From: montane Newsgroups: alt.healing.reiki Subject: Reiki, self-responsibility, and practicality Date: Thu, 24 Jun 2004 10:52:31 -0700 Organization: http://extra.newsguy.com Lines: 34 Message-ID: <4u4md01vo4uns1hnqumj7h2s99a9kur7b3@4ax.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: p-132.newsdawg.com Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Newsreader: Forte Free Agent 1.93/32.576 English (American) Path: nightfall.franklin.ch!pfaff2.ethz.ch!news-zh.switch.ch!switch.ch!news.imp.ch!news.imp.ch!nntp-out.monmouth.com!newspeer.monmouth.com!logbridge.uoregon.edu!pln-w!spln!dex!extra.newsguy.com!newsp.newsguy.com!enews4 Xref: nightfall.franklin.ch alt.healing.reiki:17012 Hi, Numerous people on the AHR here have mentioned that those people we give Reiki sessions to should understand that their healing is their own responsibility, not ours. Fair enough. The theory of that is not hard to understand. But I want to go beyond theory here. I'm interested to learn how people on AHR make sense of this "self-responsibility" in a practical way. It's all well and good to tell someone that you will provide Reiki energy, either hands-on or distant, and that you cannot predict any particular outcome for the recipient. And, further, that their healing is their own responsibility. But in many cases and with some justification, I feel, the individual receiving Reiki treatment from us may expect that we have some insight into the healing process (at least in general terms), and that we may be able to provide some helpful advice. So..... I'm curious to know what you tell people to do, to encourage their own bodies to heal. Besides "just relax," I mean. That's pretty obvious immediate advice. Have you found that any particular mental attitudes or visualizations or whatever, if done by your "clients" (the people you serve, is what I mean here), often prove helpful? Looking forward to your help here. Thanks. Namaste, montane ###### From: "Hilary Starke" Newsgroups: alt.healing.reiki Subject: Re: Reiki, self-responsibility, and practicality Date: Thu, 24 Jun 2004 19:22:52 +0000 (UTC) Organization: BT Openworld Lines: 64 Message-ID: References: <4u4md01vo4uns1hnqumj7h2s99a9kur7b3@4ax.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: host81-153-148-40.range81-153.btcentralplus.com X-Trace: hercules.btinternet.com 1088104972 10799 81.153.148.40 (24 Jun 2004 19:22:52 GMT) X-Complaints-To: news-complaints@lists.btinternet.com NNTP-Posting-Date: Thu, 24 Jun 2004 19:22:52 +0000 (UTC) X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1409 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Priority: 3 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1409 Path: nightfall.franklin.ch!pfaff2.ethz.ch!news-zh.switch.ch!irazu.switch.ch!switch.ch!newsfeed00.sul.t-online.de!t-online.de!newsfeed.wirehub.nl!194.72.7.126.MISMATCH!news-peer-test!news-peer0-test!btnet-feed5!btnet!news.btopenworld.com!not-for-mail Xref: nightfall.franklin.ch alt.healing.reiki:17016 Dear montane In a practical way, what I do on the first occasion I work with any client, is to go through a consent form with them. This covers the obvious that reiki is not a substitute for medical/psychological etc. treatment. I talk the form through with the client, tell them my view, which is that reiki is a stress-reduction and relaxation technique, which I believe can facilitate the body's own healing process. I use the statement: "My attitude is that body is designed to work: there wouldn't be much future for the human race if it wasn't". I then ask the client if they are comfortable with this approach. So far, everybody has been. If anybody is not happy with it, then I would happily recommend them to another practitioner. This sounds very direct, written down, and I imagine it may come across that way too. However, there are times when a direct approach is beneficial. Hope this is of some assistance - and I am sure others have as good or better ideas about this. Love and hugs Hils "montane" wrote in message news:4u4md01vo4uns1hnqumj7h2s99a9kur7b3@4ax.com... > Hi, > > Numerous people on the AHR here have mentioned that those people we > give Reiki sessions to should understand that their healing is their > own responsibility, not ours. > > Fair enough. The theory of that is not hard to understand. But I > want to go beyond theory here. I'm interested to learn how people on > AHR make sense of this "self-responsibility" in a practical way. > > It's all well and good to tell someone that you will provide Reiki > energy, either hands-on or distant, and that you cannot predict any > particular outcome for the recipient. And, further, that their > healing is their own responsibility. But in many cases and with some > justification, I feel, the individual receiving Reiki treatment from > us may expect that we have some insight into the healing process (at > least in general terms), and that we may be able to provide some > helpful advice. > > So..... I'm curious to know what you tell