From: "Hellen" Newsgroups: alt.healing.reiki Subject: healing trees? Lines: 12 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1409 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1409 Message-ID: Date: Mon, 13 Sep 2004 01:26:57 GMT NNTP-Posting-Host: 24.156.161.236 X-Complaints-To: abuse@rogers.com X-Trace: news04.bloor.is.net.cable.rogers.com 1095038817 24.156.161.236 (Sun, 12 Sep 2004 21:26:57 EDT) NNTP-Posting-Date: Sun, 12 Sep 2004 21:26:57 EDT Path: nightfall.franklin.ch!pfaff2.ethz.ch!news-zh.switch.ch!switch.ch!solnet.ch!solnet.ch!news.glorb.com!meganewsservers.com!feeder2.on.meganewsservers.com!feed.cgocable.net!cyclone01.bloor.is.net.cable.rogers.com!news04.bloor.is.net.cable.rogers.com.POSTED!12dc6cf53ab2750!not-for-mail Xref: nightfall.franklin.ch alt.healing.reiki:19339 Does anyone have any suggestions to share on how to heal larger trees? I have a birch in my garden suffering from birch borers (a pest that often kills birches). I was thinking of sending Reiki to the root, trunk and branches but have no idea how often to do it or any ideas to be more efficient. Thanks, Love & light, Hellen ###### From: gdwill@earthlink.net (Garry Williams) Newsgroups: alt.healing.reiki Subject: Re: healing trees? Date: Mon, 13 Sep 2004 02:17:42 GMT Lines: 23 Message-ID: <414502d8.7027901@news.Individual.NET> References: Reply-To: gdwill@earthlink.net X-Trace: news.uni-berlin.de fSKxU5MUmnRW9U+dR9//HAZK+vDcS7v/H/ALgscXo8vZz8AR5j X-Newsreader: Forte Free Agent 1.11/32.235 Path: nightfall.franklin.ch!pfaff2.ethz.ch!news-zh.switch.ch!switch.ch!solnet.ch!solnet.ch!fu-berlin.de!uni-berlin.de!not-for-mail Xref: nightfall.franklin.ch alt.healing.reiki:19341 Just a suggestion, but in addition to Reiki, post a question on rec.gardens and see if someone can provide more options. Also, if you are in the US, call your local Agricultural Extension service. Love and Light, Garry On Mon, 13 Sep 2004 01:26:57 GMT, "Hellen" wrote: >Does anyone have any suggestions to share on how to heal larger trees? I >have a birch in my garden suffering from birch borers (a pest that often >kills birches). I was thinking of sending Reiki to the root, trunk and >branches but have no idea how often to do it or any ideas to be more >efficient. > >Thanks, > >Love & light, >Hellen > > ###### From: Montane Newsgroups: alt.healing.reiki Subject: Re: healing trees? Date: Mon, 13 Sep 2004 09:53:44 -0700 Organization: http://extra.newsguy.com Lines: 30 Message-ID: References: NNTP-Posting-Host: p-689.newsdawg.com Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Newsreader: Forte Free Agent 1.93/32.576 English (American) Path: nightfall.franklin.ch!pfaff2.ethz.ch!news-zh.switch.ch!switch.ch!solnet.ch!solnet.ch!newspeer1.nwr.nac.net!news.maxwell.syr.edu!pln-e!spln!dex!extra.newsguy.com!newsp.newsguy.com!enews2 Xref: nightfall.franklin.ch alt.healing.reiki:19347 On Mon, 13 Sep 2004 01:26:57 GMT, "Hellen" wrote: >Does anyone have any suggestions to share on how to heal larger trees? I >have a birch in my garden suffering from birch borers (a pest that often >kills birches). I was thinking of sending Reiki to the root, trunk and >branches but have no idea how often to do it or any ideas to be more >efficient. > >Thanks, > >Love & light, >Hellen > I've been organic gardening since I was a kid -- for over 30 years. I'm an amateur arborist who has also long lived amid forests, and worked in one corner of the field of forestry. I've been experimenting with Reiki and trees since I was attuned 4 years ago. Generally, I've sent energy to the trunk/roots. Hands-on, in many cases. I do not feel like an expert with this, by any means. I look forward to hearing baout other peoples experiences. Best of luck. Please keep in touch with us, Hellen. Blessing, montane ###### From: Elle Newsgroups: alt.healing.reiki Subject: Re: healing trees? Date: Mon, 13 Sep 2004 19:01:05 +0100 Lines: 27 Message-ID: References: NNTP-Posting-Host: wall.demon.co.uk Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Trace: news.demon.co.uk 1095098467 6419 62.49.6.3 (13 Sep 2004 18:01:07 GMT) X-Complaints-To: abuse@demon.net NNTP-Posting-Date: Mon, 13 Sep 2004 18:01:07 +0000 (UTC) X-No-Archive: yes X-Newsreader: Forte Agent 1.93/32.576 English (American) Path: nightfall.franklin.ch!pfaff2.ethz.ch!news-zh.switch.ch!switch.ch!solnet.ch!solnet.ch!newsfeed.freenet.de!216.196.110.149.MISMATCH!border2.nntp.ams.giganews.com!nntp.giganews.com!news-hub.cableinet.net!blueyonder!peer-uk.news.demon.net!kibo.news.demon.net!news.demon.co.uk!demon!not-for-mail Xref: nightfall.franklin.ch alt.healing.reiki:19348 On Mon, 13 Sep 2004 01:26:57 GMT, "Hellen" wrote: >Does anyone have any suggestions to share on how to heal larger trees? I >have a birch in my garden suffering from birch borers (a pest that often >kills birches). I was thinking of sending Reiki to the root, trunk and >branches but have no idea how often to do it or any ideas to be more >efficient. > >Thanks, > >Love & light, >Hellen Trees love Reiki. Ask the tree first if it would like to receive Reiki (it will most likely say yes!) This may sound far fetched, but if you put your hand on the trunk and ask if it would like to receive Reiki, you should feel a yes response. (I've been told if you feel slightly sick in your solar plexus this would indicate no). Reiki as long and as often as feels right. (Brings a whole new meaning to Tree Hugger!) love and light, Elle (a lurker offering my two cents!) ###### From: Montane Newsgroups: alt.healing.reiki Subject: Re: healing trees? Date: Mon, 13 Sep 2004 11:26:06 -0700 Organization: http://extra.newsguy.com Lines: 25 Message-ID: References: NNTP-Posting-Host: p-980.newsdawg.com Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Newsreader: Forte Free Agent 1.93/32.576 English (American) Path: nightfall.franklin.ch!pfaff2.ethz.ch!news-zh.switch.ch!switch.ch!solnet.ch!solnet.ch!news.moat.net!pln-w!spln!dex!extra.newsguy.com!newsp.newsguy.com!enews3 Xref: nightfall.franklin.ch alt.healing.reiki:19350 On Mon, 13 Sep 2004 19:01:05 +0100, Elle wrote: > >Trees love Reiki. Ask the tree first if it would like to receive >Reiki (it will most likely say yes!) This may sound far fetched, but >if you put your hand on the trunk and ask if it would like to receive >Reiki, you should feel a yes response. (I've been told if you feel >slightly sick in your solar plexus this would indicate no). > >Reiki as long and as often as feels right. (Brings a whole new meaning >to Tree Hugger!) > >love and light, >Elle > >(a lurker offering my two cents!) Glad to see you're not just a lurker any more, Elle. :-) By the way, care to relate any stories about giving Reiki to trees? Namaste, montane ###### From: "Ruben" Newsgroups: alt.healing.reiki References: Subject: Re: healing trees? Date: Mon, 13 Sep 2004 21:04:15 +0200 Lines: 39 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2314.1300 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2314.1300 Message-ID: <7f992$4145effe$513bbded$15747@news3.zonnet.nl> X-Complaints-To: abuse@zonnet.nl Organization: Zon Nederland N.V. NNTP-Posting-Host: dslam237-189-59-81.dyndsl.zonnet.nl (81.59.189.237) NNTP-Posting-Date: Mon, 13 Sep 2004 21:07:42 +0200 X-Trace: 7f9924145effef49e184815747 Path: nightfall.franklin.ch!pfaff2.ethz.ch!news-zh.switch.ch!switch.ch!solnet.ch!solnet.ch!newsfeed.wirehub.nl!62.58.50.20.MISMATCH!nntpfeed.zonnet.nl!news3.zonnet.nl!not-for-mail Xref: nightfall.franklin.ch alt.healing.reiki:19353 I tried giving Reiki to a tree once and I'm not doing that again! I instantly started to feel prickly? all over my body like I had bark on me. Freaked me out...Eek! Montane schreef in berichtnieuws btjbk0titf2ujeluruv8ak8cbjgchi14c6@4ax.com... > On Mon, 13 Sep 2004 01:26:57 GMT, "Hellen" wrote: > > >Does anyone have any suggestions to share on how to heal larger trees? I > >have a birch in my garden suffering from birch borers (a pest that often > >kills birches). I was thinking of sending Reiki to the root, trunk and > >branches but have no idea how often to do it or any ideas to be more > >efficient. > > > >Thanks, > > > >Love & light, > >Hellen > > > > I've been organic gardening since I was a kid -- for over 30 years. > I'm an amateur arborist who has also long lived amid forests, and > worked in one corner of the field of forestry. > > I've been experimenting with Reiki and trees since I was attuned 4 > years ago. Generally, I've sent energy to the trunk/roots. Hands-on, > in many cases. > > I do not feel like an expert with this, by any means. I look forward > to hearing baout other peoples experiences. > > Best of luck. Please keep in touch with us, Hellen. > > Blessing, > > montane ###### Reply-To: "LH" From: "LH" Newsgroups: alt.healing.reiki References: Subject: Re: healing trees? Lines: 18 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1437 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1441 Message-ID: Date: Tue, 14 Sep 2004 00:47:03 GMT NNTP-Posting-Host: 66.167.132.228 X-Complaints-To: abuse@earthlink.net X-Trace: newsread1.news.pas.earthlink.net 1095122823 66.167.132.228 (Mon, 13 Sep 2004 17:47:03 PDT) NNTP-Posting-Date: Mon, 13 Sep 2004 17:47:03 PDT Organization: EarthLink Inc. -- http://www.EarthLink.net Path: nightfall.franklin.ch!pfaff2.ethz.ch!news-zh.switch.ch!switch.ch!solnet.ch!solnet.ch!news2.euro.net!62.253.162.219.MISMATCH!news-out.ntli.net!newsrout1.ntli.net!news-in.ntli.net!ntli.net!peer01.cox.net!cox.net!elnk-pas-nf1!newsfeed.earthlink.net!stamper.news.pas.earthlink.net!newsread1.news.pas.earthlink.net.POSTED!c02fc96e!not-for-mail Xref: nightfall.franklin.ch alt.healing.reiki:19358 "Hellen" wrote in message news:BH61d.3$zi01.0@news04.bloor.is.net.cable.rogers.com... > Does anyone have any suggestions to share on how to heal larger trees? I > have a birch in my garden suffering from birch borers (a pest that often > kills birches). I was thinking of sending Reiki to the root, trunk and > branches but have no idea how often to do it or any ideas to be more > efficient. I've Reikied a few trees. I'm not sure what it did in the long run, they don't talk like human clients do. I did have a very strange experience while reiking one. I'd just trimmed some fair sized branches off a paper Burch and decided to give it some Reiki. I put my hands right on to the freshly cut stumps. After maybe a minute or so, my whole field of vision seemed to flutter or shimmer and everything was distorted briefly. It was very strange, almost like my 3D reality shifted or something. -- Lonnie ###### From: Montane Newsgroups: alt.healing.reiki Subject: Re: healing trees? Date: Mon, 13 Sep 2004 18:27:27 -0700 Organization: http://extra.newsguy.com Lines: 37 Message-ID: <0qhck09aup3ksngqjl4irac8gj3v1mjsc4@4ax.com> References: NNTP-Posting-Host: p-109.newsdawg.com Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Newsreader: Forte Free Agent 1.93/32.576 English (American) Path: nightfall.franklin.ch!pfaff2.ethz.ch!news-zh.switch.ch!irazu.switch.ch!switch.ch!newsfeed00.sul.t-online.de!t-online.de!border2.nntp.dca.giganews.com!nntp.giganews.com!cyclone1.gnilink.net!gnilink.net!pln-e!spln!dex!extra.newsguy.com!newsp.newsguy.com!enews4 Xref: nightfall.franklin.ch alt.healing.reiki:19359 Hi, Hellen Another thought related to energy healing and vegetative life... A book called *Secrets of the Soil* (by Peter Tomkins and Christopher Bird) has an epilog with considerable discussion of Alla Kudryashova, an energy healer who used mainly a hands-on approach such as we are familiar with through Reiki training. She is/was a natural, in the sense that she did not receive training to discover her healing ability; it was discovered by a family member. She was amiably and supportively studied during the Soviet years by the "Department of Theoretical Problems," an open-minded think tank of scientists attached to the U.S.S.R. Academy of Sciences. She came to the attention of the DTP due to her pronounced abilites. For the gardener or