From: Kevin  <arthealer@newmexico.com>
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    i entered "anger management" into a search engine and
    thousands of results popped up. Scanning a few
     results panned out this common idea of what 
     anger is.
  

   " The instinctive, natural way to express anger is to
    respond aggressively. Anger is a natural, adaptive 
   response to threats; it inspires powerful, often 
   aggressive, feelings and behaviors, which allow us 
   to fight and to defend ourselves when we are attacked.
   A certain amount of anger, therefore, is necessary to our
    survival."
    
   The thing that the pages i read agree on is
   that anger is a defensive posture.
   If anger is so "natural" and important
   to our survival, why would have Usui
   thought it important *not* to particitate
   in it? 
   
   "Anger can be suppressed, and then converted or
    redirected. This happens when   you hold in
    your anger, stop thinking about it, and focus 
    on something   positive. The aim is to inhibit 
    or suppress your anger and convert it into  
    more constructive behavior. The danger in this
    type of response is that if it   isn't allowed 
    outward expression, your anger can turn inward
    on yourself.   Anger turned inward may cause
    hypertension, high blood pressure, or   
    depression." 
    
    Isn't this what people in general believe
    about Usui's method in how to deal 
    with it? 
    Does Usui's method fall into this
    catagory?
    
    "People use a variety of both conscious and 
    unconscious processes to deal with their angry
    feelings. The three main approaches are expressing,  
    suppressing, and calming. Expressing your angry
    feelings in an assertive not aggressive manner is
     the healthiest way to express anger."
     
     So, the belief is that *expressing anger*
    is the most healthy. . . .thus we must learn
    to "manage"it.
    Is it any wonder why the precepts are most
    often times ignored or belittled?
    love is. . . 

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From: Montane <montanevine@netidea.com>
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On Sun, 22 Aug 2004 09:26:11 -0600, Kevin
<arthealer@newmexico.com> wrote:

>
<snip>
>   "Anger can be suppressed, and then converted or
>    redirected. This happens when   you hold in
>    your anger, stop thinking about it, and focus 
>    on something   positive. The aim is to inhibit 
>    or suppress your anger and convert it into  
>    more constructive behavior. The danger in this
>    type of response is that if it   isn't allowed 
>    outward expression, your anger can turn inward
>    on yourself.   Anger turned inward may cause
>    hypertension, high blood pressure, or   
>    depression." 
>    
>    Isn't this what people in general believe
>    about Usui's method in how to deal 
>    with it? 
>    Does Usui's method fall into this
>    catagory?
> 

Yes and no.  Suppression of anger may be necessary or desirable
from the standpoint of an immediate situation. It can have bad
effects for the person or situation directed at, for the person
feeling it, and for any immediate community of people.   Yet
suppression of anger, in the long run and for the person
feeling/suppressing it, is not healthy.

What is missing is the renovation of the psyche which naturally,
gradually, and effectively simplfies and integrates the
underlying psychology -- so that (among other effects) fewer
situations are found threatening or frustrating.
 
>    "People use a variety of both conscious and 
>    unconscious processes to deal with their angry
>    feelings. The three main approaches are expressing,  
>    suppressing, and calming. Expressing your angry
>    feelings in an assertive not aggressive manner is
>     the healthiest way to express anger."
>     
>     So, the belief is that *expressing anger*
>    is the most healthy. . . .thus we must learn
>    to "manage"it.
>    Is it any wonder why the precepts are most
>    often times ignored or belittled?

But if they are ignored or belittled, it is no doubt because the
*other* part of the formula is unknown or not achieved: the
rennovation of the psyche.

Namaste,

montane 

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You know, what I like most about the group participants
is that some who say "do not think, just be" are the most
vociferous in their submissions and therefore are thinking ..

<grin>

Stuart

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From: gdwill@earthlink.net (Garry Williams)
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On Mon, 23 Aug 2004 00:03 +0100 (BST), stuv@cix.co.uk (Stuart Vernon)
wrote:

>
>You know, what I like most about the group participants
>is that some who say "do not think, just be" are the most
>vociferous in their submissions and therefore are thinking ..
>
><grin>
+
Why, I *know* you simply *can't* be referring to me!  :-)

But it's not meant as "don't think, just be" *all* the time.
Otherwise, who would keep you entertained?

<whew!> Brain tired! Too much think! Must get back to mmmmmmm. 

Garry

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Recursive, my old son ... ;)

Stuart

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Kevin wrote

>      So, the belief is that *expressing anger*
>     is the most healthy. . . .thus we must learn
>     to "manage"it.
>     Is it any wonder why the precepts are most
>     often times ignored or belittled?
>     love is. . .

Thank you for the research Kevin! Some interesting points raised, especially
in light of the recent debates on the precepts and dealing with anger.
However, I think the one thing that you missed out on was the notion of
simply releasing anger. This, for me, is what the precept 'just for today
let go of anger' is all about. Now I have no doubt that it would be
impossible for most individuals to live a life without anger and, as you
quoted, it's actually a vital part of human survival. However how many cases
of anger in ones life are truly a matter of life or death? I think in actual
fact the vast majority of things that people get angry over are pretty
insignificant in the grand scheme of things. So someone 'cuts me up' on the
motorway, how will getting angry help me? I'm expecting a raise at work and
the boss passes me over, will anger solve my problem? Someone who I care
about does something which I don't like, will anger change the situation?

I think the answer to all of these things is quite simply no. When I am
angry I become irrational, selfish, pompous, narrow minded, in fact all of
the things which I dislike. So, since being attuned to reiki (and first
really beginning the 'renovation of my psyche' as Montane so eloquently puts
it) I have learnt to follow these simple steps, and so far have found them
pretty useful (which is what it's all about really)

1. I get angry about something
2. I recognise my anger
3. I observe my anger
4. In observing my anger I see that it does not serve me well.
5. I make the decision let go of my anger
6. I find that I am better placed to deal with the situation
7. I recognise that this is a positive change
8. Next time I find myself in that situation I remember that anger didn't
help and therefore don't get angry..
10. I become a better, more calm, more cantered me!

Ok, so maybe that's the ideal and there are still times when I get angry
(although for me being that angry is a very very rare occasion!). I think
the important thing is that I am actively working on myself and by doing
this taking control of my emotions. That's not to say that I want to become
an unemotional being, but that I am working to use my emotions rather than
be used by them...

As I have said elsewhere, for me it is the process not the goal that is
important, as long as I am moving onwards I feel that I am doing well...

Love & Light

Dan.

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On Mon, 23 Aug 2004 08:38:06 +0100
"Phasedreality" <Dan@phasedreamovereality.spamorg> wrote:

> Kevin wrote
> 
> >      So, the belief is that *expressing anger*
> >     is the most healthy. . . .thus we must learn
> >     to "manage"it.
> >     Is it any wonder why the precepts are most
> >     often times ignored or belittled?
> >     love is. . .
> 
> Thank you for the research Kevin! Some interesting points raised, especially
> in light of the recent debates on the precepts and dealing with anger.
> However, I think the one thing that you missed out on was the notion of
> simply releasing anger. This, for me, is what the precept 'just for today
> let go of anger' is all about.



 Hey Dan
 Thanks for responding. The articals i read 
 mention the three ways (they claim) are the
 ways to deal. . . supressing, calming and
  expressing. Your interpretation, letting go,
  of anger, wasn't mentioned, either was Usui's
  way, Just for today do not anger. Lots of 
  interpretations:)
 

> Now I have no doubt that it would be
> impossible for most individuals to live a life without anger and, as you
> quoted, it's actually a vital part of human survival.
 
  i don't agree with it being nessesary for
  survival and i don't know if it would
  be impossible for most to live without it.
  By the way people react here it would appear
  so, no? 


> However how many cases
> of anger in ones life are truly a matter of life or death?

 You mean like a fight or flight situation?
 i agree. i think 99% of the time anger rears
  it's ugly little head is because of some
  petty little thing.

> I think in actual
> fact the vast majority of things that people get angry over are pretty
> insignificant in the grand scheme of things. So someone 'cuts me up' on the
> motorway, how will getting angry help me? I'm expecting a raise at work and
> the boss passes me over, will anger solve my problem? Someone who I care
> about does something which I don't like, will anger change the situation?
> I think the answer to all of these things is quite simply no. 

  agreed.

>When I am
> angry I become irrational, selfish, pompous, narrow minded, in fact all of
> the things which I dislike. So, since being attuned to reiki (and first
> really beginning the 'renovation of my psyche' as Montane so eloquently puts
> it) I have learnt to follow these simple steps, and so far have found them
> pretty useful (which is what it's all about really)
> 
> 1. I get angry about something
> 2. I recognise my anger
> 3. I observe my anger
> 4. In observing my anger I see that it does not serve me well.
> 5. I make the decision let go of my anger
> 6. I find that I am better placed to deal with the situation
> 7. I recognise that this is a positive change
> 8. Next time I find myself in that situation I remember that anger didn't
> help and therefore don't get angry..
> 10. I become a better, more calm, more cantered me!


