From: "Hilary Starke" Newsgroups: alt.healing.reiki Subject: On Topic: The Inner Attitude Date: Mon, 5 Jul 2004 11:19:44 +0000 (UTC) Organization: BT Openworld Lines: 24 Message-ID: NNTP-Posting-Host: host81-156-25-41.range81-156.btcentralplus.com X-Trace: hercules.btinternet.com 1089026384 13530 81.156.25.41 (5 Jul 2004 11:19:44 GMT) X-Complaints-To: news-complaints@lists.btinternet.com NNTP-Posting-Date: Mon, 5 Jul 2004 11:19:44 +0000 (UTC) X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1409 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Priority: 3 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1409 Path: nightfall.franklin.ch!pfaff2.ethz.ch!news-zh.switch.ch!irazu.switch.ch!switch.ch!tiscali!newsfeed1.ip.tiscali.net!216.196.110.149.MISMATCH!border2.nntp.ams.giganews.com!nntp.giganews.com!news.zanker.org!dedekind.zen.co.uk!zen.net.uk!demorgan.zen.co.uk!194.72.9.35.MISMATCH!news-peer1!btnet-feed5!btnet!news.btopenworld.com!not-for-mail Xref: nightfall.franklin.ch alt.healing.reiki:17430 Here is a sensible quotation from an article by Frank Arjava Petter, copyright 2004, from the Reiki News Magazine of William Lee Rand: "While you work on the client, forget everything else. Let go of your thoughts and emotions, your concepts and opinions, and give the client all you have. Touch him with the same love and tenderness you would give a newborn baby. Be with him as totally as you can: include all your senses, your perception, your mind, and your heart in the treatment. In this way, practicing your whole body/mind/soul becomes a tool in the compassionate hands of Reiki. Then the magic happens all by itself - Dr Usui is sitting on the Mount Kurama of your heart." The entire article is worthy of attention, and is entitled Reiki Ryoho The Art of Conscious Touch by Arjava Petter. For those interested, www.reiki.org is an appropriate and worthwhile link. May we discuss this? Love and hugs Hils ###### X-Trace-PostClient-IP: 68.144.1.130 Message-ID: <40E951FB.6F2B2A9E@shaw.ca> From: Rich X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.79 [en]C-CCK-MCD telus.net_v5.0.1HS (Win98; U) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 Newsgroups: alt.healing.reiki Subject: Re: On Topic: The Inner Attitude References: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Lines: 35 Date: Mon, 05 Jul 2004 13:06:53 GMT NNTP-Posting-Host: 24.71.223.147 X-Complaints-To: abuse@shaw.ca X-Trace: pd7tw1no 1089032813 24.71.223.147 (Mon, 05 Jul 2004 07:06:53 MDT) NNTP-Posting-Date: Mon, 05 Jul 2004 07:06:53 MDT Organization: Shaw Residential Internet Path: nightfall.franklin.ch!pfaff2.ethz.ch!news-zh.switch.ch!switch.ch!news.imp.ch!news.imp.ch!209.11.36.156.MISMATCH!nntp-server.pubsub.com!border1.nntp.dca.giganews.com!nntp.giganews.com!pd7cy2so!shaw.ca!pd7tw1no.POSTED!53ab2750!not-for-mail Xref: nightfall.franklin.ch alt.healing.reiki:17431 Hi Hils, Wow, a lot of postings to get through, after being away for only a few days. A quick comment here....I am not capable of 'performing' in the stated fashion and may not be for a few more years, as even my meditation efforts are still very rudimentary! As an aside in this thread, the concept of 'idealism' may be introduced, and it would stir up pertinent thoughts to the quote. Cheers Rich Hilary Starke wrote: > > Here is a sensible quotation from an article by Frank Arjava Petter, > copyright 2004, from the Reiki News Magazine of William Lee Rand: > > "While you work on the client, forget everything else. Let go of your > thoughts and emotions, your concepts and opinions, and give the client all > you have. Touch him with the same love and tenderness you would give a > newborn baby. Be with him as totally as you can: include all your senses, > your perception, your mind, and your heart in the treatment. In this way, > practicing your whole body/mind/soul becomes a tool in the compassionate > hands of Reiki. Then the magic happens all by itself - Dr Usui is sitting > on the Mount Kurama of your heart." > > The entire article is worthy of attention, and is entitled Reiki Ryoho The > Art of Conscious Touch by Arjava Petter. > > For those interested, www.reiki.org is an appropriate and worthwhile link. > > May we discuss this? > > Love and hugs > > Hils ###### From: "Hilary Starke" Newsgroups: alt.healing.reiki Subject: Re: On Topic: The Inner Attitude Date: Mon, 5 Jul 2004 14:42:51 +0000 (UTC) Organization: BT Openworld Lines: 47 Message-ID: References: <40E951FB.6F2B2A9E@shaw.ca> NNTP-Posting-Host: host81-156-25-41.range81-156.btcentralplus.com X-Trace: hercules.btinternet.com 1089038571 29462 81.156.25.41 (5 Jul 2004 14:42:51 GMT) X-Complaints-To: news-complaints@lists.btinternet.com NNTP-Posting-Date: Mon, 5 Jul 2004 14:42:51 +0000 (UTC) X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1409 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Priority: 3 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1409 X-Received-Date: Mon, 05 Jul 2004 15:43:02 BST (newsr2.u-net.net) Path: nightfall.franklin.ch!pfaff2.ethz.ch!news-zh.switch.ch!irazu.switch.ch!switch.ch!ecngs!feeder2.ecngs.de!212.23.6.68.MISMATCH!zen.net.uk!hamilton.zen.co.uk!newsr2.u-net.net!news.netkonect.net!news-peer0-test!btnet-feed5!btnet!news.btopenworld.com!not-for-mail Xref: nightfall.franklin.ch alt.healing.reiki:17433 That's okay. At least you tried. Hils "Rich" wrote in message news:40E951FB.6F2B2A9E@shaw.ca... > Hi Hils, > Wow, a lot of postings to get through, after being away for only a few > days. A quick comment here....I am not capable of 'performing' in the > stated fashion and may not be for a few more years, as even my > meditation efforts are still very rudimentary! As an aside in this > thread, the concept of 'idealism' may be introduced, and it would stir > up pertinent thoughts to the quote. > Cheers > Rich > > > Hilary Starke wrote: > > > > Here is a sensible quotation from an article by Frank Arjava Petter, > > copyright 2004, from the Reiki News Magazine of William Lee Rand: > > > > "While you work on the client, forget everything else. Let go of your > > thoughts and emotions, your concepts and opinions, and give the client all > > you have. Touch him with the same love and tenderness you would give a > > newborn baby. Be with him as totally as you can: include all your senses, > > your perception, your mind, and your heart in the treatment. In this way, > > practicing your whole body/mind/soul becomes a tool in the compassionate > > hands of Reiki. Then the magic happens all by itself - Dr Usui is sitting > > on the Mount Kurama of your heart." > > > > The entire article is worthy of attention, and is entitled Reiki Ryoho The > > Art of Conscious Touch by Arjava Petter. > > > > For those interested, www.reiki.org is an appropriate and worthwhile link. > > > > May we discuss this? > > > > Love and hugs > > > > Hils ###### From: "Phasedreality" Newsgroups: alt.healing.reiki References: Subject: Re: On Topic: The Inner Attitude Date: Mon, 5 Jul 2004 17:36:43 +0100 Lines: 18 Organization: Phasedreality X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1409 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1409 X-Complaints-To: abuse@clara.net (please include full headers) X-Trace: f20a900f6c1c2480d654c0686052007866399644d24892ab1e70e40540e98399 NNTP-Posting-Date: Mon, 05 Jul 2004 17:36:41 +0100 Message-ID: <1089045401.1472.0@ersa.uk.clara.net> Path: nightfall.franklin.ch!pfaff2.ethz.ch!news-zh.switch.ch!switch.ch!solnet.ch!solnet.ch!news2.euro.net!fr.ip.ndsoftware.net!216.196.110.149.MISMATCH!border2.nntp.ams.giganews.com!nntp.giganews.com!mephistopheles.news.clara.net!news.clara.net!ersa.uk.clara.net Xref: nightfall.franklin.ch alt.healing.reiki:17436 Hilary Starke wrote > For those interested, www.reiki.org is an appropriate and worthwhile link. Ok I'm sure this is not a new 'thread' but this page is all about selling their reiki classes. Where is the 'worthwhileness' in that? I guess it could be worthwhile if you're working for them and earning a tidy wage out of it... Yes you too can buy salvation for the low low LOW price of £9995... It's a bargain! Love & Light... Dan. ###### From: "Hilary Starke" Newsgroups: alt.healing.reiki Subject: Re: On Topic: The Inner Attitude Date: Mon, 5 Jul 2004 16:44:19 +0000 (UTC) Organization: BT Openworld Lines: 41 Message-ID: References: <1089045401.1472.0@ersa.uk.clara.net> NNTP-Posting-Host: host81-156-25-41.range81-156.btcentralplus.com X-Trace: hercules.btinternet.com 1089045859 13871 81.156.25.41 (5 Jul 2004 16:44:19 GMT) X-Complaints-To: news-complaints@lists.btinternet.com NNTP-Posting-Date: Mon, 5 Jul 2004 16:44:19 +0000 (UTC) X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1409 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Priority: 3 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1409 Path: nightfall.franklin.ch!pfaff2.ethz.ch!news-zh.switch.ch!switch.ch!solnet.ch!solnet.ch!newsfeed.freenet.de!216.196.110.149.MISMATCH!border2.nntp.ams.giganews.com!nntp.giganews.com!caladan!news.anlx.net!dedekind.zen.co.uk!zen.net.uk!demorgan.zen.co.uk!194.72.9.35.MISMATCH!news-peer1!btnet-feed5!btnet!news.btopenworld.com!not-for-mail Xref: nightfall.franklin.ch alt.healing.reiki:17437 I have no idea what you are talking about. You want to spend £9995 - feel free. If you dont want to spend the money who is asking you to? Could it be a little touch of nostalgie de la banlieu? May I ask one question? And a straight non-pass the buck answer would be nice ..... if you are putting a price on things, what are you prepared to pay? Is salvation an issue? Pardon me for being rude, but surely to goodness that was all settled a long time ago for those who choose to belive it? This is combative - fine, go ahead. Love and hugs Hils "Phasedreality" wrote in message news:1089045401.1472.0@ersa.uk.clara.net... > Hilary Starke wrote > > > For those interested, www.reiki.org is an appropriate and worthwhile link. > > Ok I'm sure this is not a new 'thread' but this page is all about selling > their reiki classes. Where is the 'worthwhileness' in that? I guess it could > be worthwhile if you're working for them and earning a tidy wage out of > it... > > Yes you too can buy salvation for the low low LOW price of £9995... > > It's a bargain! > > Love & Light... > > Dan. > > ###### From: "Hilary Starke" Newsgroups: alt.healing.reiki Subject: Re: On Topic: The Inner Attitude Date: Mon, 5 Jul 2004 17:21:55 +0000 (UTC) Organization: BT Openworld Lines: 29 Message-ID: References: <40E951FB.6F2B2A9E@shaw.ca> <40e98e7d.1583121@news.Individual.NET> NNTP-Posting-Host: host81-156-25-41.range81-156.btcentralplus.com X-Trace: sparta.btinternet.com 1089048115 11754 81.156.25.41 (5 Jul 2004 17:21:55 GMT) X-Complaints-To: news-complaints@lists.btinternet.com NNTP-Posting-Date: Mon, 5 Jul 2004 17:21:55 +0000 (UTC) X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1409 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Priority: 3 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1409 Path: nightfall.franklin.ch!pfaff2.ethz.ch!news-zh.switch.ch!switch.ch!solnet.ch!solnet.ch!news2.euro.net!216.196.110.149.MISMATCH!border2.nntp.ams.giganews.com!nntp.giganews.com!news-out2.kabelfoon.nl!83.128.0.10.MISMATCH!newsfeed.kabelfoon.nl!zen.net.uk!demorgan.zen.co.uk!194.72.9.35.MISMATCH!news-peer1!btnet-feed5!btnet!news.btopenworld.com!not-for-mail Xref: nightfall.franklin.ch alt.healing.reiki:17443 Great catch Garry - if you will pardon the familiarity! And you, like me, didn't even have a holiday as such ...... remarkable! Thanks hon Love and hugs Hils "Garry Williams" wrote in message news:40e98e7d.1583121@news.Individual.NET... > On Mon, 05 Jul 2004 13:06:53 GMT, Rich wrote: > > >Hi Hils, > >Wow, a lot of postings to get through, after being away for only a few > >days. A quick comment here....I am not capable of 'performing' in the > >stated fashion and may not be for a few more years, as even my > >meditation efforts are still very rudimentary! As an aside in this > >thread, the concept of 'idealism' may be introduced, and it would stir > >up pertinent thoughts to the quote. > > Hmmmm. Rich, why limit yourself with that word, "can't"? EYE think you > CAN! > > Love and Light, > > Garry > ###### From: gdwill@earthlink.net (Garry Williams) Newsgroups: alt.healing.reiki Subject: Re: On Topic: The Inner Attitude Date: Mon, 05 Jul 2004 17:24:09 GMT Lines: 17 Message-ID: <40e98e7d.1583121@news.Individual.NET> References: <40E951FB.6F2B2A9E@shaw.ca> Reply-To: gdwill@earthlink.net X-Trace: news.uni-berlin.de g6lY9M33D8+YIUdze7MJ7gcZLf2GyiEwnTtqZcjwjduHKqvM5M X-Newsreader: Forte Free Agent 1.11/32.235 Path: nightfall.franklin.ch!pfaff2.ethz.ch!news-zh.switch.ch!switch.ch!solnet.ch!solnet.ch!fu-berlin.de!uni-berlin.de!not-for-mail Xref: nightfall.franklin.ch alt.healing.reiki:17441 On Mon, 05 Jul 2004 13:06:53 GMT, Rich wrote: >Hi Hils, >Wow, a lot of postings to get through, after being away for only a few >days. A quick comment here....I am not capable of 'performing' in the >stated fashion and may not be for a few more years, as even my >meditation efforts are still very rudimentary! As an aside in this >thread, the concept of 'idealism' may be introduced, and it would stir >up pertinent thoughts to the quote. Hmmmm. Rich, why limit yourself with that word, "can't"? EYE think you CAN! Love and Light, Garry ###### X-Trace-PostClient-IP: 68.144.1.130 Message-ID: <40E99428.D2C1159C@shaw.ca> From: Rich X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.79 [en]C-CCK-MCD telus.net_v5.0.1HS (Win98; U) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 Newsgroups: alt.healing.reiki Subject: Re: On Topic: The Inner Attitude References: <40E951FB.6F2B2A9E@shaw.ca> <40e98e7d.1583121@news.Individual.NET> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Lines: 28 Date: Mon, 05 Jul 2004 17:49:15 GMT NNTP-Posting-Host: 24.71.223.147 X-Complaints-To: abuse@shaw.ca X-Trace: pd7tw3no 1089049755 24.71.223.147 (Mon, 05 Jul 2004 11:49:15 MDT) NNTP-Posting-Date: Mon, 05 Jul 2004 11:49:15 MDT Organization: Shaw Residential Internet Path: nightfall.franklin.ch!pfaff2.ethz.ch!news-zh.switch.ch!switch.ch!solnet.ch!solnet.ch!newspeer1.nwr.nac.net!newspeer.monmouth.com!border1.nntp.dca.giganews.com!nntp.giganews.com!pd7cy2so!pd7cy1no!shaw.ca!pd7tw3no.POSTED!53ab2750!not-for-mail Xref: nightfall.franklin.ch alt.healing.reiki:17444 Okay, gosh darn it! Let me re-phrase...there is a discipline required in getting to that phase and I am not committed to the journey. I never said it wasn't a possibility. I also cannot play piano at Carnegie Hall, because I have no intention of applying myself at that level. And I have no special talent that I have discovered that would make my performance so unique that I could by-pass the usual standards. I've tried playing one-handed while holding a beer, and then I run out of ideas! cheers Rich Garry Williams wrote: > > On Mon, 05 Jul 2004 13:06:53 GMT, Rich wrote: > > >Hi Hils, > >Wow, a lot of postings to get through, after being away for only a few > >days. A quick comment here....I am not capable of 'performing' in the > >stated fashion and may not be for a few more years, as even my > >meditation efforts are still very rudimentary! As an aside in this > >thread, the concept of 'idealism' may be introduced, and it would stir > >up pertinent thoughts to the quote. > > Hmmmm. Rich, why limit yourself with that word, "can't"? EYE think you > CAN! > > Love and Light, > > Garry ###### X-Trace-PostClient-IP: 68.144.1.130 Message-ID: <40E997C7.820EDAA9@shaw.ca> From: Rich X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.79 [en]C-CCK-MCD telus.net_v5.0.1HS (Win98; U) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 Newsgroups: alt.healing.reiki Subject: Re: On Topic: The Inner Attitude References: <40E951FB.6F2B2A9E@shaw.ca> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Lines: 35 Date: Mon, 05 Jul 2004 18:04:43 GMT NNTP-Posting-Host: 24.71.223.147 X-Complaints-To: abuse@shaw.ca X-Trace: pd7tw2no 1089050683 24.71.223.147 (Mon, 05 Jul 2004 12:04:43 MDT) NNTP-Posting-Date: Mon, 05 Jul 2004 12:04:43 MDT Organization: Shaw Residential Internet Path: nightfall.franklin.ch!pfaff2.ethz.ch!news-zh.switch.ch!switch.ch!news.imp.ch!news.imp.ch!209.11.36.156.MISMATCH!nntp-server.pubsub.com!border1.nntp.dca.giganews.com!nntp.giganews.com!pd7cy2so!shaw.ca!pd7tw2no.POSTED!53ab2750!not-for-mail Xref: nightfall.franklin.ch alt.healing.reiki:17448 Hi David, Thanks for the quote, and as another well worn saying goes, "Columbus got kicked in the ass for telling that one to the Indians!" If you really believe in that quote, then get ready....I am on my way to your place to take out your appendix... I really think I can do it, no kidding! Are you game? Rich David wrote: > > "Rich" wrote in message > news:40E951FB.6F2B2A9E@shaw.ca... > > Hi Hils, > > Wow, a lot of postings to get through, after being away for only a few > > days. A quick comment here....I am not capable of 'performing' in the > > stated fashion and may not be for a few more years, as even my > > meditation efforts are still very rudimentary! As an aside in this > > thread, the concept of 'idealism' may be introduced, and it would stir > > up pertinent thoughts to the quote. > > Cheers > > Rich > > Rich, > > Here's a well worn saying for you that is pure wisdom and absolutely > right: > > "Whether you think you can, or whether you think you can't, you're > probably right!" > > Love and light > > David ###### From: "David" Newsgroups: alt.healing.reiki References: <40E951FB.6F2B2A9E@shaw.ca> Subject: Re: On Topic: The Inner Attitude Lines: 28 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1409 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1409 Message-ID: Date: Mon, 05 Jul 2004 18:54:01 GMT NNTP-Posting-Host: 82.2.133.235 X-Complaints-To: abuse@virgin.net X-Trace: newsfe2-win.ntli.net 1089053641 82.2.133.235 (Mon, 05 Jul 2004 18:54:01 GMT) NNTP-Posting-Date: Mon, 05 Jul 2004 18:54:01 GMT Organization: Virgin Net Usenet Service Path: nightfall.franklin.ch!pfaff2.ethz.ch!news-zh.switch.ch!irazu.switch.ch!switch.ch!newsfeed00.sul.t-online.de!t-online.de!newsfeed.freenet.de!216.196.110.149.MISMATCH!border2.nntp.ams.giganews.com!nntp.giganews.com!news-out.ntli.net!newsrout1.ntli.net!news-in.ntli.net!ntli.net!newspeer1-win.ntli.net!newsfe2-win.ntli.net.POSTED!53ab2750!not-for-mail Xref: nightfall.franklin.ch alt.healing.reiki:17445 "Rich" wrote in message news:40E951FB.6F2B2A9E@shaw.ca... > Hi Hils, > Wow, a lot of postings to get through, after being away for only a few > days. A quick comment here....I am not capable of 'performing' in the > stated fashion and may not be for a few more years, as even my > meditation efforts are still very rudimentary! As an aside in this > thread, the concept of 'idealism' may be introduced, and it would stir > up pertinent thoughts to the quote. > Cheers > Rich Rich, Here's a well worn saying for you that is pure wisdom and absolutely right: "Whether you think you can, or whether you think you can't, you're probably right!" Love and light David ###### From: "Steven Buck, CMT" Newsgroups: alt.healing.reiki Subject: Re: On Topic: The Inner Attitude Organization: http://www.ascesis.net Reply-To: steven@ascesis.net Message-ID: References: X-Newsreader: Forte Agent 2.0/32.652 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Lines: 35 NNTP-Posting-Host: 67.116.151.230 X-Complaints-To: abuse@prodigy.net X-Trace: newssvr25.news.prodigy.com 1089056339 ST000 67.116.151.230 (Mon, 05 Jul 2004 15:38:59 EDT) NNTP-Posting-Date: Mon, 05 Jul 2004 15:38:59 EDT X-UserInfo1: O@YUS_SEFJTUCFD[LZKJOPHAWB\^PBQLGPQRZQMIWIWTEPIB_NVUAH_[BL[\IRKIANGGJBFNJF_DOLSCENSY^U@FRFUEXR@KFXYDBPWBCDQJA@X_DCBHXR[C@\EOKCJLED_SZ@RMWYXYWE_P@\\GOIW^@SYFFSWHFIXMADO@^[ADPRPETLBJ]RDGENSKQQZN Date: Mon, 05 Jul 2004 19:38:59 GMT Path: nightfall.franklin.ch!pfaff2.ethz.ch!news-zh.switch.ch!irazu.switch.ch!switch.ch!news.tele.dk!news.tele.dk!small.news.tele.dk!newsfeed.icl.net!newshosting.com!nx02.iad01.newshosting.com!news-feed01.roc.ny.frontiernet.net!nntp.frontiernet.net!prodigy.com!newsmst01a.news.prodigy.com!prodigy.com!postmaster.news.prodigy.com!newssvr25.news.prodigy.com.POSTED!e700f050!not-for-mail Xref: nightfall.franklin.ch alt.healing.reiki:17452 I have not read the article yet, but your excerpt is a wonderful way to describe the "core" of any meditation less the color of culture and religious beliefs. On Mon, 5 Jul 2004 11:19:44 +0000 (UTC), "Hilary Starke" wrote: >Here is a sensible quotation from an article by Frank Arjava Petter, >copyright 2004, from the Reiki News Magazine of William Lee Rand: > >"While you work on the client, forget everything else. Let go of your >thoughts and emotions, your concepts and opinions, and give the client all >you have. Touch him with the same love and tenderness you would give a >newborn baby. Be with him as totally as you can: include all your senses, >your perception, your mind, and your heart in the treatment. In this way, >practicing your whole body/mind/soul becomes a tool in the compassionate >hands of Reiki. Then the magic happens all by itself - Dr Usui is sitting >on the Mount Kurama of your heart." > >The entire article is worthy of attention, and is entitled Reiki Ryoho The >Art of Conscious Touch by Arjava Petter. > >For those interested, www.reiki.org is an appropriate and worthwhile link. > >May we discuss this? > >Love and hugs > >Hils > Steven Buck, CMT San Francisco, CA ###### From: "David" Newsgroups: alt.healing.reiki References: <40E951FB.6F2B2A9E@shaw.ca> <40E997C7.820EDAA9@shaw.ca> Subject: Re: On Topic: The Inner Attitude Lines: 28 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1409 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1409 Message-ID: Date: Mon, 05 Jul 2004 21:37:53 GMT NNTP-Posting-Host: 82.2.133.235 X-Complaints-To: abuse@virgin.net X-Trace: newsfe5-win.ntli.net 1089063473 82.2.133.235 (Mon, 05 