farmer, something of interest is Alla's demonstrated ability to increase the yield of beets (about a 70% increase in the field where she treated the seed, versus untreated-seed fields). Before she got deliberately involved with plants, she had demonstrated an ability to cure hatchling chikens that were ailing with a usually fatal digestive-tract disease, and also to increase the percentage of chicken egg hatching. That Alla worked with these 'controlled experiments' may have provided some feedback that was useful to her -- since the placebo effect that might be present when you work on people would presumably not be there with field crops and chicens. There is no one saying "gee, that felt really good!" -- which is nice to hear, of course, but often proves very little. Just a thought. Namaste, montane ###### From: "Hellen" Newsgroups: alt.healing.reiki References: Subject: Re: healing trees? Lines: 45 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1409 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1409 Message-ID: Date: Tue, 14 Sep 2004 02:48:47 GMT NNTP-Posting-Host: 24.156.161.236 X-Complaints-To: abuse@rogers.com X-Trace: news04.bloor.is.net.cable.rogers.com 1095130127 24.156.161.236 (Mon, 13 Sep 2004 22:48:47 EDT) NNTP-Posting-Date: Mon, 13 Sep 2004 22:48:47 EDT Path: nightfall.franklin.ch!pfaff2.ethz.ch!news-zh.switch.ch!switch.ch!newscore.univie.ac.at!news-spur1.maxwell.syr.edu!news.maxwell.syr.edu!border1.nntp.dca.giganews.com!border2.nntp.dca.giganews.com!nntp.giganews.com!feed.cgocable.net!cyclone01.bloor.is.net.cable.rogers.com!news04.bloor.is.net.cable.rogers.com.POSTED!12dc6cf53ab2750!not-for-mail Xref: nightfall.franklin.ch alt.healing.reiki:19361 Would you mind sharing some of your experiences? I was thinking for next year to try to have 2 pot plants from seeds in the same package and send reiki to one, to see if it makes any difference. Have some mixed feelings (the experiment could turn into "let's make the reiki-ed plant bigger :-)"). Has anyone tried this? Love & light, Hellen "Montane" wrote in message news:btjbk0titf2ujeluruv8ak8cbjgchi14c6@4ax.com... > On Mon, 13 Sep 2004 01:26:57 GMT, "Hellen" wrote: > > >Does anyone have any suggestions to share on how to heal larger trees? I > >have a birch in my garden suffering from birch borers (a pest that often > >kills birches). I was thinking of sending Reiki to the root, trunk and > >branches but have no idea how often to do it or any ideas to be more > >efficient. > > > >Thanks, > > > >Love & light, > >Hellen > > > > I've been organic gardening since I was a kid -- for over 30 years. > I'm an amateur arborist who has also long lived amid forests, and > worked in one corner of the field of forestry. > > I've been experimenting with Reiki and trees since I was attuned 4 > years ago. Generally, I've sent energy to the trunk/roots. Hands-on, > in many cases. > > I do not feel like an expert with this, by any means. I look forward > to hearing baout other peoples experiences. > > Best of luck. Please keep in touch with us, Hellen. > > Blessing, > > montane ###### From: "Hellen" Newsgroups: alt.healing.reiki References: Subject: Re: healing trees? Lines: 28 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1409 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1409 Message-ID: Date: Tue, 14 Sep 2004 02:50:05 GMT NNTP-Posting-Host: 24.156.161.236 X-Complaints-To: abuse@rogers.com X-Trace: news04.bloor.is.net.cable.rogers.com 1095130205 24.156.161.236 (Mon, 13 Sep 2004 22:50:05 EDT) NNTP-Posting-Date: Mon, 13 Sep 2004 22:50:05 EDT Path: nightfall.franklin.ch!pfaff2.ethz.ch!news-zh.switch.ch!irazu.switch.ch!switch.ch!news.belwue.de!feed.news.tiscali.de!feed2.news.rcn.net!rcn!news-out.cwix.com!newsfeed.cwix.com!cyclone01.bloor.is.net.cable.rogers.com!news04.bloor.is.net.cable.rogers.com.POSTED!12dc6cf53ab2750!not-for-mail Xref: nightfall.franklin.ch alt.healing.reiki:19362 Was it a repeatable experience? I wonder if it didn't have another cause, I haven't heard of similar reactions to sending reiki. Love & light, Hellen "LH" wrote in message news:bcr1d.445$Y65.38@newsread1.news.pas.earthlink.net... > > "Hellen" wrote in message > news:BH61d.3$zi01.0@news04.bloor.is.net.cable.rogers.com... > > Does anyone have any suggestions to share on how to heal larger trees? I > > have a birch in my garden suffering from birch borers (a pest that often > > kills birches). I was thinking of sending Reiki to the root, trunk and > > branches but have no idea how often to do it or any ideas to be more > > efficient. > > I've Reikied a few trees. I'm not sure what it did in the long run, they > don't talk like human clients do. I did have a very strange experience > while reiking one. I'd just trimmed some fair sized branches off a paper > Burch and decided to give it some Reiki. I put my hands right on to the > freshly cut stumps. After maybe a minute or so, my whole field of vision > seemed to flutter or shimmer and everything was distorted briefly. It was > very strange, almost like my 3D reality shifted or something. -- Lonnie > > ###### From: "b0b" Newsgroups: alt.healing.reiki Subject: Re: healing trees? Date: Tue, 14 Sep 2004 12:12:47 +0200 Lines: 29 Message-ID: <2qnuh4F11q3k0U1@uni-berlin.de> References: X-Trace: news.uni-berlin.de 6/MkwSulB4rAMYkbAyi9uAQSBHshlGSX4hkkTydhkW0uDTjJd9 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1437 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1441 Path: nightfall.franklin.ch!pfaff2.ethz.ch!news-zh.switch.ch!switch.ch!solnet.ch!solnet.ch!fu-berlin.de!uni-berlin.de!not-for-mail Xref: nightfall.franklin.ch alt.healing.reiki:19367 Hellen, There is a system of Reiki based on plant energies. It is called Celtic Reiki, by Pamela Jordan. I have been attuned to all levels. If you would like to know more about it check out: http://www.enchanted-earth.co.uk I can offer attunements to level 3 if you would like. Love and Light! b0b "Hellen" wrote in message news:BH61d.3$zi01.0@news04.bloor.is.net.cable.rogers.com... > Does anyone have any suggestions to share on how to heal larger trees? I > have a birch in my garden suffering from birch borers (a pest that often > kills birches). I was thinking of sending Reiki to the root, trunk and > branches but have no idea how often to do it or any ideas to be more > efficient. > > Thanks, > > Love & light, > Hellen > > ###### From: "b0b" Newsgroups: alt.healing.reiki Subject: Re: healing trees? Date: Tue, 14 Sep 2004 12:26:49 +0200 Lines: 40 Message-ID: <2qnvbeF1124eaU1@uni-berlin.de> References: <2qnuh4F11q3k0U1@uni-berlin.de> X-Trace: news.uni-berlin.de t+OzTdITcDt31N11QjRH1gX5ll8B3MJr3fs7nI+mPLQfw8QbzR X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1437 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1441 Path: nightfall.franklin.ch!pfaff2.ethz.ch!news-zh.switch.ch!switch.ch!solnet.ch!solnet.ch!fu-berlin.de!uni-berlin.de!not-for-mail Xref: nightfall.franklin.ch alt.healing.reiki:19368 Oops, I got the name wrong.... The manual I have is from Pamela Jordan I just checked the lineage and the originator is Martyn Pentecost b0b "b0b" wrote in message news:2qnuh4F11q3k0U1@uni-berlin.de... > Hellen, > There is a system of Reiki based on plant energies. > It is called Celtic Reiki, by Pamela Jordan. I have been attuned to all > levels. If you would like to know more about it check out: > > http://www.enchanted-earth.co.uk > > I can offer attunements to level 3 if you would like. > > Love and Light! > > b0b > > "Hellen" wrote in message > news:BH61d.3$zi01.0@news04.bloor.is.net.cable.rogers.com... > > Does anyone have any suggestions to share on how to heal larger trees? I > > have a birch in my garden suffering from birch borers (a pest that often > > kills birches). I was thinking of sending Reiki to the root, trunk and > > branches but have no idea how often to do it or any ideas to be more > > efficient. > > > > Thanks, > > > > Love & light, > > Hellen > > > > > > ###### Reply-To: "LH" From: "LH" Newsgroups: alt.healing.reiki References: Subject: Re: healing trees? Lines: 43 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1437 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1441 Message-ID: <4mA1d.11$gG4.8@newsread1.news.pas.earthlink.net> Date: Tue, 14 Sep 2004 11:12:00 GMT NNTP-Posting-Host: 66.167.132.228 X-Complaints-To: abuse@earthlink.net X-Trace: newsread1.news.pas.earthlink.net 1095160320 66.167.132.228 (Tue, 14 Sep 2004 04:12:00 PDT) NNTP-Posting-Date: Tue, 14 Sep 2004 04:12:00 PDT Organization: EarthLink Inc. -- http://www.EarthLink.net Path: nightfall.franklin.ch!pfaff2.ethz.ch!news-zh.switch.ch!switch.ch!solnet.ch!solnet.ch!news.glorb.com!newshub.sdsu.edu!elnk-nf2-pas!newsfeed.earthlink.net!stamper.news.pas.earthlink.net!newsread1.news.pas.earthlink.net.POSTED!c02fc96e!not-for-mail Xref: nightfall.franklin.ch alt.healing.reiki:19369 "Hellen" wrote in message news:x%s1d.83$znk1.35@news04.bloor.is.net.cable.rogers.com... > Was it a repeatable experience? I wonder if it didn't have another cause, I > haven't heard of similar reactions to sending reiki. I've had it happen to lesser degrees when I set next to trees and gaze (Toltec open eye meditation thing) and once when I tried the same thing only with much smaller branches. I haven't cutoff any large branches since the initial experience. It is quite odd. > "LH" wrote in message > news:bcr1d.445$Y65.38@newsread1.news.pas.earthlink.net... > > > > "Hellen" wrote in message > > news:BH61d.3$zi01.0@news04.bloor.is.net.cable.rogers.com... > > > Does anyone have any suggestions to share on how to heal larger trees? I > > > have a birch in my garden suffering from birch borers (a pest that often > > > kills birches). I was thinking of sending Reiki to the root, trunk and > > > branches but have no idea how often to do it or any ideas to be more > > > efficient. > > > > I've Reikied a few trees. I'm not sure what it did in the long run, they > > don't talk like human clients do. I did have a very strange experience > > while reiking one. I'd just trimmed some fair sized branches off a paper > > Burch and decided to give it some Reiki. I put my hands right on to the > > freshly cut stumps. After maybe a minute or so, my whole field of vision > > seemed to flutter or shimmer and everything was distorted briefly. It was > > very strange, almost like my 3D reality shifted or something. -- Lonnie > > > > > > ###### Date: Tue, 14 Sep 2004 22:30:06 +1000 From: "Mr. Random" User-Agent: Mozilla Thunderbird 0.7.3 (Windows/20040803) X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 Newsgroups: alt.healing.reiki Subject: Re: healing trees? References: In-Reply-To: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Original-NNTP-Posting-Host: 210.50.112.4 Message-ID: <4146e45a_1@news.iprimus.com.au> Organization: iPrimus Customer - reports relating to abuse should be sent to abuse@iprimus.com.au X-Original-NNTP-Posting-Host: 127.0.0.1 Lines: 25 NNTP-Posting-Host: 203.134.67.67 X-Trace: 1095156728 un-2park-reader-01.sydney.pipenetworks.com.au 31709 203.134.67.67:4588 X-Complaints-To: Abuse, including message IDs to abuse@pipenetworks.com Path: nightfall.franklin.ch!pfaff2.ethz.ch!news-zh.switch.ch!switch.ch!news.imp.ch!news.imp.ch!snoopy.risq.qc.ca!chi1.usenetserver.com!news.usenetserver.com!newsfeed-east.nntpserver.com!nntpserver.com!news1.optus.net.au!optus!news.uwa.edu.au!nntp.waia.asn.au!203.16.214.244.MISMATCH!duster.adelaide.on.net!token.pipenetworks.com!218.100.2.59.MISMATCH!not-for-mail Xref: nightfall.franklin.ch alt.healing.reiki:19370 Greetings All :) This may be interesting to people here ( slightly off-topic? ): http://www.derrickjensen.org/backster.html Love, Hugs, and Reiki Shane-o =] Hellen wrote: > Does anyone have any suggestions to share on how to heal larger trees? I > have a birch in my garden suffering from birch borers (a pest that often > kills birches). I was thinking of sending Reiki to the root, trunk and > branches but have no idea how