people to do, to > encourage their own bodies to heal. Besides "just relax," I mean. > That's pretty obvious immediate advice. > > Have you found that any particular mental attitudes or visualizations > or whatever, if done by your "clients" (the people you serve, is what > I mean here), often prove helpful? > > Looking forward to your help here. Thanks. > > > Namaste, > > montane > ###### From: "Phasedreality" Newsgroups: alt.healing.reiki References: <4u4md01vo4uns1hnqumj7h2s99a9kur7b3@4ax.com> Subject: Re: Reiki, self-responsibility, and practicality Date: Thu, 24 Jun 2004 20:51:08 +0100 Lines: 65 Organization: Phasedreality X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1409 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1409 X-Complaints-To: abuse@clara.net (please include full headers) X-Trace: 09dc29c2726860006158e0d83175fcb4b6685ca19621c020966140f040db309d NNTP-Posting-Date: Thu, 24 Jun 2004 20:50:53 +0100 Message-ID: <1088106653.27631.0@spandrell.news.uk.clara.net> Path: nightfall.franklin.ch!pfaff2.ethz.ch!news-zh.switch.ch!switch.ch!news.ip-plus.net!newsfeed.ip-plus.net!news.tesion.net!news.belwue.de!feed.news.tiscali.de!newsfeed.freenet.de!216.196.110.149.MISMATCH!border2.nntp.ams.giganews.com!nntp.giganews.com!mephistopheles.news.clara.net!news.clara.net!spandrell.news.uk.clara.net Xref: nightfall.franklin.ch alt.healing.reiki:17019 Hi montane! This is an interesting thread considering the recent posts about reiki potentially having a negative effect on some people. So I will outline my thoughts and feelings on the subject. Obviously this is very much my opinion and I would never suggest that this is the only way to see things. I am just as much 'on the path' as everyone else.. Anyway I think that for me, one of the fundamental aspects of reiki is that UE has a 'sentience' that is separate from the practitioner. Not that the person acting as a 'channel' has no influence, rather that reiki treatment is a dynamic made up of the patient, the practitioner and UE. I think it is important to make anyone I am treating aware of this before the session begins, and explain that reiki is not simply a 'cure all' method. Just because I am acting as a channel, does not mean that I am able to direct UE to heal their bunion or make their cancer go away. As I understand it reiki acts on a much subtler level, and that the agenda's and decisions made here do not always follow what we as physical incarnations desire. If someone has pinned all their hope on reiki solving their problems then I think it is important to let them know that their life is part of a much bigger web, and that it is impossible for us to fully comprehend the significance of this. What they perceive as a 'problem' might actually be an important part of their development. Just to make that go away will mean that they might miss out on a wonderful opportunity to learn and grow. So, what is the point in giving or receiving reiki? Well I believe that UE and reiki are not about 'healing' in the traditional western sense of the word, rather that it is about facilitating peoples growth and development. By working on a patients energetic system, they are being given the opportunity to overcome their problems and develop themselves in a positive way. However, the key word is 'opportunity' - i.e. it is a two way thing. As a reiki practitioner I can only use UE to open the window of opportunity, for the patient to get the most out of the treatment they must then take the initiative after the treatment. If they just go back to their old ways then any benefit that the UE has made will be short lived! Ok so that's probably quite a long winded way of explain it, and unless someone showed a particular interest, I doubt I would go into much detail. However, this is the basis for my understanding of what I am doing, and I will always do my best to let a patient know this, and especially underline the fact that the onus is on them to make use of the session, not me to just heal them. Another thing I think that is vitally important, is to let a patient know that they can, and should, talk about anything that comes up during the session. I would never just finish up and kick them out without a second glance as I know that sometimes you need time to express thoughts and feelings or just time to get your head round the whole thing. Receiving reiki can be a fairly life / mind altering experience, and as the focus of that experience I have a duty to support and guide someone if they want or require it. Reiki doesn't end when I take my hands away, in fact that is often just the beginning.... I hope this helps.... Love & Light ###### From: gdwill@earthlink.net (Garry Williams) Newsgroups: alt.healing.reiki Subject: Re: Reiki, self-responsibility, and practicality Date: Thu, 24 Jun 2004 20:28:18 GMT Lines: 77 Message-ID: <40db38e6.7956277@news.Individual.NET> References: <4u4md01vo4uns1hnqumj7h2s99a9kur7b3@4ax.com> Reply-To: gdwill@earthlink.net X-Trace: news.uni-berlin.de