, love and Light. > > And there 'I' was, left to find the right words and be filled with the > light that makes them... > > Respect, > Laura ###### From: "Gabriel" Newsgroups: alt.healing.reiki Subject: Re: Can Reiki Cause Harm? Date: Tue, 8 Mar 2005 18:39:48 +0100 Organization: T-Online Lines: 3 Message-ID: References: <42291176.1396106@news.east.earthlink.net> <71a9b2a820f898ff27336463f5c534a2@localhost.talkaboutrecovery.com> <38u7r7F5r4l5hU1@uni-berlin.de> <38ujk8F5p4hcoU1@uni-berlin.de> <2fbb8ec82e7a29443d482ae56a6b9697@localhost.talkaboutrecovery.com> <1110294922.716910.248350@z14g2000cwz.googlegroups.com> Reply-To: "Gabriel" Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Trace: news.t-online.com 1110303490 04 29107 yeJAr5zJzECPyxQ 050308 17:38:10 X-Complaints-To: usenet-abuse@t-online.de X-ID: S1M6-aZageplsUcc5Hg-hnTRGKLr6fDTc3SAgAWv17r+UsIJzhzirU X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.2527 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2527 X-RFC2646: Format=Flowed; Original Path: nightfall.franklin.ch!news1.ethz.ch!news-zh.switch.ch!switch.ch!newscore.univie.ac.at!newsfeed01.sul.t-online.de!newsmm00.sul.t-online.de!t-online.de!news.t-online.com!not-for-mail Xref: nightfall.franklin.ch alt.healing.reiki:23281 Hello Laura! That's beautiful! ###### From: Theo Newsgroups: alt.healing.reiki Subject: Re: Can Reiki Cause Harm? Date: Tue, 08 Mar 2005 19:11:47 +0100 Lines: 9 Message-ID: <396864F5u0gqiU1@uni-berlin.de> References: <42291176.1396106@news.east.earthlink.net> <71a9b2a820f898ff27336463f5c534a2@localhost.talkaboutrecovery.com> <38u7r7F5r4l5hU1@uni-berlin.de> <38ujk8F5p4hcoU1@uni-berlin.de> <2fbb8ec82e7a29443d482ae56a6b9697@localhost.talkaboutrecovery.com> <1110294922.716910.248350@z14g2000cwz.googlegroups.com> Reply-To: byjoke@ch.inter.net Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Trace: news.uni-berlin.de 3VJselWOi1lcfud/JY3TEQEJK3tDqJnsK0UWtqiw+IfOrtEHRpSPMS User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows; U; Windows NT 5.1; en-US; rv:1.4) Gecko/20030624 Netscape/7.1 (ax) X-Accept-Language: en, fr, it In-Reply-To: <1110294922.716910.248350@z14g2000cwz.googlegroups.com> Path: nightfall.franklin.ch!news1.ethz.ch!news-zh.switch.ch!switch.ch!solnet.ch!solnet.ch!fu-berlin.de!uni-berlin.de!not-for-mail Xref: nightfall.franklin.ch alt.healing.reiki:23286 HI Laura welcome Theo Theo778@hotmail.com MSN messanger / or ICQ 25 666 169 4 Private Mail : Theo@ch.inter.net Just for today... don't worry .....be happy ###### From: Stuart Vernon Newsgroups: alt.healing.reiki Subject: Re: Can Reiki Cause Harm? Date: Tue, 08 Mar 2005 19:11:19 +0000 Lines: 10 Message-ID: <396bmmF5s459fU1@individual.net> References: <42291176.1396106@news.east.earthlink.net> <71a9b2a820f898ff27336463f5c534a2@localhost.talkaboutrecovery.com> <38u7r7F5r4l5hU1@uni-berlin.de> <38ujk8F5p4hcoU1@uni-berlin.de> <2fbb8ec82e7a29443d482ae56a6b9697@localhost.talkaboutrecovery.com> <1110294922.716910.248350@z14g2000cwz.googlegroups.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Trace: individual.net C9fNV809hnaoNhhhmGZ+WgZPiOGjC7g8d5FtrDVOmakFY5OaA= User-Agent: Mozilla Thunderbird 0.9 (Windows/20041103) X-Accept-Language: en-us, en In-Reply-To: <1110294922.716910.248350@z14g2000cwz.googlegroups.com> Path: nightfall.franklin.ch!news1.ethz.ch!news-zh.switch.ch!switch.ch!news.ip-plus.net!newsfeed.ip-plus.net!news.tesion.net!news.belwue.de!fu-berlin.de!uni-berlin.de!individual.net!not-for-mail Xref: nightfall.franklin.ch alt.healing.reiki:23291 aurachristiana wrote: > as it raised quite a storm of thoughts in my ordinary mind (and I thank > you all for that)... That's the general idea ... :) Welcome .. Stuart ###### From: Alex Barna Organization: WorldWide_Spam_killers User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows; U; Windows NT 5.1; en-US; rv:1.7.5) Gecko/20041217 X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 Newsgroups: alt.healing.reiki Subject: Re: Can Reiki Cause Harm? References: <42291176.1396106@news.east.earthlink.net> <71a9b2a820f898ff27336463f5c534a2@localhost.talkaboutrecovery.com> <38u7r7F5r4l5hU1@uni-berlin.de> <38ujk8F5p4hcoU1@uni-berlin.de> <2fbb8ec82e7a29443d482ae56a6b9697@localhost.talkaboutrecovery.com> <38vs99F5s2vo4U1@uni-berlin.de> <3912abF5u4kvjU1@individual.net> <637b85957550b0dee390be0d50a7e33c@localhost.talkaboutrecovery.com> <014ac0e911dac2c57c4f218dc5ccdfbb@localhost.talkaboutrecovery.com> <573070681ed4a833fd286020a8b7493c@localhost.talkaboutrecovery.com> In-Reply-To: <573070681ed4a833fd286020a8b7493c@localhost.talkaboutrecovery.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Lines: 91 Message-ID: Date: Tue, 08 Mar 2005 13:43:33 -0600 NNTP-Posting-Host: 70.92.138.227 X-Complaints-To: abuse@rr.com X-Trace: twister.rdc-kc.rr.com 1110310864 70.92.138.227 (Tue, 08 Mar 2005 13:41:04 CST) NNTP-Posting-Date: Tue, 08 Mar 2005 13:41:04 CST Path: nightfall.franklin.ch!news1.ethz.ch!news-zh.switch.ch!switch.ch!solnet.ch!solnet.ch!news.glorb.com!newshub.sdsu.edu!elnk-nf2-pas!elnk-pas-nf1!newsfeed.earthlink.net!cyclone.socal.rr.com!cyclone2.kc.rr.com!news2.kc.rr.com!twister.rdc-kc.rr.com.POSTED!53ab2750!not-for-mail Xref: nightfall.franklin.ch alt.healing.reiki:23302 Hi telulah, telulah wrote: > Alex, > Maybe I should clarify. > The habit of referring to ULE as Reiki does sometimes create > confusion. > When I speak of Reiki I am not talking about the energy itself > I am speaking of the system of energy practices. > It isn't a theology and I don't practice it as such. I do try > to incorporate the spirit of the principles into my life. As I said I use the term "the practice of Reiki" to mean the conscious attempt to use the "energy called Reiki" to facilitate healing. I developed my personal life style through out my life & it is based on my own personal life experiences. I had developed a life style similar to what the Precepts outline long before I had seen them Any differences we have may because I believe when you say 'send' you are talking about using the 'Reiki energy' in a one on one personal situation or as a business. > You said: > Then how can Reiki be sent to an unborn child or an infant or > a unconscious person or an animal or given to a plant? They > can't give permission. > My post wasn't concerning those who were incapable of consent. > Unborn or otherwise, I don't send or lay on