Jul 2004 21:37:53 US/GMT) NNTP-Posting-Date: Mon, 05 Jul 2004 21:37:53 US/GMT Organization: Virgin Net Usenet Service Path: nightfall.franklin.ch!pfaff2.ethz.ch!news-zh.switch.ch!switch.ch!solnet.ch!solnet.ch!newsfeed.freenet.de!216.196.110.149.MISMATCH!border2.nntp.ams.giganews.com!nntp.giganews.com!news-out.ntli.net!newsrout1.ntli.net!news-in.ntli.net!ntli.net!newspeer1-win.ntli.net!newsfe5-win.ntli.net.POSTED!53ab2750!not-for-mail Xref: nightfall.franklin.ch alt.healing.reiki:17457 "Rich" wrote in message news:40E997C7.820EDAA9@shaw.ca... > Hi David, > Thanks for the quote, and as another well worn saying goes, "Columbus > got > kicked in the ass for telling that one to the Indians!" If you > really believe > in that quote, then get ready....I am on my way to your place to take > out your appendix... > I really think I can do it, no kidding! Are you game? > Rich > You're damn right I am! I'll even draw you a map where to find it, if it's still in the same jar it was in last time I saw it. I warn you, though, it wasn't much of a conversationalist then - grumbling all the time; in fact it was a right pain to be honest, but hey! who am I to say what you're looking for in a date?!! :o) David ###### X-Trace-PostClient-IP: 68.144.1.130 Message-ID: <40E9DE43.D6F79663@shaw.ca> From: Rich X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.79 [en]C-CCK-MCD telus.net_v5.0.1HS (Win98; U) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 Newsgroups: alt.healing.reiki Subject: Re: On Topic: The Inner Attitude References: <40E951FB.6F2B2A9E@shaw.ca> <40E997C7.820EDAA9@shaw.ca> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Lines: 29 Date: Mon, 05 Jul 2004 23:05:27 GMT NNTP-Posting-Host: 24.71.223.147 X-Complaints-To: abuse@shaw.ca X-Trace: pd7tw2no 1089068727 24.71.223.147 (Mon, 05 Jul 2004 17:05:27 MDT) NNTP-Posting-Date: Mon, 05 Jul 2004 17:05:27 MDT Organization: Shaw Residential Internet Path: nightfall.franklin.ch!pfaff2.ethz.ch!news-zh.switch.ch!switch.ch!solnet.ch!solnet.ch!news.glorb.com!border1.nntp.dca.giganews.com!nntp.giganews.com!pd7cy2so!shaw.ca!pd7tw2no.POSTED!53ab2750!not-for-mail Xref: nightfall.franklin.ch alt.healing.reiki:17459 You keep it in a jar? Is that in case some day in the near future they may find a cure for them things and can replant them? Rich David wrote: > > "Rich" wrote in message > news:40E997C7.820EDAA9@shaw.ca... > > Hi David, > > Thanks for the quote, and as another well worn saying goes, "Columbus > > got > > kicked in the ass for telling that one to the Indians!" If you > > really believe > > in that quote, then get ready....I am on my way to your place to take > > out your appendix... > > I really think I can do it, no kidding! Are you game? > > Rich > > > > You're damn right I am! I'll even draw you a map where to find it, if > it's > still in the same jar it was in last time I saw it. I warn you, though, it > wasn't much of a conversationalist then - grumbling all the time; in fact > it > was a right pain to be honest, but hey! who am I to say what you're > looking > for in a date?!! > :o) > David ###### From: gdwill@earthlink.net (Garry Williams) Newsgroups: alt.healing.reiki Subject: Re: On Topic: The Inner Attitude Date: Mon, 05 Jul 2004 23:23:29 GMT Lines: 24 Message-ID: <40e9e10e.1475163@news.Individual.NET> References: <40E951FB.6F2B2A9E@shaw.ca> <40e98e7d.1583121@news.Individual.NET> <40E99428.D2C1159C@shaw.ca> Reply-To: gdwill@earthlink.net X-Trace: news.uni-berlin.de 6imDi2FfHbz9ObGcVavzjAd7WWT+zrsU+V7bVX8huYPtt0aDtj X-Newsreader: Forte Free Agent 1.11/32.235 Path: nightfall.franklin.ch!pfaff2.ethz.ch!news-zh.switch.ch!switch.ch!takemy.news.telefonica.de!telefonica.de!fu-berlin.de!uni-berlin.de!not-for-mail Xref: nightfall.franklin.ch alt.healing.reiki:17460 On Mon, 05 Jul 2004 17:49:15 GMT, Rich wrote: >Okay, gosh darn it! Let me re-phrase...there is a discipline required in >getting to that phase and I am not committed to the journey. I never >said it wasn't a possibility. I also cannot play piano at Carnegie Hall, >because I have no intention of applying myself at that level. And I have >no special talent that I have discovered that would make my performance >so unique that I could by-pass the usual standards. I've tried playing >one-handed while holding a beer, and then I run out of ideas! LOL Trust me, Rich. Being present while doing Reiki is a whole lot easier than playing at Carnegie Hall. It only seems hard because you think it is. Stop thinking and worrying about it and it will come to you naturally. It's not a matter of learning to do something you didn't know. It's already in you, and always has been. You just think it isn't because you keep telling yourself it's not there. Just listen to your hands. That's all! Don't talk to them; just be a good listener! Too bad playing piano isn't that easy. Or maybe it is, for all I know? Just listen to your hands! ;-) Love and Light, Garry ###### From: "ShadowWolf" Newsgroups: alt.healing.reiki References: <40E951FB.6F2B2A9E@shaw.ca> <40e98e7d.1583121@news.Individual.NET> <40E99428.D2C1159C@shaw.ca> Subject: Re: On Topic: The Inner Attitude Lines: 57 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1409 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1409 Message-ID: Date: Tue, 06 Jul 2004 00:07:17 GMT NNTP-Posting-Host: 65.33.138.58 X-Complaints-To: abuse@rr.com X-Trace: twister.tampabay.rr.com 1089072437 65.33.138.58 (Mon, 05 Jul 2004 20:07:17 EDT) NNTP-Posting-Date: Mon, 05 Jul 2004 20:07:17 EDT Organization: RoadRunner - Central Florida Path: nightfall.franklin.ch!pfaff2.ethz.ch!news-zh.switch.ch!switch.ch!news.ip-plus.net!newsfeed.ip-plus.net!news.tesion.net!news.belwue.de!newsfeed01.sul.t-online.de!newsfeed00.sul.t-online.de!t-online.de!border2.nntp.dca.giganews.com!border1.nntp.dca.giganews.com!nntp.giganews.com!atl-c02.usenetserver.com!c03.atl99!c01.usenetserver.com!news.usenetserver.com!elnk-atl-nf1!newsfeed.earthlink.net!cyclone.tampabay.rr.com!news-post.tampabay.rr.com!twister.tampabay.rr.com.POSTED!53ab2750!not-for-mail Xref: nightfall.franklin.ch alt.healing.reiki:17465 Rich, There is absolutely no discipline required to perform Reiki on others other than to be sharing from a place of compassion/caring/love etc which ever adjective fits you personally. If one chooses to use a special meditation before/during a session it doesn't mean they are doing it better than you. One can close their eyes and think whatever they want to think. they can open their eyes and watch TV while doing Reiki and it still works effectively, they can talk with the client or be silent. They do not have to use Buddest/Japanese/Jewish/Romanian terms etc. Those other things can be used if one wishes to and for those who do use them I am sure it feels right to them but the energy doesn't care. Just be yourself, just care enough to reach out to others. -- ShadowWolf http://www.mysticreiki.com http://www.reiki.neth/Catholic? -- ShadowWolf http://www.mysticreiki.com http://www.reiki.net "Rich" wrote in message news:40E99428.D2C1159C@shaw.ca... > Okay, gosh darn it! Let me re-phrase...there is a discipline required in > getting to that phase and I am not committed to the journey. I never > said it wasn't a possibility. I also cannot play piano at Carnegie Hall, > because I have no intention of applying myself at that level. And I have > no special talent that I have discovered that would make my performance > so unique that I could by-pass the usual standards. I've tried playing > one-handed while holding a beer, and then I run out of ideas! > cheers > Rich > > Garry Williams wrote: > > > > On Mon, 05 Jul 2004 13:06:53 GMT, Rich wrote: > > > > >Hi Hils, > > >Wow, a lot of postings to get through, after being away for only a few > > >days. A quick comment here....I am not capable of 'performing' in the > > >stated fashion and may not be for a few more years, as even my > > >meditation efforts are still very rudimentary! As an aside in this > > >thread, the concept of 'idealism' may be introduced, and it would stir > > >up pertinent thoughts to the quote. > > > > Hmmmm. Rich, why limit yourself with that word, "can't"? EYE think you > > CAN! > > > > Love and Light, > > > > Garry > ###### X-Trace-PostClient-IP: 68.144.1.130 Message-ID: <40E9F7B0.F051BCAF@shaw.ca> From: Rich X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.79 [en]C-CCK-MCD telus.net_v5.0.1HS (Win98; U) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 Newsgroups: alt.healing.reiki Subject: Re: On Topic: The Inner Attitude References: <40E951FB.6F2B2A9E@shaw.ca> <40e98e7d.1583121@news.Individual.NET> <40E99428.D2C1159C@shaw.ca> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Lines: 68 Date: Tue, 06 Jul 2004 00:53:56 GMT NNTP-Posting-Host: 24.71.223.147 X-Complaints-To: abuse@shaw.ca X-Trace: pd7tw3no 1089075236 24.71.223.147 (Mon, 05 Jul 2004 18:53:56 MDT) NNTP-Posting-Date: Mon, 05 Jul 2004 18:53:56 MDT Organization: Shaw Residential Internet Path: nightfall.franklin.ch!pfaff2.ethz.ch!news-zh.switch.ch!irazu.switch.ch!switch.ch!news.tele.dk!news.tele.dk!small.news.tele.dk!feed.cgocable.net!pd7cy1no!shaw.ca!pd7tw3no.POSTED!53ab2750!not-for-mail Xref: nightfall.franklin.ch alt.healing.reiki:17466 Boy, has this conversation taken off on a tangent! Let me try to clarify once more, and thanks, Shadow. The phrase that I was unclearly referring to is....."While you work on the client, forget everything else. Let go of your thoughts and emotions, your concepts and opinions, and give the client all you have." Sounds great to someone who either is a greatly advanced meditator or someone who is denying that he always has thoughts, opinions, concepts, emotions, etc. while doing Reiki. I deny nothing. They are all there for me. Just me? I doubt it. Cheers Rich ShadowWolf wrote: > > Rich, > > There is absolutely no discipline required to perform Reiki on others other > than to be sharing from a place of compassion/caring/love etc which ever > adjective fits you personally. > > If one chooses to use a special meditation before/during a session it > doesn't mean they are doing it better than you. > One can close their eyes and think whatever they want to think. they can > open their eyes and watch TV while doing Reiki and it still works > effectively, they can talk with the client or be silent. > They do not have to use Buddest/Japanese/Jewish/Romanian terms etc. > > Those other things can be used if one wishes to and for those who do use > them I am sure it feels right to them but the energy doesn't care. > > Just be yourself, just care enough to reach out to others. > -- > ShadowWolf > http://www.mysticreiki.com > http://www.reiki.neth/Catholic? > -- > ShadowWolf > http://www.mysticreiki.com > http://www.reiki.net > "Rich" wrote in message news:40E99428.D2C1159C@shaw.ca... > > Okay, gosh darn it! Let me re-phrase...there is a discipline required in > > getting to that phase and I am not committed to the journey. I never > > said it wasn't a possibility. I also cannot play piano at Carnegie Hall, > > because I have no intention of applying myself at that level. And I have > > no special talent that I have discovered that would make my performance > > so unique that I could by-pass the usual standards. I've tried playing > > one-handed while holding a beer, and then I run out of ideas! > > cheers > > Rich > > > > Garry Williams wrote: > > > > > > On Mon, 05 Jul 2004 13:06:53 GMT, Rich wrote: > > > > > > >Hi Hils, > > > >Wow, a lot of postings to get through, after being away for only a few > > > >days. A quick comment here....I am not capable of 'performing' in the > > > >stated fashion and may not be for a few more years, as even my > > > >meditation efforts are still very rudimentary! As an aside in this > > > >thread, the concept of 'idealism' may be introduced, and it would stir > > > >up pertinent thoughts to the quote. > > > > > > Hmmmm. Rich, why limit yourself with that word, "can't"? EYE think you > > > CAN! > > > > > > Love and Light, > > > > > > Garry > > ###### From: "gingerobyn" Newsgroups: alt.healing.reiki References: Subject: Re: On Topic: The Inner Attitude Lines: 77 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1409 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1409 Message-ID: Date: Tue, 06 Jul 2004 04:13:59 GMT NNTP-Posting-Host: 162.84.179.57 X-Complaints-To: abuse@verizon.net X-Trace: nwrdny02.gnilink.net 1089087239 162.84.179.57 (Tue, 06 Jul 2004 00:13:59 EDT) NNTP-Posting-Date: Tue, 06 Jul 2004 00:13:59 EDT Path: nightfall.franklin.ch!pfaff2.ethz.ch!news-zh.switch.ch!switch.ch!solnet.ch!solnet.ch!newsfeed.freenet.de!newsfeed00.sul.t-online.de!t-online.de!border2.nntp.dca.giganews.com!nntp.giganews.com!cyclone1.gnilink.net!spamkiller2.gnilink.net!gnilink.net!nwrdny02.gnilink.net.POSTED!f3340854!not-for-mail Xref: nightfall.franklin.ch alt.healing.reiki:17468 hilary thanks for thoughts to consider, there has already been talk in this thread of whether this approach does or does not require discipline. i think it does if you have trouble quieting your mind (the "being with as totally as you can part") cause sometimes i drift off into thoughts of what i might eat for dinner or whether or not i have done my paperwork. a friend and mentor told me not to be too concerned if that happens because if i am still giving reiki at the time at least my ego has gotten out of the way of trying to direct any outcome for the session (something to that effect). it could be true or it could be the cop out that keeps me from feeling like a lousy "reiki practitioner". sometimes i am thinking "boy my back hurts i have to find a better position to stand in." or "damn this concrete floor." sometimes i think "hmm, i can see up his nose." none of these mundane thoughts are like what petter has described. sometimes when i realize it i worry and think "oh i hope he/she doesn't know or feel slighted by the fact that i was just thinking about my laundry" and then when it's over the person will say it was wonderful or that they were so relaxed, had vivid imagery, relief from pain or whatever. then i think "phew, i pulled it off again!" but i do notice that with increasing practice with people i do get better at being more with the person and maintianing a loving and directed approach. i see it as a personal challenge to withdraw from thoughts of myself, to offer something meaningful to another person and to remember to have gratitude for the opportunity. selfishly perhaps i try to do it because i feel that this is going to help my spiritual and personal growth more than standing there with heavy arms thinking "i hope this is over soon." i do feel a positive difference at such times and really do feel uplifted after the session where i try to do this. -gin ger "Hilary Starke" wrote in message news:ccbdgg$d6q$1@hercules.btinternet.com... > Here is a sensible quotation from an article by Frank Arjava Petter, > copyright 2004, from the Reiki News Magazine of William Lee Rand: > > "While you work on the client, forget everything else. Let go of your > thoughts and emotions, your concepts and opinions, and give the client all > you have. Touch him with the same love and tenderness you would give a > newborn baby. Be with him as totally as you can: include all your senses, > your perception, your mind, and your heart in the treatment. In this way, > practicing your whole body/mind/soul becomes a tool in the compassionate > hands of Reiki. Then the magic happens all by itself - Dr Usui is sitting > on the Mount Kurama of your heart." > > The entire article is worthy of attention, and is entitled Reiki Ryoho The > Art of Conscious Touch by Arjava Petter. > > For those interested, www.reiki.org is an appropriate and worthwhile link. > > May we discuss this? > > Love and hugs > > Hils > > ###### From: "Hilary Starke" Newsgroups: alt.healing.reiki Subject: Re: On Topic: The Inner Attitude Date: Tue, 6 Jul 2004 05:37:47 +0000 (UTC) Organization: BT Openworld Lines: 110 Message-ID: References: NNTP-Posting-Host: host81-156-25-41.range81-156.btcentralplus.com X-Trace: hercules.btinternet.com 1089092267 1416 81.156.25.41 (6 Jul 2004 05:37:47 GMT) X-Complaints-To: news-complaints@lists.btinternet.com NNTP-Posting-Date: Tue, 6 Jul 2004 05:37:47 +0000 (UTC) X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1409 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Priority: 3 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1409 Path: nightfall.franklin.ch!pfaff2.ethz.ch!news-zh.switch.ch!irazu.switch.ch!switch.ch!tiscali!newsfeed1.ip.tiscali.net!216.196.110.149.MISMATCH!border2.nntp.ams.giganews.com!nntp.giganews.com!news.zanker.org!dedekind.zen.co.uk!zen.net.uk!demorgan.zen.co.uk!194.72.9.35.MISMATCH!news-peer1!btnet-feed5!btnet!news.btopenworld.com!not-for-mail Xref: nightfall.franklin.ch alt.healing.reiki:17469 Dear Ginger I think this is a great response - we do what we can do at the time we are doing it. I think the personal motivation, as you describe it, is fine. I love seeing a reiki treatment as an opportunity - for both practitioner and recipient. Thanks for this very much - that word "opportunity" is a good one. Love and hugs Hils "gingerobyn" wrote in message news:bGpGc.495$Xb4.252@nwrdny02.gnilink.net... > hilary thanks for thoughts to consider, > > there has already been talk in this thread of whether this approach does or > does > not require discipline. i think it does if you have trouble quieting your > mind (the > "being with as totally as you can part") cause sometimes i drift off into > thoughts of > what i might eat for dinner or whether or not i have done my paperwork. a > friend > and mentor told me not to be too concerned if that happens because if i am > still > giving reiki at the time at least my ego has gotten out of the way of trying > to direct > any outcome for the session (something to that effect). it could be true or > it could > be the cop out that keeps me from feeling like a lousy "reiki practitioner". > sometimes i am thinking "boy my back hurts i have to find a better position > to > stand in." or "damn this concrete floor." sometimes i think "hmm, i can see > up his > nose." none of these mundane thoughts are like what petter has described. > sometimes when i realize it i worry and think "oh i hope he/she doesn't know > or > feel slighted by the fact that i was just thinking about my laundry" and > then when > it's over the person will say it was wonderful or that they were so relaxed, > had > vivid imagery, relief from pain or whatever. then i think "phew, i pulled it > off > again!" > > but i do notice that with increasing practice with people i do get better at > being > more with the person and maintianing a loving and directed approach. i see > it as a > personal challenge to withdraw from thoughts of myself, to offer something > meaningful to another person and to remember to have gratitude for the > opportunity. selfishly perhaps i try to do it because i feel that this is > going to help > my spiritual and personal growth more than standing there with heavy arms > thinking "i hope this is over soon." i do feel a positive difference at > such times > and really do feel uplifted after the session where i try to do this. > > -g in > ger > > > "Hilary Starke" wrote in message > news:ccbdgg$d6q$1@hercules.btinternet.com... > > Here is a sensible quotation from an article by Frank Arjava Petter, > > copyright 2004, from the Reiki News Magazine of William Lee Rand: > > > > "While you work on the client, forget everything else. Let go of your > > thoughts and emotions, your concepts and opinions, and give the client all > > you have. Touch him with the same love and tenderness you would give a > > newborn baby. Be with him as totally as you can: include all your senses, > > your perception, your mind, and your heart in the treatment. In this way, > > practicing your whole body/mind/soul becomes a tool in the compassionate > > hands of Reiki. Then the magic happens all by itself - Dr Usui is sitting > > on the Mount Kurama of your heart." > > > > The entire article is worthy of attention, and is entitled Reiki Ryoho The > > Art of Conscious Touch by Arjava Petter. > > > > For those interested, www.reiki.org is an appropriate and worthwhile link. > > > > May we discuss this? > > > > Love and hugs > > > > Hils > > > > > > ###### From: "Hilary Starke" Newsgroups: alt.healing.reiki Subject: Re: On Topic: The Inner Attitude Date: Tue, 6 Jul 2004 05:55:01 +0000 (UTC) Organization: BT Openworld Lines: 75 Message-ID: References: <40E951FB.6F2B2A9E@shaw.ca> NNTP-Posting-Host: host81-156-25-41.range81-156.btcentralplus.com X-Trace: sparta.btinternet.com 1089093301 25913 81.156.25.41 (6 Jul 2004 05:55:01 GMT) X-Complaints-To: news-complaints@lists.btinternet.com NNTP-Posting-Date: Tue, 6 Jul 2004 05:55:01 +0000 (UTC) X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1409 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Priority: 3 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1409 Path: nightfall.franklin.ch!pfaff2.ethz.ch!news-zh.switch.ch!irazu.switch.ch!switch.ch!ecngs!feeder2.ecngs.de!216.196.110.149.MISMATCH!border2.nntp.ams.giganews.com!nntp.giganews.com!dedekind.zen.co.uk!zen.net.uk!demorgan.zen.co.uk!194.72.9.35.MISMATCH!news-peer1!btnet-feed5!btnet!news.btopenworld.com!not-for-mail Xref: nightfall.franklin.ch alt.healing.reiki:17470 Dear Rich I think the meditation point is an interesting one. And I put this quotation "on the board", because as I read the whole article it seemed to me to clarify the approach that I adapt/adopt myself. It seems to me to represent an "ideal" approach - for me, not necessarily for anyone else. Your mention of idealism is spot on - I have been thinking since I read your post about this, and am reminded of the Hippocratic Oath that doctors take .... isn't one line of it "First, do no harm"? I worked in a veterinary practice on the lay staff, and attended a management course