 This is great. This sounds like a choice you made and
  you found a way to make it work for you!
 
> Ok, so maybe that's the ideal and there are still times when I get angry
> (although for me being that angry is a very very rare occasion!). I think
> the important thing is that I am actively working on myself and by doing
> this taking control of my emotions.

  Good job Dan. . .(pat, pat, on the back)

> That's not to say that I want to become
> an unemotional being, but that I am working to use my emotions rather than
> be used by them...

 amen.
 
> As I have said elsewhere, for me it is the process not the goal that is
> important, as long as I am moving onwards I feel that I am doing well...

  Yes, much learning in the process. It is good to 
  feel as though you are making progress. For me,
  it is the goal that is important. How i reach it
  doesn't matter so much. Kinda like a good home taught
  musician.. ..the form may be really bad but the 
  sound is delightful and it is the sound that matters.
  One must start somewhere and what you have stated 
  seems a very logical way to approach it. i think in
  the beginning the form is the goal. . . .in order
  to make progress.. . baby steps:)
  After a time, the focus on form slips away, allowing
  one to focus on other things. The same may be true
  for that martial arts.
  Joel keeps referring to a renovation that allows
  further renovation to happen. i know i needed a
  wake up call to get the ball rolling. . . a life
  changing event. 
  love is. . 

 
> Love & Light
> 
> Dan.
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 

######

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Kevin wrote

>   Yes, much learning in the process. It is good to
>   feel as though you are making progress. For me,
>   it is the goal that is important. How i reach it
>   doesn't matter so much. Kinda like a good home taught
>   musician.. ..the form may be really bad but the
>   sound is delightful and it is the sound that matters.

That's very interesting - I think some people are very goal orientated and
find it difficult to progress if they don't have clear objectives. Other
people seem to be much more free-form, and find that strict goals create
unnecessary rigidity. Neither way is better or worse, what works works - and
what works for me might not work for you etc. etc. I think as I have already
said I'm more interested in the process than the goal. That's not to say
that I don't have goals, just that I am aware that too much time spent
looking at the horizon means I miss out on all the interesting stuff at
roadside. ;)

>   One must start somewhere and what you have stated
>   seems a very logical way to approach it. i think in
>   the beginning the form is the goal. . . .in order
>   to make progress.. . baby steps:)

Yes that is true...

>   After a time, the focus on form slips away, allowing
>   one to focus on other things. The same may be true
>   for that martial arts.

Would you mind exploring this a little? I think I understand - i.e. You mean
that once you are comfortable with a practice then the need to control your
actions becomes less important than what those actions are aiming to
achieve? Like juggling where to begin with all your concentration is on
keeping the balls in the air, but once you've mastered the actions you can
focus more on doing tricks etc. ?

>   Joel keeps referring to a renovation that allows
>   further renovation to happen. i know i needed a
>   wake up call to get the ball rolling. . . a life
>   changing event.
>   love is. .

What do you mean a wake up call?... Again, not sure I'm completely with you
on this one, could you explain a little?..

In anticipation.. I grok for fullness

Love & Fluff

Dan.

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Hi Kevin,

Kevin wrote:
> 
<snip> 
>    The thing that the pages i read agree on is
>    that anger is a defensive posture.
>    If anger is so "natural" and important
>    to our survival, why would have Usui
>    thought it important *not* to particitate
>    in it?

Is that what Usui taught or english interpretations of what he taught? If he was
a Buddhist or a Christian it would make sense that he believed that anger was an
bad emotion & should be suppressed.
 
<snip>
>      So, the belief is that *expressing anger*
>     is the most healthy. . . .thus we must learn
>     to "manage"it.
>     Is it any wonder why the precepts are most
>     often times ignored or belittled?
>     love is. . .

Observing angry people has taught me that anger raises their energy level during
the time they are angry but they are often consumed by their anger. IOW,
allowing anger to control a person resulted in their energy level being lower
after a bout of anger.  

I learned decades ago that it is better to use the energy that anger brings to
assist in resolving what ever caused the anger. 
 
GramPaHugs,
Alex,

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From: Kevin  <arthealer@newmexico.com>
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On Mon, 23 Aug 2004 16:29:48 +0100
"Phasedreality" <Dan@phasedreamovereality.spamorg> wrote:

> Kevin wrote
> 
> >   Yes, much learning in the process. It is good to
> >   feel as though you are making progress. For me,
> >   it is the goal that is important. How i reach it
> >   doesn't matter so much. Kinda like a good home taught
> >   musician.. ..the form may be really bad but the
> >   sound is delightful and it is the sound that matters.
> 
> That's very interesting - I think some people are very goal orientated and
> find it difficult to progress if they don't have clear objectives. Other
> people seem to be much more free-form, and find that strict goals create
> unnecessary rigidity. Neither way is better or worse, what works works - and
> what works for me might not work for you etc. etc. I think as I have already
> said I'm more interested in the process than the goal. That's not to say
> that I don't have goals, just that I am aware that too much time spent
> looking at the horizon means I miss out on all the interesting stuff at
> roadside. ;)
> 
> >   One must start somewhere and what you have stated
> >   seems a very logical way to approach it. i think in
> >   the beginning the form is the goal. . . .in order
> >   to make progress.. . baby steps:)
> 
> Yes that is true...
> 
> >   After a time, the focus on form slips away, allowing
> >   one to focus on other things. The same may be true
> >   for that martial arts.
> 
> Would you mind exploring this a little? I think I understand - i.e. You mean
> that once you are comfortable with a practice then the need to control your
> actions becomes less important than what those actions are aiming to
> achieve? Like juggling where to begin with all your concentration is on
> keeping the balls in the air, but once you've mastered the actions you can
> focus more on doing tricks etc. ?


  Yes, that is what i meant. Anger gets to
 be an unconscious habit. One may skip
 the hurt part and go straight to anger,
 not even being aware that the *hurt* is 
 what is being masked. When one makes a 
 commitment to not participate in anger,
 that is left is the hurt. The important 
 thing now becomes *feeling
 the hurt*. Giving hurt an audiance is
 part of learning to love and respect oneself.
 what is unhealthy is to ignore ones hurt.
 
> >   Joel keeps referring to a renovation that allows
> >   further renovation to happen. i know i needed a
> >   wake up call to get the ball rolling. . . a life
> >   changing event.
> >   love is. .
> 
> What do you mean a wake up call?... Again, not sure I'm completely with you
> on this one, could you explain a little?..
 
  A wake up call= something in life that awakens 
  one and spurs one to change what one participates
  in. An illness, an accident, meditation, etc. . 
  love is. . 


> In anticipation.. I grok for fullness
> 
> Love & Fluff
> 
> Dan.
> 
> 
> 

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On Mon, 23 Aug 2004 18:06:47 GMT
Alex Barna <ABARNA@mn.rr.com> wrote:

> Hi Kevin,
> 
> Kevin wrote:
> > 
> <snip> 
> >    The thing that the pages i read agree on is
> >    that anger is a defensive posture.
> >    If anger is so "natural" and important
> >    to our survival, why would have Usui
> >    thought it important *not* to particitate
> >    in it?
> 
> Is that what Usui taught or english interpretations of what he taught? If he was
> a Buddhist or a Christian it would make sense that he believed that anger was an
> bad emotion & should be suppressed.



    Hey Alex, there seems to be several views on what
    the precepts tell one to do.  
>  
> <snip>
> >      So, the belief is that *expressing anger*
> >     is the most healthy. . . .thus we must learn
> >     to "manage"it.
> >     Is it any wonder why the precepts are most
> >     often times ignored or belittled?
> >     love is. . .
> 
> Observing angry people has taught me that anger raises their energy level during
> the time they are angry but they are often consumed by their anger. IOW,
> allowing anger to control a person resulted in their energy level being lower
> after a bout of anger.  

     i believe that because it use to zap my energy. . .i 
     was angry a lot. But, whether it raises or lowers it,
     to me is not the point. The point i was attempting 
     to raise is that possibly the reason people have
     an aversion to the precepts (besides the
     fact that it is work) is  because of the wide
     spread belief that it is healthy
     to express anger. 


 
> I learned decades ago that it is better to use the energy that anger brings to
> assist in resolving what ever caused the anger. 

   Resolving what caused the anger is excactly
   what i think is best for all too. . . .that
   would be the hurt that the anger is defending:)
   love is. . .

>  
> GramPaHugs,
> Alex,
> 
> --
>  
>  Any information is included for informational 
>  or entertainment purposes only, is based on my
>  personal experiences & is an expression of my opinion.
> 
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Kevin wrote:

>   A wake up call= something in life that awakens
>   one and spurs one to change what one participates
>   in. An illness, an accident, meditation, etc. .
>   love is. .