hands without the > permission of the parent. Animals? You might be surprised at > how many do 'ask' if you are familiar with the habits of the > species. When I say 'send' I am talking about activating the "energy called Reiki" at a distance, for someone or something I have never met & probably never will, so have no opportunity to ask if it is wanted. I wouldn't be surprised at all, I am owned by 3 cats that make demands all the time & when I visit people that have animals their animals usually demand my attention. ^_^ > You said: > How can someone that has never heard of Reiki or have any idea > what it is say they don't want it. > I would ask you, how can they say they do? Without consent I > don't send. Simple. My ego is not so large that I believe I could do any thing more than what the receivers body is capable of doing with the assistance I give. > You said: > >> blessings telulah > All that & you sign with unasked for blessings. Isn't that a > contradiction? ^_^ > I beg your forgiveness, I hope you wern't offended & noticed the ^_^ which is my version of a smile. > namaste telulah GramPaHugs, Alex, -- Any information is included for informational or entertainment purposes only, is based on my personal experiences & is an expression of my opinion. **************************************************** * Love radiating from 45.10n x 93.30w M/SP Mn * AOL Click * AOL Click **************************************************** ###### From: "ShadowWolf" Newsgroups: alt.healing.reiki References: <42291176.1396106@news.east.earthlink.net> <71a9b2a820f898ff27336463f5c534a2@localhost.talkaboutrecovery.com> <38u7r7F5r4l5hU1@uni-berlin.de> <38ujk8F5p4hcoU1@uni-berlin.de> <2fbb8ec82e7a29443d482ae56a6b9697@localhost.talkaboutrecovery.com> <38vs99F5s2vo4U1@uni-berlin.de> <3912abF5u4kvjU1@individual.net> <637b85957550b0dee390be0d50a7e33c@localhost.talkaboutrecovery.com> <014ac0e911dac2c57c4f218dc5ccdfbb@localhost.talkaboutrecovery.com> <573070681ed4a833fd286020a8b7493c@localhost.talkaboutrecovery.com> Subject: Re: Can Reiki Cause Harm? Lines: 119 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.2180 X-RFC2646: Format=Flowed; Original X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2180 Message-ID: Date: Mon, 14 Mar 2005 18:51:24 GMT NNTP-Posting-Host: 68.205.84.19 X-Complaints-To: abuse@rr.com X-Trace: tornado.tampabay.rr.com 1110826284 68.205.84.19 (Mon, 14 Mar 2005 13:51:24 EST) NNTP-Posting-Date: Mon, 14 Mar 2005 13:51:24 EST Organization: Road Runner High Speed Online http://www.rr.com Path: nightfall.franklin.ch!news1.ethz.ch!news-zh.switch.ch!irazu.switch.ch!switch.ch!newsfeed00.sul.t-online.de!t-online.de!news.glorb.com!cyclone1.gnilink.net!gnilink.net!cyclone.southeast.rr.com!news-post.tampabay.rr.com!tornado.tampabay.rr.com.POSTED!53ab2750!not-for-mail Xref: nightfall.franklin.ch alt.healing.reiki:23644 "telulah" wrote in message news:573070681ed4a833fd286020a8b7493c@localhost.talkaboutrecovery.com... >Animals? You might be surprised at how many do 'ask' if you are familiar >with the habits of the species. Several years ago I had the opportunity to visit a friend in Oklahoma and provide Reiki to animals that were either recuporating from mistreatment (previous owners) or just being cared for at a exocitic Animal park. None of the animals asked me for treatment however no one thought that they would. During the visit i entered a huge enclosure that held two full grown tigers that were hand raised by the owner of the park. That in itself was quite an experience. The tigers rubbed their heads against me, licked me and layed down next to me as I sat with them. One tiger had several bite marks on her right shoulder which I gave hands on Reiki too while in the enclosure. After a time I was standing outside the enclosure just looking at them and the female tiger looked over in my direction, than walked directly over to the area I was standing and placed her right shoulder up aganist the fence near my hand. As far as I am concerned she asked for additional Reiki and was such an unusual happening that the owner and I had a long discussion regarding the incident. So in one case I administered without being asked and than I was asked.. I trust that in both cases the effects were beneficial to all the animals treated that day. ShadowWolf Joseph > Alex, > > Maybe I should clarify. > > The habit of referring to ULE as Reiki does sometimes create confusion. > > When I speak of Reiki I am not talking about the energy itself I am > speaking of the system of energy practices. > > It isn't a theology and I don't practice it as such. I do try to > incorporate the spirit of the principles into my life. > > > > You said: > > Then how can Reiki be sent to an unborn child or an infant or a > unconscious person or an animal or given to a plant? They can't > give permission. > > > My post wasn't concerning those who were incapable of consent. > Unborn or otherwise, I don't send or lay on hands without the permission > of the parent. > Animals? You might be surprised at how many do 'ask' if you are familiar > with the habits of the species. > > You said: > > How can someone that has never heard of Reiki or > have any idea what it is say they don't want it. > > > > I would ask you, how can they say they do? Without consent I don't send. > Simple. > > > You said: > > >> blessings telulah > > All that & you sign with unasked for blessings. > Isn't that a contradiction? ^_^ > > > I beg your forgiveness, > > > namaste > telulah > ###### From: "ShadowWolf" Newsgroups: alt.healing.reiki References: <42291176.1396106@news.east.earthlink.net> <71a9b2a820f898ff27336463f5c534a2@localhost.talkaboutrecovery.com> <38u7r7F5r4l5hU1@uni-berlin.de> <38ujk8F5p4hcoU1@uni-berlin.de> <2fbb8ec82e7a29443d482ae56a6b9697@localhost.talkaboutrecovery.com> <1110294922.716910.248350@z14g2000cwz.googlegroups.com> Subject: Re: Can Reiki Cause Harm? Lines: 35 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.2180 X-RFC2646: Format=Flowed; Original X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2180 Message-ID: <3PlZd.181161$JF2.165529@tornado.tampabay.rr.com> Date: Mon, 14 Mar 2005 19:42:55 GMT NNTP-Posting-Host: 68.205.84.19 X-Complaints-To: abuse@rr.com X-Trace: tornado.tampabay.rr.com 1110829375 68.205.84.19 (Mon, 14 Mar 2005 14:42:55 EST) NNTP-Posting-Date: Mon, 14 Mar 2005 14:42:55 EST