often to do it or any ideas to be more > efficient. > Thanks, > Love & light, > Hellen > ###### From: "ShadowWolf" Newsgroups: alt.healing.reiki References: <2qnuh4F11q3k0U1@uni-berlin.de> Subject: Re: healing trees? Lines: 9 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.2180 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2180 X-RFC2646: Format=Flowed; Original Message-ID: <%CE1d.30349$Of3.26323@tornado.tampabay.rr.com> Date: Tue, 14 Sep 2004 16:03:07 GMT NNTP-Posting-Host: 68.204.150.54 X-Complaints-To: abuse@rr.com X-Trace: tornado.tampabay.rr.com 1095177787 68.204.150.54 (Tue, 14 Sep 2004 12:03:07 EDT) NNTP-Posting-Date: Tue, 14 Sep 2004 12:03:07 EDT Organization: Road Runner High Speed Online http://www.rr.com Path: nightfall.franklin.ch!pfaff2.ethz.ch!news-zh.switch.ch!switch.ch!newscore.univie.ac.at!newsgate.cistron.nl!newspump.monmouth.com!newspeer.monmouth.com!border1.nntp.dca.giganews.com!border2.nntp.dca.giganews.com!nntp.giganews.com!elnk-atl-nf1!newsfeed.earthlink.net!cyclone.tampabay.rr.com!news-post.tampabay.rr.com!tornado.tampabay.rr.com.POSTED!not-for-mail Xref: nightfall.franklin.ch alt.healing.reiki:19374 > http://www.enchanted-earth.co.uk Just went for a peek at this site to see what the deal was and could not help but see that they are charging for what they received free. Karuna Ki Reiki which was introduced by Vinny as many of you know was and is supposed to be free. Be careful what you pay for from some people. ###### Reply-To: "LH" From: "LH" Newsgroups: alt.healing.reiki References: <4146e45a_1@news.iprimus.com.au> Subject: Re: healing trees? Lines: 12 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1437 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1441 Message-ID: Date: Tue, 14 Sep 2004 17:47:27 GMT NNTP-Posting-Host: 66.167.132.228 X-Complaints-To: abuse@earthlink.net X-Trace: newsread3.news.pas.earthlink.net 1095184047 66.167.132.228 (Tue, 14 Sep 2004 10:47:27 PDT) NNTP-Posting-Date: Tue, 14 Sep 2004 10:47:27 PDT Organization: EarthLink Inc. -- http://www.EarthLink.net Path: nightfall.franklin.ch!pfaff2.ethz.ch!news-zh.switch.ch!switch.ch!solnet.ch!solnet.ch!newsfeed.freenet.de!newsfeed00.sul.t-online.de!t-online.de!border2.nntp.dca.giganews.com!nntp.giganews.com!elnk-atl-nf1!elnk-nf2-pas!newsfeed.earthlink.net!stamper.news.pas.earthlink.net!newsread3.news.pas.earthlink.net.POSTED!c02fc96e!not-for-mail Xref: nightfall.franklin.ch alt.healing.reiki:19375 "Mr. Random" wrote in message news:4146e45a_1@news.iprimus.com.au... > Greetings All :) > > This may be interesting to people here ( slightly off-topic? ): > > http://www.derrickjensen.org/backster.html Great article! Thanks, Lonnie ###### From: "Broadsider" Newsgroups: alt.healing.reiki Subject: Re: healing trees? Date: Tue, 14 Sep 2004 19:34:02 +0000 (UTC) Organization: BT Openworld Lines: 51 Message-ID: References: NNTP-Posting-Host: host81-153-125-204.range81-153.btcentralplus.com X-Trace: hercules.btinternet.com 1095190442 23615 81.153.125.204 (14 Sep 2004 19:34:02 GMT) X-Complaints-To: news-complaints@lists.btinternet.com NNTP-Posting-Date: Tue, 14 Sep 2004 19:34:02 +0000 (UTC) X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1437 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Priority: 3 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1441 Path: nightfall.franklin.ch!pfaff2.ethz.ch!news-zh.switch.ch!irazu.switch.ch!switch.ch!newsmi-eu.news.garr.it!newsmi-us.news.garr.it!NewsITBone-GARR!newsfeed.media.kyoto-u.ac.jp!news-peer1!btnet-feed5!btnet!news.btopenworld.com!not-for-mail Xref: nightfall.franklin.ch alt.healing.reiki:19377 This isn't a 100% straightfroward answer but is appropriate. I bought a smallholding to live on in France which had a very large lime tree in it which was being choked by a very old vine. The vine root was several inches thick. I cut down the vine from the root upwards and continued to cut it away upwards until I could climb no further. While I was in the branches of the tree, I took a rest and leaned back against a large branch and was completely overwhelmed by a all-enveloping feeling of gratitude, it seemed. It made me cry buckets.. The next year the tree gave a phenomenal crop of seeds which the French "paysans" use as herbal remedies and I began to work on the other trees (Apple, & Quince) on the land and had similar responses. I know that this was not Reiki but I am convinced that trees respond in the same way as people if they are treated kindly and responsibly. Mike H "Montane" wrote in message news:mdpbk0p18lt3ibujm9q6tr1kb4k2mpq0os@4ax.com... > On Mon, 13 Sep 2004 19:01:05 +0100, Elle wrote: > > > > >Trees love Reiki. Ask the tree first if it would like to receive > >Reiki (it will most likely say yes!) This may sound far fetched, but > >if you put your hand on the trunk and ask if it would like to receive > >Reiki, you should feel a yes response. (I've been told if you feel > >slightly sick in your solar plexus this would indicate no). > > > >Reiki as long and as often as feels right. (Brings a whole new meaning > >to Tree Hugger!) > > > >love and light, > >Elle > > > >(a lurker offering my two cents!) > > Glad to see you're not just a lurker any more, Elle. :-) > > By the way, care to relate any stories about giving Reiki to trees? > > > Namaste, > > montane --- Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free. Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). Version: 6.0.719 / Virus Database: 475 - Release Date: 12/07/2004 ###### Date: Wed, 15 Sep 2004 22:03:09 +1000 From: "Mr. Random" User-Agent: Mozilla Thunderbird 0.7.3 (Windows/20040803) X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 Newsgroups: alt.healing.reiki Subject: Re: healing trees? References: <4146e45a_1@news.iprimus.com.au> In-Reply-To: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Original-NNTP-Posting-Host: 210.50.87.37 Message-ID: <41482f88_1@news.iprimus.com.au> Organization: iPrimus Customer - reports relating to abuse should be sent to abuse@iprimus.com.au X-Original-NNTP-Posting-Host: 127.0.0.1 Lines: 20 NNTP-Posting-Host: 203.134.67.67 X-Trace: 1095241507 un-2park-reader-01.sydney.pipenetworks.com.au 31709 203.134.67.67:2484 X-Complaints-To: Abuse, including message IDs to abuse@pipenetworks.com Path: nightfall.franklin.ch!pfaff2.ethz.ch!news-zh.switch.ch!irazu.switch.ch!switch.ch!news.belwue.de!feed.news.tiscali.de!newsfeed.tiscali.ch!npeer.de.kpn-eurorings.net!news.moat.net!nntp.waia.asn.au!203.16.214.244.MISMATCH!duster.adelaide.on.net!token.pipenetworks.com!218.100.2.59.MISMATCH!not-for-mail Xref: nightfall.franklin.ch alt.healing.reiki:19383 LH wrote: > "Mr. Random" wrote in message > news:4146e45a_1@news.iprimus.com.au... > >>Greetings All :) >> >> This may be interesting to people here ( slightly off-topic? ): >> >>http://www.derrickjensen.org/backster.html > Great article! Thanks, Lonnie > Glad to help :) Shane-o =] ###### From: Montane Newsgroups: alt.healing.reiki Subject: Re: healing trees? Date: Fri, 17 Sep 2004 09:21:33 -0700 Organization: http://extra.newsguy.com Lines: 66 Message-ID: References: NNTP-Posting-Host: p-596.newsdawg.com Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Newsreader: Forte Free Agent 1.93/32.576 English (American) Path: nightfall.franklin.ch!pfaff2.ethz.ch!news-zh.switch.ch!irazu.switch.ch!switch.ch!newsfeed00.sul.t-online.de!t-online.de!border2.nntp.dca.giganews.com!nntp.giganews.com!cyclone1.gnilink.net!gnilink.net!wns13feed!worldnet.att.net!199.218.7.141!news.glorb.com!pln-w!spln!dex!extra.newsguy.com!newsp.newsguy.com!enews1 Xref: nightfall.franklin.ch alt.healing.reiki:19391 On Tue, 14 Sep 2004 02:48:47 GMT, "Hellen" wrote: >Would you mind sharing some of your experiences? > This is not an easy thing, in a way...... *My* life (and my general health) improved in numerous ways after I was attuned. At the same time, I have continued to garden. I always enjoyed gardening, but when I was a lad I had not yet acquired much knowledge, or developed the best of habits and persisitence. So, for over 25 years (prior to my attunement), I gradually increased my savvy with organic-gardening techniques by doing -- and by talking with other gardeners, reading books, journal articles, and getting more info from the Web. Are my plants in growing better since my attunement? Yes, in general they are. But my learning process, as I just described, has certainly continued, too. I still deal at times with weak or sick plants. I'm not sure that, when giving either hands-on or mental ("distant") Reiki, I've brought any plants back from death's door. I still lose a few plants each year (I have three vegetable patches, two large and severl smaller ornamental beds, and lots of trees). I have a sugar maple that I planted about 10 years ago. It's doing gloriously, even though it is planted in a less than ideal sandy soil (much nearer to beach sand than to a true "sandy loam"). I've been giving it Reiki several times in each growing season over the last four years. I also have a weeping willow, planted five years ago. After I originally planted it, I had to move it a couple meters -- not good practice with any tree, really. But it was necessary. It started with a trunk diameter of roughly three-quarters of an inch. Igave it good general care after the move, but it showed slow growth for a couple years, which is a bit unusual for a willow. I have given it Reiki several times in each growing season, and this past year it has been showing wonderful growth and by next year its trunk will probably be larger in diameter than the maple I mentioned before. The thing about trees, as compared with annual food or ornamental plants, is that they develop steadily (and in a way, slowly) over many years. Monitoring changes is not easy sometimes. I could go on, but maybe this is enough. Hellen, do keep us informed of your experiences with your birch and any other trees, please. :-) Namaste, montane >I was thinking for next year to try to have 2 pot plants from seeds in the >same package and send reiki to one, to see if it makes any difference. Have >some mixed feelings (the experiment could turn into "let's make the reiki-ed >plant bigger :-)"). Has anyone tried this? > >Love & light, >Hellen > > ###### From: "Phasedreality" Newsgroups: alt.healing.reiki References: Subject: Re: healing trees? Date: Fri, 17 Sep 2004 19:21:25 +0100 Organization: Phasedreality X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1409 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1409 Lines: 27 Message-ID: <414b2b1e$0$69732$ed2619ec@ptn-nntp-reader01.plus.net> NNTP-Posting-Host: 4081e6ff.ptn-nntp-reader01.plus.net X-Trace: DXC=Yf_;Z?K3F>mOI_PQ]b3m5higd3Y`7Rb;nYZmCHj47lfe^9hA8CU[bH`^UXfmM88SWbhkGeRfca3To9>gJWWLR[Ud X-Complaints-To: abuse@plus.net Path: nightfall.franklin.ch!pfaff2.ethz.ch!news-zh.switch.ch!irazu.switch.ch!switch.ch!newsfeed00.sul.t-online.de!newsfeed01.sul.t-online.de!t-online.de!feed.news.tiscali.de!newsfeed.freenet.de!216.196.110.149.MISMATCH!border2.nntp.ams.giganews.com!border1.nntp.ams.giganews.com!nntp.giganews.com!fr.ip.ndsoftware.net!zen.net.uk!dedekind.zen.co.uk!nntp-peering.plus.net!ptn-nntp-feeder01.plus.net!ptn-nntp-spool02.plus.net!ptn-nntp-reader01.plus.net!not-for-mail Xref: nightfall.franklin.ch alt.healing.reiki:19393 Hi everyone! As this thread and it's responses have really piqued my interest and as I've never actullay tried reiki'ing a tree I decided that I would give it a go and see what happened. Anyway, there is a beautiful ash tree that lives in the field in the front of my house which, for various reasons, has played quite a significant part in my life (It's amazing how comforting sitting under a tree can be when you're experiencing times of stress!) so obviously it was a prime candidate. So, going on what people have said, I first asked if the tree wanted to receive reiki - to which I felt a definite 'yes' response, so I felt comfortable proceeding. To be honest I found it to be