Yes, I know what a wake up call is, was just interested as to what your use
of the phrase was related to, but no pressure....

Anyway, thanks a lot for the dialogue. I really feel that you have helped me
to clarify some things which have been floating around my mind for a while.
It's funny how you can know something, but sometimes it takes someone to put
it in plain English for you to understand that you knew it...

:o)

Love & Light...

Dan.

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On Mon, 23 Aug 2004 13:58:25 -0600, Kevin  <arthealer@newmexico.com>
wrote:

>On Mon, 23 Aug 2004 18:06:47 GMT
>Alex Barna <ABARNA@mn.rr.com> wrote:
>

>
>   Resolving what caused the anger is excactly
>   what i think is best for all too. . . .that
>   would be the hurt that the anger is defending:)
>   love is. . .
>

One more example of narrow understanding, I feel.  To me it's obvious
there are several origins of anger, and that anger is sometimes small,
sometimes big.

Sometimes hurt lies behind anger.  But sometimes loss can lie behind
it (which may be different from our usual understanding of 'hurt
feelings'), sometimes frustration lies behind it, and sometimes the
origin can be genuine 'righteous anger' when someone notices another
person or persons are being harmed.  Think about it.....

Namaste,

montane.

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On Mon, 23 Aug 2004 21:50:47 +0100
"Phasedreality" <Dan@phasedreamovereality.spamorg> wrote:

> Kevin wrote:
> 
> >   A wake up call= something in life that awakens
> >   one and spurs one to change what one participates
> >   in. An illness, an accident, meditation, etc. .
> >   love is. .
> 
> Yes, I know what a wake up call is, was just interested as to what your use
> of the phrase was related to, but no pressure....

   Sorry!. .. .didn't understand you.. .
   I got really ill. While i was getting
   well, the things that i use to indulge 
   in hurt me physically: anger, not
   believing in my abundance, thinkingor
    saying unloving thoughts about myself
    etc. . .I thought i was having strokes.
    The whole side of my body
   would go  numb to the extent i   
   couldn't even tie my own shoes! It took me
   some time to make the connection between 
   these things but now i see it as a blessing.
  (nothing like really hurting yourself
   to help one stop indulging in anger:)
   Even when i realized what the cause was,
   it was still difficult for me to give it up!
   Now, i feel my feelings. Anger covered
   up a lot of my most sensitive places.
   It's great for avoidance and is really
   based in the fear of exposing
   vulnerabilities. 
   

 
> Anyway, thanks a lot for the dialogue. I really feel that you have helped me
> to clarify some things which have been floating around my mind for a while.
> It's funny how you can know something, but sometimes it takes someone to put
> it in plain English for you to understand that you knew it...

  Yes, i do know and thank you! i enjoyed the exchange:)
  love is. . .
  

 
> :o)
> 
> Love & Light...
> 
> Dan.
> 
> 

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Alex Barna wrote:
> 
> Hi Kevin,
> 
> Kevin wrote:
> >
> <snip>
> >    The thing that the pages i read agree on is
> >    that anger is a defensive posture.
> >    If anger is so "natural" and important
> >    to our survival, why would have Usui
> >    thought it important *not* to particitate
> >    in it?
> 
> Is that what Usui taught or english interpretations of what he taught? If he was
> a Buddhist or a Christian it would make sense that he believed that anger was an
> bad emotion & should be suppressed.

Being a buddhist he wouldn't think it should be suppressed, but looked
at objectively - without attachment to the emotional charge it carried.
It's very hard for us to distance ourselves from negative emotions, but
I beleive this is what is meant by `do not anger'. It other words, don't
let it get to ya...

> Observing angry people has taught me that anger raises their energy level during
> the time they are angry but they are often consumed by their anger. IOW,
> allowing anger to control a person resulted in their energy level being lower
> after a bout of anger.

Right, the energy spent on feeling these emotions robs us of energy to
deal with anything else sometimes. Even if it's for a short amount of
time, it can cause sleeplessness due to agitation, and worrying the
thought around in our minds.

> I learned decades ago that it is better to use the energy that anger brings to
> assist in resolving what ever caused the anger

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On Mon, 23 Aug 2004 14:00:40 -0700
Montane <montane@montanevine.com> wrote:

> On Mon, 23 Aug 2004 13:58:25 -0600, Kevin  <arthealer@newmexico.com>
> wrote:
> 
> >On Mon, 23 Aug 2004 18:06:47 GMT
> >Alex Barna <ABARNA@mn.rr.com> wrote:
> >
> 
> >
> >   Resolving what caused the anger is excactly
> >   what i think is best for all too. . . .that
> >   would be the hurt that the anger is defending:)
> >   love is. . .
> >
> 
> One more example of narrow understanding, I feel.  To me it's obvious
> there are several origins of anger, and that anger is sometimes small,
> sometimes big.
> 
> Sometimes hurt lies behind anger.  But sometimes loss can lie behind
> it (which may be different from our usual understanding of 'hurt
> feelings'), sometimes frustration lies behind it, and sometimes the
> origin can be genuine 'righteous anger' when someone notices another
> person or persons are being harmed.  Think about it.....

   Hey Joel,
   i have had six years of not getting angry
   now, and came from a place of being really
   angry a lot of the time. i physically
   cannot do it any longer. Now, where anger
   use to rule are my emotional hurts and
   pains. There is no percentage in even 
   "letting anger go". . .because one has to get 
   to the point of anger before one can let 
   it go. You can draw lines between your 
   many "kinds"of anger in order to justify 
   participating in it, but a good 'righteous
   anger' damages me physically as thouroughly
   and quickly as the 'unrighteous" kind:) 
   If you are still justifying your anger,
   you won't understand what lies beneath it. 
   love is. . . 

 
> Namaste,
> 
> montane.

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Hi Montane,
You are correct, and it is important to distinguish anger. There is a
generalizing about it and everything that 'looks' like anger maybe
isn't anger. Intensity, for example, may look like anger. There was an
article in the local paper a few days ago, where a research team has
found that usually, feelings identified as anger are more of a
problem, even health-wise, for those around the emoting person, than
they are for the person himself.....so what we are learning keeps
getting more interesting. I have had a fair bit of success in coaching
folks to look for the source of sadness in their life and that has
allowed different perspectives on their 'anger' issue. As an example,
I was coaching an 'angry' lady who was trying to deal with a bad
relationship. She certainly looked angry a lot of the time. When she
had a look at the underlying sadness of a lost partner, she was able
to move deeply into the sadness, to experience it, allow it to be, and
the anger dissipated.....so did the sadness. Doesn't work all the
time, and it is easier with a supportive coach/partner, etc.. YOu need
to suspend all assessments about the angry person, be with them, look,
listen, and see what is needed....from their perspective, not ours.
Your training, of course, would give you different options than I have.
Cheers
Rich

Montane wrote:
> On Mon, 23 Aug 2004 13:58:25 -0600, Kevin  <arthealer@newmexico.com>
> wrote:
>
>>On Mon, 23 Aug 2004 18:06:47 GMT
>>Alex Barna <ABARNA@mn.rr.com> wrote:
>>
>
>>  Resolving what caused the anger is excactly
>>  what i think is best for all too. . . .that
>>  would be the hurt that the anger is defending:)
>>  love is. . .
>>
> One more example of narrow understanding, I feel.  To me it's obvious
> there are several origins of anger, and that anger is sometimes small,
> sometimes big.
> Sometimes hurt lies behind anger.  But sometimes loss can lie behind
> it (which may be different from our usual understanding of 'hurt
> feelings'), sometimes frustration lies behind it, and sometimes the
> origin can be genuine 'righteous anger' when someone notices another
> person or persons are being harmed.  Think about it.....
> Namaste,
> montane.

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Hey, y'all have no idea the amount of anger us Canucks experience when
we get those few days of our summer and the hockey rink ice starts to
get slushy! Not only that, but have you ever tried to throw a curling
rock that leaves a rooster tail of water streaming out behind it?
I hear stories that they are putting hockey rinks inside buildings in
the States. Wow! Who'da thunk! <g>
Rich

suzee wrote:

> Alex Barna wrote:
>
>>Hi Kevin,
>>
>>Kevin wrote:
>>
>><snip>
>>

> Being a buddhist he wouldn't think it should be suppressed, but looked
> at objectively - without attachment to the emotional charge it carried.
> It's very hard for us to distance ourselves from negative emotions, but
> I beleive this is what is meant by `do not anger'. It other words, don't
> let it get to ya...
>
>>assist in resolving what ever caused the anger

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Rich wrote:
> 
> Hey, y'all have no idea the amount of anger us Canucks experience when
> we get those few days of our summer and the hockey rink ice starts to
> get slushy! Not only that, but have you ever tried to throw a curling
> rock that leaves a rooster tail of water streaming out behind it?
> I hear stories that they are putting hockey rinks inside buildings in
> the States. Wow! Who'da thunk! <g>
> Rich

Yeah, inside of shopping malls, no less. Don't they have one at the
Edmonton Mall? They got everything else there....

sue

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From: stuv@cix.co.uk (Stuart Vernon)
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(Kevin) wrote:

Agree ... may I also add ...