Organization: Road Runner High Speed Online http://www.rr.com Path: nightfall.franklin.ch!news1.ethz.ch!news-zh.switch.ch!switch.ch!solnet.ch!solnet.ch!news.glorb.com!cyclone1.gnilink.net!gnilink.net!cyclone.southeast.rr.com!news-post.tampabay.rr.com!tornado.tampabay.rr.com.POSTED!53ab2750!not-for-mail Xref: nightfall.franklin.ch alt.healing.reiki:23645 Beautiful!! ShadowWolf Joseph www.reiki.net "aurachristiana" wrote in message news:1110294922.716910.248350@z14g2000cwz.googlegroups.com... > Greetings to You all, > > To introduce myself first - I am Laura Christiana, Reiki channel from > Romania. Joined the group not long ago; this is my first posting (I > hope it's the right way to do it...) > > I am watching this 'Reiki and causing harm' thread for a few days now, > as it raised quite a storm of thoughts in my ordinary mind (and I thank > you all for that)... > > One of these thoughts seemed to take over at some point though, and I > felt I had to share it with you today: > > 'All that is in my power to do is pray and intend for myself to be > aware and walk in this awareness free of any fear or desire of my own, > so that I can hear the magic alignment with the desire of the Whole to > manifest itself.' > > Afterwards (after words?) it was peace, love and Light. > > And there 'I' was, left to find the right words and be filled with the > light that makes them... > > Respect, > Laura > ###### From: Theo Newsgroups: alt.healing.reiki Subject: Re: Can Reiki Cause Harm? Date: Mon, 14 Mar 2005 21:34:19 +0100 Lines: 135 Message-ID: <39mapiF5uht8dU4@uni-berlin.de> References: <42291176.1396106@news.east.earthlink.net> <71a9b2a820f898ff27336463f5c534a2@localhost.talkaboutrecovery.com> <38u7r7F5r4l5hU1@uni-berlin.de> <38ujk8F5p4hcoU1@uni-berlin.de> <2fbb8ec82e7a29443d482ae56a6b9697@localhost.talkaboutrecovery.com> <38vs99F5s2vo4U1@uni-berlin.de> <3912abF5u4kvjU1@individual.net> <637b85957550b0dee390be0d50a7e33c@localhost.talkaboutrecovery.com> <014ac0e911dac2c57c4f218dc5ccdfbb@localhost.talkaboutrecovery.com> <573070681ed4a833fd286020a8b7493c@localhost.talkaboutrecovery.com> Reply-To: byjoke@ch.inter.net Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Trace: news.uni-berlin.de 6YgGhS8TqkJu0QZwM6AApgs2+rFZNh2tQAJqVp7sia65HbtxZ2hT9p User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows; U; Windows NT 5.1; en-US; rv:1.4) Gecko/20030624 Netscape/7.1 (ax) X-Accept-Language: en, fr, it In-Reply-To: Path: nightfall.franklin.ch!news1.ethz.ch!news-zh.switch.ch!switch.ch!solnet.ch!solnet.ch!fu-berlin.de!uni-berlin.de!not-for-mail Xref: nightfall.franklin.ch alt.healing.reiki:23650 Nice witness.. Shadowolf unfortunaly humas are more beast than animals .. ShadowWolf wrote: > "telulah" wrote in message > news:573070681ed4a833fd286020a8b7493c@localhost.talkaboutrecovery.com... > >>Animals? You might be surprised at how many do 'ask' if you are familiar >>with the habits of the species. > Several years ago I had the opportunity to visit a friend in > Oklahoma and provide Reiki to animals that were either recuporating > from mistreatment (previous owners) or just being cared for at a > exocitic Animal park. > None of the animals asked me for treatment however no one thought > that they would. > During the visit i entered a huge enclosure that held two full grown > tigers that were hand raised by the owner of the park. That in > itself was quite an experience. The tigers rubbed their heads > against me, licked me and layed down next to me as I sat with them. > One tiger had several bite marks on her right shoulder which I gave > hands on Reiki too while in the enclosure. > After a time I was standing outside the enclosure just looking at > them and the female tiger looked over in my direction, than walked > directly over to the area I was standing and placed her right > shoulder up aganist the fence near my hand. > As far as I am concerned she asked for additional Reiki and was such > an unusual happening that the owner and I had a long discussion > regarding the incident. > So in one case I administered without being asked and than I was > asked.. > I trust that in both cases the effects were beneficial to all the > animals treated that day. > ShadowWolf > Joseph > >>Alex, >> >>Maybe I should clarify. >> >>The habit of referring to ULE as Reiki does sometimes create confusion. >> >>When I speak of Reiki I am not talking about the energy itself I am >>speaking of the system of energy practices. >> >>It isn't a theology and I don't practice it as such. I do try to >>incorporate the spirit of the principles into my life. >> >> >> >>You said: >> >>Then how can Reiki be sent to an unborn child or an infant or a >>unconscious person or an animal or given to a plant? They can't >>give permission. >> >> >>My post wasn't concerning those who were incapable of consent. >>Unborn or otherwise, I don't send or lay on hands without the permission >>of the parent. >>Animals? You might be surprised at how many do 'ask' if you are familiar >>with the habits of the species. >> >>You said: >> >>How can someone that has never heard of Reiki or >>have any idea what it is say they don't want it. >> >> >> >>I would ask you, how can they say they do? Without consent I don't send. >>Simple. >> >> >>You said: >> >> >> >>>blessings telulah >> >>All that & you sign with unasked for blessings. >>Isn't that a contradiction? ^_^ >> >> >>I beg your forgiveness, >> >> >>namaste >>telulah >> > -- Theo778@hotmail.com MSN messanger / or ICQ 25 666 169 4 Private Mail : Theo@ch.inter.net Just for today... don't worry .....be happy ###### From: gdwill@earthlink.net (Garry Williams) Newsgroups: alt.healing.reiki Subject: Re: Can Reiki Cause Harm? Reply-To: gdwill@earthlink.net Message-ID: <42449af8.371505@news.east.earthlink.net> References: <42291176.1396106@news.east.earthlink.net> <38uvg7F5rhuo0U1@individual.net> X-Newsreader: Forte Free Agent 1.11/32.235 Lines: 23 Date: Fri, 25 Mar 2005 23:14:27 GMT NNTP-Posting-Host: 4.152.63.24 X-Complaints-To: abuse@earthlink.net X-Trace: newsread2.news.atl.earthlink.net 1111792467 4.152.63.24 (Fri, 25 Mar 2005 15:14:27 PST) NNTP-Posting-Date: Fri, 25 Mar 2005 15:14:27 PST Organization: EarthLink Inc. -- http://www.EarthLink.net Path: nightfall.franklin.ch!news1.ethz.ch!news-zh.switch.ch!irazu.switch.ch!switch.ch!newsfeed00.sul.t-online.de!t-online.de!border2.nntp.dca.giganews.com!nntp.giganews.com!elnk-atl-nf1!newsfeed.earthlink.net!stamper.news.atl.earthlink.net!newsread2.news.atl.earthlink.net.POSTED!7510546c!not-for-mail Xref: nightfall.franklin.ch alt.healing.reiki:23975 On Sun, 06 Mar 2005 00:00:03 +0000, Stuart Vernon wrote: >ShadowWolf wrote: > > > >Good to 'see' you again Wolfie .. as we stir the pot of the past, >the Kraken Wakes? ... ;) > >> The Universal Life Force energy by any name is everywhere and is an intragal >> part of all living things/people therefore it is not harmful. > >But is it homogeneous? Or subject to perturbations either naturally >or by intent, those local perturbations being possibly me or thee .. At the time, this didn't seem to be much of a problem, but I recently read about Olbers paradox, and now I'm not so sure...but parhaps the astronomical parallel doesn't hold? Love, Light and Gravity, Garry ###### From: Theo Newsgroups: alt.healing.reiki Subject: Re: Can Reiki Cause Harm? Date: Sat, 26 Mar 2005 07:44:05 +0100 Lines: 35 Message-ID: <3akel9F6cmfa0U1@uni-berlin.de> References: <42291176.1396106@news.east.earthlink.net> <38uvg7F5rhuo0U1@individual.net> <42449af8.371505@news.east.earthlink.net> Reply-To: byjoke@ch.inter.net Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Trace: news.uni-berlin.de TM5kbLyqCKgVEeWHlpfcxwdOxFDRGG5uZVUGp7ED/39iauPX6/h8+b User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows; U; Windows NT 5.1; en-US; rv:1.4) Gecko/20030624 Netscape/7.1 (ax) X-Accept-Language: en, fr, it In-Reply-To: <42449af8.371505@news.east.earthlink.net> Path: nightfall.franklin.ch!news1.ethz.ch!news-zh.switch.ch!switch.ch!news.hispeed.ch!newsfeed.inode.at!newsfeed.freenet.de!fu-berlin.de!uni-berlin.de!not-for-mail Xref: nightfall.franklin.ch alt.healing.reiki:23980 Garry Williams wrote: > On Sun, 06 Mar 2005 00:00:03 +0000, Stuart Vernon > wrote: > >>ShadowWolf wrote: >> >> >> >>Good to 'see' you again Wolfie .. as we stir the pot of the past, >>the Kraken Wakes? ... ;) >> >> >>> The Universal Life Force energy by any name is everywhere and is >>> an intragal part of all living things/people therefore it is not >>> harmful. >> >>But is it homogeneous? Or subject to perturbations either naturally >>or by intent, those local perturbations being possibly me or thee .. > At the time, this didn't seem to be much of a problem, but I recently > read about Olbers paradox, and now I'm not so sure...but parhaps the > astronomical parallel doesn't hold? > Love, Light and Gravity, > Garry one more reason not to sleep at night ! Theo Just for today... don't worry .....be happy ###### From: Stuart Vernon Newsgroups: alt.healing.reiki Subject: Re: Can Reiki Cause Harm? Date: Sat, 26 Mar 2005 09:21:48 +0000 Lines: 23 Message-ID: <3akntdF6bpkprU1@individual.net> References: <42291176.1396106@news.east.earthlink.net> <38uvg7F5rhuo0U1@individual.net> <42449af8.371505@news.east.earthlink.net> <3akel9F6cmfa0U1@uni-berlin.de> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Trace: individual.net sdeQDEl8x17kHwzmIdrjqwFEKWd+OLZV5JaKkrlcrNJbJ6Cy4= User-Agent: Mozilla Thunderbird 0.9 (Windows/20041103) X-Accept-Language: en-us, en In-Reply-To: <3akel9F6cmfa0U1@uni-berlin.de> Path: nightfall.franklin.ch!news1.ethz.ch!news-zh.switch.ch!switch.ch!solnet.ch!solnet.ch!fu-berlin.de!uni-berlin.de!individual.net!not-for-mail Xref: nightfall.franklin.ch alt.healing.reiki:23984 Theo wrote: > Garry Williams wrote: > >> On Sun, 06 Mar 2005 00:00:03 +0000, Stuart Vernon wrote: >>> But is it homogeneous? Or subject to perturbations either naturally >>> or by intent, those local perturbations being possibly me or thee .. >> >> At the time, this didn't seem to be much of a problem, but I recently >> read about Olbers paradox, and now I'm not so sure...but parhaps the >> astronomical parallel doesn't hold? >> >> Love, Light and Gravity, >> >> Garry > one more reason not to sleep at night ! Wait until you hit Zeno's paradox ... see if you can catch the tortoise before you drop off ... ;) Stuart ###### From: Theo Newsgroups: alt.healing.reiki Subject: Re: Can Reiki Cause Harm? Date: Sat, 26 Mar 2005 11:40:55 +0100 Lines: 20 Message-ID: <3akshbF65h62tU1@uni-berlin.de> References: <42291176.1396106@news.east.earthlink.net> <38uvg7F5rhuo0U1@individual.net> <42449af8.371505@news.east.earthlink.net> <3akel9F6cmfa0U1@uni-berlin.de> <3akntdF6bpkprU1@individual.net> Reply-To: byjoke@ch.inter.net Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Trace: news.uni-berlin.de 0Z1LZYVBdUxKpYT3IfRmSAtMcNmclsxFf7nNZkaWr18r+FXoAxx7Ut User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows; U; Windows NT 5.1; en-US; rv:1.4) Gecko/20030624 Netscape/7.1 (ax) X-Accept-Language: en, fr, it In-Reply-To: <3akntdF6bpkprU1@individual.net> Path: nightfall.franklin.ch!news1.ethz.ch!news-zh.switch.ch!irazu.switch.ch!switch.ch!newsfeed00.sul.t-online.de!newsfeed01.sul.t-online.de!t-online.de!fu-berlin.de!uni-berlin.de!not-for-mail Xref: nightfall.franklin.ch alt.healing.reiki:23986 Stuart Vernon wrote: > Wait until you hit Zeno's paradox ... see if you can catch the tortoise > before you drop off ... ;) > Stuart people are looking for "the hair inside the egg" is said in italian ,the inexistent thing , to explain with little knowledge something too complex.. anyway there must a starting point also with all these burning suns and stars it is normal that one cannot see all the distant stars too much smog in the universe !:-D Theo Just for today... don't worry .....be happy ###### From: gdwill@earthlink.net (Garry Williams) Newsgroups: alt.healing.reiki Subject: Re: Can Reiki Cause Harm? Reply-To: gdwill@earthlink.net Message-ID: <42454847.1145816@news.east.earthlink.net> References: <42291176.1396106@news.east.earthlink.net> <38uvg7F5rhuo0U1@individual.net> <42449af8.371505@news.east.earthlink.net> <3akel9F6cmfa0U1@uni-berlin.de> <3akntdF6bpkprU1@individual.net> <3akshbF65h62tU1@uni-berlin.de> X-Newsreader: Forte Free Agent 1.11/32.235 Lines: 46 Date: Sat, 26 Mar 2005 11:43:07 GMT NNTP-Posting-Host: 4.152.60.106 X-Complaints-To: abuse@earthlink.net X-Trace: newsread3.news.atl.earthlink.net 1111837387 4.152.60.106 (Sat, 26 Mar 2005 03:43:07 PST) NNTP-Posting-Date: Sat, 26 Mar 2005 03:43:07 PST Organization: EarthLink Inc. -- http://www.EarthLink.net Path: nightfall.franklin.ch!news1.ethz.ch!news-zh.switch.ch!switch.ch!solnet.ch!solnet.ch!news.glorb.com!newshub.sdsu.edu!elnk-nf2-pas!newsfeed.earthlink.net!stamper.news.pas.earthlink.net!stamper.news.atl.earthlink.net!newsread3.news.atl.earthlink.net.POSTED!7510546c!not-for-mail Xref: nightfall.franklin.ch alt.healing.reiki:23989 On Sat, 26 Mar 2005 11:40:55 +0100, Theo wrote: > people are looking for "the hair inside the egg" is said in italian >,the inexistent thing , to explain with little knowledge something too Such knowledge is "scarce as hen's teeth". :-) >complex.. anyway there must a starting point also > with all these burning suns and stars it is normal that one cannot >see all the distant stars too much smog in the universe !:-D That's how a lot of people tried to dismiss Olbers paradox, but that didn't really work. At the time (remember, this was pre-Einstein) it was assumed that the universe extended infinitely in all directions and was populated uniformly with stars in all directions, and that light, gravity, etc from the stars reached everywhere instantaneously. Therefore, even if some stars were obscured by dust clouds, the clouds would also be bombarded by radiation from an infinite number of stars and would heat up until they glowed just as brightly as the stars they were obscuring. So again, the night sky should be white, not black. Edgar Allan Poe resolved the paradox by postulating that some stars were so far away that their light had not yet reached the earth. Similarly, Einstein's equations showed that the universe was only so big and that light in a vacuum had a maximum velocity and gravitation was the curvature of space, etc, all of which amounts to the same thing that Poe said. So, all of that said, is UE uniform in all directions throughout the universe? Is some of it "obscured by dust clouds" (and if so, why don't they "heat up" to the "temperature of life" and radiate their own UE)? Alex, since you can see UE, what does the universe look like from a big picture point of view when seen in terms of UE? Some places denser than others? Constantly shifting? Love and Light, Garry > > Theo > Just for today... don't worry .....be happy > ###### From: Stuart Vernon Newsgroups: alt.healing.reiki Subject: Re: Can Reiki Cause Harm? Date: Sat, 26 Mar 2005 22:19:32 +0000 Lines: 11 Message-ID: <3am5flF6d44emU1@individual.net> References: <42291176.1396106@news.east.earthlink.net> <38uvg7F5rhuo0U1@individual.net> <42449af8.371505@news.east.earthlink.net> <3akel9F6cmfa0U1@uni-berlin.de> <3akntdF6bpkprU1@individual.net> <3akshbF65h62tU1@uni-berlin.de> <42454847.1145816@news.east.earthlink.net> <3al7b3F6dvmrqU1@uni-berlin.de> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Trace: individual.net TbddxS5NONCyICl7GGBT8Q3fSovF+cdAEMkDLRIRbT+n9Ig2k= User-Agent: Mozilla Thunderbird 0.9 (Windows/20041103) X-Accept-Language: en-us, en In-Reply-To: Path: nightfall.franklin.ch!news1.ethz.ch!news-zh.switch.ch!switch.ch!solnet.ch!solnet.ch!fu-berlin.de!uni-berlin.de!individual.net!not-for-mail Xref: nightfall.franklin.ch alt.healing.reiki:24026 Alex Barna wrote: > To my vision the density of UE is uniform through out the universe, > though it does vary in intensity & color like the surface of a soap > bubble. Although what is seen in the soap bubble (whilst it might try to maintain its surface tension) is reflected from without into our conscious .. and nothing to do with the soap bubble per se .. Stuart ###### From: Theo Newsgroups: alt.healing.reiki Subject: Re: Can Reiki Cause Harm? Date: Sun, 27 Mar 2005 10:08:02 +0200 Lines: 90 Message-ID: <3an7uhF6a6dpaU1@uni-berlin.de> References: <42291176.1396106@news.east.earthlink.net> <38uvg7F5rhuo0U1@individual.net> <42449af8.371505@news.east.earthlink.net> <3akel9F6cmfa0U1@uni-berlin.de> <3akntdF6bpkprU1@individual.net> <3akshbF65h62tU1@uni-berlin.de> <42454847.1145816@news.east.earthlink.net> <3al7b3F6dvmrqU1@uni-berlin.de> Reply-To: byjoke@ch.inter.net Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Trace: news.uni-berlin.de ZPKsShi3aCVtDT3myzHezAsUrJi+8n2cvJKlpytRqzdlp1RksMxn6C User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows; U; Windows NT 5.1; en-US; rv:1.4) Gecko/20030624 Netscape/7.1 (ax) X-Accept-Language: en, fr, it In-Reply-To: Path: nightfall.franklin.ch!news1.ethz.ch!news-zh.switch.ch!switch.ch!solnet.ch!solnet.ch!fu-berlin.de!uni-berlin.de!not-for-mail Xref: nightfall.franklin.ch alt.healing.reiki:24031 Alex Barna wrote: > Theo wrote: > >> Garry Williams wrote: >> >> >>>> complex.. anyway there must a starting point also with all >>>> these burning suns and stars it is normal that one >>>> cannot see all the distant stars too much smog in the >>>> universe !:-D > The visible universe continues to grow larger as our technology & > our ability to detect distant stars grows. so why don't we forget all what has been exlained in the in 40000 years of ignorance and approach it another way? - the universe is expanding and the"skin* that contains it create the space time in which expands so it has moore and moore room and the room in which expands is created nanonsecond after nanoecond ( like the skin that contains the yolk and separates it from albumen , but this skin 7frontier is creating space and time and universe expands in ) -the universe ALWAYS existed and stars were born died and others replace them so it is always in mutation and creation - the conversion of the energies from crude matter in more subtle ( atoms muons electrons + and - and whatever witchcraft Quantum physics is discovering ) is what makes this energy self-renew it is the* Moto perpetuo*mechanism this energy is everywhere nor diluted nor more concentrated nor lacking as it might effect the whole armony of the universal mechanism - we all bathe in it and tap as much as our physical captors allow each of us by our proper nature to be able to ( for what is on the physical plane ) - and I guess is the same on the spiritual plane, some of us are by birth circumstances or other more than the common mob - what is a common mob.. a silly expression as each of us has some skill used or inert but we all have so this is why we all are different and each of us is unique >>> Similarly, Einstein's equations showed that the universe was >>> only so big and that light in a vacuum had a maximum velocity and >>> gravitation was the curvature of space, etc, all of which amounts >>> to the same thing