once where I was told that the highest rate of suicides in the UK are in newly-qualified veterinary surgeons. How verifiable this is I do not personally know. I was talking to the senior partner of the practice after the course, and offered this little nugget of statistics, and he said "Hmmm I wonder why. Oh well, I suppose you 'kill' a lot of animals in the first year and that tends to shake you up a bit". And it would seem that this does happen. It is all a learning experience, one way or another. A young veterinary surgeon at the same practice told me that she had also heard this statistic, along with the fact that she was taught at university while training that, as a general rule of thumb, 70% of "ailments" will correct themselves in three months without any intervention at all. I learn a lot of stuff from this group and always enjoy reading the postings. Thanks for some great thoughts to all. Love and hugs Hils "Rich" wrote in message news:40E951FB.6F2B2A9E@shaw.ca... > Hi Hils, > Wow, a lot of postings to get through, after being away for only a few > days. A quick comment here....I am not capable of 'performing' in the > stated fashion and may not be for a few more years, as even my > meditation efforts are still very rudimentary! As an aside in this > thread, the concept of 'idealism' may be introduced, and it would stir > up pertinent thoughts to the quote. > Cheers > Rich > > > Hilary Starke wrote: > > > > Here is a sensible quotation from an article by Frank Arjava Petter, > > copyright 2004, from the Reiki News Magazine of William Lee Rand: > > > > "While you work on the client, forget everything else. Let go of your > > thoughts and emotions, your concepts and opinions, and give the client all > > you have. Touch him with the same love and tenderness you would give a > > newborn baby. Be with him as totally as you can: include all your senses, > > your perception, your mind, and your heart in the treatment. In this way, > > practicing your whole body/mind/soul becomes a tool in the compassionate > > hands of Reiki. Then the magic happens all by itself - Dr Usui is sitting > > on the Mount Kurama of your heart." > > > > The entire article is worthy of attention, and is entitled Reiki Ryoho The > > Art of Conscious Touch by Arjava Petter. > > > > For those interested, www.reiki.org is an appropriate and worthwhile link. > > > > May we discuss this? > > > > Love and hugs > > > > Hils ###### From: Theo Newsgroups: alt.healing.reiki Subject: Re: On Topic: The Inner Attitude Date: Tue, 06 Jul 2004 08:37:52 +0200 Organization: [Posted via] Inter.net Germany GmbH Lines: 41 Message-ID: References: Reply-To: byjoke@ch.inter.net Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Trace: news.eusc.inter.net 1089095911 4127 212.59.168.208 (6 Jul 2004 06:38:31 GMT) X-Complaints-To: abuse@eusc.inter.net User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows; U; Windows NT 5.1; en-US; rv:1.4) Gecko/20030624 Netscape/7.1 (ax) X-Accept-Language: en, fr, it In-Reply-To: Path: nightfall.franklin.ch!pfaff2.ethz.ch!news-zh.switch.ch!irazu.switch.ch!switch.ch!tiscali!newsfeed1.ip.tiscali.net!feed.news.tiscali.de!eusc.inter.net!news.eusc.inter.net!not-for-mail Xref: nightfall.franklin.ch alt.healing.reiki:17473 Hilary Starke wrote: > Here is a sensible quotation from an article by Frank Arjava Petter, > copyright 2004, from the Reiki News Magazine of William Lee Rand: > "While you work on the client, forget everything else. Let go of > your > thoughts and emotions, your concepts and opinions, and give the client all > you have. Touch him with the same love and tenderness you would give a > newborn baby. Be with him as totally as you can: include all your senses, > your perception, your mind, and your heart in the treatment. In this way, > practicing your whole body/mind/soul becomes a tool in the compassionate > hands of Reiki. Then the magic happens all by itself - Dr Usui is sitting > on the Mount Kurama of your heart." > The entire article is worthy of attention, and is entitled Reiki > Ryoho The > Art of Conscious Touch by Arjava Petter. > For those interested, www.reiki.org is an appropriate and worthwhile > link. > May we discuss this? it is very clear whyt it says.. it is exactly what I am telling since months.. the basic is * faith* trust yourself and trust in what you do dont think you give reiki by using a simbol or a ritual Be reiki yourself simbol and rituals are put you in the receptive mood just that *switch you on* but being Reiki is your attitude you can give Reiki any time just a silend *centering* and you are operational Theo_694@hotmail.com MSN messanger / or ICQ 25 666 169 4 L'Umiltą č la Peggiore delle Presunzioni (la Rochefoucauld) «»«»«» Just for today...be happy «»«»«» ###### From: Theo Newsgroups: alt.healing.reiki Subject: Re: On Topic: The Inner Attitude Date: Tue, 06 Jul 2004 08:44:15 +0200 Organization: [Posted via] Inter.net Germany GmbH Lines: 45 Message-ID: References: <40E951FB.6F2B2A9E@shaw.ca> <40e98e7d.1583121@news.Individual.NET> <40E99428.D2C1159C@shaw.ca> <40e9e10e.1475163@news.Individual.NET> Reply-To: byjoke@ch.inter.net Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Trace: news.eusc.inter.net 1089096294 4171 212.59.168.208 (6 Jul 2004 06:44:54 GMT) X-Complaints-To: abuse@eusc.inter.net User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows; U; Windows NT 5.1; en-US; rv:1.4) Gecko/20030624 Netscape/7.1 (ax) X-Accept-Language: en, fr, it In-Reply-To: <40e9e10e.1475163@news.Individual.NET> Path: nightfall.franklin.ch!pfaff2.ethz.ch!news-zh.switch.ch!irazu.switch.ch!switch.ch!newsfeed00.sul.t-online.de!newsfeed01.sul.t-online.de!t-online.de!eusc.inter.net!news.eusc.inter.net!not-for-mail Xref: nightfall.franklin.ch alt.healing.reiki:17474 He is too physical and materialistic and cannot separate from that way of being I guess Rich thinks *technique*makes the monk .. instead it is the assimilated inner attitude the makes the monk you are not a shaman hen you use a wand and amulets.. you can be a shaman if your are a shaman inside and no wands and no amulets Garry Williams wrote: > On Mon, 05 Jul 2004 17:49:15 GMT, Rich wrote: > >>Okay, gosh darn it! Let me re-phrase...there is a discipline required in >>getting to that phase and I am not committed to the journey. I never >>said it wasn't a possibility. I also cannot play piano at Carnegie Hall, >>because I have no intention of applying myself at that level. And I have >>no special talent that I have discovered that would make my performance >>so unique that I could by-pass the usual standards. I've tried playing >>one-handed while holding a beer, and then I run out of ideas! > LOL Trust me, Rich. Being present while doing Reiki is a whole lot > easier than playing at Carnegie Hall. It only seems hard because you > think it is. Stop thinking and worrying about it and it will come to > you naturally. It's not a matter of learning to do something you > didn't know. It's already in you, and always has been. You just think > it isn't because you keep telling yourself it's not there. Just listen > to your hands. That's all! Don't talk to them; just be a good > listener! Too bad playing piano isn't that easy. Or maybe it is, for > all I know? Just listen to your hands! ;-) > Love and Light, > Garry > -- Theo_694@hotmail.com MSN messanger / or ICQ 25 666 169 4 L'Umiltą č la Peggiore delle Presunzioni (la Rochefoucauld) «»«»«» Just for today...be happy «»«»«» ###### From: Theo Newsgroups: alt.healing.reiki Subject: Re: On Topic: The Inner Attitude Date: Tue, 06 Jul 2004 08:51:11 +0200 Organization: [Posted via] Inter.net Germany GmbH Lines: 34 Message-ID: References: <40E951FB.6F2B2A9E@shaw.ca> <40e98e7d.1583121@news.Individual.NET> <40E99428.D2C1159C@shaw.ca> <40E9F7B0.F051BCAF@shaw.ca> Reply-To: byjoke@ch.inter.net Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Trace: news.eusc.inter.net 1089096710 4235 212.59.168.208 (6 Jul 2004 06:51:50 GMT) X-Complaints-To: abuse@eusc.inter.net User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows; U; Windows NT 5.1; en-US; rv:1.4) Gecko/20030624 Netscape/7.1 (ax) X-Accept-Language: en, fr, it In-Reply-To: <40E9F7B0.F051BCAF@shaw.ca> Path: nightfall.franklin.ch!pfaff2.ethz.ch!news-zh.switch.ch!switch.ch!solnet.ch!solnet.ch!news.imp.ch!news.imp.ch!eusc.inter.net!news.eusc.inter.net!not-for-mail Xref: nightfall.franklin.ch alt.healing.reiki:17475 Rich wrote: > Boy, has this conversation taken off on a tangent! Let me try to clarify > once more, and thanks, Shadow. The phrase that I was unclearly referring > to is....."While you work on the client, forget everything else. Let go > of your thoughts and emotions, your concepts and opinions, and give the > client all you have." Sounds great to someone who either is a greatly > advanced meditator or someone who is denying that he always has > thoughts, opinions, concepts, emotions, etc. while doing Reiki. I deny > nothing. They are all there for me. Just me? I doubt it. > Cheers > Rich Hi can I suggest something ? try to get from the net some Za Zen meditation techniques in english Deishamaru's probably and do this for few weeks 10 20 minutes start 20 breatings in-ou until to make 100 fatera sometime after 3 months you'll see the effects sometimes it takes longer or quicker bt you will see them and that will be the real starting point " you always need to start with the first step to walk around the world " but if you say .. it is too long I cannot do that ....you will not ! Theo_694@hotmail.com MSN messanger / or ICQ 25 666 169 4 L'Umiltą č la Peggiore delle Presunzioni (la Rochefoucauld) «»«»«» Just for today...be happy «»«»«» ###### From: Theo Newsgroups: alt.healing.reiki Subject: Re: On Topic: The Inner Attitude Date: Tue, 06 Jul 2004 09:14:08 +0200 Organization: [Posted via] Inter.net Germany GmbH Lines: 25 Message-ID: References: <1089045401.1472.0@ersa.uk.clara.net> Reply-To: byjoke@ch.inter.net Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Trace: news.eusc.inter.net 1089098088 4531 212.59.168.208 (6 Jul 2004 07:14:48 GMT) X-Complaints-To: abuse@eusc.inter.net User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows; U; Windows NT 5.1; en-US; rv:1.4) Gecko/20030624 Netscape/7.1 (ax) X-Accept-Language: en, fr, it In-Reply-To: <1089045401.1472.0@ersa.uk.clara.net> Path: nightfall.franklin.ch!pfaff2.ethz.ch!news-zh.switch.ch!switch.ch!solnet.ch!solnet.ch!newsfeed.freenet.de!eusc.inter.net!news.eusc.inter.net!not-for-mail Xref: nightfall.franklin.ch alt.healing.reiki:17476 Phasedreality wrote: > Hilary Starke wrote > >>For those interested, www.reiki.org is an appropriate and worthwhile link. Personlly I always found in Taggart's king site in his articles the very simplified essence of reiki and I still think a lot of what he has said and done .. even if I have the suspicion he he thinks I am pulling his legs in saying that > Theo_694@hotmail.com MSN messanger / or ICQ 25 666 169 4 L'Umiltą č la Peggiore delle Presunzioni (la Rochefoucauld) «»«»«» Just for today...be happy «»«»«» ###### From: Theo Newsgroups: alt.healing.reiki Subject: Re: On Topic: The Inner Attitude Date: Tue, 06 Jul 2004 12:39:43 +0200 Organization: [Posted via] Inter.net Germany GmbH Lines: 33 Message-ID: References: <1089045401.1472.0@ersa.uk.clara.net> Reply-To: byjoke@ch.inter.net Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Trace: news.eusc.inter.net 1089110431 6806 212.59.168.208 (6 Jul 2004 10:40:31 GMT) X-Complaints-To: abuse@eusc.inter.net User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows; U; Windows NT 5.1; en-US; rv:1.4) Gecko/20030624 Netscape/7.1 (ax) X-Accept-Language: en, fr, it In-Reply-To: Path: nightfall.franklin.ch!pfaff2.ethz.ch!news-zh.switch.ch!switch.ch!news.imp.ch!news.imp.ch!eusc.inter.net!news.eusc.inter.net!not-for-mail Xref: nightfall.franklin.ch alt.healing.reiki:17478 Hilary Starke wrote: > I have no idea what you are talking about. You want to spend £9995 - feel > free. If you dont want to spend the money who is asking you to? Could it > be a little touch of nostalgie de la banlieu? > May I ask one question? And a straight non-pass the buck answer > would be > nice ..... if you are putting a price on things, what are you prepared to > pay? > Is salvation an issue? Pardon me for being rude, but surely to > goodness > that was all settled a long time ago for those who choose to belive it? > This is combative - fine, go ahead. Hillary you have to becamo aware of one thing besides of the regulars in whatever newsgrop in the net people comes and goes.. and the general level normally stays at the 1st year class.. all the time more pople follows regularly the higher the level goes..there is a follow up.. but you cannot avoid newbies and their innocents questions... Theo_694@hotmail.com MSN messanger / or ICQ 25 666 169 4 L'Umiltą č la Peggiore delle Presunzioni (la Rochefoucauld) «»«»«» Just for today...be happy «»«»«» ###### From: gdwill@earthlink.net (Garry Williams) Newsgroups: alt.healing.reiki Subject: Re: On Topic: The Inner Attitude Date: Tue, 06 Jul 2004 11:00:06 GMT Lines: 34 Message-ID: <40ea80f1.1932031@news.Individual.NET> References: <40E951FB.6F2B2A9E@shaw.ca> <40e98e7d.1583121@news.Individual.NET> <40E99428.D2C1159C@shaw.ca> <40E9F7B0.F051BCAF@shaw.ca> Reply-To: gdwill@earthlink.net X-Trace: news.uni-berlin.de fS7CWSQgm5dKGmy03nnEeQP2OmMvZ8U0WmaxZ2/2Hy+sh4DFn1 X-Newsreader: Forte Free Agent 1.11/32.235 Path: nightfall.franklin.ch!pfaff2.ethz.ch!news-zh.switch.ch!switch.ch!solnet.ch!solnet.ch!fu-berlin.de!uni-berlin.de!not-for-mail Xref: nightfall.franklin.ch alt.healing.reiki:17479 On Tue, 06 Jul 2004 00:53:56 GMT, Rich wrote: >Boy, has this conversation taken off on a tangent! Let me try to clarify >once more, and thanks, Shadow. The phrase that I was unclearly referring >to is....."While you work on the client, forget everything else. Let go >of your thoughts and emotions, your concepts and opinions, and give the >client all you have." Sounds great to someone who either is a greatly >advanced meditator or someone who is denying that he always has >thoughts, opinions, concepts, emotions, etc. while doing Reiki. I deny >nothing. They are all there for me. Just me? I doubt it. One more time, Rich. You are making assumptions about the need to be "an advanced meditator", making it harder than it really is. If you stopped reading or turned off the receptivity machine after reading the line you quote above, you can be forgiven for interpreting it the way you have. Read down to the line about being with the client as totally as *you can*. Not some ideal state, just the best you can do at the moment that you are doing it. That's all. Your mind will be where your attention is. If, as Wolf said, you want it to be on the tv, or conversation, or your laundry list of things to do, it can be, but when I'm working on someone, I prefer to *try* (no one is perfect) to keep my attention focused on the recipient out of respect for them if nothing else. And as I mentioned before, just listen, really listen, to what your hands are telling you about the person you are working on. Even if they seem to be saying nothing! All the rest, the stuff that you imagine requires years of success as an advanced meditator, will follow by itself. But without the need for years of success as an advanced meditator. As another line in the original article said, "Then the magic happens all by itself..." Love and Light, Garry ###### From: "Hilary Starke" Newsgroups: alt.healing.reiki Subject: Re: On Topic: The Inner Attitude Date: Tue, 6 Jul 2004 11:41:50 +0000 (UTC) Organization: BT Openworld Lines: 51 Message-ID: References: <1089045401.1472.0@ersa.uk.clara.net> NNTP-Posting-Host: host81-156-25-41.range81-156.btcentralplus.com X-Trace: hercules.btinternet.com 1089114110 3327 81.156.25.41 (6 Jul 2004 11:41:50 GMT) X-Complaints-To: news-complaints@lists.btinternet.com NNTP-Posting-Date: Tue, 6 Jul 2004 11:41:50 +0000 (UTC) X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1409 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Priority: 3 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1409 Path: nightfall.franklin.ch!pfaff2.ethz.ch!news-zh.switch.ch!switch.ch!solnet.ch!solnet.ch!news2.euro.net!zen.net.uk!demorgan.zen.co.uk!194.72.9.35.MISMATCH!news-peer1!btnet-feed5!btnet!news.btopenworld.com!not-for-mail Xref: nightfall.franklin.ch alt.healing.reiki:17480 Hi Theo Yes I know - and I appreciate the reminder. My concern was how from one paragraph put up for discussion a leap was made to a figure which I cant even work out !!! No matter - you are right. Thank you. Love and hugs Hils "Theo" wrote in message news:ccdviu$6km$2@news.eusc.inter.net... > > > Hilary Starke wrote: > > > I have no idea what you are talking about. You want to spend £9995 - feel > > free. If you dont want to spend the money who is asking you to? Could it > > be a little touch of nostalgie de la banlieu? > > > > May I ask one question? And a straight non-pass the buck answer would be > > nice ..... if you are putting a price on things, what are you prepared to > > pay? > > > > Is salvation an issue? Pardon me for being rude, but surely to goodness > > that was all settled a long time ago for those who choose to belive it? > > > > This is combative - fine, go ahead. > > Hillary you have to becamo aware of one thing > besides of the regulars in whatever newsgrop in the net people > comes and goes.. and the general level normally stays at the 1st year > class.. all the time > more pople follows regularly > the higher the level goes..there is a follow up.. > but you cannot avoid newbies and their innocents questions... > > > Theo_694@hotmail.com MSN messanger / or ICQ 25 666 169 4 > > L'Umiltą č la Peggiore delle Presunzioni > (la Rochefoucauld) > > «»«»«» Just for today...be happy «»«»«» > ###### From: "David" Newsgroups: alt.healing.reiki References: <40E951FB.6F2B2A9E@shaw.ca> <40E997C7.820EDAA9@shaw.ca> <40E9DE43.D6F79663@shaw.ca> Subject: Re: On Topic: The Inner Attitude Lines: 12 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1409 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1409 Message-ID: Date: Tue, 06 Jul 2004 12:54:10 GMT NNTP-Posting-Host: 82.2.133.235 X-Complaints-To: abuse@virgin.net X-Trace: newsfe2-gui.ntli.net 1089118450 82.2.133.235 (Tue, 06 Jul 2004 12:54:10 GMT) NNTP-Posting-Date: Tue, 06 Jul 2004 12:54:10 GMT Organization: Virgin Net Usenet Service Path: nightfall.franklin.ch!pfaff2.ethz.ch!news-zh.switch.ch!switch.ch!solnet.ch!solnet.ch!news2.euro.net!fr.ip.ndsoftware.net!216.196.110.149.MISMATCH!border2.nntp.ams.giganews.com!nntp.giganews.com!news-out.ntli.net!newsrout1.ntli.net!news-in.ntli.net!ntli.net!newspeer1-win.ntli.net!newsfe2-gui.ntli.net.POSTED!53ab2750!not-for-mail Xref: nightfall.franklin.ch alt.healing.reiki:17481 "Rich" wrote in message news:40E9DE43.D6F79663@shaw.ca... > You keep it in a jar? Is that in case some day in the near future they > may find a cure for them things and can replant them? > Rich I'm leaving my body to science a bit at a time! David ###### From: "Phasedreality" Newsgroups: alt.healing.reiki References: <1089045401.1472.0@ersa.uk.clara.net> Subject: Re: On Topic: The Inner Attitude Date: Tue, 6 Jul 2004 14:05:10 +0100 Lines: 84 Organization: Phasedreality X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1409 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1409 X-Complaints-To: abuse@clara.net (please include full headers) X-Trace: f958217089b26964e216f602d755aa2b76d064459862c0afd060d65640eaa384 NNTP-Posting-Date: Tue, 06 Jul 2004 14:05:08 +0100 Message-ID: <1089119108.9393.0@echo.uk.clara.net> Path: nightfall.franklin.ch!pfaff2.ethz.ch!news-zh.switch.ch!switch.ch!news.ip-plus.net!newsfeed.ip-plus.net!news.tesion.net!news.belwue.de!feed.news.tiscali.de!tiscali!newsfeed1.ip.tiscali.net!216.196.110.149.MISMATCH!border2.nntp.ams.giganews.com!nntp.giganews.com!mephistopheles.news.clara.net!news.clara.net!echo.uk.clara.net Xref: nightfall.franklin.ch alt.healing.reiki:17482 Hilary Starke wrote: > I have no idea what you are talking about. You want to spend £9995 - feel > free. If you don't want to spend the money who is asking you to? Could it > be a little touch of nostalgie de la banlieu? OK, I accept that I may have jumped a little quickly to conclusions and, having looked at the site again, I can see that it does have some useful information albeit hidden in amongst all the advertising. I dunno, maybe I am being nostalgic and naive, but I do feel that it is important to be wary of the rapid and relentless commodification of spirituality in modern life. As I understand it, Dr Usui trained people in reiki because he wanted to help them take control of their lives. He specifically worked with homeless people because they needed it most. It seems to me that the reiki.org site is mainly concerned with selling amongst many other things, their own brand (complete with registered trademark!) of reiki and to be honest at $850 (+ $250 non refundable deposit) that seems rather expensive, and is far beyond the reach of most people.... I appreciate that in modern times reiki has become a means of earning a living for a lot of people - even reiki practitioners need to eat, live, advertise, drive sports cars, go on holiday to the Bahamas etc. etc. I'm not suggesting that it's not acceptable for someone to want to receive compensation for their time and effort and I also understand that some people feel that they can only accept healing if they give something in return to complete the transaction. However it seems to me that people are jumping on the spiritual band-wagon as they can see what a massive and potentially lucrative market it is. This seems to me to be moving away from reiki as a practice to reiki as an industry. This is very dangerous in my book as it brings in all sorts of influences that will see reiki as a way of lining their pockets rather than disseminating