>    love is. . . 
     shit happens. . . 

Stuart

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Hi Joel,

Montane wrote:
> 
> On Mon, 23 Aug 2004 13:58:25 -0600, Kevin  <arthealer@newmexico.com>
> wrote:

>   Resolving what caused the anger is excactly
>   what i think is best for all too. . . .that
>   would be the hurt that the anger is defending:)
>   love is. . .
 
> >On Mon, 23 Aug 2004 18:06:47 GMT
> >Alex Barna <ABARNA@mn.rr.com> wrote:

You missquoted, This is what I wrote:
> >
> > I learned decades ago that it is better to use the energy that 
> > anger  brings to assist in resolving what ever caused the anger. 
> 
> One more example of narrow understanding, I feel.

<g> Then you need to broaden your understanding <g>

>  To me it's obvious there are several origins of anger,

Actually there can be many, many causes for anger.

> and that anger is sometimes small, sometimes big.

Depending on how the person has learned to look at life & it's irritations.
 
> Sometimes hurt lies behind anger.  But sometimes loss can lie behind
> it (which may be different from our usual understanding of 'hurt
> feelings'),

http://home.mn.rr.com/apbiii/dean/index.html

That loss still hurts but doesn't cause the same degree of anger as it did at
the time.

> sometimes frustration lies behind it, and sometimes the
> origin can be genuine 'righteous anger' when someone notices another
> person or persons are being harmed. 

There are more reasons for that indignant 'righteous anger' than can be listed.

> Think about it.....

BTDT, I've experienced all the above causes of anger & more. I've used the
energy generated by that anger to keep going & work through what caused the
anger. Anger can also be used to work through physical pain & exhaustion. 

The point is to control & use anger & not allow it to control & use you.
 
GramPaHugs,
Alex,

> Namaste,
> 
> montane.

--
 
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 or entertainment purposes only, is based on my
 personal experiences & is an expression of my opinion.

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Yeah, pretty phenomenal! I think there are even stores in the
Mall.....somewhere! It's about three hours away from me so I don't
shop, or snorkel, or skate, or water slide, or take a submarine ride,
or ride the roller-coaster, or golf there much! <g>
What is the conversation piece in your area?
Rich

suzee wrote:
> Rich wrote:
>
>>Hey, y'all have no idea the amount of anger us Canucks experience when
>>we get those few days of our summer and the hockey rink ice starts to
>>get slushy! Not only that, but have you ever tried to throw a curling
>>rock that leaves a rooster tail of water streaming out behind it?
>>I hear stories that they are putting hockey rinks inside buildings in
>>the States. Wow! Who'da thunk! <g>
>>Rich
> Yeah, inside of shopping malls, no less. Don't they have one at the
> Edmonton Mall? They got everything else there....
> sue

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On Mon, 23 Aug 2004 17:56:32 -0400
suzee <suzeeq@imbris.com> wrote:

> Alex Barna wrote:
> > 
> > Hi Kevin,
> > 
> > Kevin wrote:
> > >
> > <snip>
> > >    The thing that the pages i read agree on is
> > >    that anger is a defensive posture.
> > >    If anger is so "natural" and important
> > >    to our survival, why would have Usui
> > >    thought it important *not* to particitate
> > >    in it?
> > 
> > Is that what Usui taught or english interpretations of what he taught? If he was
> > a Buddhist or a Christian it would make sense that he believed that anger was an
> > bad emotion & should be suppressed.
> 
> Being a buddhist he wouldn't think it should be suppressed, but looked
> at objectively - without attachment to the emotional charge it carried.

  i would think it fairly difficult to be
  detached from your own defense mechinism
  covering your pain. 
  How can one detach and be defensive
  at the same time?
   


> It's very hard for us to distance ourselves from negative emotions,

  is being in a defensive posture "negative"?

> but
> I beleive this is what is meant by `do not anger'. It other words, don't
> let it get to ya...

  If one is defensive, it's already "got ya":)


 
> > Observing angry people has taught me that anger raises their energy level during
> > the time they are angry but they are often consumed by their anger. IOW,
> > allowing anger to control a person resulted in their energy level being lower
> > after a bout of anger.
> 
> Right, the energy spent on feeling these emotions robs us of energy to
> deal with anything else sometimes.

  Yes, it takes more energy to keep
  the hurt in check than to express
  it.

> Even if it's for a short amount of
> time, it can cause sleeplessness due to agitation, and worrying the
> thought around in our minds.

  denying our true feelings is supression
  of the fist order. Suppression of anger
  is the second order of suppression. 
  . . . the second lie. lieing to 
  ourselves is very trubbling business
  indeed.
  love is. . .

 
> > I learned decades ago that it is better to use the energy that anger brings to
> > assist in resolving what ever caused the anger

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From: stuv@cix.co.uk (Stuart Vernon)
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(Alex Barna) wrote:

> The point is to control & use anger & not allow it 
> to control & use you.

Yes indeed ... I can't remember the last time I gave 
in to anger other than yesterday when that prat was 
driving on his brakes for 23 miles on the Snake Pass
and no-one could overtake ...

Oh well ... :)

Stuart

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On Mon, 23 Aug 2004 16:10:50 -0600, Kevin
<arthealer@newmexico.com> wrote:


>> Sometimes hurt lies behind anger.  But sometimes loss can lie behind
>> it (which may be different from our usual understanding of 'hurt
>> feelings'), sometimes frustration lies behind it, and sometimes the
>> origin can be genuine 'righteous anger' when someone notices another
>> person or persons are being harmed.  Think about it.....
>
>   Hey Joel,
>   i have had six years of not getting angry
>   now, and came from a place of being really
>   angry a lot of the time. i physically
>   cannot do it any longer. Now, where anger
>   use to rule are my emotional hurts and
>   pains. There is no percentage in even 
>   "letting anger go". . .because one has to get 
>   to the point of anger before one can let 
>   it go. 

Agreed.  But that's where the inner renewal comes in.  A
lessening (and you are saying even an elimination) of the arising
of anger.  When you change deeply inside, you don't get angry
much.

> You can draw lines between your 
>   many "kinds"of anger in order to justify 
>   participating in it, but a good 'righteous
>   anger' damages me physically as thouroughly
>   and quickly as the 'unrighteous" kind:)

I believe our wires may have crossed on this point, Kevin. :-)
I was not justifying anger, even though -- through many years of
knowing many people, in many sorts of situations -- I've seen
people get angry for somewhat varied reasons.  The varied reasons
was my point, not justification.
 
>   If you are still justifying your anger,
>   you won't understand what lies beneath it.

I'm not saying that people should justify their anger.  And I
would hope that all people on this newsgroup are justifying their
anger less than in their earlier life, simply because:  a) they
are more honest with themselves;  b) they just plain feel angry
*less often*.

m/J..

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On Mon, 23 Aug 2004 23:50 +0100 (BST)
stuv@cix.co.uk (Stuart Vernon) wrote:

> (Kevin) wrote:
> 
> Agree ... may I also add ...

   Yes you may!
 
> >    love is. . . 
>      shit happens. . . 

    and when life give you shit. . .make   . .er
     . .um
    wait, that's lemons:(
 
> Stuart
> 
> 

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Rich wrote:

> suzee wrote:
> > Rich wrote:
> >
> >>Hey, y'all have no idea the amount of anger us Canucks experience when
> >>we get those few days of our summer and the hockey rink ice starts to
> >>get slushy! Not only that, but have you ever tried to throw a curling
> >>rock that leaves a rooster tail of water streaming out behind it?
> >>I hear stories that they are putting hockey rinks inside buildings in
> >>the States. Wow! Who'da thunk! <g>
> >>Rich
> >
> >
> > Yeah, inside of shopping malls, no less. Don't they have one at the
> > Edmonton Mall? They got everything else there....

> 
> Yeah, pretty phenomenal! I think there are even stores in the
> Mall.....somewhere! It's about three hours away from me so I don't shop,
> or snorkel, or skate, or water slide, or take a submarine ride, or ride
> the roller-coaster, or golf there much! <g>
> What is the conversation piece in your area?
> Rich

Uhhhh, nothing like that... I live a coupla states away from the Mall of
America - built by the same people as the one in Edmonton. However,
there's a really big lake between here and there, and two more nearby.
;)

sue

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Kevin wrote:
> 
> On Mon, 23 Aug 2004 17:56:32 -0400
> suzee <suzeeq@imbris.com> wrote:
> >
> > Being a buddhist he wouldn't think it should be suppressed, but looked
> > at objectively - without attachment to the emotional charge it carried.
> 
>   i would think it fairly difficult to be
>   detached from your own defense mechinism
>   covering your pain.
>   How can one detach and be defensive
>   at the same time?