qodd5En+8hoVrtLVxfPgMwc/gPpskdEIgVpF+P5QFlvHDBc4/+ X-Newsreader: Forte Free Agent 1.11/32.235 Path: nightfall.franklin.ch!pfaff2.ethz.ch!news-zh.switch.ch!switch.ch!news.imp.ch!news.imp.ch!fu-berlin.de!uni-berlin.de!not-for-mail Xref: nightfall.franklin.ch alt.healing.reiki:17023 Joel/Montane, Hils speaks for me, as well. I find that the farther you go into theoretical territory, the more likely you are to step off the cliff. So I try to keep it short and simple, just as Hils has presented it below. Love and Light, Garry On Thu, 24 Jun 2004 19:22:52 +0000 (UTC), "Hilary Starke" wrote: >Dear montane > >In a practical way, what I do on the first occasion I work with any client, >is to go through a consent form with them. This covers the obvious that >reiki is not a substitute for medical/psychological etc. treatment. > >I talk the form through with the client, tell them my view, which is that >reiki is a stress-reduction and relaxation technique, which I believe can >facilitate the body's own healing process. I use the statement: "My >attitude is that body is designed to work: there wouldn't be much future for >the human race if it wasn't". I then ask the client if they are comfortable >with this approach. > >So far, everybody has been. If anybody is not happy with it, then I would >happily recommend them to another practitioner. > >This sounds very direct, written down, and I imagine it may come across that >way too. However, there are times when a direct approach is beneficial. > >Hope this is of some assistance - and I am sure others have as good or >better ideas about this. > >Love and hugs > >Hils > >"montane" wrote in message >news:4u4md01vo4uns1hnqumj7h2s99a9kur7b3@4ax.com... >> Hi, >> >> Numerous people on the AHR here have mentioned that those people we >> give Reiki sessions to should understand that their healing is their >> own responsibility, not ours. >> >> Fair enough. The theory of that is not hard to understand. But I >> want to go beyond theory here. I'm interested to learn how people on >> AHR make sense of this "self-responsibility" in a practical way. >> >> It's all well and good to tell someone that you will provide Reiki >> energy, either hands-on or distant, and that you cannot predict any >> particular outcome for the recipient. And, further, that their >> healing is their own responsibility. But in many cases and with some >> justification, I feel, the individual receiving Reiki treatment from >> us may expect that we have some insight into the healing process (at >> least in general terms), and that we may be able to provide some >> helpful advice. >> >> So..... I'm curious to know what you tell people to do, to >> encourage their own bodies to heal. Besides "just relax," I mean. >> That's pretty obvious immediate advice. >> >> Have you found that any particular mental attitudes or visualizations >> or whatever, if done by your "clients" (the people you serve, is what >> I mean here), often prove helpful? >> >> Looking forward to your help here. Thanks. >> >> >> Namaste, >> >> montane >> > > ###### From: montane Newsgroups: alt.healing.reiki Subject: Re: Reiki, self-responsibility, and practicality Date: Thu, 24 Jun 2004 13:35:26 -0700 Organization: http://extra.newsguy.com Lines: 57 Message-ID: <58emd095hm3gbl1svmtcr5set1vndah52q@4ax.com> References: <4u4md01vo4uns1hnqumj7h2s99a9kur7b3@4ax.com> <1088106653.27631.0@spandrell.news.uk.clara.net> NNTP-Posting-Host: p-611.newsdawg.com Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Newsreader: Forte Free Agent 1.93/32.576 English (American) Path: nightfall.franklin.ch!pfaff2.ethz.ch!news-zh.switch.ch!switch.ch!news.imp.ch!news.imp.ch!nntp-out.monmouth.com!newspeer.monmouth.com!HSNX.atgi.net!cyclone-sf.pbi.net!129.250.175.17!pln-w!spln!dex!extra.newsguy.com!newsp.newsguy.com!enews2 Xref: nightfall.franklin.ch alt.healing.reiki:17026 On Thu, 24 Jun 2004 20:51:08 +0100, "Phasedreality" wrote: >person acting as a 'channel' has no influence, rather that reiki treatment >is a dynamic made up of the patient, the practitioner and UE. Yes, quite a few people have used a triangular formula like yours -- e.g., patient, practitioner, and God (or Great Spirit) -- etc. > >As I understand it reiki acts on a much subtler level, and that the agenda's >and decisions made here do not always follow what we as physical >incarnations desire. Yes. Though, as well, "what we as physical incarnations desire" may be what motivates someone to go to a Reiki-ist or energetic healer or spiritual healer for help. >If someone has pinned all their hope on reiki solving >their problems then I think it is important to let them know that their life >is part of a much bigger web, and that it is impossible for us to fully >comprehend the significance of this. What they perceive as a 'problem' might >actually be an important part of their development. Just to make that go >away will mean that they might miss out on a wonderful opportunity to learn >and grow. > Can't disagree with you -- though, at the