quite a moving experience and I defiantly 'lost time' during the treatment which, for me, is always a sign that something significant has happened. At one point I even found that I started to sway backwards and forwards as if I was being blown by the wind and at the same time I felt like I had roots running deep into the ground, which was much better than any grounding exercise I've ever done!... So, I give reiki'ing trees a big thumbs up! :o) Eats, Loves & Leaves Dan ###### From: "Judith Vaughan" Newsgroups: alt.healing.reiki References: <414b2b1e$0$69732$ed2619ec@ptn-nntp-reader01.plus.net> Subject: Re: healing trees? Lines: 5 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1437 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1441 Message-ID: Date: Fri, 17 Sep 2004 19:46:57 GMT NNTP-Posting-Host: 81.107.217.179 X-Complaints-To: abuse@virgin.net X-Trace: newsfe2-win.ntli.net 1095450417 81.107.217.179 (Fri, 17 Sep 2004 20:46:57 BST) NNTP-Posting-Date: Fri, 17 Sep 2004 20:46:57 BST Organization: Virgin Net Usenet Service Path: nightfall.franklin.ch!pfaff2.ethz.ch!news-zh.switch.ch!irazu.switch.ch!switch.ch!newsfeed00.sul.t-online.de!t-online.de!fr.ip.ndsoftware.net!proxad.net!proxad.net!62.253.162.219.MISMATCH!news-in.ntli.net!newsrout1-win.ntli.net!ntli.net!newspeer1-win.ntli.net!newsfe2-win.ntli.net.POSTED!53ab2750!not-for-mail Xref: nightfall.franklin.ch alt.healing.reiki:19394 Hi Dan, I love your sign-offs! I sniggered loudly at this one especially. Jude ###### From: stuv@cix.co.uk (Stuart Vernon) Newsgroups: alt.healing.reiki Subject: Re: healing trees? Date: Fri, 17 Sep 2004 21:03 +0100 (BST) Lines: 5 Message-ID: References: <414b2b1e$0$69732$ed2619ec@ptn-nntp-reader01.plus.net> Reply-To: stuv@cix.co.uk X-Trace: news.uni-berlin.de GzPVE2cZwDX7oq6tWRXryAkPHfz7enKhc+UQUEmy+XiW848IE= X-News-Software: Ameol2 X-URL: http://www.ameol.com Path: nightfall.franklin.ch!pfaff2.ethz.ch!news-zh.switch.ch!switch.ch!newscore.univie.ac.at!fu-berlin.de!uni-berlin.de!not-for-mail Xref: nightfall.franklin.ch alt.healing.reiki:19396 Nice experience, Dan ... :) Stuart ###### From: "BigMAC" Newsgroups: alt.healing.reiki References: Subject: Re: healing trees? Lines: 29 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.2180 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2180 X-RFC2646: Format=Flowed; Original Message-ID: Date: Sat, 18 Sep 2004 22:36:09 -0400 NNTP-Posting-Host: 64.231.136.197 X-Complaints-To: abuse@sympatico.ca X-Trace: news20.bellglobal.com 1095561369 64.231.136.197 (Sat, 18 Sep 2004 22:36:09 EDT) NNTP-Posting-Date: Sat, 18 Sep 2004 22:36:09 EDT Organization: Bell Sympatico Path: nightfall.franklin.ch!pfaff2.ethz.ch!news-zh.switch.ch!switch.ch!solnet.ch!solnet.ch!news.glorb.com!wns13feed!worldnet.att.net!207.35.177.252!nf3.bellglobal.com!nf1.bellglobal.com!nf2.bellglobal.com!news20.bellglobal.com.POSTED!not-for-mail Xref: nightfall.franklin.ch alt.healing.reiki:19430 well - for one, Helen - you can call up your local town/city dept and they will have someone come out and look at it. it may need an insectaside - or as in Toronto with the Asain Beetle invasion - the tree may simply have to be cut down to avoid this spreading. that would be the pratical thing to do. :-) MAC "Hellen" wrote in message news:BH61d.3$zi01.0@news04.bloor.is.net.cable.rogers.com... > Does anyone have any suggestions to share on how to heal larger trees? I > have a birch in my garden suffering from birch borers (a pest that often > kills birches). I was thinking of sending Reiki to the root, trunk and > branches but have no idea how often to do it or any ideas to be more > efficient. > > Thanks, > > Love & light, > Hellen > > ###### From: "b0b" Newsgroups: alt.healing.reiki Subject: Re: healing trees? Date: Mon, 20 Sep 2004 11:52:22 +0200 Lines: 34 Message-ID: <2r7niuF1756rsU1@uni-berlin.de> References: <2qnuh4F11q3k0U1@uni-berlin.de> <%CE1d.30349$Of3.26323@tornado.tampabay.rr.com> X-Trace: news.uni-berlin.de cMy/O0yWIYl1U5oudeZcyACdRtZLQADPPxD83GdOF+j4acOtpG X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1437 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1441 Path: nightfall.franklin.ch!pfaff2.ethz.ch!news-zh.switch.ch!switch.ch!solnet.ch!solnet.ch!fu-berlin.de!uni-berlin.de!not-for-mail Xref: nightfall.franklin.ch alt.healing.reiki:19491 ShadowWolf, Is it just me, or are you overly negative in your replies to others as well? Your attempts to make nothing of my point of view by directing the thread away from the original message are a little annoying. You could have commented on Celtic Reiki, the reason I pointed to that site in the first place. I also mentioned that I can do the attunements if wanted. I have never charged for an attunement yet. Instead you attack the sale of Karuna Ki Reiki. Perhaps that is a little strange to you, but you charge people for certification! At least they offer something substantial for the money, and not just a GRMA title. You are quite correct in saying...be careful what you pay people for.... b0b "ShadowWolf" wrote in message news:%CE1d.30349$Of3.26323@tornado.tampabay.rr.com... > > http://www.enchanted-earth.co.uk > > Just went for a peek at this site to see what the deal was and could not > help but see that they are charging for what they received free. > Karuna Ki Reiki which was introduced by Vinny as many of you know was and is > supposed to be free. > Be careful what you pay for from some people. > > ###### From: "Joseph" Newsgroups: alt.healing.reiki References: <2qnuh4F11q3k0U1@uni-berlin.de> <%CE1d.30349$Of3.26323@tornado.tampabay.rr.com> <2r7niuF1756rsU1@uni-berlin.de> Subject: Re: healing trees? Lines: 99 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.2180 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2180 X-RFC2646: Format=Flowed; Original Message-ID: Date: Mon, 27 Sep 2004 14:27:23 GMT NNTP-Posting-Host: 68.204.150.54 X-Complaints-To: abuse@rr.com X-Trace: tornado.tampabay.rr.com 1096295243 68.204.150.54 (Mon, 27 Sep 2004 10:27:23 EDT) NNTP-Posting-Date: Mon, 27 Sep 2004 10:27:23 EDT Organization: Road Runner High Speed Online http://www.rr.com Path: nightfall.franklin.ch!pfaff2.ethz.ch!news-zh.switch.ch!switch.ch!solnet.ch!solnet.ch!newsfeed.freenet.de!newsfeed00.sul.t-online.de!t-online.de!border2.nntp.dca.giganews.com!nntp.giganews.com!elnk-atl-nf1!newsfeed.earthlink.net!cyclone.tampabay.rr.com!news-post.tampabay.rr.com!tornado.tampabay.rr.com.POSTED!not-for-mail Xref: nightfall.franklin.ch alt.healing.reiki:19564 bOb I consider myself to be rather positive rather than negative. I also consider myself to be honest rather than deceitful in the Reiki area. For your information before I began to provide a "Free Attunement to Full empowerment in Reiki it was unheard of. I still continue to provide the very same Free attunements. I do not now or have I ever offered free certifications (although in special circumstances I have provided such a service) because certification is only needed when one is planning on using the modality to profit and if someone is planning on profiting why than should I provide the means for them to do so at my expense? Yes there are now many sites offering attunements on the net and some are free also whilst others are not. Karuna-Ki Reiki was never intended to be charged for. That is something that Vinny and I discussed several times when it was decided to offer it because Rands Karuna Reiki system became trademarked it and people were told they could no longer use the name(teach it) but they could change the name, use the material and teach it that way. Vinny added additional material to it and made some changes to it since he and I originally spoke about it. It is clearly written on Vinnie's site that no one is supposed to charge for it as it never had a price on it. And that is my reason for mentioning it. You seem to have a problem with a GRMA title and that is rather funny since you most likely got your training from one of the many thousands who were either trained or certified by the GRMA (either directly or indirectly). You really think that Karuna-Ki Reiki is more substantial than Usui Reiki? Hahahahahahahahaha what a laugh. For your information I have been asked for many years by various people if I thought it was OK for them to make up their own version of Reiki and offer it. My reply? Simple, anyone can do anything they want to do. You know bOb if my method was not any good why have so many people adopted it? It is easy to offer a singular attunement or attunements in levels now but it was not easy or widely acceptable when I started it. Many of the people who first joined with me have since gone back to levels because they can make more money that way. You do not have to like me but you are stuck with me anyhow. I have as much right to pointy out my views as you do to post yours. ShadowWolf "b0b" wrote in message news:2r7niuF1756rsU1@uni-berlin.de... > ShadowWolf, > Is it just me, or are you overly negative > in your replies to others as well? > Your attempts to make nothing of my point of view > by directing the thread away from the original message > are a little annoying. > You could have commented on Celtic Reiki, the reason I > pointed to that site in the first place. I also mentioned > that I can do the attunements if wanted. I have never > charged for an attunement yet. > Instead you attack the sale of Karuna Ki Reiki. > Perhaps that is a little strange to you, but you charge > people for certification! At least they offer something > substantial for the money, and not just a GRMA title. > You are quite correct in saying...be careful what you pay > people for.... > > b0b > > > "ShadowWolf" wrote in message > news:%CE1d.30349$Of3.26323@tornado.tampabay.rr.com... >> > http://www.enchanted-earth.co.uk >> >> Just went for a peek at this site to see what the deal was and could not >> help but see that they are charging for what they received free. >> Karuna Ki Reiki which was introduced by Vinny as many of you know was and > is >> supposed to be free. >> Be careful what you pay for from some people. >> >> > > ###### From: "Broadsider" Newsgroups: alt.healing.reiki Subject: Re: healing trees? Date: Mon, 27 Sep 2004 15:24:27 +0000 (UTC) Organization: BT Openworld Lines: 123 Message-ID: References: <2qnuh4F11q3k0U1@uni-berlin.de> <%CE1d.30349$Of3.26323@tornado.tampabay.rr.com> <2r7niuF1756rsU1@uni-berlin.de> NNTP-Posting-Host: host81-153-125-13.range81-153.btcentralplus.com X-Trace: titan.btinternet.com 1096298667 23446 81.153.125.13 (27 Sep 2004 15:24:27 GMT) X-Complaints-To: news-complaints@lists.btinternet.com NNTP-Posting-Date: Mon, 27 Sep 2004 15:24:27 +0000 (UTC) X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1437 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Priority: 3 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1441 Path: nightfall.franklin.ch!pfaff2.ethz.ch!news-zh.switch.ch!irazu.switch.ch!switch.ch!surfnet.nl!feeder.news.heanet.ie!zen.net.uk!demorgan.zen.co.uk!194.72.9.35.MISMATCH!news-peer1!btnet-feed5!btnet!news.btopenworld.com!not-for-mail Xref: nightfall.franklin.ch alt.healing.reiki:19567 What's this got to do with trees? Broadsider "Joseph" wrote in message news:frV5d.47609$Of3.4643@tornado.tampabay.rr.com... > bOb > > I consider myself to be rather positive rather than negative. > I also consider myself to be honest rather than deceitful in the Reiki area. > > For your information before I began to provide a "Free Attunement to Full > empowerment in Reiki it was unheard of. > I still continue to provide the very same Free attunements. > > I do not now or have I ever offered free certifications (although in special > circumstances I have provided such a service) because certification is only > needed when one is planning on using the modality to profit and if someone > is planning on profiting why than should I provide the means for them to do > so at my expense? > > Yes there are now many sites offering attunements on the