You can't. You have to let go of the defensiveness. Look at the emotion
differently. Dissociate your logical thought from your emotions and
beliefs. The example in the book I mentioned, was how easy it is to give
advice to a friend who's all caught up in the worry and emotion of their
problem. That's because we don't have their emotion invested in the
outcome, or the process. That's the kind of objectivity you need to have
in order to overcome negative emotions.

> > It's very hard for us to distance ourselves from negative emotions,
> 
>   is being in a defensive posture "negative"?
> 
> > but
> > I beleive this is what is meant by `do not anger'. It other words, don't
> > let it get to ya...
> 
>   If one is defensive, it's already "got ya":)

Then one might look rationally, at why they're defensive. It's not
something you'd do in the heat of the emotion, but later while
reflecting on it.

sue

> > Right, the energy spent on feeling these emotions robs us of energy to
> > deal with anything else sometimes.
> 
>   Yes, it takes more energy to keep
>   the hurt in check than to express it.
> 
> > Even if it's for a short amount of
> > time, it can cause sleeplessness due to agitation, and worrying the
> > thought around in our minds.
> 
>   denying our true feelings is supression
>   of the fist order. Suppression of anger
>   is the second order of suppression.
>   . . . the second lie. lieing to
>   ourselves is very trubbling business
>   indeed.
>   love is. . .

######

From: Kevin  <arthealer@newmexico.com>
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On Mon, 23 Aug 2004 21:14:39 -0400
suzee <suzeeq@imbris.com> wrote:

> Kevin wrote:
> > 
> > On Mon, 23 Aug 2004 17:56:32 -0400
> > suzee <suzeeq@imbris.com> wrote:
> > >
> > > Being a buddhist he wouldn't think it should be suppressed, but looked
> > > at objectively - without attachment to the emotional charge it carried.
> > 
> >   i would think it fairly difficult to be
> >   detached from your own defense mechinism
> >   covering your pain.
> >   How can one detach and be defensive
> >   at the same time?
> 
> You can't. You have to let go of the defensiveness. Look at the emotion
> differently. Dissociate your logical thought from your emotions and
> beliefs. The example in the book I mentioned, was how easy it is to give
> advice to a friend who's all caught up in the worry and emotion of their
> problem. That's because we don't have their emotion invested in the
> outcome, or the process. That's the kind of objectivity you need to have
> in order to overcome negative emotions.


   hi sue,
  i think we crossed wires or something:)
  i believe anger *is* the defensive posure.
  So i don't think it is possible to be detached
  from ones anger.
 love is. . .
 
######

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Montane wrote:
> 
> On Mon, 23 Aug 2004 16:10:50 -0600, Kevin
> <arthealer@newmexico.com> wrote:

> >   Hey Joel,
> >   i have had six years of not getting angry
> >   now, and came from a place of being really
> >   angry a lot of the time. i physically
> >   cannot do it any longer. Now, where anger
> >   use to rule are my emotional hurts and
> >   pains. There is no percentage in even
> >   "letting anger go". . .because one has to get
> >   to the point of anger before one can let
> >   it go.
> 
> Agreed.  But that's where the inner renewal comes in.  A
> lessening (and you are saying even an elimination) of the arising
> of anger.  When you change deeply inside, you don't get angry
> much.

Very much agree here.

[snip]
 
> >   If you are still justifying your anger,
> >   you won't understand what lies beneath it.
> 
> I'm not saying that people should justify their anger.  And I
> would hope that all people on this newsgroup are justifying their
> anger less than in their earlier life, simply because:  a) they
> are more honest with themselves;  b) they just plain feel angry
> *less often*.

I second that last part; hopefully, I am the first part, as well.

sue

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From: suzee <suzeeq@imbris.com>
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Kevin wrote:
> 
> On Mon, 23 Aug 2004 21:14:39 -0400
> suzee <suzeeq@imbris.com> wrote:
> 
> > Kevin wrote:

> > >   i would think it fairly difficult to be
> > >   detached from your own defense mechinism
> > >   covering your pain.
> > >   How can one detach and be defensive
> > >   at the same time?
> >
> > You can't. You have to let go of the defensiveness. Look at the emotion
> > differently. Dissociate your logical thought from your emotions and
> > beliefs. The example in the book I mentioned, was how easy it is to give
> > advice to a friend who's all caught up in the worry and emotion of their
> > problem. That's because we don't have their emotion invested in the
> > outcome, or the process. That's the kind of objectivity you need to have
> > in order to overcome negative emotions.
> 
>    hi sue,
>   i think we crossed wires or something:)
>   i believe anger *is* the defensive posure.
>   So i don't think it is possible to be detached
>   from ones anger.
>  love is. . .

It could easily be that I misunderstood what you meant. I don't always
clearly understand what you do write.

sue

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On Mon, 23 Aug 2004 17:53:41 -0700
Montane <montanevine@netidea.com> wrote:

> On Mon, 23 Aug 2004 16:10:50 -0600, Kevin
> <arthealer@newmexico.com> wrote:
> 
> 
> >> Sometimes hurt lies behind anger.  But sometimes loss can lie behind
> >> it (which may be different from our usual understanding of 'hurt
> >> feelings'), sometimes frustration lies behind it, and sometimes the
> >> origin can be genuine 'righteous anger' when someone notices another
> >> person or persons are being harmed.  Think about it.....
> >
> >   Hey Joel,
> >   i have had six years of not getting angry
> >   now, and came from a place of being really
> >   angry a lot of the time. i physically
> >   cannot do it any longer. Now, where anger
> >   use to rule are my emotional hurts and
> >   pains. There is no percentage in even 
> >   "letting anger go". . .because one has to get 
> >   to the point of anger before one can let 
> >   it go. 
> 
> Agreed.  But that's where the inner renewal comes in.  A
> lessening (and you are saying even an elimination) of the arising
> of anger.  When you change deeply inside, you don't get angry
> much.
> 
> > You can draw lines between your 
> >   many "kinds"of anger in order to justify 
> >   participating in it, but a good 'righteous
> >   anger' damages me physically as thouroughly
> >   and quickly as the 'unrighteous" kind:)
> 
> I believe our wires may have crossed on this point, Kevin. :-)
> I was not justifying anger, even though -- through many years of
> knowing many people, in many sorts of situations -- I've seen
> people get angry for somewhat varied reasons.  The varied reasons
> was my point, not justification.
>  
> >   If you are still justifying your anger,
> >   you won't understand what lies beneath it.
> 
> I'm not saying that people should justify their anger.  And I
> would hope that all people on this newsgroup are justifying their
> anger less than in their earlier life, simply because:  a) they
> are more honest with themselves;  b) they just plain feel angry
> *less often*.
> 
> m/J..


   It's all good joel:) thanks for the 
   thoughtful response. Wires get crossed . . .
   oh well... we're communicating!!
  " Life don't clickity clack down a
    straight line track it comes together
    and it comes apart"
                           Farren(sp)

######

From: gdwill@earthlink.net (Garry Williams)
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On Mon, 23 Aug 2004 22:22:16 GMT, Rich <rorlesky@shaw.ca> wrote:

<snip>

>There was an article 
>in the local paper a few days ago, where a research team has found that 
>  usually, feelings identified as anger are more of a problem, even 
>health-wise, for those around the emoting person, than they are for the 
>person himself.....so what we are learning keeps getting more 
>interesting. 

This is perhaps wandering a bit off the subject, but I read an article
today about a study where the researchers found that people who are in
a bad mood make better, more accurate observers than people who are in
a good mood. Where does that take us? Yikes!

namaste,

Garry

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Some time ago, in this group, someone asked the question, "What is it
that we are not noticing?" I forgot the context, and it is a very good
question to keep in front of us. While we are busy assuming,
concluding,
defending, etc. there are real life situations happening that fly in
the face of what we think we 'know'. It is interesting to just observe
these instances, and maybe we might gain more insight than being
positional.
I have read where one technique for helping a very sick person is to
try to make them angry. In the midst of their anger they might decide
to beat their illness, instead of giving in to it.
Cheers <-- Hey, is that a precept?
Rich

Garry Williams wrote:
> On Mon, 23 Aug 2004 22:22:16 GMT, Rich <rorlesky@shaw.ca> wrote:
> <snip>
>
>> There was an article in the local paper a few days ago, where a
>> research team has found that usually, feelings identified as anger
>> are more of a problem, even health-wise, for those around the
>> emoting person, than they are for the person himself.....so what we
>> are learning keeps getting more interesting.
> This is perhaps wandering a bit off the subject, but I read an
> article
> today about a study where the researchers found that people who are in
> a bad mood make better, more accurate observers than people who are in
> a good mood. Where does that take us? Yikes!
> namaste,
> Garry
>

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Whoa! I would like to point out that y'all are making statements that
just ain't so! YOu can detach and be defensive by being fully present.
That's what the Buddhists do. Using 'effort' to 'get rid of anger or
negative emotions' just digs you in deeper. It is interesting to note
that the way many people handle their emotions, and very effectively,
is to just observe them. Just observe, nothing added.
Cheers
Rich

suzee wrote:

> Kevin wrote:
>
>>On Mon, 23 Aug 2004 17:56:32 -0400
>>suzee <suzeeq@imbris.com> wrote:
>>
>>>Being a buddhist he wouldn't think it should be suppressed, but looked
>>>at objectively - without attachment to the emotional charge it carried.
>>
>>  i would think it fairly difficult to be
>>  detached from your own defense mechinism
>>  covering your pain.
>>  How can one detach and be defensive
>>  at the same time?
> You can't. You have to let go of the defensiveness. Look at the
> emotion
> differently. Dissociate your logical thought from your emotions and
> beliefs. The example in the book I mentioned, was how easy it is to give
> advice to a friend who's all caught up in the worry and emotion of their
> problem. That's because we don't have their emotion invested in the
> outcome, or the process. That's the kind of objectivity you need to have
> in order to overcome negative emotions.
>
>>  love is. . .