same time, what you say above is pretty much the "theoretical aspect" I referred to in my original post. It seems to be a good theory, and it acts as a disclaimer. So far, so good. But what I'm after is a practical component that can be offered to the patient. > As a reiki practitioner I can only use UE to open the window of opportunity, >for the patient to get the most out of the treatment they must then take the >initiative after the treatment. If they just go back to their old ways then >any benefit that the UE has made will be short lived! > Certainly this is true. Good diet, good general attitude, enough exercise and sleep -- common sense stuff. > >Another thing I think that is vitally important, is to let a patient know >that they can, and should, talk about anything that comes up during the >session. I would never just finish up and kick them out without a second >glance as I know that sometimes you need time to express thoughts and >feelings or just time to get your head round the whole thing. Receiving >reiki can be a fairly life / mind altering experience, and as the focus of >that experience I have a duty to support and guide someone if they want or >require it. Hmmm, yes. Good. Thanks. montane ###### From: "Phasedreality" Newsgroups: alt.healing.reiki References: <4u4md01vo4uns1hnqumj7h2s99a9kur7b3@4ax.com> <1088106653.27631.0@spandrell.news.uk.clara.net> <58emd095hm3gbl1svmtcr5set1vndah52q@4ax.com> Subject: Re: Reiki, self-responsibility, and practicality Date: Thu, 24 Jun 2004 23:16:07 +0100 Lines: 48 Organization: Phasedreality X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1409 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1409 X-Complaints-To: abuse@clara.net (please include full headers) X-Trace: 6903250ac76fb8a86204e11f75219201db4624049c2069e4d6f1946840db5292 NNTP-Posting-Date: Thu, 24 Jun 2004 23:15:46 +0100 Message-ID: <1088115346.19237.0@nnrp-t71-03.news.uk.clara.net> Path: nightfall.franklin.ch!pfaff2.ethz.ch!news-zh.switch.ch!switch.ch!news.ip-plus.net!newsfeed.ip-plus.net!news.tesion.net!news.belwue.de!feed.news.tiscali.de!tiscali!newsfeed1.ip.tiscali.net!216.196.110.149.MISMATCH!border2.nntp.ams.giganews.com!nntp.giganews.com!mephistopheles.news.clara.net!news.clara.net!nnrp-t71-03.news.uk.clara.net Xref: nightfall.franklin.ch alt.healing.reiki:17029 montane wrote > Certainly this is true. Good diet, good general attitude, enough > exercise and sleep -- common sense stuff. Obviously all these things are important, but I think it goes much deeper than this. One of my core beliefs is that illness is very much a manifestation of imbalance, which literally causes 'dis-ease'. As I understand it, a person is made up of a dynamic involving their physical, mental and as well as spiritual or energetic aspects. However, while it is easy to talk in terms of these groupings, I think that all these elements are so tightly interwoven that it is, in my opinion, pointless to try and separate them. Instead I strongly feel that a holistic approach is required. As a reiki practitioner I can investigate someone's energetic system and by doing so, give a patient subjective feedback as to how it is functioning i.e. if it is blocked, overactive or unbalanced etc. Using myself as a UE channel I can also provide an energy boost to the patient which can potentially help to remedy these problems. But, this doesn't mean that I am healing a patient, rather that I am working on just one element of a patients entire system. What the UE does, in my opinion, is simply return the system to an ideal state. However, the influence of mind and body are powerful things and unless a patient makes the effort to understand and learn from their dis-ease then it will just return. So, if a patient is to get the most out of a reiki session then it is vital that I communicate with them, offering them potential insight into the state of this part of their system and hopefully allow them to better understand the cause of their 'dis-ease' and by doing so give them the chance to move on from it. For example, during a session I might feel that a persons throat chakra suddenly opens up and gives out a large rush of energy. This would suggest to me that the person is releasing a blockage here. I would relate this to the patient and give them some information as to what the throat chakra is associated with i.e. communication, truth, intimacy etc. I would then leave it up to them to decide what this means. I certainly would never tell someone what was 'wrong' with them - I am not in any way qualified to do so nor do I feel that I have the authority to. This information might provoke a response in the patient, who might then want to discuss issues that this information brings up. Again, it is not my duty to tell a patient what they should do, I am not a doctor, agony uncle, confessor or psychologist. What I would do though, would be to encourage the patient to look critically at their life and to listen to and develop their intuition. I believe that we all have within ourselves the necessary ability and knowledge to lead fulfilling and complete lives and as a reiki practitioner I have the opportunity to help people to understand this. Love & Light ###### X-Trace-PostClient-IP: 68.144.1.130 Message-ID: <40DB53DA.674F155E@shaw.ca> From: Rich X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.79 [en]C-CCK-MCD telus.net_v5.0.1HS (Win98; U) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 Newsgroups: alt.healing.reiki Subject: Re: Reiki, self-responsibility, and practicality References: <4u4md01vo4uns1hnqumj7h2s99a9kur7b3@4ax.com> <1088106653.27631.0@spandrell.news.uk.clara.net> <58emd095hm3gbl1svmtcr5set1vndah52q@4ax.