net and some are > free also whilst others are not. > > Karuna-Ki Reiki was never intended to be charged for. That is something that > Vinny and I discussed several times when it was decided to offer it because > Rands Karuna Reiki system became trademarked it and people were told they > could no longer use the name(teach it) but they could change the name, use > the material and teach it that way. > > Vinny added additional material to it and made some changes to it since he > and I originally spoke about it. > It is clearly written on Vinnie's site that no one is supposed to charge for > it as it never had a price on it. > And that is my reason for mentioning it. > > You seem to have a problem with a GRMA title and that is rather funny since > you most likely got your training from one of the many thousands who were > either trained or certified by the GRMA (either directly or indirectly). > > You really think that Karuna-Ki Reiki is more substantial than Usui Reiki? > Hahahahahahahahaha what a laugh. > For your information I have been asked for many years by various people if I > thought it was OK for them to make up their own version of Reiki and offer > it. > My reply? > Simple, anyone can do anything they want to do. > You know bOb if my method was not any good why have so many people adopted > it? > > It is easy to offer a singular attunement or attunements in levels now but > it was not easy or widely acceptable when I started it. > Many of the people who first joined with me have since gone back to levels > because they can make more money that way. > > You do not have to like me but you are stuck with me anyhow. > I have as much right to pointy out my views as you do to post yours. > > ShadowWolf > > > > > > > > > "b0b" wrote in message > news:2r7niuF1756rsU1@uni-berlin.de... > > ShadowWolf, > > Is it just me, or are you overly negative > > in your replies to others as well? > > Your attempts to make nothing of my point of view > > by directing the thread away from the original message > > are a little annoying. > > You could have commented on Celtic Reiki, the reason I > > pointed to that site in the first place. I also mentioned > > that I can do the attunements if wanted. I have never > > charged for an attunement yet. > > Instead you attack the sale of Karuna Ki Reiki. > > Perhaps that is a little strange to you, but you charge > > people for certification! At least they offer something > > substantial for the money, and not just a GRMA title. > > You are quite correct in saying...be careful what you pay > > people for.... > > > > b0b > > > > > > "ShadowWolf" wrote in message > > news:%CE1d.30349$Of3.26323@tornado.tampabay.rr.com... > >> > http://www.enchanted-earth.co.uk > >> > >> Just went for a peek at this site to see what the deal was and could not > >> help but see that they are charging for what they received free. > >> Karuna Ki Reiki which was introduced by Vinny as many of you know was and > > is > >> supposed to be free. > >> Be careful what you pay for from some people. > >> > >> > > > > > > --- Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free. Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). Version: 6.0.768 / Virus Database: 515 - Release Date: 22/09/2004 ###### From: suzee Newsgroups: alt.healing.reiki Subject: Re: healing trees? Date: Mon, 27 Sep 2004 13:56:38 -0400 Organization: Michigan State University Lines: 8 Message-ID: <41585456.767431B7@imbris.com> References: <2qnuh4F11q3k0U1@uni-berlin.de> <%CE1d.30349$Of3.26323@tornado.tampabay.rr.com> <2r7niuF1756rsU1@uni-berlin.de> Reply-To: qiuser@yahoo.com NNTP-Posting-Host: 207.179.65.221 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-AUTHid: fordkenn X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.78 [en] (Win98; U) X-Accept-Language: en Path: nightfall.franklin.ch!pfaff2.ethz.ch!news-zh.switch.ch!irazu.switch.ch!switch.ch!newsfeed00.sul.t-online.de!t-online.de!news.glorb.com!solaris.cc.vt.edu!news.vt.edu!msunews!not-for-mail Xref: nightfall.franklin.ch alt.healing.reiki:19570 Broadsider wrote: > > What's this got to do with trees? > Thread drift.... sue ###### From: "Broadsider" Newsgroups: alt.healing.reiki Subject: Re: healing trees? Date: Tue, 28 Sep 2004 07:15:33 +0000 (UTC) Organization: BT Openworld Lines: 22 Message-ID: References: <2qnuh4F11q3k0U1@uni-berlin.de> <%CE1d.30349$Of3.26323@tornado.tampabay.rr.com> <2r7niuF1756rsU1@uni-berlin.de> <41585456.767431B7@imbris.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: host81-153-125-160.range81-153.btcentralplus.com X-Trace: hercules.btinternet.com 1096355733 28196 81.153.125.160 (28 Sep 2004 07:15:33 GMT) X-Complaints-To: news-complaints@lists.btinternet.com NNTP-Posting-Date: Tue, 28 Sep 2004 07:15:33 +0000 (UTC) X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1437 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Priority: 3 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1441 Path: nightfall.franklin.ch!pfaff2.ethz.ch!news-zh.switch.ch!irazu.switch.ch!switch.ch!news.belwue.de!feed.news.tiscali.de!newsfeed.icl.net!newsfeed.fjserv.net!newsfeed.wirehub.nl!194.72.7.126.MISMATCH!news-peer-test!news-peer0-test!news-peer1!btnet-feed5!btnet!news.btopenworld.com!not-for-mail Xref: nightfall.franklin.ch alt.healing.reiki:19576 "suzee" wrote in message news:41585456.767431B7@imbris.com... > Broadsider wrote: > > > > What's this got to do with trees? > > > Thread drift.... > > sue > Sounds awful. I hope I don't get it! Mike H --- Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free. Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). Version: 6.0.768 / Virus Database: 515 - Release Date: 22/09/2004 ###### From: "ShadowWolf" Newsgroups: alt.healing.reiki References: <2qnuh4F11q3k0U1@uni-berlin.de> <%CE1d.30349$Of3.26323@tornado.tampabay.rr.com> <2r7niuF1756rsU1@uni-berlin.de> Subject: Re: healing trees? Lines: 155 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.2180 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2180 X-RFC2646: Format=Flowed; Original Message-ID: Date: Tue, 28 Sep 2004 13:39:50 GMT NNTP-Posting-Host: 68.204.150.54 X-Complaints-To: abuse@rr.com X-Trace: tornado.tampabay.rr.com 1096378790 68.204.150.54 (Tue, 28 Sep 2004 09:39:50 EDT) NNTP-Posting-Date: Tue, 28 Sep 2004 09:39:50 EDT Organization: Road Runner High Speed Online http://www.rr.com Path: nightfall.franklin.ch!pfaff2.ethz.ch!news-zh.switch.ch!irazu.switch.ch!switch.ch!newsfeed00.sul.t-online.de!t-online.de!border2.nntp.dca.giganews.com!nntp.giganews.com!elnk-atl-nf1!newsfeed.earthlink.net!cyclone.tampabay.rr.com!news-post.tampabay.rr.com!tornado.tampabay.rr.com.POSTED!not-for-mail Xref: nightfall.franklin.ch alt.healing.reiki:19584 Reply too- "Broadsider" wrote in message news:cj9bba$msm$1@titan.btinternet.com... > What's this got to do with trees? > > Broadsider Sould be simple enough to see that the message was a reply to one from bOb directed to me. If you need additional help in following trends as they develope please do ask again. But in case you still do not get it try a reading comprehension program. My message was directed at a portion of bOb's message which referred to a specific site which he felt was important to the message he was writing. I saw material that was offered freely to all people being offered for a price which was against the desires of the Originator. So I choose to mention it. If you have a problem with sharing truth that is your choice. Namaste' ShadowWolf > "Joseph" wrote in message > news:frV5d.47609$Of3.4643@tornado.tampabay.rr.com... >> bOb >> >> I consider myself to be rather positive rather than negative. >> I also consider myself to be honest rather than deceitful in the Reiki > area. >> >> For your information before I began to provide a "Free Attunement to Full >> empowerment in Reiki it was unheard of. >> I still continue to provide the very same Free attunements. >> >> I do not now or have I ever offered free certifications (although in > special >> circumstances I have provided such a service) because certification is > only >> needed when one is planning on using the modality to profit and if >> someone >> is planning on profiting why than should I provide the means for them to > do >> so at my expense? >> >> Yes there are now many sites offering attunements on the net and some are >> free also whilst others are not. >> >> Karuna-Ki Reiki was never intended to be charged for. That is something > that >> Vinny and I discussed several times when it was decided to offer it > because >> Rands Karuna Reiki system became trademarked it and people were told they >> could no longer use the name(teach it) but they could change the name, >> use >> the material and teach it that way. >> >> Vinny added additional material to it and made some changes to it since >> he >> and I originally spoke about it. >> It is clearly written on Vinnie's site that no one is supposed to charge > for >> it as it never had a price on it. >> And that is my reason for mentioning it. >> >> You seem to have a problem with a GRMA title and that is rather funny > since >> you most likely got your training from one of the many thousands who were >> either trained or certified by the GRMA (either directly or indirectly). >> >> You really think that Karuna-Ki Reiki is more substantial than Usui >> Reiki? >> Hahahahahahahahaha what a laugh. >> For your information I have been asked for many years by various people >> if > I >> thought it was OK for them to make up their own version of Reiki and >> offer >> it. >> My reply? >> Simple, anyone can do anything they want to do. >> You know bOb if my method was not any good why have so many people >> adopted >> it? >> >> It is easy to offer a singular attunement or attunements in levels now >> but >> it was not easy or widely acceptable when I started it. >> Many of the people who first joined with me have since gone back to >> levels >> because they can make more money that way. >> >> You do not have to like me but you are stuck with me anyhow. >> I have as much right to pointy out my views as you do to post yours. >> >> ShadowWolf >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> "b0b" wrote in message >> news:2r7niuF1756rsU1@uni-berlin.de... >> > ShadowWolf, >> > Is it just me, or are you overly negative >> > in your replies to others as well? >> > Your attempts to make nothing of my point of view >> > by directing the thread away from the original message >> > are a little annoying. >> > You could have commented on Celtic Reiki, the reason I >> > pointed to that site in the first place. I also mentioned >> > that I can do the attunements if wanted. I have never >> > charged for an attunement yet. >> > Instead you attack the sale of Karuna Ki Reiki. >> > Perhaps that is a little strange to you, but you charge >> > people for certification! At least they offer something >> > substantial for the money, and not just a GRMA title. >> > You are quite correct in saying...be careful what you pay >> > people for.... >> > >> > b0b >> > >> > >> > "ShadowWolf" wrote in message >> > news:%CE1d.30349$Of3.26323@tornado.tampabay.rr.com... >> >> > http://www.enchanted-earth.co.uk >> >> >> >> Just went for a peek at this site to see what the deal was and could > not >> >> help but see that they are charging for what they received free. >> >> Karuna Ki Reiki which was introduced by Vinny as many of you know was > and >> > is >> >> supposed to be free. >> >> Be careful what you pay for from some people. >> >> >> >> >> > >> > >> >> > > > --- > Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free. > Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). > Version: 6.0.768 / Virus Database: 515 - Release Date: 22/09/2004 > > ###### From: "Broadsider" Newsgroups: alt.healing.reiki Subject: Re: healing trees? Date: Tue, 28 Sep 2004 17:37:05 +0000 (UTC) Organization: BT Openworld Lines: 181 Message-ID: References: <2qnuh4F11q3k0U1@uni-berlin.de> <%CE1d.30349$Of3.26323@tornado.tampabay.rr.com> <2r7niuF1756rsU1@uni-berlin.de> NNTP-Posting-Host: host81-153-125-160.range81-153.btcentralplus.com X-Trace: titan.btinternet.com 1096393025 7808 81.153.125.160 (28 Sep 2004 17:37:05 GMT) X-Complaints-To: news-complaints@lists.btinternet.com NNTP-Posting-Date: Tue, 28 Sep 2004 17:37:05 +0000 (UTC) X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1437 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Priority: 3 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1441 Path: nightfall.franklin.ch!pfaff2.ethz.ch!news-zh.switch.ch!switch.ch!solnet.ch!solnet.ch!newsfeed.wirehub.nl!easynet-monga!easynet.net!zen.net.uk!demorgan.zen.co.uk!194.72.9.35.MISMATCH!news-peer1!btnet-feed5!btnet!news.btopenworld.com!not-for-mail Xref: nightfall.franklin.ch alt.healing.reiki:19590 ShadowWolf I apologise that my attempt at humour did not go down well with you. I shall be more careful in future. Broadsider "ShadowWolf" wrote in message news:GQd6d.58512$uN5.1076@tornado.tampabay.rr.com... > Reply too- > "Broadsider" wrote in message > news:cj9bba$msm$1@titan.btinternet.com... > > What's this got to do with trees? > > > > Broadsider > Sould be simple enough to see that the message was a reply to one from bOb > directed to me. > If you need additional help in following trends as they develope please do > ask again. > > But in case you still do not get it try a reading comprehension program. My > message was directed at a portion of bOb's message which referred to a > specific site which he felt was important to the message he was writing. > I saw material that was offered freely to all people being offered for a > price which was against the desires of the Originator. So I choose to > mention it. > > If you have a problem with sharing truth that is your choice. > Namaste' > ShadowWolf > > > > > "Joseph" wrote in message > > news:frV5d.47609$Of3.4643@tornado.tampabay.rr.com... > >> bOb > >> > >> I consider myself to be rather positive rather than negative. > >> I also consider myself to be honest rather than deceitful in the Reiki > > area. > >> > >> For your information before I began to provide a "Free Attunement to Full > >> empowerment in Reiki it was unheard of. > >> I still continue to provide the very same Free attunements. > >> > >> I do not now or have I ever offered free certifications (although in > > special > >> circumstances I have provided such a service) because certification is > > only > >> needed when one is planning on using the modality to profit and if > >> someone > >> is planning on profiting why than should I provide the means for them to > > do > >> so at my expense? > >> > >> Yes there are now many sites offering attunements on the net and some are > >> free also whilst others are not. > >> > >> Karuna-Ki Reiki was never intended to be charged for. That is something > > that > >> Vinny and I discussed several times when it was decided to offer it > > because > >> Rands Karuna Reiki system became trademarked it and people were told they > >> could no longer use the name(teach it) but they could change the name, > >> use > >> the material and teach it that way. > >> > >> Vinny added additional material to it and made some changes to it since > >> he > >> and I originally spoke about it. > >> It is clearly written on Vinnie's site that no one is supposed to charge > > for > >> it as it never had a price on it. > >> And that is my reason for mentioning it. > >> > >> You seem to have a problem with a GRMA title and that is rather funny > > since > >> you most likely got your training from one of the many thousands who were > >> either trained or certified by the GRMA (either directly or indirectly). > >> > >> You really think that Karuna-Ki Reiki is more substantial than Usui > >> Reiki? > >> Hahahahahahahahaha what a laugh. > >> For your information I have been asked for many years by various people > >> if > > I > >> thought it was OK for them to make up their own version of Reiki and > >> offer > >> it. > >> My reply? > >> Simple, anyone can do anything they want to do. > >> You know bOb if my method was not any good why have so many people > >> adopted > >> it? > >> > >> It is easy to offer a singular attunement or attunements in levels now > >> but > >> it was not easy or widely acceptable when I started it. > >> Many of the people who first joined with me have since gone back to > >> levels > >> because they can make more money that way. > >> > >> You do not have to like me but you are stuck with me anyhow. > >> I have as much right to pointy out my views as you do to post yours. > >> > >> ShadowWolf > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> "b0b" wrote in message > >> news:2r7niuF1756rsU1@uni-berlin.de... > >> > ShadowWolf, > >> > Is it just me, or are you overly negative > >> > in your replies to others as well? > >> > Your attempts to make nothing of my point of view > >> > by directing the thread away from the original message > >> > are a little annoying. > >> > You could have commented on Celtic Reiki, the reason I > >> > pointed to that site in the first place. I also mentioned > >> > that I can do the attunements if wanted. I have never > >> > charged for an attunement yet. > >> > Instead you attack the sale of Karuna Ki Reiki. > >> > Perhaps that is a little strange to you, but you charge > >> > people for certification! At least they offer something > >> > substantial for the money, and not just a GRMA title. > >> > You are quite correct in saying...be careful what you pay > >> > people for.... > >> > > >> > b0b > >> > > >> > > >> > "ShadowWolf" wrote in message > >> > news:%CE1d.30349$Of3.26323@tornado.tampabay.rr.com... > >> >> > http://www.enchanted-earth.co.uk > >> >> > >> >> Just went for a peek at this site to see what the deal was and could > > not > >> >> help but see that they are charging for what they received free. > >> >> Karuna Ki Reiki which was introduced by Vinny as many of you know was > > and > >> > is > >> >> supposed to be free. > >> >> Be careful what you pay for from some people. > >> >> > >> >> > >> > > >> > > >> > >> > > > > > > --- > > Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free. > > Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). > > Version: 6.0.768 / Virus Database: 515 - Release Date: 22/09/2004 > > > > > > --- Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free. Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). Version: 6.0.768 / Virus Database: 515 - Release Date: 22/09/2004 ###### From: stuv@cix.co.uk (Stuart Vernon) Newsgroups: alt.healing.reiki Subject: Re: healing trees? Date: Tue, 28 Sep 2004 19:44 +0100 (BST) Lines: 13 Message-ID: References: Reply-To: stuv@cix.co.uk X-Trace: news.uni-berlin.de Z7nBokjsboQkX9DrH4PIyAjJOtew1RJRH9IPc2RTn7IMMzWvE= X-News-Software: Ameol2 X-URL: http://www.ameol.com Path: nightfall.franklin.ch!pfaff2.ethz.ch!news-zh.switch.ch!switch.ch!solnet.ch!solnet.ch!fu-berlin.de!uni-berlin.de!not-for-mail Xref: nightfall.franklin.ch alt.healing.reiki:19591 (Broadsider) wrote: > ShadowWolf > > I apologise that my attempt at humour did not go down well with you. > I shall be more careful in future. > > Broadsider I'm crying here ... :) Stuart ###### From: gdwill@earthlink.net (Garry Williams) Newsgroups: alt.healing.reiki Subject: Re: healing trees? Date: Wed, 29 Sep 2004 12:09:45 GMT Lines: 11 Message-ID: <415aa5e3.1250167@news.Individual.NET> References: Reply-To: gdwill@earthlink.net X-Trace: news.uni-berlin.de vDxFLsMBXuA/jxY+xrCixwMmtcSJUir8JJTlYFedrMXC3PsPgS X-Newsreader: Forte Free Agent 1.11/32.235 Path: nightfall.franklin.ch!pfaff2.ethz.ch!news-zh.switch.ch!switch.ch!solnet.ch!solnet.ch!fu-berlin.de!uni-berlin.de!not-for-mail Xref: nightfall.franklin.ch alt.healing.reiki:19598 On Tue, 28 Sep 2004 19:44 +0100 (BST), stuv@cix.co.uk (Stuart Vernon) wrote: >I'm crying here ... :) ...Cry me a river... Garry ;-) ###### From: "Broadsider" Newsgroups: alt.healing.reiki Subject: Re: healing trees? Date: Wed, 29 Sep 2004 16:33:33 +0000 (UTC) Organization: BT Openworld Lines: 26 Message-ID: References: <415aa5e3.1250167@news.Individual.NET> NNTP-Posting-Host: host81-153-125-237.range81-153.btcentralplus.com X-Trace: sparta.btinternet.com 1096475613 4341 81.153.125.237 (29 Sep 2004 16:33:33 GMT) X-Complaints-To: news-complaints@lists.btinternet.com NNTP-Posting-Date: Wed, 29 Sep 2004 16:33:33 +0000 (UTC) X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1437 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Priority: 3 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1441 Path: nightfall.franklin.ch!pfaff2.ethz.ch!news-zh.switch.ch!switch.ch!solnet.ch!solnet.ch!newsfeed.tiscali.ch!npeer.de.kpn-eurorings.net!dedekind.zen.co.uk!zen.net.uk!demorgan.zen.co.uk!194.72.9.35.MISMATCH!news-peer1!btnet-feed5!btnet!news.btopenworld.com!not-for-mail Xref: nightfall.franklin.ch alt.healing.reiki:19606 "Garry Williams" wrote in message news:415aa5e3.1250167@news.Individual.NET... > On Tue, 28 Sep 2004 19:44 +0100 (BST), stuv@cix.co.uk (Stuart Vernon) > wrote: > > >I'm crying here ... :) > > > > ...Cry me a river... > > Garry ;-) Whoa, now. What's wrong with a bit of sincerity, may I ask? Broadsider > --- Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free. Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). Version: 6.0.768 / Virus Database: 515 - Release Date: 22/09/2004 ###### From: "b0b" Newsgroups: alt.healing.reiki Subject: Re: healing trees? Date: Thu, 30 Sep 2004 12:18:17 +0200 Lines: 125 Message-ID: <2s24rfF1g5nffU1@uni-berlin.de> References: <2qnuh4F11q3k0U1@uni-berlin.de> <%CE1d.30349$Of3.26323@tornado.tampabay.rr.com> <2r7niuF1756rsU1@uni-berlin.de> X-Trace: news.uni-berlin.de dRkJWLnlq5eku+DXL+TWuA735xLtt8FwuILIQUc7rj6Nv7V0BL X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1437 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1441 Path: nightfall.franklin.ch!pfaff2.ethz.ch!news-zh.switch.ch!switch.ch!solnet.ch!solnet.ch!fu-berlin.de!uni-berlin.de!not-for-mail Xref: nightfall.franklin.ch alt.healing.reiki:19620 Well, you said a whole lot again....to avoid commenting on the original issue and give yourself more free advertising... The point, was Celtic Reiki.....but you know that don't you.... b0b "Joseph" wrote in message news:frV5d.47609$Of3.4643@tornado.tampabay.rr.com... > bOb > > I consider myself to be rather positive rather than negative. > I also consider myself to be honest rather than deceitful in the Reiki area. > > For your information before I began to provide a "Free Attunement to Full > empowerment in Reiki it was unheard of. > I still continue to provide the very same Free attunements. > > I do not now or have I ever offered free certifications (although in special > circumstances I have provided such a service) because certification is only > needed when one is planning on using the modality to profit and if someone > is planning on profiting why than should I provide the means for them to do > so at my expense? > > Yes there are now many sites offering attunements on the net and some are > free also whilst others are not. > > Karuna-Ki Reiki was never intended to be charged for. That is something that > Vinny and I discussed several times when it was decided to offer it because > Rands Karuna Reiki system became trademarked it and people were told they > could no longer use the name(teach it) but they could change the name, use > the material and teach it that way. > > Vinny added additional material to it and made some changes to it since he > and I originally spoke about it. > It is clearly written on Vinnie's site that no one is supposed to charge for > it as it never had a price on it. > And that is my reason for mentioning it. > > You seem to have a problem with a GRMA title and that is rather funny since > you most likely got your training from one of the many thousands who were > either trained or certified by the GRMA (either directly or indirectly). > > You really think that