######

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Kevin wrote

>     Is it any wonder why the precepts are most
>     often times ignored or belittled?

Do you really think so? Surly the ammount of debate on AHR shows that they
are hardly being ignored.

Love & Sunshine (with occasional downpours + the odd thunderstorm)

Dan.

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Garry Williams wrote:
> 
> On Mon, 23 Aug 2004 22:22:16 GMT, Rich <rorlesky@shaw.ca> wrote:
> 
> <snip>
> 
> >There was an article
> >in the local paper a few days ago, where a research team has found that
> >  usually, feelings identified as anger are more of a problem, even
> >health-wise, for those around the emoting person, than they are for the
> >person himself.....so what we are learning keeps getting more
> >interesting.
> 
> This is perhaps wandering a bit off the subject, but I read an article
> today about a study where the researchers found that people who are in
> a bad mood make better, more accurate observers than people who are in
> a good mood. Where does that take us? Yikes!

That makes sense; in a good mood, you're not as observant about things
going on around you perhaps because of the influence of endorphins? <g>
If you're under stress, those old flight or fight chemicals would make
you more observant in order to be aware of danger. 

sue

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On Tue, 24 Aug 2004 11:18:57 +0100
"Phasedreality" <Dan@phasedreamovereality.spamorg> wrote:

> Kevin wrote
> 
> >     Is it any wonder why the precepts are most
> >     often times ignored or belittled?
> 
> Do you really think so? Surly the ammount of debate on AHR shows that they
> are hardly being ignored.


   Hey Dan the weather man!
   As far as use goes. . . yes i do.  Alex 
   checked out a bunch of reiki sights on
   the internet and came to the same conclusion.
   People don't see them as too important.. . 
   seems the emphasis is placed on doing
   reiki on others.
   love is. . .
   


 
> Love & Sunshine (with occasional downpours + the odd thunderstorm)
> 
> Dan.
> 
> 

######

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> > >     Is it any wonder why the precepts are most
> > >     often times ignored or belittled?
> >

>    People don't see them as too important.. .
>    seems the emphasis is placed on doing
>    reiki on others.
>
-Just because I think the reiki principles are irrelevant to me, doesn't
mean I don't use huge amounts of reiki on myself.  I actually send myself
and my goals reiki.  The results are miraculous, amazing and surprising,
which I would not acheive if I tried to have 'morals' which I followed with
my conscious mind.
Love
Kath
>
>
>
>
> > Love & Sunshine (with occasional downpours + the odd thunderstorm)
> >
> > Dan.
> >
> >

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From: Montane <montane@montanevine.com>
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On Mon, 23 Aug 2004 23:32:49 GMT, Alex Barna <ABARNA@mn.rr.com> wrote:


>Montane wrote:
>> 
>> On Mon, 23 Aug 2004 13:58:25 -0600, Kevin  <arthealer@newmexico.com>
>> wrote:
>
>>   Resolving what caused the anger is excactly
>>   what i think is best for all too. . . .that
>>   would be the hurt that the anger is defending
(i.e., hurt)

> 
>> One more example of narrow understanding, I feel.

>> To me it's obvious there are several origins of anger,
>
><g> Then you need to broaden your understanding <g>
>
> Actually there can be many, many causes for anger.
>

I'm sure you're right, Alex.  I *was* no doubt being too narrow in
saying there are several reasons for anger -- I'm sure there are many.
Thanks for the reminder to remain broad-minded!  :-)

m/J.

######

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On Tue, 24 Aug 2004 16:37:36 +0100
"KathrynK" <pearlofwisdomNOSPAM@care4free.net> wrote:

> 
> 
> > > >     Is it any wonder why the precepts are most
> > > >     often times ignored or belittled?
> > >
> 
> >    People don't see them as too important.. .
> >    seems the emphasis is placed on doing
> >    reiki on others.
> >
> -Just because I think the reiki principles are irrelevant to me, doesn't
> mean I don't use huge amounts of reiki on myself.  I actually send myself
> and my goals reiki. 

    i'm glad for you that you are able to do this!

> The results are miraculous, amazing and surprising,

  i'm sure they are!

> which I would not acheive if I tried to have 'morals' which I followed with
> my conscious mind.


   Hey kath,
   there have been many references that catagorize the precepts 
   with morals. i think you are not alone at all, in fact most
   view them in this fashion. 
   Are you not conscios when you give yourself
   reiki?
   love is . .  
  

> Love
> Kath
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > > Love & Sunshine (with occasional downpours + the odd thunderstorm)
> > >
> > > Dan.
> > >
> > >
> 
> 

######

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Kevin wrote

>    Hey Dan the weather man!
>    As far as use goes. . . yes i do.  Alex
>    checked out a bunch of reiki sights on
>    the internet and came to the same conclusion.
>    People don't see them as too important.. .
>    seems the emphasis is placed on doing
>    reiki on others.
>    love is. . .

Hmmm maybe that just shows that people who make reiki websites don't place
importance on the precepts? Doesn't necessarily mean that they are truly
representative of reiki practicioners as a whole. However, I can kinda
understand why people might be a bit averse to using them - sounds too much
like hard work! In this day and age people want instant results - instant
healing, instant master attunments, instant enlightenment. Anything that
suggests effort or work is quickly discarded as an unnecessary hindrance -
"Why should I have to spend time working on myself when I can just buy a
complete spiritual overhaul (with free kundalini oil change!) and never even
leave my armchair?"

Cynical, me? Nahhh....

:o)

Love & Cloudy Moonlight

Dan.

######

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On Tue, 24 Aug 2004 21:47:55 +0100
"Phasedreality" <Dan@phasedreamovereality.spamorg> wrote:

> Kevin wrote
> 
> >    Hey Dan the weather man!
> >    As far as use goes. . . yes i do.  Alex
> >    checked out a bunch of reiki sights on
> >    the internet and came to the same conclusion.
> >    People don't see them as too important.. .
> >    seems the emphasis is placed on doing
> >    reiki on others.
> >    love is. . .
> 
> Hmmm maybe that just shows that people who make reiki websites don't place
> importance on the precepts? Doesn't necessarily mean that they are truly
> representative of reiki practicioners as a whole. However, I can kinda
> understand why people might be a bit averse to using them - sounds too much
> like hard work! In this day and age people want instant results - instant
> healing, instant master attunments, instant enlightenment. Anything that
> suggests effort or work is quickly discarded as an unnecessary hindrance -
> "Why should I have to spend time working on myself when I can just buy a
> complete spiritual overhaul (with free kundalini oil change!) and never even
> leave my armchair?"
> 
    Well said.
    love is ..  . .


> Cynical, me? Nahhh....
> 
> :o)
> 
> Love & Cloudy Moonlight
> 
> Dan.
> 
> 
> 
> 

######

From: stuv@cix.co.uk (Stuart Vernon)
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(Kevin) wrote:

>     Well said.

Indeed so ...

Stuart

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Hi Dan,
YOu touched on an important point, regarding our relationship with
others. Another source of our own suffering is making general
conclusions about others......what they do or don't do means
something!.....and then reacting, not to the truth, but to our own
assumptions. If the precepts do not show up on someone's website,
the only thing we know for sure is that they aren't there. We begin to
suffer when we believe that somehow we have been appointed judge and
jury...........and no one will listen to us! Waaaahhhhhhhhh!!!
Rich

Phasedreality wrote:

> Kevin wrote
>
>>   Hey Dan the weather man!
>>   As far as use goes. . . yes i do.  Alex
>>   checked out a bunch of reiki sights on
>>   the internet and came to the same conclusion.
>>   People don't see them as too important.. .
>>   seems the emphasis is placed on doing
>>   reiki on others.
>>   love is. . .
> Hmmm maybe that just shows that people who make reiki websites don't
> place
> importance on the precepts? Doesn't necessarily mean that they are truly
> representative of reiki practicioners as a whole. However, I can kinda
> understand why people might be a bit averse to using them - sounds too much
> like hard work! In this day and age people want instant results - instant
> healing, instant master attunments, instant enlightenment. Anything that
> suggests effort or work is quickly discarded as an unnecessary hindrance -
> "Why should I have to spend time working on myself when I can just buy a
> complete spiritual overhaul (with free kundalini oil change!) and never even
> leave my armchair?"
> Cynical, me? Nahhh....
> :o)
> Love & Cloudy Moonlight
> Dan.
>

######

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>   Are you not conscios when you give yourself
>   reiki?