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Lines: 68 Date: Thu, 24 Jun 2004 22:22:42 GMT NNTP-Posting-Host: 24.71.223.147 X-Complaints-To: abuse@shaw.ca X-Trace: pd7tw3no 1088115762 24.71.223.147 (Thu, 24 Jun 2004 16:22:42 MDT) NNTP-Posting-Date: Thu, 24 Jun 2004 16:22:42 MDT Organization: Shaw Residential Internet Path: nightfall.franklin.ch!pfaff2.ethz.ch!news-zh.switch.ch!irazu.switch.ch!switch.ch!newsfeed00.sul.t-online.de!t-online.de!border2.nntp.dca.giganews.com!border1.nntp.dca.giganews.com!nntp.giganews.com!pd7cy2so!pd7cy1no!shaw.ca!pd7tw3no.POSTED!53ab2750!not-for-mail Xref: nightfall.franklin.ch alt.healing.reiki:17030 Hi montane, There is one other variable in the equation and I am certain you know what it is. When I have given Reiki to someone who is stressed because of 'being distanced' from family or friends due to old family war scars, etc. I always mention that it would be a good idea to open the lines of communication. I am not experienced enough to believe that Reiki makes stuff like that just go away. Cheers Rich montane wrote: > > On Thu, 24 Jun 2004 20:51:08 +0100, "Phasedreality" > wrote: > > >person acting as a 'channel' has no influence, rather that reiki treatment > >is a dynamic made up of the patient, the practitioner and UE. > > Yes, quite a few people have used a triangular formula like yours -- > e.g., patient, practitioner, and God (or Great Spirit) -- etc. > > > > >As I understand it reiki acts on a much subtler level, and that the agenda's > >and decisions made here do not always follow what we as physical > >incarnations desire. > > Yes. Though, as well, "what we as physical incarnations desire" may > be what motivates someone to go to a Reiki-ist or energetic healer or > spiritual healer for help. > > >If someone has pinned all their hope on reiki solving > >their problems then I think it is important to let them know that their life > >is part of a much bigger web, and that it is impossible for us to fully > >comprehend the significance of this. What they perceive as a 'problem' might > >actually be an important part of their development. Just to make that go > >away will mean that they might miss out on a wonderful opportunity to learn > >and grow. > > > > Can't disagree with you -- though, at the same time, what you say > above is pretty much the "theoretical aspect" I referred to in my > original post. It seems to be a good theory, and it acts as a > disclaimer. So far, so good. But what I'm after is a practical > component that can be offered to the patient. > > > As a reiki practitioner I can only use UE to open the window of opportunity, > >for the patient to get the most out of the treatment they must then take the > >initiative after the treatment. If they just go back to their old ways then > >any benefit that the UE has made will be short lived! > > > > Certainly this is true. Good diet, good general attitude, enough > exercise and sleep -- common sense stuff. > > > > >Another thing I think that is vitally important, is to let a patient know > >that they can, and should, talk about anything that comes up during the > >session. I would never just finish up and kick them out without a second > >glance as I know that sometimes you need time to express thoughts and > >feelings or just time to get your head round the whole thing. Receiving > >reiki can be a fairly life / mind altering experience, and as the focus of > >that experience I have a duty to support and guide someone if they want or > >require it. > > Hmmm, yes. Good. Thanks. > > montane ###### From: "Steven Buck, CMT" Newsgroups: alt.healing.reiki Subject: Re: Reiki, self-responsibility, and practicality Organization: http://www.ascesis.net Reply-To: steven@ascesis.net Message-ID: <774nd0tgrutt1ptg4k7lauaaf7trdotj9p@4ax.com> References: <4u4md01vo4uns1hnqumj7h2s99a9kur7b3@4ax.com> X-Newsreader: Forte Agent 2.0/32.652 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Lines: 43 NNTP-Posting-Host: 64.220.153.4 X-Complaints-To: abuse@prodigy.net X-Trace: newssvr29.news.prodigy.com 1088179704 ST000 64.220.153.4 (Fri, 25 Jun 2004 12:08:24 EDT) NNTP-Posting-Date: Fri, 25 Jun 2004 12:08:24 EDT X-UserInfo1: FKPGW^KGVJWUSRD[N[O@_WH@YR_B@EXLLBWLOOAFEQR@ETUCCNSKQFCY@TXDX_WHSVB]ZEJLSNY\^J[CUVSA_QLFC^RQHUPH[P[NRWCCMLSNPOD_ESALHUK@TDFUZHBLJ\XGKL^NXA\EVHSP[D_C^B_^JCX^W]CHBAX]POG@SSAZQ\LE[DCNMUPG_VSC@VJM