Karuna-Ki Reiki is more substantial than Usui Reiki? > Hahahahahahahahaha what a laugh. > For your information I have been asked for many years by various people if I > thought it was OK for them to make up their own version of Reiki and offer > it. > My reply? > Simple, anyone can do anything they want to do. > You know bOb if my method was not any good why have so many people adopted > it? > > It is easy to offer a singular attunement or attunements in levels now but > it was not easy or widely acceptable when I started it. > Many of the people who first joined with me have since gone back to levels > because they can make more money that way. > > You do not have to like me but you are stuck with me anyhow. > I have as much right to pointy out my views as you do to post yours. > > ShadowWolf > > > > > > > > > "b0b" wrote in message > news:2r7niuF1756rsU1@uni-berlin.de... > > ShadowWolf, > > Is it just me, or are you overly negative > > in your replies to others as well? > > Your attempts to make nothing of my point of view > > by directing the thread away from the original message > > are a little annoying. > > You could have commented on Celtic Reiki, the reason I > > pointed to that site in the first place. I also mentioned > > that I can do the attunements if wanted. I have never > > charged for an attunement yet. > > Instead you attack the sale of Karuna Ki Reiki. > > Perhaps that is a little strange to you, but you charge > > people for certification! At least they offer something > > substantial for the money, and not just a GRMA title. > > You are quite correct in saying...be careful what you pay > > people for.... > > > > b0b > > > > > > "ShadowWolf" wrote in message > > news:%CE1d.30349$Of3.26323@tornado.tampabay.rr.com... > >> > http://www.enchanted-earth.co.uk > >> > >> Just went for a peek at this site to see what the deal was and could not > >> help but see that they are charging for what they received free. > >> Karuna Ki Reiki which was introduced by Vinny as many of you know was and > > is > >> supposed to be free. > >> Be careful what you pay for from some people. > >> > >> > > > > > > ###### From: "Joseph" Newsgroups: alt.healing.reiki References: <2qnuh4F11q3k0U1@uni-berlin.de> <%CE1d.30349$Of3.26323@tornado.tampabay.rr.com> <2r7niuF1756rsU1@uni-berlin.de> Subject: Re: healing trees? Lines: 197 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.2180 X-RFC2646: Format=Flowed; Original X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2180 Message-ID: Date: Thu, 30 Sep 2004 14:24:20 GMT NNTP-Posting-Host: 68.204.150.54 X-Complaints-To: abuse@rr.com X-Trace: tornado.tampabay.rr.com 1096554260 68.204.150.54 (Thu, 30 Sep 2004 10:24:20 EDT) NNTP-Posting-Date: Thu, 30 Sep 2004 10:24:20 EDT Organization: Road Runner High Speed Online http://www.rr.com Path: nightfall.franklin.ch!pfaff2.ethz.ch!news-zh.switch.ch!switch.ch!solnet.ch!solnet.ch!news.glorb.com!newsfeed-east.nntpserver.com!nntpserver.com!news-west.rr.com!news.rr.com!cyclone.kc.rr.com!cyclone2.kc.rr.com!news2.kc.rr.com!news-post.tampabay.rr.com!tornado.tampabay.rr.com.POSTED!not-for-mail Xref: nightfall.franklin.ch alt.healing.reiki:19629 I think I missed the humour... and I thought I liked laughing.. Sorry if I was slow in catching it. \ ShadowWolf "Broadsider" wrote in message news:cjc7g0$7k0$1@titan.btinternet.com... > ShadowWolf > > I apologise that my attempt at humour did not go down well with you. I > shall > be more careful in future. > > Broadsider > > "ShadowWolf" wrote in message > news:GQd6d.58512$uN5.1076@tornado.tampabay.rr.com... >> Reply too- >> "Broadsider" wrote in message >> news:cj9bba$msm$1@titan.btinternet.com... >> > What's this got to do with trees? >> > >> > Broadsider >> Sould be simple enough to see that the message was a reply to one from >> bOb >> directed to me. >> If you need additional help in following trends as they develope please >> do >> ask again. >> >> But in case you still do not get it try a reading comprehension program. > My >> message was directed at a portion of bOb's message which referred to a >> specific site which he felt was important to the message he was writing. >> I saw material that was offered freely to all people being offered for a >> price which was against the desires of the Originator. So I choose to >> mention it. >> >> If you have a problem with sharing truth that is your choice. >> Namaste' >> ShadowWolf >> >> >> >> > "Joseph" wrote in message >> > news:frV5d.47609$Of3.4643@tornado.tampabay.rr.com... >> >> bOb >> >> >> >> I consider myself to be rather positive rather than negative. >> >> I also consider myself to be honest rather than deceitful in the Reiki >> > area. >> >> >> >> For your information before I began to provide a "Free Attunement to > Full >> >> empowerment in Reiki it was unheard of. >> >> I still continue to provide the very same Free attunements. >> >> >> >> I do not now or have I ever offered free certifications (although in >> > special >> >> circumstances I have provided such a service) because certification is >> > only >> >> needed when one is planning on using the modality to profit and if >> >> someone >> >> is planning on profiting why than should I provide the means for them > to >> > do >> >> so at my expense? >> >> >> >> Yes there are now many sites offering attunements on the net and some > are >> >> free also whilst others are not. >> >> >> >> Karuna-Ki Reiki was never intended to be charged for. That is >> >> something >> > that >> >> Vinny and I discussed several times when it was decided to offer it >> > because >> >> Rands Karuna Reiki system became trademarked it and people were told > they >> >> could no longer use the name(teach it) but they could change the name, >> >> use >> >> the material and teach it that way. >> >> >> >> Vinny added additional material to it and made some changes to it >> >> since >> >> he >> >> and I originally spoke about it. >> >> It is clearly written on Vinnie's site that no one is supposed to > charge >> > for >> >> it as it never had a price on it. >> >> And that is my reason for mentioning it. >> >> >> >> You seem to have a problem with a GRMA title and that is rather funny >> > since >> >> you most likely got your training from one of the many thousands who > were >> >> either trained or certified by the GRMA (either directly or > indirectly). >> >> >> >> You really think that Karuna-Ki Reiki is more substantial than Usui >> >> Reiki? >> >> Hahahahahahahahaha what a laugh. >> >> For your information I have been asked for many years by various >> >> people >> >> if >> > I >> >> thought it was OK for them to make up their own version of Reiki and >> >> offer >> >> it. >> >> My reply? >> >> Simple, anyone can do anything they want to do. >> >> You know bOb if my method was not any good why have so many people >> >> adopted >> >> it? >> >> >> >> It is easy to offer a singular attunement or attunements in levels now >> >> but >> >> it was not easy or widely acceptable when I started it. >> >> Many of the people who first joined with me have since gone back to >> >> levels >> >> because they can make more money that way. >> >> >> >> You do not have to like me but you are stuck with me anyhow. >> >> I have as much right to pointy out my views as you do to post yours. >> >> >> >> ShadowWolf >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> "b0b" wrote in message >> >> news:2r7niuF1756rsU1@uni-berlin.de... >> >> > ShadowWolf, >> >> > Is it just me, or are you overly negative >> >> > in your replies to others as well? >> >> > Your attempts to make nothing of my point of view >> >> > by directing the thread away from the original message >> >> > are a little annoying. >> >> > You could have commented on Celtic Reiki, the reason I >> >> > pointed to that site in the first place. I also mentioned >> >> > that I can do the attunements if wanted. I have never >> >> > charged for an attunement yet. >> >> > Instead you attack the sale of Karuna Ki Reiki. >> >> > Perhaps that is a little strange to you, but you charge >> >> > people for certification! At least they offer something >> >> > substantial for the money, and not just a GRMA title. >> >> > You are quite correct in saying...be careful what you pay >> >> > people for.... >> >> > >> >> > b0b >> >> > >> >> > >> >> > "ShadowWolf" wrote in message >> >> > news:%CE1d.30349$Of3.26323@tornado.tampabay.rr.com... >> >> >> > http://www.enchanted-earth.co.uk >> >> >> >> >> >> Just went for a peek at this site to see what the deal was and >> >> >> could >> > not >> >> >> help but see that they are charging for what they received free. >> >> >> Karuna Ki Reiki which was introduced by Vinny as many of you know > was >> > and >> >> > is >> >> >> supposed to be free. >> >> >> Be careful what you pay for from some people. >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> > >> >> > >> >> >> >> >> > >> > >> > --- >> > Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free. >> > Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). >> > Version: 6.0.768 / Virus Database: 515 - Release Date: 22/09/2004 >> > >> > >> >> > > > --- > Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free. > Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). > Version: 6.0.768 / Virus Database: 515 - Release Date: 22/09/2004 > > ###### From: "Joseph" Newsgroups: alt.healing.reiki References: <415aa5e3.1250167@news.Individual.NET> Subject: Re: healing trees? 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ShadowWolf "Broadsider" wrote in message news:cjeo4t$47l$1@sparta.btinternet.com... > > "Garry Williams" wrote in message > news:415aa5e3.1250167@news.Individual.NET... >> On Tue, 28 Sep 2004 19:44 +0100 (BST), stuv@cix.co.uk (Stuart Vernon) >> wrote: >> >> >I'm crying here ... :) >> >> >> >> ...Cry me a river... >> >> Garry ;-) > > Whoa, now. What's wrong with a bit of sincerity, may I ask? > > Broadsider >> > > > --- > Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free. > Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). > Version: 6.0.768 / Virus Database: 515 - Release Date: 22/09/2004 > > ###### From: "Broadsider" Newsgroups: alt.healing.reiki Subject: Re: healing trees? Date: Thu, 30 Sep 2004 15:45:40 +0000 (UTC) Organization: BT Openworld Lines: 222 Message-ID: References: <2qnuh4F11q3k0U1@uni-berlin.de> <%CE1d.30349$Of3.26323@tornado.tampabay.rr.com> <2r7niuF1756rsU1@uni-berlin.de> NNTP-Posting-Host: host81-153-125-207.range81-153.btcentralplus.com X-Trace: sparta.btinternet.com 1096559140 4918 81.153.125.207 (30 Sep 2004 15:45:40 GMT) X-Complaints-To: news-complaints@lists.btinternet.com NNTP-Posting-Date: Thu, 30 Sep 2004 15:45:40 +0000 (UTC) X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1437 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Priority: 3 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1441 Path: nightfall.franklin.ch!pfaff2.ethz.ch!news-zh.switch.ch!irazu.switch.ch!switch.ch!in.100proofnews.com!in.100proofnews.com!newsfeed.mesh.ad.jp!newsfeed.media.kyoto-u.ac.jp!news-peer1!btnet-feed5!btnet!news.btopenworld.com!not-for-mail Xref: nightfall.franklin.ch alt.healing.reiki:19631 Humour loses something in NG's because the body language and voice tone are missing. I think it's best for me to stick to the "Have you heard the one about..." jokes from now on. :-) Broadsider "Joseph" wrote in message news:oGU6d.36390$Si.20786@tornado.tampabay.rr.com... > I think I missed the humour... and I thought I liked laughing.. > Sorry if I was slow in catching it. > \ > ShadowWolf > > "Broadsider" wrote in message > news:cjc7g0$7k0$1@titan.btinternet.com... > > ShadowWolf > > > > I apologise that my attempt at humour did not go down well with you. I > > shall > > be more careful in future. > > > > Broadsider > > > > "ShadowWolf" wrote in message > > news:GQd6d.58512$uN5.1076@tornado.tampabay.rr.com... > >> Reply too- > >> "Broadsider" wrote in message > >> news:cj9bba$msm$1@titan.btinternet.com... > >> > What's