that Poe said. So, all of that said, is UE >>> uniform in all directions throughout >>> the universe? Is some of it "obscured by dust clouds" (and if so, >>> why don't they "heat up" to the "temperature of life" >>> and radiate their own UE)? yet again is the story of the 4 blinds trying to figure out what en elephant is we are craving for answers that cannot be done in the actual mass of knowledge we have, and even in few centuries from now the same questions will be risibles and more questions will rise and rise the same troubles the universe is a sort of hyper complex mechanism that involves matter in different forms material energy and life , life per se is a way universe continue creating new possibilities of biological life) probably is doing the same creating a life of energy ( what we call spirits or guides ) or of crude matter maybe like crystals , and so on ,as IMHO life divelops in all possible forms and not only the one we intend here ( flesh bones or plants) and universe is the *space where life express his endless creativity and experimentation of all the conceivables possibilities and probably more ) so to speak , trying to talk about , it is like trying to empty the sea with a sea shell > That is typical of the human mind, attempting to explain the > unexplainable. yes we always tried to find out what is beyond a wood a hill a mountain or the horizon and the sky... *appetite comes with eating " >> good question..maybe all is bathing in the same uniform golden >> mist > Correct. Good :-D Have a nice Easter Day you your family and all AHR folks that are willing to accept it Theo Just for today... don't worry .....be happy ###### From: Theo Newsgroups: alt.healing.reiki Subject: Re: Can Reiki Cause Harm? Date: Sun, 27 Mar 2005 10:22:13 +0200 Lines: 43 Message-ID: <3an8p3F6elmqpU1@uni-berlin.de> References: <42291176.1396106@news.east.earthlink.net> <38uvg7F5rhuo0U1@individual.net> <42449af8.371505@news.east.earthlink.net> <3akel9F6cmfa0U1@uni-berlin.de> <3akntdF6bpkprU1@individual.net> <3akshbF65h62tU1@uni-berlin.de> <42454847.1145816@news.east.earthlink.net> <3al7b3F6dvmrqU1@uni-berlin.de> <3am5flF6d44emU1@individual.net> Reply-To: byjoke@ch.inter.net Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Trace: news.uni-berlin.de nmjqrxwK98nlhm+6NYo38w4THabJlKPsbgCXbqXUTfrjx1UDuskFZg User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows; U; Windows NT 5.1; en-US; rv:1.4) Gecko/20030624 Netscape/7.1 (ax) X-Accept-Language: en, fr, it In-Reply-To: <3am5flF6d44emU1@individual.net> Path: nightfall.franklin.ch!news1.ethz.ch!news-zh.switch.ch!switch.ch!solnet.ch!solnet.ch!fu-berlin.de!uni-berlin.de!not-for-mail Xref: nightfall.franklin.ch alt.healing.reiki:24032 Stuart Vernon wrote: > Alex Barna wrote: > >> To my vision the density of UE is uniform through out the universe, >> though it does vary in intensity & color like the surface of a soap >> bubble. > Although what is seen in the soap bubble (whilst it might try to > maintain its surface tension) is reflected from without into our > conscious .. and nothing to do with the soap bubble per se .. > Stuart have you aver observed a bubble soap ? it has a lively irization on the surface with strains of colors that agitate, all of sudden the irization*breaks* like corrupted and a few second later the bubble explode whe Kid I was blowing smoke inside the bubble and it was smoky looking and when exploded the smoke surprise people well think this subtle skin that contains the bubble is the interface the mechanism to say ,that expanding creates space and time so the smoke particles can expand and get more and more diluted in the bubble and at the same time new smoke is created inside as room is created I have to find out a part in one of the books I read ,where was given an example that is actually a mistery . They said that a sort of particle when broken becomes two particles of the same mass as ( the given example in the text) a cup of tea falls on the ground breaks into two pieces and you get two ..whole cups intacts .. from where comes the matter that filled thetwo halves totally( the missing half of each old broken cup ? this is one of the unanswered questions ..so probably it is something else beyond the surface of what we can see or conceive with our mind Theo Just for today... don't worry .....be happy ###### From: gdwill@earthlink.net (Garry Williams) Newsgroups: alt.healing.reiki Subject: Re: Can Reiki Cause Harm? Reply-To: gdwill@earthlink.net Message-ID: <4246b258.1286648@news.east.earthlink.net> References: <42291176.1396106@news.east.earthlink.net> <38uvg7F5rhuo0U1@individual.net> <42449af8.371505@news.east.earthlink.net> <3akel9F6cmfa0U1@uni-berlin.de> <3akntdF6bpkprU1@individual.net> <3akshbF65h62tU1@uni-berlin.de> <42454847.1145816@news.east.earthlink.net> <3al7b3F6dvmrqU1@uni-berlin.de> <3an7uhF6a6dpaU1@uni-berlin.de> X-Newsreader: Forte Free Agent 1.11/32.235 Lines: 57 Date: Sun, 27 Mar 2005 13:28:31 GMT NNTP-Posting-Host: 4.152.231.42 X-Complaints-To: abuse@earthlink.net X-Trace: newsread3.news.atl.earthlink.net 1111930111 4.152.231.42 (Sun, 27 Mar 2005 05:28:31 PST) NNTP-Posting-Date: Sun, 27 Mar 2005 05:28:31 PST Organization: EarthLink Inc. -- http://www.EarthLink.net Path: nightfall.franklin.ch!news1.ethz.ch!news-zh.switch.ch!switch.ch!solnet.ch!solnet.ch!news.glorb.com!border1.nntp.dca.giganews.com!nntp.giganews.com!elnk-atl-nf1!newsfeed.earthlink.net!stamper.news.atl.earthlink.net!newsread3.news.atl.earthlink.net.POSTED!7510546c!not-for-mail Xref: nightfall.franklin.ch alt.healing.reiki:24041 On Sun, 27 Mar 2005 10:08:02 +0200, Theo wrote: > so why don't we forget all what has been exlained in the in 40000 >years of ignorance and approach it another way? If you forget everything, you throw the baby out with the bathwater. Whatever new theory you come up with still has to explain old observations. BTW, just out of curiosity, why did you choose 40K as the number of years of ignorance? >-the universe ALWAYS existed and stars were born died and others >replace them so it is always in mutation and creation The Steady State Theory has been out of favor for about 50 years now. :-) Also, thanks to improved technology, we can detect the fossil remnants of the "Big Bang", so it seems a foregone conclusion. >- the conversion of the energies from crude matter in more subtle ( >atoms