Date: Fri, 25 Jun 2004 16:08:24 GMT Path: nightfall.franklin.ch!pfaff2.ethz.ch!news-zh.switch.ch!irazu.switch.ch!switch.ch!in.100proofnews.com!in.100proofnews.com!prodigy.com!newsmst01a.news.prodigy.com!prodigy.com!postmaster.news.prodigy.com!newssvr29.news.prodigy.com.POSTED!e700f050!not-for-mail Xref: nightfall.franklin.ch alt.healing.reiki:17049 I just tell them "it's massage." };-) On Thu, 24 Jun 2004 10:52:31 -0700, montane wrote: >Hi, > >Numerous people on the AHR here have mentioned that those people we >give Reiki sessions to should understand that their healing is their >own responsibility, not ours. > >Fair enough. The theory of that is not hard to understand. But I >want to go beyond theory here. I'm interested to learn how people on >AHR make sense of this "self-responsibility" in a practical way. > >It's all well and good to tell someone that you will provide Reiki >energy, either hands-on or distant, and that you cannot predict any >particular outcome for the recipient. And, further, that their >healing is their own responsibility. But in many cases and with some >justification, I feel, the individual receiving Reiki treatment from >us may expect that we have some insight into the healing process (at >least in general terms), and that we may be able to provide some >helpful advice. > >So..... I'm curious to know what you tell people to do, to >encourage their own bodies to heal. Besides "just relax," I mean. >That's pretty obvious immediate advice. > >Have you found that any particular mental attitudes or visualizations >or whatever, if done by your "clients" (the people you serve, is what >I mean here), often prove helpful? > >Looking forward to your help here. Thanks. > > >Namaste, > >montane Steven Buck, CMT San Francisco, CA ###### From: "Hilary Starke" Newsgroups: alt.healing.reiki Subject: Re: Reiki, self-responsibility, and practicality Date: Fri, 25 Jun 2004 16:35:15 +0000 (UTC) Organization: BT Openworld Lines: 57 Message-ID: References: <4u4md01vo4uns1hnqumj7h2s99a9kur7b3@4ax.com> <774nd0tgrutt1ptg4k7lauaaf7trdotj9p@4ax.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: host81-153-148-40.range81-153.btcentralplus.com X-Trace: sparta.btinternet.com 1088181315 20111 81.153.148.40 (25 Jun 2004 16:35:15 GMT) X-Complaints-To: news-complaints@lists.btinternet.com NNTP-Posting-Date: Fri, 25 Jun 2004 16:35:15 +0000 (UTC) X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1409 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Priority: 3 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1409 Path: nightfall.franklin.ch!pfaff2.ethz.ch!news-zh.switch.ch!switch.ch!news.ip-plus.net!newsfeed.ip-plus.net!news.tesion.net!news.belwue.de!feed.news.tiscali.de!newsfeed.icl.net!news.netkonect.net!news-peer0-test!btnet-feed5!btnet!news.btopenworld.com!not-for-mail Xref: nightfall.franklin.ch alt.healing.reiki:17050 I can't resist this - and I am having a day up today - however, personally speaking I wouldn't use the word responsibility to a client. I have used the expression "do your bit too", "you have to do the work" - and, thinking about this, which is valuable - and thanks to all for stimulating this, what I am really trying to get across is "it is your choice"; by choice. Love and hugs Hils "Steven Buck, CMT" wrote in message news:774nd0tgrutt1ptg4k7lauaaf7trdotj9p@4ax.com... > I just tell them "it's massage." > > };-) > > On Thu, 24 Jun 2004 10:52:31 -0700, montane > wrote: > > >Hi, > > > >Numerous people on the AHR here have mentioned that those people we > >give Reiki sessions to should understand that their healing is their > >own responsibility, not ours. > > > >Fair enough. The theory of that is not hard to understand. But I > >want to go beyond theory here. I'm interested to learn how people on > >AHR make sense of this "self-responsibility" in a practical way. > > > >It's all well and good to tell someone that you will provide Reiki > >energy, either hands-on or distant, and that you cannot predict any > >particular outcome for the recipient. And, further, that their > >healing is their own responsibility. But in many cases and with some > >justification, I feel, the individual receiving Reiki treatment from > >us may expect that we have some insight into the healing process (at > >least in general terms), and that we may be able to provide some > >helpful advice. > > > >So..... I'm curious to know what you tell people to do, to > >encourage their own bodies to heal. Besides "just relax," I mean. > >That's pretty obvious immediate advice. > > > >Have you found that any particular mental attitudes or visualizations > >or whatever, if done by your "clients" (the people you serve, is what > >I mean here), often prove helpful? > > > >Looking forward to your help here. Thanks. > > > > > >Namaste, > > > >montane > > Steven Buck, CMT > San Francisco, CA ###### From: gdwill@earthlink.net (Garry Williams) Newsgroups: alt.healing.reiki Subject: Re: Reiki, self-responsibility, and practicality Date: Fri, 25 Jun 2004 16:41:33 GMT Lines: 12 Message-ID: <40dc5560.655867@news.Individual.NET> References: <4u4md01vo4uns1hnqumj7h2s99a9kur7b3@4ax.com> <774nd0tgrutt1ptg4k7lauaaf7trdotj9p@4ax.com> Reply-To: gdwill@earthlink.net X-Trace: news.uni-berlin.de Jfpfgg6k8EhM7i3n6iWMiwujzlvKK07lhBjFrqvvShEciddBT1 X-Newsreader: Forte Free Agent 1.11/32.235 Path: nightfall.franklin.ch!pfaff2.ethz.ch!news-zh.switch.ch!irazu.switch.ch!switch.ch!newsfeed00.sul.t-online.de!newsfeed01.sul.t-online.de!t-online.de!fu-berlin.de!uni-berlin.de!not-for-mail Xref: nightfall.franklin.ch alt.healing.reiki:17051 On Fri, 25 Jun 2004 16:08:24 GMT, "Steven Buck, CMT" wrote: >I just tell them "it's massage." > >};-) Steven, you are soooo wicked! I just hope ShadowWolf or any other Floridians aren't reading this thread! Garry ###### From: "Steven Buck, CMT" Newsgroups: alt.healing.reiki Subject: Re: Reiki, self-responsibility, and practicality Organization: http://www.ascesis.net Reply-To: steven@ascesis.net Message-ID: References: <4u4md01vo4uns1hnqumj7h2s99a9kur7b3@4ax.com> <774nd0tgrutt1ptg4k7lauaaf7trdotj9p@4ax.com> <40dc5560.655867@news.Individual.NET> X-Newsreader: Forte Agent 2.0/32.652 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Lines: 25 NNTP-Posting-Host: 67.116.151.230 X-Complaints-To: abuse@prodigy.net X-Trace: newssvr25.news.prodigy.com 1088192839 ST000 67.116.151.230 (Fri, 25 Jun 2004 15:47:19 EDT) NNTP-Posting-Date: Fri, 25 Jun 2004 15:47:19 EDT X-UserInfo1: SCSGW^KGVJWUSRD[N[O@_WH@YR_B@EXLLBWLOOAFBATBTSUBYFWEAE[YJLYPIWKHTFCMZKVMB^[Z^DOBRVVMOSPFHNSYXVDIE@X\BUC@GTSX@DL^GKFFHQCCE\G[JJBMYDYIJCZM@AY]GNGPJD]YNNW\GSX^GSCKHA[]@CCB\[@LATPD\L@J\\PF]VR[QPJN Date: Fri, 25 Jun 2004 19:47:19 GMT Path: nightfall.franklin.ch!pfaff2.ethz.ch!news-zh.switch.ch!switch.ch!news.ip-plus.net!newsfeed.ip-plus.net!news.tesion.net!news.belwue.de!newsfeed01.sul.t-online.de!newsfeed00.sul.t-online.de!t-online.de!border2.nntp.dca.giganews.com!border1.nntp.dca.giganews.com!nntp.giganews.com!news.glorb.com!prodigy.com!newsmst01a.news.prodigy.com!prodigy.com!postmaster.news.prodigy.com!newssvr25.news.prodigy.com.POSTED!e700f050!not-for-mail Xref: nightfall.franklin.ch alt.healing.reiki:17057 Well it's true. Massage is my excuse to actively channel Reiki several times a day, hands-on. When I'm approached for treatments or attunements, I explain Reiki is for spiritual healing and whatever may be the beneficial side effects of the body are whatever they will be. On Fri, 25 Jun 2004 16:41:33 GMT, gdwill@earthlink.net (Garry Williams) wrote: >On Fri, 25 Jun 2004 16:08:24 GMT, "Steven Buck, CMT" > wrote: > >>I just tell them "it's massage." >> >>};-) > > Steven, you are soooo wicked! I just hope ShadowWolf or any other >Floridians aren't reading this thread! > >Garry Steven Buck, CMT San Francisco, CA ###### X-Trace-PostClient-IP: 68.144.1.130 Message-ID: <40DCAE83.906BB52E@shaw.ca> From: Rich X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.79 [en]C-CCK-MCD telus.net_v5.0.1HS (Win98; U) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 Newsgroups: alt.healing.reiki Subject: Re: Reiki, self-responsibility, and practicality References: <4u4md01vo4uns1hnqumj7h2s99a9kur7b3@4ax.com> <1088106653.27631.0@spandrell.news.uk.clara.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Lines: 86 Date: Fri, 25 Jun 2004 23:01:52 GMT NNTP-Posting-Host: 24.71.223.147 X-Complaints-To: abuse@shaw.ca X-Trace: pd7tw2no 1088204512 24.71.223.147 (Fri, 25 Jun 2004 17:01:52 MDT) NNTP-Posting-Date: Fri, 25 Jun 2004 17:01:52 MDT Organization: Shaw Residential Internet Path: nightfall.franklin.ch!pfaff2.ethz.ch!news-zh.switch.ch!irazu.switch.ch!switch.ch!newsfeed00.sul.t-online.de!t-online.de!border2.nntp.dca.giganews.com!border1.nntp.dca.giganews.com!nntp.giganews.com!pd7cy2so!pd7cy1no!shaw.ca!pd7tw2no.POSTED!53ab2750!not-for-mail Xref: nightfall.franklin.ch alt.healing.reiki:17065 Hi Dan, Here's a little twist to the conversation and it may fall into your comments. Every week I spend part of a day sending distant Reiki to my four grown children. One of my daughters is going through the challenges of being a single parent and I especially think of her in my little sessions, like sending Reiki to her financial situation. Two days after my last session a couple weeks ago, I get a call from an old friend saying he has something to show me! And it is something my daughter sees as a light at the end of the tunnel. Reiki influenced? Or is Reiki relegated to the non-material, the spiritual, etc.? What exactly are the areas of influence with all this energy buzzing around? When I get away from the classroom and the speculation and theory, I am left in wonder and awe. I am beginning to actually watch for synchronicities. You see, I consider that the conversation called 'healing' could refer to someone having his/her material life situation alleviated, therefore stress reduced, therefore stronger immune system. But do we really pay attention to these sorts of things? Maybe