this got to do with trees? > >> > > >> > Broadsider > >> Sould be simple enough to see that the message was a reply to one from > >> bOb > >> directed to me. > >> If you need additional help in following trends as they develope please > >> do > >> ask again. > >> > >> But in case you still do not get it try a reading comprehension program. > > My > >> message was directed at a portion of bOb's message which referred to a > >> specific site which he felt was important to the message he was writing. > >> I saw material that was offered freely to all people being offered for a > >> price which was against the desires of the Originator. So I choose to > >> mention it. > >> > >> If you have a problem with sharing truth that is your choice. > >> Namaste' > >> ShadowWolf > >> > >> > >> > >> > "Joseph" wrote in message > >> > news:frV5d.47609$Of3.4643@tornado.tampabay.rr.com... > >> >> bOb > >> >> > >> >> I consider myself to be rather positive rather than negative. > >> >> I also consider myself to be honest rather than deceitful in the Reiki > >> > area. > >> >> > >> >> For your information before I began to provide a "Free Attunement to > > Full > >> >> empowerment in Reiki it was unheard of. > >> >> I still continue to provide the very same Free attunements. > >> >> > >> >> I do not now or have I ever offered free certifications (although in > >> > special > >> >> circumstances I have provided such a service) because certification is > >> > only > >> >> needed when one is planning on using the modality to profit and if > >> >> someone > >> >> is planning on profiting why than should I provide the means for them > > to > >> > do > >> >> so at my expense? > >> >> > >> >> Yes there are now many sites offering attunements on the net and some > > are > >> >> free also whilst others are not. > >> >> > >> >> Karuna-Ki Reiki was never intended to be charged for. That is > >> >> something > >> > that > >> >> Vinny and I discussed several times when it was decided to offer it > >> > because > >> >> Rands Karuna Reiki system became trademarked it and people were told > > they > >> >> could no longer use the name(teach it) but they could change the name, > >> >> use > >> >> the material and teach it that way. > >> >> > >> >> Vinny added additional material to it and made some changes to it > >> >> since > >> >> he > >> >> and I originally spoke about it. > >> >> It is clearly written on Vinnie's site that no one is supposed to > > charge > >> > for > >> >> it as it never had a price on it. > >> >> And that is my reason for mentioning it. > >> >> > >> >> You seem to have a problem with a GRMA title and that is rather funny > >> > since > >> >> you most likely got your training from one of the many thousands who > > were > >> >> either trained or certified by the GRMA (either directly or > > indirectly). > >> >> > >> >> You really think that Karuna-Ki Reiki is more substantial than Usui > >> >> Reiki? > >> >> Hahahahahahahahaha what a laugh. > >> >> For your information I have been asked for many years by various > >> >> people > >> >> if > >> > I > >> >> thought it was OK for them to make up their own version of Reiki and > >> >> offer > >> >> it. > >> >> My reply? > >> >> Simple, anyone can do anything they want to do. > >> >> You know bOb if my method was not any good why have so many people > >> >> adopted > >> >> it? > >> >> > >> >> It is easy to offer a singular attunement or attunements in levels now > >> >> but > >> >> it was not easy or widely acceptable when I started it. > >> >> Many of the people who first joined with me have since gone back to > >> >> levels > >> >> because they can make more money that way. > >> >> > >> >> You do not have to like me but you are stuck with me anyhow. > >> >> I have as much right to pointy out my views as you do to post yours. > >> >> > >> >> ShadowWolf > >> >> > >> >> > >> >> > >> >> > >> >> > >> >> > >> >> > >> >> > >> >> "b0b" wrote in message > >> >> news:2r7niuF1756rsU1@uni-berlin.de... > >> >> > ShadowWolf, > >> >> > Is it just me, or are you overly negative > >> >> > in your replies to others as well? > >> >> > Your attempts to make nothing of my point of view > >> >> > by directing the thread away from the original message > >> >> > are a little annoying. > >> >> > You could have commented on Celtic Reiki, the reason I > >> >> > pointed to that site in the first place. I also mentioned > >> >> > that I can do the attunements if wanted. I have never > >> >> > charged for an attunement yet. > >> >> > Instead you attack the sale of Karuna Ki Reiki. > >> >> > Perhaps that is a little strange to you, but you charge > >> >> > people for certification! At least they offer something > >> >> > substantial for the money, and not just a GRMA title. > >> >> > You are quite correct in saying...be careful what you pay > >> >> > people for.... > >> >> > > >> >> > b0b > >> >> > > >> >> > > >> >> > "ShadowWolf" wrote in message > >> >> > news:%CE1d.30349$Of3.26323@tornado.tampabay.rr.com... > >> >> >> > http://www.enchanted-earth.co.uk > >> >> >> > >> >> >> Just went for a peek at this site to see what the deal was and > >> >> >> could > >> > not > >> >> >> help but see that they are charging for what they received free. > >> >> >> Karuna Ki Reiki which was introduced by Vinny as many of you know > > was > >> > and > >> >> > is > >> >> >> supposed to be free. > >> >> >> Be careful what you pay for from some people. > >> >> >> > >> >> >> > >> >> > > >> >> > > >> >> > >> >> > >> > > >> > > >> > --- > >> > Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free. > >> > Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). > >> > Version: 6.0.768 / Virus Database: 515 - Release Date: 22/09/2004 > >> > > >> > > >> > >> > > > > > > --- > > Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free. > > Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). > > Version: 6.0.768 / Virus Database: 515 - Release Date: 22/09/2004 > > > > > > --- Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free. Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). Version: 6.0.768 / Virus Database: 515 - Release Date: 22/09/2004 ###### From: "ShadowWolf" Newsgroups: alt.healing.reiki References: <2qnuh4F11q3k0U1@uni-berlin.de> <%CE1d.30349$Of3.26323@tornado.tampabay.rr.com> <2r7niuF1756rsU1@uni-berlin.de> <2s24rfF1g5nffU1@uni-berlin.de> Subject: Re: healing trees? Lines: 154 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.2180 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2180 X-RFC2646: Format=Flowed; Original Message-ID: Date: Thu, 30 Sep 2004 21:42:51 GMT NNTP-Posting-Host: 68.204.150.54 X-Complaints-To: abuse@rr.com X-Trace: tornado.tampabay.rr.com 1096580571 68.204.150.54 (Thu, 30 Sep 2004 17:42:51 EDT) NNTP-Posting-Date: Thu, 30 Sep 2004 17:42:51 EDT Organization: Road Runner High Speed Online http://www.rr.com Path: nightfall.franklin.ch!pfaff2.ethz.ch!news-zh.switch.ch!irazu.switch.ch!switch.ch!news.belwue.de!feed.news.tiscali.de!news.maxwell.syr.edu!border1.nntp.dca.giganews.com!border2.nntp.dca.giganews.com!nntp.giganews.com!cyclone1.gnilink.net!gnilink.net!cyclone.southeast.rr.com!news-post.tampabay.rr.com!tornado.tampabay.rr.com.POSTED!not-for-mail Xref: nightfall.franklin.ch alt.healing.reiki:19637 Gee bOb, Celtic Reiki was the point and not giving Reiki to trees? Ok So my question which would be on topic according to you would be why would anyone need Celtic reiki to Reiki trees or any living matter? Like when did the old Reiki lose the qability to be used in that manner? The normal usui Reiki system allowed that one can give Reiki to whatever one choose to give it too. Have fun Joseph "b0b" wrote in message news:2s24rfF1g5nffU1@uni-berlin.de... > Well, > you said a whole lot again....to avoid > commenting on the original issue and give yourself > more free advertising... > > The point, was Celtic Reiki.....but you know that > don't you.... > > > b0b > > "Joseph" wrote in message > news:frV5d.47609$Of3.4643@tornado.tampabay.rr.com... >> bOb >> >> I consider myself to be rather positive rather than negative. >> I also consider myself to be honest rather than deceitful in the Reiki > area. >> >> For your information before I began to provide a "Free Attunement to Full >> empowerment in Reiki it was unheard of. >> I still continue to provide the very same Free attunements. >> >> I do not now or have I ever offered free certifications (although in > special >> circumstances I have provided such a service) because certification is > only >> needed when one is planning on using the modality to profit and if >> someone >> is planning on profiting why than should I provide the means for them to > do >> so at my expense? >> >> Yes there are now many sites offering attunements on the net and some are >> free also whilst others are not. >> >> Karuna-Ki Reiki was never intended to be charged for. That is something > that >> Vinny and I discussed several times when it was decided to offer it > because >> Rands Karuna Reiki system became trademarked it and people were told they >> could no longer use the name(teach it) but they could change the name, >> use >> the material and teach it that way. >> >> Vinny added additional material to it and made some changes to it since >> he >> and I originally spoke about it. >> It is clearly written on Vinnie's site that no one is supposed to charge > for >> it as it never had a price on it. >> And that is my reason for mentioning it. >> >> You seem to have a problem with a GRMA title and that is rather funny > since >> you most likely got your training from one of the many thousands who were >> either trained or certified by the GRMA (either directly or indirectly). >> >> You really think that Karuna-Ki Reiki is more substantial than Usui >> Reiki? >> Hahahahahahahahaha what a laugh. >> For your information I have been asked for many years by various people >> if > I >> thought it was OK for them to make up their own version of Reiki and >> offer >> it. >> My reply? >> Simple, anyone can do anything they want to do. >> You know bOb if my method was not any good why have so many people >> adopted >> it? >> >> It is easy to offer a singular attunement or attunements in levels now >> but >> it was not easy or widely acceptable when I started it. >> Many of the people who first joined with me have since gone back to >> levels >> because they can make more money that way. >> >> You do not have to like me but you are stuck with me anyhow. >> I have as much right to pointy out my views as you do to post yours. >> >> ShadowWolf >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> "b0b" wrote in message >> news:2r7niuF1756rsU1@uni-berlin.de... >> > ShadowWolf, >> > Is it just me, or are you overly negative >> > in your replies to others as well? >> > Your attempts to make nothing of my point of view >> > by directing the thread away from the original message >> > are a little annoying. >> > You could have commented on Celtic Reiki, the reason I >> > pointed to that site in the first place. I also mentioned >> > that I can do the attunements if wanted. I have never >> > charged for an attunement yet. >> > Instead you attack the sale of Karuna Ki Reiki. >> > Perhaps that is a little strange to you, but you charge >> > people for certification! At least they offer something >> > substantial for the money, and not just a GRMA title. >> > You are quite correct in saying...be careful what you pay >> > people for.... >> > >> > b0b >> > >> > >> > "ShadowWolf" wrote in message >> > news:%CE1d.30349$Of3.26323@tornado.tampabay.rr.com... >> >> > http://www.enchanted-earth.co.uk >> >> >> >> Just went for a peek at this site to see what the deal was and could > not >> >> help but see that they are charging for what they received free. >> >> Karuna Ki Reiki which was introduced by Vinny as many of you know was > and >> > is >> >> supposed to be free. >> >> Be careful what you pay for from some people. >> >> >> >> >> > >> > >> >> > >