an incredibly useful and life-improving tool.. I know reiki is reiki at the end of the day and if I pay £800 for an attunement or if I get it for free it will be the same, but I think at a very deep level when money is involved it changes the way people perceive something and that in turn changes the way they pass their understanding onto others.... What next, "Reiki World" complete with T-shirts that say "My brother received a reiki attunment and all I got was this lousy T-shirt"? > May I ask one question? And a straight non-pass the buck answer would be > nice ..... if you are putting a price on things, what are you prepared to > pay? It would depend on how much money I had in my pocket and how much I felt the person deserved it. However, I think perhaps we should turn this around. How much would you be (do you) willing to charge for reiki? If someone comes to you with a need for healing and no money would you turn them away? What about if someone is rich and they don't want to pay does that mean that they don't get their healing? Why should reiki only be for the 'haves' in this world? Reiki doesn't cost anything, it is humans that put this value on it and I think that can potential change it from being a positive and universal thing, to being a power / political thing. Money after all is a major part of the way in which power operates in modern society. > Is salvation an issue? Pardon me for being rude, but surely to goodness > that was all settled a long time ago for those who choose to believe it? I think salvation is an issue for all of us, and I don't think it was settled 'a long time ago', but then that's my personal belief and I wouldn't want to try and force it on you. My point was that there are people who are preying on peoples beliefs to earn money and I don't think this is a good thing which ever way you look at it, perhaps you are being naive thinking otherwise? > This is combative - fine, go ahead. Awww shucks Hils, I don't want to fight with you! This is an interesting subject, lets leave the anger out of it, just for today eh? :o) > Love and hugs Back at ya! Dan ###### From: "Hilary Starke" Newsgroups: alt.healing.reiki Subject: Re: On Topic: The Inner Attitude Date: Tue, 6 Jul 2004 13:18:27 +0000 (UTC) Organization: BT Openworld Lines: 144 Message-ID: References: <1089045401.1472.0@ersa.uk.clara.net> <1089119108.9393.0@echo.uk.clara.net> NNTP-Posting-Host: host81-156-25-41.range81-156.btcentralplus.com X-Trace: sparta.btinternet.com 1089119907 5717 81.156.25.41 (6 Jul 2004 13:18:27 GMT) X-Complaints-To: news-complaints@lists.btinternet.com NNTP-Posting-Date: Tue, 6 Jul 2004 13:18:27 +0000 (UTC) X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1409 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Priority: 3 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1409 Path: nightfall.franklin.ch!pfaff2.ethz.ch!news-zh.switch.ch!irazu.switch.ch!switch.ch!news.belwue.de!news.uni-stuttgart.de!news.iesy.de!troll.iesy.de!newsfeed.wirehub.nl!news2.euro.net!216.196.110.149.MISMATCH!border2.nntp.ams.giganews.com!nntp.giganews.com!news.zanker.org!dedekind.zen.co.uk!zen.net.uk!demorgan.zen.co.uk!194.72.9.35.MISMATCH!news-peer1!btnet-feed3!newreader.ukcore.bt.net!btnet-feed5!btnet!news.btopenworld.com!not-for-mail Xref: nightfall.franklin.ch alt.healing.reiki:17483 Hello Dan Sure - I think you make some good points - however an article for discussion is an article for discussion. I sense you are talking about a vague "distaste" for want of a better word for "commercialising" reiki. On the other hand, if nobody talked about it at all, then the question arises, how do we spread the word - if such is our intention. It is my belief that reiki is primarily a self-development tool. This is the way I was taught when I started to study reiki, hence the emphasis on self-treatment. Would I "train" people for free? Yes - I already have. That is my choice. I believe that reiki itself is a gift, and knowledge of it is a gift, and that was one reason why I trained "for free" my husband and my best friend. I felt and still feel it is one of the greatest gifts I can give anyone. It is one of the reasons I love reiki so much. I had a discussion around this topic, or around an aspect of it, about 15 months ago with a very dear friend of mine - and the words I used then, if memory serves, were that if even one person benefits from reiki - then it is a good thing. If I choose to borrow or spend the money I have earned (I am speaking here not of through the practice of reiki) on "expensive" training, then that choice of investment is mine. I may be putting words in your mouth here, and I may be reaching too far from what you are saying .... and the precept wording I use is "Just for today, do not anger". Thanks Dan for your thoughts. Much appreciated. Love and hugs Hils "Phasedreality" wrote in message news:1089119108.9393.0@echo.uk.clara.net... > Hilary Starke wrote: > > > I have no idea what you are talking about. You want to spend £9995 - feel > > free. If you don't want to spend the money who is asking you to? Could > it > > be a little touch of nostalgie de la banlieu? > > OK, I accept that I may have jumped a little quickly to conclusions and, > having looked at the site again, I can see that it does have some useful > information albeit hidden in amongst all the advertising. I dunno, maybe I > am being nostalgic and naive, but I do feel that it is important to be wary > of the rapid and relentless commodification of spirituality in modern life. > As I understand it, Dr Usui trained people in reiki because he wanted to > help them take control of their lives. He specifically worked with homeless > people because they needed it most. It seems to me that the reiki.org site > is mainly concerned with selling amongst many other things, their own brand > (complete with registered trademark!) of reiki and to be honest at $850 (+ > $250 non refundable deposit) that seems rather expensive, and is far beyond > the reach of most people.... > > I appreciate that in modern times reiki has become a means of earning a > living for a lot of people - even reiki practitioners need to eat, live, > advertise, drive sports cars, go on holiday to the Bahamas etc. etc. I'm not > suggesting that it's not acceptable for someone to want to receive > compensation for their time and effort and I also understand that some > people feel that they can only accept healing if they give something in > return to complete the transaction. > > However it seems to me that people are jumping on the spiritual band-wagon > as they can see what a massive and potentially lucrative market it is. This > seems to me to be moving away from reiki as a practice to reiki as an > industry. This is very dangerous in my book as it brings in all sorts of > influences that will see reiki as a way of lining their pockets rather than > disseminating an incredibly useful and life-improving tool.. I know reiki is > reiki at the end of the day and if I pay £800 for an attunement or if I get > it for free it will be the same, but I think at a very deep level when money > is involved it changes the way people perceive something and that in turn > changes the way they pass their understanding onto others.... > > What next, "Reiki World" complete with T-shirts that say "My brother > received a reiki attunment and all I got was this lousy T-shirt"? > > > May I ask one question? And a straight non-pass the buck answer would be > > nice ..... if you are putting a price on things, what are you prepared to > > pay? > > It would depend on how much money I had in my pocket and how much I felt the > person deserved it. However, I think perhaps we should turn this around. How > much would you be (do you) willing to charge for reiki? If someone comes to > you > with a need for healing and no money would you turn them away? What about if > someone is rich and they don't want to pay does that mean that they don't > get their healing? Why should reiki only be for the 'haves' in this world? > Reiki doesn't cost anything, it is humans that put this value on it and I > think that can potential change it from being a positive and universal > thing, to being a > power / political thing. Money after all is a major part of the way in which > power operates in modern society. > > > Is salvation an issue? Pardon me for being rude, but surely to goodness > > that was all settled a long time ago for those who choose to believe it? > > I think salvation is an issue for all of us, and I don't think it was > settled 'a long time ago', but then that's my personal belief and I wouldn't > want to try and force it on you. My point was that there are people who are > preying on peoples beliefs to earn money and I don't think this is a good > thing which ever way you look at it, perhaps you are being naive thinking > otherwise? > > > This is combative - fine, go ahead. > > Awww shucks Hils, I don't want to fight with you! This is an interesting > subject, lets leave the anger out of it, just for today eh? > > :o) > > > Love and hugs > > Back at ya! > > Dan > > > ###### From: "Phasedreality" Newsgroups: alt.healing.reiki References: <1089045401.1472.0@ersa.uk.clara.net> Subject: Re: On Topic: The Inner Attitude Date: Tue, 6 Jul 2004 14:19:19 +0100 Lines: 17 Organization: Phasedreality X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1409 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1409 X-Complaints-To: abuse@clara.net (please include full headers) X-Trace: 64606202edb68a99d44594c227956f0084dbf650cc94f920570c246040eaa6d5 NNTP-Posting-Date: Tue, 06 Jul 2004 14:19:17 +0100 Message-ID: <1089119957.9616.0@echo.uk.clara.net> Path: nightfall.franklin.ch!pfaff2.ethz.ch!news-zh.switch.ch!switch.ch!news.imp.ch!news.imp.ch!dedekind.zen.co.uk!zen.net.uk!hamilton.zen.co.uk!213.253.16.105.MISMATCH!mephistopheles.news.clara.net!news.clara.net!echo.uk.clara.net Xref: nightfall.franklin.ch alt.healing.reiki:17484 Hilary wrote: > Yes I know - and I appreciate the reminder. My concern was how from one > paragraph put up for discussion a leap was made to a figure which I cant > even work out !!! No matter - you are right. Thank you. It wasn't the paragraph that I took issue with, it was the website that you recommended as being 'worthwhile' I think perhaps there has been some confusion here... Love & Light Dan. ###### X-Trace-PostClient-IP: 68.144.1.130 Message-ID: <40EAC2C1.B1C74BEC@shaw.ca> From: Rich X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.79 [en]C-CCK-MCD telus.net_v5.0.1HS (Win98; U) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 Newsgroups: alt.healing.reiki Subject: Re: On Topic: The Inner Attitude References: <40E951FB.6F2B2A9E@shaw.ca> <40e98e7d.1583121@news.Individual.NET> <40E99428.D2C1159C@shaw.ca> <40e9e10e.1475163@news.Individual.NET> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Lines: 55 Date: Tue, 06 Jul 2004 15:20:21 GMT NNTP-Posting-Host: 24.71.223.147 X-Complaints-To: abuse@shaw.ca X-Trace: pd7tw3no 1089127221 24.71.223.147 (Tue, 06 Jul 2004 09:20:21 MDT) NNTP-Posting-Date: Tue, 06 Jul 2004 09:20:21 MDT Organization: Shaw Residential Internet Path: nightfall.franklin.ch!pfaff2.ethz.ch!news-zh.switch.ch!irazu.switch.ch!switch.ch!news.tele.dk!news.tele.dk!small.news.tele.dk!feed.cgocable.net!pd7cy1no!shaw.ca!pd7tw3no.POSTED!53ab2750!not-for-mail Xref: nightfall.franklin.ch alt.healing.reiki:17485 Hi Theo, Whoa! Theo, you are telling me what I think and then responding to what you made up, like I really do think that. Well, you are inaccurate. I might point out that this is a common trait of yours, so you really need to pay attention. It was the 'quote' that set the technique. I said I do not have that technique and won't do the work to establish the technique. Get it? Rich Theo wrote: > > He is too physical and materialistic and cannot separate from that > way of being > > I guess Rich thinks *technique*makes the monk .. instead it is the > assimilated inner attitude the makes the monk > you are not a shaman hen you use a wand and amulets.. you can be a > shaman if your are a shaman inside and no wands and no amulets > > Garry Williams wrote: > > > On Mon, 05 Jul 2004 17:49:15 GMT, Rich wrote: > > > > > >>Okay, gosh darn it! Let me re-phrase...there is a discipline required in > >>getting to that phase and I am not committed to the journey. I never > >>said it wasn't a possibility. I also cannot play piano at Carnegie Hall, > >>because I have no intention of applying myself at that level. And I have > >>no special talent that I have discovered that would make my performance > >>so unique that I could by-pass the usual standards. I've tried playing > >>one-handed while holding a beer, and then I run out of ideas! > > > > > > LOL Trust me, Rich. Being present while doing Reiki is a whole lot > > easier than playing at Carnegie Hall. It only seems hard because you > > think it is. Stop thinking and worrying about it and it will come to > > you naturally. It's not a matter of learning to do something you > > didn't know. It's already in you, and always has been. You just think > > it isn't because you keep telling yourself it's not there. Just listen > > to your hands. That's all! Don't talk to them; just be a good > > listener! Too bad playing piano isn't that easy. Or maybe it is, for > > all I know? Just listen to your hands! ;-) > > > > Love and Light, > > > > Garry > > > > -- > Theo_694@hotmail.com MSN messanger / or ICQ 25 666 169 4 > > L'Umiltą č la Peggiore delle Presunzioni > (la Rochefoucauld) > > «»«»«» Just for today...be happy «»«»«» ###### X-Trace-PostClient-IP: 68.144.1.130 Message-ID: <40EAC37F.5FB81555@shaw.ca> From: Rich X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.79 [en]C-CCK-MCD telus.net_v5.0.1HS (Win98; U) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 Newsgroups: alt.healing.reiki Subject: Re: On Topic: The Inner Attitude References: <40E951FB.6F2B2A9E@shaw.ca> <40e98e7d.1583121@news.Individual.NET> <40E99428.D2C1159C@shaw.ca> <40E9F7B0.F051BCAF@shaw.ca> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Lines: 40 Date: Tue, 06 Jul 2004 15:23:31 GMT NNTP-Posting-Host: 24.71.223.147 X-Complaints-To: abuse@shaw.ca X-Trace: pd7tw1no 1089127411 24.71.223.147 (Tue, 06 Jul 2004 09:23:31 MDT) NNTP-Posting-Date: Tue, 06 Jul 2004 09:23:31 MDT Organization: Shaw Residential Internet Path: nightfall.franklin.ch!pfaff2.ethz.ch!news-zh.switch.ch!irazu.switch.ch!switch.ch!newsfeed00.sul.t-online.de!t-online.de!border2.nntp.dca.giganews.com!border1.nntp.dca.giganews.com!nntp.giganews.com!pd7cy2so!shaw.ca!pd7tw1no.POSTED!53ab2750!not-for-mail Xref: nightfall.franklin.ch alt.healing.reiki:17486 Hi Theo, I have been 'doing meditation techniques' for a long time and have a sense of where I am with it. That is why I responded the way I did. You seem to imply I have never heard of meditation. Don't make up stuff, Theo! Rich Theo wrote: > > Rich wrote: > > > Boy, has this conversation taken off on a tangent! Let me try to clarify > > once more, and thanks, Shadow. The phrase that I was unclearly referring > > to is....."While you work on the client, forget everything else. Let go > > of your thoughts and emotions, your concepts and opinions, and give the > > client all you have." Sounds great to someone who either is a greatly > > advanced meditator or someone who is denying that he always has > > thoughts, opinions, concepts, emotions, etc. while doing Reiki. I deny > > nothing. They are all there for me. Just me? I doubt it. > > Cheers > > Rich > Hi can I suggest something ? > try to get from the net some Za Zen meditation techniques in english > Deishamaru's probably > and do this for few weeks 10 20 minutes > start 20 breatings in-ou until to make 100 fatera sometime > after 3 months you'll see the effects > > sometimes it takes longer or quicker bt you will see them > and that will be the real starting point > > " you always need to start with the first step to walk around the > world " but if you say .. it is too long I cannot do that ....you will not ! > > Theo_694@hotmail.com MSN messanger / or ICQ 25 666 169 4 > > L'Umiltą č la Peggiore delle Presunzioni > (la Rochefoucauld) > > «»«»«» Just for today...be happy «»«»«» ###### X-Trace-PostClient-IP: 68.144.1.130 Message-ID: <40EAC88C.A23ED26A@shaw.ca> From: Rich X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.79 [en]C-CCK-MCD telus.net_v5.0.1HS (Win98; U) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 Newsgroups: alt.healing.reiki Subject: Re: On Topic: The Inner Attitude References: <40E951FB.6F2B2A9E@shaw.ca> <40e98e7d.1583121@news.Individual.NET> <40E99428.D2C1159C@shaw.ca> <40E9F7B0.F051BCAF@shaw.ca> <40ea80f1.1932031@news.Individual.NET> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Lines: 55 Date: Tue, 06 Jul 2004 15:45:04 GMT NNTP-Posting-Host: 24.71.223.147 X-Complaints-To: abuse@shaw.ca X-Trace: pd7tw3no 1089128704 24.71.223.147 (Tue, 06 Jul 2004 09:45:04 MDT) NNTP-Posting-Date: Tue, 06 Jul 2004 09:45:04 MDT Organization: Shaw Residential Internet Path: nightfall.franklin.ch!pfaff2.ethz.ch!news-zh.switch.ch!irazu.switch.ch!switch.ch!newsfeed00.sul.t-online.de!t-online.de!border2.nntp.dca.giganews.com!nntp.giganews.com!feed5.newsreader.com!newsreader.com!news3.optonline.net!pd7cy1no!shaw.ca!pd7tw3no.POSTED!53ab2750!not-for-mail Xref: nightfall.franklin.ch alt.healing.reiki:17487 Garry Williams wrote: > > On Tue, 06 Jul 2004 00:53:56 GMT, Rich wrote: > > >Boy, has this conversation taken off on a tangent! Let me try to clarify > >once more, and thanks, Shadow. The phrase that I was unclearly referring > >to is....."While you work on the client, forget everything else. Let go > >of your thoughts and emotions, your concepts and opinions, and give the > >client all you have." Sounds great to someone who either is a greatly > >advanced meditator or someone who is denying that he always has > >thoughts, opinions, concepts, emotions, etc. while doing Reiki. I deny > >nothing. They are all there for me. Just me? I doubt it. > > One more time, Rich. You are making assumptions about the need to be > "an advanced meditator", making it harder than it really is. Nope, Garry, I am not making assumptions. I have spoken to many people who meditate, and have read much meditative literature. I am not making it hard at all. I am participating the way I participate. Y'all have somehow got hooked into something that are your own issues. >If you > stopped reading or turned off the receptivity machine after reading > the line you quote above, you can be forgiven for interpreting it the > way you have. Read down to the line about being with the client as > totally as *you can*. Not some ideal state, just the best you can do > at the moment that you are doing it. That's all. But that's exactly what I said I do! I do not and am not trying for the idealistic technique! >Your mind will be > where your attention is. If, as Wolf said, you want it to be on the > tv, or conversation, or your laundry list of things to do, it can be, > but when I'm working on someone, I prefer to *try* (no one is perfect) > to keep my attention focused on the recipient out of respect for them > if nothing else. And as I mentioned before, just listen, really > listen, to what your hands are telling you about the person you are > working on. Even if they seem to be saying nothing! All the rest, the > stuff that you imagine requires years of success as an advanced > meditator, will follow by itself. But without the need for years of > success as an advanced meditator. As another line in the original > article said, "Then the magic happens all by itself..." Well, here we are, right back to where I started. Thanks for re-affirming exactly what I already practice! I really should have stayed at home, rather than go for this ride! :) cheers Rich ###### From: "Phasedreality" Newsgroups: alt.healing.reiki References: <1089045401.1472.0@ersa.uk.clara.net> <1089119108.9393.0@echo.uk.clara.net> Subject: Re: On Topic: The Inner Attitude Date: Tue, 6 Jul 2004 20:06:17 +0100 Lines: 77 Organization: Phasedreality X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1409 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1409 X-Complaints-To: abuse@clara.net (please include full headers) X-Trace: d86260f8d69289a8965660b8a692aaacd044b07725a56a40e124296f40eaf824 NNTP-Posting-Date: Tue, 06 Jul 2004 20:06:12 +0100 Message-ID: <1089140772.25132.0@nnrp-t71-02.news.uk.clara.net> Path: nightfall.franklin.ch!pfaff2.ethz.ch!news-zh.switch.ch!switch.ch!solnet.ch!solnet.ch!news2.euro.net!fr.ip.ndsoftware.net!proxad.net!proxad.net!213.253.16.105.MISMATCH!mephistopheles.news.clara.net!news.clara.net!nnrp-t71-02.news.uk.clara.net Xref: nightfall.franklin.ch alt.healing.reiki:17489 Hey Hils! > Sure - I think you make some good points - however an article for discussion > is an article for discussion. Yeah, I'm sorry if I got a bit sidetracked away from your initial point. I think I brought some of my own issues into the thread as I have recently been having a lot of discussion about the 'cost of reiki' with friends and family. I'm sorry if I passed this onto you and in doing so ignored your main thoughts! >I sense you are talking about a vague "distaste" for want >of a better word for "commercialising" reiki. On the other >hand, if nobody talked about it at all, then the question >arises, how do we spread the word - if such is our intention. I think distrust would be a better word! Anyway, we don't need money to talk and spread the word, it's one of the few free things left in life! > It is my belief that reiki is primarily a self-development tool. This is > the way I was taught when I started to study reiki, hence the emphasis on > self-treatment. Absolutely! And how! It's certainly helped me through more than one healing crisis. Not that I think we're ever completely 'healed' but each time I learn more, and feel more complete. There