I'm not consciously directing it as to HOW I want it to work, I give the 
reiki/magic a chance to help me in whatever way will be most beneficial to 
me, and leave it up to the energy to decide how to do it.
Love
Kath 

######

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On Wed, 25 Aug 2004 20:59:26 +0100
"KathrynK" <pearlofwisdomNOSPAM@care4free.net> wrote:

> 
> >   Are you not conscios when you give yourself
> >   reiki?
> 
> I'm not consciously directing it as to HOW I want it to work, I give the 
> reiki/magic a chance to help me in whatever way will be most beneficial to 
> me, and leave it up to the energy to decide how to do it.

    gotcha:)  thanks for the reply
    love is. . 


> Love
> Kath 
> 
> 

######

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"Kevin" <arthealer@newmexico.com> wrote in message
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: On Mon, 23 Aug 2004 17:56:32 -0400
: suzee <suzeeq@imbris.com> wrote:
:
: > Alex Barna wrote:
: > >
: > > Hi Kevin,
: > >
: > > Kevin wrote:
: > > >
: > > <snip>
: > > >    The thing that the pages i read agree on is
: > > >    that anger is a defensive posture.
: > > >    If anger is so "natural" and important
: > > >    to our survival, why would have Usui
: > > >    thought it important *not* to particitate
: > > >    in it?
: > >
: > > Is that what Usui taught or english interpretations of what he taught?
If he was
: > > a Buddhist or a Christian it would make sense that he believed that
anger was an
: > > bad emotion & should be suppressed.
: >
: > Being a buddhist he wouldn't think it should be suppressed, but looked
: > at objectively - without attachment to the emotional charge it carried.
:
:   i would think it fairly difficult to be
:   detached from your own defense mechinism
:   covering your pain.
:   How can one detach and be defensive
:   at the same time?

If it is a defensive mechanism what does it defend
or protect? You may say pain, but pain about what?

-- 
Namu Amida Butsu
Peter Reber
"Life knows its needs"

######

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"Kevin" <arthealer@newmexico.com> wrote in message
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: On Mon, 23 Aug 2004 08:38:06 +0100
: "Phasedreality" <Dan@phasedreamovereality.spamorg> wrote:
:
: > Kevin wrote
: >
: > >      So, the belief is that *expressing anger*
: > >     is the most healthy. . . .thus we must learn
: > >     to "manage"it.
: > >     Is it any wonder why the precepts are most
: > >     often times ignored or belittled?
: > >     love is. . .
: >
: > Thank you for the research Kevin! Some interesting points raised,
especially
: > in light of the recent debates on the precepts and dealing with anger.
: > However, I think the one thing that you missed out on was the notion of
: > simply releasing anger. This, for me, is what the precept 'just for
today
: > let go of anger' is all about.
:
:  Thanks for responding. The articals i read
:  mention the three ways (they claim) are the
:  ways to deal. . . supressing, calming and
:   expressing. Your interpretation, letting go,
:   of anger, wasn't mentioned, either was Usui's
:   way, Just for today do not anger. Lots of
:   interpretations:)

The important thing is moving the energy on,
not letting it get stuck in the body. Neither
suppression or calming seem to fulfil that
criteria whereas expressing it can. The trouble
is the way we usually handle this, often in an
outburst that that not resolve the real issues,
is totally irrational, and may thereafter generate
blame, resentment or guilt.
Alternatives to expressing anger may be
sublimation, redirecting the energy into other
areas, or processing it in terms of taking total
self-responsibility for it. The latter could be seen
as a combination of the precept's "do not anger"
and "work hard on yourself" principles.

: > However how many cases
: > of anger in ones life are truly a matter of life or death?

Most of them are a matter of life and death.

-- 
Namu Amida Butsu
Peter Reber
"Life knows its needs"

######

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On Thu, 26 Aug 2004 05:53:42 +0200
"pr" <shin@netactive.co.za> wrote:

> 
> "Kevin" <arthealer@newmexico.com> wrote in message
> news:20040823070558.5c61452a.arthealer@newmexico.com...
> : On Mon, 23 Aug 2004 08:38:06 +0100
> : "Phasedreality" <Dan@phasedreamovereality.spamorg> wrote:
> :
> : > Kevin wrote
> : >
> : > >      So, the belief is that *expressing anger*
> : > >     is the most healthy. . . .thus we must learn
> : > >     to "manage"it.
> : > >     Is it any wonder why the precepts are most
> : > >     often times ignored or belittled?
> : > >     love is. . .
> : >
> : > Thank you for the research Kevin! Some interesting points raised,
> especially
> : > in light of the recent debates on the precepts and dealing with anger.
> : > However, I think the one thing that you missed out on was the notion of
> : > simply releasing anger. This, for me, is what the precept 'just for
> today
> : > let go of anger' is all about.
> :
> :  Thanks for responding. The articals i read
> :  mention the three ways (they claim) are the
> :  ways to deal. . . supressing, calming and
> :   expressing. Your interpretation, letting go,
> :   of anger, wasn't mentioned, either was Usui's
> :   way, Just for today do not anger. Lots of
> :   interpretations:)
> 
> The important thing is moving the energy on,
> not letting it get stuck in the body.

  snip. . .
  hi pr
  in light of your recent posts, it seems
  that you are treating "energy"(anger) as 
  something that isn't created but rather
  passed on and *how* one moves it on is
  the important issue. So, in Kath's
  case, the rapist transfered his energy
  to Kath? . . .is that what you are 
  saying? 
  love is. . .



> -- 
> Namu Amida Butsu
> Peter Reber
> "Life knows its needs"
> 
> 
> 

######

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On Thu, 26 Aug 2004 05:53:37 +0200
"pr" <shin@netactive.co.za> wrote:

> 
> "Kevin" <arthealer@newmexico.com> wrote in message
> news:20040823180444.3149d0be.arthealer@newmexico.com...
> : On Mon, 23 Aug 2004 17:56:32 -0400
> : suzee <suzeeq@imbris.com> wrote:
> :
> : > Alex Barna wrote:
> : > >
> : > > Hi Kevin,
> : > >
> : > > Kevin wrote:
> : > > >
> : > > <snip>
> : > > >    The thing that the pages i read agree on is
> : > > >    that anger is a defensive posture.
> : > > >    If anger is so "natural" and important
> : > > >    to our survival, why would have Usui
> : > > >    thought it important *not* to particitate
> : > > >    in it?
> : > >
> : > > Is that what Usui taught or english interpretations of what he taught?
> If he was
> : > > a Buddhist or a Christian it would make sense that he believed that
> anger was an
> : > > bad emotion & should be suppressed.
> : >
> : > Being a buddhist he wouldn't think it should be suppressed, but looked
> : > at objectively - without attachment to the emotional charge it carried.
> :
> :   i would think it fairly difficult to be
> :   detached from your own defense mechinism
> :   covering your pain.
> :   How can one detach and be defensive
> :   at the same time?
> 
> If it is a defensive mechanism what does it defend
> or protect? You may say pain, but pain about what?


   Hey pr
   Well, in Kath's case, the pain is probably 
   enormous.. . .being totally violated like that.
  
   Try it yourself. . ..the next time you feel
   anger coming on. It might require suspending 
   your anger long enough to make an
   effort at *feeling* what else is there. 
   Do you ever allow yourself to cry?
   love is . . . 
   

 
> -- 
> Namu Amida Butsu
> Peter Reber
> "Life knows its needs"
> 
> 
> 

######

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This is a bit lengthy and it may be pertinent to post it all. I found
it in my research. I know it isn't the last word, and it may just
suggest we keep our conclusions flexible?