muons electrons + and - and whatever witchcraft Quantum physics >is discovering ) is what makes this energy self-renew it is the* Moto >perpetuo*mechanism I'm not sure what you're on about here unless you're trying to lead into String Theory and the creation of parallel universes? > yet again is the story of the 4 blinds trying to figure out what en >elephant is > we are craving for answers that cannot be done in the actual mass of >knowledge we have, and even in few centuries from now the same >questions will be risibles and more questions will rise and rise the >same troubles We're getting to the point where the 4 blind men have exchanged information, gotten over their stubbornness, and started cooperating on creating a theory that explains all 4's observations adequately. >> That is typical of the human mind, attempting to explain the >> unexplainable. > yes we always tried to find out what is beyond a wood a hill a >mountain or the horizon and the sky... > *appetite comes with eating " Good thinking! Breakfast calls! Hmmm, maybe some pumpkin and walnut pancakes with real butter and real maple syrup, accompanied by eggs and bacon and mango orange juice. Yum! > Have a nice Easter Day you your family and all AHR folks > that are willing to accept it Uguali. namaste, Garry ###### From: Theo Newsgroups: alt.healing.reiki Subject: Re: Can Reiki Cause Harm? Date: Sun, 27 Mar 2005 16:52:24 +0200 Lines: 67 Message-ID: <3anvklF6ck8udU1@uni-berlin.de> References: <42291176.1396106@news.east.earthlink.net> <38uvg7F5rhuo0U1@individual.net> <42449af8.371505@news.east.earthlink.net> <3akel9F6cmfa0U1@uni-berlin.de> <3akntdF6bpkprU1@individual.net> <3akshbF65h62tU1@uni-berlin.de> <42454847.1145816@news.east.earthlink.net> <3al7b3F6dvmrqU1@uni-berlin.de> <3an7uhF6a6dpaU1@uni-berlin.de> <4246b258.1286648@news.east.earthlink.net> Reply-To: byjoke@ch.inter.net Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Trace: news.uni-berlin.de xXpIeMAYqH1l7sKCetGplAzc4pVmZpExTScrSiiyEsKciN2OtrnbPc User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows; U; Windows NT 5.1; en-US; rv:1.4) Gecko/20030624 Netscape/7.1 (ax) X-Accept-Language: en, fr, it In-Reply-To: <4246b258.1286648@news.east.earthlink.net> Path: nightfall.franklin.ch!news1.ethz.ch!news-zh.switch.ch!switch.ch!news.imp.ch!news.imp.ch!fu-berlin.de!uni-berlin.de!not-for-mail Xref: nightfall.franklin.ch alt.healing.reiki:24044 Garry Williams wrote: > On Sun, 27 Mar 2005 10:08:02 +0200, Theo wrote: > >> so why don't we forget all what has been exlained in the in 40000 >> years of ignorance and approach it another way? > If you forget everything, you throw the baby out with the bathwater. > Whatever new theory you come up with still has to explain old > observations. it is a good option :-)(to throw the baby) > BTW, just out of curiosity, why did you choose 40K as the number of > years of ignorance? it is since then that humanity had the first sprinkle of consciousness differencing from animals establishing a ritual , standing humanoids are older than that > The Steady State Theory has been out of favor for about 50 years now. > :-) Also, thanks to improved technology, we can detect the fossil > remnants of the "Big Bang", so it seems a foregone conclusion. theer is plenty of fossiles of a lot of different big bangs every time energy/matter collpase and explode to create e new star , a new big bang is born science and universe is like horizon more you walk toward it more it widens .. more you discovery knowledge more you realize it is complex this is why I told you throw away water and baby with all was just too narrow justa a primitive exlanation and nothing else only greeks and probabily Babilonese could see more deep into these material- astral things > I'm not sure what you're on about here unless you're trying to lead > into String Theory and the creation of parallel universes? that's something else, it is already complicate to stay in just one :-D > We're getting to the point where the 4 blind men have exchanged > information, gotten over their stubbornness, and started cooperating > on creating a theory that explains all 4's observations adequately. but we are talking of more than en elephant of something * mutandis in mutandibus * something that is always evolving changing to a scale that we cannot conceive , yet steady at our human-life rate > Good thinking! Breakfast calls! Hmmm, maybe some pumpkin and walnut > pancakes with real butter and real maple syrup, accompanied by eggs > and bacon and mango orange juice. Yum! how many calories ? to make a big bang almost :-D Theo Just for today... don't worry .....be happy ###### From: gdwill@earthlink.net (Garry Williams) Newsgroups: alt.healing.reiki Subject: Re: Can Reiki Cause Harm? Reply-To: gdwill@earthlink.net Message-ID: <424717e5.552888@news.east.earthlink.net> References: <42291176.1396106@news.east.earthlink.net> <38uvg7F5rhuo0U1@individual.net> <42449af8.371505@news.east.earthlink.net> <3akel9F6cmfa0U1@uni-berlin.de> <3akntdF6bpkprU1@individual.net> <3akshbF65h62tU1@uni-berlin.de> <42454847.1145816@news.east.earthlink.net> <3al7b3F6dvmrqU1@uni-berlin.de> <3an7uhF6a6dpaU1@uni-berlin.de> <4246b258.1286648@news.east.earthlink.net> <3anvklF6ck8udU1@uni-berlin.de> X-Newsreader: Forte Free Agent 1.11/32.235 Lines: 74 Date: Sun, 27 Mar 2005 20:42:30 GMT NNTP-Posting-Host: 4.152.60.54 X-Complaints-To: abuse@earthlink.net X-Trace: newsread3.news.atl.earthlink.net 1111956150 4.152.60.54 (Sun, 27 Mar 2005 12:42:30 PST) NNTP-Posting-Date: Sun, 27 Mar 2005 12:42:30 PST Organization: EarthLink Inc. -- http://www.EarthLink.net Path: nightfall.franklin.ch!news1.ethz.ch!news-zh.switch.ch!irazu.switch.ch!switch.ch!in.100proofnews.com!in.100proofnews.com!border2.nntp.dca.giganews.com!border1.nntp.dca.giganews.com!nntp.giganews.com!newshub.sdsu.edu!elnk-nf2-pas!newsfeed.earthlink.net!stamper.news.pas.earthlink.net!stamper.news.atl.earthlink.net!newsread3.news.atl.earthlink.net.POSTED!7510546c!not-for-mail Xref: nightfall.franklin.ch alt.healing.reiki:24094 On Sun, 27 Mar 2005 16:52:24 +0200, Theo wrote: >> BTW, just out of curiosity, why did you choose 40K as the number of >> years of ignorance? > it is since then that humanity had the first sprinkle of consciousness Says who? Homo sapiens has been around for around 100K and it was around 40K years ago that H.sapiens