From: "pr" Newsgroups: alt.healing.reiki References: Subject: Karma [Re: my 2 cents] Date: Sun, 25 Jul 2004 09:13:31 +0200 Lines: 98 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1106 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1106 NNTP-Posting-Host: nld-dial-196-7-26-49.mweb.co.za Message-ID: <41035f1f.0@news1.mweb.co.za> X-Trace: 25 Jul 2004 09:19:59 +0200, nld-dial-196-7-26-49.mweb.co.za Path: nightfall.franklin.ch!pfaff2.ethz.ch!news-zh.switch.ch!irazu.switch.ch!switch.ch!enews.sgi.com!uunet.co.za!news1.mweb.co.za!nld-dial-196-7-26-49.mweb.co.za Xref: nightfall.franklin.ch alt.healing.reiki:18078 "Theo" wrote in message news:cdt7dk$d1o$2@news.eusc.inter.net... : I do not believe in Karma Karma =unresolved emotional residue =emotions that still have an energetic charge examples: 1) The Swiss and their principle of neutrality. Why not just give it up? Because it has been the policy for hundreds of years and has proven to be beneficial to Switzerland and its people? Identification = attachment = karma going back to the middle age. 2) Take some of your posts whenever the topic touching traditional religions make their appearance in the NG. Identification = aversion = karma, probably generated in this life but also possibly transmitted through significant people met in the past of the present life. 3) Patriotism Look at government offices in the USA where it looks compulsory to have a US flag standing somewhere, trying to evoke emotions, identification, link with the past, create new karma. 4) Patriarchal societies Karma transmitted by culture, and example. 5) Abusive people We know that the theme of abuse often runs through generations and families. Karma transmitted through family ties. To be abusive "feels right" (attachment) and not being abusive "feels out of sorts, wrong, uncomfortable" (aversion). The person does what feels right, re-seeding the karma for himself and future generations. 6) Traumatic events Karma generated through intense ego-identification in a situation where there is the real and acute possibility of annihilation (fear of death) which may haunt the survivor for years to come. 7) Genetics karma transmitted by means of a physical medium and with the knowledge that you have a certain disposition inherently attached to you comes an emotional charge. : karma is a primitive way to explain the complexity of human destiny : with his joys and sorrows and sometimes great or ill fate.. : the judeo Christian credo took part of it to explain the original sin : and the painful living of humanity and the notion of sin and punishment : The Karma philosophy was also the base of the indian social : establishment in Caste .. so one inherited from the past( previous : lives) his present and and had to fit into it willing or unwilling and : his future will be a projection of his past and present unless..... he : acted as he was supposed to act in his actual situation : very complicate and clever system to dominate minds 8) Hanging on to out-dated explanations which are neither applicable or appropriate to present day life. Links to 2) : when unskilled wannabee( do it yourself people) like most of us want : to put their finger playing on something that they do not know or : partially or incompletely known, and often on topics learned on : fakes texts , the only thing they con do is : damage .. : and many of us ,here ,take their dreams or fears, or parrot-like : learned knowledge.. for realities .. 9) And this is out common karmic past, generated and upheld by what goes as education, science, economics and all the other things we are so proud of, and have to maintain at all costs. GW Bush said "My job is to preserve the American way of life" and with this, and by acting on it, he has created karma for the USA, and the planet, for decades to come. In many parts of the world we are now reaping the karmic fruits of what what sown by colonial powers, and decisions made and imposed on the people who were directly affected. Karma =unresolved emotional residue =emotions that still have an energetic charge -- Namu Amida Butsu Peter Reber "Life knows its needs" ###### From: stuv@cix.co.uk (Stuart Vernon) Newsgroups: alt.healing.reiki Subject: Re: Karma [Re: my 2 cents] Date: Sun, 25 Jul 2004 10:09 +0100 (BST) Lines: 6 Message-ID: References: <41035f1f.0@news1.mweb.co.za> Reply-To: stuv@cix.co.uk X-Trace: news.uni-berlin.de LDGTBEjHiit2ZzEsS79guwnCwKjjm/3v1rM/ArzCXYkNlAsZ4= X-News-Software: Ameol2 X-URL: http://www.ameol.com Path: nightfall.franklin.ch!pfaff2.ethz.ch!news-zh.switch.ch!switch.ch!solnet.ch!solnet.ch!fu-berlin.de!uni-berlin.de!not-for-mail Xref: nightfall.franklin.ch alt.healing.reiki:18086 Excellent analysis, Peter .. Stuart ###### From: "Phasedreality" Newsgroups: alt.healing.reiki References: <41035f1f.0@news1.mweb.co.za> Subject: Re: Karma [Re: my 2 cents] Date: Sun, 25 Jul 2004 11:02:54 +0100 Lines: 9 Organization: Phasedreality X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1409 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1409 X-Complaints-To: abuse@clara.net (please include full headers) X-Trace: d926078ae628680a58612198f4b5218a4147900448d869f2662e019a4103854a NNTP-Posting-Date: Sun, 25 Jul 2004 11:02:50 +0100 Message-ID: <1090749770.61797.0@dyke.uk.clara.net> Path: nightfall.franklin.ch!pfaff2.ethz.ch!news-zh.switch.ch!switch.ch!solnet.ch!solnet.ch!news2.euro.net!fr.ip.ndsoftware.net!proxad.net!proxad.net!213.253.16.105.MISMATCH!mephistopheles.news.clara.net!news.clara.net!dyke.uk.clara.net Xref: nightfall.franklin.ch alt.healing.reiki:18087 Stuart Vernon wrote > Excellent analysis, Peter .. Yeah, couldn't agree more! Dan. ###### From: gdwill@earthlink.net (Garry Williams) Newsgroups: alt.healing.reiki Subject: Re: Karma [Re: my 2 cents] Date: Sun, 25 Jul 2004 11:13:23 GMT Lines: 105 Message-ID: <410395b6.2181684@news.Individual.NET> References: <41035f1f.0@news1.mweb.co.za> Reply-To: gdwill@earthlink.net X-Trace: news.uni-berlin.de OLSz+alKtoRnkUK7uRdq7QZT1ZIfuQ9pwXhAmCqtdMABJGpavw X-Newsreader: Forte Free Agent 1.11/32.235 Path: nightfall.franklin.ch!pfaff2.ethz.ch!news-zh.switch.ch!switch.ch!solnet.ch!solnet.ch!fu-berlin.de!uni-berlin.de!not-for-mail Xref: nightfall.franklin.ch alt.healing.reiki:18092 Many thanks for the follow up, Peter! Garry On Sun, 25 Jul 2004 09:13:31 +0200, "pr" wrote: > >"Theo" wrote in message >news:cdt7dk$d1o$2@news.eusc.inter.net... > >: I do not believe in Karma > >Karma >=unresolved emotional residue >=emotions that still have an energetic charge > >examples: >1) The Swiss and their principle of neutrality. Why not just give it up? >Because it has been the policy for hundreds of years and has >proven to be beneficial to Switzerland and its people? > >Identification = attachment = karma going back to the middle age. > >2) Take some of your posts whenever the topic touching >traditional religions make their appearance in the NG. > >Identification = aversion = karma, probably generated in this life >but also possibly transmitted through significant people met in >the past of the present life. > >3) Patriotism >Look at government offices in the USA where it looks >compulsory to have a US flag standing somewhere, >trying to evoke emotions, identification, link with the >past, create new karma. > >4) Patriarchal societies >Karma transmitted by culture, and example. > >5) Abusive people >We know that the theme of abuse often runs through generations >and families. >Karma transmitted through family ties. To be abusive "feels right" >(attachment) and not being abusive "feels out of sorts, wrong, >uncomfortable" (aversion). The person does what feels right, >re-seeding the karma for himself and future generations. > >6) Traumatic events >Karma generated through intense ego-identification in a >situation where there is the real and acute possibility of >annihilation (fear of death) which may haunt the survivor >for years to come. > >7) Genetics >karma transmitted by means of a physical medium and with >the knowledge that you have a certain disposition inherently >attached to you comes an emotional charge. > >: karma is a primitive way to explain the complexity of human destiny >: with his joys and sorrows and sometimes great or ill fate.. >: the judeo Christian credo took part of it to explain the original sin >: and the painful living of humanity and the notion of sin and punishment >: The Karma philosophy was also the base of the indian social >: establishment in Caste .. so one inherited from the past( previous >: lives) his present and and had to fit into it willing or unwilling and >: his future will be a projection of his past and present unless..... he >: acted as he was supposed to act in his actual situation >: very complicate and clever system to dominate minds > >8) Hanging on to out-dated explanations which are neither >applicable or appropriate to present day life. Links to 2) > >: when unskilled wannabee( do it yourself people) like most of us want >: to put their finger playing on something that they do not know or >: partially or incompletely known, and often on topics learned on >: fakes texts , the only thing they con do is : damage .. > >: and many of us ,here ,take their dreams or fears, or parrot-like >: learned knowledge.. for realities .. > >9) And this is out common karmic past, generated and upheld by >what goes as education, science, economics and all the other >things we are so proud of, and have to maintain at all costs. >GW Bush said "My job is to preserve the American way of life" >and with this, and by acting on it, he has created karma for the >USA, and the planet, for decades to come. > >In many parts of the world we are now reaping the karmic fruits >of what what sown by colonial powers, and decisions made and >imposed on the people who were directly affected. > >Karma >=unresolved emotional residue >=emotions that still have an energetic charge > >-- >Namu Amida Butsu >Peter Reber >"Life knows its needs" > > > > > ###### From: stuv@cix.co.uk (Stuart Vernon) Newsgroups: alt.healing.reiki Subject: Re: Karma [Re: my 2 cents] Date: Sun, 25 Jul 2004 12:35 +0100 (BST) Lines: 16 Message-ID: References: <1090749770.61797.0@dyke.uk.clara.net> Reply-To: stuv@cix.co.uk X-Trace: news.uni-berlin.de YPDl9bpRWqy1xrzfBKj9rQv7V/R6OI2CihCEyPCUg6gKSr34s= X-News-Software: Ameol2 X-URL: http://www.ameol.com Path: nightfall.franklin.ch!pfaff2.ethz.ch!news-zh.switch.ch!switch.ch!solnet.ch!solnet.ch!fu-berlin.de!uni-berlin.de!not-for-mail Xref: nightfall.franklin.ch alt.healing.reiki:18094 I really meant "synopsis" .. Peter is free and abandoned with words .. :) Stuart (Phasedreality) wrote: > Stuart Vernon wrote > > > Excellent analysis, Peter .. > > Yeah, couldn't agree more! > > Dan. ###### From: Theo Newsgroups: alt.healing.reiki Subject: Re: Karma [Re: my 2 cents] Date: Sun, 25 Jul 2004 14:30:59 +0200 Organization: [Posted via] Inter.net Germany GmbH Lines: 49 Message-ID: References: <41035f1f.0@news1.mweb.co.za> <410395b6.2181684@news.Individual.NET> Reply-To: byjoke@ch.inter.net Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Trace: news.eusc.inter.net 1090758664 7268 212.59.169.108 (25 Jul 2004 12:31:04 GMT) X-Complaints-To: abuse@eusc.inter.net User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows; U; Windows NT 5.1; en-US; rv:1.4) Gecko/20030624 Netscape/7.1 (ax) X-Accept-Language: en, fr, it In-Reply-To: <410395b6.2181684@news.Individual.NET> Path: nightfall.franklin.ch!pfaff2.ethz.ch!news-zh.switch.ch!irazu.switch.ch!switch.ch!tiscali!newsfeed1.ip.tiscali.net!feed.news.tiscali.de!eusc.inter.net!news.eusc.inter.net!not-for-mail Xref: nightfall.franklin.ch alt.healing.reiki:18099 Garry Williams wrote: >>Karma >>=unresolved emotional residue >>=emotions that still have an energetic charge should be proven taht this goes beyon teh barrier of death and rebirt ..and if rebirt exists also ,. so two MAJOR IF!!! of size >>examples: >>1) The Swiss and their principle of neutrality. Why not just give it up? >>Because it has been the policy for hundreds of years and has >>proven to be beneficial to Switzerland and its people? what do you know of the side effects of that policy? we are hiddenly more militarist than Americans and when you haev to amke your military dity for 25 yeras about 3 weeks per year ... the militray menatality smears onto your work and family .. far less actually .. >>Identification = attachment = karma going back to the middle age. >> >>2) Take some of your posts whenever the topic touching >>traditional religions make their appearance in the NG. >> >>Identification = aversion = karma, probably generated in this life >>but also possibly transmitted through significant people met in >>the past of the present life. this has to be evidenced ...:-) >>3) Patriotism >>Look at government offices in the USA where it looks >>compulsory to have a US flag standing somewhere, I do not mind the american flag is so charming ... that is hard to tarnish the emotion it brings ... as Nazi flag, instead , always rise foe and fear well I count on you to make out ofsomething simple csomething quite complicate :-) cheers Theo_694@hotmail.com MSN messanger / or ICQ 25 666 169 4 «»«»«» Just for today... don't worry .....be happy «»«»«» ###### From: stuv@cix.co.uk (Stuart Vernon) Newsgroups: alt.healing.reiki Subject: Re: Karma [Re: my 2 cents] Date: Sun, 25 Jul 2004 13:35 +0100 (BST) Lines: 14 Message-ID: References: Reply-To: stuv@cix.co.uk X-Trace: news.uni-berlin.de T7YsSpjKC8zPFI/flzzR/QM21DMqOYOg2UNjhpUmaEUlQomvw= X-News-Software: Ameol2 X-URL: http://www.ameol.com Path: nightfall.franklin.ch!pfaff2.ethz.ch!news-zh.switch.ch!switch.ch!solnet.ch!solnet.ch!fu-berlin.de!uni-berlin.de!not-for-mail Xref: nightfall.franklin.ch alt.healing.reiki:18101 Precisely Peter's point, Theo .. control by whatever emotional means .. Stuart (Theo) wrote: > I do not mind the american flag is so charming ... that is hard to > tarnish the emotion it brings ... > as Nazi flag, instead , always rise foe and fear > > well I count on you to make out ofsomething simple csomething quite > complicate :-) ###### From: Kevin Newsgroups: alt.healing.reiki Subject: Re: Karma [Re: my 2 cents] Date: Sun, 25 Jul 2004 08:18:42 -0600 Organization: NMIX Reader Lines: 38 Message-ID: <20040725081842.47bace4f.arthealer@newmexico.com> References: <41035f1f.0@news1.mweb.co.za> NNTP-Posting-Host: albcmcs1-du117.cybermesa.com Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Trace: reader2.nmix.net 1090765033 10289 65.19.43.117 (25 Jul 2004 14:17:13 GMT) X-Complaints-To: usenet@nmix.net NNTP-Posting-Date: Sun, 25 Jul 2004 14:17:13 +0000 (UTC) X-Newsreader: Sylpheed version 0.8.8 (GTK+ 1.2.10; i686-pc-linux-gnu) Path: nightfall.franklin.ch!pfaff2.ethz.ch!news-zh.switch.ch!irazu.switch.ch!switch.ch!newsfeed00.sul.t-online.de!t-online.de!border2.nntp.dca.giganews.com!nntp.giganews.com!wns13feed!worldnet.att.net!63.223.4.70!c01.usenetserver.com!c03.atl99!news.usenetserver.com!feeder.nmix.net!reader2.nmix.net!not-for-mail Xref: nightfall.franklin.ch alt.healing.reiki:18107 On Sun, 25 Jul 2004 09:13:31 +0200 "pr" wrote: > > "Theo" wrote in message > news:cdt7dk$d1o$2@news.eusc.inter.net... > > > Karma > =unresolved emotional residue > =emotions that still have an energetic charge Do you remember peter making a comment to the effect that to your knowledge there is not any magor religion based around emotions? Well . . . . - Lobotomys resolve karma. -All "karma" by this definition would have to be created new *this* life time!! There is no "karma" older than the life span a human being. -Genetic "karma" takes a huge leap of faith. It's the old nature/nurture arguement. -If karma is unresolved emotional charges, one can neither create karma for another, or for an intire nation. - One cannot surmize the "karma" of an entire nation based on the policies of law-makers. - peter, if emotions are the GOD of experience here, then why do you give your power to choose experience to another person? In other words, you allow people to create *your* karma!?? example: when someone "makes" you angry. The ramifications of this business of anybody can give you karma would mean that any individual effort is useless here. i don't buy it. love is. . . . ###### From: stuv@cix.co.uk (Stuart Vernon) Newsgroups: alt.healing.reiki Subject: Re: Karma [Re: my 2 cents] Date: Sun, 25 Jul 2004 16:57 +0100 (BST) Lines: 28 Message-ID: References: <20040725081842.47bace4f.arthealer@newmexico.com> Reply-To: stuv@cix.co.uk X-Trace: news.uni-berlin.de xh79mzWGXylzQWYIBZGRkQzEwkf15mTNhTNNvEWI6DyuirOOk= X-News-Software: Ameol2 X-URL: http://www.ameol.com Path: nightfall.franklin.ch!pfaff2.ethz.ch!news-zh.switch.ch!switch.ch!solnet.ch!solnet.ch!fu-berlin.de!uni-berlin.de!not-for-mail Xref: nightfall.franklin.ch alt.healing.reiki:18110 My RM and I used to have "discussions" about free-will and legacy concepts .. she maintains that "Nothing matters" .. I'm inclined to agree .. :) (Kevin) wrote: > - Lobotomys resolve karma. > -All "karma" by this definition would have to be created > new *this* life time!! There is no "karma" older than the life > span a human being. > -Genetic "karma" takes a huge leap of faith. It's the old > nature/nurture arguement. > -If karma is unresolved emotional charges, one can neither create > karma for another, or for an intire nation. > - One cannot surmize the "karma" of an entire nation based on the > policies of law-makers. > - peter, if emotions are the GOD of experience here, then why > do you give your power to choose experience to another person? > In other words, you allow people to create *your* karma!?? > example: when someone "makes" you angry. The ramifications of > this business of anybody can give you karma would mean that any > individual effort is useless here. > i don't buy it. > love is. . . . ###### From: Kevin Newsgroups: alt.healing.reiki Subject: Re: Karma [Re: my 2 cents] Date: Sun, 25 Jul 2004 10:25:28 -0600 Organization: NMIX Reader Lines: 43 Message-ID: <20040725102528.74426f9c.arthealer@newmexico.com> References: <20040725081842.47bace4f.arthealer@newmexico.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: albcmcs1-du137.cybermesa.com Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Trace: reader2.nmix.net 1090772567 27542 65.19.43.137 (25 Jul 2004 16:22:47 GMT) X-Complaints-To: usenet@nmix.net NNTP-Posting-Date: Sun, 25 Jul 2004 16:22:47 +0000 (UTC) X-Newsreader: Sylpheed version 0.8.8 (GTK+ 1.2.10; i686-pc-linux-gnu) Path: nightfall.franklin.ch!pfaff2.ethz.ch!news-zh.switch.ch!switch.ch!news.imp.ch!news.imp.ch!209.11.36.156.MISMATCH!nntp-server.pubsub.com!border1.nntp.dca.giganews.com!nntp.giganews.com!atl-c02.usenetserver.com!c03.atl99!news.usenetserver.com!feeder.nmix.net!reader2.nmix.net!not-for-mail Xref: nightfall.franklin.ch alt.healing.reiki:18111 On Sun, 25 Jul 2004 16:57 +0100 (BST) stuv@cix.co.uk (Stuart Vernon) wrote: > > > > My RM and I used to have "discussions" about free-will and > legacy concepts .. she maintains that "Nothing matters" .. I'm > inclined to agree .. :) lol. ..my ex maintained that there is no such thing as "free" will and i (of course) took the other side. "Any choice made" she said, "was" simply because you really only could "choose" what you did, given several options. We enjoy fooling ourseves into believing we have choices but could only do one thing. . . .that being, the one of your "choice". Seems logical enough:) love is. . . > (Kevin) wrote: > > > - Lobotomys resolve karma. > > -All "karma" by this definition would have to be created > > new *this* life time!! There is no "karma" older than the life > > span a human being. > > -Genetic "karma" takes a huge leap of faith. It's the old > > nature/nurture arguement. > > -If karma is unresolved emotional charges, one can neither create > > karma for another, or for an intire nation. > > - One cannot surmize the "karma" of an entire nation based on the > > policies of law-makers. > > - peter, if emotions are the GOD of experience here, then why > > do you give your power to choose experience to another person? > > In other words, you allow people to create *your* karma!?? > > example: when someone "makes" you angry. The ramifications of > > this business of anybody can give you karma would mean that any > > individual effort is useless here. > > i don't buy it. > > love is. . . . > ###### From: stuv@cix.co.uk (Stuart Vernon) Newsgroups: alt.healing.reiki Subject: Re: Karma [Re: my 2 cents] Date: Sun, 25 Jul 2004 17:31 +0100 (BST) Lines: 15 Message-ID: References: <20040725102528.74426f9c.arthealer@newmexico.com> Reply-To: stuv@cix.co.uk X-Trace: news.uni-berlin.de An7efqKwXKLHRBLSTfhUPQGTSeX/JCpW3//w5LgrRYqvACJlw= X-News-Software: Ameol2 X-URL: http://www.ameol.com Path: nightfall.franklin.ch!pfaff2.ethz.ch!news-zh.switch.ch!switch.ch!solnet.ch!solnet.ch!fu-berlin.de!uni-berlin.de!not-for-mail Xref: nightfall.franklin.ch alt.healing.reiki:18112 Bang on, Kevin ... :) So Bush and Blair are vindicated? Stuart (Kevin) wrote: > "Any choice made" she said, "was" simply because > you really only could "choose" what you did, given several options. > We enjoy fooling ourseves into believing we have choices but could > only do one thing. . . .that being, the one of your "choice". > Seems logical enough:) ###### From: "pr" Newsgroups: alt.healing.reiki References: <41035f1f.0@news1.mweb.co.za> <410395b6.2181684@news.Individual.NET> Subject: Re: Karma [Re: my 2 cents] Date: Sun, 25 Jul 2004 17:17:08 +0200 Lines: 59 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1106 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1106 NNTP-Posting-Host: nld-dial-196-7-200-30.mweb.co.za Message-ID: <4104d19e.0@news1.mweb.co.za> X-Trace: 26 Jul 2004 11:40:46 +0200, nld-dial-196-7-200-30.mweb.co.za Path: nightfall.franklin.ch!pfaff2.ethz.ch!news-zh.switch.ch!switch.ch!solnet.ch!solnet.ch!news.glorb.com!newsfeed.hal-mli.net!feeder1.hal-mli.net!enews.sgi.com!uunet.co.za!news1.mweb.co.za!nld-dial-196-7-200-30.mweb.co.za Xref: nightfall.franklin.ch alt.healing.reiki:18164 "Theo" wrote in message news:ce0968$734$1@news.eusc.inter.net... : : Garry Williams wrote: : : >>Karma : >>=unresolved emotional residue : >>=emotions that still have an energetic charge : should be proven taht this goes beyon teh barrier of death and : rebirt ..and if rebirt exists also ,. : so two MAJOR IF!!! of size Culture, genetics, certain principles in families like silence or upholding the familie's honor, extend far beyond our death. So do religious teachings, beliefs in spirits, ancestors, etc. Asolutely no problem to prove that because I do not have to prove whether these things exists but only whether the belief in these things exists. : >>examples: : >>1) The Swiss and their principle of neutrality. Why not just give it up? : >>Because it has been the policy for hundreds of years and has : >>proven to be beneficial to Switzerland and its people? : : what do you know of the side effects of that policy? I grew up in Bern, did my RS (initial military training) in Payern and the additional electronic mechanic's training to work on the Mirage 3 jet fighters' radar and missile guidance systems in Buochs. So I should know just a little bit about it. : >>Identification = attachment = karma going back to the middle age. : >> : >>2) Take some of your posts whenever the topic touching : >>traditional religions make their appearance in the NG. : >> : >>Identification = aversion = karma, probably generated in this life : >>but also possibly transmitted through significant people met in : >>the past of the present life. : : this has to be evidenced ...:-) Eh? You mean to say that yout parents, and possibly siblings, had no effect on you whatsoever? What more evidence do you need? -- Namu Amida Butsu Peter Reber "Life knows its needs" ###### From: Theo Newsgroups: alt.healing.reiki Subject: Re: Karma [Re: my 2 cents] Date: Sun, 25 Jul 2004 22:08:23 +0200 Organization: [Posted via] Inter.net Germany GmbH Lines: 41 Message-ID: References: <20040725081842.47bace4f.arthealer@newmexico.com> Reply-To: byjoke@ch.inter.net Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Trace: news.eusc.inter.net 1090786107 22639 212.59.169.108 (25 Jul 2004 20:08:27 GMT) X-Complaints-To: abuse@eusc.inter.net User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows; U; Windows NT 5.1; en-US; rv:1.4) Gecko/20030624 Netscape/7.1 (ax) X-Accept-Language: en, fr, it In-Reply-To: Path: nightfall.franklin.ch!pfaff2.ethz.ch!news-zh.switch.ch!switch.ch!news.imp.ch!news.imp.ch!eusc.inter.net!news.eusc.inter.net!not-for-mail Xref: nightfall.franklin.ch alt.healing.reiki:18133 pleeez do stop of making a pot puorris new age style with religions of different countries the last one mixs produced Voodo Stuart Vernon wrote: > > My RM and I used to have "discussions" about free-will and > legacy concepts .. she maintains that "Nothing matters" .. I'm > inclined to agree .. :) > (Kevin) wrote: > >> - Lobotomys resolve karma. >> -All "karma" by this definition would have to be created new >> *this* life time!! There is no "karma" older than the life >> span a human being. >> -Genetic "karma" takes a huge leap of faith. It's the old >> nature/nurture arguement. >> -If karma is unresolved emotional charges, one can neither >> create karma for another, or for an intire nation. >> - One cannot surmize the "karma" of an entire nation based on >> the policies of law-makers. >> - peter, if emotions are the GOD of experience here, then why >> do you give your power to choose experience to another person? >> In other words, you allow people to create *your* karma!?? >> example: when someone "makes" you angry. The ramifications of >> this business of anybody can give you karma would mean that any >> individual effort is useless here. >> i don't buy it. >> love is. . . . > -- Theo_694@hotmail.com MSN messanger / or ICQ 25 666 169 4 «»«»«» Just for today... don't worry .....be happy «»«»«» ###### From: gdwill@earthlink.net (Garry Williams) Newsgroups: alt.healing.reiki Subject: Re: Karma [Re: my 2 cents] Date: Sun, 25 Jul 2004 20:37:34 GMT Lines: 13 Message-ID: <410419e8.1631661@news.Individual.NET> References: <20040725102528.74426f9c.arthealer@newmexico.com> Reply-To: gdwill@earthlink.net X-Trace: news.uni-berlin.de FNkD1wXzjVqXKt9pscvgIQfQsS51V052wsN33Q/W27zg1Ak3Xj X-Newsreader: Forte Free Agent 1.11/32.235 Path: nightfall.franklin.ch!pfaff2.ethz.ch!news-zh.switch.ch!irazu.switch.ch!switch.ch!news.belwue.de!fu-berlin.de!uni-berlin.de!not-for-mail Xref: nightfall.franklin.ch alt.healing.reiki:18140 On Sun, 25 Jul 2004 17:31 +0100 (BST), stuv@cix.co.uk (Stuart Vernon) wrote: > >Bang on, Kevin ... :) > >So Bush and Blair are vindicated? And Satan, too? };-> Garry ###### From: stuv@cix.co.uk (Stuart Vernon) Newsgroups: alt.healing.reiki Subject: Re: Karma [Re: my 2 cents] Date: Sun, 25 Jul 2004 23:26 +0100 (BST) Lines: 9 Message-ID: References: <410419e8.1631661@news.Individual.NET> Reply-To: stuv@cix.co.uk X-Trace: news.uni-berlin.de iuGb9XEv6tLKwBaCTKd1BQMtUzt/LnnVgM8C9G4JZriXpmkpg= X-News-Software: Ameol2 X-URL: http://www.ameol.com Path: nightfall.franklin.ch!pfaff2.ethz.ch!news-zh.switch.ch!switch.ch!solnet.ch!solnet.ch!fu-berlin.de!uni-berlin.de!not-for-mail Xref: nightfall.franklin.ch alt.healing.reiki:18148 > >So Bush and Blair are vindicated? > > And Satan, too? };-> Depends on his PR .. Stuart ###### From: "Malcolm Starke" Newsgroups: alt.healing.reiki Subject: Re: Karma [Re: my 2 cents] Date: Sun, 25 Jul 2004 22:47:48 +0000 (UTC) Organization: BT Openworld Lines: 106 Message-ID: References: <41035f1f.0@news1.mweb.co.za> NNTP-Posting-Host: host81-156-25-41.range81-156.btcentralplus.com X-Trace: hercules.btinternet.com 1090795668 9821 81.156.25.41 (25 Jul 2004 22:47:48 GMT) X-Complaints-To: news-complaints@lists.btinternet.com NNTP-Posting-Date: Sun, 25 Jul 2004 22:47:48 +0000 (UTC) X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1437 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Priority: 3 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1441 Path: nightfall.franklin.ch!pfaff2.ethz.ch!news-zh.switch.ch!irazu.switch.ch!switch.ch!newsfeed00.sul.t-online.de!t-online.de!news.zanker.org!dedekind.zen.co.uk!zen.net.uk!demorgan.zen.co.uk!194.72.9.35.MISMATCH!news-peer1!btnet-feed5!btnet!news.btopenworld.com!not-for-mail Xref: nightfall.franklin.ch alt.healing.reiki:18150 I like this post. Dont agree with whole screeds of it - but I like it. Thanks peter. Hils "pr" wrote in message news:41035f1f.0@news1.mweb.co.za... > > "Theo" wrote in message > news:cdt7dk$d1o$2@news.eusc.inter.net... > > : I do not believe in Karma > > Karma > =unresolved emotional residue > =emotions that still have an energetic charge > > examples: > 1) The Swiss and their principle of neutrality. Why not just give it up? > Because it has been the policy for hundreds of years and has > proven to be beneficial to Switzerland and its people? > > Identification = attachment = karma going back to the middle age. > > 2) Take some of your posts whenever the topic touching > traditional religions make their appearance in the NG. > > Identification = aversion = karma, probably generated in this life > but also possibly transmitted through significant people met in > the past of the present life. > > 3) Patriotism > Look at government offices in the USA where it looks > compulsory to have a US flag standing somewhere, > trying to evoke emotions, identification, link with the > past, create new karma. > > 4) Patriarchal societies > Karma transmitted by culture, and example. > > 5) Abusive people > We know that the theme of abuse often runs through generations > and families. > Karma transmitted through family ties. To be abusive "feels right" > (attachment) and not being abusive "feels out of sorts, wrong, > uncomfortable" (aversion). The person does what feels right, > re-seeding the karma for himself and future generations. > > 6) Traumatic events > Karma generated through intense ego-identification in a > situation where there is the real and acute possibility of > annihilation (fear of death) which may haunt the survivor > for years to come. > > 7) Genetics > karma transmitted by means of a physical medium and with > the knowledge that you have a certain disposition inherently > attached to you comes an emotional charge. > > : karma is a primitive way to explain the complexity of human destiny > : with his joys and sorrows and sometimes great or ill fate.. > : the judeo Christian credo took part of it to explain the original sin > : and the painful living of humanity and the notion of sin and punishment > : The Karma philosophy was also the base of the indian social > : establishment in Caste .. so one inherited from the past( previous > : lives) his present and and had to fit into it willing or unwilling and > : his future will be a projection of his past and present unless..... he > : acted as he was supposed to act in his actual situation > : very complicate and clever system to dominate minds > > 8) Hanging on to out-dated explanations which are neither > applicable or appropriate to present day life. Links to 2) > > : when unskilled wannabee( do it yourself people) like most of us want > : to put their finger playing on something that they do not know or > : partially or incompletely known, and often on topics learned on > : fakes texts , the only thing they con do is : damage .. > > : and many of us ,here ,take their dreams or fears, or parrot-like > : learned knowledge.. for realities .. > > 9) And this is out common karmic past, generated and upheld by > what goes as education, science, economics and all the other > things we are so proud of, and have to maintain at all costs. > GW Bush said "My job is to preserve the American way of life" > and with this, and by acting on it, he has created karma for the > USA, and the planet, for decades to come. > > In many parts of the world we are now reaping the karmic fruits > of what what sown by colonial powers, and decisions made and > imposed on the people who were directly affected. > > Karma > =unresolved emotional residue > =emotions that still have an energetic charge > > -- > Namu Amida Butsu > Peter Reber > "Life knows its needs" > > > > > ###### From: "Hilary Starke" Newsgroups: alt.healing.reiki Subject: Re: Karma [Re: my 2 cents] Date: Sun, 25 Jul 2004 22:52:28 +0000 (UTC) Organization: BT Openworld Lines: 47 Message-ID: References: <20040725081842.47bace4f.arthealer@newmexico.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: host81-156-25-41.range81-156.btcentralplus.com X-Trace: titan.btinternet.com 1090795948 17852 81.156.25.41 (25 Jul 2004 22:52:28 GMT) X-Complaints-To: news-complaints@lists.btinternet.com NNTP-Posting-Date: Sun, 25 Jul 2004 22:52:28 +0000 (UTC) X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1437 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Priority: 3 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1441 Path: nightfall.franklin.ch!pfaff2.ethz.ch!news-zh.switch.ch!switch.ch!solnet.ch!solnet.ch!195.14.215.231.MISMATCH!news.netcologne.de!newsfeed-fusi.netcologne.de!news.zanker.org!dedekind.zen.co.uk!zen.net.uk!demorgan.zen.co.uk!194.72.9.35.MISMATCH!news-peer1!btnet-feed5!btnet!news.btopenworld.com!not-for-mail Xref: nightfall.franklin.ch alt.healing.reiki:18151 You sound like a very accepting person. My students are still disagreeing with me in droves. What do you know that I dont? If you feel like sharing, on list or off, I will be fascinated, c'est la va sans dire? Of course, this is one of the myriad of reasons that we are still communicating. I am a big fan of feedback - in fact my students love the open opportunity to tell me what was truly appalling about the course and what they liked best. I digest this information as best I can, when I am calm, and conscientiously bear it in mind for the next course. Love and hugs Namaste Hils "Stuart Vernon" wrote in message news:memo.20040725165721.336M@stuv.compulink.co.uk... > > > > My RM and I used to have "discussions" about free-will and > legacy concepts .. she maintains that "Nothing matters" .. I'm > inclined to agree .. :) > > (Kevin) wrote: > > > - Lobotomys resolve karma. > > -All "karma" by this definition would have to be created > > new *this* life time!! There is no "karma" older than the life > > span a human being. > > -Genetic "karma" takes a huge leap of faith. It's the old > > nature/nurture arguement. > > -If karma is unresolved emotional charges, one can neither create > > karma for another, or for an intire nation. > > - One cannot surmize the "karma" of an