"Although holistic health practitioners have long believed in a
complex relationship between physical and emotional health, mainstream
medicine has been reluctant to acknowledge any such connection without
scientific proof.
One of the first pieces of 'hard evidence' arrived when Carl and
Stephanie Simonton published 'Getting Well Again' (J.P. Tarcher,
1978). They profiled what they saw as the typical 'cancer personality'
'the ways an individual's reactions to stress and other emotional
factors can contribute to the onset and progress of cancer.
"It was the first time anybody credentialed within oncology - Carl was
a radiation oncologist - had suggested the psyche could positively
affect cancer outcome, and practices like visualization and
biofeedback might be beneficial," says Stephanie Simonton.
Can suppressed emotions inhibit recovery? After the Simontons' seminal
work, researchers began to identify Type A (heart-attack prone) and,
more recently, Type C (cancer-prone) personalities. In 'The Type C
Connection '(Plume, 1992), psychologist Lydia Temoshok, who coined the
term 'Type C coping style,' drew on hundreds of patient interviews and
case histories to paint a surprising portrait of the Type C
individual: unfailingly pleasant, appeasing, and, most interestingly,
unable to express emotions, especially anger.
'Cancer patients who keep up a false front in the name of 'positive
attitude' are doing themselves a disservice,' says Temoshok. According
to Temoshok, negative emotions did not translate to a reduced
likelihood of recovery from cancer. Factors that did contribute
included suppressing one's true self as unacceptable; feeling obliged
to conform to social conventions; and sacrificing one's own desires
for the sake of other people. In one study she conducted, Temoshok
found that melanoma patients who rated higher on a scale of emotional
expression had less aggressive tumours and stronger T-cell immunity.
Being your true self....Temoshok's work revealed that an 'artificially
positive outlook' can actually be harmful. Respected American
psychologist Lawrence LeShan, in 'Cancer as a Turning Point' (Plume,
1994), presented stories of patients who had spent their lives
suppressing their feelings, but were able to use the illness
experience as a catalyst to finding their true selves.
For people diagnosed with cancer, one of the most difficult aspects of
dealing with the illness can be the pressure to remain
positive. People who are naturally positive may thrive under this
pressure, but for those with a different coping style, the
exhortations to 'think positively' may go against the grain.
More and more, we are learning that it is okay to react in different
ways. Some people will fight cancer with love, some with anger. The
important thing is to fight it. As Jimmie Holland, MD, wrote in 'The
Human Side of Cancer' (HarperCollins, 2000), 'Don't believe that you
have to have a positive attitude all the time and that sadness or
worry will shorten your survival. Our ways of coping with adversity
are as different as our DNA and our fingerprints.' Sadness, fear, and
anger are natural responses to adversity. It takes courage and honesty
to express all our feelings, positive and negative, and it is the
courageous and honest among us who stand the greatest chance of
overcoming any obstacle placed before them."
Cheers
Rich


Kevin wrote:
>        i entered "anger management" into a search engine and
>     thousands of results popped up. Scanning a few
>      results panned out this common idea of what      anger is.
>
<snipped>

######

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On Fri, 27 Aug 2004 00:56:34 GMT
Rich <rorlesky@shaw.ca> wrote:

> This is a bit lengthy and it may be pertinent to post it all. I found it 
> in my research. I know it isn't the last word, and it may just suggest 
> we keep our conclusions flexible?
> 
> "Although holistic health practitioners have long believed in a complex 
> relationship between physical and emotional health, mainstream medicine 
> has been reluctant to acknowledge any such connection without scientific 
> proof.
> One of the first pieces of 'hard evidence' arrived when Carl and 
> Stephanie Simonton published 'Getting Well Again' (J.P. Tarcher, 1978). 
> They profiled what they saw as the typical 'cancer personality' 'the 
> ways an individual's reactions to stress and other emotional factors can 
> contribute to the onset and progress of cancer.
> "It was the first time anybody credentialed within oncology - Carl was a 
> radiation oncologist - had suggested the psyche could positively affect 
> cancer outcome, and practices like visualization and biofeedback might 
> be beneficial," says Stephanie Simonton.
> Can suppressed emotions inhibit recovery? After the Simontons' seminal 
> work, researchers began to identify Type A (heart-attack prone) and, 
> more recently, Type C (cancer-prone) personalities. In 'The Type C 
> Connection '(Plume, 1992), psychologist Lydia Temoshok, who coined the 
> term 'Type C coping style,' drew on hundreds of patient interviews and 
> case histories to paint a surprising portrait of the Type C individual: 
> unfailingly pleasant, appeasing, and, most interestingly, unable to 
> express emotions, especially anger.
> 'Cancer patients who keep up a false front in the name of 'positive 
> attitude' are doing themselves a disservice,' says Temoshok. According 
> to Temoshok, negative emotions did not translate to a reduced likelihood 
> of recovery from cancer. Factors that did contribute included 
> suppressing one's true self as unacceptable; feeling obliged to conform 
> to social conventions; and sacrificing one's own desires for the sake of 
> other people. In one study she conducted, Temoshok found that melanoma 
> patients who rated higher on a scale of emotional expression had less 
> aggressive tumours and stronger T-cell immunity.
> Being your true self....Temoshok's work revealed that an 'artificially 
> positive outlook' can actually be harmful. Respected American 
> psychologist Lawrence LeShan, in 'Cancer as a Turning Point' (Plume, 
> 1994), presented stories of patients who had spent their lives 
> suppressing their feelings, but were able to use the illness experience 
> as a catalyst to finding their true selves.
> For people diagnosed with cancer, one of the most difficult aspects of 
> dealing with the illness can be the pressure to remain positive. People 
> who are naturally positive may thrive under this pressure, but for those 
> with a different coping style, the exhortations to 'think positively' 
> may go against the grain.
> More and more, we are learning that it is okay to react in different 
> ways. Some people will fight cancer with love, some with anger. The 
> important thing is to fight it. As Jimmie Holland, MD, wrote in 'The 
> Human Side of Cancer' (HarperCollins, 2000), 'Don't believe that you 
> have to have a positive attitude all the time and that sadness or worry 
> will shorten your survival. Our ways of coping with adversity are as 
> different as our DNA and our fingerprints.' Sadness, fear, and anger are 
> natural responses to adversity. It takes courage and honesty to express 
> all our feelings, positive and negative, and it is the courageous and 
> honest among us who stand the greatest chance of overcoming any obstacle 
> placed before them."
> Cheers
> Rich
> 

  Or, for those who do reiki:
  
  The secret method for inviting
  blessings.
  The spiritual medicine of many 
  illnesses.
  For today only, do not anger,
  do not worry.
  With appreciation, endeavour
  your work.
  Be kind to all people.
  In the morning and at night,
  gassho.
  Think this, chant this.
  The Usui Reiki Ryoho (remedy)
  to change your mind and body
  for the better.
  The founder,
  Mikao Usui
  
  http://www.threshold.ca/reiki/precepts.html

  love is. . .validation through
  practice.

######

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"Kevin" <arthealer@newmexico.com> wrote in message
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: On Thu, 26 Aug 2004 05:53:42 +0200
: "pr" <shin@netactive.co.za> wrote:
:
: >
: > The important thing is moving the energy on,
: > not letting it get stuck in the body.
:
:   in light of your recent posts, it seems
:   that you are treating "energy"(anger) as
:   something that isn't created but rather
:   passed on and *how* one moves it on is
:   the important issue. So, in Kath's
:   case, the rapist transfered his energy
:   to Kath? . . .is that what you are
:   saying?

I think that the important thing is that
it is allowed to move. Under normal
conditions this happens naturally but
we can facilitate it also, just as we can
hold on to it.
We seem to have a huge store of untapped
energy within us and so I would say that
the anger energy itself is not created but
the particular manifestation in the form of
anger is created when there is a perceived
threat to our existence. Such threats are
very common because affirmation are
equivalent to life and criticism or denial
are like death.
With specific reference to rape, or other
crimes for that matter, I think that it is
just the reverse of what you say.
The rapist steals the energy and transfers
it to himself. There are some stories
around of how some of our forefathers
ate the heart of the people or animal they
killed and that by this process they absorbed
the charateristics of the person or animal to
themselves.
Within a victim of crime, the violent and quite
sudden loss of energy may result in us
attempting, unconsciously, to compensate
or replenish it a surge of energy from the
"storehouse". Massive energy bursts always
present a problem of containing them. In our
ordinary lives, anger is probably the most
common and familiar form of energy bursts.
The energy upheaval within the crime victim
is then interpreted as anger.

-- 
Namu Amida Butsu
Peter Reber
"Life knows its needs"

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From: gdwill@earthlink.net (Garry Williams)
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On Wed, 25 Aug 2004 20:59:26 +0100, "KathrynK"
<pearlofwisdomNOSPAM@care4free.net> wrote:

>
>>   Are you not conscios when you give yourself
>>   reiki?
>
>I'm not consciously directing it as to HOW I want it to work, I give the 
>reiki/magic a chance to help me in whatever way will be most beneficial to 
>me, and leave it up to the energy to decide how to do it.
>Love
>Kath 

Kathryn, although many people view the precepts as morals, they are
guides for spiritual healing. You may wish to try repeating the
precepts to yourself while doing your self-reiki treatments. You don't
have to meditate on them (although you certainly may, if you wish),
but just sort of listen to them passively and let them sink in and do
whatever healing they will do in whatever way will be most beneficial
for you in the same way that you let the reiki energy sink in and do
whatever healing it will do in whatever way will be most beneficial to
you. 

Love and Light,

Garry