is no doubt in my mind that reiki has been a key part in my continued development... > Would I "train" people for free? Yes - I already have. That is my choice. > I believe that reiki itself is a gift, and knowledge of it is a gift, and > that was one reason why I trained "for free" my husband and my best friend. > I felt and still feel it is one of the greatest gifts I can give anyone. It > is one of the reasons I love reiki so much. Definitely!... When I do my reiki mastership I am hoping to offer free reiki attunments in the local park so I'm not renting a room, and without photocopied notes so there are no stationary costs! I might end up bumping into the reiki mafia as a result, but I strongly believe that reiki should be available to everyone no matter how rich or poor! > I had a discussion around this topic, or around an aspect of it, about 15 > months ago with a very dear friend of mine - and the words I used then, if > memory serves, were that if even one person benefits from reiki - then it is > a good thing. Yup, and you certainly can't put a 'value' on that... > If I choose to borrow or spend the money I have earned (I am speaking here > not of through the practice of reiki) on "expensive" training, then that > choice of investment is mine. Defiantly.. but I think sometimes 'choice' is a word that hides some of the underhanded effects of capitalism. It's 'my money' and I will do 'what I want' with it seems perfectly logical, but then that puts the focus on money (and consequently value) as being a liberating thing to have beacuse it gives you access to 'choice'. The flip side of this is that people who don't have money have no access to 'choice' as everything is geared towards a monetary economy. I dunno, I don't think it's necessary (or desirable!) for me to get into a 'capitalism is bad' debate here so I'll shut up now. I guess at the end of the day I just feel that something as important as reiki should be as 'free as possible' so that everyone can have access to it no matter how rich or poor.... > Thanks Dan for your thoughts. Much appreciated. Likewise! Love & Light Dan. ###### From: montane Newsgroups: alt.healing.reiki Subject: Re: On Topic: The Inner Attitude Date: Tue, 06 Jul 2004 15:45:49 -0700 Organization: http://extra.newsguy.com Lines: 47 Message-ID: <4o9me0poagmavmer2ek85fjp22b0o1s2el@4ax.com> References: <1089045401.1472.0@ersa.uk.clara.net> <1089119108.9393.0@echo.uk.clara.net> <1089140772.25132.0@nnrp-t71-02.news.uk.clara.net> NNTP-Posting-Host: p-849.newsdawg.com Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Newsreader: Forte Free Agent 1.93/32.576 English (American) Path: nightfall.franklin.ch!pfaff2.ethz.ch!news-zh.switch.ch!switch.ch!solnet.ch!solnet.ch!news.moat.net!pln-w!spln!dex!extra.newsguy.com!newsp.newsguy.com!enews2 Xref: nightfall.franklin.ch alt.healing.reiki:17497 On Tue, 6 Jul 2004 20:06:17 +0100, "Phasedreality" wrote: >Definitely!... When I do my reiki mastership I am hoping to offer free reiki >attunments in the local park so I'm not renting a room, and without >photocopied notes so there are no stationary costs! I might end up bumping >into the reiki mafia as a result, but I strongly believe that reiki should >be available to everyone no matter how rich or poor! > > >Love & Light > >Dan. > Hi, Dan Your aspirations to make Reiki training freely available are admirable. You seem motivated by the right things. I doubt you'll have a problem with the "Reiki mafia." From what I can tell, anything like that is greatly overblown. I've heard people raise complaints (here on AHR), but they seem to dissipate. Reiki is actually incredibly decentralized -- the opposite of a cult. What *is* the issue, I think, is what kind of training you will give. I'm not comunicating this from the standpoint of officialdom or orthodoxy, but rather from the standpoint of wishing that there was more quality Reiki training available. I'm not just refering to effective attunements. That is the "sine qua non" ('without which, nothing') in my opinion, but it is just the beginning. There are some gifted people who are natural healers, but most people need to be shown by example what good healing is. And they need to be given methods to strengthen their connection with Reiki and to more effectively transfer its influence to others for the pupose of healing. You might find Hirosho Doi's writings (he's published a book, with a number of exercises explained). Good luck................. Namaste, montane ###### From: gdwill@earthlink.net (Garry Williams) Newsgroups: alt.healing.reiki Subject: Re: On Topic: The Inner Attitude Date: Tue, 06 Jul 2004 23:16:30 GMT Lines: 15 Message-ID: <40eb3248.1654540@news.Individual.NET> References: <40E951FB.6F2B2A9E@shaw.ca> <40e98e7d.1583121@news.Individual.NET> <40E99428.D2C1159C@shaw.ca> <40E9F7B0.F051BCAF@shaw.ca> <40ea80f1.1932031@news.Individual.NET> <40EAC88C.A23ED26A@shaw.ca> Reply-To: gdwill@earthlink.net X-Trace: news.uni-berlin.de k8cg3eLWilD41nOA229cHQhbPT9qogk2kZw+0x+xIqHBsq5ofx X-Newsreader: Forte Free Agent 1.11/32.235 Path: nightfall.franklin.ch!pfaff2.ethz.ch!news-zh.switch.ch!irazu.switch.ch!switch.ch!news.belwue.de!fu-berlin.de!uni-berlin.de!not-for-mail Xref: nightfall.franklin.ch alt.healing.reiki:17498 On Tue, 06 Jul 2004 15:45:04 GMT, Rich wrote: >Well, here we are, right back to where I started. Thanks for >re-affirming >exactly what I already practice! I really should have stayed at home, >rather than go for this ride! :) LOL I guess where we disagree is as to whether the article is telling us we have to be perfect meditators or not. You say tomayto, I say tomahto. Or vice versa. :-) BTW, before we get home, can we stop for a beer? Garry ###### From: gdwill@earthlink.net (Garry Williams) Newsgroups: alt.healing.reiki Subject: Re: On Topic: The Inner Attitude Date: Tue, 06 Jul 2004 23:22:28 GMT Lines: 21 Message-ID: <40eb335f.1933199@news.Individual.NET> References: <1089045401.1472.0@ersa.uk.clara.net> <1089119108.9393.0@echo.uk.clara.net> <1089140772.25132.0@nnrp-t71-02.news.uk.clara.net> Reply-To: gdwill@earthlink.net X-Trace: news.uni-berlin.de loxqBUkkmHux8BOgFRD88AFXTyOCp6fqx83vzqoT8opER6/uvA X-Newsreader: Forte Free Agent 1.11/32.235 Path: nightfall.franklin.ch!pfaff2.ethz.ch!news-zh.switch.ch!switch.ch!solnet.ch!solnet.ch!fu-berlin.de!uni-berlin.de!not-for-mail Xref: nightfall.franklin.ch alt.healing.reiki:17499 On Tue, 6 Jul 2004 20:06:17 +0100, "Phasedreality" wrote: >guess at the end of the day I just feel that something as important as reiki >should be as 'free as possible' so that everyone can have access to it no >matter how rich or poor.... Don't worry, Dan (at least not for today). Although there are plenty of "commercialized" Reiki choices, there are also plenty of free or low cost Reiki choices. Things have improved mightily over the past decade. Love and Light, Garry "Free Reiki!" "I didn't know it was in prison?" ###### From: stuv@cix.co.uk (Stuart Vernon) Newsgroups: alt.healing.reiki Subject: Re: On Topic: The Inner Attitude Date: Wed, 7 Jul 2004 00:29 +0100 (BST) Lines: 22 Message-ID: References: <4o9me0poagmavmer2ek85fjp22b0o1s2el@4ax.com> Reply-To: stuv@cix.co.uk X-Trace: news.uni-berlin.de asxOp3KCrbs6fSkVNg0dPw27c+Nk4bjFOeLcj6hjETzEqvOgw= X-News-Software: Ameol2 X-URL: http://www.ameol.com Path: nightfall.franklin.ch!pfaff2.ethz.ch!news-zh.switch.ch!irazu.switch.ch!switch.ch!news.belwue.de!fu-berlin.de!uni-berlin.de!not-for-mail Xref: nightfall.franklin.ch alt.healing.reiki:17501 (montane) wrote: Hi Joel and Dan > I doubt you'll have a problem with the "Reiki mafia." From what I can > tell, anything like that is greatly overblown. I've heard people > raise complaints (here on AHR), but they seem to dissipate. Don't be so sure, Joel .. I'm going back maybe 5 years, but my RM, on doing a course out of town, received a phonecall at the hotel to inform him that "this is *our* territory" ... I won't mention the UK town as that might identify the person(s) .. > Reiki is actually incredibly decentralized -- the opposite of a cult. Agree ... absolutely .. Joel, you're the psycho guy .. how is this independence maintained within a common concept? Stuart ###### From: montane Newsgroups: alt.healing.reiki Subject: Re: On Topic: The Inner Attitude Date: Tue, 06 Jul 2004 17:01:32 -0700 Organization: http://extra.newsguy.com Lines: 32 Message-ID: References: <4o9me0poagmavmer2ek85fjp22b0o1s2el@4ax.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: p-172.newsdawg.com Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Newsreader: Forte Free Agent 1.93/32.576 English (American) Path: nightfall.franklin.ch!pfaff2.ethz.ch!news-zh.switch.ch!irazu.switch.ch!switch.ch!newsfeed00.sul.t-online.de!t-online.de!news.glorb.com!pln-e!spln!dex!extra.newsguy.com!newsp.newsguy.com!enews1 Xref: nightfall.franklin.ch alt.healing.reiki:17506 On Wed, 7 Jul 2004 00:29 +0100 (BST), stuv@cix.co.uk (Stuart Vernon) wrote: >(montane) wrote: > >Hi Joel and Dan > > >Joel, you're the psycho guy .. how is this independence maintained >within a common concept? > >Stuart Well, I can probably offer my opinion on that best with a metaphor. Usui and his successors have led us to a sizable lake. We each drink there and, by our comments, we seem to be describing the same sense of what it means to drink cool water. No one owns the lake, I guess, and there is room for many. I'm not sure that I quite accept that Reiki energy is the same as every other form of UE (to use Alex's term), but it seems probable that all of us attuned to Reiki have been attuned to the same energy band (to use that expression, which in itself may only be a metaphor when we are refering to something spiritual). Once attuned, it's a matter of technique and self-development, I believe. Our opinions may be varied (and this is the source of much independence), but we share a commonality. Namaste, m/J ###### X-Trace-PostClient-IP: 68.144.1.130 Message-ID: <40EB402E.39855718@shaw.ca> From: Rich X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.79 [en]C-CCK-MCD telus.net_v5.0.1HS (Win98; U) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 Newsgroups: alt.healing.reiki Subject: Re: On Topic: The Inner Attitude References: <40E951FB.6F2B2A9E@shaw.ca> <40e98e7d.1583121@news.Individual.NET> <40E99428.D2C1159C@shaw.ca> <40E9F7B0.F051BCAF@shaw.ca> <40ea80f1.1932031@news.Individual.NET> <40EAC88C.A23ED26A@shaw.ca> <40eb3248.1654540@news.Individual.NET> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Lines: 46 Date: Wed, 07 Jul 2004 00:15:33 GMT NNTP-Posting-Host: 24.71.223.147 X-Complaints-To: abuse@shaw.ca X-Trace: pd7tw1no 1089159333 24.71.223.147 (Tue, 06 Jul 2004 18:15:33 MDT) NNTP-Posting-Date: Tue, 06 Jul 2004 18:15:33 MDT Organization: Shaw Residential Internet Path: nightfall.franklin.ch!pfaff2.ethz.ch!news-zh.switch.ch!irazu.switch.ch!switch.ch!news.tele.dk!news.tele.dk!small.news.tele.dk!feed.cgocable.net!pd7cy1no!shaw.ca!pd7tw1no.POSTED!53ab2750!not-for-mail Xref: nightfall.franklin.ch alt.healing.reiki:17505 Of course it doesn't say that directly, but it infers things that would belong in the realm of those who have a facility in meditating......or something like it. I'll use this post to respond to your comment about playing piano. There is a book called 'Effortless Mastery- Liberating the Master Musician Within'. Notice his use of the word 'Master'. To him it means that degree of effortlessness that is possible in performing music. Notice how much people reject the use of the word Master as attached to Reiki. What if a Reiki Master meant that one has reached the same effortlessness in its practice? Different? So, a couple of phrases pertaining to the purpose of the book. "Struggling classical performers don't know what 'channeling creativity' is because they are dominated by their conscious minds. One must practice surrendering control to a larger, or higher force. It's scary at first but eventually liberating. In Sanskrit the word is moksha, and is attainable through the surrender of the smaller self to the larger 'Self'. After one taste of moksha, one will never want to return to a life of 'thinking music'. As one moves beyond the acceptable to the inevitable, creativity flows and personal power increases manyfold." Neat, huh? One of the exercises for stopping the thinking music is to spend five minutes at a time, a few times a day, just dropping the finger effortlessly on the piano key, nothing more. After a couple weeks there is a noticeable difference in playing. Yep, it does work! So, you touched on something in your comment about the ease of playing....unfortunately this is uncommon in the music teaching industry, and many promising students lose their dream. A beer would be great and let's let someone else be the piano man! Cheers Rich Garry Williams wrote: > > On Tue, 06 Jul 2004 15:45:04 GMT, Rich wrote: > > >Well, here we are, right back to where I started. Thanks for > >re-affirming > >exactly what I already practice! I really should have stayed at home, > >rather than go for this ride! :) > > LOL I guess where we disagree is as to whether the article is telling > us we have to be perfect meditators or not. You say tomayto, I say > tomahto. Or vice versa. :-) > > BTW, before we get home, can we stop for a beer? > > Garry ###### From: suzeeq Newsgroups: alt.healing.reiki Subject: Re: On Topic: The Inner Attitude Date: Tue, 06 Jul 2004 21:18:53 -0400 Lines: 38 Message-ID: <40EB4F7D.9426C983@imbris.com> References: <4o9me0poagmavmer2ek85fjp22b0o1s2el@4ax.com> Reply-To: qiuser@yahoo.com Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Trace: news.uni-berlin.de kMKOGckw960Nhjaa9gW+rAzKfMLzo08khmhHF1t3RN3ifNrZGd X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.78 [en] (Win98; U) X-Accept-Language: en Path: nightfall.franklin.ch!pfaff2.ethz.ch!news-zh.switch.ch!switch.ch!solnet.ch!solnet.ch!fu-berlin.de!uni-berlin.de!not-for-mail Xref: nightfall.franklin.ch alt.healing.reiki:17509 montane wrote: > > On Wed, 7 Jul 2004 00:29 +0100 (BST), stuv@cix.co.uk (Stuart > Vernon) wrote: > > >(montane) wrote: > > > >Hi Joel and Dan > > > > > >Joel, you're the psycho guy .. how is this independence maintained > >within a common concept? > > > >Stuart > > Well, I can probably offer my opinion on that best with a > metaphor. Usui and his successors have led us to a sizable lake. > We each drink there and, by our comments, we seem to be > describing the same sense of what it means to drink cool water. > No one owns the lake, I guess, and there is room for many. > > I'm not sure that I quite accept that Reiki energy is the same as > every other form of UE (to use Alex's term), but it seems > probable that all of us attuned to Reiki have been attuned to the > same energy band (to use that expression, which in itself may > only be a metaphor when we are refering to something spiritual). > > Once attuned, it's a matter of technique and self-development, I > believe. Our opinions may be varied (and this is the source of > much independence), but we share a commonality. Your `attuned to the same energy band' thought has some merit to it. That we perceive that energy band differently is where we differ, and likely has something to do with the ability of our `tuner' to tune into it. Some have more sensitive ones than others do. Usually, though, working with it heightens everyone's sensitivity to some degree. sue ###### From: Theo Newsgroups: alt.healing.reiki Subject: Re: On Topic: The Inner Attitude Date: Wed, 07 Jul 2004 09:55:29 +0200 Organization: [Posted via] Inter.net Germany GmbH Lines: 23 Message-ID: References: <40E951FB.6F2B2A9E@shaw.ca> <40e98e7d.1583121@news.Individual.NET> <40E99428.D2C1159C@shaw.ca> <40e9e10e.1475163@news.Individual.NET> <40EAC2C1.B1C74BEC@shaw.ca> Reply-To: byjoke@ch.inter.net Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Trace: news.eusc.inter.net 1089186961 24081 212.59.132.71 (7 Jul 2004 07:56:01 GMT) X-Complaints-To: abuse@eusc.inter.net User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows; U; Windows NT 5.1; en-US; rv:1.4) Gecko/20030624 Netscape/7.1 (ax) X-Accept-Language: en, fr, it In-Reply-To: <40EAC2C1.B1C74BEC@shaw.ca> Path: nightfall.franklin.ch!pfaff2.ethz.ch!news-zh.switch.ch!switch.ch!news.imp.ch!news.imp.ch!eusc.inter.net!news.eusc.inter.net!not-for-mail Xref: nightfall.franklin.ch alt.healing.reiki:17513 Rich wrote: > Hi Theo, > Whoa! Theo, you are telling me what I think and then responding to what > you made up, like I really do think that. > Well, you are inaccurate. I might point out that this is a common trait > of yours, so you really need to pay attention. It was the 'quote' that > set the technique. I said I do not have that technique and won't do the > work to establish the technique. Get it? > Rich yes i get it.. this is why i already complained that you seed troubles .. well next time you'll get your spiders out of the spiderweb yourself! Theo_694@hotmail.com MSN messanger / or ICQ 25 666 169 4 L'Umiltą č la Peggiore delle Presunzioni (la Rochefoucauld) «»«»«» Just for today...be happy «»«»«» ###### From: Theo Newsgroups: alt.healing.reiki Subject: Re: On Topic: The Inner Attitude Date: Wed, 07 Jul 2004 09:57:48 +0200 Organization: [Posted via] Inter.net Germany GmbH Lines: 61 Message-ID: References: <40E951FB.6F2B2A9E@shaw.ca> <40e98e7d.1583121@news.Individual.NET> <40E99428.D2C1159C@shaw.ca> <40E9F7B0.F051BCAF@shaw.ca> <40EAC37F.5FB81555@shaw.ca> Reply-To: byjoke@ch.inter.net Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Trace: news.eusc.inter.net 1089187100 24081 212.59.132.71 (7 Jul 2004 07:58:20 GMT) X-Complaints-To: abuse@eusc.inter.net User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows; U; Windows NT 5.1; en-US; rv:1.4) Gecko/20030624 Netscape/7.1 (ax) X-Accept-Language: en, fr, it In-Reply-To: <40EAC37F.5FB81555@shaw.ca> Path: nightfall.franklin.ch!pfaff2.ethz.ch!news-zh.switch.ch!switch.ch!solnet.ch!solnet.ch!newsfeed.freenet.de!eusc.inter.net!news.eusc.inter.net!not-for-mail Xref: nightfall.franklin.ch alt.healing.reiki:17514 Rich wrote: > Hi Theo, > I have been 'doing meditation techniques' for a long time and have a > sense of where I am with it. That is why I responded the way I did. You > seem to imply I have never heard of meditation. Don't make up stuff, > Theo! it is the impression of confusion you give always with splitting hairs attitude anyway will know what to do in future > Rich > Theo wrote: > >>Rich wrote: >> >> >>>Boy, has this conversation taken off on a tangent! Let me try to clarify >>>once more, and thanks, Shadow. The phrase that I was unclearly referring >>>to is....."While you work on the client, forget everything else. Let go >>>of your thoughts and emotions, your concepts and opinions, and give the >>>client all you have." Sounds great to someone who either is a greatly >>>advanced meditator or someone who is denying that he always has >>>thoughts, opinions, concepts, emotions, etc. while doing Reiki. I deny >>>nothing. They are all there for me. Just me? I doubt it. >>>Cheers >>>Rich >> >> Hi can I suggest something ? >> try to get from the net some Za Zen meditation techniques in english >>Deishamaru's probably >> and do this for few weeks 10 20 minutes >> start 20 breatings in-ou until to make 100 fatera sometime >> after 3 months you'll see the effects >> >> sometimes it takes longer or quicker bt you will see them >> and that will be the real starting point >> >> " you always need to start with the first step to walk around the >>world " but if you say .. it is too long I cannot do that ....you will not ! >> >> Theo_694@hotmail.com MSN messanger / or ICQ 25 666 169 4 >> >> L'Umiltą č la Peggiore delle Presunzioni >> (la Rochefoucauld) >> >> «»«»«» Just for today...be happy «»«»«» -- Theo_694@hotmail.com MSN messanger / or ICQ 25 666 169 4 L'Umiltą č la Peggiore delle Presunzioni (la Rochefoucauld) «»«»«» Just for today...be happy «»«»«» ###### From: Theo Newsgroups: alt.healing.reiki Subject: Re: On Topic: The Inner Attitude Date: Wed, 07 Jul 2004 09:59:27 +0200 Organization: [Posted via] Inter.net Germany GmbH Lines: 75 Message-ID: References: <40E951FB.6F2B2A9E@shaw.ca> <40e98e7d.1583121@news.Individual.NET> <40E99428.D2C1159C@shaw.ca> <40E9F7B0.F051BCAF@shaw.ca> <40ea80f1.1932031@news.Individual.NET> <40EAC88C.A23ED26A@shaw.ca> Reply-To: byjoke@ch.inter.net Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Trace: news.eusc.inter.net 1089187198 24081 212.59.132.71 (7 Jul 2004 07:59:58 GMT) X-Complaints-To: abuse@eusc.inter.net User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows; U; Windows NT 5.1; en-US; rv:1.4) Gecko/20030624 Netscape/7.1 (ax) X-Accept-Language: en, fr, it In-Reply-To: <40EAC88C.A23ED26A@shaw.ca> Path: nightfall.franklin.ch!pfaff2.ethz.ch!news-zh.switch.ch!switch.ch!news.imp.ch!news.imp.ch!eusc.inter.net!news.eusc.inter.net!not-for-mail Xref: nightfall.franklin.ch alt.healing.reiki:17515 apparently I am not the only one to misundertsand you and Garry is of English mothertongue Rich wrote: > Garry Williams wrote: > >>On Tue, 06 Jul 2004 00:53:56 GMT, Rich wrote: >> >> >>>Boy, has this conversation taken off on a tangent! Let me try to clarify >>>once more, and thanks, Shadow. The phrase that I was unclearly referring >>>to is....."While you work on the client, forget everything else. Let go >>>of your thoughts and emotions, your concepts and opinions, and give the >>>client all you have." Sounds great to someone who either is a greatly >>>advanced meditator or someone who is denying that he always has >>>thoughts, opinions, concepts, emotions, etc. while doing Reiki. I deny >>>nothing. They are all there for me. Just me? I doubt it. >> >>One more time, Rich. You are making assumptions about the need to be >>"an advanced meditator", making it harder than it really is. > Nope, Garry, I am not making assumptions. I have spoken to many > people > who meditate, > and have read much meditative literature. I am not