entire nation based on the > > policies of law-makers. > > - peter, if emotions are the GOD of experience here, then why > > do you give your power to choose experience to another person? > > In other words, you allow people to create *your* karma!?? > > example: when someone "makes" you angry. The ramifications of > > this business of anybody can give you karma would mean that any > > individual effort is useless here. > > i don't buy it. > > love is. . . . > ###### From: stuv@cix.co.uk (Stuart Vernon) Newsgroups: alt.healing.reiki Subject: Re: Karma [Re: my 2 cents] Date: Mon, 26 Jul 2004 00:03 +0100 (BST) Lines: 23 Message-ID: References: Reply-To: stuv@cix.co.uk X-Trace: news.uni-berlin.de 0pG6uIsGO40tSqu1sF2RTwF6i1AWP6v4SByjD5J2yzxlYCrVo= X-News-Software: Ameol2 X-URL: http://www.ameol.com Path: nightfall.franklin.ch!pfaff2.ethz.ch!news-zh.switch.ch!irazu.switch.ch!switch.ch!newsmi-eu.news.garr.it!NewsITBone-GARR!fu-berlin.de!uni-berlin.de!not-for-mail Xref: nightfall.franklin.ch alt.healing.reiki:18155 (Hilary Starke) wrote: > You sound like a very accepting person. Sure .... > My students are still disagreeing with me in droves. Maybe you're either a bad teacher or one who encourages her students to find their own way .. > What do you know that I dont? Quite a lot, actually .. > I digest this information as best I can, when I am > calm, and conscientiously bear it in mind for the next course. Preferably in a MS .doc format? Stuart ###### From: Kevin Newsgroups: alt.healing.reiki Subject: Re: Karma [Re: my 2 cents] Date: Sun, 25 Jul 2004 17:44:38 -0600 Organization: NMIX Reader Lines: 27 Message-ID: <20040725174438.7837d987.arthealer@newmexico.com> References: <20040725102528.74426f9c.arthealer@newmexico.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: albcmcs1-du227.cybermesa.com Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Trace: reader2.nmix.net 1090798908 21309 65.19.43.227 (25 Jul 2004 23:41:48 GMT) X-Complaints-To: usenet@nmix.net NNTP-Posting-Date: Sun, 25 Jul 2004 23:41:48 +0000 (UTC) X-Newsreader: Sylpheed version 0.8.8 (GTK+ 1.2.10; i686-pc-linux-gnu) Path: nightfall.franklin.ch!pfaff2.ethz.ch!news-zh.switch.ch!switch.ch!solnet.ch!solnet.ch!newsfeed.freenet.de!feed.news.tiscali.de!newsfeed.icl.net!newsfeed.fjserv.net!c03.atl99!news.usenetserver.com!feeder.nmix.net!reader2.nmix.net!not-for-mail Xref: nightfall.franklin.ch alt.healing.reiki:18157 On Sun, 25 Jul 2004 17:31 +0100 (BST) stuv@cix.co.uk (Stuart Vernon) wrote: > > Bang on, Kevin ... :) > > So Bush and Blair are vindicated? > well, er.. . .we can rest assured they haven't created any new karma:) love is. . . > Stuart > > (Kevin) wrote: > > > "Any choice made" she said, "was" simply because > > you really only could "choose" what you did, given several options. > > We enjoy fooling ourseves into believing we have choices but could > > only do one thing. . . .that being, the one of your "choice". > > Seems logical enough:) > ###### From: gdwill@earthlink.net (Garry Williams) Newsgroups: alt.healing.reiki Subject: Re: Karma [Re: my 2 cents] Date: Mon, 26 Jul 2004 10:24:58 GMT Lines: 14 Message-ID: <4104dbd0.1032338@news.Individual.NET> References: <410419e8.1631661@news.Individual.NET> Reply-To: gdwill@earthlink.net X-Trace: news.uni-berlin.de qT1X66r0XOdEI1uAUqnwGAZee8+hopBzvgUoFzTnuHMdRvjOff X-Newsreader: Forte Free Agent 1.11/32.235 Path: nightfall.franklin.ch!pfaff2.ethz.ch!news-zh.switch.ch!irazu.switch.ch!switch.ch!newsmi-eu.news.garr.it!NewsITBone-GARR!fu-berlin.de!uni-berlin.de!not-for-mail Xref: nightfall.franklin.ch alt.healing.reiki:18166 On Sun, 25 Jul 2004 23:26 +0100 (BST), stuv@cix.co.uk (Stuart Vernon) wrote: > >> >So Bush and Blair are vindicated? >> >> And Satan, too? };-> > >Depends on his PR .. PR works for the big S? Who'da thunk it? ;-) Garry ###### From: "pr" Newsgroups: alt.healing.reiki References: <20040725102528.74426f9c.arthealer@newmexico.com> Subject: Re: Karma [Re: my 2 cents] Date: Mon, 26 Jul 2004 12:45:01 +0200 Lines: 28 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1106 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1106 NNTP-Posting-Host: nld-dial-196-7-201-127.mweb.co.za Message-ID: <41051af3.0@news1.mweb.co.za> X-Trace: 26 Jul 2004 16:53:39 +0200, nld-dial-196-7-201-127.mweb.co.za Path: nightfall.franklin.ch!pfaff2.ethz.ch!news-zh.switch.ch!switch.ch!solnet.ch!solnet.ch!news.moat.net!newsfeed.hal-mli.net!feeder1.hal-mli.net!enews.sgi.com!uunet.co.za!news1.mweb.co.za!nld-dial-196-7-201-127.mweb.co.za Xref: nightfall.franklin.ch alt.healing.reiki:18170 "Stuart Vernon" wrote in message news:memo.20040725173112.336N@stuv.compulink.co.uk... : : Bang on, Kevin ... :) : : So Bush and Blair are vindicated? It depends. The ignorant have a choice. The liberated, or enlightened, do not. -- Namu Amida Butsu Peter Reber "Life knows its needs" : Stuart : : (Kevin) wrote: : : > "Any choice made" she said, "was" simply because : > you really only could "choose" what you did, given several options. : > We enjoy fooling ourseves into believing we have choices but could : > only do one thing. . . .that being, the one of your "choice". : > Seems logical enough:) : ###### From: "b0b" Newsgroups: alt.healing.reiki Subject: Re: Karma [Re: my 2 cents] Date: Mon, 26 Jul 2004 13:00:55 +0200 Lines: 26 Message-ID: <2mk6jaFng91qU1@uni-berlin.de> References: <41035f1f.0@news1.mweb.co.za> X-Trace: news.uni-berlin.de xYW8a2RTd0MSHpJkmcIqEggeOXVqBxCgmIXZUl3yYMmwdRwTPw X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1437 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1441 Path: nightfall.franklin.ch!pfaff2.ethz.ch!news-zh.switch.ch!irazu.switch.ch!switch.ch!newsfeed00.sul.t-online.de!newsfeed01.sul.t-online.de!t-online.de!fu-berlin.de!uni-berlin.de!not-for-mail Xref: nightfall.franklin.ch alt.healing.reiki:18167 "pr" wrote in message news:41035f1f.0@news1.mweb.co.za... > > "Theo" wrote in message > news:cdt7dk$d1o$2@news.eusc.inter.net... > > : I do not believe in Karma > > Karma > =unresolved emotional residue > =emotions that still have an energetic charge I have personally worked with several people who suffered from these problems. Perhaps it does not precisely fit the Esoteric view of Karma, but previous lifetime traumas, either "real" or "imagined" can be extremely devastating. They can cause both physical and mental illness. The more this is accepted, the quicker we can work to remove those barriers to getting well. My dogma got run over by my karma... b0b ###### From: Kevin Newsgroups: alt.healing.reiki Subject: Re: Karma [Re: my 2 cents] Date: Mon, 26 Jul 2004 06:44:01 -0600 Organization: NMIX Reader Lines: 92 Message-ID: <20040726064401.1ff223bd.arthealer@newmexico.com> References: <41035f1f.0@news1.mweb.co.za> <410395b6.2181684@news.Individual.NET> <4104d19e.0@news1.mweb.co.za> NNTP-Posting-Host: albcmcs1-du83.cybermesa.com Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Trace: reader2.nmix.net 