was finishing off H. neanderthalensis. H. sapiens arrived in New Guinea/Australia around 60K years ago if memory serves and there are some claims for the presence of man in South America around 37K years ago I believe. Clearly humans were busy being humans way before 40K years ago. > differencing from animals establishing a ritual , standing >humanoids are older than that Oh, yes, as in 1000K years ago. > >> The Steady State Theory has been out of favor for about 50 years now. >> :-) Also, thanks to improved technology, we can detect the fossil >> remnants of the "Big Bang", so it seems a foregone conclusion. > theer is plenty of fossiles of a lot of different big bangs every >time energy/matter collpase > >and explode to create e new star , a new big bang is born Uh, no. The Big Bang Theory refers specifically to the whole universe, not individual stars. Different processes involved altogether. > science and universe is like horizon more you walk toward it more it >widens .. more you discovery knowledge more you realize it is complex > this is why I told you throw away water and baby with all was just too >narrow justa a primitive exlanation and nothing else > only greeks and probabily Babilonese could see more deep into these >material- astral things As a wise man once said: "The four points of the compass be logic, knowledge, wisdom and the unknown. Some do bow in that final direction. Others advance upon it. To bow before the one is to lose sight of the three. I may submit to the unknown, but never to the unknowable. The man who bows in that final directions is either a saint or a fool. I have no use for either." > >> We're getting to the point where the 4 blind men have exchanged >> information, gotten over their stubbornness, and started cooperating >> on creating a theory that explains all 4's observations adequately. > but we are talking of more than en elephant of something > >* mutandis in mutandibus * something that is always evolving changing >to a scale that we cannot conceive , yet steady at our human-life rate So we know we won't know everything in our lifetimes. However, human knowledge keeps accumulating and being passed on to future generations. It seems to working so far. ;-) > >> Good thinking! Breakfast calls! Hmmm, maybe some pumpkin and walnut >> pancakes with real butter and real maple syrup, accompanied by eggs >> and bacon and mango orange juice. Yum! > > how many calories ? to make a big bang almost :-D I'll tell you, it wasn't easy making it to taiji practice this afternoon, but somehow I did it! The antigravity from the dark energy helped a lot. ;-) Garry ###### From: Theo Newsgroups: alt.healing.reiki Subject: Re: Can Reiki Cause Harm? Date: Sun, 27 Mar 2005 23:12:19 +0200 Lines: 80 Message-ID: <3aolsuF6ce1mtU1@uni-berlin.de> References: <42291176.1396106@news.east.earthlink.net> <38uvg7F5rhuo0U1@individual.net> <42449af8.371505@news.east.earthlink.net> <3akel9F6cmfa0U1@uni-berlin.de> <3akntdF6bpkprU1@individual.net> <3akshbF65h62tU1@uni-berlin.de> <42454847.1145816@news.east.earthlink.net> <3al7b3F6dvmrqU1@uni-berlin.de> <3an7uhF6a6dpaU1@uni-berlin.de> <4246b258.1286648@news.east.earthlink.net> <3anvklF6ck8udU1@uni-berlin.de> <424717e5.552888@news.east.earthlink.net> Reply-To: byjoke@ch.inter.net Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Trace: news.uni-berlin.de ciph5kQ6eHxiG1Es4IeW6Agjw0j4GPKCxlrwin6MnJNYaRvzPS/Rki User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows; U; Windows NT 5.1; en-US; rv:1.4) Gecko/20030624 Netscape/7.1 (ax) X-Accept-Language: en, fr, it In-Reply-To: <424717e5.552888@news.east.earthlink.net> Path: nightfall.franklin.ch!news1.ethz.ch!news-zh.switch.ch!switch.ch!news.ip-plus.net!newsfeed.ip-plus.net!news.tesion.net!news.belwue.de!fu-berlin.de!uni-berlin.de!not-for-mail Xref: nightfall.franklin.ch alt.healing.reiki:24090 Garry Williams wrote: > On Sun, 27 Mar 2005 16:52:24 +0200, Theo wrote: > >>>BTW, just out of curiosity, why did you choose 40K as the number of >>>years of ignorance? >> >> it is since then that humanity had the first sprinkle of consciousness > Says who? Homo sapiens has been around for around 100K and it was > around 40K years ago that H.sapiens was finishing off H. > neanderthalensis. H. sapiens arrived in New Guinea/Australia around > 60K years ago if memory serves and there are some claims for the > presence of man in South America around 37K years ago I believe. > Clearly humans were busy being humans way before 40K years ago. so to speak `^--^` > >> differencing from animals establishing a ritual , standing >> humanoids are older than that > Oh, yes, as in 1000K years ago. I was not there and what science says can be from scientific point of view when did they started having a cult for their deads ? > Uh, no. The Big Bang Theory refers specifically to the whole universe, > not individual stars. Different processes involved altogether. I do not know for me this story of the bing bang sounds so huuma *** in the beginning was chaos and the spirit said Light be.... > As a wise man once said: > "The four points of the compass be logic, knowledge, wisdom and the > unknown. Some do bow in that final direction. Others advance upon it. > To bow before the one is to lose sight of the three. I may submit to > the unknown, but never to the unknowable. The man who bows in that > final directions is either a saint or a fool. I have no use for > either." > very clever .. erg .. but what does it means :-D > So we know we won't know everything in our lifetimes. However, human > knowledge keeps accumulating and being passed on to future > generations. It seems to working so far. ;-) true and regularly the certitudes are revised thrown to nettles and new theories make surface .. and humanity walk toward new certitude miths urban legends the past is filled with idiocies and the present is just disclosing after all it makes 200 years that science made big steps and mostly in the last 80 so compared to 40 k or 100 k is really very little think * bucks * one per year , and you'll realize what it means > I'll tell you, it wasn't easy making it to taiji practice this > afternoon, it was breakfast and you did not digest until afternoon ? > but somehow I did it! The antigravity from the dark energy > helped a lot. ;-) possible cheers Theo Just for today... don't worry .....be happy