making it hard at > all. > I am participating the way I participate. Y'all have somehow got hooked > into something that are your own issues. > >>If you >>stopped reading or turned off the receptivity machine after reading >>the line you quote above, you can be forgiven for interpreting it the >>way you have. Read down to the line about being with the client as >>totally as *you can*. Not some ideal state, just the best you can do >> at the moment that you are doing it. That's all. > But that's exactly what I said I do! I do not and am not trying for > the > idealistic > technique! > >>Your mind will be >>where your attention is. If, as Wolf said, you want it to be on the >>tv, or conversation, or your laundry list of things to do, it can be, >>but when I'm working on someone, I prefer to *try* (no one is perfect) >>to keep my attention focused on the recipient out of respect for them >>if nothing else. And as I mentioned before, just listen, really >>listen, to what your hands are telling you about the person you are >>working on. Even if they seem to be saying nothing! All the rest, the >>stuff that you imagine requires years of success as an advanced >>meditator, will follow by itself. But without the need for years of >>success as an advanced meditator. As another line in the original >>article said, "Then the magic happens all by itself..." > Well, here we are, right back to where I started. Thanks for > re-affirming > exactly what I already practice! I really should have stayed at > home, rather than go for this ride! :) > cheers > Rich -- Theo_694@hotmail.com MSN messanger / or ICQ 25 666 169 4 L'Umiltą č la Peggiore delle Presunzioni (la Rochefoucauld) «»«»«» Just for today...be happy «»«»«» ###### From: "pr" Newsgroups: alt.healing.reiki References: <40E951FB.6F2B2A9E@shaw.ca> <40e98e7d.1583121@news.Individual.NET> <40E99428.D2C1159C@shaw.ca> <40E9F7B0.F051BCAF@shaw.ca> Subject: Re: On Topic: The Inner Attitude Date: Wed, 7 Jul 2004 12:02:16 +0200 Lines: 94 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2600.0000 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 NNTP-Posting-Host: nld-dial-196-7-27-202.mweb.co.za Message-ID: <40ebcd52.0@news1.mweb.co.za> X-Trace: 7 Jul 2004 12:15:46 +0200, nld-dial-196-7-27-202.mweb.co.za Path: nightfall.franklin.ch!pfaff2.ethz.ch!news-zh.switch.ch!irazu.switch.ch!switch.ch!enews.sgi.com!uunet.co.za!news1.mweb.co.za!nld-dial-196-7-27-202.mweb.co.za Xref: nightfall.franklin.ch alt.healing.reiki:17517 "Rich" wrote in message news:40E9F7B0.F051BCAF@shaw.ca... : Boy, has this conversation taken off on a tangent! Let me try to clarify : once more, and thanks, Shadow. The phrase that I was unclearly referring : to is....."While you work on the client, forget everything else. Let go : of your thoughts and emotions, your concepts and opinions, and give the : client all you have." Sounds great to someone who either is a greatly : advanced meditator or someone who is denying that he always has : thoughts, opinions, concepts, emotions, etc. while doing Reiki. I deny : nothing. They are all there for me. Just me? I doubt it. ~Rich, They are there for all of us, sometimes more sometimes less. As you write in a later post "I am participating the way I participate" and that is all we can do. Is there any discipline in this? IMO very much so. What then does it mean to "forget everything else"? : Cheers : Rich : : ShadowWolf wrote: : > : > Rich, : > : > There is absolutely no discipline required to perform Reiki on others other : > than to be sharing from a place of compassion/caring/love etc which ever : > adjective fits you personally. : > : > If one chooses to use a special meditation before/during a session it : > doesn't mean they are doing it better than you. : > One can close their eyes and think whatever they want to think. they can : > open their eyes and watch TV while doing Reiki and it still works : > effectively, they can talk with the client or be silent. : > They do not have to use Buddest/Japanese/Jewish/Romanian terms etc. : > : > Those other things can be used if one wishes to and for those who do use : > them I am sure it feels right to them but the energy doesn't care. : > : > Just be yourself, just care enough to reach out to others. : > -- : > ShadowWolf : > http://www.mysticreiki.com : > http://www.reiki.neth/Catholic? : > -- : > ShadowWolf : > http://www.mysticreiki.com : > http://www.reiki.net : > "Rich" wrote in message news:40E99428.D2C1159C@shaw.ca... : > > Okay, gosh darn it! Let me re-phrase...there is a discipline required in : > > getting to that phase and I am not committed to the journey. I never : > > said it wasn't a possibility. I also cannot play piano at Carnegie Hall, : > > because I have no intention of applying myself at that level. And I have : > > no special talent that I have discovered that would make my performance : > > so unique that I could by-pass the usual standards. I've tried playing : > > one-handed while holding a beer, and then I run out of ideas! : > > cheers : > > Rich : > > : > > Garry Williams wrote: : > > > : > > > On Mon, 05 Jul 2004 13:06:53 GMT, Rich wrote: : > > > : > > > >Hi Hils, : > > > >Wow, a lot of postings to get through, after being away for only a few : > > > >days. A quick comment here....I am not capable of 'performing' in the : > > > >stated fashion and may not be for a few more years, as even my : > > > >meditation efforts are still very rudimentary! As an aside in this : > > > >thread, the concept of 'idealism' may be introduced, and it would stir : > > > >up pertinent thoughts to the quote. : > > > : > > > Hmmmm. Rich, why limit yourself with that word, "can't"? EYE think you : > > > CAN! : > > > : > > > Love and Light, : > > > : > > > Garry : > > ###### From: "Hilary Starke" Newsgroups: alt.healing.reiki Subject: Re: On Topic: The Inner Attitude Date: Wed, 7 Jul 2004 10:54:20 +0000 (UTC) Organization: BT Openworld Lines: 119 Message-ID: References: <40E951FB.6F2B2A9E@shaw.ca> <40e98e7d.1583121@news.Individual.NET> <40E99428.D2C1159C@shaw.ca> <40E9F7B0.F051BCAF@shaw.ca> <40ebcd52.0@news1.mweb.co.za> NNTP-Posting-Host: host81-156-25-41.range81-156.btcentralplus.com X-Trace: sparta.btinternet.com 1089197660 11497 81.156.25.41 (7 Jul 2004 10:54:20 GMT) X-Complaints-To: news-complaints@lists.btinternet.com NNTP-Posting-Date: Wed, 7 Jul 2004 10:54:20 +0000 (UTC) X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1409 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Priority: 3 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1409 Path: nightfall.franklin.ch!pfaff2.ethz.ch!news-zh.switch.ch!switch.ch!news.ip-plus.net!newsfeed.ip-plus.net!news.tesion.net!news.belwue.de!newsfeed01.sul.t-online.de!newsfeed00.sul.t-online.de!t-online.de!newsfeed.freenet.de!216.196.110.149.MISMATCH!border2.nntp.ams.giganews.com!nntp.giganews.com!news-hub.cableinet.net!blueyonder!news-peer-test!news-peer0-test!btnet-feed5!btnet!news.btopenworld.com!not-for-mail Xref: nightfall.franklin.ch alt.healing.reiki:17519 This is a fascinating discussion ...... to "forget everything else" seems to me a key phrase here. Anybody got any bright ideas how one could achieve this aim? And, "forget everything else" implies that we remember something? The client? Thanks for this, you have got me thinking. Love and hugs Hils "pr" wrote in message news:40ebcd52.0@news1.mweb.co.za... > > "Rich" wrote in message news:40E9F7B0.F051BCAF@shaw.ca... > > : Boy, has this conversation taken off on a tangent! Let me try to clarify > : once more, and thanks, Shadow. The phrase that I was unclearly referring > : to is....."While you work on the client, forget everything else. Let go > : of your thoughts and emotions, your concepts and opinions, and give the > : client all you have." Sounds great to someone who either is a greatly > : advanced meditator or someone who is denying that he always has > : thoughts, opinions, concepts, emotions, etc. while doing Reiki. I deny > : nothing. They are all there for me. Just me? I doubt it. > > ~Rich, > They are there for all of us, sometimes more sometimes less. > As you write in a later post "I am participating the way I participate" > and that is all we can do. > Is there any discipline in this? IMO very much so. What then does > it mean to "forget everything else"? > > : Cheers > : Rich > : > : ShadowWolf wrote: > : > > : > Rich, > : > > : > There is absolutely no discipline required to perform Reiki on others > other > : > than to be sharing from a place of compassion/caring/love etc which ever > : > adjective fits you personally. > : > > : > If one chooses to use a special meditation before/during a session it > : > doesn't mean they are doing it better than you. > : > One can close their eyes and think whatever they want to think. they can > : > open their eyes and watch TV while doing Reiki and it still works > : > effectively, they can talk with the client or be silent. > : > They do not have to use Buddest/Japanese/Jewish/Romanian terms etc. > : > > : > Those other things can be used if one wishes to and for those who do > use > : > them I am sure it feels right to them but the energy doesn't care. > : > > : > Just be yourself, just care enough to reach out to others. > : > -- > : > ShadowWolf > : > http://www.mysticreiki.com > : > http://www.reiki.neth/Catholic? > : > -- > : > ShadowWolf > : > http://www.mysticreiki.com > : > http://www.reiki.net > : > "Rich" wrote in message > news:40E99428.D2C1159C@shaw.ca... > : > > Okay, gosh darn it! Let me re-phrase...there is a discipline required > in > : > > getting to that phase and I am not committed to the journey. I never > : > > said it wasn't a possibility. I also cannot play piano at Carnegie > Hall, > : > > because I have no intention of applying myself at that level. And I > have > : > > no special talent that I have discovered that would make my > performance > : > > so unique that I could by-pass the usual standards. I've tried playing > : > > one-handed while holding a beer, and then I run out of ideas! > : > > cheers > : > > Rich > : > > > : > > Garry Williams wrote: > : > > > > : > > > On Mon, 05 Jul 2004 13:06:53 GMT, Rich wrote: > : > > > > : > > > >Hi Hils, > : > > > >Wow, a lot of postings to get through, after being away for only a > few > : > > > >days. A quick comment here....I am not capable of 'performing' in > the > : > > > >stated fashion and may not be for a few more years, as even my > : > > > >meditation efforts are still very rudimentary! As an aside in this > : > > > >thread, the concept of 'idealism' may be introduced, and it would > stir > : > > > >up pertinent thoughts to the quote. > : > > > > : > > > Hmmmm. Rich, why limit yourself with that word, "can't"? EYE think > you > : > > > CAN! > : > > > > : > > > Love and Light, > : > > > > : > > > Garry > : > > > > > > ###### X-Trace-PostClient-IP: 68.144.1.130 Message-ID: <40EBF43D.5E498AA0@shaw.ca> From: Rich X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.79 [en]C-CCK-MCD telus.net_v5.0.1HS (Win98; U) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 Newsgroups: alt.healing.reiki Subject: Re: On Topic: The Inner Attitude References: <40E951FB.6F2B2A9E@shaw.ca> <40e98e7d.1583121@news.Individual.NET> <40E99428.D2C1159C@shaw.ca> <40E9F7B0.F051BCAF@shaw.ca> <40EAC37F.5FB81555@shaw.ca> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Lines: 72 Date: Wed, 07 Jul 2004 13:03:47 GMT NNTP-Posting-Host: 24.71.223.147 X-Complaints-To: abuse@shaw.ca X-Trace: pd7tw3no 1089205427 24.71.223.147 (Wed, 07 Jul 2004 07:03:47 MDT) NNTP-Posting-Date: Wed, 07 Jul 2004 07:03:47 MDT Organization: Shaw Residential Internet Path: nightfall.franklin.ch!pfaff2.ethz.ch!news-zh.switch.ch!irazu.switch.ch!switch.ch!news.belwue.de!feed.news.tiscali.de!newsfeed.icl.net!newsfeed.fjserv.net!newshosting.com!nx01.iad01.newshosting.com!38.144.126.100.MISMATCH!feed5.newsreader.com!newsreader.com!news3.optonline.net!pd7cy1no!shaw.ca!pd7tw3no.POSTED!53ab2750!not-for-mail Xref: nightfall.franklin.ch alt.healing.reiki:17525 Hi Theo, I would suggest that you and we all treat the various topics in AHR kind of like a smorgasborg....take some and leave some. Lots of choices. If I am confusing to you, leave it alone! Lots of other folks to chat with. What you may not like in the comments of others may be exactly what I need in order to get jolted off the same old familiar path I may be stuck on. One does not know from where enlightenment comes. I may not understand some of what you say today, Theo, and yet, it may find its proper place tomorrow if I just keep myself open. I am not the same tomorrow as I am today (hopefully). cheers Rich Theo wrote: > > Rich wrote: > > > Hi Theo, > > I have been 'doing meditation techniques' for a long time and have a > > sense of where I am with it. That is why I responded the way I did. You > > seem to imply I have never heard of meditation. Don't make up stuff, > > Theo! > > it is the impression of confusion you give always with splitting > hairs attitude > anyway will know what to do in future > > > Rich > > > > Theo wrote: > > > >>Rich wrote: > >> > >> > >>>Boy, has this conversation taken off on a tangent! Let me try to clarify > >>>once more, and thanks, Shadow. The phrase that I was unclearly referring > >>>to is....."While you work on the client, forget everything else. Let go > >>>of your thoughts and emotions, your concepts and opinions, and give the > >>>client all you have." Sounds great to someone who either is a greatly > >>>advanced meditator or someone who is denying that he always has > >>>thoughts, opinions, concepts, emotions, etc. while doing Reiki. I deny > >>>nothing. They are all there for me. Just me? I doubt it. > >>>Cheers > >>>Rich > >> > >> Hi can I suggest something ? > >> try to get from the net some Za Zen meditation techniques in english > >>Deishamaru's probably > >> and do this for few weeks 10 20 minutes > >> start 20 breatings in-ou until to make 100 fatera sometime > >> after 3 months you'll see the effects > >> > >> sometimes it takes longer or quicker bt you will see them > >> and that will be the real starting point > >> > >> " you always need to start with the first step to walk around the > >>world " but if you say .. it is too long I cannot do that ....you will not ! > >> > >> Theo_694@hotmail.com MSN messanger / or ICQ 25 666 169 4 > >> > >> L'Umiltą č la Peggiore delle Presunzioni > >> (la Rochefoucauld) > >> > >> «»«»«» Just for today...be happy «»«»«» > > -- > Theo_694@hotmail.com MSN messanger / or ICQ 25 666 169 4 > > L'Umiltą č la Peggiore delle Presunzioni > (la Rochefoucauld) > > «»«»«» Just for today...be happy «»«»«» ###### From: "pr" Newsgroups: alt.healing.reiki References: <40E951FB.6F2B2A9E@shaw.ca> <40e98e7d.1583121@news.Individual.NET> <40E99428.D2C1159C@shaw.ca> <40E9F7B0.F051BCAF@shaw.ca> <40EAC37F.5FB81555@shaw.ca> Subject: Re: On Topic: The Inner Attitude Date: Wed, 7 Jul 2004 15:50:38 +0200 Lines: 82 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2600.0000 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 NNTP-Posting-Host: nld-dial-196-7-200-133.mweb.co.za Message-ID: <40ebfff1.0@news1.mweb.co.za> X-Trace: 7 Jul 2004 15:51:45 +0200, nld-dial-196-7-200-133.mweb.co.za Path: nightfall.franklin.ch!pfaff2.ethz.ch!news-zh.switch.ch!switch.ch!solnet.ch!solnet.ch!news.glorb.com!tdsnet-transit!newspeer.tds.net!enews.sgi.com!uunet.co.za!news1.mweb.co.za!nld-dial-196-7-200-133.mweb.co.za Xref: nightfall.franklin.ch alt.healing.reiki:17527 "Theo" wrote in message news:ccgaes$ngh$2@news.eusc.inter.net... : : Rich wrote: : : > Hi Theo, : > I have been 'doing meditation techniques' for a long time and have a : > sense of where I am with it. That is why I responded the way I did. You : > seem to imply I have never heard of meditation. Don't make up stuff, : > Theo! : : it is the impression of confusion you give always with splitting : hairs attitude Huh? That looks almost like the stuff Theo usually reserves for me. Does he just cut and paste nowadays? LOL. Now that you get it too I feel *much* better :) Rich, we have to mend our ways! -- Namu Amida Butsu Peter Reber "Life knows its needs" : > Rich : > : > Theo wrote: : > : >>Rich wrote: : >> : >> : >>>Boy, has this conversation taken off on a tangent! Let me try to clarify : >>>once more, and thanks, Shadow. The phrase that I was unclearly referring : >>>to is....."While you work on the client, forget everything else. Let go : >>>of your thoughts and emotions, your concepts and opinions, and give the : >>>client all you have." Sounds great to someone who either is a greatly : >>>advanced meditator or someone who is denying that he always has : >>>thoughts, opinions, concepts, emotions, etc. while doing Reiki. I deny : >>>nothing. They are all there for me. Just me? I doubt it. : >>>Cheers : >>>Rich : >> : >> Hi can I suggest something ? : >> try to get from the net some Za Zen meditation techniques in english : >>Deishamaru's probably : >> and do this for few weeks 10 20 minutes : >> start 20 breatings in-ou until to make 100 fatera sometime : >> after 3 months you'll see the effects : >> : >> sometimes it takes longer or quicker bt you will see them : >> and that will be the real starting point : >> : >> " you always need to start with the first step to walk around the : >>world " but if you say .. it is too long I cannot do that ....you will not ! : >> : >> Theo_694@hotmail.com MSN messanger / or ICQ 25 666 169 4 : >> : >> L'Umiltą č la Peggiore delle Presunzioni : >> (la Rochefoucauld) : >> : >> «»«»«» Just for today...be happy «»«»«» : : -- : Theo_694@hotmail.com MSN messanger / or ICQ 25 666 169 4 : : L'Umiltą č la Peggiore delle Presunzioni : (la Rochefoucauld) : : «»«»«» Just for today...be happy «»«»«» : ###### From: montane Newsgroups: alt.healing.reiki Subject: Re: On Topic: The Inner Attitude Date: Wed, 07 Jul 2004 11:01:29 -0700 Organization: http://extra.newsguy.com Lines: 44 Message-ID: References: <4o9me0poagmavmer2ek85fjp22b0o1s2el@4ax.com> <40EB4F7D.9426C983@imbris.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: p-973.newsdawg.com Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Newsreader: Forte Free Agent 1.93/32.576 English (American) Path: nightfall.franklin.ch!pfaff2.ethz.ch!news-zh.switch.ch!irazu.switch.ch!switch.ch!newsfeed00.sul.t-online.de!t-online.de!news.glorb.com!pln-e!spln!dex!extra.newsguy.com!newsp.newsguy.com!enews3 Xref: nightfall.franklin.ch alt.healing.reiki:17532 On Tue, 06 Jul 2004 21:18:53 -0400, suzeeq wrote: >montane wrote: >> >> I'm not sure that I quite accept that Reiki energy is the same as >> every other form of UE (to use Alex's term), but it seems >> probable that all of us attuned to Reiki have been attuned to the >> same energy band (to use that expression, which in itself may >> only be a metaphor when we are refering to something spiritual). >> >> Once attuned, it's a matter of technique and self-development, I >> believe. Our opinions may be varied (and this is the source of >> much independence), but we share a commonality. > >Your `attuned to the same energy band' thought has some merit to it. >That we perceive that energy band differently is where we differ, and >likely has something to do with. Some have more sensitive ones than others do. Usually, though, >working with it heightens everyone's sensitivity to some degree. > >sue Good point, Sue. I was actually thinking of it slightly differently -- more in terms of the natural interpretations given to "the Reiki experience" by different persons after their attunements and their practice. Sort of like half a dozen different people hearing the same radio frequency transmission. Let's say each of them are hearing the same irresistible music. But one person enjoys tapping his/her toes or fingers occasionally to the music while reading a book, another is moved to get up and dance, another finds it great accompaniment to preparing a meal in the kitchen, while a third finds it great to do carpentry by, etc. Different people with different backgrounds, habits, involvements -- styles, you could say. So how they might describe their experience might differ. Still, I guess you are right that we have differing the abilities of our `tuners' to tune into it. And that's why I mentioned Hiroshi Doi's approach to development, in my earlier post. Namaste, montane ###### From: suzeeq Newsgroups: alt.healing.reiki Subject: Re: On Topic: The Inner Attitude Date: Wed, 07 Jul 2004 14:38:10 -0400 Organization: Michigan State University Lines: 51 Message-ID: <40EC4312.B82305D9@imbris.com> References: <4o9me0poagmavmer2ek85fjp22b0o1s2el@4ax.com> <40EB4F7D.9426C983@imbris.com> Reply-To: qiuser@yahoo.com NNTP-Posting-Host: modem65165.acdtech.com Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-AUTHid: fordkenn X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.78 [en] (Win98; U) X-Accept-Language: en Path: nightfall.franklin.ch!pfaff2.ethz.ch!news-zh.switch.ch!switch.ch!solnet.ch!solnet.ch!news.glorb.com!hammer.uoregon.edu!logbridge.uoregon.edu!msunews!not-for-mail Xref: nightfall.franklin.ch alt.healing.reiki:17533 montane wrote: > > On Tue, 06 Jul 2004 21:18:53 -0400, suzeeq wrote: > > >montane wrote: > >> > > >> I'm not sure that I quite accept that Reiki energy is the same as > >> every other form of UE (to use Alex's term), but it seems > >> probable that all of us attuned to Reiki have been attuned to the > >> same energy band (to use that expression, which in itself may > >> only be a metaphor when we are refering to something spiritual). > >> > >> Once attuned, it's a matter of technique and self-development, I > >> believe. Our opinions may be varied (and this is the source of > >> much independence), but we share a commonality. > > > >Your `attuned to the same energy band' thought has some merit to it. > >That we perceive that energy band differently is where we differ, and > >likely has something to do with. Some have more sensitive ones