1090850946 15862 65.19.43.83 (26 Jul 2004 14:09:06 GMT) X-Complaints-To: usenet@nmix.net NNTP-Posting-Date: Mon, 26 Jul 2004 14:09:06 +0000 (UTC) X-Newsreader: Sylpheed version 0.8.8 (GTK+ 1.2.10; i686-pc-linux-gnu) Path: nightfall.franklin.ch!pfaff2.ethz.ch!news-zh.switch.ch!switch.ch!news.imp.ch!news.imp.ch!snoopy.risq.qc.ca!cyclone.bc.net!logbridge.uoregon.edu!feeder.nmix.net!reader2.nmix.net!not-for-mail Xref: nightfall.franklin.ch alt.healing.reiki:18168 On Sun, 25 Jul 2004 17:17:08 +0200 "pr" wrote: > > "Theo" wrote in message > news:ce0968$734$1@news.eusc.inter.net... > : > : Garry Williams wrote: > : > : >>Karma > : >>=unresolved emotional residue > : >>=emotions that still have an energetic charge > : should be proven taht this goes beyon teh barrier of death and > : rebirt ..and if rebirt exists also ,. > : so two MAJOR IF!!! of size > > Culture, genetics, certain principles in families like silence or > upholding the familie's honor, extend far beyond our death. Culture, principles, silence, and honor are old world values. They are even temporary and fadish here. . .why would they carry importance elsewhere? what you discribe are *your* values. > So do religious teachings, beliefs in spirits, ancestors, etc. how about our credit rating?:) > Asolutely no problem to prove that because I do not have > to prove whether these things exists but only whether the > belief in these things exists. many believe in atheism. . . what does it prove? : >>examples: > : >>1) The Swiss and their principle of neutrality. Why not just give it up? > : >>Because it has been the policy for hundreds of years and has > : >>proven to be beneficial to Switzerland and its people? > : > : what do you know of the side effects of that policy? > > I grew up in Bern, did my RS (initial military training) in Payern and > the additional electronic mechanic's training to work on the Mirage 3 > jet fighters' radar and missile guidance systems in Buochs. > So I should know just a little bit about it. > but what you know nothing about is whether this is "karma" related or not. > : >>Identification = attachment = karma going back to the middle age. > : >> > : >>2) Take some of your posts whenever the topic touching > : >>traditional religions make their appearance in the NG. > : >> > : >>Identification = aversion = karma, probably generated in this life > : >>but also possibly transmitted through significant people met in > : >>the past of the present life. > : > : this has to be evidenced ...:-) > > Eh? You mean to say that yout parents, and possibly siblings, > had no effect on you whatsoever? What more evidence do you > need? So why call it "karma". . . why not just call it an aversion or or a viewpoint? Because you label it "karma" it carries more weight than simply a learned "attitude"? What is the difference? love is . . . > -- > Namu Amida Butsu > Peter Reber > "Life knows its needs" > > > > > > > > ###### From: "pr" Newsgroups: alt.healing.reiki References: <41035f1f.0@news1.mweb.co.za> <20040725081842.47bace4f.arthealer@newmexico.com> Subject: Re: Karma [Re: my 2 cents] Date: Mon, 26 Jul 2004 17:12:54 +0200 Lines: 66 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1106 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1106 NNTP-Posting-Host: nld-dial-196-7-201-157.mweb.co.za Message-ID: <41058e02.0@news1.mweb.co.za> X-Trace: 27 Jul 2004 01:04:34 +0200, nld-dial-196-7-201-157.mweb.co.za Path: nightfall.franklin.ch!pfaff2.ethz.ch!news-zh.switch.ch!switch.ch!solnet.ch!solnet.ch!news.glorb.com!newsfeed.hal-mli.net!feeder1.hal-mli.net!enews.sgi.com!uunet.co.za!news1.mweb.co.za!nld-dial-196-7-201-157.mweb.co.za Xref: nightfall.franklin.ch alt.healing.reiki:18187 "Kevin" wrote in message news:20040725081842.47bace4f.arthealer@newmexico.com... : On Sun, 25 Jul 2004 09:13:31 +0200 : "pr" wrote: : : > : > "Theo" wrote in message : > news:cdt7dk$d1o$2@news.eusc.inter.net... : > : : > : > Karma : > =unresolved emotional residue : > =emotions that still have an energetic charge : : Do you remember peter making a comment to the effect that : to your knowledge there is not any magor religion based : around emotions? Well . . . . : : - Lobotomys resolve karma. So do beheadings. But resolve karma for whom? : -All "karma" by this definition would have to be created : new *this* life time!! There is no "karma" older than the life : span a human being. Depends what you mean by created and what you take as the point of creation. : -If karma is unresolved emotional charges, one can neither create : karma for another, or for an intire nation. I don't think i ever said that karma can be created for another. As to familial or national karma that depends whether you buy into familial or national values, habits and practices and whether their acceptance, and especially their challenge, creates an emotional charge. : - peter, if emotions are the GOD of experience here, then why : do you give your power to choose experience to another person? To make emotions the GOD experience looks to me quite leap. Did I ever say something that could be interpreted in that way? : In other words, you allow people to create *your* karma!?? : example: when someone "makes" you angry. The ramifications of : this business of anybody can give you karma would mean that any : individual effort is useless here. Being angry, or any other other emotion, does not create karma unless one gets attached to it and then leaves it in an unresolved state. : i don't buy it. It's free! -- Namu Amida Butsu Peter Reber "Life knows its needs" ###### From: Kevin Newsgroups: alt.healing.reiki Subject: Re: Karma [Re: my 2 cents] Date: Mon, 26 Jul 2004 11:05:44 -0600 Organization: NMIX Reader Lines: 35 Message-ID: <20040726110544.00f328c1.arthealer@newmexico.com> References: <20040725102528.74426f9c.arthealer@newmexico.com> <41051af3.0@news1.mweb.co.za> NNTP-Posting-Host: albcmcs1-du128.cybermesa.com Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Trace: reader2.nmix.net 1090866641 20543 65.19.43.128 (26 Jul 2004 18:30:41 GMT) X-Complaints-To: usenet@nmix.net NNTP-Posting-Date: Mon, 26 Jul 2004 18:30:41 +0000 (UTC) X-Newsreader: Sylpheed version 0.8.8 (GTK+ 1.2.10; i686-pc-linux-gnu) Path: nightfall.franklin.ch!pfaff2.ethz.ch!news-zh.switch.ch!irazu.switch.ch!switch.ch!newsfeed00.sul.t-online.de!t-online.de!border2.nntp.dca.giganews.com!border1.nntp.dca.giganews.com!nntp.giganews.com!atl-c02.usenetserver.com!c03.atl99!news.usenetserver.com!feeder.nmix.net!reader2.nmix.net!not-for-mail Xref: nightfall.franklin.ch alt.healing.reiki:18175 On Mon, 26 Jul 2004 12:45:01 +0200 "pr" wrote: > > "Stuart Vernon" wrote in message > news:memo.20040725173112.336N@stuv.compulink.co.uk... > : > : Bang on, Kevin ... :) > : > : So Bush and Blair are vindicated? It depends. The ignorant have a choice. The liberated, or enlightened, do not. Then there is the anwser. love is. . . > -- > Namu Amida Butsu > Peter