Reiki helps clear the mind so we are more alert to the 'tap on the shoulder'? Does it put a damper on our prejudices? Hey, I was just re-examining these thoughts and this thread seemed to give me a poke, so thanks for that. Cheers Rich Phasedreality wrote: > > Hi montane! > > This is an interesting thread considering the recent posts about reiki > potentially having a negative effect on some people. So I will outline my > thoughts and feelings on the subject. Obviously this is very much my opinion > and I would never suggest that this is the only way to see things. I am just > as much 'on the path' as everyone else.. > > Anyway I think that for me, one of the fundamental aspects of reiki is that > UE has a 'sentience' that is separate from the practitioner. Not that the > person acting as a 'channel' has no influence, rather that reiki treatment > is a dynamic made up of the patient, the practitioner and UE. I think it is > important to make anyone I am treating aware of this before the session > begins, and explain that reiki is not simply a 'cure all' method. Just > because I am acting as a channel, does not mean that I am able to direct UE > to heal their bunion or make their cancer go away. > > As I understand it reiki acts on a much subtler level, and that the agenda's > and decisions made here do not always follow what we as physical > incarnations desire. If someone has pinned all their hope on reiki solving > their problems then I think it is important to let them know that their life > is part of a much bigger web, and that it is impossible for us to fully > comprehend the significance of this. What they perceive as a 'problem' might > actually be an important part of their development. Just to make that go > away will mean that they might miss out on a wonderful opportunity to learn > and grow. > > So, what is the point in giving or receiving reiki? Well I believe that UE > and reiki are not about 'healing' in the traditional western sense of the > word, rather that it is about facilitating peoples growth and development. > By working on a patients energetic system, they are being given the > opportunity to overcome their problems and develop themselves in a positive > way. However, the key word is 'opportunity' - i.e. it is a two way thing. As > a reiki practitioner I can only use UE to open the window of opportunity, > for the patient to get the most out of the treatment they must then take the > initiative after the treatment. If they just go back to their old ways then > any benefit that the UE has made will be short lived! > > Ok so that's probably quite a long winded way of explain it, and unless > someone showed a particular interest, I doubt I would go into much detail. > However, this is the basis for my understanding of what I am doing, and I > will always do my best to let a patient know this, and especially underline > the fact that the onus is on them to make use of the session, not me to just > heal them. > > Another thing I think that is vitally important, is to let a patient know > that they can, and should, talk about anything that comes up during the > session. I would never just finish up and kick them out without a second > glance as I know that sometimes you need time to express thoughts and > feelings or just time to get your head round the whole thing. Receiving > reiki can be a fairly life / mind altering experience, and as the focus of > that experience I have a duty to support and guide someone if they want or > require it. Reiki doesn't end when I take my hands away, in fact that is > often just the beginning.... > > I hope this helps.... > > Love & Light ###### From: montane Newsgroups: alt.healing.reiki Subject: Re: Reiki, self-responsibility, and practicality Date: Sat, 26 Jun 2004 11:51:35 -0700 Organization: http://extra.newsguy.com Lines: 20 Message-ID: References: <4u4md01vo4uns1hnqumj7h2s99a9kur7b3@4ax.com> <1088106653.27631.0@spandrell.news.uk.clara.net> <58emd095hm3gbl1svmtcr5set1vndah52q@4ax.com> <40DB53DA.674F155E@shaw.ca> NNTP-Posting-Host: p-574.newsdawg.com Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Newsreader: Forte Free Agent 1.93/32.576 English (American) Path: nightfall.franklin.ch!pfaff2.ethz.ch!news-zh.switch.ch!irazu.switch.ch!switch.ch!news.tele.dk!news.tele.dk!small.news.tele.dk!newsfeed.icl.net!logbridge.uoregon.edu!pln-w!spln!dex!extra.newsguy.com!newsp.newsguy.com!enews3 Xref: nightfall.franklin.ch alt.healing.reiki:17110 On Thu, 24 Jun 2004 22:22:42 GMT, Rich wrote: >Hi montane, >There is one other variable in the equation and I am certain you know >what it is. When I have given Reiki to someone who is stressed because >of 'being distanced' from family or friends due to old family war scars, >etc. I always mention that it would be a good idea to open the lines of >communication. I am not experienced enough to believe that Reiki makes >stuff like that just go away. >Cheers >Rich > Makes a lot of sense, Rich. Thanks for adding that. :-) Namaste, montane