than others do. Usually, though, > >working with it heightens everyone's sensitivity to some degree. > > > >sue > > Good point, Sue. I'm glad you made sense of what I wrote. I think I left out a couple words in there... > I was actually thinking of it slightly differently -- more in terms of > the natural interpretations given to "the Reiki experience" by > different persons after their attunements and their practice. Sort of > like half a dozen different people hearing the same radio frequency > transmission. Let's say each of them are hearing the same > irresistible music. But one person enjoys tapping his/her toes or > fingers occasionally to the music while reading a book, another is > moved to get up and dance, another finds it great accompaniment to > preparing a meal in the kitchen, while a third finds it great to do > carpentry by, etc. Different people with different backgrounds, > habits, involvements -- styles, you could say. So how they might > describe their experience might differ. OK, I see that too. > Still, I guess you are right that we have differing the abilities of > our `tuners' to tune into it. And that's why I mentioned Hiroshi > Doi's approach to development, in my earlier post. It's hard trying to explain an `intagible' thing, innit? sue ###### Message-ID: <40EC4906.E48397BB@mn.rr.com> From: Alex Barna Organization: WorldWide_Spam_killers X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.75 [en] (Windows NT 5.0; U) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 Newsgroups: alt.healing.reiki Subject: Re: On Topic: The Inner Attitude References: <40E951FB.6F2B2A9E@shaw.ca> <40e98e7d.1583121@news.Individual.NET> <40E99428.D2C1159C@shaw.ca> <40E9F7B0.F051BCAF@shaw.ca> <40ebcd52.0@news1.mweb.co.za> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Lines: 42 Date: Wed, 07 Jul 2004 14:03:34 -0500 NNTP-Posting-Host: 65.30.225.94 X-Complaints-To: abuse@rr.com X-Trace: twister.rdc-kc.rr.com 1089226947 65.30.225.94 (Wed, 07 Jul 2004 14:02:27 CDT) NNTP-Posting-Date: Wed, 07 Jul 2004 14:02:27 CDT Path: nightfall.franklin.ch!pfaff2.ethz.ch!news-zh.switch.ch!irazu.switch.ch!switch.ch!newsfeed00.sul.t-online.de!t-online.de!newshub.sdsu.edu!elnk-nf2-pas!elnk-pas-nf1!newsfeed.earthlink.net!cyclone.socal.rr.com!cyclone2.kc.rr.com!news2.kc.rr.com!twister.rdc-kc.rr.com.POSTED!53ab2750!not-for-mail Xref: nightfall.franklin.ch alt.healing.reiki:17534 Hi Hils, Hilary Starke wrote: > > This is a fascinating discussion ...... to "forget everything else" > seems to me a key phrase here. Anybody got any bright ideas how one > could achieve this aim? Seeing & feeling UE the way I do I know that healing activation can be achived without any concious thought, So I would say that the 'key phrase' to my way of being Reiki would be, "Touch him with the same love and tenderness you would give a newborn baby.". Being in that place in your mind should activate the UE to a pure & loving state. > And, "forget everything else" implies that we remember something? > The client? Yes, the client & that you don't do the healing. You are there to activate the UE to help the clients body achive healing. > Thanks for this, you have got me thinking. > > Love and hugs > > Hils GramPaHugs, Alex, :) -- Any information is included for informational or entertainment purposes only, is based on my personal experiences & is an expression of my opinion. **************************************************** * Love radiating from 45.10n x 93.30w M/SP Mn * AOL Click * AOL Click **************************************************** ###### From: montane Newsgroups: alt.healing.reiki Subject: Re: On Topic: The Inner Attitude Date: Wed, 07 Jul 2004 12:26:49 -0700 Organization: http://extra.newsguy.com Lines: 10 Message-ID: References: <4o9me0poagmavmer2ek85fjp22b0o1s2el@4ax.com> <40EB4F7D.9426C983@imbris.com> <40EC4312.B82305D9@imbris.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: p-350.newsdawg.com Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Newsreader: Forte Free Agent 1.93/32.576 English (American) Path: nightfall.franklin.ch!pfaff2.ethz.ch!news-zh.switch.ch!switch.ch!news.imp.ch!news.imp.ch!nntp-out.monmouth.com!newspeer.monmouth.com!logbridge.uoregon.edu!pln-w!spln!dex!extra.newsguy.com!newsp.newsguy.com!enews2 Xref: nightfall.franklin.ch alt.healing.reiki:17536 On Wed, 07 Jul 2004 14:38:10 -0400, suzeeq wrote: > >It's hard trying to explain an `intagible' thing, innit? > >sue Yeah. That's why people say things like "y'know what I mean?" montane ###### From: suzeeq Newsgroups: alt.healing.reiki Subject: Re: On Topic: The Inner Attitude Date: Wed, 07 Jul 2004 16:01:03 -0400 Lines: 14 Message-ID: <40EC567F.F5417B68@imbris.com> References: <4o9me0poagmavmer2ek85fjp22b0o1s2el@4ax.com> <40EB4F7D.9426C983@imbris.com> <40EC4312.B82305D9@imbris.com> Reply-To: qiuser@yahoo.com Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Trace: news.uni-berlin.de Rr1Goa12NWbPkWQejOb/iwcbHp1kV8YRr6coyMj77TJ0yUwLw7 X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.78 [en] (Win98; U) X-Accept-Language: en Path: nightfall.franklin.ch!pfaff2.ethz.ch!news-zh.switch.ch!switch.ch!solnet.ch!solnet.ch!fu-berlin.de!uni-berlin.de!not-for-mail Xref: nightfall.franklin.ch alt.healing.reiki:17537 montane wrote: > > On Wed, 07 Jul 2004 14:38:10 -0400, suzeeq wrote: > > > > >It's hard trying to explain an `intagible' thing, innit? > > > >sue > > Yeah. That's why people say things like "y'know what I mean?" Yeah. sue ###### From: "pr" Newsgroups: alt.healing.reiki References: <40E951FB.6F2B2A9E@shaw.ca> <40e98e7d.1583121@news.Individual.NET> <40E99428.D2C1159C@shaw.ca> <40E9F7B0.F051BCAF@shaw.ca> <40ebcd52.0@news1.mweb.co.za> Subject: Re: On Topic: The Inner Attitude Date: Thu, 8 Jul 2004 00:38:41 +0200 Lines: 153 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2600.0000 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 NNTP-Posting-Host: nld-dial-196-7-202-66.mweb.co.za Message-ID: <40ec7d5f.0@news1.mweb.co.za> X-Trace: 8 Jul 2004 00:46:55 +0200, nld-dial-196-7-202-66.mweb.co.za Path: nightfall.franklin.ch!pfaff2.ethz.ch!news-zh.switch.ch!switch.ch!news.imp.ch!news.imp.ch!solnet.ch!solnet.ch!newsfeed.freenet.de!feed.news.tiscali.de!enews.sgi.com!uunet.co.za!news1.mweb.co.za!nld-dial-196-7-202-66.mweb.co.za Xref: nightfall.franklin.ch alt.healing.reiki:17541 "Hilary Starke" wrote in message news:ccgkor$b79$1@sparta.btinternet.com... : This is a fascinating discussion ...... to "forget everything else" seems to : me a key phrase here. Anybody got any bright ideas how one could achieve : this aim? : : And, "forget everything else" implies that we remember something? The : client? Maybe. Let's see what we can dig up over the next few days. What if we reduce it to "forget everything"? Including the client? Or shorten it to just "forget"? But forget what? And what if you forget to forget, and end up with a stream of "your thoughts and emotions, your concepts and opinions"? But this is where we started. Are we wasting our time or are we missing something? What seems to arise from this "forgetting" is also whether this requires discipline or not. ShadowWolf says no. But what kind of worthwhile thing can be achieved without discipline .... and dedication ... and persistence? Is reiki enough other-worldly to fall outside of it? Maybe. OTOH, is that all that needs to be considered in healing? -- Namu Amida Butsu Peter Reber "Life knows its needs" : "pr" wrote in message : news:40ebcd52.0@news1.mweb.co.za... : > : > "Rich" wrote in message : news:40E9F7B0.F051BCAF@shaw.ca... : > : > : Boy, has this conversation taken off on a tangent! Let me try to clarify : > : once more, and thanks, Shadow. The phrase that I was unclearly referring : > : to is....."While you work on the client, forget everything else. Let go : > : of your thoughts and emotions, your concepts and opinions, and give the : > : client all you have." Sounds great to someone who either is a greatly : > : advanced meditator or someone who is denying that he always has : > : thoughts, opinions, concepts, emotions, etc. while doing Reiki. I deny : > : nothing. They are all there for me. Just me? I doubt it. : > : > ~Rich, : > They are there for all of us, sometimes more sometimes less. : > As you write in a later post "I am participating the way I participate" : > and that is all we can do. : > Is there any discipline in this? IMO very much so. What then does : > it mean to "forget everything else"? : > : > : Cheers : > : Rich : > : : > : ShadowWolf wrote: : > : > : > : > Rich, : > : > : > : > There is absolutely no discipline required to perform Reiki on others : > other : > : > than to be sharing from a place of compassion/caring/love etc which : ever : > : > adjective fits you personally. : > : > : > : > If one chooses to use a special meditation before/during a session it : > : > doesn't mean they are doing it better than you. : > : > One can close their eyes and think whatever they want to think. they : can : > : > open their eyes and watch TV while doing Reiki and it still works : > : > effectively, they can talk with the client or be silent. : > : > They do not have to use Buddest/Japanese/Jewish/Romanian terms etc. : > : > : > : > Those other things can be used if one wishes to and for those who do : > use : > : > them I am sure it feels right to them but the energy doesn't care. : > : > : > : > Just be yourself, just care enough to reach out to others. : > : > -- : > : > ShadowWolf : > : > http://www.mysticreiki.com : > : > http://www.reiki.neth/Catholic? : > : > -- : > : > ShadowWolf : > : > http://www.mysticreiki.com : > : > http://www.reiki.net : > : > "Rich" wrote in message : > news:40E99428.D2C1159C@shaw.ca... : > : > > Okay, gosh darn it! Let me re-phrase...there is a discipline : required : > in : > : > > getting to that phase and I am not committed to the journey. I never : > : > > said it wasn't a possibility. I also cannot play piano at Carnegie : > Hall, : > : > > because I have no intention of applying myself at that level. And I : > have : > : > > no special talent that I have discovered that would make my : > performance : > : > > so unique that I could by-pass the usual standards. I've tried : playing : > : > > one-handed while holding a beer, and then I run out of ideas! : > : > > cheers : > : > > Rich : > : > > : > : > > Garry Williams wrote: : > : > > > : > : > > > On Mon, 05 Jul 2004 13:06:53 GMT, Rich wrote: : > : > > > : > : > > > >Hi Hils, : > : > > > >Wow, a lot of postings to get through, after being away for only : a : > few : > : > > > >days. A quick comment here....I am not capable of 'performing' in : > the : > : > > > >stated fashion and may not be for a few more years, as even my : > : > > > >meditation efforts are still very rudimentary! As an aside in : this : > : > > > >thread, the concept of 'idealism' may be introduced, and it would : > stir : > : > > > >up pertinent thoughts to the quote. : > : > > > : > : > > > Hmmmm. Rich, why limit yourself with that word, "can't"? EYE think : > you : > : > > > CAN! : > : > > > : > : > > > Love and Light, : > : > > > : > : > > > Garry : > : > > : > : > : > : > : : ###### From: "pr" Newsgroups: alt.healing.reiki References: <4o9me0poagmavmer2ek85fjp22b0o1s2el@4ax.com> <40EB4F7D.9426C983@imbris.com> <40EC4312.B82305D9@imbris.com> Subject: Re: On Topic: The Inner Attitude Date: Thu, 8 Jul 2004 01:05:24 +0200 Lines: 25 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2600.0000 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 NNTP-Posting-Host: nld-dial-196-7-201-230.mweb.co.za Message-ID: <40ecdf71.0@news1.mweb.co.za> X-Trace: 8 Jul 2004 07:45:21 +0200, nld-dial-196-7-201-230.mweb.co.za Path: nightfall.franklin.ch!pfaff2.ethz.ch!news-zh.switch.ch!switch.ch!news.imp.ch!news.imp.ch!209.11.36.156.MISMATCH!nntp-server.pubsub.com!news.glorb.com!hammer.uoregon.edu!enews.sgi.com!uunet.co.za!news1.mweb.co.za!nld-dial-196-7-201-230.mweb.co.za Xref: nightfall.franklin.ch alt.healing.reiki:17551 "montane" wrote in message news:ihjoe0lntgru2m65fbdph80ma625binpf1@4ax.com... : On Wed, 07 Jul 2004 14:38:10 -0400, suzeeq wrote: : : > : >It's hard trying to explain an `intagible' thing, innit? : > : >sue : : Yeah. That's why people say things like "y'know what I mean?" But since we all make up our own story about this intangible thing, this looks like a highly problematic way to communicate, meaning that even if we feel that our way of describing the experience is inadequate we need to try and do it anyway. -- Namu Amida Butsu Peter Reber "Life knows its needs" ###### From: gdwill@earthlink.net (Garry Williams) Newsgroups: alt.healing.reiki Subject: Re: On Topic: The Inner Attitude Date: Wed, 07 Jul 2004 23:16:42 GMT Lines: 13 Message-ID: <40ec8404.1234429@news.Individual.NET> References: <40E951FB.6F2B2A9E@shaw.ca> <40e98e7d.1583121@news.Individual.NET> <40E99428.D2C1159C@shaw.ca> <40E9F7B0.F051BCAF@shaw.ca> <40EAC37F.5FB81555@shaw.ca> <40EBF43D.5E498AA0@shaw.ca> Reply-To: gdwill@earthlink.net X-Trace: news.uni-berlin.de ZSODuCiqSoxUQd55kzvLwQar9JS0KVBfP30QiE/CNjqT+Smevr X-Newsreader: Forte Free Agent 1.11/32.235 Path: nightfall.franklin.ch!pfaff2.ethz.ch!news-zh.switch.ch!switch.ch!solnet.ch!solnet.ch!fu-berlin.de!uni-berlin.de!not-for-mail Xref: nightfall.franklin.ch alt.healing.reiki:17543 On Wed, 07 Jul 2004 13:03:47 GMT, Rich wrote: >I am not the same tomorrow as I am today (hopefully). Like most things in this world, this statement is both true and false for all of us. :-) Love and Light, Garry ###### Message-ID: <40EC85CA.C962B654@mn.rr.com> From: Alex Barna X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.75 [en] (Windows NT 5.0; U) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 Newsgroups: alt.healing.reiki Subject: Re: On Topic: The Inner Attitude References: <4o9me0poagmavmer2ek85fjp22b0o1s2el@4ax.com> <40EB4F7D.9426C983@imbris.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Lines: 78 Date: Wed, 07 Jul 2004 23:16:53 GMT NNTP-Posting-Host: 65.30.225.94 X-Complaints-To: abuse@rr.com X-Trace: twister.rdc-kc.rr.com 1089242213 65.30.225.94 (Wed, 07 Jul 2004 18:16:53 CDT) NNTP-Posting-Date: Wed, 07 Jul 2004 18:16:53 CDT Organization: RoadRunner Path: nightfall.franklin.ch!pfaff2.ethz.ch!news-zh.switch.ch!switch.ch!solnet.ch!solnet.ch!newsfeed.freenet.de!feed.news.tiscali.de!tiscali!newsfeed1.ip.tiscali.net!proxad.net!news.cs.univ-paris8.fr!border1.nntp.dca.giganews.com!border2.nntp.dca.giganews.com!nntp.giganews.com!wns13feed!worldnet.att.net!207.217.77.102!elnk-nf2-pas!elnk-pas-nf1!newsfeed.earthlink.net!cyclone.socal.rr.com!cyclone2.kc.rr.com!news2.kc.rr.com!twister.rdc-kc.rr.com.POSTED!53ab2750!not-for-mail Xref: nightfall.franklin.ch alt.healing.reiki:17546 Hi Joel & Sue, montane wrote: > > On Tue, 06 Jul 2004 21:18:53 -0400, suzeeq wrote: > > >montane wrote: > >> > > >> I'm not sure that I quite accept that Reiki energy is the same as > >> every other form of UE (to use Alex's term), That isn't quite what I thought I said when I tried to explain my perception. What I thought I said was that Reiki energy is a part of the infinite UE field. It might be easier to think of UE as the entire spectrum & Reiki energy as tuning in one part of that band. It's more like Sue's example below. > but it seems > >> probable that all of us attuned to Reiki have been attuned to the > >> same energy band (to use that expression, which in itself may > >> only be a metaphor when we are refering to something spiritual). > >> > >> Once attuned, it's a matter of technique and self-development, I > >> believe. Our opinions may be varied (and this is the source of > >> much independence), but we share a commonality. > > > >Your `attuned to the same energy band' thought has some merit to it. > >That we perceive that energy band differently is where we differ, and > >likely has something to do with. Some have more sensitive ones than > >others do. Usually, though, working with it heightens everyone's > >sensitivity to some degree. > >sue > > Good point, Sue. > > I was actually thinking of it slightly differently -- more in terms of > the natural interpretations given to "the Reiki experience" by > different persons after their attunements and their practice. Sort of > like half a dozen different people hearing the same radio frequency > transmission. Let's say each of them are hearing the same > irresistible music. But one person enjoys tapping his/her toes or > fingers occasionally to the music while reading a book, another is > moved to get up and dance, another finds it great accompaniment to > preparing a meal in the kitchen, while a third finds it great to do > carpentry by, etc. Different people with different backgrounds, > habits, involvements -- styles, you could say. So how they might > describe their experience might differ. > > Still, I guess you are right that we have differing the abilities of > our `tuners' to tune into it. And that's why I mentioned Hiroshi > Doi's approach to development, in my earlier post. > > > >It's hard trying to explain an `intagible' thing, innit? > > > >sue > > Yeah. That's why people say things like "y'know what I mean?" Sorta like that, y'know what I mean? GramPaHugs, Alex, -- Any information is included for informational or entertainment purposes only, is based on my personal experiences & is an expression of my opinion. No endorsement is implied or intended. **************************************************** * Love radiating from 45.10n x 93.30w M/SP Mn * AOL Click * AOL Click * Don't worry about life, * you're not going to survive it anyway **************************************************** ###### From: gdwill@earthlink.net (Garry Williams) Newsgroups: alt.healing.reiki Subject: Re: On Topic: The Inner Attitude Date: Wed, 07 Jul 2004 23:21:01 GMT Lines: 22 Message-ID: <40ec84a5.1394984@news.Individual.NET> References: <40E951FB.6F2B2A9E@shaw.ca> <40e98e7d.1583121@news.Individual.NET> <40E99428.D2C1159C@shaw.ca> <40E9F7B0.F051BCAF@shaw.ca> <40ebcd52.0@news1.mweb.co.za> Reply-To: gdwill@earthlink.net X-Trace: news.uni-berlin.de I0RIoBUzAtbYmABIEWpA6g4ybPh8Mnyc7z9G3JFTXxEVj1g0A3 X-Newsreader: Forte Free Agent 1.11/32.235 Path: nightfall.franklin.ch!pfaff2.ethz.ch!news-zh.switch.ch!switch.ch!solnet.ch!solnet.ch!fu-berlin.de!uni-berlin.de!not-for-mail Xref: nightfall.franklin.ch alt.healing.reiki:17544 On Wed, 7 Jul 2004 10:54:20 +0000 (UTC), "Hilary Starke" wrote: >This is a fascinating discussion ...... to "forget everything else" seems to >me a key phrase here. Anybody got any bright ideas how one could achieve >this aim? > >And, "forget everything else" implies that we remember something? The >client? Yes and yes. You said it yourself, Hils, ie, "that we remember something". That something is Who We Are. You. I. The client. The One. >Thanks for this, you have got me thinking. And thinking well, if I may be so bold! Love and Light, Garry ###### X-Trace-PostClient-IP: 68.144.1.130 Message-ID: <40EC9AA0.CD7115A1@shaw.ca> From: Rich X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.79 [en]C-CCK-MCD telus.net_v5.0.1HS (Win98; U) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 Newsgroups: alt.healing.reiki Subject: Re: On Topic: The Inner Attitude References: <40E951FB.6F2B2A9E@shaw.ca> <40e98e7d.1583121@news.Individual.NET> <40E99428.D2C1159C@shaw.ca> <40E9F7B0.F051BCAF@shaw.ca> <40EAC37F.5FB81555@shaw.ca> <40EBF43D.5E498AA0@shaw.ca> <40ec8404.1234429@news.Individual.NET> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Lines: 21 Date: Thu, 08 Jul 2004 00:53:46 GMT NNTP-Posting-Host: 24.71.223.147 X-Complaints-To: abuse@shaw.ca X-Trace: pd7tw2no 1089248026 24.71.223.147 (Wed, 07 Jul 2004 18:53:46 MDT) NNTP-Posting-Date: Wed, 07 Jul 2004 18:53:46 MDT Organization: Shaw Residential Internet Path: nightfall.franklin.ch!pfaff2.ethz.ch!news-zh.switch.ch!irazu.switch.ch!switch.ch!newsfeed00.sul.t-online.de!t-online.de!border2.nntp.dca.giganews.com!border1.nntp.dca.giganews.com!nntp.giganews.com!pd7cy2so!shaw.ca!pd7tw2no.POSTED!53ab2750!not-for-mail Xref: nightfall.franklin.ch alt.healing.reiki:17547 "Like most things" ...I was speaking outside the realm of 'most'! My statement is true, therefore. Saying 'most' just gives you wiggle room! Cheers Rich Garry Williams wrote: > > On Wed, 07 Jul 2004 13:03:47 GMT, Rich wrote: > > > > >I am not the same tomorrow as I am today (hopefully). > > Like most things in this world, this statement is both true and false > for all of us. :-) > > Love and Light, > > Garry > ###### From: "pr" Newsgroups: alt.healing.reiki References: <40E951FB.6F2B2A9E@shaw.ca> <40e98e7d.1583121@news.Individual.NET> <40E99428.D2C1159C@shaw.ca> <40E9F7B0.F051BCAF@shaw.ca> <40ebcd52.0@news1.mweb.co.za> <40ec84a5.1394984@news.Individual.NET> Subject: Re: On Topic: The Inner Attitude Date: Thu, 8 Jul 2004 10:52:27 +0200 Lines: 27 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2600.0000 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 NNTP-Posting-Host: nld-dial-196-7-200-68.mweb.co.za Message-ID: <40ed0b8c.0@news1.mweb.co.za> X-Trace: 8 Jul 2004 10:53:32 +0200, nld-dial-196-7-200-68.mweb.co.za Path: nightfall.franklin.ch!pfaff2.ethz.ch!news-zh.switch.ch!switch.ch!solnet.ch!solnet.ch!62.58.50.20.MISMATCH!zonnet-feed!newsfeed.wirehub.nl!news.tele.dk!news.tele.dk!small.news.tele.dk!enews.sgi.com!uunet.co.za!news1.mweb.co.za!nld-dial-196-7-200-68.mweb.co.za Xref: nightfall.franklin.ch alt.healing.reiki:17552 "Garry Williams" wrote in message news:40ec84a5.1394984@news.Individual.NET... : On Wed, 7 Jul 2004 10:54:20 +0000 (UTC), "Hilary Starke" : wrote: : : >This is a fascinating discussion ...... to "forget everything else" seems to : >me a key phrase here. Anybody got any bright ideas how one could achieve : >this aim? : > : >And, "forget everything else" implies that we remember something? The : >client? : : Yes and yes. You said it yourself, Hils, ie, "that we remember : something". That something is Who We Are. You. I. The client. The