Reber > "Life knows its needs" > > : Stuart > : > : (Kevin) wrote: > : > : > "Any choice made" she said, "was" simply because > : > you really only could "choose" what you did, given several options. > : > We enjoy fooling ourseves into believing we have choices but could > : > only do one thing. . . .that being, the one of your "choice". > : > Seems logical enough:) > : > > ###### From: gaotanma@india.com (Garry) Newsgroups: alt.healing.reiki Subject: Re: Karma [Re: my 2 cents] Date: 26 Jul 2004 11:27:48 -0700 Organization: http://groups.google.com Lines: 14 Message-ID: References: <20040725102528.74426f9c.arthealer@newmexico.com> <41051af3.0@news1.mweb.co.za> NNTP-Posting-Host: 168.215.121.11 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Trace: posting.google.com 1090866468 29598 127.0.0.1 (26 Jul 2004 18:27:48 GMT) X-Complaints-To: groups-abuse@google.com NNTP-Posting-Date: Mon, 26 Jul 2004 18:27:48 +0000 (UTC) Path: nightfall.franklin.ch!pfaff2.ethz.ch!news-zh.switch.ch!switch.ch!solnet.ch!solnet.ch!news2.euro.net!fr.ip.ndsoftware.net!proxad.net!postnews2.google.com!not-for-mail Xref: nightfall.franklin.ch alt.healing.reiki:18174 "pr" wrote in message news:<41051af3.0@news1.mweb.co.za>... > "Stuart Vernon" wrote in message > news:memo.20040725173112.336N@stuv.compulink.co.uk... > : > : Bang on, Kevin ... :) > : > : So Bush and Blair are vindicated? > > It depends. The ignorant have a choice. > The liberated, or enlightened, do not. Well, I guess it's pretty safe to say that Bush and Blair aren't enlightened... Garry ###### From: stuv@cix.co.uk (Stuart Vernon) Newsgroups: alt.healing.reiki Subject: Re: Karma [Re: my 2 cents] Date: Mon, 26 Jul 2004 19:56 +0100 (BST) Lines: 10 Message-ID: References: Reply-To: stuv@cix.co.uk X-Trace: news.uni-berlin.de WogPZk7mw/TdlbvEObHaqAs5JjtOdBXGrVLgTiTmoYm/DYa5s= X-News-Software: Ameol2 X-URL: http://www.ameol.com Path: nightfall.franklin.ch!pfaff2.ethz.ch!news-zh.switch.ch!irazu.switch.ch!switch.ch!news.belwue.de!fu-berlin.de!uni-berlin.de!not-for-mail Xref: nightfall.franklin.ch alt.healing.reiki:18177 (TheMasterOfTheUnderstatement) wrote: > Well, I guess it's pretty safe to say that Bush and Blair aren't > enlightened... Cherie wears healing xtals and does woo-woo things, though ... ;) Stuart ###### From: stuv@cix.co.uk (Stuart Vernon) Newsgroups: alt.healing.reiki Subject: Re: Karma [Re: my 2 cents] Date: Mon, 26 Jul 2004 22:52 +0100 (BST) Lines: 10 Message-ID: References: Reply-To: stuv@cix.co.uk X-Trace: news.uni-berlin.de YKzgxZQVm26a324F3gV0iAb1IRBafbGzKRrBn6BqhdmNSo4T4= X-News-Software: Ameol2 X-URL: http://www.ameol.com Path: nightfall.franklin.ch!pfaff2.ethz.ch!news-zh.switch.ch!switch.ch!solnet.ch!solnet.ch!fu-berlin.de!uni-berlin.de!not-for-mail Xref: nightfall.franklin.ch alt.healing.reiki:18180 (Stuart Vernon) wrote: > Cherie wears healing xtals and does woo-woo things, though ... ;) Not forgetting that Nancy had the astrologers in every day to sort out Ronnie's (oleva shalom) schedule ... Stuart ###### From: Kevin Newsgroups: alt.healing.reiki Subject: Re: Karma [Re: my 2 cents] Date: Mon, 26 Jul 2004 17:37:45 -0600 Organization: NMIX Reader Lines: 107 Message-ID: <20040726173745.6a71fe12.arthealer@newmexico.com> References: <41035f1f.0@news1.mweb.co.za> <20040725081842.47bace4f.arthealer@newmexico.com> <41058e02.0@news1.mweb.co.za> NNTP-Posting-Host: albcmcs1-du223.cybermesa.com Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Trace: reader2.nmix.net 1090890231 31348 65.19.43.223 (27 Jul 2004 01:03:51 GMT) X-Complaints-To: usenet@nmix.net NNTP-Posting-Date: Tue, 27 Jul 2004 01:03:51 +0000 (UTC) X-Newsreader: Sylpheed version 0.8.8 (GTK+ 1.2.10; i686-pc-linux-gnu) Path: nightfall.franklin.ch!pfaff2.ethz.ch!news-zh.switch.ch!switch.ch!news.imp.ch!news.imp.ch!209.11.36.156.MISMATCH!nntp-server.pubsub.com!border1.nntp.dca.giganews.com!nntp.giganews.com!atl-c02.usenetserver.com!c03.atl99!news.usenetserver.com!feeder.nmix.net!reader2.nmix.net!not-for-mail Xref: nightfall.franklin.ch alt.healing.reiki:18193 On Mon, 26 Jul 2004 17:12:54 +0200 "pr" wrote: > > "Kevin" wrote in message > news:20040725081842.47bace4f.arthealer@newmexico.com... > : On Sun, 25 Jul 2004 09:13:31 +0200 > : "pr" wrote: > : > : > > : > "Theo" wrote in message > : > news:cdt7dk$d1o$2@news.eusc.inter.net... > : > > : > : > > : > Karma > : > =unresolved emotional residue > : > =emotions that still have an energetic charge > : > : Do you remember peter making a comment to the effect that > : to your knowledge there is not any magor religion based > : around emotions? Well . . . . > : > : - Lobotomys resolve karma. > > So do beheadings. But resolve karma for whom? i am a huge believer in: the only resolving that ever happens is self resolving. What do you think? > : -All "karma" by this definition would have to be created > : new *this* life time!! There is no "karma" older than the life > : span a human being. > > Depends what you mean by created and what you take > as the point of creation. we shall leave no hair unsplit. we need a good conditioner! But just for today. . . lets stick to this conversation, ok? > : -If karma is unresolved emotional charges, one can neither create > : karma for another, or for an intire nation. > > I don't think i ever said that karma can be created for another. i think you did when you said another person or thing can get you angry. i'm too lazy to find the post right now but do you] still maintain this position? If so, then it seems to me one can "create" karma for another just as one can "create" angry for another. > As to familial or national karma that depends whether you > buy into familial or national values, habits and practices and > whether their acceptance, and especially their challenge, > creates an emotional charge. > > : - peter, if emotions are the GOD of experience here, then why > : do you give your power to choose experience to another person? > > To make emotions the GOD experience looks to me quite > leap. Did I ever say something that could be interpreted in > that way? lol. . .here i go leaping again but i think you did as an emotional charge of any kind can lead one from one experiece to another. why else would creating karma for yourself or another(in your case) matter?? It limits choices and some what guides people through life. > : In other words, you allow people to create *your* karma!?? > : example: when someone "makes" you angry. The ramifications of > : this business of anybody can give you karma would mean that any > : individual effort is useless here. > > Being angry, or any other other emotion, does not create karma > unless one gets attached to it and then leaves it in an unresolved > state. anger is an unresolved state in itself! > : i don't buy it. > > It's free! unresolved emotional states are never "free". one must work to maintain them. love is. . . > -- > Namu Amida Butsu > Peter Reber > "Life knows its needs" > >