One. You sound very convinced that this is the right answer. -- Namu Amida Butsu Peter Reber "Life knows its needs" ###### From: "pr" Newsgroups: alt.healing.reiki References: <40E951FB.6F2B2A9E@shaw.ca> <40e98e7d.1583121@news.Individual.NET> <40E99428.D2C1159C@shaw.ca> <40E9F7B0.F051BCAF@shaw.ca> <40EAC37F.5FB81555@shaw.ca> <40EBF43D.5E498AA0@shaw.ca> <40ec8404.1234429@news.Individual.NET> <40EC9AA0.CD7115A1@shaw.ca> Subject: Re: On Topic: The Inner Attitude Date: Thu, 8 Jul 2004 11:16:58 +0200 Lines: 34 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2600.0000 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 NNTP-Posting-Host: nld-dial-196-7-201-197.mweb.co.za Message-ID: <40ed38f2.0@news1.mweb.co.za> X-Trace: 8 Jul 2004 14:07:14 +0200, nld-dial-196-7-201-197.mweb.co.za Path: nightfall.franklin.ch!pfaff2.ethz.ch!news-zh.switch.ch!switch.ch!solnet.ch!solnet.ch!news.glorb.com!tdsnet-transit!newspeer.tds.net!enews.sgi.com!uunet.co.za!news1.mweb.co.za!nld-dial-196-7-201-197.mweb.co.za Xref: nightfall.franklin.ch alt.healing.reiki:17556 "Rich" wrote in message news:40EC9AA0.CD7115A1@shaw.ca... : "Like most things" ...I was speaking outside the realm of 'most'! : My statement is true, therefore. Saying 'most' just gives you wiggle : room! But the hopefully at the end dumps your statement into the realm of uncertainty. -- Namu Amida Butsu Peter Reber "Life knows its needs" : Cheers : Rich : : Garry Williams wrote: : > : > On Wed, 07 Jul 2004 13:03:47 GMT, Rich wrote: : > : > : > : > >I am not the same tomorrow as I am today (hopefully). : > : > Like most things in this world, this statement is both true and false : > for all of us. :-) : > : > Love and Light, : > : > Garry : > ###### From: gdwill@earthlink.net (Garry Williams) Newsgroups: alt.healing.reiki Subject: Re: On Topic: The Inner Attitude Date: Thu, 08 Jul 2004 11:09:12 GMT Lines: 26 Message-ID: <40ed2555.773565@news.Individual.NET> References: <40E951FB.6F2B2A9E@shaw.ca> <40e98e7d.1583121@news.Individual.NET> <40E99428.D2C1159C@shaw.ca> <40E9F7B0.F051BCAF@shaw.ca> <40EAC37F.5FB81555@shaw.ca> <40EBF43D.5E498AA0@shaw.ca> <40ec8404.1234429@news.Individual.NET> <40EC9AA0.CD7115A1@shaw.ca> Reply-To: gdwill@earthlink.net X-Trace: news.uni-berlin.de duolRNZcYx2eynmtkX5YMgGQXY3N2J7Y6SHzlDbVw1TdfIbsN6 X-Newsreader: Forte Free Agent 1.11/32.235 Path: nightfall.franklin.ch!pfaff2.ethz.ch!news-zh.switch.ch!switch.ch!solnet.ch!solnet.ch!fu-berlin.de!uni-berlin.de!not-for-mail Xref: nightfall.franklin.ch alt.healing.reiki:17554 On Thu, 08 Jul 2004 00:53:46 GMT, Rich wrote: >"Like most things" ...I was speaking outside the realm of 'most'! >My statement is true, therefore. Saying 'most' just gives you wiggle >room! Okay, you've backed me up against the wall; now I'll have to pull out the big guns! Whatever it is inside you that says to itself and knows beyond words "I am" is exactly the same day in and day out. The memories, thoughts and cellular makeup of the mind and body that we call "Rich" varies from moment to moment and is never exactly the same in any two given moments. Hence your statement is both true and false. QED (abbreviation for Latin words used by mathematicians and logicians meaning "Quite Easily Done" ) Am I a good wiggler, or what? ;-) Love and Light, Garry ###### From: gdwill@earthlink.net (Garry Williams) Newsgroups: alt.healing.reiki Subject: Re: On Topic: The Inner Attitude Date: Thu, 08 Jul 2004 11:11:44 GMT Lines: 30 Message-ID: <40ed2b76.2342750@news.Individual.NET> References: <40E951FB.6F2B2A9E@shaw.ca> <40e98e7d.1583121@news.Individual.NET> <40E99428.D2C1159C@shaw.ca> <40E9F7B0.F051BCAF@shaw.ca> <40ebcd52.0@news1.mweb.co.za> <40ec84a5.1394984@news.Individual.NET> <40ed0b8c.0@news1.mweb.co.za> Reply-To: gdwill@earthlink.net X-Trace: news.uni-berlin.de i+3cy/TRQQ8sf5MKACmTKwiRioVNg8IviqZspNAfNp+MA+gUYD X-Newsreader: Forte Free Agent 1.11/32.235 Path: nightfall.franklin.ch!pfaff2.ethz.ch!news-zh.switch.ch!irazu.switch.ch!switch.ch!tiscali!newsfeed1.ip.tiscali.net!216.196.110.149.MISMATCH!border2.nntp.ams.giganews.com!nntp.giganews.com!fu-berlin.de!uni-berlin.de!not-for-mail Xref: nightfall.franklin.ch alt.healing.reiki:17555 On Thu, 8 Jul 2004 10:52:27 +0200, "pr" wrote: > >"Garry Williams" wrote in message >news:40ec84a5.1394984@news.Individual.NET... >: On Wed, 7 Jul 2004 10:54:20 +0000 (UTC), "Hilary Starke" >: wrote: >: >: >This is a fascinating discussion ...... to "forget everything else" seems >to >: >me a key phrase here. Anybody got any bright ideas how one could achieve >: >this aim? >: > >: >And, "forget everything else" implies that we remember something? The >: >client? >: >: Yes and yes. You said it yourself, Hils, ie, "that we remember >: something". That something is Who We Are. You. I. The client. The One. > >You sound very convinced that this is the right answer. That's because I'm using double speak. :-) See my reply to Rich elsewhere in this thread to understand what I am on about. Love and Light, Garry ###### X-Trace-PostClient-IP: 68.144.0.126 Message-ID: <40ED5D13.92E9DA25@shaw.ca> From: Rich X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.79 [en]C-CCK-MCD telus.net_v5.0.1HS (Win98; U) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 Newsgroups: alt.healing.reiki Subject: Re: On Topic: The Inner Attitude References: <40E951FB.6F2B2A9E@shaw.ca> <40e98e7d.1583121@news.Individual.NET> <40E99428.D2C1159C@shaw.ca> <40E9F7B0.F051BCAF@shaw.ca> <40EAC37F.5FB81555@shaw.ca> <40EBF43D.5E498AA0@shaw.ca> <40ec8404.1234429@news.Individual.NET> <40EC9AA0.CD7115A1@shaw.ca> <40ed38f2.0@news1.mweb.co.za> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Lines: 38 Date: Thu, 08 Jul 2004 14:43:25 GMT NNTP-Posting-Host: 24.71.223.147 X-Complaints-To: abuse@shaw.ca X-Trace: pd7tw1no 1089297805 24.71.223.147 (Thu, 08 Jul 2004 08:43:25 MDT) NNTP-Posting-Date: Thu, 08 Jul 2004 08:43:25 MDT Organization: Shaw Residential Internet Path: nightfall.franklin.ch!pfaff2.ethz.ch!news-zh.switch.ch!switch.ch!solnet.ch!solnet.ch!news.moat.net!border1.nntp.sjc.giganews.com!nntp.giganews.com!sjc1.usenetserver.com!news.usenetserver.com!pd7cy2so!shaw.ca!pd7tw1no.POSTED!53ab2750!not-for-mail Xref: nightfall.franklin.ch alt.healing.reiki:17564 Hey, Peter, just because I make the assertion that my statement is true, doesn't mean I don't have that uncertainty! cheers Rich pr wrote: > > "Rich" wrote in message news:40EC9AA0.CD7115A1@shaw.ca... > : "Like most things" ...I was speaking outside the realm of 'most'! > : My statement is true, therefore. Saying 'most' just gives you wiggle > : room! > > But the hopefully at the end dumps your statement into the > realm of uncertainty. > > -- > Namu Amida Butsu > Peter Reber > "Life knows its needs" > > : Cheers > : Rich > : > : Garry Williams wrote: > : > > : > On Wed, 07 Jul 2004 13:03:47 GMT, Rich wrote: > : > > : > > : > > : > >I am not the same tomorrow as I am today (hopefully). > : > > : > Like most things in this world, this statement is both true and false > : > for all of us. :-) > : > > : > Love and Light, > : > > : > Garry > : > ###### X-Trace-PostClient-IP: 68.144.0.126 Message-ID: <40ED5F04.1564AD10@shaw.ca> From: Rich X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.79 [en]C-CCK-MCD telus.net_v5.0.1HS (Win98; U) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 Newsgroups: alt.healing.reiki Subject: Re: On Topic: The Inner Attitude References: <40E951FB.6F2B2A9E@shaw.ca> <40e98e7d.1583121@news.Individual.NET> <40E99428.D2C1159C@shaw.ca> <40E9F7B0.F051BCAF@shaw.ca> <40EAC37F.5FB81555@shaw.ca> <40EBF43D.5E498AA0@shaw.ca> <40ec8404.1234429@news.Individual.NET> <40EC9AA0.CD7115A1@shaw.ca> <40ed2555.773565@news.Individual.NET> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Lines: 36 Date: Thu, 08 Jul 2004 14:51:41 GMT NNTP-Posting-Host: 24.71.223.147 X-Complaints-To: abuse@shaw.ca X-Trace: pd7tw3no 1089298301 24.71.223.147 (Thu, 08 Jul 2004 08:51:41 MDT) NNTP-Posting-Date: Thu, 08 Jul 2004 08:51:41 MDT Organization: Shaw Residential Internet Path: nightfall.franklin.ch!pfaff2.ethz.ch!news-zh.switch.ch!irazu.switch.ch!switch.ch!news.maxwell.syr.edu!border1.nntp.dca.giganews.com!nntp.giganews.com!pd7cy2so!pd7cy1no!shaw.ca!pd7tw3no.POSTED!53ab2750!not-for-mail Xref: nightfall.franklin.ch alt.healing.reiki:17566 Makes my head hurt to get too deep into this conversation, and I wonder if "I am" is not the same daily but is a function of a declaration "I am" so it changes as the declaration is made. "In the beginning was the Word" so in my constant 'beginning' my word/declaration is my "I am". Ouch! Cheers Rich Garry Williams wrote: > > On Thu, 08 Jul 2004 00:53:46 GMT, Rich wrote: > > >"Like most things" ...I was speaking outside the realm of 'most'! > >My statement is true, therefore. Saying 'most' just gives you wiggle > >room! > > Okay, you've backed me up against the wall; now I'll have to pull > out the big guns! > > Whatever it is inside you that says to itself and knows beyond words > "I am" is exactly the same day in and day out. The memories, thoughts > and cellular makeup of the mind and body that we call "Rich" varies > from moment to moment and is never exactly the same in any two given > moments. > > Hence your statement is both true and false. > > QED (abbreviation for Latin words used by mathematicians and logicians > meaning "Quite Easily Done" ) > > Am I a good wiggler, or what? ;-) > > Love and Light, > > Garry ###### From: "pr" Newsgroups: alt.healing.reiki References: <40E951FB.6F2B2A9E@shaw.ca> <40e98e7d.1583121@news.Individual.NET> <40E99428.D2C1159C@shaw.ca> <40E9F7B0.F051BCAF@shaw.ca> <40EAC37F.5FB81555@shaw.ca> <40EBF43D.5E498AA0@shaw.ca> <40ec8404.1234429@news.Individual.NET> <40EC9AA0.CD7115A1@shaw.ca> <40ed2555.773565@news.Individual.NET> Subject: Re: On Topic: The Inner Attitude Date: Thu, 8 Jul 2004 19:20:07 +0200 Lines: 35 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2600.0000 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 NNTP-Posting-Host: nld-dial-196-7-202-123.mweb.co.za Message-ID: <40ed8284.0@news1.mweb.co.za> X-Trace: 8 Jul 2004 19:21:08 +0200, nld-dial-196-7-202-123.mweb.co.za Path: nightfall.franklin.ch!pfaff2.ethz.ch!news-zh.switch.ch!switch.ch!solnet.ch!solnet.ch!news2.euro.net!fr.ip.ndsoftware.net!proxad.net!enews.sgi.com!uunet.co.za!news1.mweb.co.za!nld-dial-196-7-202-123.mweb.co.za Xref: nightfall.franklin.ch alt.healing.reiki:17568 "Garry Williams" wrote in message news:40ed2555.773565@news.Individual.NET... : On Thu, 08 Jul 2004 00:53:46 GMT, Rich wrote: : : >"Like most things" ...I was speaking outside the realm of 'most'! : >My statement is true, therefore. Saying 'most' just gives you wiggle : >room! : : Okay, you've backed me up against the wall; now I'll have to pull : out the big guns! : Whatever it is inside you that says to itself and knows beyond words : "I am" is exactly the same day in and day out. But this whatever has no individuality and is therefore not in any way recognizable as Rich. :The memories, thoughts : and cellular makeup of the mind and body that we call "Rich" varies : from moment to moment and is never exactly the same in any two given : moments. This is Rich as we know him. But this changes continually until it disappears altogether. -- Namu Amida Butsu Peter Reber "Life knows its needs" ###### X-Trace-PostClient-IP: 68.144.0.126 Message-ID: <40ED91EA.C6DA2DAA@shaw.ca> From: Rich X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.79 [en]C-CCK-MCD telus.net_v5.0.1HS (Win98; U) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 Newsgroups: alt.healing.reiki Subject: Re: On Topic: The Inner Attitude References: <40E951FB.6F2B2A9E@shaw.ca> <40e98e7d.1583121@news.Individual.NET> <40E99428.D2C1159C@shaw.ca> <40E9F7B0.F051BCAF@shaw.ca> <40EAC37F.5FB81555@shaw.ca> <40EBF43D.5E498AA0@shaw.ca> <40ec8404.1234429@news.Individual.NET> <40EC9AA0.CD7115A1@shaw.ca> <40ed2555.773565@news.Individual.NET> <40ed8284.0@news1.mweb.co.za> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Lines: 11 Date: Thu, 08 Jul 2004 18:28:52 GMT NNTP-Posting-Host: 24.71.223.147 X-Complaints-To: abuse@shaw.ca X-Trace: pd7tw3no 1089311332 24.71.223.147 (Thu, 08 Jul 2004 12:28:52 MDT) NNTP-Posting-Date: Thu, 08 Jul 2004 12:28:52 MDT Organization: Shaw Residential Internet Path: nightfall.franklin.ch!pfaff2.ethz.ch!news-zh.switch.ch!irazu.switch.ch!switch.ch!newsfeed00.sul.t-online.de!t-online.de!border2.nntp.dca.giganews.com!border1.nntp.dca.giganews.com!nntp.giganews.com!pd7cy2so!pd7cy1no!shaw.ca!pd7tw3no.POSTED!53ab2750!not-for-mail Xref: nightfall.franklin.ch alt.healing.reiki:17570 pr wrote: > > This is Rich as we know him. But this changes continually > until it disappears altogether. > Disappears altogether? Aaaaahhhhhh!! ###### From: "pr" Newsgroups: alt.healing.reiki References: <40E951FB.6F2B2A9E@shaw.ca> <40e98e7d.1583121@news.Individual.NET> <40E99428.D2C1159C@shaw.ca> <40E9F7B0.F051BCAF@shaw.ca> <40ebcd52.0@news1.mweb.co.za> <40ec84a5.1394984@news.Individual.NET> <40ed0b8c.0@news1.mweb.co.za> <40ed2b76.2342750@news.Individual.NET> Subject: Re: On Topic: The Inner Attitude Date: Fri, 9 Jul 2004 06:18:35 +0200 Lines: 24 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2600.0000 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 NNTP-Posting-Host: nld-dial-196-7-202-156.mweb.co.za Message-ID: <40ee1e04.0@news1.mweb.co.za> X-Trace: 9 Jul 2004 06:24:36 +0200, nld-dial-196-7-202-156.mweb.co.za Path: nightfall.franklin.ch!pfaff2.ethz.ch!news-zh.switch.ch!switch.ch!solnet.ch!solnet.ch!surfnet.nl!teleglobe.net!uunet.co.za!news1.mweb.co.za!nld-dial-196-7-202-156.mweb.co.za Xref: nightfall.franklin.ch alt.healing.reiki:17582 "Garry Williams" wrote in message news:40ed2b76.2342750@news.Individual.NET... : On Thu, 8 Jul 2004 10:52:27 +0200, "pr" wrote: : ". That something is Who We Are. You. I. The client. The One. : > : >You sound very convinced that this is the right answer. : : That's because I'm using double speak. :-) : : See my reply to Rich elsewhere in this thread to understand what I am : on about. There are so many post of yours in this thread that I can't figure out which one you mean. A date would be helpful. -- Namu Amida Butsu Peter Reber "Life knows its needs" ###### From: gdwill@earthlink.net (Garry Williams) Newsgroups: alt.healing.reiki Subject: Re: On Topic: The Inner Attitude Date: Fri, 09 Jul 2004 10:27:36 GMT Lines: 15 Message-ID: <40ee7226.1250681@news.Individual.NET> References: <40E951FB.6F2B2A9E@shaw.ca> <40e98e7d.1583121@news.Individual.NET> <40E99428.D2C1159C@shaw.ca> <40E9F7B0.F051BCAF@shaw.ca> <40ebcd52.0@news1.mweb.co.za> <40ec84a5.1394984@news.Individual.NET> <40ed0b8c.0@news1.mweb.co.za> <40ed2b76.2342750@news.Individual.NET> <40ee1e04.0@news1.mweb.co.za> Reply-To: gdwill@earthlink.net X-Trace: news.uni-berlin.de 0DLYHS+epfUze64M78v81wmP0bMBig9QCC4nHprzzEdPvJ84uk X-Newsreader: Forte Free Agent 1.11/32.235 Path: nightfall.franklin.ch!pfaff2.ethz.ch!news-zh.switch.ch!irazu.switch.ch!switch.ch!news.belwue.de!fu-berlin.de!uni-berlin.de!not-for-mail Xref: nightfall.franklin.ch alt.healing.reiki:17590 On Fri, 9 Jul 2004 06:18:35 +0200, "pr" wrote: >There are so many post of yours in this thread that I can't >figure out which one you mean. A date would be helpful. It was Thursday (and the only other post that I made in this thread that day) and you already replied to it. It was the "Quite Easily Done" message. But here you go: Subject: Re: On Topic: The Inner Attitude Date: Thu, 08 Jul 2004 11:09:12 GMT Lines: 26 Message-ID: <40ed2555.773565@news.Individual.NET> ###### From: gdwill@earthlink.net (Garry Williams) Newsgroups: alt.healing.reiki Subject: Re: On Topic: The Inner Attitude Date: Fri, 09 Jul 2004 10:39:08 GMT Lines: 53 Message-ID: <40ee7399.1622011@news.Individual.NET> References: <40E951FB.6F2B2A9E@shaw.ca> <40e98e7d.1583121@news.Individual.NET> <40E99428.D2C1159C@shaw.ca> <40E9F7B0.F051BCAF@shaw.ca> <40EAC37F.5FB81555@shaw.ca> <40EBF43D.5E498AA0@shaw.ca> <40ec8404.1234429@news.Individual.NET> <40EC9AA0.CD7115A1@shaw.ca> <40ed2555.773565@news.Individual.NET> <40ED5F04.1564AD10@shaw.ca> Reply-To: gdwill@earthlink.net X-Trace: news.uni-berlin.de uGKjN+Y+yduRjTw0VgdsEw197kvKRPf62ZlDUlLJoVjZaTtHjL X-Newsreader: Forte Free Agent 1.11/32.235 Path: nightfall.franklin.ch!pfaff2.ethz.ch!news-zh.switch.ch!irazu.switch.ch!switch.ch!news.belwue.de!fu-berlin.de!uni-berlin.de!not-for-mail Xref: nightfall.franklin.ch alt.healing.reiki:17591 On Thu, 08 Jul 2004 14:51:41 GMT, Rich wrote: >Makes my head hurt to get too deep into this conversation, and I wonder >if "I am" is not the same daily but is a function of a declaration "I >am" so it changes as the declaration is made. "In the beginning was the >Word" so in my constant 'beginning' my word/declaration is my "I am". >Ouch! Let me thump your sore spot just for sport: were you conscious of your existence before you learned how to say any words? Or did you not exist until you were old enough to declare at the top of your lungs "I am!" So much for "In the beginning was the Word." But is "Word" the best translation for "logos" (NT) or whatever the Hebrew is (OT)? OTOH, anytime you use language (words) you are using the thinking mind, and isn't that ultimately where we get into all of our trouble? Enjoy! :-) Garry P.S. After work today, I'm going to see Chicago and Earth, Wind and Fire--won tickets and VIP seats and parking in an office drawing. Whee doggies! > >Garry Williams wrote: >> >> On Thu, 08 Jul 2004 00:53:46 GMT, Rich wrote: >> >> >"Like most things" ...I was speaking outside the realm of 'most'! >> >My statement is true, therefore. Saying 'most' just gives you wiggle >> >room! >> >> Okay, you've backed me up against the wall; now I'll have to pull >> out the big guns! >> >> Whatever it is inside you that says to itself and knows beyond words >> "I am" is exactly the same day in and day out. The memories, thoughts >> and cellular makeup of the mind and body that we call "Rich" varies >> from moment to moment and is never exactly the same in any two given >> moments. >> >> Hence your statement is both true and false. >> >> QED (abbreviation for Latin words used by mathematicians and logicians >> meaning "Quite Easily Done" ) >> >> Am I a good wiggler, or what? ;-) >> >> Love and Light, >> >> Garry ###### From: stuv@cix.co.uk (Stuart Vernon) Newsgroups: alt.healing.reiki Subject: Re: On Topic: The Inner Attitude Date: Fri, 9 Jul 2004 13:25 +0100 (BST) Lines: 25 Message-ID: References: <40ee7399.1622011@news.Individual.NET> Reply-To: stuv@cix.co.uk X-Trace: news.uni-berlin.de WfgQu99SgjPY/jDPGrZsOQpSq95R7IEN6kjaIJMQ6QB0no/vo= X-News-Software: Ameol2 X-URL: http://www.ameol.com Path: nightfall.franklin.ch!pfaff2.ethz.ch!news-zh.switch.ch!switch.ch!news.imp.ch!news.imp.ch!fu-berlin.de!uni-berlin.de!not-for-mail Xref: nightfall.franklin.ch alt.healing.reiki:17594 In the Beginning was the Word .. http://www.newscientist.com/news/news.jsp?id=ns99995092 Stuart (Garry Williams) wrote: > On Thu, 08 Jul 2004 14:51:41 GMT, Rich wrote: > > >Makes my head hurt to get too deep into this conversation, and I wonder > >if "I am" is not the same daily but is a function of a declaration "I > >am" so it changes as the declaration is made. "In the beginning was the > >Word" so in my constant 'beginning' my word/declaration is my "I am". > >Ouch! > > Let me thump your sore spot just for sport: were you conscious of your > existence before you learned how to say any words? Or did you not > exist until you were old enough to declare at the top of your lungs "I > am!" So much for "In the beginning was the Word." But is "Word" the > best translation for "logos" (NT) or whatever the Hebrew is (OT)? > OTOH, anytime you use language (words) you are using the thinking > mind, and isn't that ultimately where we get into all of our trouble? ###### From: gaotanma@india.com (Garry) Newsgroups: alt.healing.reiki Subject: Re: On Topic: The Inner Attitude Date: 9 Jul 2004 10:40:36 -0700 Organization: http://groups.google.com Lines: 12 Message-ID: References: <40ee7399.1622011@news.Individual.NET> NNTP-Posting-Host: 168.215.121.11 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Trace: posting.google.com 1089394836 17412 127.0.0.1 (9 Jul 2004 17:40:36 GMT) X-Complaints-To: groups-abuse@google.com NNTP-Posting-Date: Fri, 9 Jul 2004 17:40:36 +0000 (UTC) Path: nightfall.franklin.ch!pfaff2.ethz.ch!news-zh.switch.ch!switch.ch!news.imp.ch!news.imp.ch!209.11.36.156.MISMATCH!nntp-server.pubsub.com!news.glorb.com!postnews2.google.com!not-for-mail Xref: nightfall.franklin.ch alt.healing.reiki:17608 stuv@cix.co.uk (Stuart Vernon) wrote in message news:... > In the Beginning was the Word .. > > http://www.newscientist.com/news/news.jsp?id=ns99995092 > > Stuart Fascinating! Thanks for that, Stu! Wish they gave us more than a 5 sec sound byte, though. Probably just to tease us for marketing purposes when the band goes on tour. ;-) Garry ###### From: stuv@cix.co.uk (Stuart Vernon) Newsgroups: alt.healing.reiki Subject: Re: On Topic: The Inner Attitude Date: Fri, 9 Jul 2004 19:52 +0100 (BST) Lines: 24 Message-ID: References: Reply-To: stuv@cix.co.uk X-Trace: news.uni-berlin.de 3Fr+nn2IX4mp5CKeDoZ/ygiMNk95Pp4Db2Zn7P1qcIVeBAxfM= X-News-Software: Ameol2 X-URL: http://www.ameol.com Path: nightfall.franklin.ch!pfaff2.ethz.ch!news-zh.switch.ch!irazu.switch.ch!switch.ch!newsfeed00.sul.t-online.de!newsfeed01.sul.t-online.de!t-online.de!fu-berlin.de!uni-berlin.de!not-for-mail Xref: nightfall.franklin.ch alt.healing.reiki:17612 This is the B side ... ;) http://www.npl.washington.edu/AV/BigBangSound_2.wav Stuart (Garry) wrote: > stuv@cix.co.uk (Stuart Vernon) wrote in message > news:... > > In the Beginning was the Word .. > > > > http://www.newscientist.com/news/news.jsp?id=ns99995092 > > > > Stuart > > Fascinating! Thanks for that, Stu! Wish they gave us more than a 5 sec > sound byte, though. Probably just to tease us for marketing purposes > when the band goes on tour. ;-) > > Garry >